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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Rassu322 on January 04, 2012, 08:13 pm

Title: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: Rassu322 on January 04, 2012, 08:13 pm

So as you can see on the last couple of pages of this - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3343.60

And the UK speeds thread on Shipping - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7060.0

And Hollands feedback seems to be a sea of refunds or waiting for refunds.

I personally sent him just over £60 on the 3rd/4th December, according to him the order got shipped on the 5th of December.

Now, does anybody have any idea what exactly happened? did he lose an entire shipment of orders or what? is he giving out 100% refunds to everyone? I'm a returning customer with impeccable buyer stats..

Now I'm sure something here has happened, Holland is imo the most stand up cannabis vendor for all of Europe on SilkRoad, which is why I havn't gotten too distressed by him ignoring and not replying to my last 3 messages and generally going a couple days at a time without signing in (which is a little odd) I'm sure he's going to come through in the end, in the mean time I have to make other arrangements I suppose...
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: jorg on January 04, 2012, 08:26 pm
I really wanted that Amnesia Haze ... Maybe he's on vacation ? Who knows ...
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: cm1234 on January 04, 2012, 08:58 pm
iv ordered twice off this guy, 1st time package came. wasnt the best concealed package iv seen and considering its being sent from netherlands he should be doing better. weed its self was ok, but there is better on sr. 2nd one never came, he was very,very slow to respond to messages and eventually after it went to resolution i accepted 75% refund. i got a bad vibe avout him from this and have never used him since.

im not convinced he is a scammer though. i thought his package was not the best. considering netherlands is a high risk  country in terms of mail containg drugs. it is well possible he is suffering from a high interception rate rather than scamming. if he puts the same made up return address on all his packages then it would be pretty easy for customs to identify them once they had found one.

in terms of the folks who have paid this vendor out of escrow, particularly large amounts - have you no common sense?! your almost ASKING to get ripped off doing it that way.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: Rassu322 on January 04, 2012, 09:27 pm
Well I've ordered once from Holland

got a 20g order and if I remember right I released funds early that time too

So when I got a 10g order, with the last one arriving in 4 days in the back of my head.. It seemed perfectly fine to release funds!
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: grahamgreene on January 05, 2012, 01:33 am
Hi folks, I hate to play Devil's advocate here but does anyone think there's a possibility that Holland's accounts have fallen into the hands of SumYunGai in a similar way that lotsalove's profile was accessed and he/she was locked out? Perhaps SYG sold some software or even hardware that disabled Holland's entire net access or shut him out completely somehow? I know it seems unlikely, and people will say "why didn't Holland just open up another account from a different computer to let us know?" which is a valid question, but given SYG's reputation I don't think it's entirely impossible.. Implausible, perhaps, but not impossible. Any thoughts?
(It's late where I am and I haven't slept in over 36 hours, so I might not be making sense here!!  :-\ )

lotsalove's thread on their experience is here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7515.msg73692#msg73692
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: cm1234 on January 05, 2012, 01:36 am
go to bed! ;)
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: chioro on January 05, 2012, 02:21 am
Over 5 weeks waiting for my package of 10g of Power Plant that was shipped on the 28th Nov to the UK.

As I've indicated in the other thread, I'm also fairly sure this is a hiccup of some sort. Perhaps a large batch got intercepted at one of the drop offs he uses, perhaps Customs on his end noticed a pattern in his packaging - who knows? Is everyone here with a problem from the UK or are we from various countries?

And as for him not being around for the last couple of days, that could be anything, including a brief holiday or personal life stuff that is taking up his time. For example, another seller (GreenGiant I think?) disappeared for a couple of days at one point last year due to a death in his family (which he explained on his profile page). It does happen. Or it could be that he has nothing to sell yet and wants to wait until he can update his listings again before he logs in.

Whatever the case, I'm not ready to call Holland a thief this quickly; you don't put the kind of effort he did into his sales, supply and shipping procedures to become one of the top 5 vendors on the entire site to suddenly turn tail and start scamming people, not when you have lots of cash coming in from regulars like he did, and it wasn't like he suddenly stopped logging in while packages weren't arriving. Others were updating their feedback to say theirs had arrived after all, too.

We'll have to wait and see what next week brings.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: boomtemple on January 05, 2012, 06:17 am
After a series of stalling messages, with no refund or reship, then for him to go silent, and issue dozens of refunds to the people smart enough to use escrow...  I'm ready to call him a scammer.

He's owes me, and surely a lot of others, and isn't bothering to respond to messages any more, has had ample opportunity to refund or reship, and is doing nothing to sort the mess.

This is clearly a global thermonuclear meltdown of a vendor who, once trusted, has now lost the plot.

Do NOT buy from them unless you feel philanthropic.  It's a gift, not a purchase.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: neckdanby on January 05, 2012, 06:45 am
I'm not sure what's happening either, but if this helps his case a little,
I ordered the PPlant mid Nov to UK, Dec nothing arrived, sent him a msg
few minutes later he asked me to wait a few days, no arrival.

Sent him a msg and he said he'd resend, 5 days later it turned up
perfect bud, perfect weight. Sent from Belgium like he said, so maybe
shipping from Belgium was a shitty idea.

Don't call him a scammer yet though, he came through on a Dec15th resend
and i was happy before x-mas.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on January 05, 2012, 07:13 am
Some valid reasons for not responding to messages and no apparent parcels received:-
- disappeared to take care of some emergency
- buggered off on holiday w/o putting a note on seller profile.
- got bust / in trouble with the law -probably have to be a very large amount, otherwise its likely you'd be released or spend a one-nighter....
- Tor PC temporarily crashed - again this can only go on for x amount of days, plenty of help around to fix..

Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: christopher on January 05, 2012, 08:02 am
I'm in this too, only 5g though, but it's £40 none-the-less. Sent on the 7th December.

He's always been quick to reply for me, he done me deals out of escrow (Stupid I know, but he's a top seller. For what it's worth I am always going to use escrow from now on). The only thing I can do now is wait for it to arrive, possibly by this Friday, possibly a resend/refund if Holland wishes.

I'm curious as to what is going on, and I personally don't think he's been hacked or "selective" scamming (only scamming those outside of Escrow), you don't get to top 5 sellers and then do that... The post service can be bad at times, even before Christmas. And who knows, maybe customs would have gotten onto it, but then we would have had letters by now, surely? (Good job I used a "fake" name)
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: jorg on January 05, 2012, 11:23 am
Why was he was last seen 3 days ago and his two listings disappeared ?
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: rocketdog on January 05, 2012, 12:24 pm
Tomorrow marks the fifth week I've been waiting on a shipment from the Netherlands. This vendor, not the one mentioned in this thread, no longer ships to the U.S.

I'm hoping that maybe my shipment got shuffled around during the holidays but I'm prepared to accept that maybe U.S. customs has it and this is why aakoven no  longer ships to the U.S.

Could the shipment mentioned by the OP of this thread have been delayed by all the mail activity during the holidays?
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: weed4fun on January 05, 2012, 01:18 pm
I've bought more than once from Holland and everything always went smooth as silk.
I did the last order (100 grams) before Christmas, direct payment out of escrow and it arrived safe and sound in less than a week (Belgium->EU).
I contacted him when it arrived asking if he would be around the last week of december or early january for another order.
he said yes, no problems, he would have been working also on new year's eve, probably going on holiday on january but he would bring is laptop for orders.

not sure if something happened now, last time  talked with him was, as I said, around Christmas.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: arutha on January 05, 2012, 01:44 pm
Woah, don't jump to calling Holland a scammer just yet! Clearly there is something going wrong, and it may well be that his usual shipping method has been discovered. But this guy has hundreds of successful transactions. I've personally had one successful from him when he first started here, and another not make it but we sorted it out.

Sure it is possible that he has now grabbed as much money as he wants and now disappeared, but also possible that its just a busy time and something has happened. It would suck to see such a good vendor disappear, but its also unfair to abuse him just yet. It sure looks like it is better to hold off and not make orders with him for a while at least though.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: checkthis on January 05, 2012, 03:23 pm
I'm waiting for nearly 3 weeks for my order. Mailed him 1 week ago and haven't got an answer yet. I don't know whats happening, but I hope Holland will clear this situation when he's back. I don't believe that he's scammer, because he was always considerate of well-being and satisfaction of his customers.
I think he planned to make more business and especially for a longer time than 3 Months. When you grow yourself in that dimensions, you have to work more than 3 Months until your equipment is amortized and you have earned so much, that this illegal and dangerous business get payed off...

But never say never...
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: Rassu322 on January 05, 2012, 04:23 pm
Taking his listings down is pretty logical guys! if he's dealing with this problem he doesn't need more potential problems piling up in the mean time.

Also he's real popular right? he could have like 20-30 messages per day so its somewhat understandable he can't start sorting them all out.

But I sure do hope I didn't release that £60 to him foolishly, like others have said he's got too much of a great rep here to screw it all up

And his reputation so far warrants some patience I think.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: Josh1987 on January 05, 2012, 06:35 pm
I'm also waiting since november 25th/26th (payed on november 24th) for my order of 10g Powerplant (Belgium->Germany). I also did a few orders at his "store" before (Netherlands->Germany), so i released my money early (like it's told in his description). =/

I don't think that he's just running away with the money or something like that, but it's not nice to get no answer. Ok, he didn't read my last message 3 days ago because he was not online for the last 3 days, but you can also write it in the description if youre going on vacation...

I also ordered 6g whitewidow last thursday at another vendor (France->Germany), and it was here just on monday, so i don't think my order of 10g Powerplant is "still on it's way".

But good to see i'm not alone with this problem...
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: nap on January 05, 2012, 07:38 pm
For those hoping for a refund out of escrow (released early or automaticaly released after 15 days), are you expecting a refund based on USD or on the number of BTC you paid? Considering the increase (x2) of bitcoin value within last month, Holland would still earn money by giving afull refund based on the price in USD.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: anarcho47 on January 05, 2012, 08:17 pm
Did he pull his listings down or did his account hit vacation mode becuase he was idle for more than 2 days?  When is his last seen?

Has he posted ANYTHING on the forums to indicate he's around to take care of you guys?

I don't recommend anybody attempt to do any business with him until this is all sorted out.  Play it smart and close to the chest.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: katie_bakie on January 05, 2012, 08:55 pm
Hi everyone - I am a longtime lurker of the forums (big thank you to all the posters who have helped my SR experience be a pleasant one) but thought I should sign up to add to this thread.

I am also waiting on an order from Holland from the powerplant sale. Initially it was marked in transit on Nov 23rd. 2 weeks earlier I have my first order with Holland which went smoothly and received in 48 hours. When I initially started chasing it in the first week of December I was told "" It was sent around 25th, bit of delay, office supplies a bit short at the time.

Should be with you soon,"

I decided to allow another week due to the christmas mail. By the end of this week I had received the reminder email from SR that the order was about to slip into autofinalise so I sent it to the resolution center. During in this time Holland had updated the powerplant sale listing to state that they decided to make changes in packing and posting and that a few sheets of order labels had been misplaced for a while. The same day Holland also added the bit to their profile about "Small time scammers" and removed Escrow. I thought the fairest suggestion was to extend it by a week which Holland (eventually) agreed to and they thanked me for the understanding.

During in the last 3 weeks it has just kept being extended by SR without any messages or alternative propositions from Holland. SR asked me to make a proposal of my own in case Holland was unresponsive which is when I came across the threads in the forum so I have initially requested full refund with an opening for Holland to make a suggestion of their own.

The deadline passed this morning and the orders currently under review in the resolution center. I will update you guys once SR is back in touch.

I know people get annoyed that people only come onto the forums when there is an issue so let me take this opportunity to recommend HashUK, Premium Dutch and Ivory all of which I have had happy repeat orders with  :)
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: jorg on January 05, 2012, 09:19 pm
I don't know... The last message he sent me was :

Ha, probably Amnesia, at a lower price.

Also Hash coming up!

I really hope he is coming back ! Who's up to make a riot and get him out of trouble if he is in trouble ? lol
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: checkthis on January 06, 2012, 11:22 pm
check out Holland's statement: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=8225.0 patient guys, I'm also still waiting for my order.
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: katie_bakie on January 07, 2012, 02:58 am
Thanks for the link checkthis.

Holland got in touch honoured their 50% refund and has offered to resend rest of loss when new PP in stock. A very fair resolution so I am a happy girl once more  :D

I was very happy with all aspects of my first order and respect the way he has dealt with it since coming back on the forums so look forward to using him again.

Plus I really dug the Power Plant!

Now I'm here I am going to do my best to contribute to the forums more…. I already broke my first new years resolution so I need a new one ha ha
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: sensesfailed on January 07, 2012, 02:22 pm
I've ordered from Holland 3 times before, 10g of powerplant to the UK, and all three times delivery was flawless.

That is why I'm happy with Holland still, after my 4th order made on the 27th of november has not arrived. It seems like most people posting in this thread made orders around the end of november to the start of december, so that must be the period in which things went wrong.

Will be asking for a resolution with Holland on sunday as that is when I'll be moving back to the house which it was shipped to and I can make one final check for the package (last time I checked was the 2nd of january).

Will update this post when I can tell you how the resolution went :)
Title: Re: Holland - What Is Happening?
Post by: AverageGatsby on January 09, 2012, 05:10 am
Wasn't it Holland that recently required all buyers to finalize early, thereby negating escrow?