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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: pine on July 15, 2012, 09:34 pm

Title: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 15, 2012, 09:34 pm
Are you Paralyzed by PGP?

There are clearly more people who should use PGP. Often the technology is offputting, and lots of people dilly dally, they know they should learn this stuff, but don't know how or else they procrastinate.

Fear not! Pine is here to help! (and fellow travelers! Guardian geeks of SR should join this thread to help newbs by stating: 'and my axe'...).

So this is how it works.

I will give you my public key [see my 2nd post in this thread below]. Then you guys will go and try to send me an encrypted message using my PGP public key. There are plenty of tutorials about here, on the security subforum and by googling also.

I will then reply to tell you whether you've succeeded, and also will send you an encrypted message if you give me your PGP public key. We can do this sending and receiving, encrypting and decrypting, as much as you like until you are PGP fluent.

The majority of you are probably windows users, so I suggest you locate and download GPG, this is the open source (read: free) version of PGP first thing and then hot foot it back here to send a message.

And then! And then when you know PGP, you will be cool! Really! The technical term is cyptroanarchist, which you have to admit will sound pretty fucking awesome on your business card.

So get going! Chop Chop!

--

Aside: Remember to teach at least 1 other person PGP once you've 'got it'. This is like Stalingrad comrade! Today's PGP aware SRers are like the lucky guy who actually got a rifle to work with, so do your fellow SR travelers a favor once you know and share the knowledge.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: H4L101 on July 15, 2012, 09:38 pm
This is such a great thing to do and using PGP is more important then people think +1 karma for helping people out :).
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 15, 2012, 09:40 pm
Are you Paralyzed by PGP?

There are clearly more people who should use PGP. Often the technology is offputting, and lots of people dilly dally, they know they should learn this stuff, but don't know how or else they procrastinate.

Fear not! Pine is here to help! (and fellow travelers! Guardian geeks of SR should join this thread to help newbs by stating: 'and my axe'...).

And my axe!  ;)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 15, 2012, 09:41 pm
Here we go chaps:

This is what you'll be using to message me.
You'll need to generate your own PGP key if you want me to message you.

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

mQGNBFADOKYBDADV/2Sube83ObzlrxXO0Cq7mL8+999Xeclm9CMGKiKrR19OMcDt
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BG5vhT4X+KT9wUwTMolwGTB/qae/5gL4U3MhN9WLCcoW+1zPxQigmzh4+EaNjw==
=FH7/
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
*
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: wanna-be on July 15, 2012, 09:58 pm
Pine, you are a godsend.  Not only is this good for the individual, but for the SR community as a whole.

How does one use PGP within TAILS?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 15, 2012, 10:13 pm
Here we go chaps:

This is what you'll be using to message me.
You'll need to generate your own PGP key if you want me to message you.

Mine is in my .sig.  i'll only clog up this thread with another post of my key if future newbies get too confused by that.

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 15, 2012, 10:22 pm
This is such a great thing to do and using PGP is more important then people think +1 karma for helping people out :).

And my axe!  ;)

Thanks comrades! :)

Also: this is the motivation for pine's 'le grand diabolical plot':

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=30937.msg347530#msg347530

Sooner or later we are going to have a war with LEO to test our respective mettle before anything else is decided. i.e. to establish our new domains in these newly minted territories. We are at a pivotal point in history similar to the first American civil war between George Washington and the British.

Just as World War II was decisively decided by Alan Turing hacking the Enigma Machine's codes, so too the information war, in terms of advertising our market and cryptographic education for our network will ultimately decide the balance of power.

The first causalities are almost certainly going to be non-PGP using consumers since local LE has never been overly fond of a challenge and goes whining to intelligence agencies at the least provocation ("dey r usin teh compooters, wat do compooter guise O_o"). So we have to cut them off at the foundation of the network by producing a robust, resilient consumer base to withstand any technological attacks that would have network wide effects. We have to be, in other words, 'whack-a-mole resistant', and using good encryption is going to be a big part of this Revolution.

I do believe a senator called us 'the most brazen thing seen in ages' or similar. You know what's fucking brazen? Acting like a giant rent seeking organization manipulating markets like the DEA do and asking the public to pay for it. They are parasites and they need to die. The DEA used to be, once a upon a time, about doing the right thing, which you could respect even if you didn't agree with their values. Now they are a business.

Cryptography is Freedom. It is kind of that simple.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 15, 2012, 10:52 pm
And my axe!  ;)

Thanks comrades! :)

Also: this is the motivation for pine's 'le grand diabolical plot':

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=30937.msg347530#msg347530

Fascinating post, though it reads like you're on a seriously large dose of the uppers of your choice.  ;)

By the way, did you have any problems with my message?  It was encrypted to you, me and the other person I mentioned in it.  If it does give you any grief, decrypt it on the command line with the "-v" flag included.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: ripmo on July 15, 2012, 11:19 pm
thank you very much for this! Sent you a pm.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: michaeljackson on July 15, 2012, 11:52 pm
Alright pine, let's see if you can get this. The message is too long to post, so I put it in a paste-bin. It's kinda big, but nothing a control-a can't handle. Let me know what you think

http://4eiruntyxxbgfv7o.onion/paste/show.php?id=f85ab5ff2c01420b&plaintext=1

My PGP key link is in my sig, reachable either through this forum or by email.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 16, 2012, 01:01 am
Pine, you are a godsend.  Not only is this good for the individual, but for the SR community as a whole.

How does one use PGP within TAILS?

In all honesty I've no idea specifically. I've never used TAILS you see. However if you are running a Live-CD/Live-USB style affair of any kind, then I think you've got two basic options:

1. Compile a version of Linux and add the PGP solution you want. You are going to have to do this every time you need to update the software though and it is Difficulty Level = Hard for most people. I wouldn't advise it.

2. Run your PGP solution from a USB drive. That is: you have a portable version of PGP (GPG works fine) installed to a flash drive and you run it from there. It won't be very fast (USB 2.0 at least for your memory stick) but you shouldn't experience any problems running that from a live-cd or another live-usb. You can do this in Liberte for example (albeit it's a pain if you want to get permissions to be honest, there's a little game you have to play to make it work properly, look at Maxim's notes on Liberte's website for details).

So there you have it: I would not use PGP _within_ TAILS, it's a pain to setup, I would use PGP ex-TAILS via usb stick or if that isn't possible, opt for using Liberte (possible permissions awkwardness here) or else approach the problem using virtual machines.

Though... Are you sure that TAILS doesn't already have PGP encryption software setup already? Seems like something it would have had by default I would have imagined? Maybe not a graphical interface, but surely a command line one?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 16, 2012, 01:27 am
Fascinating post, though it reads like you're on a seriously large dose of the uppers of your choice.  ;)

By the way, did you have any problems with my message?  It was encrypted to you, me and the other person I mentioned in it.  If it does give you any grief, decrypt it on the command line with the "-v" flag included.

Pine is high on life or possibly modafinil, coffee or chocolate at the moment. It is a toxic brew :O

Aha! That is a neat trick. I'm not sure, but I think the SpeakEasy forum (a proposed replacement for these ones) uses such ideas like these like shared encryption/group encryption, p2p and so on. I don't have the link, but it's on the OVDB subforum.

It is easy to imagine a hypothetical forum, where all the members are a little like RPG characters, they have levels, and the higher the level you are at, the more of the forum you are able to view. So, the buyers see the buyers forum level of encryption, the sellers see more, and the founders/staff see more and so forth. But it is not cleanly split into 3 groups as it is in SR to some extent, but at a more general level with encryption protecting each shell from the next one (but more like a complex Venn Diagram than concentric shells). The 'level' could be applied via how integrated you are into the network, so in order to convince the network you are legitimate, you actually have to be part of the network. i.e. an advanced web of trust system, except that we also ask for 'proof of work' as it were. I don't have all the answers, but I think it's a very interesting idea, sort of similar to onion routing, but infinitely layered. The deal is that everybody is protected from everybody, so that even the most prominent member of the network is unable to betray the entire communications of the system if he gets taken down.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Rockbob on July 16, 2012, 02:45 am
Ah ok... thx Guru, glad, that my Key aint older than my post in this thread. Now i only need to find some infos on how to generate a public one. Another task to go. :)

One Question: I guess u want to tell me, that i better delete the old key, shouldnt I? ^^

Greetz,
Rockbob :)

Edit:

Ok! Now with a new Key-Pair, hopefully the right Key in my .sig and a freshly encrypted Message.

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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Hope everything is fine now :)

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: michaeljackson on July 16, 2012, 03:38 am
Left this as a message to pine, but it's not exactly private and seems relevant to the subject at hand.

Well, I just did some math and it's just not worthy of the time it would take to do that (500,000 characters).

It's an mp3 music file ascii armored. I wanted to see if you had any problems decrypting it and whether it tells gpg the filename and extension if you just copy/pasted the text. Would it depend on the various front end one used for the encryption? I was thinking this could be a great way to securely hide (not necessarily transmit) a sensitive large file as a text message, like an encrypted AES volume, as backup to a physical disk (keeping the private key in a secure seperate location).

Do you know if it's possible for a third party to tell by looking at a pgp encrypted message what it could be or who it is intended for without the private key? I've done some reading and seem to be getting conflicting reports. Some say you can use the public keys encryption to deduce who the file is intended for, but I haven't seen any hard evidence that you can. I know leaked private keys can show a message is intended for you, but can anything else be known about the message without the passphrase if one possesses the private key?

I noticed a large inflation in filesize after the encryption though, so that's a drag. But nothing's perfect. Except my voice.

Regards,
The King of Pop

P.S - My pgp public key

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)

mQENBE+/is4BCAC19WPkzXfchGJk1Y7iCoGef/kScTTpe9nloyN+UAMYTUVvy0zM
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=FhZf
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 16, 2012, 05:10 am
It's an mp3 music file ascii armored. I wanted to see if you had any problems decrypting it and whether it tells gpg the filename and extension if you just copy/pasted the text.

When the cipher block is decrypted the output may include the original filename.  By default that data won't be displayed, but if the file is decrypted with the "-v" flag the information will be displayed.  The output filename when decrypting will be based on the name of the encrypted file, not the original filename.  It can also be overridden by the "-o" (or "--output") flag.

Do you know if it's possible for a third party to tell by looking at a pgp encrypted message what it could be or who it is intended for without the private key? I've done some reading and seem to be getting conflicting reports.

The short answer is yes, a third party can narrow down the recipients (or likely recipients) from a message that was encrypted using default settings/options and which they do not have the corresponding secret key for.

If this third party has the public keys of the recipients of the message in their keyring then GPG will identify that the message is encrypted to those keys.  If the third party only has one of the relevant public keys then GPG will identify that key and display the short key ID of the keys it cannot identify.  Those key IDs may be able to be used to locate the public keys that the third party did not have (such as from a keyserver).

It is, however, possible to conceal one, some or all of the recipients of a message using the "--hidden-recipient" (or "-R"), "hidden-encrypt-to" and/or "--throw-keyid" options.  I went into this in a little more detail (with examples) using "--throw-keyid" a couple of weeks ago:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=29235.0

These two pages of options in the GPG manual are worth checking when experimentig with concealing the recipients:

http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg-devel/GPG-Configuration-Options.html
http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg-devel/GPG-Key-related-Options.html

Oh, the message I left for Pine in this thread also used the "--throw-keyid" option, so you can have a look at that too.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: real pharmaceuticals on July 16, 2012, 11:33 am
Hello ,
I am setting up as trader ( mainly OC oxycontin at great prices)  , before i go ahead and set up i want to make sure that i fully understand every aspect of the process so i can provide a first class service. I am a newbie and this is the last thing i need to understand before i can open my SR shop. I am running TOR  on a mac , what soft ware would you recommend , its a bit daunting but i will get there . So if any one has any helpful advice on this matter please PM me.

Knd regards
RP
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Rockbob on July 16, 2012, 01:38 pm
Ah ok... thx Guru, glad, that my Key aint older than my post in this thread. Now i only need to find some infos on how to generate a public one. Another task to go. :)

One Question: I guess u want to tell me, that i better delete the old key, shouldnt I? ^^

Greetz,
Rockbob :)

Edit:

Ok! Now with a new Key-Pair, hopefully the right Key in my .sig and a freshly encrypted Message.  Hope everything is fine now :)

Looks good:

gpg --list-packets
:pubkey enc packet: version 3, algo 1, keyid BA665721A9E19F6E
        data: [3072 bits]
:pubkey enc packet: version 3, algo 1, keyid 502A8DF7797F5787
        data: [2047 bits]
:encrypted data packet:
        length: 485
        mdc_method: 2
gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit RSA key, ID 797F5787, created 2012-07-16
      "John Schmidt <Rockbob@tormail.org>"
gpg: encrypted with 3072-bit RSA key, ID A9E19F6E, created 2012-07-15
      "PGPClubRevolution (Welcome comrade!) <nosuchemail@nowhere.nada>"
gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available

Guru

Alright, thx Guru for your effort :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: cacoethes on July 16, 2012, 01:54 pm
"And my axe..."

And my PGP key below if anyone would like to practice on me to take some of the work load off Pine. :)  Send your encrypted messages to me via  SR forums pm system.

Here is another great little program for using GPG (PGP) on a Windows platform, it's called GPG4USB, and is a truly portable app:  http://gpg4usb.cpunk.de/

GPG simply does not get any easier than with this program.  The instructions are simple and clear, and the program itself wonderfully easy to use.  The only feature it really lacks is the ability to generate a revocation certificate.



-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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=Zyax
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: michaeljackson on July 16, 2012, 06:19 pm
Thanks for the info guys. That thread for --throw-keyid was pretty good Louis. Glad I now know I how to hide the recipient key for a message. And I can probably just use -c to remove the need to store a private key, so thanks Shannon.

I was thinking that disguising an already LUKS-encrypted volume as an acii-armored message with a symmetric gpg key could possibly provide plausible denyability where LE is concerned, since there'd be no way to prove what the message contains or whether the message was intended for you. Would this in conjunction with LUKS encryption pretty much make a hidden volume immune to any kind of analysis as long as the passphrases are secure and not written or saved anywhere?

I hear alot about TrueCrypt, but it kinda makes me nervous that Debian won't support it through apt-get, and I've read about forensic techniques that can show the presence of a TrueCrypt volume, which would throw plausible denyability out the window for UK peeps. Am I correct on this, or have I been mislead by the heat?

Hello ,
I am setting up as trader ( mainly OC oxycontin at great prices)  , before i go ahead and set up i want to make sure that i fully understand every aspect of the process so i can provide a first class service. I am a newbie and this is the last thing i need to understand before i can open my SR shop. I am running TOR  on a mac , what soft ware would you recommend , its a bit daunting but i will get there . So if any one has any helpful advice on this matter please PM me.

Knd regards
RP

There's a good thread on setting up PGP for mac OSX at

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=24380.0

If you want to give that a read
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 16, 2012, 07:54 pm
-- On conceptualizing Public Key Cryptography --

I will explain PGP encryption with a metaphorical riddle called "The Corrupt Russian Postal System".
I find that this helps me to conceptualize issues with PGP.

The Russian postal system is corrupt (definitely also in real life...), the rules are that any package
that can be opened, is opened and the contents removed. Any letters are thrown away.
Only locked strongboxes get through the postal system without being compromised.

Our friend, Boris shall we say, is deeply in love with his girlfriend Natasha. So, Boris purchases
Natasha a diamond ring he knows she will love!

However, we have a problem, because Boris lives in Moscow and Natasha lives in Vladivostok.
Boris must use the Russian postal system!

Although Boris can send Natasha a locked strongbox made of the best steel, it is worthless to do so if she cannot open the box herself. And if he sends the box open, or in something less secure than a locked steel box, it is going to be broken into! Quite a bind!

So... what to do?

Well, the steel strongbox has a metal hasp to each any number of padlocks may be attached.

Boris puts the diamond ring (our message!) into the strongbox and attaches his padlock to the hasp of the strongbox.

This padlock represents a PGP key.

He sends the locked box to Natasha. Poor Natasha cannot of course open the box. However, she and
Boris have discussed the issue over the telephone and she knows what to do.

Natasha attaches her own padlock (her PGP key) to the metal hasp of the still locked strongbox and returns it through the Russian Postal System to Boris.  Again, the padlock represents a PGP key.

Finally, Boris receives the strongbox and he takes *off* his padlock. This represents Boris's key being
decrypted. Now you see the shape of it. Boris sends back the box to Natasha, who can then remove her own padlock and rescue the diamond ring from the box! The Russian Postal System lies defeated by human ingenuity.

Breakdown:

The diamond ring is the message to be encrypted.
The padlocks represent full PGP keys, both private and public keys of Boris/Natasha.
The principal at work is that Boris does not *need* to have the real metal key of Natasha.
Similarly, Natasha does not *need* to know/have Boris's real metal key. (the private key part)

The knowledge that the padlocks are actually on the box, this is the public key part of the metaphor.

We need to know the public key of each other to communicate successfully. Two public keys are necessary
for two way encrypted communications.

We do not, under ANY circumstances need to know each other's private keys.

The Russian Postal System can examine our public keys for 1000 years or more, but they will never
be able to obtain Boris nor Natasha's private keys to open the box.

Similarly, the FBI and DEA can collect our PGP keys as much as they like, without knowing our private
keys they lose the vast majority of their possible surveillance powers. That's why we are happy to post
our public keys on SR. Anybody can use them to communicate to us (be warned!).

This is the reason why Roberts stipulates that PGP encryption is not done on SR's servers, but on our
own machines. It is the correct choice. But we MUST use PGP encryption to complete our side of the deal with SR.

P.S. I have an absolute flood of queries, I'll answer them ASAP, but please be patient. :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: tootiefruitie on July 16, 2012, 08:38 pm
A GUI (read: easier for newbs) method of using GPG within TAILS:

at the top of TAILS screen, go to system->preferences->passwords and encryption keys

within this screen select file->new->pgp key    select RSA and 4096 bit

after this key is created, you can select it under the tab "My Personal Keys"

right click and select export to export your public key. 
select it, click properties, details tab, then export to export a backup ofyour private key

to copy/paste your public key
right click the first file you exported, then select open with->gedit.  this will show you the text to copy

to import a public key, simply paste the text into gedit, then select all (ctrl+a) and click edit-> decrypt.  this same function will decrypt messages to you, after prompting you for your password.

to encrypt, select text in gedit, and click edit->encrypt

select who you wish to send it to, and select yourself for the signature.  (it is also not a bad idea to encrypt it to yourself also, if you want to be able to check it for mistakes later from a backup, etc)

this method lacks the higher level functionality of the command line method, but is easier for a less tech-savvy person, and provides most of the same protection (except for the ability to hide who the message is encrypted to, which most users don'tuse anyway)


Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Hippiehaven1234 on July 16, 2012, 10:02 pm
Sorry for clogging up the thread, just trying to wrap my head around this....


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=gsTD
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Guru, can you let me know if this works.



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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: wanna-be on July 16, 2012, 11:33 pm
Guru.  Thank you.  I got so excited when I read your post and it actually worked just as you described.  But there was an issue at the very end.  I can't seem to use a memory stick within TAILS.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Hippiehaven1234 on July 16, 2012, 11:36 pm
Pine, can you take a look...


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: mirrorcole12 on July 16, 2012, 11:42 pm
I just PM-ed Pine so I hope it works...
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: TurboSti on July 17, 2012, 12:46 am
I'm new here obviously so if I missed something please point me in the right direction but I'm using gpg4usb but when I try to decrypt someones key I get an error message that says "no data" I have my keys selected and I've even seen on the gpg website with their picture tutorials and I'm doing everything right except I get this message and can't get any further.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Hippiehaven1234 on July 17, 2012, 01:12 am
Turbo, you still here? You cant decript a key, only a message you are sent. I just got this figured out with using two computers and the whole process makes perfect sense. If you are able to provide your public key, I will send you a message to decript..
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 17, 2012, 03:47 am
I'm new here obviously so if I missed something please point me in the right direction but I'm using gpg4usb but when I try to decrypt someones key I get an error message that says "no data" I have my keys selected and I've even seen on the gpg website with their picture tutorials and I'm doing everything right except I get this message and can't get any further.

You don't decrypt someone's public key, you import it into your public keyring and encrypt messages or files to the public keys you have (including your own if you want to be able to decrypt it later).
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: TurboSti on July 17, 2012, 04:49 am
ok so I see now that I can copy and paste their public key when they post it and import it so i then have their address and Im assuming once they have my public key, that person or myself can send and receive encrypted messages? I hope I have this right.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 17, 2012, 05:30 am
ok so I see now that I can copy and paste their public key when they post it and import it so i then have their address and Im assuming once they have my public key, that person or myself can send and receive encrypted messages? I hope I have this right.

Yes, that's essentially correct.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: TurboSti on July 17, 2012, 05:37 am
Awesome! and lastly another dumb question (i apologize) but when I open up gpg4usb I dont see all my keys on the right hand side anymore and not sure how to get them to show up on there again.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: joemo024 on July 17, 2012, 07:07 am
Hey.. new here and trying to fully understand how encryption works. First question: when I encrypt messages with GPG  through text edit (MAC) it creates two different messages, they are identical but one is lowercase, one is in caps. Also when I decrypt the message it will show up twice. Is this normal? or what am I doing wrong to cause this?
Second Question: When I encrypt a message after i choose the recipients is it okay to leave the secret key blank and un check the two boxes? or is that necessary to complete the process?
Sorry for the newbie questions.. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thank You!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 17, 2012, 08:48 am
Thanks to cacoethes, Guru and Louis for helping out here :)

If I'm not posting directly on the thread, it's because I'm replying to people via PM.

I've been snowed under by requests, almost 20 people are now members of PGP Club in the last 24 hours, with more folk part way (completed encryption, but waiting on them to decrypt a message) and that number will only increase!

Don't forget folks, when you have confirmed you can encrypt/decrypt, it is time to help somebody else on SR do the same :)

If we keep this up until the end of the week, and each of you guys shows just 1 SR member 'the light', then we'll have > 200 fully paid up members of PGP Club in addition to those who were already default members.

--

To new potential PGPClub Converts:

Step 1: Believe!
Step 2: Download GPG or similar PGP software and make yourself a PGP key.
Step 3: Import pine's public key (my 2nd post in this thread). You do this by copy pasting my public key into a text file, call it pine.gpg or similar and then you import it into GPG.
Step 4: Send pine an encrypted message using my public key. Also send your own public key too.
Step 5: I will decrypt your message to me, and encrypt a message to you using your public key.
Step 6. If you're able to decrypt my message to you, then you're an official member of PGP Club! :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: randomOVDB#2 on July 17, 2012, 10:14 am
If you ran into specific problems, please post the name of your software and OS. It's easier to give you exact instructions that way.

Awesome! and lastly another dumb question (i apologize) but when I open up gpg4usb I dont see all my keys on the right hand side anymore and not sure how to get them to show up on there again.

Try right clicking on the gray area below "gpg4usb" (basically on any of the icons) and selecting "Encrypt for:"
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 17, 2012, 10:41 am
Hey.. new here and trying to fully understand how encryption works. First question: when I encrypt messages with GPG  through text edit (MAC) it creates two different messages, they are identical but one is lowercase, one is in caps. Also when I decrypt the message it will show up twice. Is this normal? or what am I doing wrong to cause this?

You're the third person I've seen on this forum reporting the duplicate output issue.  I'm not sure what the cause is, but it is probably worth taking up with the GPGTools team.

Second Question: When I encrypt a message after i choose the recipients is it okay to leave the secret key blank and un check the two boxes? or is that necessary to complete the process?

I don't use GPGTools, so I'm not sure what the screen you're looking at is supposed to do.  When encrypting a message you should only be using public keys.  The secret key is used to decrypt messages and to sign messages, but the GUI you're using might simply be displaying the fact that your key includes both the public and secret keys.

Sorry for the newbie questions.. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thank You!

Quite alright, that's what this thread is for.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: DrChong on July 17, 2012, 12:07 pm
Erm, I got as far as being able (I think) to send an encrypted message...but how do I decrypt the message? The guide wasn't very clear, and it doesn't seem that searching for an answer yields much. I'm using gpg4win...some step by step advice would be really helpful. What I'm doing now is copying the pgp encrypted message over to the clipboard and clicking "Decrypt", but all that's showing up is an error "Clipboard contained no valid encrypted data"....What gives! Am I supposed to decrypt the message using my private key? How do I do that?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: randomOVDB#2 on July 17, 2012, 12:22 pm
Erm, I got as far as being able (I think) to send an encrypted message...but how do I decrypt the message? The guide wasn't very clear, and it doesn't seem that searching for an answer yields much. I'm using gpg4win...some step by step advice would be really helpful. What I'm doing now is copying the pgp encrypted message over to the clipboard and clicking "Decrypt", but all that's showing up is an error "Clipboard contained no valid encrypted data"....What gives! Am I supposed to decrypt the message using my private key? How do I do that?

Your procedure is correct but it seems that the message was not encrypted with your GPG key and that's why the message "contained no valid encrypted data" appeared.

Test it again here (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=2757.msg350381#msg350381)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: TurboSti on July 17, 2012, 02:18 pm
right clicking in the grey area and selecting "encrypt for" worked perfectly! thank you so much
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: henrich414 on July 17, 2012, 02:44 pm
Here is my no-nonsense practical guide for PGP using Liberte Linux. If you don't use it, you really should imo.

This guide is intended for people who could care less about how it works, and want to utilise the security PGP offers and make their order asap.

1. Go to the vendor's page whom you want to order off and look for something like this:

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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2. Go to start menu (the computer icon in the bottom left hand corner) - accessories - gedit.

Copy and paste your vendors PGP key (like the one above) into the document.

File - Save As. Save it as "pgp key" or something.

Store it in "documents", which is under the places sidebar on the left.

Close gedit

3. Go to start menu - system tools - gpa

A pop up will say you do not have a private key yet - click "do it later" as this is not necessary

Click on keys - import keys - click on documents in the side bar and select "pgp key" or whatever you called it. Click Open - yes.

You should now see a listing for your vendor in the key manager - hopefully this will be the same or near enough to your vendors SR name.

4. Click on the clipboard icon and a window will pop up. Type your address exactly how you want it to say on the packet.

Select all text with your mouse  and click the "encrypt" icon.

Under public keys, select the username corresponding to your vendor. Do not bother with the sign/sign as bit. Click ok.

5. You should now see a load of jarbled text similar to the vendors key you copy and pasted into gedit. Copy and paste all of it into the order/checkout page where you put your address.


Hope this helps someone.


Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 751a696c24d97009 on July 17, 2012, 08:24 pm
I've been struggling with PGP lately, so thanks for this opportunity! I'd +1 if I could!

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 17, 2012, 10:38 pm
I've been struggling with PGP lately, so thanks for this opportunity! I'd +1 if I could!

Hello!

I decrypted your message, so you know how to use my public key to encrypt messages to me.

However, can you post your own public key here (the one above is mine)? Then I can send you a message for you to decrypt.

TIA

Pine

--

Two ancillary notes to everybody:

1. It doesn't matter if the Email field you use for your PGP key creation is junk e.g. blah@blah.blah
    However, it might matter if it is a real email address. Use Tormail or other Tor network message services
    exclusively when using the Email field feature of PGP. No Gmail, no Hotmail, and definitely no Hushmail or
    other web based email service pretending to help you out. Half of those are run by government agencies,
    seriously. Even with Tormail, always use PGP when sending emails with such services, for all you know it
    is run by the RBN or other organized hacker syndicates trawling for whales.
 
    For your business related PGP stuff, I think it *is* a good idea to use a real email address. Just ensure
    you use a service you setup/approached using Tor in the first place and never will login to on clearnet.
    Use PGP all the time with that account. Hence the Tormail recommendation.

2. When you're requested to give a name or user ID when setting up your PGP key for the first time, please
    tell me what your pseudonym/userID is. I am assuming your SR handle is similar to the one I see in a
    huge great giant list of PGP public keys on GPG's Key Manager. Otherwise I have to start hunting with
    grep to associate your SR handle to your PGP userID, which is a pain. I mean, you never have to use your
    new PGP key again once you know how to PGP, you can just setup a new one for the future.

Thanks!

Pine
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Mishrume on July 17, 2012, 11:33 pm
Are you Paralyzed by PGP?

There are clearly more people who should use PGP. Often the technology is offputting, and lots of people dilly dally, they know they should learn this stuff, but don't know how or else they procrastinate.

Fear not! Pine is here to help! (and fellow travelers! Guardian geeks of SR should join this thread to help newbs by stating: 'and my axe'...).

So this is how it works.

I will give you my public key [see my 2nd post in this thread below]. Then you guys will go and try to send me an encrypted message using my PGP public key. There are plenty of tutorials about here, on the security subforum and by googling also.

I will then reply to tell you whether you've succeeded, and also will send you an encrypted message if you give me your PGP public key. We can do this sending and receiving, encrypting and decrypting, as much as you like until you are PGP fluent.

The majority of you are probably windows users, so I suggest you locate and download GPG, this is the open source (read: free) version of PGP first thing and then hot foot it back here to send a message.

And then! And then when you know PGP, you will be cool! Really! The technical term is cyptroanarchist, which you have to admit will sound pretty fucking awesome on your business card.

So get going! Chop Chop!

--

Aside: Remember to teach at least 1 other person PGP once you've 'got it'. This is like Stalingrad comrade! Today's PGP aware SRers are like the lucky guy who actually got a rifle to work with, so do your fellow SR travelers a favor once you know and share the knowledge.

Deffo will be checking back here to learn pgpgpgpgpgpgpgp when i can keep my eyes open long enough! +1 to all involved for the tuts  8)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: TurboSti on July 17, 2012, 11:47 pm
Anyone want to help me test my pgp? Much appreciated.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: tea_drinker on July 18, 2012, 12:11 am
TurboSti:

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: tea_drinker on July 18, 2012, 12:14 am
Send me a message back?  8)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: TheBusiness on July 18, 2012, 12:21 am
Newest member of the club. Thanks for prompting my lazy ass, pine.

Will keep it off the forums though, and use for vendor comms only. (so far, so good!)

I suspect that some vendors are less likely to selectively scam you if you show the initiative for using PGP and therefore are more likely to be careful and thoughtful as you go. That's incentive enough for me.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: TurboSti on July 18, 2012, 12:37 am
For tea_drinker

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: tea_drinker on July 18, 2012, 02:07 am
TurboSti:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 751a696c24d97009 on July 18, 2012, 03:20 am
I've been struggling with PGP lately, so thanks for this opportunity! I'd +1 if I could!

Hello!

I decrypted your message, so you know how to use my public key to encrypt messages to me.

However, can you post your own public key here (the one above is mine)? Then I can send you a message for you to decrypt.

TIA

Pine

Thanks, I see my mistake now. I think when I copied your key, I forgot to copy mine and just pasted it assuming it was mine. Thanks for the help, I've sent you my public key in a message. I'll leave my mistake up instead of editing it so others can see what I did wrong.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: DrChong on July 18, 2012, 03:41 am
I've been struggling with PGP lately, so thanks for this opportunity! I'd +1 if I could!

Hello!

I decrypted your message, so you know how to use my public key to encrypt messages to me.

However, can you post your own public key here (the one above is mine)? Then I can send you a message for you to decrypt.

TIA

Pine

Thanks, I see my mistake now. I think when I copied your key, I forgot to copy mine and just pasted it assuming it was mine. Thanks for the help, I've sent you my public key in a message. I'll leave my mistake up instead of editing it so others can see what I did wrong.
This may have been the issue with me as well. Pine replied to my message, so clearly she was able to decrypt my own message...but I wasn't able to read hers. All I got was the "Clipboard contained no OpenPGP data" error when I tried to decrypt.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 18, 2012, 08:49 am
I've been struggling with PGP lately, so thanks for this opportunity! I'd +1 if I could!

Alright, how's this:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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b9s1
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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 18, 2012, 08:56 am
I've been struggling with PGP lately, so thanks for this opportunity! I'd +1 if I could!

I decrypted your message, so you know how to use my public key to encrypt messages to me.

However, can you post your own public key here (the one above is mine)? Then I can send you a message for you to decrypt.

I'm not sure if it was there during the first post, but
751a696c24d97009's key is now included in their signature (not posted
to the PGP keys thread) which is how I was able to respond with an
encrypted message.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 751a696c24d97009 on July 18, 2012, 06:35 pm
I'm not sure if it was there during the first post, but
751a696c24d97009's key is now included in their signature (not posted
to the PGP keys thread) which is how I was able to respond with an
encrypted message.

Should I post it to the PGP thread? I posted it on another site and put the link in my signature, I'm assuming it doesn't really matter where it's posted as long as people can see it, but please correct me if I'm mistaken. I also had no trouble decrypting your message.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Rockbob on July 18, 2012, 09:35 pm
Anyone want to practice (some more)? Need to get some more practice! I'm on for the next hour so dont be shy :D

Cheers,

Rockbob
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 19, 2012, 07:56 am
I'm not sure if it was there during the first post, but
751a696c24d97009's key is now included in their signature (not posted
to the PGP keys thread) which is how I was able to respond with an
encrypted message.

Should I post it to the PGP thread? I posted it on another site and put the link in my signature, I'm assuming it doesn't really matter where it's posted as long as people can see it, but please correct me if I'm mistaken. I also had no trouble decrypting your message.

It doesn't really matter where the public key is, as long as people can obtain it from somewhere.  My key, for example, can be obtained from the key thread on the forums and the public keyservers for which Indymedia have a Tor interface for.  The keyservers can, of course, be accessed by anyone on the clearnet as well so a lot of people on SR don't use them (especially if a UID on their key refers to SR).
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 19, 2012, 08:08 am
Anyone want to practice (some more)? Need to get some more practice! I'm on for the next hour so dont be shy :D

Cheers,

Rockbob

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Bungee54 on July 19, 2012, 09:09 am
Fascinating post, though it reads like you're on a seriously large dose of the uppers of your choice.  ;)

By the way, did you have any problems with my message?  It was encrypted to you, me and the other person I mentioned in it.  If it does give you any grief, decrypt it on the command line with the "-v" flag included.

Pine is high on life or possibly modafinil, coffee or chocolate at the moment. It is a toxic brew :O

Aha! That is a neat trick. I'm not sure, but I think the SpeakEasy forum (a proposed replacement for these ones) uses such ideas like these like shared encryption/group encryption, p2p and so on. I don't have the link, but it's on the OVDB subforum.

It is easy to imagine a hypothetical forum, where all the members are a little like RPG characters, they have levels, and the higher the level you are at, the more of the forum you are able to view. So, the buyers see the buyers forum level of encryption, the sellers see more, and the founders/staff see more and so forth. But it is not cleanly split into 3 groups as it is in SR to some extent, but at a more general level with encryption protecting each shell from the next one (but more like a complex Venn Diagram than concentric shells). The 'level' could be applied via how integrated you are into the network, so in order to convince the network you are legitimate, you actually have to be part of the network. i.e. an advanced web of trust system, except that we also ask for 'proof of work' as it were. I don't have all the answers, but I think it's a very interesting idea, sort of similar to onion routing, but infinitely layered. The deal is that everybody is protected from everybody, so that even the most prominent member of the network is unable to betray the entire communications of the system if he gets taken down.

I am dreaming of such stuff a while

I recommend reading "daemon" "freedom" by juarez

also check out Waste (darknet p2p encryption system)

I would be willing to spend a real shitload of money on such a system ..it very very much needed to secure liberty
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Rockbob on July 19, 2012, 09:12 am
Anyone want to practice (some more)? Need to get some more practice! I'm on for the next hour so dont be shy :D

Cheers,

Rockbob

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Bungee54 on July 19, 2012, 09:20 am
Here is my Public Key -.-

I like what you do pine !

Maybe I can learn tightening my sec-ops from you ! Thumbs up!

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)

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=Gunm
- -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Bungee54 on July 19, 2012, 09:55 am
And here is my encrypted message to you !


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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 19, 2012, 01:18 pm
Here is my Public Key -.-

I like what you do pine !

Maybe I can learn tightening my sec-ops from you ! Thumbs up!

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Bungee54 on July 19, 2012, 02:09 pm
 8)

LouisCyphre thannnk u!   iiis my Key so far encoded correctly and secure?  Ii mean with bits and subkey etc?


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: f1k4sDfsSfkLs987881 on July 19, 2012, 02:20 pm
Question:  Anyone know why everytime i install PGP and try to use it as soon as I load up the program a security measure pops up that says if i continue to use pgp the likelihood is that it was post my passphrases in messges? or something along those lines?? then it recommends me to uninstall and reinstall and just never works same problem everytime!!! :(  i use windows 7 and am medium-tech savvy by these standards so have no idea why not working, anyone had this problem int he PGP club? :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 19, 2012, 02:46 pm
8)

LouisCyphre thannnk u!   iiis my Key so far encoded correctly and secure?  Ii mean with bits and subkey etc?

Your key looks fine, it is the minimum necessary size: a 2048-bit RSA master and signing key with a 2048-bit RSA encryption subkey (the default for GPG).  The key supports AES256, AES192, AES128, CAST5 and Triple-DES ciphers (in that order), as well as SHA256, SHA-1, SHA384, SHA512 and SHA224 hashes (in that order).

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This message was only encrypted with your key which means only you can decrypt it.  If you intended me to read it then it needs to be encrypted with my public key as well as you're own.  There are URLs for my public key in my signature.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 19, 2012, 02:49 pm
Question:  Anyone know why everytime i install PGP and try to use it as soon as I load up the program a security measure pops up that says if i continue to use pgp the likelihood is that it was post my passphrases in messges? or something along those lines?? then it recommends me to uninstall and reinstall and just never works same problem everytime!!! :(  i use windows 7 and am medium-tech savvy by these standards so have no idea why not working, anyone had this problem int he PGP club? :)

I've never seen an error message like the one you describe.  Can you tell me which version of GPG you're using and what the exact error message is?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Bungee54 on July 19, 2012, 03:59 pm

Quote
This message was only encrypted with your key which means only you can decrypt it.  If you intended me to read it then it needs to be encrypted with my public key as well as you're own.  There are URLs for my public key in my signature.

Does it work now?

So I encrypt messages with ur public key so only you can read it..to verify you got it from me I also sign it through my private key correct?
Anything encrypted with my public key is only readable by me..

because i dont understand "as well as your own"...is this what i do when signing it correct?

if I got it now -> CLI here I come harharr

for LouisCyphre

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 19, 2012, 04:53 pm
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 19, 2012, 05:14 pm

I am dreaming of such stuff a while

I recommend reading "daemon" "freedom" by juarez

also check out Waste (darknet p2p encryption system)

I would be willing to spend a real shitload of money on such a system ..it very very much needed to secure liberty

Yes, absolutely. The advantage of such layered encryption is of course you can scale up enormously and securely, making it cost prohibitive for any organization to crack once it reaches a certain size.

As you'd imagine, the forum is already biased towards comp sci and other scientific/technical disciplines ranging from chemistry, electronics, engineering to economics (the 'Dark Arts' lol!). There isn't a skill that doesn't have a flip side on the black market.

There is a lot we can do, we've power collectively beyond even an intelligence agency if you were to consider all the little bits of information each of us possess plus the people we know. The question is organization. Which is also not a problem, because since half of us are the next generation in organized crime at its sharpest.

Some work has already been completed on a similarly advanced project:

http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/anonymousanon/sfp/forum.html

It's not something that I can suddenly down tools and run, it's simply too large for one person to complete and I'm far from having all the prerequisite skills, which would be true of nearly anybody.

Nonetheless, there's a lot of motivation for many here + we can throw money at the best experts in highly specialized fields (most of which wouldn't need to see the full system, it could be all compartmentalized operationally). I imagine it as a continual work in progress rather than a finished article.

Question for me, is how to start a cohesive plan i.e. get shit off the ground. Needs more thoughts.

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 19, 2012, 05:21 pm
And here is my encrypted message to you !

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 19, 2012, 05:25 pm
I'm assuming it doesn't really matter where it's posted as long as people can see it, but please correct me if I'm mistaken. I also had no trouble decrypting your message.

Nope, you can put it anywhere, especially in public places like a forum, print it on your t-shirt, your business card, tattoo on your body for extra credit at PGP Club Revolution! :)

So long as we can find it!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: real pharmaceuticals on July 19, 2012, 05:52 pm
hi there ,
I am looking to start up shop on SR and have been trying to get my head around this, I am completely lost and i am normally quite a techy person , hope its not a stupid question but whats the difference between pgp and gpg ? I running os x .
Kind regards
RP
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 19, 2012, 06:38 pm
Does it work now?

Yes.

So I encrypt messages with ur public key so only you can read it..to verify you got it from me I also sign it through my private key correct?
Anything encrypted with my public key is only readable by me..

That is correct.  The public key is used to encrypt a message which the owner of that key can then decrypt with the matching private key.  The private key is also used to sign messages and files, the signatures can then be verified with the relevant public key.

The signature on your message is fine:

Quote
gpg: Signature made Thu Jul 19 15:54:44 2012 UTC using RSA key ID AA63E46F
gpg: Good signature from "Bungee54 <bungee54@tormail.net>"
gpg: WARNING: Using untrusted key!
gpg: binary signature, digest algorithm SHA512

Don't worry about the warning line, that's expected behaviour since I have not signed your key or set trust levels for it.

because i dont understand "as well as your own"...is this what i do when signing it correct?

What I meant was that if you want to send an encrypted message to someone, but still be able to decrypt it yourself then you need to encrypt the message using both their public key and your public key.

In theory it is possibly to add lots of keys to a single message, but each key increases the size of the encrypted file.  Also it can make for a significant performance hit to your CPU when encrypting one file to lots of recipients.  Fortunately it is rare that people here will encrypt to more than two people (including themselves) at a time.

if I got it now -> CLI here I come harharr

There are definitely advantages to getting gradually used to using the command line.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 19, 2012, 07:13 pm
hi there ,
I am looking to start up shop on SR and have been trying to get my head around this, I am completely lost and i am normally quite a techy person , hope its not a stupid question but whats the difference between pgp and gpg ? I running os x .

PGP was the original program created by Phil Zimmermann in the early '90s and stands for the name of that program (Pretty Good Privacy).  In the late '90s the design of PGP was used as the basis for a new Internet protocol in RFC 2440 (now superceded by RFC 4880).  The protocol is called OpenPGP.  Also in the late '90s Werner Koch started the GNU Privacy Guard project, which is GPG.  Both PGP and GPG are implementations of OpenPGP.

PGP is a propietary program, first developed by Phil Zimmermann, then by PGP Inc. which was founded by Zimmermann and a small team he brought together.  In 1997 PGP Inc. was acquired by Network Associates (NAI).  In 2000 the US removed the export restrictions on cryptography and NAI stopped releasing the source code (which is how PGP got out to the world, but that's another story which I'm glossing over).  In 2001 NAI announced PGP and related assets were for sale and in early 2002 they stopped supporting it.  In late 2002 some ex-PGP Inc. members formed the PGP Corporation and purchased those assets from NAI.  In 2010 Symantec acquired PGP Corporation for #300 million.  Unlike NAI they release the source code for peer review, but the software is still proprietary.

GPG is a free software program under the GNU Project, developed in Germany by Werner Koch.  The source code is available and must remain so under the terms of the GPLv3.  Version 1.0 was released in 1999 and it has made steady improvements since then.  GPG contains no patented algorithms, unlike PGP, which is why IDEA was never included (although there is source code for IDEA which can be compiled in if people wish it).

For more detail, read these pages on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGP_Corporation
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 19, 2012, 07:15 pm
There is a lot we can do, we've power collectively beyond even an intelligence agency if you were to consider all the little bits of information each of us possess plus the people we know. The question is organization. Which is also not a problem, because since half of us are the next generation in organized crime at its sharpest.

Some work has already been completed on a similarly advanced project:

http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/anonymousanon/sfp/forum.html

Interesting idea, but why choose Java for it?  It's an ugly, horrible piece of shit of a language and, contrary to Sun's/Oracle's claims, is pretty bloody far from platform independent.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Rockbob on July 19, 2012, 07:35 pm
@ Pine

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cheerz
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 19, 2012, 09:05 pm
@ Pine

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 19, 2012, 09:23 pm
Interesting idea, but why choose Java for it?  It's an ugly, horrible piece of shit of a language and, contrary to Sun's/Oracle's claims, is pretty bloody far from platform independent.

Agreed, at least for this purpose. I'm not so worried about being platform independent as I am security and speed. Java is simply too inefficient, I mean, this is a piece of software that's going to be doing a helluva lot of CPU intensive cryptography, if it were possible it ought be written in assembly. In practice though, I'd like to see it written in something like lisp (piece by piece in an agile fashion, to get it off the ground quickly and iron out the logical bugs) and then translated and made more resource economical by a related working group into C over time which are back by a few versions. Might sound like doubling the effort, but there's a case to be made for an inefficient lisp working edition because you often want changes e.g. bug fixes to be rapidly incorporated into everybody's copy on the network ASAP and it makes sense from a 'two system' throwaway prototype development model too. Then while that's going on you have guys beavering away at making it more efficient in C until eventually it's ridiculously efficient and becomes the Gold Standard for lots of people to use, not just SR and related black market hidden services on the darknet, and that will give us yet more cover + feedback from a larger audience until the vast majority of serious bugs are found etc. Also, some important parts of the software should be written using rigorous methods like formal methods or something similar, so that we know the core of the system is literally proven to work.

Problem is getting enough of the right people with the right skillsets in one place at the same time for long enough to pull off a decent alpha version, and then continue for years with a smaller agile team. It is possible, I mean if Linus can use the Internet to create an entire operating system, this should be simple. Of course Linus didn't have to worry about the FBI putting a dent in the front door, but there are similar constraints.

In other news, I must complete a little project that I've been meaning to get around to for some time... Watch this space folks!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Rockbob on July 19, 2012, 09:25 pm
@ Pine

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Monster666 on July 19, 2012, 11:05 pm
Gotta try...

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 20, 2012, 12:00 am
Gotta try...

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Hello!

Yes, that works great, I was able to decrypt your message, so you know how to download, import and encrypt a message using somebody's public key. 50% of way there comrade!

There are two outstanding related issues to make it better though:

1. Give me your public key so that I may send you an encrypted message using your public key (then you will have completed what I'm calling 'The PGP handshake', thus making you a crypto-anarchist effective immediately).

2. In other for me to verify your signed PGP message (signing a message and encrypting it are two different but related things), I need your public key also. Secondly, you typically won't sign a message before somebody has sent your their public key.

So: A PGP signature is where you use your private key (part of your PGP key) to sign a message to a recipient. The recipient can then double check that you, and only you, are the person who previously sent him or her messages.

Talking of 'checks'...

The reason behind all of this is demonstrated by the following metaphor:

If I, pine, am a bank manager, I see many cheques pass before my table. Sometimes, a cashier will hand me a cheque that she feels is a little suspect due to the demeanor or appearance of the client handing it in. For example, maybe the signature on the cheque is peculiar.

If the cheque is for a withdrawal from a bank account that has recently opened such that there has been no previous history of cheque based withdrawals, then there is nothing I can do about it, the cheque is accepted as valid (stretching the truth here a little, but only to make a point).

However, the owner of this particular cheque and its signature has frequently paid for items with his cheque. So, I go to my filing cabinet and extract another cheque that our bank previously received on behalf of the cheque's owner.

I then place the two cheques before me, and use a magnifying glass to compare the suspect cheque's signature to the signature of the older cheque that I am sure is valid. If they are a match, great. Otherwise, the suspect cheque is rejected.

--

The cheque represents the PGP encrypted message.

That the PGP message is a signed one represents the signature on a cheque.

That the bank manger required a previous cheque signature on an older cheque represents that I require
you to have sent an (unsigned) encrypted message to me beforehand which includes your public key.

Finally, that the two cheque signatures may not match up represents the PGP verification process you can do with a PGP signed encrypted message to ensure that the sender of the message is the same person you communicated with beforehand.

As metaphors go, it's not quite perfect, but you see the parallels.

HTH

Pine
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 20, 2012, 01:11 am
PGP is really good. I'm not just saying that to hype my thread (not that pine obviously has a problem with that :D), but because in practice every time we've had occurrences of the FBI/DEA trying to break it, they have failed).

You could think: well, of course they 'failed', because that's what The Man wants you to think! Which would be a fair thing to say, except that that misses 3 vital indicators by a country mile.

1. We, ah, kinda would know by now, because it's not just the FBI or DEA that sets up honeypots to obtain information. And you can be fairly sure that they are not the only entities that use informants either.

2. The fact of the matter is that carders and child pornographers on the Tor network also use encryption, so if PGP encryption was weak enough to be broken, it wouldn't explain why their operations have been running for literally decades. Very realpolitick as Kissinger would say.

3. The number of people with the kind of technical and mathematical background to produce results are very few in number and they mainly work for the secret secret police, not the secret police. Only a single digit number of nations must have this kind of brainpower at their disposal. There is ferocious competition between such entities to obtain good intelligence. If one of them had the power to break PGP easily, then the others would quickly catch on, because they are constantly scouring the radio waves, signals of electric and light and every other form of communication for such evidence. They have highly sophisticated computer models for giving them these intuitions. If an important encryption protocol is broken, and then this information is utilized, the intelligence services will be drawn to it like a shark to a stream of blood.

This implies two things.

3.1 If the intelligence services break PGP, then the very next thing they will do is STFU and destroy any evidence that they have achieved this. They certainly won't be sharing such information with the FBI or DEA, because those organizations resemble sieves as far as secrecy is concerned. They simply would be unable to prevent themselves from using that technology, so they will never obtain it if it exists. The information is simply way too valuable to be expended on such petty things as national crime, when it could be the deciding factor in a war, in fact giving away such secrets would be an existential threat to the power of the state itself and thus extremely unpatriotic.

3.2 If a way to break PGP is found and shared beyond a select number of people, the inter-state competition for intelligence will rapidly discover the existence of the exploit. It would be also worth billions of dollars to organized crime, since PGP is used for communications by, between and for financial institutions and any corporation in the planet of any significance. This means, that if the FBI or DEA manage to obtain such an exploit, then we will find out, very, very quickly indeed.

I know that LEO frequently pretend their human network of informants has received information (so that when you read the court transcripts, you think that a person has betrayed an organization or somebody for example). So maybe they would pretend they didn't use the exploit...? However, in this case it would simply be discovered and there would never be a trial, the person or organization would be secretly executed, the risk to national security would simply be too great. Then the intelligence services would go all the way to the top and liquidate all the officers involved that possibly knew about the use of a special exploit.

That is the price you would have to pay. The ramifications of breaking PGP and the exploit becoming leaky would be on the level of Alan Turing breaking the Enigma Machine (ultimately leading to Allied victory in WWII), only it would effect everybody more directly. Seriously, nobody with mettle in a LEO could possibly be this stupid no matter how emotionally involved they were. We're talking about implicitly winding up turning your org into a defacto terrorist organization in their State and a Pinata for every other State, corporate or criminal operation there is , it would end them completely. It'd be a shit storm of such epic proportions that Y2K would look like a candle vs The Bomb, the operation at the LEO building would probably have hours before a couple of passenger jets flew in the window or black ops body bagged the lot of them.

tldr; If SR is compromised due to PGP exploit, then the silver lining is that the Drug War ends immediately afterward but you'll be busy the next day in a queue of people doing a run on all the banks.

So, you know, we're cool.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 20, 2012, 01:31 am
But if that's not enough for you, then there's two things you can do:

1. Use PGP encryption to create shell PGP encryption, this is easy to do conceptually if you know PGP, but confusing.

Introducing our guests, Alice and Bob.

1.1 Alice and Bob send each other their public keys.
1.2 Alice and Bob verify all communications from here on out by using signed PGP messages.
1.3 After the first signed PGP handshake is accomplished, they exchange new PGP messages
      that contain entirely new public keys for Alice and Bob.
1.4 They then have two options.
1.4.1 They can repeat this action over set time periods e.g. once per month/week to stall any brute force attack
1.4.2 They can use One Time Only public keys. Simply, they use new public keys for every single communication either of them makes period. Every encrypted message also contains a public key for the next message. This is as close to impregnable as I know how. It means that any attacker can never rely on previous information obtained. The only realistic methods of attack are side channel (keylogging etc) or a PGP exploit, see above for details. This is like a "come at me with your quantum computer, bro" operation. It's also a pain in the ass to manage all those PGP keys, but I guess you could write software to do it on the fly seamlessly and correctly each time (hint).

2. Or you could simply exchange symmetric keys via PGP signed messages. Symmetric encryption can be orders of magnitude more powerful than PGP at less computationally cost. We're talking encryption it could take centuries or millennia to crack with brute force here. The disadvantage is that you cannot possibly give out those keys to anybody, they are always secret, there is no public key with symmetric encryption. But... by using the strengths of public key crypto, you can use PGP to share the secret keys and thus obtain super strong encryption with ease.

-- Paranoid Pine



Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 20, 2012, 04:25 am
This is for Louis Cyphre...

And my brief reply:

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 20, 2012, 04:55 am
Interesting idea, but why choose Java for it?  It's an ugly, horrible piece of shit of a language and, contrary to Sun's/Oracle's claims, is pretty bloody far from platform independent.

Agreed, at least for this purpose. I'm not so worried about being platform independent as I am security and speed. Java is simply too inefficient, I mean, this is a piece of software that's going to be doing a helluva lot of CPU intensive cryptography, if it were possible it ought be written in assembly.

Exactly.  The problem with using Assembly is the changes needed for every chipset.  Far too much effort and there's already languages one level higher to cover that.

In practice though, I'd like to see it written in something like lisp (piece by piece in an agile fashion, to get it off the ground quickly and iron out the logical bugs) and then translated and made more resource economical by a related working group into C over time which are back by a few versions.

I was thinking something similar, except what popped into my head was rapid development in Python and then optimisation of relevant components in C.  Mind you, I've got nothing against Lisp either (how could I considering I'm typing this in Emacs).

Python has one other advantage with being able to happily work with numerous other languages.  If the project is designed in a modular fashion it is good for tying that all together.

Might sound like doubling the effort,

Not really, it's a solid development method.

but there's a case to be made for an inefficient lisp working edition because you often want changes e.g. bug fixes to be rapidly incorporated into everybody's copy on the network ASAP and it makes sense from a 'two system' throwaway prototype development model too. Then while that's going on you have guys beavering away at making it more efficient in C until eventually it's ridiculously efficient and becomes the Gold Standard for lots of people to use, not just SR and related black market hidden services on the darknet, and that will give us yet more cover + feedback from a larger audience until the vast majority of serious bugs are found etc. Also, some important parts of the software should be written using rigorous methods like formal methods or something similar, so that we know the core of the system is literally proven to work.

Yep, that all makes perfect sense.

Problem is getting enough of the right people with the right skillsets in one place at the same time for long enough to pull off a decent alpha version, and then continue for years with a smaller agile team. It is possible, I mean if Linus can use the Internet to create an entire operating system, this should be simple. Of course Linus didn't have to worry about the FBI putting a dent in the front door, but there are similar constraints.

The trick here is to find a case for making such a project publicly.  Identify all the requirements that a darknet black market site has and then identify a situation in which those same requirements would be needed that would not result in being hunted by the FBI, DEA or whoever.

Essentially you're looking for a situation where people need robust anonymous and secure communications.  So go through a list of human rights situations and pick one.  A good example would be designing a system to allow the people of Mexico to communicate freely with each other without being identified and killed by the cartels.  I know that some groups (including parts of Anonymous and others) have already been looking into doing something in relation to Mexico.  Another good example would be something that could be deployed by dissidents in China.  It should't take long to find plenty more use case scenarios.

The real bonus is that if such a system can be developed then it really can help both the selfish goal of facilitating black markets and the altruistic goals of furthering human rights and protecting lives.  I've got to say that while I like the former, the latter would be nothing short of pure awesome.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 20, 2012, 05:08 am
Gotta try...

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Hash: SHA1

- -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

When signing a message this isn't the best way to do it.  You either want to:

1) Sign the message (gpg -o signedmsg.txt --clearsign message.txt) and then encrypt that (gpg -ea -r $RECIPIENT signedmsg.txt).

2) Sign and encrypt the message simultaneously (gpg -sea -r $RECIPIENT message.txt).

Both of these prevent the nested PGP headers (and the "- " adjustment made when GPG performs an additional operation on an OpenPGP block).  The second one is the sign and encrypt option used by most GUIs and is usually the best option, but it prevents hiding the origin of a message.  The first option is ideal if you do not want anyone to see that you sent the message.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Red Flag on July 20, 2012, 05:12 am
Are you Paralyzed by PGP?

There are clearly more people who should use PGP. Often the technology is offputting, and lots of people dilly dally, they know they should learn this stuff, but don't know how or else they procrastinate.

Fear not! Pine is here to help! (and fellow travelers! Guardian geeks of SR should join this thread to help newbs by stating: 'and my axe'...).

So this is how it works.

I will give you my public key [see my 2nd post in this thread below]. Then you guys will go and try to send me an encrypted message using my PGP public key. There are plenty of tutorials about here, on the security subforum and by googling also.

I will then reply to tell you whether you've succeeded, and also will send you an encrypted message if you give me your PGP public key. We can do this sending and receiving, encrypting and decrypting, as much as you like until you are PGP fluent.

The majority of you are probably windows users, so I suggest you locate and download GPG, this is the open source (read: free) version of PGP first thing and then hot foot it back here to send a message.

And then! And then when you know PGP, you will be cool! Really! The technical term is cyptroanarchist, which you have to admit will sound pretty fucking awesome on your business card.

So get going! Chop Chop!

--

Aside: Remember to teach at least 1 other person PGP once you've 'got it'. This is like Stalingrad comrade! Today's PGP aware SRers are like the lucky guy who actually got a rifle to work with, so do your fellow SR travelers a favor once you know and share the knowledge.

Yes! Just joined the club! This is the 3rd best day of my life!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 20, 2012, 05:33 am
2. Or you could simply exchange symmetric keys via PGP signed messages. Symmetric encryption can be orders of magnitude more powerful than PGP at less computationally cost. We're talking encryption it could take centuries or millennia to crack with brute force here. The disadvantage is that you cannot possibly give out those keys to anybody, they are always secret, there is no public key with symmetric encryption. But... by using the strengths of public key crypto, you can use PGP to share the secret keys and thus obtain super strong encryption with ease.

Regular OpenPGP messages are symmetrically encrypted already.  Using symmetric encryption is not normally recommended for this type of situation.

A little primer on OpenPGP messages: when a message is encrypted with someone's public key what actually happens is that the message is encrypted with a symmetric cipher (e.g. AES256) and a single use passphrase.  That passphrase is then encrypted with the recipient's public key using the relevant asymmetric cipher for that key (either RSA or Elgamal).  When the message is received the single use passphrase portion is decrypted with the recipient's private key and the the single use passphrase is used to decrypt the symmetrically encrypted message.

This is why PGP and GPG can withstand a situation where a third party cracks a single message.  Even if one or more messages are intercepted and decrypted, the asymmetric keys are still safe.

The only thing using symmetric encryption here would do is reintroduce the problem of how to share the secret of the passphrase for the symmetrically encrypted message.  This is precisely the problem which public key cryptography in general, and the Diffie-Hellman key exchange in particular, was designed to solve.

To confirm the above, it is possible with any message that is encrypted to your key to see the session key for that message by including the "--show-session-key" flag when decrypting the message.  You could then, if you wished, provide that message and session key to someone not in possession of any of the public keys to which a message was encrypted and they could use the session key to decrypt that single message with the "--override-session-key" flag.  They could not, however, decrypt other messages encrypted with the same public keys as the message they had the session key for.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Bungee54 on July 20, 2012, 09:06 am
to Pine and LuisCyphre

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 20, 2012, 09:44 am
to Pine and LuisCyphre

And my response:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: f1k4sDfsSfkLs987881 on July 20, 2012, 11:25 am
Pine and Guru are Champions. That is all.
+Karma to you both :)   Thanks

I sure could use some karma too :D
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: polygamuz on July 21, 2012, 07:49 am
Hi guys. I just encrypted / created a GPG file.  Some random message and my key is given in the file.

What is my next step?  I know Pine's key, but how does Pine actually download my file?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 07:55 am
Hi guys. I just encrypted / created a GPG file.  Some random message and my key is given in the file.

What is my next step?  I know Pine's key, but how does Pine actually download my file?

You post the file to her directly or post it here to be collected.  You should also post your public key so that Pine and others can encrypt messages to you.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: polygamuz on July 21, 2012, 08:16 am
Hi guys. I just encrypted / created a GPG file.  Some random message and my key is given in the file.

What is my next step?  I know Pine's key, but how does Pine actually download my file?

You post the file to her directly or post it here to be collected.  You should also post your public key so that Pine and others can encrypt messages to you.

How do I post a file to her directory?
How do I post a file on here?

thank you for help by the way. Here is my key.

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 08:36 am
Hi guys. I just encrypted / created a GPG file.  Some random message and my key is given in the file.

What is my next step?  I know Pine's key, but how does Pine actually download my file?

You post the file to her directly or post it here to be collected.  You should also post your public key so that Pine and others can encrypt messages to you.

How do I post a file to her directory?

You post it as an ASCII-armoured message (.asc) instead of a file (.gpg) and send it to her via PM.

How do I post a file on here?

You don't upload a file, just messages with encrypted files or messages posted as ASCII-armoured cipher blocks.

thank you for help by the way. Here is my key.

Here is an example of a message encrypted to your key:

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=6WTF
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: dreamrgurl1 on July 21, 2012, 09:03 am
can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong? I was doing fine with Kleopatra and PGP and then all of a sudden when I encrypt it is basically just jibberish, not letters,numbers, etc. like I have sent in the past..
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 09:48 am
can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong? I was doing fine with Kleopatra and PGP and then all of a sudden when I encrypt it is basically just jibberish, not letters,numbers, etc. like I have sent in the past..

We'd need more information to be sure, but it could be that you're encrypting to a GPG binary file (.gpg) instead of an ASCII-armoured file (.asc).  ASCII-armoured files are used to produce an output which can be trasmitted in a format normally used for plain text (e.g. email, forum posts, etc.).
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 21, 2012, 10:18 am
can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong? I was doing fine with Kleopatra and PGP and then all of a sudden when I encrypt it is basically just jibberish, not letters,numbers, etc. like I have sent in the past..
You need to tick the box that says Armor.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 21, 2012, 10:27 am
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

And my axe!



-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

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=cl3j
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

I'm gonna play along with this one. I'm by no means an expert on this, but I studied it a bit and I really like the technology. So it will be a nice opportunity to practice and learn a bit more.

Here's my key, created just for GPG club (it's set to expire in 1 month)

Edit @August 20th: Key is expired.

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

mQENBFAKee0BCACbotaznHetXgXziVbc7ZcRinqMBtScPJFufm6Abx/RJ1N145uI
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5maFQQTst3JlfqHZ8/4i06QEOZQI7m/nyh7kiPdnajNp19sLOQdl6o9MFco=
=QwTF
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----


Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 10:42 am
I'm gonna play along with this one. I'm by no means an expert on this, but I studied it a bit and I really like the technology. So it will be a nice opportunity to practice and learn a bit more.

Here's my key, created just for GPG club (it's set to expire in 1 month)

Cool.  Although with luck this thread will be an ongoing thing and pick up new users as well as the current ones.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 12:41 pm
Let's assume that the server is compromised by DEA and each message can be viewed and stored for a long time (why using encryption otherwise?)

Now let's suggest that DEA is not retarded and, having intercepted the letter, assumes that it came from SR. Knowing what is inside, i.e. the weight of the drug, its quantity etc, it looks on SR for the vendor who sells the same. Then, knowing address written on the letter, it attempts to encrypt it with the vendor's public key - the simplest form of attack (for more detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen-plaintext_attack) Looking at the encrypted messages intercepted earlier, it attempts to compare the encrypted by them message with the stored ones. If the only address was encrypted and sent, then bingo! They tracked you back to your SR account. All that they have to do is to sit and wait till you order anything else.

tl;dr: adding a random string to the plain text messages that could be guessed easily is always good.

That won't work.  The encrypted output, even when encrypting to the same key or keys, is never the same.  Even when cutting the public keys out of the equation and using symmetric encryption only on the same data with the same passphrase two (or more) different times won't produce identical output.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 21, 2012, 01:40 pm
Cool.  Although with luck this thread will be an ongoing thing and pick up new users as well as the current ones.
Definitely. I hope so too.

I just made it as a test key for GPG club. Maybe I didn't use the best security settings/strongest password, etc. So I set the expiration date to a month, so if I ever want to receive sensitive information, people will not accidentally use my test key for that purpose.

Also, I'm kinda curious what will happen after that month.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 21, 2012, 02:00 pm

That won't work.  The encrypted output, even when encrypting to the same key or keys, is never the same.


The encrypted output depends on the same data, if the person didn't change the address. You often get different results encrypting the same message with the same public key twice?

Interesting question. Let's do a little test.

I created this fake address

Quote
Mr Privacy
42th Cypher road
Encryptopolis, GPG 13371

Now I'm going to encrypt it 3 times with Pine's public key. He can verify that it's the same piece of text.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

hQGMA7pmVyGp4Z9uAQwAjZZpOknbwNB6QGqr8Iq3GxknHDnCD9kGbw4Mp5z0+EGd
xsmCaDiZ/ivwkBJ3QVI+u/ShEUbGJQCgJurivDRi+Zf3IC+MBjtqkibYvpb3/Q4D
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YfazaJXHqzSXbBNggQzMtSShAgHsbkg+oJzIx5WUkAA8A/lpH91e+2blDRV8M934
WDo/0dmeqCaIAuuU3hrs0nsBfaOa8ihwefOo/FhbLcSyXVPfvKjHtey60Kcg8qXx
A+XcebhA+/u1ynbnVXAOniUCiwiLUVQ236DLYazNds+fnuMXHahKWW4ECG2Mrx1s
24jbyObLS6XH1ODv1pbvIwz+mYRlnLY2MNDlkvJ0WdBB8n5TmqcOcSyv7SA=
=m/wk
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

hQGMA7pmVyGp4Z9uAQv/cEDchM/65oOx9RIirNjUfGUsMgP1xBpCPJKfmPKkuV2K
T3SkAZjq024di3JrtqVxbCKQbXnLqizu4ILVZKxd7ySFds55YdDXokNcfTCSQS3M
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x/90Yept4OZFIwqbS7LP+IDAG9E9qBsXg+dvjXG40dhI1PGVh3VU2E5LgMg=
=mQcj
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

hQGMA7pmVyGp4Z9uAQv/TyedE8EH1ZmfeUyFipjuXgEWrbVxhOskgVuCy2qofCsO
qiFS7/pnnc4EYv2Hyp0VrV2m/qyXfsm3BflWqqQkqgnDXMBQ6/jZMv1Gfep3EtM2
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T1WkEV62/YN0d8Oi56j5omD8DlxsoxT2OsP14Utsa8SopG0Y2xBiHsEsi0c=
=psBe
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

It looks like it's different all 3 times. This is with standard settings. So that would mean that you do not need to add random information to your message.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 02:39 pm

That won't work.  The encrypted output, even when encrypting to the same key or keys, is never the same.


The encrypted output depends on the same data, if the person didn't change the address. You often get different results encrypting the same message with the same public key twice?

Not "often" *always*.

I've described what happens when encrypting a message with an OpenPGP public key elsewhere in this thread.[1]  Every message is symmetrically encrypted with a session key unique to that message.  If that wasn't enough, using the symmetric encryption on its own with matching session keys will not produce the same output twice because of the other processes (including compression and hashing) performed on the data prior to encryption.

At the very least you should read the Wikipedia article on PGP to get an overview of what happens.[2]


1) http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=30938.msg357951#msg357951
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 02:44 pm
Cool.  Although with luck this thread will be an ongoing thing and pick up new users as well as the current ones.
Definitely. I hope so too.

I just made it as a test key for GPG club. Maybe I didn't use the best security settings/strongest password, etc. So I set the expiration date to a month, so if I ever want to receive sensitive information, people will not accidentally use my test key for that purpose.

Also, I'm kinda curious what will happen after that month.

Fair enough.  Excellent start on debunking one fear there too.  :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 05:26 pm
Not "often" *always*.

I've described what happens when encrypting a message with an OpenPGP public key elsewhere in this thread.

Ok, thanks for useful information.

By the way, why is the length of all of the three messages the same: 807 characters
Will it change when anyone just adds one more character?

That appears to be a function of the symmetric cipher used and yes, in my tests of encrypting symmetrically adding one more character of white space changed the size of the output file.

And wouldn't it be possible to make the attack based on the length of the message when one encrypted the plain address and compared the number of characters of the encrypted and stored messages?

It depends on whether the size of the ciphertext relates to the size of the plaintext.  This may be difficult to judge since OpenPGP compresses the plaintext prior to encryption and larger messages utilise compression more effectively.

Adding one character of whitespace added 4 bytes to the ciphertext, adding the letter "A" did the same thing, but adding the trademark symbol added 8 bytes to the ciphertext.  So even if the ciphertext size directly relates to the size of the plaintext, there's still no way to know if the original plaintext contains specific information.  In the case of an address, there are plenty of addresses which would be the same size when entered into a file, all it takes is the same number of digits in a street number and the same number of letters in a street name and already you have a large number of addresses in your own suburb which would have the same size of a plaintext file.

If you are concerned that law enforcement might try to use an argument along these lines to "prove" that an encrypted file contains your address, then get a cryptanalyst as your expert witness.

Most OpenPGP messages are encrypted using AES as the symmetric cipher and AES is not vulnerable to the known-plaintext attack[1] you describe.  It was very effective against Enigma,[2] but not against modern ciphers.

At the very least you should read the Wikipedia article on PGP to get an overview of what happens.

I would prefer this one:

http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/hac/

If you're reading that or Bruce Schneier's Applied Cryptography then I'm surprised you're not already familiar with Diffie-Hellman key exchange and how OpenPGP actually works.


1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known-plaintext_attack
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 21, 2012, 07:43 pm
All the tree texts I encrypted do seem to have exactly the same length. So the exact length of the message could be a hint toward it's contents.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 07:55 pm
If you are concerned that law enforcement might try to use an argument along these lines to "prove" that an encrypted file contains your address, then get a cryptanalyst as your expert witness.

Not that using it as an evidence in the court. Rather to gather some intelligence.

Ok, let me be DEA for a minute ;)

Say, I intercepted the letter with drugs coming to eJ3k1. Now I found out that namely pine was selling a kilo of coke on Silk Road and nobody else. I read the address on the letter

Mr Privacy
42th Cypher road
Encryptopolis, GPG 13371

and encrypt it using pine's public key:

gpg -a --output encryptedbyDEA --encrypt --recipient nosuchemail@nowhere.nada address && wc -m encryptedbyDEA

It gives me 803 characters in the file. Now I wc -m the encryptedbyeJ3k1 message, intercepted earlier:

...

and see that it is 807 characters length. Remembering what you told me:

"Adding one character of whitespace added 4 bytes to the ciphertext"

I could assume that it was a whitespace in the end or beginning of the address. Now I found out that, likely, eJ3k1 bought a kilo of coke on SR from pine, what helps me narrow in on evidence later.

Ah, but you cannot guarantee that the address wasn't for:

Ms Private
6969 Crypto road
Encryptopolis, PGP 31337

Unless the encrypted address that you intercepted earlier was also encrypted with the buyer's key (which is easily hidden[1]) or signed with the buyer's key (which would be stupid to do with an address), you've got something that is extremely circumstantial and you can't prove diddly squat.

If you've already intercepted a shipment then you've got the buyer and there's no point wasting effort on something which really won't stand up in court.  If you've compromised the vendor's account in order to intercept the messages or compromised their computer then you've got them dead to rights and you don't need to do any of this because you either already have or can get the decrypted data, as well as seeing the account of the buyer (if the order is active when LE have their interception in place).

Plus, you can't assume that an extra character is whitespace, adding a character to my alternate address with a different suburb above could make it:

Mrs X Bondage
666 Hades St.
Encryptopolis, PGP 31337

There you go, same city and suburb as my first example, still different from your example, but a different person and address.  Once again, assumptions based on the size of ciphertext are unlikely to be valid.  Especially if the message has been encrypted with one or more hidden keys since you won't know for sure which keys they are unless you have the right keys available to decrypt with.


1) http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=29235.0
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 21, 2012, 09:42 pm

Say, I intercepted the letter with drugs coming to eJ3k1. Now I found out that namely pine was selling a kilo of coke on Silk Road and nobody else. I read the address on the letter

[...]

I could assume that it was a whitespace in the end or beginning of the address. Now I found out that, likely, eJ3k1 bought a kilo of coke on SR from pine, what helps me narrow in on evidence later.
We are talking a worst case scenario here. A big shipment with my name on it is intercepted, AND there is a huge breach in TOR security which enables LE to view the communication between vendor and buyer. Then and only then, the length of the encrypted message provides a very vague link between the online transaction and the package. It doesn't prove anything. Heck, even if it were cleartext, it wouldn't prove anything because they can't be sure the addressee of the package ordered it to his address.

I'd say it's not an issue. In the scenario you described, it's already pretty clear who ordered from whom. So the hint doesn't help anyone and for evidence in a courtroom, it's worthless.

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: and on July 21, 2012, 10:46 pm
I am using OSX and have GPGTools installed. Most guides seem to be for Windows or Linux. Are there any walk-throughs on how to use GPGTools? I have played around a bit and have followed the quickstart guide, but I really have no idea how to use PGP.

I can create a key and I have enabled the services to allow GPGTools to be used via the text editor. I copy/paste pine's public key into the text editor. Now what? I have the following options: decrypt, encrypt, import key from selection, insert my fingerprint, insert my key, sign selection, verify signature of selection.

Edit: PGPClubRevolution public key has been stored in the Keychain Access. Thanks for the welcome.

Now, I open up the text editor and type a message. I select all and choose encrypt. PGPClub is selected as a recipient. I also select my Secret Key (is this correct?) and receive the following:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

hQGMA7pmVyGp4Z9uAQwArFyY9uBpNYv1B7r8niSiAXf9AoBGe/p+4FqQ2pEo+AkB
HJoyWrOL7mTybUWqiT5glYirhV8mpd8GrOFI9zwsw8yml/w79cNjmdE5qBL1cMjQ
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=RSuC
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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=RSuC
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

Is this working?







Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 11:21 pm
I am using OSX and have GPGTools installed. Most guides seem to be for Windows or Linux. Are there any walk-throughs on how to use GPGTools? I have played around a bit and have followed the quickstart guide, but I really have no idea how to use PGP.

This video has been recommended for new users of GPGTools:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXm0dtYFxZk

I got bored about 3 minutes in, but I've been doing this for a while.  Nothing I saw in it to that point was wrong, but it does generalise a bit.  Which means it probably is good for new users.  ;)

This book is also worth reading through:

http://ocrlwkklxt3ud64u.onion/files/1340929812.pdf

I can create a key and I have enabled the services to allow GPGTools to be used via the text editor. I copy/paste pine's public key into the text editor. Now what? I have the following options: decrypt, encrypt, import key from selection, insert my fingerprint, insert my key, sign selection, verify signature of selection.

Edit: PGPClubRevolution public key has been stored in the Keychain Access. Thanks for the welcome.

Looks like you worked that part out pretty well.  :)

Now, I open up the text editor and type a message. I select all and choose encrypt. PGPClub is selected as a recipient. I also select my Secret Key (is this correct?)

Your key will always be listed as the secret key because you have both parts.  When you select it for encrypting, GPG will only use the public part.  When you select it for decrypting or signing, GPG will then use the secret part.

That said, the message you encrypted was only encrypted with Pine's key.

and receive the following:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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mnx7HnVKq5KNfZW1UGxOFn8+o2AKhYzSdV6Y0mCOCA==
=RSuC
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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=RSuC
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

Is this working?

Yes.  There's an issue with some installations of GPGTools where message output or key output is displayed twice.  At least two or three others have reported the same thing.  When this occurs just delete one of them.

To test your own key, post it here and one (or more) of us will encrypt a message to it.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Krn1RkmNJ02 on July 21, 2012, 11:51 pm
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

Success?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: and on July 21, 2012, 11:53 pm
Thanks for the reply, LouisCyphre. This is all a little over my head, but I'm getting closer, I think.

I believe this is my public key:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 22, 2012, 12:17 am
Thanks for the reply, LouisCyphre. This is all a little over my head, but I'm getting closer, I think.

I believe this is my public key:

Yes, that is the public key.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Dieluted on July 22, 2012, 12:23 am
Hey guys, thank you all so much for the help. This thread has been invaluable in my process today to make myself, and the people I work with, safe. Sent Pine a PM with an encrypted message, waiting for his reply! Just need to make sure I can decrypt now.

@Louis - I added your public key (the first link in your sig). Would you mind sending me an encrypted message? I'd like a little practice decrypting, now that I have Linux/GPA/etc etc figured out.

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-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 22, 2012, 01:02 am
Hey guys, thank you all so much for the help. This thread has been invaluable in my process today to make myself, and the people I work with, safe. Sent Pine a PM with an encrypted message, waiting for his reply! Just need to make sure I can decrypt now.

@Louis - I added your public key (the first link in your sig). Would you mind sending me an encrypted message? I'd like a little practice decrypting, now that I have Linux/GPA/etc etc figured out.

Sure.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: joepinko on July 22, 2012, 01:16 am
I have both a linux box (running mint) and a mac... is one easier then the other to use PGP? I need to just sit down and spend an hour or two totally figuring out. I am very good with computers, I have no idea why I have so much trouble with this one.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: and on July 22, 2012, 01:27 am
Yes, that is the public key.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 22, 2012, 01:34 am
I have both a linux box (running mint) and a mac... is one easier then the other to use PGP? I need to just sit down and spend an hour or two totally figuring out. I am very good with computers, I have no idea why I have so much trouble with this one.

It depends, if you choose to learn the command line options it makes no difference.  If you want a GUI then it depends on which Linux GUI you go with as compared to GPGTools.

I suggest you read this: http://ocrlwkklxt3ud64u.onion/files/1340929812.pdf

Then play with it on both the Mac and Linux.  It won't be wasted time.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: and on July 22, 2012, 01:36 am
@Dieluted

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Dieluted on July 22, 2012, 01:48 am
I was able to Decrypt Louis' fine. When I tried yours and, i got nothing. I used your key from a couple posts up.

@ LC


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 22, 2012, 01:51 am
For And:

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: and on July 22, 2012, 02:06 am
I was able to Decrypt Louis' fine. When I tried yours and, i got nothing. I used your key from a couple posts up.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 22, 2012, 02:32 am
I was able to Decrypt Louis' fine. When I tried yours and, i got nothing. I used your key from a couple posts up.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Dieluted on July 22, 2012, 04:07 am
@and


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Thanks for your help guys! I think I'm finally cool enough to be in the PGP club, but I'll let Pine/LC make that call :D
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: smokeweed420 on July 22, 2012, 04:58 am
Im so bad with computers. i wish i could get a PGP.  :-[ i have been here for 10 months and cant understand it at all. hell i could barely update the tor browser bundle.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Chapman on July 22, 2012, 07:42 am
Serious kudos for taking so much time to help people with this.
After an hour or three of tinkering I think I have it figured out, so you'll have another message to sift through soon.
^.^
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 22, 2012, 01:30 pm
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Done! I decrypted Pine's message so I'm in the PGP club :-) Life is good.

My public key is on the bottom of page 7 of this topic, so if anybody wants to do some encrypted chit-chat or practice some more, feel free to contact me.


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

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-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: randomOVDB#2 on July 22, 2012, 02:53 pm
Im so bad with computers. i wish i could get a PGP.  :-[ i have been here for 10 months and cant understand it at all. hell i could barely update the tor browser bundle.

http://x35jfacrznhhtrfr.onion/tutorials/pgp/windows/
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=131.200
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: random0 on July 22, 2012, 04:38 pm
Is it possible to export the private key without it’s public key? Can someone get the public key from it’s private key?

Can someone extract (crack, bruteforce) the password from a private key? Am I still relatively safe if the password was complex enough?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 22, 2012, 11:09 pm
Is it possible to export the private key without it’s public key? Can someone get the public key from it’s private key?
No. The whole point of GPG is that it's impossible to extract the private key from the public key, and vice versa.


Can someone extract (crack, bruteforce) the password from a private key? Am I still relatively safe if the password was complex enough?
Yes - as far as I know - you would still be pretty safe. (I'd like to get an expert's opinion on this one.) Either way, it's better to keep your private key private.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: random0 on July 23, 2012, 12:35 am
Is it possible to export the private key without it’s public key? Can someone get the public key from it’s private key?

I asked this because when I used GPG4usb to export my private key, it exported the public key as well to the same file, so there was a private key block, and a public key block in there, and I wasn't aware of that.

But even if I only import  the private key block, it still imports the public key as well. Tried to import from clipboard and from a file but the same thing happened.

Is this a bug or is the public key embedded into the private key block?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 20DollarBILL on July 23, 2012, 03:38 am
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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 04:12 am
The trick here is to find a case for making such a project publicly.  Identify all the requirements that a darknet black market site has and then identify a situation in which those same requirements would be needed that would not result in being hunted by the FBI, DEA or whoever.

Essentially you're looking for a situation where people need robust anonymous and secure communications.  So go through a list of human rights situations and pick one.  A good example would be designing a system to allow the people of Mexico to communicate freely with each other without being identified and killed by the cartels.  I know that some groups (including parts of Anonymous and others) have already been looking into doing something in relation to Mexico.  Another good example would be something that could be deployed by dissidents in China.  It should't take long to find plenty more use case scenarios.

The real bonus is that if such a system can be developed then it really can help both the selfish goal of facilitating black markets and the altruistic goals of furthering human rights and protecting lives.  I've got to say that while I like the former, the latter would be nothing short of pure awesome.

Made a note to look into Python etc at some point. If you are developing software in parts and from far afield, then interoperability is going to become an issue.

Yes, I had a similar discussion with another fellow and we came to similar conclusions also. That in the long term, it is better to adopt a cat's paw approach to developing such a system, and of course it ultimately does make the world a freer place, not just for free trade either as you rightly point out.

The initial investment of time/energy/money however, I am convinced has to come from ourselves, we can't just simply wait to things to come along. To use the old hack sailing metaphor, it's all very well to be blown by the wind, but you have to also take the initiative and set your sails in order to influence outcomes. I am so busy myself, I simply cannot envisage a time inside of a year when I'll have enough opportunity, but it has to be done nonetheless. Maybe if SR had a prize, like the X-Prize, then the best hackers and vendors could auction for achieving results in software. I mean, we spend a great deal of time trying to obtain money and security, but we also have to look at the bigger picture if everything is ultimately going to pay off in the end. It's a classic problem of short-termism that afflicts myself and many others.

Separate from security, I think education is also a serious problem in the new darknet markets. I mean, I know I don't know as much as I should, and I know a helluva lot more than most people about tech through self learning. That's why over the years I glided through ups and downs while the competition repeatedly bit the dust. But that kind of 'tacit education' needs to be more rigorous and defined. I see a legitimate need for black market colleges in other words. Here you would learn anonymity principals, economic theory, communication protocols, the essential foundation that produces specific skills like packaging product correctly in a cleanroom like environment, monitoring the postal system, creating honeytraps for LE agents, laying down multiple false trails and so forth. Very similar in fact, to the logical thinking of intelligence field operatives, but with an economic dimension that they lack.

People with degrees/diplomas from such an online college, could offer such papers (like digital certs) as legitimate proof of competence. To infiltrate the network, LE agents would now have to get to that level, which they are most definitely not used to doing, it's a huge investment for them, they have to educate themselves twice over instead of learning on the job.

As it is even now, every drug dealer in America has the potential to now become the black market equivalent of the FBI by sharpening his skills on the darknet to learn competitive advantages like anonymity, laundering best practices, public key cryptography for secret communications . This means that your average police officer must eventually get to the next level as well if there is even to be a hypothetical possibility of disturbing the network. It's literally as defining, as when our ancestors learned to become literate during the industrial revolution. I believe it's possible for the government to attack one central node, but they cannot defeat the network, we'll simply move or create a new hidden service until the day a system like SpeakEasy makes that irrelevant. In the long long term, I believe that means seeing a two phase economy in the world, a black and a white market, but with a defined social contract between the two. The Black Market is on the rise in the West, and I see no possible way to stop it, it is the logical result of excessive taxation and petty regulation while the East and even Africa sprints ahead in terms of overall growth due to the lack of baggage. I mean, the Black Market is literally the economic policy of many States in the emerging markets. China and Nigeria to name just two. Most people in the West misunderstand that completely.

I mean, all this current jazz, bitcoin, tor, all that is going to be for the birds inside of a decade or two, there will be new technology in the future that surpasses the level at which we're at today. Probably we will eventually create that technology. There will be real requirement for sophistication far beyond what is expected of us today. As for Topix and mainstream drug distribution networks, I believe they will eventually go the way of the dinosaur. SR has shown there is an enormous competitive advantage to the darknet economy because of the possibility of creating contracts, rules, expected standards of behavior for the entire market. This changes everything. This network, not tor or bitcoin, but ourselves, is going to set a standard for decades to come, things will never be the same.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 04:19 am
Yes! Just joined the club! This is the 3rd best day of my life!

Welcome comrade!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 04:24 am
Regular OpenPGP messages are symmetrically encrypted already.  Using symmetric encryption is not normally recommended for this type of situation.

A little primer on OpenPGP messages:

....

Thanks for the primer, don't fully grasp it yet, so I'm keeping a 'Louis' file for this post and a few other things you've said. I promise to reread them over and over until they are grasped completely :)

Onwards & upwards!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 04:45 am
to Pine and LuisCyphre


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 04:47 am
Pine and Guru are Champions. That is all.
+Karma to you both :)   Thanks

I sure could use some karma too :D

Of course! And don't forget Mr Cyphre too! ;-)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 05:01 am

That won't work.  The encrypted output, even when encrypting to the same key or keys, is never the same.


The encrypted output depends on the same data, if the person didn't change the address. You often get different results encrypting the same message with the same public key twice?

Interesting question. Let's do a little test.

I created this fake address

Quote
Mr Privacy
42th Cypher road
Encryptopolis, GPG 13371

Now I'm going to encrypt it 3 times with Pine's public key. He can verify that it's the same piece of text.

Yes, I can confirm it is the same information in each encrypted message.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 05:50 am

Is this working?

It would appear that the wife of the one who murders sea kittens has obtained some fancy foot ware.

So it worked!

You can now encrypt messages with PGP, well done! But can you decrypt them, hmmmm? Send me your public key and we'll find out. Then when you've completed the PGP handshake, you can join our elite club! :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 07:01 pm
Success?

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 07:11 pm
Im so bad with computers. i wish i could get a PGP.  :-[ i have been here for 10 months and cant understand it at all. hell i could barely update the tor browser bundle.

You only need to ask for help mammal!

Step 1. Download GPG. (GUI version for your fav OS)
Step 2. Find the GPA (this is a key manager).
Step 3. Find my PGP key (2nd post in this thread)
Step 4. Copy paste my public key into a text file.
Step 5. Import that public key into the GPA.
Step 6. Use GPA's clipboard to send me a message encrypted with my public key.

Step 7. Use GPA to create your own PGP key.
Step 8. Copy paste your public key and PM it to me.
Step 9. I will reply with an encrypted message for you to decrypt using GPA.

Step 10. You will then be a member of our elite club :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 23, 2012, 07:25 pm
Is it possible to export the private key without it’s public key?

Yes. You can do this to back-up your private keys for example. But remember to keep secret keys secret!
Don't be uploading them to any 3rd party service or similar.

Can someone get the public key from it’s private key?

I'm not certain, I don't think it is. But it is impossible to obtain a private key from a public key, which is the pivotal thing, since you're handing out your public key everywhere.

Can someone extract (crack, bruteforce) the password from a private key?

Perhaps not 'from' the private key per se, but somebody can try to brute force your passphrase if they have your private key so they can impersonate yourself. So, make sure it's a nice long complex password you can remember easily (slightly non-trival exercise there).

Am I still relatively safe if the password was complex enough?

Yes, absolutely. My password wouldn't be broken for many trillions of years with current computer power.

However, side channel attacks are possible such as key logging. You can use a virtual keyboard to dodge
most types of keyloggers and there are other defensive techniques too. Ideally however, you won't need
to use such measures because if a keylogger is installed on your machine it means that your anonymity has
already been broken. So, the first level of defense is always strong anonymity measures, like not yapping
about the game last night or the latest pizza you ate at a particular restaurant in a specific city and so forth.

But even if I only import  the private key block, it still imports the public key as well. Tried to import from clipboard and from a file but the same thing happened.

Is this a bug or is the public key embedded into the private key block?

I don't think so. You just exported your PGP key. Your PGP key is both your secret and public keys together, that is all. You could export only your private key probably if you hunt down the correct settings on the GUI or used the command line correctly.

Your public key and private key blocks are not embedded into each other, they are separate pieces of information. If it still bothers you that your public key is being exported with your private key, then just get rid of it. But there's no reason to do that, and if you want to import your PGP key to a new type of PGP software you're going to need both of them anyway.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Orinoko Flow on July 23, 2012, 07:52 pm
Can you help me please ?  This is my public key i think? Then i just add the sellers public key to my list and im good to go?  ;D

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32)

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=ShqY
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 23, 2012, 08:18 pm
Yes sir, that is your public key. (Well I assume it's yours. The name says "Drake", so if you typed that, it's yours.

Here is a message I encrypted for you.
- Copy/paste it in a notepad file,
- save it as ej3k1.txt.asc (you can choose any file name)
- Import it in GPA/Kleopatra and select decrypt
- Type your passphrase and it should create a file in the same folder: ej3k1.txt (This is the message that you can read)


- My key is on the bottom of page 7 if you want to write something back to me.



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Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

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Jhj4ow==
=akxa
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Dieluted on July 23, 2012, 09:15 pm
I've spent almost as long trying to figure out how to +karma Pine/LouisC as I spent figuring out PGP. Karma must be harder though, because I eventually did figure out PGP...

Thanks again guys, you both were fantastic help.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 23, 2012, 10:19 pm
I've spent almost as long trying to figure out how to +karma Pine/LouisC as I spent figuring out PGP. Karma must be harder though, because I eventually did figure out PGP...

Thanks again guys, you both were fantastic help.
You need 100 posts to +/- karma someone's ass.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: random0 on July 23, 2012, 11:30 pm
You could export only your private key probably if you hunt down the correct settings on the GUI or used the command line correctly.

Your public key and private key blocks are not embedded into each other, they are separate pieces of information. If it still bothers you that your public key is being exported with your private key, then just get rid of it.

I was hunting in the official PGP guide here
www.symantec.com/business/support/resources/sites/BUSINESS/content/live/DOCUMENTATION/3000/DOC3733/en_US/pgpCommandLine_952_usersguide_en.pdf

Quote
The command --export exports only public keys, while the command
--export-key-pair exports private keys.

Couldn't find* any options to export the private key, without the public key.

*GnupG seems to work differently, but I cannot try it now.

Quote
--export, --export-secret-key
(cannot export an entire key
pair at once, requires two
operations)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 24, 2012, 12:02 am
Can someone get the public key from it’s private key?

I'm not certain, I don't think it is.
pine you're wrong

Yes, it certainly seems that I am, thank-you :)

It seems you ought to be able to generate your public key from simply having your private key (although there's probably no point in exclusively exporting private keys in order to make more work for yourself later on with regenerating the public keys).
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 24, 2012, 12:14 am
Can you help me please ?  This is my public key i think? Then i just add the sellers public key to my list and im good to go?  ;D

Another message for you:

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 24, 2012, 12:16 am
Yes sir, that is your public key.
...
- My key is on the bottom of page 7 if you want to write something back to me.

Getting in some practice comrade? Excellent news! :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 24, 2012, 12:25 am
Couldn't find* any options to export the private key, without the public key.

*GnupG seems to work differently, but I cannot try it now.

Quote
--export, --export-secret-key
(cannot export an entire key
pair at once, requires two
operations)

Yes, it is frequently the case that although a particular technology standard is uniform, the implementations of that technology are quite varied, offering similar functionality, but different syntax or requiring hacks to workaround to achieve an end result.

In any case, knowing PGP, how to encrypt messages to people and decrypt messages from them is the main thing. I don't have your public key comrade! Get in contact we'll set you up with a PGP handshake.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 24, 2012, 12:27 am
I've spent almost as long trying to figure out how to +karma Pine/LouisC as I spent figuring out PGP. Karma must be harder though, because I eventually did figure out PGP...

Thanks again guys, you both were fantastic help.

It is really nothing at all in terms of time. But once you have this down you have a degree of free expression rarely found in today's surveillance world.

I will be asking every member of Club PGP a favor very soon. We are about to set up the next stage for Project ClubPGP, a propaganda campaign to bring more into the fold. I will PM everybody separately with the details first of all.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: goangod on July 24, 2012, 05:55 am
yes yes yes
i have finally cracked it,i can now use pgp,took me long enough to work it out and now it seems so simple,i cant beleive its taken so long
anyway i have made roughly 30 orders on sr but never used encryption,silly i know
my question is this,now i can use pgp should i set up a different seller account and start from scratch again ? i have impeccable stats on my original account which obviously mean a lot to vendors i use
not sure what to do,any input greatly appreciated
pgp all the way :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 06:50 am
Im so bad with computers. i wish i could get a PGP.  :-[ i have been here for 10 months and cant understand it at all. hell i could barely update the tor browser bundle.

I suggest you read this: http://ocrlwkklxt3ud64u.onion/files/1340929812.pdf

It's a very good introduction to the whole process and should help you understand it.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 07:00 am
Is it possible to export the private key without it’s public key? Can someone get the public key from it’s private key?

Not really.  The public key is derived from the private key so even if you only had the private components (master key and subkeys) you could still generate the public key.

Can someone extract (crack, bruteforce) the password from a private key? Am I still relatively safe if the password was complex enough?

If someone has obtained your private key, but does not have the passphrase then they still need to crack the passphrase to use the private key because the private key is encrypted (some information is not encrypted, which is why you can import another secret key and see who it belongs to, even if you can't use it).

For example, there are 4 secret keys in my SR keyring.  One is mine, one is an IGolder key I created when checking how bad that site is (it has no UIDs and no passphrase) and the other two are from people who posted their secret keys instead of their public keys.  One of those two people made a new key and started from scratch, but the other is a vendor who refuses to fix their mistake.

A GPG passphrase should be strong because once a secret key is obtained then brute forcing it is possible.  So the passphrase should be selected to be strong enough to withstand a protracted brute forcing attempt.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 07:25 am
Thanks for your help guys! I think I'm finally cool enough to be in the PGP club, but I'll let Pine/LC make that call :D

It looks like things are coming along nicely.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 07:48 am
Ok, the simplest forms of attack seem impossible. Just wondering if any type of attack described here:

http://www.cs.umd.edu/~jkatz/papers/pgp-attack.pdf

is still actual.

Both PGP and GPG compress data by default prior to encryption.  You'd have to have both parties manually override this process to send uncompressed encrypted data here (so far no one has and no one is recommending it).  In fact, that's part of the reason why short messages here end up being larger than the original plaintext because compression doesn't help with very small file sizes.

From the abstract at the beginning of that document:

Quote
On one hand, we are able to successfully implement the described
attacks against PGP and GnuPG (two widely-used software packages) in a
number of different settings. On the other hand, we show that the
attacks largely fail when data is compressed before encryption.

Page 2 explains that both GPG and PGP differ from the OpenPGP protocol
in ways which prevent the attack.  To my knowledge the only reason the
protocol did not (at the time that document was written) require
implementing the features which would prevent this attack is because
of all the people who, in my opinion foolishly, insist on using
ancient versions of PGP (i.e. PGP 2.6.x and earlier).  No one here is.

That document was written a long time ago.  You'll note that it refers
to PGP 2.6.2 and GPG 1.0.7, both of which are more than ten years old.
It also refers to RFC 2440, which has since been replaced by RFC 4880.

The software used by people on SR tends to be GPG 1.4.x (usually
1.4.11 and 1.4.12) or GPG 2.0.x (usually 2.0.18 or 2.0.19).  GPG
1.4.12 and 2.0.19 are the current versions of each branch.  I use
1.4.12, although I also have 2.0.18 installed.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 07:53 am
Is it possible to export the private key without it’s public key? Can someone get the public key from it’s private key?
No. The whole point of GPG is that it's impossible to extract the private key from the public key, and vice versa.

No, the public key can always be derived from the private key, but not vice-versa.

Can someone extract (crack, bruteforce) the password from a private key? Am I still relatively safe if the password was complex enough?
Yes - as far as I know - you would still be pretty safe. (I'd like to get an expert's opinion on this one.) Either way, it's better to keep your private key private.

The advantage of GPG/PGP is that you have two-factor authentication: the private key and the (hopefully strong) passphrase.  Each on their own cannot decrypt the ciphertext.  That said, if the passphrase is strong and the private key is leaked, then you still have the strength of the passphrase to rely on.

Obviously it is best to keep the private key out of anyone else's possession.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 07:54 am
Is it possible to export the private key without it’s public key? Can someone get the public key from it’s private key?

I asked this because when I used GPG4usb to export my private key, it exported the public key as well to the same file, so there was a private key block, and a public key block in there, and I wasn't aware of that.

But even if I only import  the private key block, it still imports the public key as well. Tried to import from clipboard and from a file but the same thing happened.

Is this a bug or is the public key embedded into the private key block?

Yes, this is expected behaviour.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Bungee54 on July 24, 2012, 08:46 am
Great work guys'n gals  8)  This thread is still going strong !!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 08:48 am
The trick here is to find a case for making such a project publicly.  Identify all the requirements that a darknet black market site has and then identify a situation in which those same requirements would be needed that would not result in being hunted by the FBI, DEA or whoever.

Essentially you're looking for a situation where people need robust anonymous and secure communications.  So go through a list of human rights situations and pick one.  A good example would be designing a system to allow the people of Mexico to communicate freely with each other without being identified and killed by the cartels.  I know that some groups (including parts of Anonymous and others) have already been looking into doing something in relation to Mexico.  Another good example would be something that could be deployed by dissidents in China.  It should't take long to find plenty more use case scenarios.

The real bonus is that if such a system can be developed then it really can help both the selfish goal of facilitating black markets and the altruistic goals of furthering human rights and protecting lives.  I've got to say that while I like the former, the latter would be nothing short of pure awesome.

Made a note to look into Python etc at some point.

It's also got a bigger market share than Lisp does these days.  Ever watched a film with special effects from Industrial Light & Magic (George Lucas' company)?  Then you've benefited from Python.  Ever used Google?  Then you've benefited from Python.  It's a wee bit massive.  ;)

The advantage there is that drafting coders to a project with Python knowledge becomes easier.

If you are developing software in parts and from far afield, then interoperability is going to become an issue.

Definitely.

Yes, I had a similar discussion with another fellow and we came to similar conclusions also. That in the long term, it is better to adopt a cat's paw approach to developing such a system, and of course it ultimately does make the world a freer place, not just for free trade either as you rightly point out.

Also it's fun to imagine the collective brains of journalists implode when they try to grapple with the concept of human rights being protected and lives being saved by drug dealers.

The initial investment of time/energy/money however, I am convinced has to come from ourselves, we can't just simply wait to things to come along. To use the old hack sailing metaphor, it's all very well to be blown by the wind, but you have to also take the initiative and set your sails in order to influence outcomes. I am so busy myself, I simply cannot envisage a time inside of a year when I'll have enough opportunity, but it has to be done nonetheless.

We all have busy schedules and there's an awful lot of work to be done.

Maybe if SR had a prize, like the X-Prize, then the best hackers and vendors could auction for achieving results in software. I mean, we spend a great deal of time trying to obtain money and security, but we also have to look at the bigger picture if everything is ultimately going to pay off in the end. It's a classic problem of short-termism that afflicts myself and many others.

Perhaps, but I'm not sure that keeping development within SR is the ideal method.  I don't think there are enough coders with the skill to achieve the intended result.  That's why I think you need to find a reason to create something similar that people out in the world would want to support it for in order to take advantage of the intelligence and skill of people who wouldn't normally support our interests.

Separate from security, I think education is also a serious problem in the new darknet markets.

Definitely!

I mean, I know I don't know as much as I should, and I know a helluva lot more than most people about tech through self learning.

Same here.  I am constantly assailed by how much I don't know.  Sometimes, though, I encounter a situation where I'm really quite advaced compared to others and wonder how that happened.  Then I remember how I reached that point.  This thread is a prime example of that.  ;)

That's why over the years I glided through ups and downs while the competition repeatedly bit the dust. But that kind of 'tacit education' needs to be more rigorous and defined. I see a legitimate need for black market colleges in other words.

There's definitely a need for it.

Here you would learn anonymity principals, economic theory, communication protocols, the essential foundation that produces specific skills like packaging product correctly in a cleanroom like environment, monitoring the postal system, creating honeytraps for LE agents, laying down multiple false trails and so forth. Very similar in fact, to the logical thinking of intelligence field operatives, but with an economic dimension that they lack.

Yep, a lot of people would directly benefit from that.

People with degrees/diplomas from such an online college, could offer such papers (like digital certs) as legitimate proof of competence. To infiltrate the network, LE agents would now have to get to that level, which they are most definitely not used to doing, it's a huge investment for them, they have to educate themselves twice over instead of learning on the job.

They'd do it, though, if only to entrench their cover.

As it is even now, every drug dealer in America has the potential to now become the black market equivalent of the FBI by sharpening his skills on the darknet to learn competitive advantages like anonymity, laundering best practices, public key cryptography for secret communications . This means that your average police officer must eventually get to the next level as well if there is even to be a hypothetical possibility of disturbing the network.

Most law enforcement organisations are spending some time talking about the need for "cyber unit" or "cyber command" to focus on this sort of thing, rather than getting each officer across the issue.  We should be able to take advantage of this.

When you see street deals being made with Casascius physical Bitcoins then you know the market we've reached the point of affecting external black markets.

https://www.casascius.com/

It's literally as defining, as when our ancestors learned to become literate during the industrial revolution.

That sounds about right.

I believe it's possible for the government to attack one central node, but they cannot defeat the network, we'll simply move or create a new hidden service until the day a system like SpeakEasy makes that irrelevant. In the long long term, I believe that means seeing a two phase economy in the world, a black and a white market, but with a defined social contract between the two.

I'm happy to watch it develope and see which way it goes.  It reminds me a little of the trading which occurred in 1984.  Even with Big Brother watching everyone, people still traded amongst themselves for the things they needed, like a razor blade.

The Black Market is on the rise in the West, and I see no possible way to stop it, it is the logical result of excessive taxation and petty regulation

Yes.  I've seen vendors on SR whose sole business relies on avoiding tariffs rather than trading in goods which are of themselves illegal.  One I'm thinking of, I forget the name, simply trades in cheap cigarettes and their prices are around 10-20% of the retail prices where I am.

while the East and even Africa sprints ahead in terms of overall growth due to the lack of baggage. I mean, the Black Market is literally the economic policy of many States in the emerging markets. China and Nigeria to name just two. Most people in the West misunderstand that completely.

Yep, no arguments there.

I mean, all this current jazz, bitcoin, tor, all that is going to be for the birds inside of a decade or two, there will be new technology in the future that surpasses the level at which we're at today.

Probably, but it will be developed gradually and we'll be able to pick it up as it appears.

Probably we will eventually create that technology. There will be real requirement for sophistication far beyond what is expected of us today.

Personally I don't have a problem with this.  It's effectively an intelligence test with a bit more oomph than some pissant IQ test.

As for Topix and mainstream drug distribution networks, I believe they will eventually go the way of the dinosaur. SR has shown there is an enormous competitive advantage to the darknet economy because of the possibility of creating contracts, rules, expected standards of behavior for the entire market. This changes everything. This network, not tor or bitcoin, but ourselves, is going to set a standard for decades to come, things will never be the same.

You're such an idealist, Pine.  That's what I like about you.  :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 08:52 am
Regular OpenPGP messages are symmetrically encrypted already.  Using symmetric encryption is not normally recommended for this type of situation.

A little primer on OpenPGP messages:

....

Thanks for the primer, don't fully grasp it yet, so I'm keeping a 'Louis' file for this post and a few other things you've said. I promise to reread them over and over until they are grasped completely :)

Onwards & upwards!

Heh.  Excellent.  :)

If it helps, it did take years for me to reach this point of familiarity with it, so I don't expect everyone to get it overnight.  I'm sure that some of my HOWTO posts will only really be appreciated long after they were posted.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 08:56 am
Ok, the simplest forms of attack seem impossible. Just wondering if any type of attack described here:

http://www.cs.umd.edu/~jkatz/papers/pgp-attack.pdf

is still actual.

From the article you cited:

– On the other hand, compression done by the encryption software itself (when
an uncompressed file is sent) causes the attack to fail. In the case of GnuPG
(when compression is used), the attack fails only due to the presence of
a message integrity check which is not explicitly required2 as part of the
OpenPGP specification [3]. Without the integrity check, the attack succeeds
100% of the time.


From RFC 4880:

5.13.  Sym. Encrypted Integrity Protected Data Packet (Tag 18)

   The Symmetrically Encrypted Integrity Protected Data packet is a
   variant of the Symmetrically Encrypted Data packet.  It is a new
   feature created for OpenPGP that addresses the problem of detecting a
   modification to encrypted data.  It is used in combination with a
   Modification Detection Code packet.
   
I would say that compliance with RFC 4880 has eliminated the possibility of
a successful attack as described in the paper you quoted.

Ah, I knew I should've checked to see if you'd responded before I replied to nomodeset.  I was also too slack to trawl through the current RFC for the relevant bit.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 09:05 am
Can you help me please ?  This is my public key i think? Then i just add the sellers public key to my list and im good to go?  ;D

That is indeed your key.

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yna1J9E60xXaUxCsqmp3I0xG9jwvpHWsRP/BwmibRpmbKlAanoCKM3Qi65mKNJmf
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PsEi/oPLg1HC2t8Q1PudFSkklvsN
=DfgP
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 24, 2012, 09:20 am
Louis, I read this post of you in the other thread.

I'd go further.  I wouldn't trust a vendor that used a key with less than 2048-bit strength, that uses old-style key structure (signing and encrypting included in the master key with no subkeys), only supported SHA1 hashes and only used symmetric ciphers that predated AES.  I also wouldn't trust anyone using BCPG (which includes everyone using IGolder) and Portable PGP 1.0.6 and earlier (I'm not yet sure about 1.0.7, but it is built with Java so being able to exploit the Java VM means being able to compromise the whole program).
I use the standard GPG engine that comes with Ubuntu, and I have a 2048-bit key. Is that a good version to use? (My key is at the bottom of page 7).

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 09:22 am
You could export only your private key probably if you hunt down the correct settings on the GUI or used the command line correctly.

Your public key and private key blocks are not embedded into each other, they are separate pieces of information. If it still bothers you that your public key is being exported with your private key, then just get rid of it.

I was hunting in the official PGP guide here
www.symantec.com/business/support/resources/sites/BUSINESS/content/live/DOCUMENTATION/3000/DOC3733/en_US/pgpCommandLine_952_usersguide_en.pdf

Quote
The command --export exports only public keys, while the command
--export-key-pair exports private keys.

Couldn't find* any options to export the private key, without the public key.

*GnupG seems to work differently, but I cannot try it now.

Quote
--export, --export-secret-key
(cannot export an entire key
pair at once, requires two
operations)

The PGP command line options may differ from GPG's because they are completely separate programs.  There will be some similarity though because GPG was first developed when everyone used PGP 2.6.x (or earlier) and there are some functions which have been available since then.

In addition to using "gpg --dump-options" which lists every flag you can use with GPG (I normally combine it with grep to search for something specific), I've found the following links invaluable.

The GNU Privacy Handbook:
http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html

The GNU Privacy Guard Manual:
http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/

GnuPG - Command Reference:
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/uiuc/gpg/gpg-com-0.htm

Even advanced users will occasionally need to check things in the
manual or the command reference, there's a lot there.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 09:31 am
yes yes yes
i have finally cracked it,i can now use pgp,took me long enough to work it out and now it seems so simple,i cant beleive its taken so long
anyway i have made roughly 30 orders on sr but never used encryption,silly i know
my question is this,now i can use pgp should i set up a different seller account and start from scratch again ? i have impeccable stats on my original account which obviously mean a lot to vendors i use
not sure what to do,any input greatly appreciated
pgp all the way :)

A different seller account that affects vendors?  Do you mean a different buyer account you are using with vendors or do you mean you are a vendor?

If you are a vendor then you should add your public key and insist on encryption for everything from here on out.

If you are a buyer only then it's up to you.  Your address will have already been sent unencrypted, so you may want to change accounts.  On the other hand LE are more interested in vendors than buyers, so just adding encryption to your purchasing process might be a better option in your case.

If you are a vendor and a buyer then you should already have different accounts for buying and selling.  You should use encryption and different keys with both of them.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 24, 2012, 09:32 am
Ah, got it. When I run the command
$ gpg --version

Then it says gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.11, and the various hashes and ciphers it supports. So I think I'm good.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 24, 2012, 09:44 am

Getting in some practice comrade? Excellent news! :)
Definitely. I've never been a big one for chatting, but when it's encrypted using state of the art algorithms, I'm interested.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 09:46 am
In fact, that's part of the reason why short messages here end up being larger than the original plaintext because compression doesn't help with very small file sizes.
damn pigeonhole principle :P

Yes, yes, it's terrible.  ;)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 09:50 am
Louis, I read this post of you in the other thread.

I'd go further.  I wouldn't trust a vendor that used a key with less than 2048-bit strength, that uses old-style key structure (signing and encrypting included in the master key with no subkeys), only supported SHA1 hashes and only used symmetric ciphers that predated AES.  I also wouldn't trust anyone using BCPG (which includes everyone using IGolder) and Portable PGP 1.0.6 and earlier (I'm not yet sure about 1.0.7, but it is built with Java so being able to exploit the Java VM means being able to compromise the whole program).
I use the standard GPG engine that comes with Ubuntu, and I have a 2048-bit key. Is that a good version to use? (My key is at the bottom of page 7).

It should be fine for the next few years at least.  The default key sizes for GPG are good enough for most people, but never select anything lower than the defaults.

The problem with BCPG and Portable PGP 1.0.6 is that they do select lower key sizes.  A Java implementation should be avoided whenever possible too.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 10:07 am

Getting in some practice comrade? Excellent news! :)
Definitely. I've never been a big one for chatting, but when it's encrypted using state of the art algorithms, I'm interested.

It certainly adds entertainment value to it.  Makes you feel like you're doing something.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 24, 2012, 10:19 am

Getting in some practice comrade? Excellent news! :)
Definitely. I've never been a big one for chatting, but when it's encrypted using state of the art algorithms, I'm interested.

It certainly adds entertainment value to it.  Makes you feel like you're doing something.
Yes! For most people it's annoying, all those steps before you can finally read the message. But we love it. That only proves. We're geeks.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 24, 2012, 11:14 am
It certainly adds entertainment value to it.  Makes you feel like you're doing something.
Yes! For most people it's annoying, all those steps before you can finally read the message. But we love it. That only proves. We're geeks.

It's definitely one of the signs.  ;)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: randomOVDB#2 on July 24, 2012, 12:49 pm
http://p3lr4cdm3pv4plyj.onion/test.php

Robotic member of the PGP Club.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Orinoko Flow on July 24, 2012, 06:51 pm
Thanks ejek1 i decrypted your message ;D
Yes sir, that is your public key. (Well I assume it's yours. The name says "Drake", so if you typed that, it's yours.

Here is a message I encrypted for you.
- Copy/paste it in a notepad file,
- save it as ej3k1.txt.asc (you can choose any file name)
- Import it in GPA/Kleopatra and select decrypt
- Type your passphrase and it should create a file in the same folder: ej3k1.txt (This is the message that you can read)


- My key is on the bottom of page 7 if you want to write something back to me.



-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

hQIOA5HBTsrtO+caEAf/bxB2QOWVpoUYu1FCM4uh1IRI7nG+kDSnTY7zWJBRr94R
ey9ivCOAL3idsrpPWuz35w/bdU7sZ3u/IVxjIHqIXJizaZHdox/8pZ3YnBaGLuZn
vWro/0PpwwG1aPu69++9fq02BQ0ctREGtQCe0OmfS14s2EQFhtFtiXp/ZOz2P0TA
kPX/ghnDHrSBVpwmW8J6b0Hr/EGEWTvhxbM1aU30F3Te3gJgyrKXFJOxSWz3tlCU
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SUs34sNPk8tEonX3DXrz8QLu686KtS4YL+0sXs2oKdvOmttng/+kSYnetkKYjcIP
9eiXjAeKCP5lvEQXKZClH/IhaLeLGs1KVWO3xVgmWu8whI/psyAG47qUfRUEYLIv
htLAAAGm1RdgqXqKOA3/czTJ9nOzdwQNXOLnwkOx5dTJJ5zZbNS3ePKGjTs0vTKJ
hmWTttJfonIy1eJbErNSuaG4lVsmFCYZVNnFT+oNZajxI9FlzkJajU3X/Wm0ugRV
N9z8VQY0kz/vmyqW3yBOf6vOgH8j0IpHqLfx2tZ1QCZe3ag1MtUJfFrymQnIkLo7
QBLjMLbO+b18hqI/IilJ9zUOkBN8hOIyaOj05VMu2ZhUiaXUjlgzOFGpcUaw6VRW
Jhj4ow==
=akxa
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: sapphirestate on July 26, 2012, 05:13 am
Hey Pine – PGP noob here, testing my chops. Please double check my work here at your leisure; my public key is in this msg:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin)
Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org

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2SzXrEEuizQ1qUkigtz++1On4/r25SCNGwNWQnBE89jN8wOEQLVz6hQie4gVEi+l
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2emhFP1Kx0BznYx5L34T9AVoKnEqaRARMQ==
=UyG8
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 26, 2012, 07:00 am
Hey Pine – PGP noob here, testing my chops. Please double check my work here at your leisure; my public key is in this msg:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

hQIOA6mN3qyV9AVDEAf9F/ZQ6tR8OJvjvUj2MxAZmyEHi8ELf6uJXfy7O/GN0eRC
PULcQ3ogudgRQjBLfDfg7jEKXsG38QnAMKeS/iNL+52n/93z6v7z7pU5FtqvDHc7
oMp+vYoDZWYUX+CW27luHi6yeyLHMZDtPoM+NFryy2jvcnxFU1zHOE0ida6dNJpe
pYJ9U8dCAlPhWOILNGZqvd42HKyrXk+/BODdI2X4QpNoviJoOX5uhSTRq5PB2xH2
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KnhvVCPpW+WYfPhc2iFBroyIt9CrrMxzUsrVcbLPNQf+OosVNgl973iN518+di/M
b+ACdjoZRhJleBfP/A2Ozn02wahX9PxlgZXbd26gDo37h3nH3sGB4zog0j9TftQP
Bc94TVAZ+mm9dOY8Ol/0LL/UrMHu5U/h3+UDjzNVH3f9V81++VEH/c01gGu2lxRd
mpr0hcfQb7HS092AjJuo2iivSGtZosuLaawW7QgtbBOhJk7lNkG9nja1eTul6Rtj
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a/K4pz+2YhZFpuzjH8XpcTPdssSA99iBEgnaQmqgSvEXnthbmpUDOTkezent43q7
QqUJB9YWr3aaPf/fGtakq87D4ofjPgiWW74ixRyyYqr85jM0PpVSWYDz
=491G
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 26, 2012, 07:06 am
http://p3lr4cdm3pv4plyj.onion/test.php

Robotic member of the PGP Club.

Welcome Robot! You are a defacto member of our glorious enterprise! :)

We're more or less unbeatable really. Even the robots are joining the Revolution!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 26, 2012, 07:09 am
It certainly adds entertainment value to it.  Makes you feel like you're doing something.
Yes! For most people it's annoying, all those steps before you can finally read the message. But we love it. That only proves. We're geeks.

It's definitely one of the signs.  ;)

That and understanding this joke:

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and then those who don't.

After that you're certifiable. (but for what!? :D)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: antlers on July 26, 2012, 10:47 am
Hi all,

You're welcome to use my key below to test encryption and send me a message.
I can also help a little bit with any questions about getting GPG running on OSX.

Antlers

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin)

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FNDuitPRBK8NHhXEtT/L701LVgILmwEPqyePQVP3xtuZijmGrZ++T4DtNZIoVL+p
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=LAxJ
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: nate25 on July 26, 2012, 03:22 pm
where do i go to download this pgp?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: intercom on July 26, 2012, 08:41 pm
If someone could test this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)

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=zwkK
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: digitbh on July 26, 2012, 08:56 pm
This is a very helpful thread and I've already thrown a few people asking questions about PGP this way. Thanks for doing this.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: wanna-be on July 26, 2012, 10:40 pm
Guru- "Backing Up Your PGP Keys in Tails
=======================

Tails is a wonderful Linux distribution aimed at the security-minded. One of its security features is the fact that when Tails is powered-down, all data created during your Tails session is erased. This is fabulous for those who do not wish to leave traces of their activities for others to find.

However, that poses a problem for anyone using PGP in Tails, as any keys that are created  (or other people's keys that are added to your PGP keyring) during your Tails session are lost when the session ends.

Accordingly, it is necessary to backup your PGP keyrings to a USB stick BEFORE shutting-down Tails.

Here's how to do it:

* Double-click on the folder labeled "Amnesia's home" on the Desktop.

  A new window will open up, with two panes: the left-most pane will contain a list of places that are accessible."


Guru is this TAILS 0.12 you're talking about?  A new window popped up, and there was a panel on the left, and a much larger partition on the right.  But there was nothing about a usb or flash drive anywhere.  Please advise.  I think others may run into this problem so your assistance is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: intercom on July 26, 2012, 10:54 pm
via GUI: perhaps back up the .gnupg folder hidden inside /home/amnesia/

(control+h to view hidden content in nautilus)

copy that over to a mounted encrypted drive.

(pretty sure that works, yes?)

via terminal:

[from the tails forum]
Quote
for safety, make sure you store it in an ancrypted file, folder or partition on another usb harddrive. Tails is non-persistent meaning all data is lost when you shut it down. To export your secret key, open a terminal and type the following:

gpg --export-secret-keys -a > your key name

The '-a >' command will output the file to your amnesia directory ('amnesia's home' icon underneath 'computer' icon, top left). Then copy it to an encrypted medium as mentioned above.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: antlers on July 27, 2012, 12:55 am
Hi intercom, sent you pm to test.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: goofus on July 27, 2012, 12:59 am
It certainly adds entertainment value to it.  Makes you feel like you're doing something.
Yes! For most people it's annoying, all those steps before you can finally read the message. But we love it. That only proves. We're geeks.

It's definitely one of the signs.  ;)

That and understanding this joke:

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and then those who don't.

After that you're certifiable. (but for what!? :D)
now that was RDRsquared
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: sapphirestate on July 27, 2012, 02:08 am
Hey Pine – PGP noob here, testing my chops. Please double check my work here at your leisure; my public key is in this msg:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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=491G
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

Success! TYVM for the time and effort, Pine. Will use my new superpowers carefully!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: dr3am on July 27, 2012, 04:09 am
Send me a pm if you need to test.

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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=VIX7
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: StenoJ on July 27, 2012, 04:28 am

 I am very eager to get started on silk road. My small brain is having the worst time wrapping around the pgp messaging. I am using mac ox and trying to configure using gpg keychain access. How long does it usually take a noob to get the hang of this?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 27, 2012, 04:33 am

 I am very eager to get started on silk road. My small brain is having the worst time wrapping around the pgp messaging. I am using mac ox and trying to configure using gpg keychain access. How long does it usually take a noob to get the hang of this?

It takes as long as it has to. Using PGP is not really an option merely because it's not part of SR's software. It should be thought of like wearing your seat belt while driving.

Read through my post on the Russian Postal System to get a handle on the rationale behind public and private keys (it's in this thread). Then think about it for a while and then follow these instructions:

1. Download GPG (this is the open source implementation of PGP) for your operating system. (with GUI front end).
2. Install, and then run a program called GPA (GNU privacy assistant).
3. Go to 'Keys' on the menu and create a PGP key. You will need to decide on 3 things:
    - how secure the encryption is, represented by key length e.g. 2048 bit, 4096 bit and so on.
    - what name to use. I strongly advise this to be your SR username on the forums so I can find you later.
    - what email to use. You should use either a fake email or a tormail a/c email address.
4. Then PM me your public key. You get this by selecting copy on the GPA list of keys and pasting in the PM.
5. Next, import my public key. This is in the 2nd post in my PGP thread. Just copy paste that into a text file
    e.g. with notepad or gedit, and save it as pine.txt or pine.gpg or whatever you like.
6. Import that key into the GPA.
7. Go to the clipboard and make a message to me. Then select encrypt and choose my public key to encrypt it
    with. Then PM that to me.

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: anom on July 27, 2012, 04:55 am
If anyone wants to practice, hit me up. include your publickey and ill write back

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: getinthepit on July 27, 2012, 05:33 am
I was so intimidated by PGP. Thanks for letting me get some practice before I went onto SR making myself look like a dumbass :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 27, 2012, 02:28 pm
It certainly adds entertainment value to it.  Makes you feel like you're doing something.
Yes! For most people it's annoying, all those steps before you can finally read the message. But we love it. That only proves. We're geeks.

It's definitely one of the signs.  ;)

That and understanding this joke:

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and then those who don't.

After that you're certifiable. (but for what!? :D)

I also like this one:

There are three types of people in the world; those who understand what "ternary" means, those who don't and those currently reaching for a dictionary.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 27, 2012, 02:34 pm
Hi all,

You're welcome to use my key below to test encryption and send me a message.
I can also help a little bit with any questions about getting GPG running on OSX.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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=9GaN
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 27, 2012, 02:40 pm
If someone could test this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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=FL3v
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 27, 2012, 02:55 pm
Kleopatra—comes with GnuPG4win (http://gpg4win.org). It has a more pleasant interface, but is more prone to crashing. It should be available in the Quick Start menu after the program is installed. For more information see this guide http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=131.0

Guru has also uncovered a flaw with the default method Kleopatra generates OpenPGP keys such that while the program may be fine for general key management, it is not ideal for generating new keys.  The problem is that it creates old-style Certification/Signing/Encryption keys instead of Certification/Signing keys with Encryption subkeys.

Big kudos to Guru for discovering this bug!

gpg via command-line interface—always available, but slightly more cumbersome. On most systems, go to a command prompt and type the gpg command. On Windows, the command is placed in the %SystemDrive%\Progra~1\GNU\GnuPG\pub directory after it is installed.

It's always worthwhile learning how to use GPG on the command line because it provides so many more options that way.

Some Linux distros, such as TAILS or Liberté Linux already have the necessary programs installed.

Most distros have it by default (usually in /usr/bin/gpg), but it may not be the most recent version and may not always include a GUI.  Both Debian and Red Hat based distros use GPG for authentication of packages (.deb and .rpm) in their package management systems.

I recommend to always verify PGP signatures of the downloaded programs and think we missed this step here.

I agree, but most people on this thread are learning to use it for the first time and haven't yet reached the point of verifying a file by the signature.  Hopefully we'll get to that.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: downfourthecount on July 27, 2012, 05:24 pm
Hey guys, so trying my best to wrap my head around this PGP thing on the mac side. I'm a little confused of people posting PGP messages here and asking someone (and it appears anyone) to test it out. Wouldn't the originator of the PGP message have to attach the public key of the reader to the message for them to read it?

Anyways, here is my first attempt at a message to Pine......

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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=L2qD
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 27, 2012, 05:39 pm
Hey guys, so trying my best to wrap my head around this PGP thing on the mac side. I'm a little confused of people posting PGP messages here and asking someone (and it appears anyone) to test it out. Wouldn't the originator of the PGP message have to attach the public key of the reader to the message for them to read it?

All you need to encrypt a message to someone is their public key.  So once you post your own public key anyone with the software can encrypt a message to you.  You can encrypt messages to anyone for whom you can obtain a public key.

I can see that the message you posted is encrypted to two keys:

Old: Public-Key Encrypted Session Key Packet(tag 1)(268 bytes)
   New version(3)
   Key ID - 0x0AB7FB291A5E16A9
   Pub alg - RSA Encrypt or Sign(pub 1)
   RSA m^e mod n(2045 bits) - ...
      -> m = sym alg(1 byte) + checksum(2 bytes) + PKCS-1 block type 02
Old: Public-Key Encrypted Session Key Packet(tag 1)(396 bytes)
   New version(3)
   Key ID - 0xBA665721A9E19F6E
   Pub alg - RSA Encrypt or Sign(pub 1)
   RSA m^e mod n(3065 bits) - ...
      -> m = sym alg(1 byte) + checksum(2 bytes) + PKCS-1 block type 02
New: Symmetrically Encrypted and MDC Packet(tag 18)(486 bytes)
   Ver 1
   Encrypted data [sym alg is specified in pub-key encrypted session key]
      (plain text + MDC SHA1(20 bytes))

The first key, 0x0AB7FB291A5E16A9, is a 2048-bit RSA key which I presume is your own key and is not in my public keyring.  The second key, 0xBA665721A9E19F6E, is Pine's 3072-bit RSA key for PGP Club.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: downfourthecount on July 27, 2012, 05:57 pm
Got it, think I have it all figured out now. And yes you were right, that was my key and Pine's.

Should I be concerned with why you have 2 keys listed as well as a fingerprint?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 27, 2012, 06:48 pm
Got it, think I have it all figured out now. And yes you were right, that was my key and Pine's.

Cool.  I can see you've added your key to your signature, which is good.  I'm encrypting something to you below.

Should I be concerned with why you have 2 keys listed as well as a fingerprint?

I don't have two keys listed, I have two different links for the same key.  The fingerprint matches that key.

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=ZalB
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----


Here's an analysis of the encrypted message above for comparison to my previous one of your message to Pine:

Old: Public-Key Encrypted Session Key Packet(tag 1)(268 bytes)
   New version(3)
   Key ID - 0x0AB7FB291A5E16A9
   Pub alg - RSA Encrypt or Sign(pub 1)
   RSA m^e mod n(2046 bits) - ...
      -> m = sym alg(1 byte) + checksum(2 bytes) + PKCS-1 block type 02
Old: Public-Key Encrypted Session Key Packet(tag 1)(1038 bytes)
   New version(3)
   Key ID - 0x0000000000000000
   Pub alg - ElGamal Encrypt-Only(pub 16)
   ElGamal g^k mod p(4095 bits) - ...
   ElGamal m * y^k mod p(4095 bits) - ...
      -> m = sym alg(1 byte) + checksum(2 bytes) + PKCS-1 block type 02
New: Symmetrically Encrypted and MDC Packet(tag 18)(1024 bytes) partial start
   Ver 1
   Encrypted data [sym alg is specified in pub-key encrypted session key]
      (plain text + MDC SHA1(20 bytes))
New:    (512 bytes) partial continue
New:    (172 bytes) partial end

The message is encrypted to your 2048-bit RSA key (0x0AB7FB291A5E16A9) and to an anonymous 4096-bit Elgamal key (0x0000000000000000).  In this case it is pretty easy to work out that the anonymous key is mine (0x7E8BE6B1DD7B4576), but there are definitely circumstances when hiding one or more of the keys a message is encrypted to can be of benefit.  Encrypting addresses for an order would be a good example.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 27, 2012, 06:58 pm
Hey guys, so trying my best to wrap my head around this PGP thing on the mac side. I'm a little confused of people posting PGP messages here and asking someone (and it appears anyone) to test it out. Wouldn't the originator of the PGP message have to attach the public key of the reader to the message for them to read it?

Anyways, here is my first attempt at a message to Pine......

Hello D4TC!

Well, that is why you take a pine paracetamol!

Ok, so you have used my PGP public key to encrypt a message to me. This proves that
you understood that you needed my public in order to send me secret communications.

50% of the way there comrade!

Now you must send me your PGP public key and I will send you a message to decrypt. This
will prove that you know you need to send somebody else your public key in order for them
to communicate with you secretly etc.

Once you have completed the PGP handshake, you know how to encrypt and decrypt,
and therefore you become an automatic member of PGP Club! Now it is just practice
to get PGP fluent!

So send on the public key! (here, because I can't send > 20 messages per hour via private PM!)

Cheers!

Pine

P.S. Like Louis says, those people asking for their PGP to get tested aren't actually posting PGP messages, they are posting their PGP public keys, which are required for an encrypted message to be sent to them.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: downfourthecount on July 27, 2012, 07:36 pm
LC,
Thanks so much for your suggestions! I believe I figured out how to adjust my preferences and have republished my public key. The email connected was actually never going to be used,  just set it up at first when I was unsure of what was going on. Do you suggest I make a new one without email (or with TorMail) even if I plan on just using PGP through SR channels and not even ever logging in to that account?
.........................

Pine,
Blow is me new and improved key thanks to LC....

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin)
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fMG8GBZ3svTEMYo7bT9TdkPF/qaavVv9oiuHLA41c3Ui3s/Hdgtz/P4JnJN2SW5X
Ty8RMlhG/dkCuZb++p8yHE/7IAYIf6Kk17JNSoBzE6QVVSJyQbcAEQEAAYkCQwQY
AQIADwUCUBK+WAIbLgUJB4YfgAEoCRBAE3UjsWGDusBcIAQZAQIABgUCUBK+WAAK
CRAKt/spGl4WqeEiB/d4nEJbPuZGYVa61hOeDobvtaaglZgJDcaw/nNxw1NY3QoK
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YuFnWjgFEAld/VkLDoCJjk5iPYb9+cQxJxhPbwCx0Tp5LYUCEcZu4iAgNSZlQpFU
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8pjC3VQN3LeQe7lDKrNtNPNS3ytUa9qYoGt4rZ5DLAgAsczMndwodXmW1o4te3Ic
jY3jEldnsKl23KV1MTXvLlsPRcwFTFdrW7BAN27CrcNYIm6UZEkIhsbWohy3jfbT
5BlHMlr6/pwsSeCLPUtuU8G4zDvyethYZRnvvcuWzcRO0q5nh/yJBRhC5FSKtcnR
vgPJgnP/W3Eu59SNj1Jm9YoVquRzj2ytBmHHqvEiMRvsT9HyKsaT5wdd8JsLYLRE
JMfa5psAjpGJD+uXm9mOxAAyw/FLi3thwyrObXf2Npo3IlytV+6iFuH3rqC2Yyqs
EER3j1hERsU/Lv/a2N0XnKz6Kn1EJ8wEkfoCc2RNjI28pSWtjJSNC2jeu0qBQ8B0
9w==
=bJLm
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 27, 2012, 08:01 pm
LC,
Thanks so much for your suggestions! I believe I figured out how to adjust my preferences and have republished my public key. The email connected was actually never going to be used,  just set it up at first when I was unsure of what was going on. Do you suggest I make a new one without email (or with TorMail) even if I plan on just using PGP through SR channels and not even ever logging in to that account?

The key is definitely updated with better ciphers, so that's good.

As for the user ID.  It's always possible that someone will use the information in the UID to contact you directly or track you down.  Now while it is a relatively simple matter to update that information (adduid), that won't necessarily delete the old UID from people who already have your key.

If I were in your shoes I'd replace the key entirely and either not include an email address or use a Tor Mail one.  You could create a key that does not include a Tor Mail email address (or other anonymous email address) and then add that information at a later date if you create one.

I also wouldn't configure the key and subkeys the way you have.  Your keys are:

pub  2048R/B16183BA  created: 2012-07-27  expires: never       usage: SCEA
sub  2048R/1A5E16A9  created: 2012-07-27  expires: 2016-07-27  usage: SEA

For the usage I would make the master key (the top one) either Signing/Certification (SC) or just Certification (C).  With a Signing (S) subkey and an Encrypting (E) subkey.  Unless you plan to use your GPG key for SSH access to another system then I wouldn't bother with an Authentication (A) subkey.

Again, my key can be used for comparison:

pub  4096R/DD7B4576  created: 2012-06-16  expires: never       usage: SC 
sub  2048R/195D71B8  created: 2012-06-16  expires: never       usage: S   
sub  4096g/D677EF45  created: 2012-06-16  expires: never       usage: E   

Instructions for how to create a key like mine are here:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28474.0

Instructions for properly backing up a key and just using the subkeys for day to day use are here:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28859.0

You definitely don't want to use the same subkey for encryption that you do for signing.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 27, 2012, 10:37 pm
Small question on the side. When you generate a key using GnuPG 1.4.11 for Linux then you can use an encryption strength anywhere between 1024 and 4096 bits, and default is 2048 bits.

What should be a minimum, and when is it overkill?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 27, 2012, 11:01 pm
Small question on the side. When you generate a key using GnuPG 1.4.11 for Linux then you can use an encryption strength anywhere between 1024 and 4096 bits, and default is 2048 bits.

What should be a minimum, and when is it overkill?

Pine is unfamiliar with the concept of this "overkill" you mention.

8192 bit keys FTW!

16384 bit keys! More! More! More!

:D

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: intercom on July 27, 2012, 11:24 pm
nice. thanks for posting that.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 28, 2012, 02:13 am
I agree, but most people on this thread are learning to use it for the first time and haven't yet reached the point of verifying a file by the signature.  Hopefully we'll get to that.

Let me try to introduce the topic. At least one message will be enough.

In order to understand how digital signatures work we need to consider a hash function. It's a many-to-one function that maps its input to a value in a finite set. Typically this set is a range of natural numbers. A simple hash function is f(x) = 0 for all integers x. A more interesting hash function is f(x) = x mod 37, which maps x to the remainder of dividing x by 37.

A document's digital signature is the result of applying a hash function to the document. To be useful, however, the hash function needs to satisfy two important properties. First, it should be hard to find two documents that hash to the same value. Second, given a hash value it should be hard to recover the document that produced that value.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_function

After the hash value of the message is computed, it is encrypted using the signer's private key, and anybody can check the signature using the public key. If the document is modified the signature check will fail, but this is precisely what the signature check is supposed to catch.

In order to sign a document the --sign command-line option is used:

gpg --clearsign --output message.sig --sign message

The message is input, and the signed document is output.

Let's consider an example. Dread Pirate Roberts sends the following message:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

If for some reason the official Silk Road onion URL were to be compromised and I was unable to communicate with you through the forum, one of the following 3 URLs will be used to relaunch the site and/or communicate through:

silkroadiplkjo7t.onion

bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion

pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQEwC+AAoJEAIiQjtnt/olmpYIAIAh9rDphz9MMHPR9Y+273yN
mRcBi5Smj4NMu6pU37jQlNZ/NEVlU41Qmmp80emGTSpVyLlljzTBg04d15NKQITw
ByidPFbh2Qqz63T+WyqDsEZAnmRQ7tZvXtpk4cKx3ttX384tP+jUlmHBC+83ERHm
fok32hPRPO309RZkZBEa9gwmeGCkU8sg3E8LT331Wtwd5Zo+LIGdR8Jd5HevarBF
LwYIw1suEN5+Gvu3/liTS0f0Ftqyqt2oLCrAYd821ybmxYZYnwpErx+pcsrE+0ic
j4MInxn65sSbcZKE5cmjMunVldmASoWxMmJjNq8yzMgxZzW8JIXmdvLixwlaWcY=
=rxxy
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


Everyone who's imported DPR's public key could then check that this message is really written by Dread Pirate Roberts running this:

gpg --output DPRmessage --decrypt DPRmessage.sig

It should say:

gpg: Good signature from "Silk Road <staff@silkroadmarket.org>"

Now let's assume that somebody pwned forum or DPR account to post this:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

If for some reason the official Silk Road onion URL were to be compromised and I was unable to communicate with you through the forum, one of the following 3 URLs will be used to relaunch the site and/or communicate through:

www.usdoj.gov/dea/

www.fbi.gov

www.cnn.com

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQEwC+AAoJEAIiQjtnt/olmpYIAIAh9rDphz9MMHPR9Y+273yN
mRcBi5Smj4NMu6pU37jQlNZ/NEVlU41Qmmp80emGTSpVyLlljzTBg04d15NKQITw
ByidPFbh2Qqz63T+WyqDsEZAnmRQ7tZvXtpk4cKx3ttX384tP+jUlmHBC+83ERHm
fok32hPRPO309RZkZBEa9gwmeGCkU8sg3E8LT331Wtwd5Zo+LIGdR8Jd5HevarBF
LwYIw1suEN5+Gvu3/liTS0f0Ftqyqt2oLCrAYd821ybmxYZYnwpErx+pcsrE+0ic
j4MInxn65sSbcZKE5cmjMunVldmASoWxMmJjNq8yzMgxZzW8JIXmdvLixwlaWcY=
=rxxy
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


Everybody who has DPR's public key can check that this message is not written by him:

gpg --output DPRmessage2 --decrypt DPRmessage.sig

It will say:

gpg: BAD signature from "Silk Road <staff@silkroadmarket.org>"

Great post! Golly, it reminds me that I have to complete my cryptographic hashing project soon. And don't forget to sign DPR's public key before verifying a signed message by him folks.

A thought on more sophisticated PGP tech beyond simply knowing how to encrypt and decrypt.

Is it possible to create a PGP encrypted message that is designed be Timestamp sensitive?

I mean for applications like the following:

- A 'mission impossible' message. i.e. the encrypted message can't be decrypted after X minutes/days/years
                                                          even if you have the private key.
- A 'time bomb' message. i.e. the encrypted message is only decrypted with your private key after a time limit.

- A Timestamp pattern message. i.e. Message only decrypted at certain time intervals e.g. each Friday at GMT 1pm

And so on. It could be very useful.

Now, I know what you're going to say: the PGP software needs to know the time... And that you could always simply change the clock on your computer to suit yourself.

However, imagine a bunch of servers that exist to tell you the time, they already exist. Now, what if those servers were arranged into a web of trust network communicating the Timestamp with your PGP software via signed encrypted messaging?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: wanna-be on July 28, 2012, 02:31 am
I followed Guru's instructions and it worked every step of the way until I went to put the usb in and nothing happened.  Then I went to search for the .gnupg file to see if I could email the public key to myself and the .gnupg is nowhere to be found.  I know I'm kind of a useless member on these boards because all I do is ask questions but I'm a good teacher so if I can get this I'll pay it forward.

..What do I do?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: intercom on July 28, 2012, 03:58 am
1. did you mount the usb drive?
2. perhaps someone else can clarify, but I imagine emailing keys in general is not a secure practice.
3. files/directories with a period at the beginning are hidden. control-h in nautilus to show.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 28, 2012, 04:36 am
I followed Guru's instructions and it worked every step of the way until I went to put the usb in and nothing happened.  Then I went to search for the .gnupg file to see if I could email the public key to myself and the .gnupg is nowhere to be found.  I know I'm kind of a useless member on these boards because all I do is ask questions but I'm a good teacher so if I can get this I'll pay it forward.

..What do I do?

Maybe I'm missing something since I haven't been looking at your case too closely, but since you are backing up PGP public keys to a USB, why don't you run GPG off the USB stick and save yourself all this hassle? I recommend obtaining an Ironkey or/and encrypting the USB.

I just don't see why you should use a PGP program on Tails when you're already storing your data elsewhere anyway.

Lastly, if you want to keep it all together, you could go the route of setting up a live USB with Liberte instead of Tails. You can save stuff to a container on Liberte.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 28, 2012, 06:31 am
Also it's fun to imagine the collective brains of journalists implode when they try to grapple with the concept of human rights being protected and lives being saved by drug dealers.

A bonus! I ♥ bonuses! Mooooooar le brainzzz *slurp* -- zombiepine

The initial investment of time/energy/money however, I am convinced has to come from ourselves, we can't just simply wait to things to come along. To use the old hack sailing metaphor, it's all very well to be blown by the wind, but you have to also take the initiative and set your sails in order to influence outcomes. I am so busy myself, I simply cannot envisage a time inside of a year when I'll have enough opportunity, but it has to be done nonetheless.
We all have busy schedules and there's an awful lot of work to be done.

Sure, but the SpeakEasy Project has led the way, so that's an inspiration:

http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/anonymousanon/sfp/forum.html

Many parts of the system have already been exhaustively argued about and at least a first design draft exists on paper. We don't have the code, but I think a fresh collection of eyes commanding the project would do it a world of good to get it off the ground. Thing is about most programmers, is they they are infamous procrastinators! I have the impression SE is basically stalling because of paralysis by analysis & perfectionism not to mention disillusionment with the two programmers fucking off halfway through the project twice and in two different languages (java and then ruby). If your typical manager know-nothing about code was running the show like a typical deliverable, then it would have been off the shop floor months ago. Buggy as fuck, but at least partially crystallized into a real thing with a bunch of bitching coders trying to stuff the most obvious holes in it asap with updates and two fingers to the boss.

In short, there is something to be said for ignorance, arrogance even. Look at the Tor Project. Those guys surely didn't have a fucking clue what they were facing with respect to the social/political ramifications when they started that project for sure. But they grew into it. That's kinda how high risk projects have to be. You kind of need a controlled way to fuck up repeatedly and recover from it. Knowing too much can make you indecisive.

tldr; I think agile works better because it fits human nature more so than a waterfall.

Maybe if SR had a prize, like the X-Prize, then the best hackers and vendors could auction for achieving results in software. I mean, we spend a great deal of time trying to obtain money and security, but we also have to look at the bigger picture if everything is ultimately going to pay off in the end. It's a classic problem of short-termism that afflicts myself and many others.

Perhaps, but I'm not sure that keeping development within SR is the ideal method.  I don't think there are enough coders with the skill to achieve the intended result.  That's why I think you need to find a reason to create something similar that people out in the world would want to support it for in order to take advantage of the intelligence and skill of people who wouldn't normally support our interests.

Absolutely. In fact the se project was at least partially doing that I think. I mean, I'm serious when I say there's only like 400 good cryptographers in the world, we can't have them all on a payroll, open source is superior. However I'd like to involve one or two genius research mathematicians I know, to throw something entirely novel into the equation so to speak, just for kicks, lulz.

Key problem is that LE know by now that something like SE is going to roll off the factory floor, so they are keeping their eyes peeled for interesting projects that seem parallel to that. Yup, I am that paranoid. I would avoid any interesting projects that are too convincingly useful for this reason. Because that's what I would do to get me :)

This implies we have got to reduce a new se down to it's constituent components, spend a lot of time in the libraries, and act like bees collecting the nectar from various open source projects (to steal a metaphor from Strike!). It's just like how it is with the DEA banning certain chemicals or putting them onto watch lists, you just walk up the chemical tree to find the next precursor, and although it takes more effort, it means obtaining sources in huge quantities with zero risk since the DEA don't know what those precursors are, or at least can't stop them being sold without fucking with every other industry on the planet. Same with useful code.

Most law enforcement organisations are spending some time talking about the need for "cyber unit" or "cyber command" to focus on this sort of thing, rather than getting each officer across the issue.  We should be able to take advantage of this.

When you see street deals being made with Casascius physical Bitcoins then you know the market we've reached the point of affecting external black markets.

https://www.casascius.com/

I think the nature of facing a truly effective foe, for the first time, would be so detrimental to morale that it would take an entirely new generation of cops to stand up and be counted. Most of the rest would flake out. Even in the FBI there are few serious contenders tech-wise. And their work I'm sure is mostly occupied, as it should be really, in tracking down tens of thousands of pedophiles on just this one network.

Sure, they establish cyber units. It's not as if it was a choice, it was economical to do so. They have done so already at certain special HQs in the USA and Europe. Who cares.  It's not as if SR is even the biggest game in town by a long shot seriously, there are fraudsters and carders extracting tens of billions off the clearnet. Just the RBN network alone! Jesus! We just happen to be publicly accessible here, that is all. Any move against SR is a political move, not a economical use of (scarce) resources.

On the other subject, it's interesting, but there is somewhat of an artificial bottleneck at the moment that makes it difficult for external black markets to adopt (idiot proof) bitcoin cash outs. Unless shopkeepers start accepting casascius! I think the way the black market will be affected by SR and Bitcoin is going to be somewhat different to this. I think SR and similar institutions will ultimately allow vertically integrated business models to exist for the first time in recent history outside of some grow-ops. I think the price point will be so damn good that the darknet black markets will swallow up the traditional black markets and hollow them out. That's a decade long process, but I'm as sure of this as I have been of anything.

In short, I think the traditional black market will go into terminal decline in the long run with 99% of drug dealers losing their incomes, even to the point of the distribution network collapsing entirely in some areas, except for possibly h and cocaine (I think those will also collapse actually... but for a different fun reason I cannot elaborate on). The synthetics will triumph in the end I think, vertically integrated industry, anonymous networks and the mail services/dead drops. A new era of peace, temp unemployment, incredible riches for those agile enough to see it coming, huge harm reduction and better prices for consumers. If the management of some of the Cartels are smart enough to see it that will speed up the process, and if the politicians are intelligent enough to look out for the big picture so they stomp on Customs, then it could be a terrific grand bargain.

As for Topix and mainstream drug distribution networks, I believe they will eventually go the way of the dinosaur. SR has shown there is an enormous competitive advantage to the darknet economy because of the possibility of creating contracts, rules, expected standards of behavior for the entire market. This changes everything. This network, not tor or bitcoin, but ourselves, is going to set a standard for decades to come, things will never be the same.

You're such an idealist, Pine.  That's what I like about you.  :)

Somebody has to be. Besides, although the current economic situation is grim for this world, in the long term you have to believe in humanity to triumph over stupidity and stagnation. I mean there's evidence for it. We've had close on 400 years of progress in the West, and today the Asian subcontinent + China and Africa are streamrolling onto a better economic trajectory, so finally the rest of the human race as caught up with the basic rules that made the West powerful. Sure we have problems, but I mean come on!

I mean, we could have World War III tomorrow, and that could make me look completely like slack jawed yokel with regard to the bigger picture. But I think even then a WWIII would not resemble anything like WWII, and as an overall percentage of world population, fewer would die, I think future wars will be very decentralized affairs indeed, hit & run, assassinations, selective intense bouts of violence in order to prevent resource destruction, zomg blackhelicopters in many cases and so on.

Or it could be like The Road. But that's not a line of thought that leads to much productivity.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 28, 2012, 07:55 am
Small question on the side. When you generate a key using GnuPG 1.4.11 for Linux then you can use an encryption strength anywhere between 1024 and 4096 bits, and default is 2048 bits.

What should be a minimum, and when is it overkill?

There's no such thing as "overkill" only "open fire" and "I need to reload!"

2048-bit should be the minimum, the maximum should depend on your threat model and configuration.  If you use a GPG card reader then you may be restricted to a maximum size of 3072-bit, otherwise 4096-bit should be fine.

It is possible to go beyond 4096-bit, but requires some customisation and what most people would consider more advanced skills.  It is not usually recommended to do it and by the time it may be needed we should all be using GPG 2.1.x and ECC keys anyway.

Note: GPG 2.1.x is still in beta and from what I've been reading on gnupg-users recently is an absolute cunt to install at the moment, even for advanced users.  I'm not going to bother until it is stable and can be used by general users.

For comparitive key sizes between symmetric ciphers, asymmetric ciphers and ECC check the NIST recommendations:

http://www.keylength.com/en/4/
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 28, 2012, 07:58 am
Small question on the side. When you generate a key using GnuPG 1.4.11 for Linux then you can use an encryption strength anywhere between 1024 and 4096 bits, and default is 2048 bits.

What should be a minimum, and when is it overkill?

Pine is unfamiliar with the concept of this "overkill" you mention.

8192 bit keys FTW!

16384 bit keys! More! More! More!

:D

Yes, but 4096-bit is fine for SR.  Even for vendors.

Nobody should use key sizes larger than that unless they really know what they're doing and why.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 28, 2012, 08:01 am
I agree, but most people on this thread are learning to use it for the first time and haven't yet reached the point of verifying a file by the signature.  Hopefully we'll get to that.

Let me try to introduce the topic. At least one message will be enough.

Good work!  +1 Karma for that.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 28, 2012, 08:15 am
And don't forget to sign DPR's public key before verifying a signed message by him folks.

I won't be doing that until he starts exhibiting greater OpenPGP understanding.  See my response to his backup URL threads where I verified the signature.

A thought on more sophisticated PGP tech beyond simply knowing how to encrypt and decrypt.

Is it possible to create a PGP encrypted message that is designed be Timestamp sensitive?

You'd need to create your own OpenPGP implementation.  It may be possible to write the relevant code as an extension to GPG.

Now, I know what you're going to say: the PGP software needs to know the time... And that you could always simply change the clock on your computer to suit yourself.

However, imagine a bunch of servers that exist to tell you the time, they already exist. Now, what if those servers were arranged into a web of trust network communicating the Timestamp with your PGP software via signed encrypted messaging?

The function would need to be aware of NTP servers and maintain connections to them in order to decrypt the messages that are encrypted this way.  It may also require these connections when encrypting data.  Some users may then be unable to perform those functions if their threat assessment requires encryption and decryption be performed offline.  So it would have to be optional.

There have been PGP timestamp services where a message (usually encrypted) would be sent to another server which signs the message to provide an independently verifiable timestamp of when the message was created.  That's solely for verification of file creation and does not provide the kind of functions you described.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 28, 2012, 09:14 am
Also it's fun to imagine the collective brains of journalists implode when they try to grapple with the concept of human rights being protected and lives being saved by drug dealers.

A bonus! I ♥ bonuses! Mooooooar le brainzzz *slurp* -- zombiepine

I thought you'd like that.  ;)

The initial investment of time/energy/money however, I am convinced has to come from ourselves, we can't just simply wait to things to come along. To use the old hack sailing metaphor, it's all very well to be blown by the wind, but you have to also take the initiative and set your sails in order to influence outcomes. I am so busy myself, I simply cannot envisage a time inside of a year when I'll have enough opportunity, but it has to be done nonetheless.
We all have busy schedules and there's an awful lot of work to be done.

Sure, but the SpeakEasy Project has led the way, so that's an inspiration:

http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/anonymousanon/sfp/forum.html

It certainly looks interesting, but I'd have to go through it in a little more detail and I don't have that kind of time right now.  It'll have to wait at least a month or two.

Many parts of the system have already been exhaustively argued about and at least a first design draft exists on paper. We don't have the code, but I think a fresh collection of eyes commanding the project would do it a world of good to get it off the ground. Thing is about most programmers, is they they are infamous procrastinators! I have the impression SE is basically stalling because of paralysis by analysis & perfectionism not to mention disillusionment with the two programmers fucking off halfway through the project twice and in two different languages (java and then ruby). If your typical manager know-nothing about code was running the show like a typical deliverable, then it would have been off the shop floor months ago. Buggy as fuck, but at least partially crystallized into a real thing with a bunch of bitching coders trying to stuff the most obvious holes in it asap with updates and two fingers to the boss.

Coders generally only dive into things of their own volition when they've been hit by the fire to solve a nagging problem or produce something they want for themselves.  Otherwise it usually requires a carrot and stick approach where the carrot is usually cash and the stick is usually a project manager.

In short, there is something to be said for ignorance, arrogance even. Look at the Tor Project. Those guys surely didn't have a fucking clue what they were facing with respect to the social/political ramifications when they started that project for sure. But they grew into it. That's kinda how high risk projects have to be. You kind of need a controlled way to fuck up repeatedly and recover from it. Knowing too much can make you indecisive.

Yep, that's pretty much right on the money.

tldr; I think agile works better because it fits human nature more so than a waterfall.

Yes, that's why I think a modular design would be important.  That way different coders can develop those parts which they are best suited to creating.

Maybe if SR had a prize, like the X-Prize, then the best hackers and vendors could auction for achieving results in software. I mean, we spend a great deal of time trying to obtain money and security, but we also have to look at the bigger picture if everything is ultimately going to pay off in the end. It's a classic problem of short-termism that afflicts myself and many others.

Perhaps, but I'm not sure that keeping development within SR is the ideal method.  I don't think there are enough coders with the skill to achieve the intended result.  That's why I think you need to find a reason to create something similar that people out in the world would want to support it for in order to take advantage of the intelligence and skill of people who wouldn't normally support our interests.

Absolutely. In fact the se project was at least partially doing that I think. I mean, I'm serious when I say there's only like 400 good cryptographers in the world, we can't have them all on a payroll, open source is superior. However I'd like to involve one or two genius research mathematicians I know, to throw something entirely novel into the equation so to speak, just for kicks, lulz.

I know one or two of them, but luring them in would be ... problematic.

Key problem is that LE know by now that something like SE is going to roll off the factory floor, so they are keeping their eyes peeled for interesting projects that seem parallel to that. Yup, I am that paranoid. I would avoid any interesting projects that are too convincingly useful for this reason. Because that's what I would do to get me :)

That's to be expected.

There are ways to get around that, though.  Partially with pseudonymity and anonymity and partially to do with human nature.  I'll PM you something on the latter.

This implies we have got to reduce a new se down to it's constituent components, spend a lot of time in the libraries, and act like bees collecting the nectar from various open source projects (to steal a metaphor from Strike!). It's just like how it is with the DEA banning certain chemicals or putting them onto watch lists, you just walk up the chemical tree to find the next precursor, and although it takes more effort, it means obtaining sources in huge quantities with zero risk since the DEA don't know what those precursors are, or at least can't stop them being sold without fucking with every other industry on the planet. Same with useful code.

Again, this is where a modular system can help.  Once the framework is in place the necessary modules can be produced relatively independently.  Drupal is designed this way, but probably wouldn't be the best solution for this project.

Most law enforcement organisations are spending some time talking about the need for "cyber unit" or "cyber command" to focus on this sort of thing, rather than getting each officer across the issue.  We should be able to take advantage of this.

I think the nature of facing a truly effective foe, for the first time, would be so detrimental to morale that it would take an entirely new generation of cops to stand up and be counted. Most of the rest would flake out. Even in the FBI there are few serious contenders tech-wise. And their work I'm sure is mostly occupied, as it should be really, in tracking down tens of thousands of pedophiles on just this one network.

I'd be a lot happier if they dedicated themselves entirely to that pursuit instead of going after people who choose to do drugs themselves.  I'm all for dissolving the DEA and replacing it with the PEA.

Sure, they establish cyber units. It's not as if it was a choice, it was economical to do so. They have done so already at certain special HQs in the USA and Europe. Who cares.  It's not as if SR is even the biggest game in town by a long shot seriously, there are fraudsters and carders extracting tens of billions off the clearnet. Just the RBN network alone! Jesus! We just happen to be publicly accessible here, that is all. Any move against SR is a political move, not a economical use of (scarce) resources.

That is absolutely right.  Organised crime syndicates in Eastern Europe make more money in a month than the entire Bitcoin market cap, let alone the fraction of that which is the SR trade.

On the other subject, it's interesting, but there is somewhat of an artificial bottleneck at the moment that makes it difficult for external black markets to adopt (idiot proof) bitcoin cash outs. Unless shopkeepers start accepting casascius! I think the way the black market will be affected by SR and Bitcoin is going to be somewhat different to this. I think SR and similar institutions will ultimately allow vertically integrated business models to exist for the first time in recent history outside of some grow-ops. I think the price point will be so damn good that the darknet black markets will swallow up the traditional black markets and hollow them out. That's a decade long process, but I'm as sure of this as I have been of anything.

You're right, SR will be more likely to affect street prices before it reaches a point where BTC are used by the general public.  That doesn't look too likely at this stage.

As for shopkeepers, they will generally see tax related problems with accepting a currency that is not the currency of their region (i.e. state backed or the EUR).

In short, I think the traditional black market will go into terminal decline in the long run with 99% of drug dealers losing their incomes, even to the point of the distribution network collapsing entirely in some areas, except for possibly h and cocaine (I think those will also collapse actually... but for a different fun reason I cannot elaborate on). The synthetics will triumph in the end I think, vertically integrated industry, anonymous networks and the mail services/dead drops. A new era of peace, temp unemployment, incredible riches for those agile enough to see it coming, huge harm reduction and better prices for consumers. If the management of some of the Cartels are smart enough to see it that will speed up the process, and if the politicians are intelligent enough to look out for the big picture so they stomp on Customs, then it could be a terrific grand bargain.

If that happens then it will be a *long* way off.

As for Topix and mainstream drug distribution networks, I believe they will eventually go the way of the dinosaur. SR has shown there is an enormous competitive advantage to the darknet economy because of the possibility of creating contracts, rules, expected standards of behavior for the entire market. This changes everything. This network, not tor or bitcoin, but ourselves, is going to set a standard for decades to come, things will never be the same.

You're such an idealist, Pine.  That's what I like about you.  :)

Somebody has to be.

Heh.

Besides, although the current economic situation is grim for this world, in the long term you have to believe in humanity to triumph over stupidity and stagnation. I mean there's evidence for it. We've had close on 400 years of progress in the West, and today the Asian subcontinent + China and Africa are streamrolling onto a better economic trajectory, so finally the rest of the human race as caught up with the basic rules that made the West powerful. Sure we have problems, but I mean come on!

Yep, it is likely to be better for the whole world in the long term, but there will be a lot of ugliness before then.

I mean, we could have World War III tomorrow, and that could make me look completely like slack jawed yokel with regard to the bigger picture. But I think even then a WWIII would not resemble anything like WWII, and as an overall percentage of world population, fewer would die, I think future wars will be very decentralized affairs indeed, hit & run, assassinations, selective intense bouts of violence in order to prevent resource destruction, zomg blackhelicopters in many cases and so on.

We already have that.  It's called The War on Terror.  More like The War of Terror, though, or was mentioned in a few places when it began, The War on Terra.

Or it could be like The Road. But that's not a line of thought that leads to much productivity.

Crazy people with nukes and bio-weapons.  A lot of people are still understandably afraid of that.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 28, 2012, 10:07 am
After the hash value of the message is computed, it is encrypted using the signer's private key, and anybody can check the signature using the public key.
you win today's gold star, you're literally the first person i've seen on this board that knows how signing is done, and how ridiculously counter-intuitive it is :P

Yeah, I remember first reading about and thinking, "WTF?!  How does that not compromise my secret key?"  Then I read more.

Sure, but the SpeakEasy Project has led the way, so that's an inspiration:

http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/anonymousanon/sfp/forum.html

It certainly looks interesting, but I'd have to go through it in a little more detail and I don't have that kind of time right now.  It'll have to wait at least a month or two.

that design document is VERY old, and was rejected by security experts.

Good to know.

there were several iterations after that such as http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/se3/ which were also rejected.

Noted.  Also good to know.

i think the entire project is dead for other reasons though, the person who's made it his life's work to finish this told me on this board before that he thinks that nobody in the online drug scene has the skills to finish this, and that it should be designed by security professionals for all of mankind, not by drug vendors for only other drug vendors

I agree completely.  That's essentially why I suggested earlier in this thread that another reason for creating it would be needed (e.g. human rights) so that it could be developed on the clearnet and tap into the knowledge available to the wider world.

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In short, there is something to be said for ignorance, arrogance even. Look at the Tor Project. Those guys surely didn't have a fucking clue what they were facing with respect to the social/political ramifications when they started that project for sure.
arma was an nsa agent, i'm sure he knew what he was doing ;)

Heh.  COMSEC or COMINT?  ;)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 28, 2012, 11:03 am
that design document is VERY old, and was rejected by security experts. there were several iterations after that such as http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/se3/ which were also rejected.

I just looked at the first table on that link.  I can see why it was rejected.  I'd've been opposed solely based on the reliance on BCPG for the encryption library.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 28, 2012, 08:41 pm
I just looked at the first table on that link.  I can see why it was rejected.  I'd've been opposed solely based on the reliance on BCPG for the encryption library.
that's an implementation wrinkle, my understanding was that the design itself was flawed

Which is exactly the kind of analysis I don't really have the time for at the moment.  You're right, though, BCPG could be replaced with GPG by a C coder of sufficient proficiency.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: paxpax on July 28, 2012, 10:19 pm
Hey Pine and Club, please decrypt

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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eBDdwUGU55gT
=nOjQ
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Also Please send me a msg using public key:

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 28, 2012, 10:28 pm
Hey Pine and Club, please decrypt

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: DigiPimp on July 29, 2012, 02:39 am
Pine,

My key is in the message.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: nate25 on July 29, 2012, 02:40 am
whats the different between my public key and my privite key???
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 29, 2012, 02:45 am
Pine,

My key is in the message.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 29, 2012, 02:47 am
whats the different between my public key and my privite key???

The public key is used to encrypt messages and verify signatures, it can be freely distributed.

The private key is used to decrypt messages that are encrypted with the corresponding public key and make signatures, it must be absolutely secret and accessed with a strong passphrase.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: magicliftoff on July 29, 2012, 02:50 am
Hello, does anyone want to send me a message with their public key, and then I will send you a message back? Thanks

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 29, 2012, 02:56 am
Hello, does anyone want to send me a message with their public key, and then I will send you a message back? Thanks

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: DigiPimp on July 29, 2012, 03:00 am
Pine,

My key is in the message.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: magicliftoff on July 29, 2012, 03:11 am
Hello, does anyone want to send me a message with their public key, and then I will send you a message back? Thanks

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 4tron on July 29, 2012, 04:10 am
Many thanks to Pine, Guru, Louis and the other axe guys. Love your work!

@ Pine
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 29, 2012, 04:56 am
For magicliftoff:

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 29, 2012, 09:19 am
whats the different between my public key and my privite key???
The idea of asymmetric encryption (that's what PGP is), is that you have two keys, key A and key B.

Something that's encrypted with key A, can be decrypted with key B.
(And also vice versa, if you encrypt something with key B, it can be decrypted with key A)

Now you make key A public, everybody can have it. This is your public key.
Key B you keep secret, only you know it, and you don't share it with anyone.

Now you can do two interesting things:

1) Encryption. If somebody wants to write you a secret message, he can encrypt it with key A, your public key. Then he can send the message to you, and only you can decrypt it, because only you have key B. This way the information is secret if the message is intercepted.

2) Signing. You can also encrypt a message with key B, your private key. This does not help to keep the information secret, because everybody can decrypt it with key A, the public key. However it does something else.
Because if the public can decrypt the message using key A, they know for sure it was encrypted using key B (your private key). This means that we can be sure that it was you who released the message, and nobody else, because only you have Key B, so only you could have encrypted the message.

That is also very useful, because in that way, you can always be sure you are dealing with the same person in this anonymous world.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: wanna-be on July 29, 2012, 09:27 am
1. did you mount the usb drive?
2. perhaps someone else can clarify, but I imagine emailing keys in general is not a secure practice.
3. files/directories with a period at the beginning are hidden. control-h in nautilus to show.
1. No. What does mount mean?
2. I'd like to know, as well.
3. I think I get the word "hidden."  What is nautilus?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 4tron on July 29, 2012, 10:56 am
1. You should know this ;D
2. Public key is ok
3. A submarine you can't see.

 ;D

Just messin with 'ya :)

When you view files with your editor, control H would show the hidden ones. I'm new and having problems myself so maybe the axe guys could be more specific.

peace :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: goofus on July 29, 2012, 06:47 pm
For Pine, thanks for the laughs RDRsquared (R D R R = hardy har har)



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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: conj10 on July 30, 2012, 12:37 am
Hey Pine,

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I hope I've got this right...   :o


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: paxpax on July 30, 2012, 12:56 am
Could someone help me test my tormail encryption?

Please post your tormail address, feel free to encrypt it using my public key as listed in my sig.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: StenoJ on July 30, 2012, 02:51 am
Thanks Pine for all the help.  ;D Looking forward to being safe and hope others follow suit.

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Christy Nugs on July 30, 2012, 03:17 am
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

Just sticky this thread already!!

:P
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 30, 2012, 04:47 am
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

Just sticky this thread already!!

:P

I'll second this!  :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 30, 2012, 05:39 am
Could someone help me test my tormail encryption?

Please post your tormail address, feel free to encrypt it using my public key as listed in my sig.

Done.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 07:52 am
Quote
In short, there is something to be said for ignorance, arrogance even. Look at the Tor Project. Those guys surely didn't have a fucking clue what they were facing with respect to the social/political ramifications when they started that project for sure.
arma was an nsa agent, i'm sure he knew what he was doing ;)
Heh.  COMSEC or COMINT?  ;)

So I do some research and find arma seemingly agrees with me on most things. Must be some kind of badass! ;) :D :P
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 08:04 am
Please send me a msg using public key:


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 08:09 am
Pine,

My key is in the message.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 08:20 am
whats the different between my public key and my privite key???

The public key is used to encrypt messages and verify signatures, it can be freely distributed.

The private key is used to decrypt messages that are encrypted with the corresponding public key and make signatures, it must be absolutely secret and accessed with a strong passphrase.

Yes, and Nate although terminology like 'private key' and 'public key' might sound like some techno-wizardry incantation, in reality it's nothing of the kind and is very simple.

To imagine it metaphorically, a public key is like your username for a webmail service like hotmail/gmail/yahoo. e.g. nate@yahoo.com or so. Clearly people can only communicate with you if they have your email address.

You can give that to anybody, it doesn't matter who has it.

A private key then, is your password for that webmail service. You keep that to yourself. Otherwise anybody could login and read your emails!

A full PGP key is like the username/password pair for a website. You need both to login just like you need both the public key and private key to make PGP work.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 08:32 am
Hello, does anyone want to send me a message with their public key, and then I will send you a message back? Thanks

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 08:44 am
Many thanks to Pine, Guru, Louis and the other axe guys. Love your work!

@ Pine
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 08:48 am
whats the different between my public key and my privite key???
The idea of asymmetric encryption (that's what PGP is), is that you have two keys, key A and key B.

Something that's encrypted with key A, can be decrypted with key B.
(And also vice versa, if you encrypt something with key B, it can be decrypted with key A)

Now you make key A public, everybody can have it. This is your public key.
Key B you keep secret, only you know it, and you don't share it with anyone.

Now you can do two interesting things:

1) Encryption. If somebody wants to write you a secret message, he can encrypt it with key A, your public key. Then he can send the message to you, and only you can decrypt it, because only you have key B. This way the information is secret if the message is intercepted.

2) Signing. You can also encrypt a message with key B, your private key. This does not help to keep the information secret, because everybody can decrypt it with key A, the public key. However it does something else.
Because if the public can decrypt the message using key A, they know for sure it was encrypted using key B (your private key). This means that we can be sure that it was you who released the message, and nobody else, because only you have Key B, so only you could have encrypted the message.

That is also very useful, because in that way, you can always be sure you are dealing with the same person in this anonymous world.

Correct! karma++ attack! :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 09:04 am
1. did you mount the usb drive?
2. perhaps someone else can clarify, but I imagine emailing keys in general is not a secure practice.
3. files/directories with a period at the beginning are hidden. control-h in nautilus to show.
1. No. What does mount mean?
2. I'd like to know, as well.
3. I think I get the word "hidden."  What is nautilus?

1. A file system on your computer reassembles a map of a tree. When you mount something, you are attaching another file system to a twig/branch/trunk of that tree. Windows users will be familiar with finding a flash drive in 'Computer' which have labels like E:\ or F:\ and so on. But you can attach a filesystem on a flash drive/CD-ROM/HD to any part of the filesystem on your computer, this is what 'mounting' refers to. Sometimes it happens automatically, it depends on how your operating system is configured.

2. Emailing your private key or full PGP key, absolutely not. But you can email your public key. The reason why cryptographers designed the RSA and other algorithms is that they *expected* the public keys to fall into the hands of the enemy, that's a default assumption.

Nonetheless there is a caveat, you should use 1 PGP public key for the Silk Road to give to vendors. You should not use that public key on the clearweb just in case. This is not because it will allow LE to decrypt your messages, but because it could be used to de-anonymize you.

3. Nautilus is a commonly used file system viewer on linux machines. Windows uses a file system viewer called windows exploder, I'm sure you've seen it in action before because anytime you open a window to look at files/folders you're using it. There is an option in the File menu somewhere, properties I think, that allows you to turn off the hidden files option.

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 09:15 am
For Pine, thanks for the laughs RDRsquared (R D R R = hardy har har)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 09:19 am
Hey Pine,
I hope I've got this right...   :o

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 30, 2012, 09:21 am
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

Just sticky this thread already!!

:P

Yes!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 30, 2012, 09:53 am
Thanks Pine. I agree it should be a sticky. Or even better, a dedicated PGP sub-forum.

But until that happens, we just keep posting here, so that it's on the first page every day.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: RandomFellow on July 30, 2012, 10:16 am
It is not PGP per se that is the problem. I am a very experienced user of many bits of obscure and technical software. The problem with PGP is the apps required to use it. I have never seen such over engineered clunky rubbish put up as some kind of consumer product. They are mostly awful, invasive and unfriendly.. If people insist on using it over Tor (which is redundant in my view) then the simplest I found is Gpg4win.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 30, 2012, 10:55 am
It is not PGP per se that is the problem. I am a very experienced user of many bits of obscure and technical software. The problem with PGP is the apps required to use it. I have never seen such over engineered clunky rubbish put up as some kind of consumer product. They are mostly awful, invasive and unfriendly.. If people insist on using it over Tor (which is redundant in my view) then the simplest I found is Gpg4win.

GPG isn't clunky.  Complex, to be sure, but not clunky.

Some of the GUIs available for it are another matter entirely, they can get a bit horrible, but they can also be entirely circumvented by utilising the command line (which is true for both GPG and PGP, which are different programs and most people here use GPG).

There are aspects that may never be as "user friendly" as the typical Windows user might like, but that's the in the nature of as sophisticated a topic as public key cryptography using asymmetric key pairs.  There is continuous work to make it easier, but that's a process.  Quick fixes have the drawback of introducing unintended security flaws, which is to be avoided.

Don't believe me?  Go and read the source code for GPG and then try to tell me where the "over engineered clunky rubbish" is.

You're assumption that Tor, which also uses encryption, renders GPG redundant is based on the premise that all the servers you interact with on Tor are secure enough to store sensitive data (such as your real name and address), potentially indefinitely.  This assumption places a level of trust in these servers (e.g. Silk Road servers, Tor Mail servers, etc.) which may or may not be valid, since there is no independent security audit to verify them there's no way of knowing how data is stored, for how long it is stored and how securely data is deleted if and/or when that occurs.  Under these circumstances utilising the level of encryption available to OpenPGP compliant systems is not redundant, it is desirable.

Finally, as the name suggests, GPG4Win is a Windows only port of GPG 2.0.x and is not a solution for a lot of people here.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Mr Mealpart on July 30, 2012, 05:46 pm
Hi Pine

I'm trying to get to grips with PGP

hope this is right  :P

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: conj10 on July 31, 2012, 02:56 am
Hey Pine,
I hope I've got this right...   :o

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Elmo on July 31, 2012, 05:01 am
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Thanks!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: real pharmaceuticals on July 31, 2012, 12:18 pm
Please can any one help me

I am in a mess , yesterday i received an order on my vendors account , i tried to use open pgp but kept saying it was not a valid key, so i thought i would install pgp desktop for mac, so i did then it needed a restart , then it gave me no entry sign to , i tried everything disk repair etc , so i switched hard drive and put an old 40 gb hard drive in mac , and that works fine, i put my main hard drive in to a usb enclosure and everything is there it just wont be used as a start up disk , so annoying i am really stuck for what has gone wrong kept saying ard agent has been modified. I am very fortunate that i run my business from a usb thumb stick so orders will not be affected .  just want my main hard drive back in my mac . If anyone has got help ? I am sure it has something to do with PGP desktop  and ard agent .
Kind regards
RP
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 31, 2012, 12:28 pm
Please can any one help me

I am in a mess , yesterday i received an order on my vendors account , i tried to use open pgp but kept saying it was not a valid key, so i thought i would install pgp desktop for mac, so i did then it needed a restart , then it gave me no entry sign to , i tried everything disk repair etc , so i switched hard drive and put an old 40 gb hard drive in mac , and that works fine, i put my main hard drive in to a usb enclosure and everything is there it just wont be used as a start up disk , so annoying i am really stuck for what has gone wrong kept saying ard agent has been modified. I am very fortunate that i run my business from a usb thumb stick so orders will not be affected .  just want my main hard drive back in my mac . If anyone has got help ? I am sure it has something to do with PGP desktop  and ard agent .

Where did you get this copy of PGP Desktop.  Did it actually come from pgp.com or is it an older version from pgpi.com (which predates the switch to Intel hardware by Apple)?

I really hope you didn't get it from a torrent or some other site because anything could be planted in it.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: real pharmaceuticals on July 31, 2012, 01:33 pm
Hello I have had a 2009 version of pgp on my  secoundary back up nas drive for some time , i used that , i have had it installed before but uninstalled it due to disk permissions errors, so now i will just have to bite the bullet and reformat just glad i can copy my pictures and music over first , thank fully  my business not affected as its all run from thumb flash file . Unless you can think of anything else i can do .
Kind regards
RP
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 31, 2012, 01:43 pm
Hello I have had a 2009 version of pgp on my  secoundary back up nas drive for some time , i used that , i have had it installed before but uninstalled it due to disk permissions errors, so now i will just have to bite the bullet and reformat just glad i can copy my pictures and music over first , thank fully  my business not affected as its all run from thumb flash file . Unless you can think of anything else i can do .

If it's a properly licensed copy you can try contacting PGP directly to see if it is a known issue and, if so, what the solution is.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LIGHTFLOWER on July 31, 2012, 06:07 pm
Hi this message is for Pine. :)
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LIGHTFLOWER on July 31, 2012, 06:45 pm
Could someone send me a message? :)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: FriendlyNeighbour on July 31, 2012, 07:39 pm
Could someone send me a message? :)

Check your mail :). Hope it works, its the first one I ever send so I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: random0 on July 31, 2012, 08:32 pm
Let's assume bigbro is filtering e-mails and looks for PGP messages, to flag and monitor email addresses.
Public keys and coded blocks are easy to catch because of the header.
If the headers are removed is it still easy to tell from the remaining coded block that it's in fact a coded block? Is it still easy for them to flag headerless PGP messages as encrypted?
Is there any reason for me to remove the headers, or should I just rely on the fact that I use those email accounts anonymously, so even if they monitor me all they get is pgp messages accessed form the Tor network.

Is there an easy way to use steganography?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: jimmyg on July 31, 2012, 08:35 pm
Hey PGP Club!

Any members online that wouldn't mind taking a sec to tell me if I'm using PGP properly? It'd be much appreciated.

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: motacwa on July 31, 2012, 08:35 pm
   Sorry in advance if I am asking some silly irrelevant questions but I am new here.  I will be here for a long time and feel so Blessed to be a part of SR.  Although I am confused I think is a great thing because this is a private community.  I really want to make a Public key and use the advantages that are here.  I will use the privatnote for now to make some of my very important first orders, but really want to use the PGP.  So any help for someone who is brand new to it would be great.  Thank you guys, I want to be as protected as possible and as stealth as possible.  I am not running windows.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: happyroller1234 on July 31, 2012, 08:36 pm
If only GPGTools hadn't gone fucking schizo on me...  :'(
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 31, 2012, 08:37 pm
Could someone send me a message? :)
Here you go:

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on July 31, 2012, 09:15 pm
Hey PGP Club!

Any members online that wouldn't mind taking a sec to tell me if I'm using PGP properly? It'd be much appreciated.
Welcome :) Sure thing. What is your point of doubt? Do you have GPG software working?

   Sorry in advance if I am asking some silly irrelevant questions but I am new here.  I will be here for a long time and feel so Blessed to be a part of SR.  Although I am confused I think is a great thing because this is a private community.  I really want to make a Public key and use the advantages that are here.  I will use the privatnote for now to make some of my very important first orders, but really want to use the PGP.  So any help for someone who is brand new to it would be great.  Thank you guys, I want to be as protected as possible and as stealth as possible.  I am not running windows.
What operating system are you running?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on July 31, 2012, 09:19 pm
An interesting way of using steganography in the open is where you use PGP encryption as per usual, and then you use some crappy encryption over that. This way, you are not hiding that you are using encryption, only that you're using effective encryption. This thwarts an LE agent's ability to put value judgements on targets in a network while wasting lots of their energy.

Situation dependent of course. I think the most effective steganography is where you have control over some public area online or offline so that there's a one to many relationship to those recieving the message, only that not everybody knows how to interpret it correctly. Examples: radio broadcasting, advertisements, torrents etc.

P.S. I am replying to all my messages, it is just taking some time due to the volume, so please be patient :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: jimmyg on July 31, 2012, 09:49 pm
I want to give a shout out to my man eJ3k1... A pgp hero who took the time to help out a pgp zero!

Thanks a million
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: soralangg on July 31, 2012, 10:41 pm
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: random0 on July 31, 2012, 10:58 pm
Can  steganography save me from being flagged as a crypto user? Because that would be my goal.
I would tell my pen pal that I will use stegano, because he have to know that obviously. Then send my public key steganographed.
From the outside it would look like people sending funny pictures back and forth.

The big question is: can they spot amd filter out steganography from emails?
I think it's harder to make a filter for possible steganographed messages than spotting out encrypted messages, or am I in the dark?
Any good methods or realible softwares to use?
I hope I'm not too offtopic.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: WhiskeyontheRocks on August 01, 2012, 03:47 am
Does this work Pine or did I fail?


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 08:06 am
Let's assume bigbro is filtering e-mails and looks for PGP messages, to flag and monitor email addresses.

It is.  Google "ECHELON" sometime.  The Five Eyes nations (US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) have been working on hoovering up everything for decades.

Whether or not they flag every address that uses OpenPGP is another question, but that would be a lot of email addresses.

Public keys and coded blocks are easy to catch because of the header.

Yep.

If the headers are removed is it still easy to tell from the remaining coded block that it's in fact a coded block? Is it still easy for them to flag headerless PGP messages as encrypted?

Good question.  Just a tic ...

Okay, GPG won't recognise ciphertext if the PGP header and footer have been removed.  The error message when using pgpdump is:

Quote
pgpdump: can't find PGP armor boundary.

The error message when using gpg --list-packets is:

Quote
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: processing message failed: eof

I'm not sure about other software.

Is there any reason for me to remove the headers, or should I just rely on the fact that I use those email accounts anonymously, so even if they monitor me all they get is pgp messages accessed form the Tor network.

I wouldn't bother removing the headers, it would make things too difficult for others contacting you who didn't know what you were up to.  Better to use tools like Tor to provide your anonymity and remember that GPG's role is to secure communications.

Is there an easy way to use steganography?

Within GPG, no.  There's nothing stopping you from using steganography on a ciphertext to hide an encrypted message in a picture or whatever.  Before you consider it, though, I suggest reading some of the recent threads on gnupg-users about layering encryption algorithms like AES, Twofish and Serpent.  Pay particular attention to posts from Robert J. Hansen, David Shaw, Daniel Kahn Gillmor and, of course, Werner Koch.  There are a bunch of other clued-in people there, but those are the big names.

You can, however hide who the recipients of a message are so that even, though someone can intercept a message and see that it is encrypted to a number of keys, they cannot see which keys those are.  There is a (command line) guide on how to do this here:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=29235.0
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 08:22 am
Hello I have had a 2009 version of pgp on my  secoundary back up nas drive for some time , i used that , i have had it installed before but uninstalled it due to disk permissions errors, so now i will just have to bite the bullet and reformat just glad i can copy my pictures and music over first , thank fully  my business not affected as its all run from thumb flash file . Unless you can think of anything else i can do .

If it's a properly licensed copy you can try contacting PGP directly to see if it is a known issue and, if so, what the solution is.

I don't know if I trust PGP as much as I used to. When Phil Zimmermann was involved, the company had some integrity. Now that Zimmermann and some of the original founders are long gone, and particularly since Symantec purchased PGP, I must admit to having reservations about it. 

I don't think I do either, especially now that Jon Callas has left to rejoin Phil on Silent Circle.

Kevin Mitnick tweeted in January 2012 that he didn't trust PGP anymore either. He mentioned a product marketed by Symantec in the very early days, Diskreet. Diskreet was said to have the full 56-bit DES cipher stength -- this was back in the early 1980s when DES was still considered hot stuff.  Mitnick commented that he had the full source code for Diskreet, and that the cipher strength was 30-bits, not the full 56-bits as claimed by Symantec.

That's really quite bad.

I remember when this originally came out back in the day, it was a real scandal.

You're showing your age.  ;)

Here's what Mitnick tweeted, and an excerpt from one of his books:

Symantec now owns PGP. When they marketed Diskreet, they lied. It wasn't 56 bit DES as they claimed. It was 30 bits (yes, I had the src)

https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/154430915475542017

I remember a similar mistake made by a programmer at Norton (before Symantec bought them) that worked on their Diskreet product, an application that allowed a user to create encrypted virtual drives. The developer implemented the algorithm incorrectly — or perhaps intentionally — in a way that resulted in reducing the space for the encryption key from 56 bits to 30. The federal government’s data encryption standard used a 56-bit key, which was considered unbreakable, and Norton gave its customers the sense that their data was protected to this standard. Because of the programmer’s error, the user’s data was in effect being encrypted with only 30 bits instead of 56. Even in those days, it was possible to brute-force a 30-bit key. Any person using this product labored under a false sense of security: An attacker could derive his or her key in a reasonable period and gain access to the user’s data. The team had discovered the same kind of error in the programming of the machine.

... excerpted from the book titled "The Art of Intrusion: The Real Stories Behind the Exploits of Hackers, Intruders & Deceivers" By Kevin D. Mitnick and William L. Simon, published by Wiley. ISBN: 0764569597; Published: March 2005; Pages: 288; Edition: 1st.

http://www.ethicalhacker.net/content/view/22/2/

Very nice, thanks.

I think the last version of PGP I used will still under the NAI banner and would have come from the old PGP International (pgpi.com) site.  I used that for quite a while before switching to GPG.  I now believe GPG has surpassed PGP.  Although at least the PGP source is still available for review, even if it is proprietary.  If that ever changes the uproar will be entertaining to watch.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 08:26 am
An interesting way of using steganography in the open is where you use PGP encryption as per usual, and then you use some crappy encryption over that. This way, you are not hiding that you are using encryption, only that you're using effective encryption. This thwarts an LE agent's ability to put value judgements on targets in a network while wasting lots of their energy.

That may not be as good an idea as you might think.  It is possible that one cipher might interact with another cipher in strange ways to make them both less secure.  Depending on the circumstances, the methods used and which ciphers.  There have been some interesting discussions on the gnupg-users mailing list recently on this very topic.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 08:39 am
I disagree with you, in the sense that you do not need to control the venue in which your messages are posted. Rather, what is needed is a publicly-available venue which contains a large amount of anonymized, strongly-encrypted message traffic. Such a venue already exists, and has for almost two decades -- the cypherpunks referred to it as an anonymous message pool. I am, of course, referring to the Usenet newsgroup alt.anonymous.messages (or a.a.m. for short).

I haven't used AAM for a while, probably should again soon.

A large number of anonymized, encrypted messages appear there each day. As the Subject: lines of the articles posted there are encrypted, one has to use software to retrieve one's messages from the anonymous message pool, such as AAMFetch.

Got any software suggestions that don't rely on Java and/or BCPG libraries?

I've been using a.a.m. for years as the target to which my anonymous email traffic is posted. The beauty of using a.a.m. for a destination, is that, even should the nymservers be raided, and my encrypted reply block fall into the hands of the authorities, they will only be able to use the information contained in the block to winnow my encrypted message traffic out of the pool. They will not be able to locate me, nor will they be able to ready my message traffic.

As the messages are widely distributed, available from dozens, if not hundreds, of providers worldwide, I can access my messages through a wide variety of sources, scattered all over the planet, unlike accessing a conventional email account, where one has to login to one particular provider.

That's always been one of the more appealing aspects of AAM.

There's really no telling how many completely concealed and untrackable transactions, whether it be for drugs, information, other contraband or other services have gone through there over the years.

If SR makes politicians and LE worry, AAM should make them shit bricks (even if it is almost certainly being used by spooks too).
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 01:03 pm
I disagree with you, in the sense that you do not need to control the venue in which your messages are posted. Rather, what is needed is a publicly-available venue which contains a large amount of anonymized, strongly-encrypted message traffic. Such a venue already exists, and has for almost two decades -- the cypherpunks referred to it as an anonymous message pool. I am, of course, referring to the Usenet newsgroup alt.anonymous.messages (or a.a.m. for short).

I haven't used AAM for a while, probably should again soon.

A large number of anonymized, encrypted messages appear there each day. As the Subject: lines of the articles posted there are encrypted, one has to use software to retrieve one's messages from the anonymous message pool, such as AAMFetch.

Got any software suggestions that don't rely on Java and/or BCPG libraries?

Nothing wrong with AAMFetch, even though it is written in Java. After all, you're running the .jar file from the command line on your own machine, e.g. java -jar aamfetch.jar

That's a good point, but I do wonder about how much of the BCPG stuff it uses.  I haven't seen much that's particularly impressive there.

I know you're not crazy about Java,

A bit of an understatement.

but it works... hard to argue with that.

It's always hard to argue with that.

Essentially, what it's doing is determining which messages in the anonymous messge pool (i.e. AAM) belong to you, based on the Subject: lines you've chosen. The remailer esub function encrypts the Subject: lines with the IDEA cipher. (I think there's a salt involved, as the encrypted Subject: lines constantly change.)


Some people don't like the fact that IDEA is used;

IDEA is fine.  It hasn't been broken.  Sure, it's only 128-bit, but we're talking about encrypting subject lines which should just be something like "ATTN: Guru" or "ATTN: LouisCyphre" and not anything really sensitive or relating to the content of the encrypted message.

The only real problem with IDEA has been the patent on it, which drove it out of use in PGP and GPG in the first place.  That patent has now expired, so we're back to not having a problem with it.  Apparently it will be restored to GPG officially at some point in the future too.

some variants of esub (i.e. esub-bf) use the Blowfish cipher instead. Other schemes (e.g. hsub) use hash algorithms instead of block ciphers like IDEA, blowfish, etc. I like esub, because it's the original, and it's supported by the most remailers; hsub is supported by only one or two, and esub-bf by even fewer.

Makes perfect sense to me.

You run AAMFetch, fetch your messages, then close it out. It saves your messages in mbox format, which you can then read with Thunderbird/Enigmail.

Nice, mbox format makes it very easy.  It should play well with CLI clients too, like Mutt.

Might need to use a conversion utility first, to get them into Thunderbird, but once it's done, it works like a charm.

Thunderbird should be able to handle mbox files, but you might want to convert it to IMAP folders anyway.  It depends on how much mail you're obtaining that way.

I know for a fact that it works on both Linux and Windows... haven't tried it on Mac yet, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work -- just run it from a terminal in all 3 OSes, and you should be good to go.

It shouldn't make a difference.  Although there may be an advantage in running it from a Linux server and then accessing that from whatever workstation OS you happen to be using (or using SSH to access that server from your phone and using Mutt and/or Mixmaster from there).

That's always been one of the more appealing aspects of AAM.

There's really no telling how many completely concealed and untrackable transactions, whether it be for drugs, information, other contraband or other services have gone through there over the years.

If SR makes politicians and LE worry, AAM should make them shit bricks (even if it is almost certainly being used by spooks too).

Precisely. AAM has been making them shit bricks since 1994, when it was newgrouped. I've been using it for more than 10 years. 

I started using it sometime in the mid to late '90s.  I can't quite recall when, but I didn't really dive into it as much as I probably should have.  Given the state of the world I think I should fix that.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Botmonk on August 01, 2012, 02:52 pm
testing my public key can someone please send a message? Thanks!
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on August 01, 2012, 03:10 pm
testing my public key can someone please send a message? Thanks!

Here you go:

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My key is at the bottom of page 7 if you want to test writing an encrypted reply.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 03:25 pm
testing my public key can someone please send a message? Thanks!

Sure.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Botmonk on August 01, 2012, 03:31 pm
Thanks eJ3k1! here is one to you


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Nigerian Prince on August 01, 2012, 03:36 pm
Hey guys,

Managed to get up and running with GPG very easily using the stickied tutorial. Thanks everyone here for the informational posts as well.

I have a (noobish) practical question: when placing an order on SR, do you include your public key anywhere in the order message so the vendor can contact you if needed? Or does this not usually happen? Maybe there's a way to put it on a profile page somewhere that I've missed? I can see vendor profiles with their public keys on them, but accessing my own user page in the same way only gives me a form to send myself a PM.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 03:54 pm
I have a (noobish) practical question: when placing an order on SR, do you include your public key anywhere in the order message so the vendor can contact you if needed? Or does this not usually happen? Maybe there's a way to put it on a profile page somewhere that I've missed? I can see vendor profiles with their public keys on them, but accessing my own user page in the same way only gives me a form to send myself a PM.

Buyers don't have pages on SR like vendors do.  The basic options are the thread on the forum, which I can see you already found, and sending your key to a vendor via the SR message system.  There is an older thread on this topic here:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1048

On another note, while the email address you included in your key is funny, it may not be entirely wise to use an address that probably exists.  Especially one that is probably monitored by other governments too.  ;)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: FriendlyNeighbour on August 01, 2012, 03:58 pm
Could someone send me a message, lets see if I understand it now :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 04:05 pm
Could someone send me a message, lets see if I understand it now :)

Sure.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Nigerian Prince on August 01, 2012, 04:32 pm
I have a (noobish) practical question: when placing an order on SR, do you include your public key anywhere in the order message so the vendor can contact you if needed? Or does this not usually happen? Maybe there's a way to put it on a profile page somewhere that I've missed? I can see vendor profiles with their public keys on them, but accessing my own user page in the same way only gives me a form to send myself a PM.

Buyers don't have pages on SR like vendors do.  The basic options are the thread on the forum, which I can see you already found, and sending your key to a vendor via the SR message system.  There is an older thread on this topic here:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1048

On another note, while the email address you included in your key is funny, it may not be entirely wise to use an address that probably exists.  Especially one that is probably monitored by other governments too.  ;)
Thanks for the info. I'll just include my public key in the address field then, that seems to be the best solution looking at the other thread.

Good point about the email address. I doubt anyone would mistake it for my actual email, but I've made a new set of keys just in case :P
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Mr Mealpart on August 01, 2012, 04:38 pm
Yes! I did it! I actually managed to communicate using PGP. Woop woop! Thanks so much Pine for this great thread and your help. Here's my key if anyone wants to message me, Id like to practice some more. Cheers.

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 05:22 pm
Thanks for the info.

No problem.

I'll just include my public key in the address field then, that seems to be the best solution looking at the other thread.

The idea is to encrypt your address to the vendor's key and include the encrypted message in the address field.

Good point about the email address. I doubt anyone would mistake it for my actual email, but I've made a new set of keys just in case :P

Good plan.  It was pretty funny, though.  :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Nigerian Prince on August 01, 2012, 05:33 pm
I'll just include my public key in the address field then, that seems to be the best solution looking at the other thread.

The idea is to encrypt your address to the vendor's key and include the encrypted message in the address field.

Sorry, I didn't put that very clearly. What I meant was entering
Quote
-Delivery address here
-My public key here
- encrypting that to the vendor's public key and putting the result in the address field.

Correct?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 05:46 pm
I'll just include my public key in the address field then, that seems to be the best solution looking at the other thread.

The idea is to encrypt your address to the vendor's key and include the encrypted message in the address field.

Sorry, I didn't put that very clearly. What I meant was entering
Quote
-Delivery address here
-My public key here
- encrypting that to the vendor's public key and putting the result in the address field.

Correct?

Yes, that's right.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Nigerian Prince on August 01, 2012, 05:53 pm
Alright, think I've got it then :)

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 01, 2012, 06:06 pm
Yes! I did it! I actually managed to communicate using PGP. Woop woop! Thanks so much Pine for this great thread and your help. Here's my key if anyone wants to message me, Id like to practice some more. Cheers.

Here you go.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: throwAway5497 on August 01, 2012, 07:43 pm
My key for anyone who wishes to message me.



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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on August 01, 2012, 10:24 pm
Thanks eJ3k1! here is one to you
Well done. I was able to decrypt the message and the signature was valid.

Now you can use GPG successfully. Welcome to the club!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on August 01, 2012, 10:33 pm
My key for anyone who wishes to message me.
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 02, 2012, 05:29 am
Alright, think I've got it then :)

Thanks again!

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 02, 2012, 05:46 am
let me know if this worked...

now what i need to learn is, how to Decrypt messages. i seem to have a brain freeze trying to figure this out :o

Here's a message for you to decrypt, there's some feedback on your own message in it.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 02, 2012, 07:24 am
A good analogy. But what if a corrupted russian mailman knows that nothing but diamond rings are sent in strongboxes and intercepts the locked box sent to Natasha on the very first step. Then he goes to the flea market, buys a similarly looking strongbox and attaches his padlock to it. Then Natasha receives a fake strongbox with the mailman's padlock, attaches her own padlock to the metal hasp of the still locked strongbox and returns it via the same mailman to Boris. The mailman intercepts the fake strongbox, tosses it off and attaches his padlock again to the real strongbox. Finally, Boris receives the strongbox with the mailman's padlock and takes off his padlock, sends back the box to Natasha and the mailman intercepts the box again. That's it! The diamond ring was stolen.

In other words, is there any way to trust that the public key belongs to the person or entity claimed and has not been replaced by a "man-in-the-middle"?

Haha, you would make a good Russian! The hack got reverse hacked! I must admit I didn't think of that possibility in the instance of this analogy.

You mean proving you are who you say you are upon initial contact? No... I don't think there is. Not with PGP all by itself at any rate. It is possible to do it by building a reputation system outside of your initial communication e.g. the PGP key servers, where you could build a web of trust system thing. And then that itself is not immune either to a particularly determined adversary with huge resources, although it gets geometrically unlikely you'll pull that hack off I think. But otherwise it's a thorny problem with no easy and simple answer unless everybody loses their anonymity and gets PGP public keys generated with some relationship to biometric data (also possible in the near future if not already, but also likely hackable). Actually, forget that, that's probably a horrible idea.

Happily though, immediately after 1st contact with somebody, you can then ensure further communications do come from that same person by using PGP signatures. For our purposes on SR, that is good enough because we by default trust that we can't trust anybody here due to anonymity.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 02, 2012, 08:36 am
Hello I have had a 2009 version of pgp on my  secoundary back up nas drive for some time , i used that , i have had it installed before but uninstalled it due to disk permissions errors, so now i will just have to bite the bullet and reformat just glad i can copy my pictures and music over first , thank fully  my business not affected as its all run from thumb flash file . Unless you can think of anything else i can do .
Kind regards
RP

That sucks real pharma, sorry to hear that you're having to go to all this trouble :-/

I'm not a mac person and not sure what the source of the trouble is, but I have to say I find nothing particularly inspiring about them in general, and in particular it appears to be particularly awkward to use PGP software in general on the damn things for some reason. In my view Apple are closer to a fashion house than a technological company. /mini-rant





Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 02, 2012, 09:44 am
You mean proving you are who you say you are upon initial contact? No... I don't think there is. Not with PGP all by itself at any rate. It is possible to do it by building a reputation system outside of your initial communication e.g. the PGP key servers, where you could build a web of trust system thing.

There is already a web of trust system built into OpenPGP.  That's what the trustdb file is for and what signing (technically certifying) keys are for.

The majority of OpenPGP users use their real names and email addresses rather than pseudonyms like we all do.  So if they receive a key from someone they know they can call that person, for example, and confirm the fingerprint of that person's key before signing it.  People also hold key signing parties where they confirm someone's fingerprint and some form of ID (driver's license, passport, etc.) before signing a key.

Given the nature of this community we're not going to be able to take advantage of that.

And then that itself is not immune either to a particularly determined adversary with huge resources, although it gets geometrically unlikely you'll pull that hack off I think.

True, but there really is a limit to how much effort someone or some group will or can devote to people on SR.  It's a matter of where to place the resources and the payoff for doing so.

The NSA, for example, have much more dangerous people to pursue.  They have the resources, but there's no payoff for them.

The CIA would be in much the same category (and possibly see some opportunities for themselves).

It's only groups like the DEA that are a problem and they really aren't in the same league as either the CIA or NSA.  No doubt they'd like to take down some of the major vendors and they'd definitely like to be able to take down DPR or compromise the SR systems so they can continue to take down vendors, but it is unlikely that they have the resources (or knowledge) to achieve that.

But otherwise it's a thorny problem with no easy and simple answer unless everybody loses their anonymity

Losing our anonymity or pseudonymity is too high a price to pay in this environment.  Instead we just have to cope with the lack of a web of trust and proceed with caution in all our dealings.

and gets PGP public keys generated with some relationship to biometric data (also possible in the near future if not already, but also likely hackable). Actually, forget that, that's probably a horrible idea.

It's already possible to include a picture with a GPG key, but that is entirely optional.  If some other biometric data could be converted to a digital form to use as a comparison, it may be added in the future.  It is unlikely to be mandatory, though.

Remember, GPG is developed in Germany which has very strong constitutional privacy protections.  These constitutional protections are a direct result of WWII.  Germany does not want that part of history to repeat itself.  Plus half the country still remembers being under the dominion of the Soviet Union during the Cold War and they don't want to repeat that.

The author of GPG, Werner Koch, would have been in his late 20s when the Berlin Wall fell, so he'd have very good memories of the bad things that can happen in an authoritarian state (though I believe he grew up in West Germany).

Happily though, immediately after 1st contact with somebody, you can then ensure further communications do come from that same person by using PGP signatures. For our purposes on SR, that is good enough because we by default trust that we can't trust anybody here due to anonymity.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 02, 2012, 10:56 am
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The author of GPG, Werner Koch, would have been in his late 20s when the Berlin Wall fell, so he'd have very good memories of the bad things that can happen in an authoritarian state (though I believe he grew up in West Germany).

We're slowly losing these people, and that is a problem. Wars and state antagonism are now distant memories for most, and almost the subject of myth for the younger generations. I don't wish for people to be haunted by the past, but it seems that the 'Nazis' and 'Communists' are no longer real historical entities to people today. You might as well summon up Jack and the Beanstalk as a warning to future generations as those ideologies.

They have been reduced to mere caricatures of their true selves. I see practical examples of fascistic and communistic thinking in the mainstream, even true examples of thoughtcrime being prosecuted and convicted and wonder what my parents or grandparents would have made of today. I think we are the frog in the warming water pot when it comes to people's intuitions about their various freedoms.

This Third Way, this defunct and impotent centralism between socialism and capitalism is going to turn the screws on the younger generation and they have no feasible way to defend themselves in today's surveillance states. Some people here including yourself think of me as an optimist, but I think it's going to get ugly before it gets better. Don't think I'm alone in that intuition either, I think a general sense of unease, a great malaise sprawls across the body of the West. You don't need a background in politics, economics or history to sense a yawning gulf ahead. The trouble is that I no longer am sure the West is the West. I think our traditions\philosophy moved Eastwards, and the true West, in terms of general trajectory on almost every descriptor is now China, while we're creating a new tradition which seems more similar to China's imperial past.

Anyway, there is nothing I can do about it, but apply a little crypto and wait. Hopefully it is just a transient phase that sometimes countries go through as part of the economic cycle.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 02, 2012, 11:03 am
Hi this message is for Pine. :)
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Aha! Hello, another customer! :)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 02, 2012, 11:40 am
Pine, strictly speaking, that isn't steganography. When I think of steganography, I think of embedding hidden messages in sound files, photos, that type of thing. Most of the popular stego software available on the net currently can be detected by software used by forensic exmainers.

Well, I think this could turn into a semantic debate on what steg means :D

I know what you mean, but hiding something in plain sight is still hiding. Steg is essentially digital camouflage, what better camo than to make the enemy think they see you, but it is not you. It is like wearing a mask in a police line-up. They have you, sure enough, but not what they need because they think they already have it.

I would also disagree with you that LEA are making decisions based on the type of crypto software one uses. Naturally, they are going to assume that those who use crypto are higher value targets as compared with those who do not. Such assumptions could be invalidated if everyone were to adopt strong crypto -- this was one of the arguments the Cypherpunks made for the widespread adoption of strong crypto.

And that's fine. But they surely aren't going to waste resources on trying to crack strong crypto, they will be reluctant to commit them without a possible payoff. If they have your weak encryption, then they will try to break it. You want them to try to break it, in order to steadily consume their computer power and mental energies.

I'm not actually arguing individuals do this, but a large group might do it to give the enemy busy-work in order to decrease the probability of them reallocating resources to targets with a larger potential payoff. Consider for example, a large number of people use the scheme I mention. LE gets to work on cracking the symmetric encryption cipher, confident of a juicy carrot that will compromise the whole group at once. Then a few months later they have found an iron wall behind a wooden door. In the meantime, they won't have been thinking about adopting a side channel attack because that would involve higher risk of failure vs "a sure thing".

I disagree with you, in the sense that you do not need to control the venue in which your messages are posted. Rather, what is needed is a publicly-available venue which contains a large amount of anonymized, strongly-encrypted message traffic. Such a venue already exists, and has for almost two decades -- the cypherpunks referred to it as an anonymous message pool. I am, of course, referring to the Usenet newsgroup alt.anonymous.messages (or a.a.m. for short).
...
As the messages are widely distributed, available from dozens, if not hundreds, of providers worldwide, I can access my messages through a wide variety of sources, scattered all over the planet, unlike accessing a conventional email account, where one has to login to one particular provider.

Guru

Of course you disagree, which is why I am discovering a.a.m.  :)

That is the nature of the geek -> there is a better way! Forever and always!

I will look into a.a.m. (google is giving me the Association for Aquatic Mammals, but I am wise to their tricks) :D
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 02, 2012, 11:50 am
testing my public key can someone please send a message? Thanks!
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 02, 2012, 12:00 pm
Could someone send me a message, lets see if I understand it now :)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 02, 2012, 12:02 pm
Ok, I think I have replied to everybody in the thread thus far to date, or else Louis or Guru have done so.

If that's not the case, then get in touch! :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 02, 2012, 12:12 pm
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The author of GPG, Werner Koch, would have been in his late 20s when the Berlin Wall fell, so he'd have very good memories of the bad things that can happen in an authoritarian state (though I believe he grew up in West Germany).

We're slowly losing these people, and that is a problem.

Yes, but there are still a lot around, especially for remembering the excesses of the Cold War.  That is, after all, what inspired Phil Zimmermann to create PGP in the first place.  He was an anti-nuclear weapons campaigner during the 1980s and the lack of a means of secure communications led to the infiltration of a lot of action groups being infiltrated by police and other groups.

Wars and state antagonism are now distant memories for most, and almost the subject of myth for the younger generations. I don't wish for people to be haunted by the past, but it seems that the 'Nazis' and 'Communists' are no longer real historical entities to people today. You might as well summon up Jack and the Beanstalk as a warning to future generations as those ideologies.

That depends entirely on who and where you are.  A friend of mine's grandfather grew up in a little place called Auschwitz and that friend knows about half the people in the final scene of Schlindler's List.  I have other friends who I only know because their parents were brave enough to sneak out of the Soviet Union.  Plus friends who are refugees from the wars that erupted at the end of the Cold War when the Soviet Union dissolved.

They have been reduced to mere caricatures of their true selves. I see practical examples of fascistic and communistic thinking in the mainstream, even true examples of thoughtcrime being prosecuted and convicted and wonder what my parents or grandparents would have made of today. I think we are the frog in the warming water pot when it comes to people's intuitions about their various freedoms.

That is a shame, but there will always be people amongst the newer generations that really do appreciate their freedom and take the initiative to take it back.

This Third Way, this defunct and impotent centralism between socialism and capitalism is going to turn the screws on the younger generation and they have no feasible way to defend themselves in today's surveillance states.

It's certainly getting harder and harder for everyone.

Some people here including yourself think of me as an optimist, but I think it's going to get ugly before it gets better.

Definitely.

Don't think I'm alone in that intuition either, I think a general sense of unease, a great malaise sprawls across the body of the West. You don't need a background in politics, economics or history to sense a yawning gulf ahead.

Yep.

The trouble is that I no longer am sure the West is the West. I think our traditions\philosophy moved Eastwards, and the true West, in terms of general trajectory on almost every descriptor is now China, while we're creating a new tradition which seems more similar to China's imperial past.

While I agree that the West is definitely becoming more authoritarian, I don't think China is becoming more western.  Everywhere appears to be becoming more authoritarian, with the possible exception of Iceland and some parts of Europe.

Anyway, there is nothing I can do about it, but apply a little crypto and wait. Hopefully it is just a transient phase that sometimes countries go through as part of the economic cycle.

Hopefully.  I didn't think I'd say this when I was living through them, but I miss the '90s.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 02, 2012, 12:32 pm
I think it is time we stepped this up a bit.

All the recruits to PGP Club should continue to hone their skills by sending each other encrypted messages; either on this thread, via PM or both.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: throwAway5497 on August 02, 2012, 09:39 pm
Had to change my public key

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Drksdfmn138 on August 02, 2012, 10:37 pm
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Thanx for your help Pine... this has been very helpful. +1 karma to you good fellow. Long days and pleasant nights!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Limetless on August 03, 2012, 01:50 am
PGP Club for the win!  8)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Flyhigh on August 03, 2012, 02:06 am
let me know if this worked...

now what i need to learn is, how to Decrypt messages. i seem to have a brain freeze trying to figure this out :o

Here's a message for you to decrypt, there's some feedback on your own message in it.




Got it loud and clear... Thanks....and thanks for everyone's help...I'm glad I'm in the club!!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 751a696c24d97009 on August 03, 2012, 02:30 am
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 03, 2012, 05:20 am
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Thanx for your help Pine... this has been very helpful. +1 karma to you good fellow. Long days and pleasant nights!

Hi! Thanks

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 03, 2012, 06:10 am
Had to change my public key

If you still have access to the old key and there is no compromising data in the old one (e.g. a real email address that you use elsewhere), you should sign the new key with the old key and then revoke the old key.  Then export both the old key and the new key to distribute so people can see that it is really the real you and not someone who just got your forum password.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 03, 2012, 06:13 am
PGP Club for the win!  8)

Cheers!  :D
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 03, 2012, 06:20 am
PGP Club for the win!  8)

Aha! Make us win by stickying the thread! 8)

Ideally of course we should have a mini-subforum within the Security forum, but I think admin privileges are required for that. I will use pester power on our much beloved red coated allies and you should too. Hopefully temperance will be overtaken by the PGP headwinds of crypto-anarchist extremism! 8)

I think it is time we stepped this up a bit.

All the recruits to PGP Club should continue to hone their skills by sending each other encrypted messages; either on this thread, via PM or both.

It is time to listen to the Ride of the Valkyries comrade.

Today is where PGP Club gets to the next level. We cross from Stage Two to Stage Three of our grand master plan. We are at 150+ members, but that is not enough. I'll rest easier when we have another zero on that & there are SR PGP Club t-shirts. I may need some help either bypassing the 20 per hour PM limit or get it temporarily lifted to 100 or more to spread more PGP propaganda. So, if you and Guru and any other supporting members of PGP Club are about, then roll up and we'll shift at least couple of hundred messages via the forum's mass mailing service.

I have huge lists of forum usernames I will distribute and you can use the BCC feature of the forum's messaging software to shotgun a standardized PGP propaganda message across this world. It's not spam if it's PGP spam! (haha, so much doublethink).

I will split the lists into blocks and

Messages will be routed to:

- Every SR vendors on the forum.
- Every SR member with over ~300 posts.
- More recent members of PGP Club.

--

Secondly, it is time to tackle the privnote issue. A witchhunt begins today!

People are going to have 24 hours from the last message I send in order to edit their posts on this forum, or else they join the PGP Wall of Shame. Boo! Hiss! And so on.

I have collected every last supportive comment for privnote on these forums. Yes, really. Every one of those people is going to get informed of their tragic tragic mistake and be given an opportunity to repent.

Otherwise, To the Wall of Shame! :D

We must be kind to the reformers and not to the recidivists comrade.

They have the opportunity for the warm embrace of Club PGP or they can sit in the corner to be relentlessly mocked by their more evolved brethren.

PGP Club! Not. One. Step. Back.

Today. PGP becomes THE Standard.

Time to turn the wheels of our incredible propaganda machine.

PGP or Die comrades. Nationalism has nothing on PGPism, it is weak for we are cryptographically strong. 8)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 03, 2012, 06:26 am
let me know if this worked...

now what i need to learn is, how to Decrypt messages. i seem to have a brain freeze trying to figure this out :o

Here's a message for you to decrypt, there's some feedback on your own message in it.

Got it loud and clear... Thanks....and thanks for everyone's help...I'm glad I'm in the club!!

Not a problem.  Have you successfully sent or posted an encrypted email to someone else yet?  That's the final step.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 03, 2012, 07:55 am
PGP Club for the win!  8)

Aha! Make us win by stickying the thread! 8)

Ideally of course we should have a mini-subforum within the Security forum, but I think admin privileges are required for that. I will use pester power on our much beloved red coated allies and you should too. Hopefully temperance will be overtaken by the PGP headwinds of crypto-anarchist extremism! 8)

I'll support both of these.  A sticky at the bare minimum (the PGP keys thread should also be a sticky) and a PGP subforum would be good too.

I think it is time we stepped this up a bit.

All the recruits to PGP Club should continue to hone their skills by sending each other encrypted messages; either on this thread, via PM or both.

It is time to listen to the Ride of the Valkyries comrade.

Today is where PGP Club gets to the next level. We cross from Stage Two to Stage Three of our grand master plan. We are at 150+ members, but that is not enough. I'll rest easier when we have another zero on that & there are SR PGP Club t-shirts. I may need some help either bypassing the 20 per hour PM limit or get it temporarily lifted to 100 or more to spread more PGP propaganda. So, if you and Guru and any other supporting members of PGP Club are about, then roll up and we'll shift at least couple of hundred messages via the forum's mass mailing service.

I doubt I'll be able to do this quite as fast as you, but I'll do what I can.  There are some non-SR things on my plate.  ;)

I have huge lists of forum usernames I will distribute and you can use the BCC feature of the forum's messaging software to shotgun a standardized PGP propaganda message across this world. It's not spam if it's PGP spam! (haha, so much doublethink).

I'm not a spam fan by any stretch, but this shit can save someone's liberty and possibly their life.

Secondly, it is time to tackle the privnote issue. A witchhunt begins today!

About time!

People are going to have 24 hours from the last message I send in order to edit their posts on this forum, or else they join the PGP Wall of Shame. Boo! Hiss! And so on.

Heh.

I have collected every last supportive comment for privnote on these forums. Yes, really. Every one of those people is going to get informed of their tragic tragic mistake and be given an opportunity to repent.

Otherwise, To the Wall of Shame! :D

It's a shame, but I think this may be the only way to drive the point home to some of the dangers of what they're doing here.

Anyone involved in a transaction could get done for conspiracy.  I haven't even purchased anything and I could still get done for facilitating numerous crimes in assorted jurisdictions.  It wasn't that long ago that cryptography of the strength we're using was classed as a munition and restricted for export.  It was PGP which changed that game (with a healthy boost from ecommerce).

We must be kind to the reformers and not to the recidivists comrade.

They have the opportunity for the warm embrace of Club PGP or they can sit in the corner to be relentlessly mocked by their more evolved brethren.

PGP Club! Not. One. Step. Back.

Today. PGP becomes THE Standard.

Time to turn the wheels of our incredible propaganda machine.

PGP or Die comrades. Nationalism has nothing on PGPism, it is weak for we are cryptographically strong. 8)

You really are enjoying this revolution.  :D
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 03, 2012, 09:35 am
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Drksdfmn138 on August 03, 2012, 11:52 am
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 03, 2012, 12:49 pm
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 03, 2012, 02:10 pm

It is time to listen to the Ride of the Valkyries comrade.

Today is where PGP Club gets to the next level. We cross from Stage Two to Stage Three of our grand master plan. We are at 150+ members, but that is not enough. I'll rest easier when we have another zero on that & there are SR PGP Club t-shirts. I may need some help either bypassing the 20 per hour PM limit or get it temporarily lifted to 100 or more to spread more PGP propaganda. So, if you and Guru and any other supporting members of PGP Club are about, then roll up and we'll shift at least couple of hundred messages via the forum's mass mailing service.

I doubt I'll be able to do this quite as fast as you, but I'll do what I can.  There are some non-SR things on my plate.  ;)

What! But PGP Club is Life itself! LOL! What I'll do is give you guys stacks of 10 to shotgun at a time to forward on the message. Then when you post that 10, come back to me and ask for another 10 etc, that way you don't have to hang around or anything and can post them at your leisure.

I have collected every last supportive comment for privnote on these forums. Yes, really. Every one of those people is going to get informed of their tragic tragic mistake and be given an opportunity to repent.

Otherwise, To the Wall of Shame! :D

It's a shame, but I think this may be the only way to drive the point home to some of the dangers of what they're doing here.

Anyone involved in a transaction could get done for conspiracy.  I haven't even purchased anything and I could still get done for facilitating numerous crimes in assorted jurisdictions.  It wasn't that long ago that cryptography of the strength we're using was classed as a munition and restricted for export.  It was PGP which changed that game (with a healthy boost from ecommerce).

Precisely. For the greater good, ha!

We must be kind to the reformers and not to the recidivists comrade.

They have the opportunity for the warm embrace of Club PGP or they can sit in the corner to be relentlessly mocked by their more evolved brethren.

PGP Club! Not. One. Step. Back.

Today. PGP becomes THE Standard.

Time to turn the wheels of our incredible propaganda machine.

PGP or Die comrades. Nationalism has nothing on PGPism, it is weak for we are cryptographically strong. 8)

You really are enjoying this revolution.  :D

Well, those Communists had all the fun in the 20th century, I think it's about time the Anarcho-Capitalists (or Libertarians broadly speaking) waved a few flags too to get the message out there. We have a birth right to do so given the West's history. Actually it's likely to go far beyond simple flag waving thanks to the likes of RIPA and SOPA. Not the laws themselves, but the spirit of them that permeates the government's approach to technology. They are ignorant bastards and no mistake.

When your typical Western government has moved to the far right of the Laffer Curve and consumes or controls > 50% - 60% of GDP, it is inevitably the case that the tide will whipsaw in our favor with public sentiment. I expect a sharp hike to 70% or more of GDP in taxation across the West due to the debt burden and QE, and then I expect the youth of the West to fall in with us one way or the other, irrespective of left or right wing political philosophy. It will not be a "French" or "Greek" thing, where people typically have had more revolutionary ardor than most countries, no, it is going to be a fire that will sweep the entire globe, a new kind of World War, an international civil rebellion. Why?

Centralism, that incompetent political philosophy is raping the West's spirit and sapping its traditional strengths. The reality is that there will never be peace between the Socialists and the Capitalists, and nor *should* there be. Our sparring makes the world a better place by spurring original thought and innovation. Today's Western world is characterized by a stalemate, what the Chinese proverbs refer to as "too much water, too much fire or not enough water, not enough fire".

See, at the end of the day most geeks are Libertarian in their mode of philosophy. And we geeks are about a decade ahead of the average person in the population in terms of technological uptake. Thus we are at the edge of what is to come. We don't represent a significant percentage of the population, but we do represent an exceptionally powerful and well heeled part of it in comparison to just about anybody else.

You should remember that Revolutions are not started by the proletarians in reality. It's always the middle classes that kick this off. Mao, Lenin, Stalin, all leaders of the proletarate were definitely not farmers or factory workers. Collectively we've been modelling the world in our image for the last two decades, replacing long obsolete technologies such as the telecom industry infrastructure with VOIP to mention just 1 thing by creative coding and ignoring the traditional rules. The Internet is inherently a Libertarian playground. The world is surely becoming increasingly Statist, but not cyberspace so much, any definitive reply to the State begins here, from the Darknet, from the imageboards, with movements like Anonymous and Lulzsec being tiny tremors of what is to come.

Left or right, whether wealth distribution or wealth accumulation is the issue isn't quite the important thing right now. Right now the important thing is that the right wing and left wing forms of Statism are far too powerful. Libertarians of all stripes (with the crypto-anarchists in the vanguard to secure comms channels and create independent financial networks) are simply itching to go to war against the State, you can see that everywhere, not just on this board. Maybe a Cold War, if we are fortunate, but also perhaps something a little warmer. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see bombings, targeted assassinations, mass poisonings, attacks on major installations and so forth, there's a great many people willing to take up arms against the State and their numbers are only growing. If the State begins to interfere too much in the cyberworld, and it almost definitely will, then it's going to find that's a very fucking bad idea ASAP.

Think about it. I'm leaning heavily towards NAP (non aggression principal) in general as a libertarian and I still think that. It's like watching a fucking blind blue whale swimming into a shoal of enraged piranhas.

You're pissing off a bunch of people, whose ranks are almost entirely populated by male 20-somethings with skills in things like manipulating computer networks, computer programming, black market chemistry, arms dealing, drug manufacturing, money laundering, military grade cryptography and smuggling, not to mention over nyan thousand degrees of paranoia. That's a fine skillset for any conflict driven organization, and this is a very distributed network with concentrated knowledge in those very fields, because you know, we are geeks and nothing is done by half measures.

Then throw in universal support from testosterone driven 4chan and the other influential clearnet forums and imageboards, and you got at least thousands of potential shock troops to take physical risks for a cause (e.g. image in your mind's eye the State murders somebody like Julian Assage, which is not exactly a theoretical possibility), as well as god only knows how many potential informants at every branch and level of government. The State's surveillance programs would be stretched to infinity just looking at anybody who is a redditor. Higher levels of taxation, the welfare systems and negative job growth will ensure people get hungry, but not quite hungry enough to STFU, and hungry/angry/fearful people lose their faith in the system and rebel because they have to and because they can.

So in summation, if you were looking for a fantastically stupid place to start a civil war, this is a great place for it. We are not afraid of the government, NAP or no. They should fear us instead. A war always sounds like a fantastically silly idea when you've never experienced one, and today the State has civil servants with just that right blend of naivety and arrogance to set the blaze.

Having said that, it'll probably be some RL incident first, like an state sponsored assassination or pre-emptive foolishness.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: real pharmaceuticals on August 03, 2012, 05:55 pm
Ok so it took me a little while but thanks to the great advice and support of the forums I have finally got to grips with PGP , I just want to say thank you to everyone who helped me understand and thank you for baring with me.  So before I decrypt a message i must have their public key ? right?
any way thanks guys and gals
Kind regards
RP

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin)

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-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 03, 2012, 06:08 pm
Ok so it took me a little while but thanks to the great advice and support of the forums I have finally got to grips with PGP , I just want to say thank you to everyone who helped me understand and thank you for baring with me.  So before I decrypt a message i must have their public key ? right?
any way thanks guys and gals
Kind regards
RP

Not quite. Maybe you made a spelling mistake and meant encryption, not decryption  there.

A public key is just like a mobile or cellphone number, or an email address. You need your pals to have it to communicate with you.

So, if anybody sends you an email or PM encrypted using your public key (won't work otherwise), then you can decrypt it using your private key. 

Thusly;

Public keys = used for encryption purposes.
Private keys = used for decryption purposes (and encryption too, but that's a different issue we're not talking about here).

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 03, 2012, 06:12 pm
Ok so it took me a little while but thanks to the great advice and support of the forums I have finally got to grips with PGP , I just want to say thank you to everyone who helped me understand and thank you for baring with me.  So before I decrypt a message i must have their public key ? right?

You need the public key to encrypt messages you send to people.  They need to encrypt messages to you.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on August 03, 2012, 10:44 pm
A public key is just like a mobile or cellphone number, or an email address. You need your pals to have it to communicate with you.
That's a good analogy indeed.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: whatthedamnfuck on August 04, 2012, 12:05 am
Hello,

  Below is my Private Key.  I still don't understand, if someone sends a message to me using my key, how to decrypt it.  I guess I would copy and paste it into Kleopatra that I just got then decrypt it from there??  I looked through the user guide but I only saw how to decrypt from Outlook.  I might have missed it. 
  Any help from anyone?

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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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thanks
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: jude30 on August 04, 2012, 03:34 am
Hey guys, testing this out :)


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 04, 2012, 05:33 am
Hello,

  Below is my Private Key.  I still don't understand, if someone sends a message to me using my key, how to decrypt it.  I guess I would copy and paste it into Kleopatra that I just got then decrypt it from there??  I looked through the user guide but I only saw how to decrypt from Outlook.  I might have missed it. 
  Any help from anyone?

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Here's an extra message to be testing your skills with! :)

Personally I would recommend you use the GPA's clipboard for encryption/decryption rather than Kleopatra.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 04, 2012, 05:40 am
Hey guys, testing this out :)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Hungry ghost on August 04, 2012, 08:35 am
Hi PGP club, I have been using PGP since I joined SR; I use GPG4USB and also a command line version on my iPhone. However I would describe my knowledge as functional. I can generate and import keys and send and receive messages no problem.
       The aspects I'm less clear on are fingerprints and signatures. I have a hazy idea of what they are for but I would like to know more about these more advanced features of GPG. I would also like to know how the size-in-bits of a key affects its security. I started out using a 2048 bit key but have recently changed to a 4096 bit key. Is this better or advisable. There also seems to be a second number (1024) associated with my key, I don't seem to be able to alter this in GPG4USB. I'd like to know what these numbers refer to (obviously I know what 4096bits means in terms of the size of a binary number but why is there two numbers)

         Perhaps we could start an Advanced PGP club thread for people like me, who are au fait with tha basics but would like to learn more. If it is included in this thread it will only baffle and daunt beginners.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 04, 2012, 02:09 pm
Hi PGP club, I have been using PGP since I joined SR; I use GPG4USB and also a command line version on my iPhone. However I would describe my knowledge as functional. I can generate and import keys and send and receive messages no problem.
       The aspects I'm less clear on are fingerprints and signatures. I have a hazy idea of what they are for but I would like to know more about these more advanced features of GPG. I would also like to know how the size-in-bits of a key affects its security. I started out using a 2048 bit key but have recently changed to a 4096 bit key. Is this better or advisable. There also seems to be a second number (1024) associated with my key, I don't seem to be able to alter this in GPG4USB. I'd like to know what these numbers refer to (obviously I know what 4096bits means in terms of the size of a binary number but why is there two numbers)

         Perhaps we could start an Advanced PGP club thread for people like me, who are au fait with tha basics but would like to learn more. If it is included in this thread it will only baffle and daunt beginners.

We agree, with you, but we're trying to jostle our sluggish (but wonderful!) SR Staff into providing us with a full subforum for PGP and general cryptography issues. Then we can collect Botulism's PGP thread and this one and a couple of others and plug them in there. That makes the forum much tidier and also makes it easier to start to talk about more advanced stuff.

Also, an intelligence forum would be good too. Maybe we can get both and then it would be like Christmas. kmfkewn and Louis would be over the moon and setup botnets to karma bomb DPR or something.

I'll get back to you on PGP signatures in a sec, looking up some additional data on the subject atm. I use an analogy of a bank manager if you go back a few pages to check it out.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Nigerian Prince on August 04, 2012, 02:44 pm
Anyone that can answer- so if I am encrypting I use the recipient's public key to do it right, not mine right?
You need to sign the message with the public key of the recipient, yes. If you want to be able to read your own message later, you need to sign it with your public key as well (you can encrypt one message to multiple public keys).
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Hungry ghost on August 04, 2012, 02:59 pm
Right that's what I was worried about;  1024 isn't big enough right? Could be cracked fairly easily with today's computing power?
If I make a better key using GPA will I be able to export it to GPG4USB? I like the self contained portable nature of GPG4USB........I'm not sure but I think it was you who recommended it Shannon?
If I can generate a stronger key using the standard GPG package then transfer it and continue using GpG4USB that would be ideal.
I'm guessing this is possible as GPG4USB has no problem encrypting using other peoples keys made to the newer standard?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 03:17 pm
Hi PGP club, I have been using PGP since I joined SR; I use GPG4USB and also a command line version on my iPhone. However I would describe my knowledge as functional. I can generate and import keys and send and receive messages no problem.

Excellent.  Also, having started on the command line usage gives you a bit of an edge over a lot of users.

       The aspects I'm less clear on are fingerprints and signatures. I have a hazy idea of what they are for but I would like to know more about these more advanced features of GPG.

Fingerprints are used to confirm whether a key really belongs to someone and is most often used by people using their real names on keys instead of a pseudonym to confirm key ownership and control before certifying (signing) a key.

For example, the fingerprint on my key is "273A CCEC FD96 04DE 93F5  BF3D 7E8B E6B1 DD7B 4576" and the fingerprint on Guru's key is "ADBE 8D80 5F5C 9CBA 9BDB  0F05 523F CBEE 8868 55CA".  Now let's say we knew each other in real life (to my knowledge we don't) and I wanted to sign Guru's key and request that he sign mine.  I would call or visit Guru and confirm my identity to him (e.g. with a driver's license or passport) and confirm his identity in the same way.  When we were both satisfied we would certify each other's keys with our own and then export those certificates by exporting copies of the other's public key.  This could then be used to update the public key files here on the forums and/or on the public keyservers (both Guru's key and my key are available on the keyservers).

Certification is the correct name for key signing and is used to differentiate that type of signature from signing messages or files.

Regular signatures, as used on messages and files, is essentially a method of confirming that the data in the message or file has not been modified following the signing process.  When DPR signs a message posted to the forum we can verify that signature.  If the result is GOOD then we know the message has not been doctored.  If the result is BAD then either something went wrong when the signature was made or the message was modified in some way after the signature was made, even if it is just fixing a typo or adding or deleting whitespace.

I would also like to know how the size-in-bits of a key affects its security. I started out using a 2048 bit key but have recently changed to a 4096 bit key. Is this better or advisable.

As Shannon has already posted links for, the key size indicates the strength of the key.  In general, bigger is better.  That said, there is a law of diminishing returns with asymmetric encryption (RSA and Elgamal) such that it is not usually advisable to make keys larger than 4096-bit unless you know what you're doing and why.  With any luck we'll all be switching to ECC keys in a few years anyway.

There also seems to be a second number (1024) associated with my key, I don't seem to be able to alter this in GPG4USB.

The key sizes are set when the key is generated, they cannot be changed after the fact.  New keys and new subkeys within an existing key can be created with different bit strengths.

I'd like to know what these numbers refer to (obviously I know what 4096bits means in terms of the size of a binary number but why is there two numbers)

The numbers are bit strength.  The table on this page shows the recommended sizes according to the US NIST:

http://www.keylength.com/en/4/

         Perhaps we could start an Advanced PGP club thread for people like me, who are au fait with tha basics but would like to learn more. If it is included in this thread it will only baffle and daunt beginners.

I've been thinking about posting an introduction to the command line at some point in the future.  Once that's done I'll be able to build on it with some really entertaining stuff.

In the mean time you might like to read through my previous HOWTO posts:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28474.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28859.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=29235.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=33117.0
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Hungry ghost on August 04, 2012, 03:25 pm
Anyone that can answer- so if I am encrypting I use the recipient's public key to do it right, not mine right?
You need to sign the message with the public key of the recipient, yes. If you want to be able to read your own message later, you need to sign it with your public key as well (you can encrypt one message to multiple public keys).

So if you select three recipients does it create 3 messages, or one message that can be decrypted by all three?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Nigerian Prince on August 04, 2012, 03:34 pm
Anyone that can answer- so if I am encrypting I use the recipient's public key to do it right, not mine right?
You need to sign the message with the public key of the recipient, yes. If you want to be able to read your own message later, you need to sign it with your public key as well (you can encrypt one message to multiple public keys).

So if you select three recipients does it create 3 messages, or one message that can be decrypted by all three?
The latter.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 03:39 pm
I started out using a 2048 bit key but have recently changed to a 4096 bit key. Is this better or advisable. There also seems to be a second number (1024) associated with my key, I don't seem to be able to alter this in GPG4USB. I'd like to know what these numbers refer to (obviously I know what 4096bits means in terms of the size of a binary number but why is there two numbers)

4k is the size of your certifying and signing key, 1k is the size of your encryption key. if you made it in gpg4usb it's a crappy D+G key and you should probably start over again

There's nothing wrong with Elgamal subkeys, it's a very robust cipher and there's some evidence that Elgamal may have an edge over RSA.  DSA, on the other hand, has had a few issues recently and for most people avoiding it would probably be wise.

If your choices are a DSA/Elgamal key or an RSA/RSA key, then take the latter.  If, however, you can make an RSA/Elgamal key (like I did), then that may be an advantage.

BTW, here's the interesting post to gnupg-users from a few years ago that discusses the possible edge Elgamal has over RSA:

http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2007-November/032150.html

It was this thread that made me look up how John W. Moore III made his RSA/Elgamal key so I could do the same.  These kinds of keys aren't common, but there are a few around.

Anyone wanting to do the same can follow these instructions:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=28474.0
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 03:42 pm
Anyone that can answer- so if I am encrypting I use the recipient's public key to do it right, not mine right?
You need to sign the message with the public key of the recipient, yes. If you want to be able to read your own message later, you need to sign it with your public key as well (you can encrypt one message to multiple public keys).

There's a difference between signing and encrypting, try not to get the two terms confused.

You can encrypt a message to multiple public keys and this is commonly used so people can decrypt the messages they send.

You can also sign a message you send with your private key so people with your public key can confirm the message came from you.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 03:49 pm
Right that's what I was worried about;  1024 isn't big enough right? Could be cracked fairly easily with today's computing power?

I wouldn't say "fairly easily" but we're well on the way.  I think it is likely that the NSA could crack 1024-bit keys and aren't telling anyone.  It would still take a while, even on dedicated clusters.

If I make a better key using GPA will I be able to export it to GPG4USB?

Yes, you can export your secret key and then import it into GPG4USB.

I like the self contained portable nature of GPG4USB........I'm not sure but I think it was you who recommended it Shannon?
If I can generate a stronger key using the standard GPG package then transfer it and continue using GpG4USB that would be ideal.

Earlier i the thread it was mentioned that your master/certifying key is 4096-bits, if that's the case then you may not need to replace the whole key.  Just revoke the 1024-bit subkey and replace it with a 4096-bit subkey.

I'm guessing this is possible as GPG4USB has no problem encrypting using other peoples keys made to the newer standard?

Yes, that's right.  GPG4USB is just a port of GPG that can run off a USB stick.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 03:59 pm
So if you select three recipients does it create 3 messages, or one message that can be decrypted by all three?
The latter.

Yes.

What actually happens is GPG encrypts the message with a symmetric cipher (these days that's usually AES256, but GPG selects the algorithm based on the preferences of each key.  The symmetrically encrypted message is secured with a single use passphrase called a session key.  The session key is then encrypted seperately to each of the public keys of the recipients using the relevant asymmetric algorithm for each key (RSA or Elgamal).

If there are three recipients then the message will actually have four parts: the symmetrically encrypted data, the session key asymmetrically encrypted to the first recipient, the session key asymmetrically encrypted to the second recipient and the session key asymmetrically encrypted to the third recipient.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Hungry ghost on August 04, 2012, 04:05 pm
Thanks everyone lots of helpful information.
I will probably just create a new keypair; I only created the other one a day or so ago, haven't sent it anyone yet.
( I foolishly deleted my older key, for simplicitys sake.... I then realised I had forgotten about the  text file with reminders to all my passwords to various things, which I had encrypted to myself. oops!)

Encrypting a message to multiple recipients is cool! I find it hard to imagine the mathematics that make this possible! Still you don't need to understand something to use it; although I like to understand things when possible. That is useful, in the past I've been frustrated by not being able to remember what I put in a message and been unable to decrypt it.

Edit: just read your explanation Louis, it's not that complicated after all... Love it. I was racking my brain trying to imagine how it would work.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Hungry ghost on August 04, 2012, 04:57 pm
I love it when the solution to a problem is simple and elegant but slightly unexpected. I was thinking "how can a message be encrypted so that it's decrypt able by three different recipients? Do you encrypt it by each in turn...no wait that would be unreadable for everyone. Some kind of new algorithm that combines the other three in the same way as sound waves can be resolved into several sine waves. Hmmm"
But the solution is you don't need to encrypt the message so all three can read it. Encrypt it with a NEW symmetric key then encrypt the KEY to the three recipients! Very satisfying!
Thanks for the explanation Louis you have a talent for making things easy to understand.... Just got your name, too. I'm a bit slow sometimes but I get there in the end.
Who'd have thought a drug forum could be so intellectually stimulating.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Hungry ghost on August 04, 2012, 05:05 pm
So if you sign a message, the message can be in plaintext, and the signature performs a similar function to a checksum when you copy a file?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 05:18 pm
Thanks everyone lots of helpful information.

No problem, that's what PGP Club is for.

I will probably just create a new keypair; I only created the other one a day or so ago, haven't sent it anyone yet.

Fair enough.

( I foolishly deleted my older key, for simplicitys sake.... I then realised I had forgotten about the  text file with reminders to all my passwords to various things, which I had encrypted to myself. oops!)

I think everyone does something stupid with a key at least once, that's what teaches us to be careful.

Encrypting a message to multiple recipients is cool!

It's very useful.

I find it hard to imagine the mathematics that make this possible!

The maths behind cryptographic algorithms is very complex stuff, as are cipher designs.  Most people don't understand it and I know I don't.  I do try to pay attention to the people who do and some of the places where they discuss it.

Still you don't need to understand something to use it; although I like to understand things when possible. That is useful, in the past I've been frustrated by not being able to remember what I put in a message and been unable to decrypt it.

Yep, everyone wrestles with that at some point.

Edit: just read your explanation Louis, it's not that complicated after all... Love it. I was racking my brain trying to imagine how it would work.

Cheers.  I've tried to make my HOWTOs straight forward, step-by-step instructions.

I think that before I dive into an introduction to the command line, I might have to write one or the gpg.conf file and include some of the useful options.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 04, 2012, 05:20 pm
I love it when the solution to a problem is simple and elegant but slightly unexpected. I was thinking "how can a message be encrypted so that it's decrypt able by three different recipients? Do you encrypt it by each in turn...no wait that would be unreadable for everyone. Some kind of new algorithm that combines the other three in the same way as sound waves can be resolved into several sine waves. Hmmm"
But the solution is you don't need to encrypt the message so all three can read it. Encrypt it with a NEW symmetric key then encrypt the KEY to the three recipients! Very satisfying!
Thanks for the explanation Louis you have a talent for making things easy to understand.... Just got your name, too. I'm a bit slow sometimes but I get there in the end.
Who'd have thought a drug forum could be so intellectually stimulating.

I agree, I didn't know how the encryption to multiple recipients worked either. I had more complicated ideas too and I think they might even work, but that solution is much more elegant. Cheers Louis!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 05:33 pm
I love it when the solution to a problem is simple and elegant but slightly unexpected. I was thinking "how can a message be encrypted so that it's decrypt able by three different recipients? Do you encrypt it by each in turn...no wait that would be unreadable for everyone. Some kind of new algorithm that combines the other three in the same way as sound waves can be resolved into several sine waves. Hmmm"
But the solution is you don't need to encrypt the message so all three can read it. Encrypt it with a NEW symmetric key then encrypt the KEY to the three recipients! Very satisfying!

That's not the only reason for mixing symmetric and asymmetric encryption.  Asymmetric encryption requires more processing power due to the larger key sizes, so encrypting the majority of the data with the symmetric cipher first cuts down on the amount of processing power needed.  The session keys are usually 64 to 70 characters long and randomly generated.

Thanks for the explanation Louis you have a talent for making things easy to understand....

Thanks.  :)

Just got your name, too. I'm a bit slow sometimes but I get there in the end.

Heh.  You're only the second person to comment on it too (even though I included a great big hint in one of those HOWTOs).

Who'd have thought a drug forum could be so intellectually stimulating.

It's only the self-proclaimed authorities who want to convince everyone that all drug users are stupid.  This forum is proof of how wrong they are.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 05:36 pm
So if you sign a message, the message can be in plaintext, and the signature performs a similar function to a checksum when you copy a file?

Yes, there's a good explanation of how a signature's hashing function works written by nomodeset earlier in this thread:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=30938.msg373481#msg373481
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 05:44 pm
I agree, I didn't know how the encryption to multiple recipients worked either. I had more complicated ideas too and I think they might even work, but that solution is much more elegant.

Elegance and simplicity of design is always the ideal with cryptography.  Introducing unnecessary complexity risks introducing security flaws with it.

Exploring alternative ideas is good, but creating complex systems just for the sake of complex systems is not a good approach.

Cheers Louis!

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: whatthedamnfuck on August 04, 2012, 05:50 pm
Hello,

  Below is my Private Key.  I still don't understand, if someone sends a message to me using my key, how to decrypt it.  I guess I would copy and paste it into Kleopatra that I just got then decrypt it from there??  I looked through the user guide but I only saw how to decrypt from Outlook.  I might have missed it. 
  Any help from anyone?

I'll be glad to try and help you.  Before I start, though, I am curious... is English your second language?  If English is your second language, what is your first language (mother tongue)?



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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: whatthedamnfuck on August 04, 2012, 06:13 pm
Hello,

  Below is my Private Key.  I still don't understand... ...


Here's an extra message to be testing your skills with! :)

Personally I would recommend you use the GPA's clipboard for encryption/decryption rather than Kleopatra.



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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 06:17 pm
Ok testing this out - someone send me something :)  Thanks for the feedback from before.

Sure.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 04, 2012, 06:18 pm
Ok testing this out - someone send me something :)  Thanks for the feedback from before.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 04, 2012, 06:21 pm
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: whatthedamnfuck on August 04, 2012, 06:22 pm
Ok testing this out - someone send me something :)  Thanks for the feedback from before.


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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: whatthedamnfuck on August 04, 2012, 06:50 pm
Hello,

  Below is my Private Key.  I still don't understand, if someone sends a message to me using my key, how to decrypt it.  I guess I would copy and paste it into Kleopatra that I just got then decrypt it from there??  I looked through the user guide but I only saw how to decrypt from Outlook.  I might have missed it. 
  Any help from anyone?

I'll be glad to try and help you.  Before I start, though, I am curious... is English your second language?  If English is your second language, what is your first language (mother tongue)?



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Title: Re: issue with encryption on a Mac
Post by: jamalam on August 04, 2012, 07:46 pm
ello encrypters!

I'm pretty sure I have the hang of PGP encryption - I have utilized it several times when purchasing on SR successfully.

Yesterday, however, I made a purchase, copied, saved and added the seller's key to my encryption program GPG Keychain Access (I use a mac) - the usual message came up saying the key was added successfully and it was there visible on my key list.

But when I opened my address in wordpad and followed the usual procedure of selecting text, right-clicking, selecting services and then PGP encrypt, the window came up with my list of keys to use but the key I had just added was not there as an option to select.

I checked the GPG keychain Access window and the key was clearly there with its email address and everything but after several attempts of closing and restarting programs, deleting the key and re-adding it etc. it was still not coming up as an option to encrypt with.

In the end I just sent it via privnote which is completely useless.

I'm not particularly worried that my address got hijacked, but obviously being as secure as possible is paramount as I'm not exactly ordering a copy of Lion King from Amazon. (what an amazing movie)

I just wanna know if there are any mac users who have experienced the same thing or know what I was doing wrong or how to fix it.

Merci, gracias, danke shoen and thanks
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 751a696c24d97009 on August 04, 2012, 07:52 pm
For anybody who is just starting and needs practice or wants to just refresh their PGP skills, feel free to message me as much as you want until you feel comfortable.

My key:

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QuxFdphqxKAJgjmMsXcdhNEpGJERnDM71er8WA/3XRAlC8FHQRbUIOvQ
=JYui
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: issue with encryption on a Mac
Post by: jamalam on August 04, 2012, 08:29 pm
You can attempt to fix this by installing the nightly build of GPG Tools:

http://nightly.gpgtools.org/GPGTools_Installer-trunk.dmg


Thanks guru
Title: Re: issue with encryption on a Mac
Post by: pine on August 04, 2012, 09:34 pm
+karma to Guru for big effort on Tails stuff :)

Less happily:

In the end I just sent it via privnote which is completely useless.


Rawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwrr!!!!! >:(

Title: Re: issue with encryption on a Mac
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 04, 2012, 09:48 pm
But when I opened my address in wordpad and followed the usual procedure of selecting text, right-clicking, selecting services and then PGP encrypt, the window came up with my list of keys to use but the key I had just added was not there as an option to select.

I checked the GPG keychain Access window and the key was clearly there with its email address and everything but after several attempts of closing and restarting programs, deleting the key and re-adding it etc. it was still not coming up as an option to encrypt with.

When that happens try refreshing the key list (Command+R) and it should appear.  Many GUIs have that problem from time to time.  The key will still be in your keyring, it's just that the GUI is not reporting it.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: james420 on August 05, 2012, 04:18 am
Thanks for the help  :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: flaxceed on August 05, 2012, 05:26 am
I have a question.  Very often when I attempt to encrypt a message that I am sending to a customer, it is difficult to choose which public key belongs to them.  Why?  Well, I have a very long list of public keys.  For each key, I can see the name, email address, valid from and valid to dates, and the key ID.  But if the name or email address that the user chose when he or she made the key doesn't correspond to their username here on Silk Road, or some other bit of info that they use to link themselves to a key, I can not tell which public key belongs to them.  Maybe their username is "wetANDredE", for example, but they always send me encrypted mail and sign their messages as "JuCeeTeenA".  If when they made the public key they used the name "Jane Doe" and the email address "Jane@Doe.com" then I'm screwed.  I can't find them.  But if either of those fields- the name or the email- have wetANDredE or-or-or- JuCeeTeenA in any way in the name or email field, they are super-easy to find.

The question is- do users realize this when they make the key pair, or as a vendor is there some trick I should know to pick their key quickly and easily?  I use Kleopatra with Ubuntu.

By the way your club rocks and I want to vote one giant big fucking thumbs up on it Pine.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Wadozo on August 05, 2012, 09:46 am
I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to Pine for taking the time to message me with his detailed yet simple instructions on the correct use of PGP.  :)  :)
Title: Re: issue with encryption on a Mac
Post by: pine on August 05, 2012, 02:15 pm
+karma to Guru for big effort on Tails stuff :)

Thanks for the +1.  I notice I've gotten another -2 over the last day or two... must have pissed somebody off by telling the truth about security!
(Maybe the pigs are getting annoyed?)

Guru

Ha, I wouldn't worry about it. It's your comments that matter, not your karma, everybody on SR who isn't a newb knows to pay more attention to who is posting in terms of post quality as opposed to the karma of the poster. For example, DPR is obviously influential here, but I don't think he's even in the top five of those with the highest karma
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 05, 2012, 02:29 pm
Thanks for the help  :)

By the way your club rocks and I want to vote one giant big fucking thumbs up on it Pine.

I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to Pine for taking the time to message me with his detailed yet simple instructions on the correct use of PGP.  :)  :)

Thank you! And PGP Club is nothing without its "Axes" Guru, Louis, eJ3k1, Shannon, Nigerian Prince and all those other fellows in this thread and elsewhere across SRLand experimenting and helping out other users with PGP. To infinity and beyond! :D
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 05, 2012, 09:36 pm
I've written another GPG HOWTO, this time on the GPG configuration file with settings that most people will find useful.  The post is here:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=34204.0
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: SugarRush on August 06, 2012, 09:52 pm
Thank-you so much pine for all your time and patience with this technically dumbfounded newbie!

We got there together in the end!

Consider yourself added to my signature!

Everyone spread the word, if you care about your security, care about your PGP!

Your a lovely lady!  :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Snoopish on August 06, 2012, 10:25 pm
Success story:

I used to be paralyzed by PGP. I was made fun of and mocked everywhere and women found me inadequate. Now, thanks to my subscription to Pine's treatment program, I am a fellow PGP comrade! Men want to be me and women want to be with me!

I could not have done it without the help of this program. I give it 5 stars and a blue ribbon. I look forward to a long-term membership! If I can do it, anybody can!

Cheers.

-Snoopish
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 06, 2012, 10:44 pm
^ This could be you folks! Roll up! Roll up! :D
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: warmrain on August 06, 2012, 10:48 pm
hmmmm inspirational!  i will get there!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bonaroo on August 07, 2012, 12:26 am
Is it normal for my public key to be over the 20k character limit for PMs here? The damn thing is extremely long.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 751a696c24d97009 on August 07, 2012, 12:28 am
Is it normal for my public key to be over the 20k character limit for PMs here? The damn thing is extremely long.

Whoa, that seems a little excessive...
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: anon142 on August 07, 2012, 12:44 am
Just wanted to thank pine and everyone else in this thread. Once you get the hang of it, its hard to see how it ever confused you.

May your freedom and prosperity remain unchallenged, comrades.

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: james420 on August 07, 2012, 12:48 am
Just wanted to thank pine and everyone else in this thread. Once you get the hang of it, its hard to see how it ever confused you.

May your freedom and prosperity remain unchallenged, comrades.

Agree!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bonaroo on August 07, 2012, 03:39 am
Is it normal for my public key to be over the 20k character limit for PMs here? The damn thing is extremely long.

Even the longest keys I've ever seen, with signatures in the dozens, were never that big.

Head over to TorPM, at: http://4eiruntyxxbgfv7o.onion/pm/ and sign-up for an account. You can leave a message for me there, containing your key, so I can have a look at it.

My username on TorPM is: Guru.

BTW, if you do leave me a note over at TorPM, please encrypt it to my key, and leave me a PM on here, letting me know there is something waiting for me over at TorPM.

P.S.: I just had a thought... if you don't do it right, particularly from the command-line, you may actually export your entire public keyring into an ascii-armoured keyblock.  An individual key, however long, is extremely unlikely to be in excess of 20K -- all the public keys on your PGP keyring are another matter entirely.


Guru <Guru@SR> <Guru@TorPM>
PGP Key: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=174.msg234832#msg234832
PGP Key: http://qtt2yl5jocgrk7nu.onion/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x523FCBEE886855CA
PGP Key Fingerprint: ADBE 8D80 5F5C 9CBA 9BDB 0F05 523F CBEE 8868 55CA

I'm doing gpg --armor --export
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bonaroo on August 07, 2012, 06:05 am
pub  16384R/8BADF00D  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: C
                     trust: unknown       validity: unknown
sub  16384R/B16B00B5  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: S
sub  16384R/DEFEC8ED  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: E
sub  16384R/FACEB00C  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: A
[ unknown] (1). hi guru (su woo!) <shannon@sr>

:P
16KB from the beginning of time!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bonaroo on August 07, 2012, 06:41 am
pub  16384R/8BADF00D  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: C
                     trust: unknown       validity: unknown
sub  16384R/B16B00B5  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: S
sub  16384R/DEFEC8ED  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: E
sub  16384R/FACEB00C  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: A
[ unknown] (1). hi guru (su woo!) <shannon@sr>

:P
16KB from the beginning of time!

Well, the beginning of the Unix epoch, at least.  For some geeks at least, 1970 was the year 0, and 2038, when the Unix Epoch comes to an end...

32-bit systems can only store a maximum of 2^31 non-negative seconds (2,147,483,648 seconds or about 68 years). Which means that 32-bit UNIX systems won't be able to process time beyond 19 Jan 2038 at 3:14:07 AM GMT.

As of Tue Aug 7 06:25:41 GMT 2012 there are currently:

1,344,320,741 seconds since the UNIX epoch.

25 years, 5 months, and 11 days until 19 Jan 2038.

Guru

That is why I was saying the beginning of time lol.
 I was actually dicking around with gpg and upped the limit to 32768 bits for a key, I'm gonna see how long it takes to generate this thing.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: queenimo on August 07, 2012, 09:49 am
Cheers Pine & everybody else too.

Here's my public key:

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Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin)
Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org

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=Oxft
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

And here's my message to Pine, hope this works.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin)
Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org

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=xbVo
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

Let me know! Thanks,

~Q~
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: psykhe on August 07, 2012, 10:05 am
My public key.

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)

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a700TlHvLD2EMzPVhMlXHj5E95f+RcdfVNI=
=1ZDq
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: random0 on August 07, 2012, 11:34 am
pub  16384R/8BADF00D  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: C
                     trust: unknown       validity: unknown
sub  16384R/B16B00B5  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: S
sub  16384R/DEFEC8ED  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: E
sub  16384R/FACEB00C  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: A
[ unknown] (1). hi guru (su woo!) <shannon@sr>

:P

Is this thing real, or is it "photoshopped"?
How does someone customize the creation date and the keyIDs?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 07, 2012, 12:41 pm
took me around half an hour to gen four 16k keys and a revocation cert on a relatively crappy processor fwiw

Bumping you into the realm of +karma (welcome to the light!) because you snagged one of the rarer crypto badges: "come at me with your quantum computer bro" :D

Edit: Huh, damn 72 hour limit thing, I should say to Roberts that this karma thing is actually pretty socialist, one mammal one vote style of fing. :o
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 07, 2012, 12:53 pm
Cheers Pine & everybody else too.

Here's my public key:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

Let me know! Thanks,

~Q~

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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LOo0LlCrrRuwU6ZJnLKiqGI=
=SHep
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 07, 2012, 12:55 pm
Hello,

I'm new to SR, Tor and pretty much all of this... Trying to learn a little about security before diving off the deep end :)

I think this is my public key.  ???

Hope it works!

Take a look at your inbox for a PM psykhe! :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: queenimo on August 07, 2012, 03:20 pm
Pine, I got your message!  Thanks for practical advice how to practice more :-) If anyone needs help with GPG using Mac OS X Leopard, PM me.

~Q~


Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: happysam on August 07, 2012, 03:53 pm
This is new to me as well & very helpful as a test.
Public:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin)

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q20=
=1wxP
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

Message to Pine:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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Rtx7YZS69o3rbxrOAGMO
=jYrw
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: queenimo on August 07, 2012, 04:36 pm
Pine, I got your message!  Thanks for practical advice how to practice more :-) If anyone needs help with GPG using Mac OS X Leopard, PM me.

~Q~

You got it workingunder Leopard?  Excellent.  Now we know who to steer the Leopard users to.

Guru

Yeah, it was pain in the ass, but I got it finally working on Mac OS X 10.5.8. I downloaded this version of GPGTools https://github.com/downloads/GPGTools/GPGTools/GPGTools-20120318.dmg (LouisCyphre recommended it), and then followed your command-line instructions. I would gladly help, if somebody needs my advice.

~Q~
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 07, 2012, 05:02 pm
This is new to me as well & very helpful as a test.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

--

Also to anybody else, we are reiterating that you use either a Tormail a/c or a fake account. I know a lot of people use Gmail accounts or even Hotmail accounts which they setup through the Tor network, but that's not such a hot idea either (one reason being because it is easy to accidentally login on the clearweb to that account out of sheer habit, I mean the TBB doesn't exactly look completely different to a normal firefox or chrome browser, so it's easily done.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Twelve_Pickles on August 08, 2012, 01:10 am
Fascinating post, though it reads like you're on a seriously large dose of the uppers of your choice.  ;)

By the way, did you have any problems with my message?  It was encrypted to you, me and the other person I mentioned in it.  If it does give you any grief, decrypt it on the command line with the "-v" flag included.

Pine is high on life or possibly modafinil, coffee or chocolate at the moment. It is a toxic brew :O

other than this brew, i wonder what else pine is on.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 08, 2012, 01:19 am
Is this thing real, or is it "photoshopped"?
How does someone customize the creation date and the keyIDs?
yes it's "photoshopped"

my "private" public keys are on the mit cryptonomicon and i don't want people to connect my "shannon" account with them

Jesus, this thread gets geekier by the femtosecond, from 'the beginning of time' to the cryptonomicon, by the end of the thread nobody will have a clue what's going on.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 01:27 pm
Is it normal for my public key to be over the 20k character limit for PMs here? The damn thing is extremely long.

20Kb is very large, but not impossible for keys with lots of signatures.  Keys on Silk Road tend ot to acquire signatures because of the lack of another channel to verify the fingerprints.  My key (in my signature) is one of the larger ones and is around 5Kb.

Try importing the key and see if GPG reports that it is just your key or multiple keys.  It is possible that you exported every key in your public keyring.  If I do that I end up with around a 210Kb file containing 125 keys.

You need to specify just your key when exporting a public key file.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 01:31 pm
I'm doing gpg --armor --export

That will export the entire keyring.  You need to include your user ID or key ID after the export, for example:

gpg -a --export -o mykey.asc bonaroo

Assuming the user ID on your key contains the word bonaroo.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 01:33 pm
Is it normal for my public key to be over the 20k character limit for PMs here? The damn thing is extremely long.

Even the longest keys I've ever seen, with signatures in the dozens, were never that big.

...

P.S.: I just had a thought... if you don't do it right, particularly from the command-line, you may actually export your entire public keyring into an ascii-armoured keyblock.  An individual key, however long, is extremely unlikely to be in excess of 20K -- all the public keys on your PGP keyring are another matter entirely.

Out in the "real world" I've seen keys (and used) with enough signatures to be 100Kb or more.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 01:38 pm
pub  16384R/8BADF00D  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: C
                     trust: unknown       validity: unknown
sub  16384R/B16B00B5  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: S
sub  16384R/DEFEC8ED  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: E
sub  16384R/FACEB00C  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: A
[ unknown] (1). hi guru (su woo!) <shannon@sr>

:P

No goddamn wonder it's over 25K...   

Jesus H. Christ, your Key-IDs are hilarious!

+1 just for that!

16Kb keys with 16Kb subkeys.  That'll definitely do it.

The key ID trick is cool, I've seen 0xFEEDABEE of course (who has software available to generate them).  Personally I prefer not to draw that kind of attention, but it is funny.  It's also a good reason to use long key IDs instead of short ones.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: random0 on August 08, 2012, 01:41 pm
Is this thing real, or is it "photoshopped"?
How does someone customize the creation date and the keyIDs?
yes it's "photoshopped"

my "private" public keys are on the mit cryptonomicon and i don't want people to connect my "shannon" account with them

But it can be done regardless of that
The creation date depends on the OS time so that's easy, and the short keyID can be forged with the deadbeef attack, there's even a java code for that out there
http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2010/May/120

As far as I can understand, creating custom keyID-s  this way will produce strange long keys
Is this a security concern or will I be ok with a custom keyID when I  finally manage to find out how to use that java code?

@Pine
Why don't you use a "public" private key for the PGP club, so anyone who already knows how to use PGP can decrypt and answer to new inquires?

I just read that a private key and it's password shared between a group can be used as a secret forum where members encrypt messages to the group's public key, then any member can decrypt who knows the password and has the private key.
This way there's no hassle with the decryption because the throw-keyids option can be left out, so members with multiple private keys on their keychain won't need to go through every one of their password till they find the right one., And still noone would be able to tell who can actually decrypt the messages, because the private key and the password can be spread from one member to another, encrypted of course so even the one who encrypts the message won't know who are the members, or how many members are there.
Am I missing something?
This is so new for me and I see lots of opportunities but I might miss the obvious so please guide me here.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 01:44 pm
That is why I was saying the beginning of time lol.
 I was actually dicking around with gpg and upped the limit to 32768 bits for a key, I'm gonna see how long it takes to generate this thing.

A LOOOONG time.  Let us know how it goes or if it completely shits itself.  Some systems can't cope even if GPG is modified to generate larger keys.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 01:48 pm
Cheers Pine & everybody else too.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 01:53 pm
Hello,

I'm new to SR, Tor and pretty much all of this... Trying to learn a little about security before diving off the deep end :)

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 02:00 pm
pub  16384R/8BADF00D  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: C
                     trust: unknown       validity: unknown
sub  16384R/B16B00B5  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: S
sub  16384R/DEFEC8ED  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: E
sub  16384R/FACEB00C  created: 1970-01-01  expires: never       usage: A
[ unknown] (1). hi guru (su woo!) <shannon@sr>

:P

Is this thing real, or is it "photoshopped"?
How does someone customize the creation date and the keyIDs?

It's real.

You can generate custom short key IDs by using this software or something like it:

http://www.halfdog.net/Projects/PgpKeyTools/

That software is for DSA(D)/Elgamal(g) keys, but Shannon did it with RSA keys and I'd like to know what he used to do that.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 02:12 pm
This is new to me as well & very helpful as a test.

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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 02:29 pm
Pine, I got your message!  Thanks for practical advice how to practice more :-) If anyone needs help with GPG using Mac OS X Leopard, PM me.

You got it workingunder Leopard?  Excellent.  Now we know who to steer the Leopard users to.

Guru

Yeah, it was pain in the ass, but I got it finally working on Mac OS X 10.5.8. I downloaded this version of GPGTools https://github.com/downloads/GPGTools/GPGTools/GPGTools-20120318.dmg (LouisCyphre recommended it), and then followed your command-line instructions. I would gladly help, if somebody needs my advice.

I've never had trouble installing that version on my Leopard system, but it's not a good alternative for anyone wanting a GUI.  It only provides Keychain Access, which isn't enough for people who need a GUI.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 08, 2012, 02:33 pm
That software is for DSA(D)/Elgamal(g) keys, but Shannon did it with RSA keys and I'd like to know what he used to do that.
they aren't real keyids, i edited out the ids because i don't want people to find them on cryptonomicon.mit.edu

Fair enough.  I'd do the same thing in your shoes.

It's just funny that there is a way to make the short key IDs whatever you want, which is what I'd assumed you'd done.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bastards on August 08, 2012, 02:49 pm
Code: [Select]
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4NG3M5uqvHIgvW7MNBBg7/w5f761MQXLF/3gNH2/tw==
=fVJ5
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Did that work?

My Key:
Code: [Select]
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

mQMuBFAidlMRCACGCK0qh9zMx33qbFd5aO3Ps6XuBlesb7J/lqAGyzYmVIgq7wKy
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ZNIBAOw91UUnETCk3DenglPd3oS6m0aGQXeGVhL3nX1+o22a
=kwOZ
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 08, 2012, 03:32 pm
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----


-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

hQIOA1aDMCwA3MiFEAf/QmzEbrymrX4lI1bgo60+SsneuaffACiB5yMpv3bBliTo
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ng==
=lEox
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 08, 2012, 03:38 pm
Also, there's one thing that I would like to tell you in secret ;)

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----


-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

hQIMAwhnY4XvaeRaAQ/8CwBS0esoISOk1AkreNLinFSF9GSaa/gcwpbB3JOrT4ss
owq1wasNPV1Otjo3Fzs9hcniDIa0MV4FZPtf+5+xeiactQPxobqO8qeHpvwpviff
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il6j9TdnR/Ncgn29xTc9b0Ij
=GDEp
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bastards on August 08, 2012, 03:43 pm
I have super powers lol, funny message man haha.

So i can now communicate secretly, I skipped over PGP at first and got paranoid after sending my address twice, unencrypted. Lets hope nothing arises from that silly mistake.

Thank you for this thread Pine, I would have been lost without testing it out as that's where I was stuck, I had everything in place but had no means of testing my configuration.

Appreciate it bro....

bastards....
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bastards on August 08, 2012, 04:44 pm
How bad have I fucked up by not using PGP from the off and  sending my address in plain text over silk road? Should i be worried. I have sent it to two vendors here.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bastards on August 08, 2012, 05:20 pm
How bad have I fucked up by not using PGP from the off and  sending my address in plain text over silk road? Should i be worried. I have sent it to two vendors here.

Nothing may happen to you at all. You have to think of GPG like an insurance policy, or like seatbelts or airbags in a car.  All of these are there to protect you, if the shit hits the fan, if the worst happens.  If the SR site were ever hacked-into, you could relax knowing that your address information was safely encrypted, placing it outside the reach of a vandal or LEA scouring the site for information.

Guru

Thanks Guru, I will most definitely be using it from now on, I guess I was just eager to get some orders in and over looked using encryption. 
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Zimmie20 on August 08, 2012, 05:42 pm
I'm paralyzed!  Have downloaded the program and have imported Pine's public key.  I don't know where I'm supposed to send the message to Pine to see if it works.  Do I just post it in the message board?

I'm fining pgp very confusing.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Zimmie20 on August 08, 2012, 05:47 pm
Does this message work Pine?

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

hQGMA7pmVyGp4Z9uAQv/eCt/RaZ2OfAX91btcNFkW8P2Hec/GR05bPg0gcPiz9MQ
q3rX4ludaETnYeRPW9qcoNLytGEG8kbElud+VByWMX1MEUQkxufdYQIXzgDiQ6q2
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pobX9sWHqtOd21pgHBtmaRRjBBKy4q/1sAEgVFjGLDTTJn9q2D+d6sQrcDiaoMfE
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=Jvey
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Nigerian Prince on August 08, 2012, 05:51 pm
I'm paralyzed!  Have downloaded the program and have imported Pine's public key.  I don't know where I'm supposed to send the message to Pine to see if it works.  Do I just post it in the message board?

I'm fining pgp very confusing.
If you already have the encrypted message, you can send it to Pine in a PM or post it in this thread.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 08, 2012, 07:45 pm
Does this message work Pine?

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----


Apparently there's an annoying canine keeping you up at night! :o

Also, check your PM inbox.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: StenoJ on August 09, 2012, 04:01 am
I am having problems decrypting a message. Anyone up to help me with a .practce run to make sure things are working right on my end? I Keep getting "Clipboard" contained no OpenPGP data.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 09, 2012, 04:18 am
I am having problems decrypting a message. Anyone up to help me with a .practce run to make sure things are working right on my end? I Keep getting "Clipboard" contained no OpenPGP data.

Does the message include the -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- and -----END PGP MESSAGE----- lines?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: StenoJ on August 09, 2012, 04:31 am
Yea, It looks as if its a proper PGP message. The sender said he/she were new to pgp. The sender thought he/she was suppose to encrypt with their key and I could decrypt using their personal key.  I explained it was the other way around and they needed to encrypt with my key and I sent mine in the following reply. Still can't decrypt the new pgp message though. I'm not saying they are doing it wrong, just need to make sure I'm not messing up being new to it as well. lol ::) I know, blind leading the blind eh?  :-\
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 09, 2012, 04:41 am
Yea, It looks as if its a proper PGP message. The sender said he/she were new to pgp. The sender thought he/she was suppose to encrypt with their key and I could decrypt using their personal key.  I explained it was the other way around and they needed to encrypt with my key and I sent mine in the following reply. Still can't decrypt the new pgp message though. I'm not saying they are doing it wrong, just need to make sure I'm not messing up being new to it as well. lol ::) I know, blind leading the blind eh?  :-\

Your explanation is the right one.  If you PM the message to me I can have a look and tell you which key the message was encrypted to or if there's something wrong with it which would prevent GPG from decrypting it.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Lucius Luv on August 09, 2012, 05:31 am
Glad i am taking the proper steps to protect myself before i purchased any btc, and sent my info to vendor.  i have a feeling pine has been around these types of play grounds -playing security god for a long time.  Def a good teacher.

it amazes me the chances some kids are willing to take..  maybe they have daddy or mommy to bail them out? 

either case, i'm protecting my drop..  you guys n gals should realize, we are soldiers and generals, this is a war.  8)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: StenoJ on August 09, 2012, 05:39 am
I still can't decrypt but all my other pgp messages have the "Version GnuPG..." where the emotion is. The senders messages doesn't. Is that somehow the issue?

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)  ???

hQEMA7pAFb1NZRilAQf+L8uwTh+uoU/69kTbamDBiHIN


I posted the pm just in case it may help other users. Thank again for the help.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Lucius Luv on August 09, 2012, 03:50 pm
ok, one question to anyone... this seems to be my only problem, then i am good to go.

how do i encrypt my message with somebodies public key within the gnu clipboard?

i tried to import, but in what format should i save someone's public key for me to be able to import?

also...  it is not a good idea to store my private key back up on my computer?  ie does it contain my passphrase within it?

thx
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Nahmen on August 09, 2012, 06:37 pm
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: haneWIN JavascriptPG v2.0

hQEMAwob3obD9n4oAQf+N2VhVA/HfU9XwZ8LKZJO7eyLJZ+n0gvTGp2YGt9N
l3pUyETwPuBDCNm3F0WdyGLW4iiPiEjz5WK2g7tXxpNdDTglS5UUiMnZWPR4
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O7XtWZNRKAC2eJJM6rWJCtwQwAoEsk3pNmSnj9vQnrQ/9a/YyLkhf/pWsSDO
hoyuObyZm+WsLcKJeMbOikMuFMqlqEW6JLubGPioUSs8cyECd2b0YB5ziIGv
sLqrcGSvTs3bJh3EWbkdYnGJyJmmJYQCQnuCjwO29IvJ9oLMSjCbtLFKYMYr
D6RAIOM/du3P4/UOpAEyKvJ8oamNR1zUM84I4bIae7RWFqOZIy43naLfJ7ww
bMB+qqF9AMnSEnj0GdAAmRyDxNoeRA==
=3bHl
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----


How's this?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 09, 2012, 08:02 pm
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: haneWIN JavascriptPG v2.0

hQEMAwob3obD9n4oAQf+N2VhVA/HfU9XwZ8LKZJO7eyLJZ+n0gvTGp2YGt9N
l3pUyETwPuBDCNm3F0WdyGLW4iiPiEjz5WK2g7tXxpNdDTglS5UUiMnZWPR4
2tFmUZNp9WvciaXZkCEZXN9JjYEE/znbH5m540JD6DADZaCTlItDO4ao7Z1d
O7XtWZNRKAC2eJJM6rWJCtwQwAoEsk3pNmSnj9vQnrQ/9a/YyLkhf/pWsSDO
hoyuObyZm+WsLcKJeMbOikMuFMqlqEW6JLubGPioUSs8cyECd2b0YB5ziIGv
sLqrcGSvTs3bJh3EWbkdYnGJyJmmJYQCQnuCjwO29IvJ9oLMSjCbtLFKYMYr
D6RAIOM/du3P4/UOpAEyKvJ8oamNR1zUM84I4bIae7RWFqOZIy43naLfJ7ww
bMB+qqF9AMnSEnj0GdAAmRyDxNoeRA==
=3bHl
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----


How's this?

Who did you intend to encrypt it to?

bash-3.2$ gpg -v dkn255hz262ypmii.onion.2g231u372a.html
gpg: armor header: Version: haneWIN JavascriptPG v2.0
gpg: public key is 0x0A1BDE86C3F67E28
gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 0x0A1BDE86C3F67E28
gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available
bash-3.2$ gpg -k 0x0A1BDE86C3F67E28
gpg: error reading key: public key not found
bash-3.2$ pgpdump dkn255hz262ypmii.onion.2g231u372a.html
Old: Public-Key Encrypted Session Key Packet(tag 1)(268 bytes)
   New version(3)
   Key ID - 0x0A1BDE86C3F67E28
   Pub alg - RSA Encrypt or Sign(pub 1)
   RSA m^e mod n(2046 bits) - ...
      -> m = sym alg(1 byte) + checksum(2 bytes) + PKCS-1 block type 02
Old: Symmetrically Encrypted Data Packet(tag 9)(64 bytes)
   Encrypted data [sym alg is specified in pub-key encrypted session key]
bash-3.2$

Also, don't use that web page to encrypt with.  It is deprecated.  Install GPG instead.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: getonthebus on August 09, 2012, 09:08 pm
i need some help
thank you for what you do.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

hQGMA7pmVyGp4Z9uAQv6AgQ7L9rp2Rx5e/8zO3TNuQX0ZfwS8QTD/lSuH+0EIahU
Co9vBgQkLWSgfn7GGeORSMbkY4V+AsNXLxFrzBMSva0mkwdx5iA9csws690Ji+mV
fwx+APhbaafUTWZ8dE74L1CuSumNRr0WMKufFrVdbWAoa2bBv7dH19RfFA+MlZ4G
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Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bastards on August 09, 2012, 09:17 pm
If anyone needs help with pgp/gpg in Linux give me a shout and I will run you through it. :)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 10, 2012, 01:07 am
I've just added another GPG guide to the board:

GPG HOWTO: Introduction to the GPG command line
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=35022.0
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 10, 2012, 03:42 am
i need some help
thank you for what you do.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----


Hi, check your inbox.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: bnghit3 on August 10, 2012, 04:13 am
I have a public key provided by countermail, I am just not sure where to enter the code when i want to encrypt a simple message over SR.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 10, 2012, 04:35 am
I have a public key provided by countermail, I am just not sure where to enter the code when i want to encrypt a simple message over SR.

If your keys are stored on Countermail's servers then they are potentially as bad as Hushmail and you should avoid them.  If the keys are generated on Countermail's servers then you're in the same boat.

Either way, you're better off installing GPG on your own system.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 10, 2012, 04:39 am
I have a public key provided by countermail, I am just not sure where to enter the code when i want to encrypt a simple message over SR.

Okay, just dug a little deeper into the Countermail site.  They're using the BCPG Java libraries.

So, to you and everyone else reading this: STAY AWAY FROM COUNTERMAIL!

Dump the account, dump the keys and install GPG locally.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BabyPowder35 on August 10, 2012, 05:22 am
ok..can someone help me thru this..i've installed everything as usual.have my private and public keys.so when i wanna send an encrypted message to my vendor,i copy his public key,paste it into my clipboard..what do i do next..do i type in the message i wanna send to him  it  and encrypt it..and copy and paste in his msg box..any advice would be greatly appreciated..thks guys

BP
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: getonthebus on August 10, 2012, 05:39 am
I was successful and sending my message. Hot damn.....:jump
 But I failed to provide my own working pgp key... :bang head

I should be giving advice since I don't know what I'm doing but.

Baby powder- u write ur message on the clipboard and then click encrypt a new box will open and click on the key/keys that u want to send to.
U don't put their key on the clipboard.  U put Yours so they can send u one back. But that is where I messed up. So I'm learning to.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 10, 2012, 05:53 am
ok..can someone help me thru this..i've installed everything as usual.have my private and public keys.so when i wanna send an encrypted message to my vendor,i copy his public key,paste it into my clipboard..what do i do next..do i type in the message i wanna send to him  it  and encrypt it..and copy and paste in his msg box..any advice would be greatly appreciated..thks guys

BP

Hello,

No, you don't do that. You don't post the vendors public key into the clipboard that is. You need to copy paste it into a text file e.g. notepad and save it. Then import that file into the GPA software that comes with the GPG package you downloaded.

After that, you go back to the clipboard and type up your message. Then you click encrypt and select the vendor's public key from the list. Da da! Done. Now send that to the vendor.

Ideally though, try this with pine first. Give me your public key and also try to send me an encrypted message using my public key (2nd pine post in this thread)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 10, 2012, 05:54 am
I was successful and sending my message. Hot damn.....:jump
 But I failed to provide my own working pgp key... :bang head

I should be giving advice since I don't know what I'm doing but.

Baby powder- u write ur message on the clipboard and then click encrypt a new box will open and click on the key/keys that u want to send to.
U don't put their key on the clipboard.  U put Yours so they can send u one back. But that is where I messed up. So I'm learning to.

Hi,

You need to make your own PGP key. You do this by installing the GPG package, Part of it is called GPA. Run that program. Go to 'Keys' on the menu and create a PGP key. You will need to decide on 3 things:
    - how secure the encryption is, represented by key length e.g. 2048 bit, 4096 bit and so on.
    - what name to use. I strongly advise this to be your SR username on the forums so I can find you later.
    - what email to use. You should use either a fake email or a tormail a/c email address.

Then PM me your public key. You get this by selecting copy on your PGP key you created in the GPA list of keys and pasting it in the PM.

Cheers!

Pine
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: You Know on August 10, 2012, 07:21 am
Pine! Thank you for everything you have been a great help (you dont know me I have been reading many of y our posts) I am going to PM you an ecrypted message, please let me know if i did it right and you have some time as well take a quick minute to write me back if you can!! Thanks again for everything!

You Know

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (MingW32)

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xQ==
=Y2xd
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Slugger on August 10, 2012, 07:39 am
*
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)

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=w5N6
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
*

So is anybody able to decrypt this? Or just you Pine?  8)
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: queenimo on August 10, 2012, 09:06 am
*
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)

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=w5N6
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
*

So is anybody able to decrypt this? Or just you Pine?  8)

At least I didn't manage to decrypt it, because I don't  have a secret key. I assume it's Pine's  ;)

~Q~
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 10, 2012, 09:49 am
*
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
*

So is anybody able to decrypt this? Or just you Pine?  8)

At least I didn't manage to decrypt it, because I don't  have a secret key. I assume it's Pine's  ;)

~Q~

It's definitely only encrypted with one key, but that key isn't Pine's:

Quote
bash-3.2$ pgpdump slugger.txt.asc
Old: Public-Key Encrypted Session Key Packet(tag 1)(268 bytes)
   New version(3)
   Key ID - 0x8D59AD38E590E7CE
   Pub alg - RSA Encrypt or Sign(pub 1)
   RSA m^e mod n(2047 bits) - ...
      -> m = sym alg(1 byte) + checksum(2 bytes) + PKCS-1 block type 02
New: Symmetrically Encrypted and MDC Packet(tag 18)(75 bytes)
   Ver 1
   Encrypted data [sym alg is specified in pub-key encrypted session key]
      (plain text + MDC SHA1(20 bytes))
bash-3.2$ gpg -k 0x8D59AD38E590E7CE
gpg: error reading key: public key not found
bash-3.2$

I'm guessing it was encrypted with Slugger's key, but since that key (0x8D59AD38E590E7CE) is not in my keyring I can't be certain.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 10, 2012, 10:02 am
Pine! Thank you for everything you have been a great help (you dont know me I have been reading many of y our posts) I am going to PM you an ecrypted message, please let me know if i did it right and you have some time as well take a quick minute to write me back if you can!! Thanks again for everything!

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=JCNp
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Slugger on August 10, 2012, 10:07 am
*
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)

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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
*

So is anybody able to decrypt this? Or just you Pine?  8)

At least I didn't manage to decrypt it, because I don't  have a secret key. I assume it's Pine's  ;)

~Q~

It's definitely only encrypted with one key, but that key isn't Pine's:

Quote
bash-3.2$ pgpdump slugger.txt.asc
Old: Public-Key Encrypted Session Key Packet(tag 1)(268 bytes)
   New version(3)
   Key ID - 0x8D59AD38E590E7CE
   Pub alg - RSA Encrypt or Sign(pub 1)
   RSA m^e mod n(2047 bits) - ...
      -> m = sym alg(1 byte) + checksum(2 bytes) + PKCS-1 block type 02
New: Symmetrically Encrypted and MDC Packet(tag 18)(75 bytes)
   Ver 1
   Encrypted data [sym alg is specified in pub-key encrypted session key]
      (plain text + MDC SHA1(20 bytes))
bash-3.2$ gpg -k 0x8D59AD38E590E7CE
gpg: error reading key: public key not found
bash-3.2$

I'm guessing it was encrypted with Slugger's key, but since that key (0x8D59AD38E590E7CE) is not in my keyring I can't be certain.

Yes I believe it is my key, my bad.. Let me try again. This should be directed towards you.


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Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux)

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=UqeN
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 10, 2012, 10:27 am
I'm guessing it was encrypted with Slugger's key, but since that key (0x8D59AD38E590E7CE) is not in my keyring I can't be certain.

Yes I believe it is my key, my bad.. Let me try again. This should be directed towards you.

You encrypted that message with the same key.  Also, you need to post your public key if you want any of us to be able to encrypt messages to you.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on August 10, 2012, 12:19 pm
I've been playing with RSA a little bit. Experts, can you decrypt this?

prime number 1 = 99824436184198322104263449
prime number 2 = 33105432941333695987244983
public key exponent e  = 979739313180773535408836153225

encrypted message: 848557212268426148401049736663160615402469231090346
---
Also a  small question. My computer factors a 50 digit pseudoprime almost instantly. So when I use regular GPG, how big are those prime numbers?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on August 10, 2012, 03:18 pm
It's a pretty number. You'll know you've got it right when you see it.


Thanks for that info. I think I get it now. If a number has 4096 bits in binary, the biggest number that can fit in it is 2^4097 -1 (ie: all bits are ones)

And for a 4096 bit key, the largest possible prime is this one (below). It has 1234 digits in the decimal system (and of course 4096 in the binary system. Most of them are ones.).

If you multiply two of those beasts, you'll get something with like 2500 digits. Yeah I guess that will take time to factor.

2088777762826305013383505421433248765159928498094767560768466966567907
8159431149136976536238699951166817802134288785256759751468763715872145
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0686564693860605339288611805003194479973542843108338767111977058297263
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3698569273625110045199660082468956972519134898438923404761301182649122
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8058322738534166857128814608957999438035629315269464477005345061197995
9199218159893840354924963543689973491131850035665814094623886633110161
5136443693143492746593769825639040634914004881853233821748296770156823
8596090459637146779552962062521718060026048269343794533464329830222632
05841563476066872180487609416680806308379889
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Zero Gravity on August 10, 2012, 03:34 pm
 ;D Schnitzeljagd :

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/05a918c2de
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 10, 2012, 04:12 pm
@Slugger

Check your PM inbox.

Also, to anybody confused by eJ3k1 and Shannon's discussion regarding key length, a 1024 bit PGP key is considered small today, but the prime numbers used in those keys are still very large.

Here's an example to show you what I mean.

000

That is a binary number above, it is 0 in a 3 bit space.

Here are the possible permutations within that 3 bit memory:

000
100
110
111
001
010
011
101

Altogether you have 8 possible patterns you can fit into 3 bits of memory. Remember a bit is short hand for 'binary digit'.

This means you can represent 8 numbers from zero to seven. It could represent 8 flavors of jelly jean if you so choose (yum!) but we are thinking of that space as representing numbers instead (to the detriment of science progress *stomach growls*).

Now, a 1024 bit key, uses a 1024 bit space in which to store a number.

That means there are: 161521746670640296426473658228859984306663144318152681524054709078245736590366297248377298082656939330673286493230336261991466938596691073112968626710792148904239628873374506302653492009810626437582587089465395941375496004739918498276676334238241465498030036586063929902368192004233172032080188726965600617167 possible numbers in that 1024 bits of memory. Big space. Lots of huge prime aggressor beasts in the numba jungle.

Anyway if you then multiply two large prime numbers from that set of that size you get a much bigger number. In order to obtain the private key I believe (correct me if I'm wrong here gang) you'll need to factorize that big number to obtain the prime numbers. That is if you are using brute force it means you'll be doing about a gazillion (that I believe is the scientific term) divisions to work out what primes made that composite number.

To put this in some perspective, in 2009 several cryptanalysts factored a 232 digit number, using hundreds of machines over 2 years (the number above is 309 digits long and you haven't even seen the length of the prime multiplication yet).

Anyway, nobody needs to know this stuff to actually use PGP (which is why I put this at the end, haha!)

But seriously, while PGP is good, it behoove us to not become complacent, cryptography is a field in which sudden sweeping changes can occur like earthquakes if a new mathematical breakthrough is made. Eventually we'll probably move on to ECC crypto which has more advantages over RSA.

If Louis is about I'd be interested to hear his thoughts on ECC and whether there is any good open source implementations as of yet.

The main advantage of ECC (ECC club coming soon to a black market darknet near you!) is the public keys are a lot shorter in size. The reason why this is good is because in the near future quantum computers will almost certainly eventually weaken existing public key cryptography by reducing its power by half. As such, everybody will double their PGP key sizes to counteract that technology, but this becomes severely unwieldy when everybody is using 16kb keys or greater, not something you can causally pop onto a forum post or write in a letter.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: You Know on August 10, 2012, 07:46 pm
Pine! Thank you for everything you have been a great help (you dont know me I have been reading many of y our posts) I am going to PM you an ecrypted message, please let me know if i did it right and you have some time as well take a quick minute to write me back if you can!! Thanks again for everything!

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Thank you for taking the time out to send me a message, I was able to decrypt it no problem and you are right in everything you said inside, i am using kleopatra as it is the tutorials i watched and so on, I will go ahead and attempt to add a sub key a bit later when I get a chance and will try and send  you a message! Thanks again!!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 10, 2012, 07:47 pm
gpg 2.1 does ecc

Must investigate, looks like I have an outdated version (scandal at PGP club!) :D
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BenCousins on August 11, 2012, 01:47 am
Is it possible to re-read a message i wrote and then encryped to somebody else?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 11, 2012, 02:08 am
Is it possible to re-read a message i wrote and then encryped to somebody else?

Yes, you can do that by "encrypting your message twice", by which I mean you when you are encrypting to whoever your recipient is as per usual, you also simultaneously encrypt the message to your own public key.

That's in parallel, not sequentially. N.B.

You achieve this on the GUI with the GPA by holding down the Ctrl key and selecting both yourself and your recipient when time comes to encrypt the message. Test this first!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BenCousins on August 11, 2012, 05:09 am
Is it possible to re-read a message i wrote and then encryped to somebody else?

Yes, you can do that by "encrypting your message twice", by which I mean you when you are encrypting to whoever your recipient is as per usual, you also simultaneously encrypt the message to your own public key.

That's in parallel, not sequentially. N.B.

You achieve this on the GUI with the GPA by holding down the Ctrl key and selecting both yourself and your recipient when time comes to encrypt the message. Test this first!

i thought this would just end up in me seeing the encrypted message that i originally encrypted?

BC
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BenCousins on August 11, 2012, 05:26 am
tried this and all i got was the scrambled encryption i sent to someone. Bloody hell im to benzo'd up tereforo remember the questions i ask someone so therefore i dont know what the hell they are replying to
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BenCousins on August 11, 2012, 06:00 am

Bloody hell im to benzo'd up tereforo remember the questions i ask someone so therefore i dont know what the hell they are replying to

That is a mistake -- a big one.  You should make it an iron-clad rule, NEVER to use the computer when tired, drunk or high. That is a primary rule I live by, and it has helped to keep me safe for the better part of two decades, now.  When you're tired, drunk, or high, you cannot think clearly, and should not be engaging in any activity where making a mistake could be costly.

Guru

if that was a requirement here they  would have 1/8 traffic. Not like im doing anything rrisky. acessing this forum or the main site isnt even illegal.
also what if i was completely sober and still couldnt remmeber the previous GPG exchange due to volume of GPG conversations? anly help?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Slugger on August 11, 2012, 08:22 am
I'm now an active member of the PGP club :)
Thanks Pine!
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BenCousins on August 11, 2012, 08:28 am

Bloody hell im to benzo'd up tereforo remember the questions i ask someone so therefore i dont know what the hell they are replying to

That is a mistake -- a big one.  You should make it an iron-clad rule, NEVER to use the computer when tired, drunk or high. That is a primary rule I live by, and it has helped to keep me safe for the better part of two decades, now.  When you're tired, drunk, or high, you cannot think clearly, and should not be engaging in any activity where making a mistake could be costly.

Guru

if that was a requirement here they  would have 1/8 traffic. Not like im doing anything rrisky. acessing this forum or the main site isnt even illegal.

Perhaps... perhaps not. Laws can change in the blink of an eye -- what is legal today can be made illegal overnight.  In one jurisdiction that I am aware of, the police spent a few months gathering information on people who were engaged in perfectly legal activity. The police had a heads-up that the law was going to be changed, that the possession of certain items was going to be made illegal. After the law changed, and came into effect, the police visited many of those whose activities they had monitored. Those who were found in possession of the newly-proscribed items were arrested, even though when purchased/obtained, they were perfectly legal.

also what if i was completely sober and still couldnt remmeber the previous GPG exchange due to volume of GPG conversations? anly help?

If you don't have a copy of the message encrypted to your own key, the only option you have is to get the other party to send you a copy of the message exchange, if they still have it.  Look at it this way... if there was an easy way to break PGP-encrypted materials, it wouldn't provide much protection, would it? Don't you think the authorities would use such a method, if it existed?

Guru
how wlould i know if its enmcrypted to my own key?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: eJ3k1 on August 11, 2012, 08:38 am
To put this in some perspective, in 2009 several cryptanalysts factored a 232 digit number, using hundreds of machines over 2 years (the number above is 309 digits long and you haven't even seen the length of the prime multiplication yet).
Wait a second. The largest pseudoprime that is cracked (factored) was a 232 digit number.

The two primes in a 1024 digit key are both around 300 long. Therefore, the pseudoprime (what you get when you multiply the two), is around 600 digits long. That is way way bigger.

Can I conclude from that, that -with technology as it is today- a 1024b key is actually extremely safe and anything bigger is overkill?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: pine on August 11, 2012, 12:40 pm
To put this in some perspective, in 2009 several cryptanalysts factored a 232 digit number, using hundreds of machines over 2 years (the number above is 309 digits long and you haven't even seen the length of the prime multiplication yet).
Wait a second. The largest pseudoprime that is cracked (factored) was a 232 digit number.

The two primes in a 1024 digit key are both around 300 long. Therefore, the pseudoprime (what you get when you multiply the two), is around 600 digits long. That is way way bigger.

Can I conclude from that, that -with technology as it is today- a 1024b key is actually extremely safe and anything bigger is overkill?

No. For one thing, quantum cryptanalysis with quantum computer is going to become available as a service at some point and when it does the majority of popular algorithms used in asymmetric encryption lose half their efficiency, turning a 1024 bit key into the equivalent of a 512 bit one.

Secondly 1024 bit RSA keys have been already cracked using off the shelf hardware 2 years ago in 100 hours. Cryptanalysis is not just about pure computing power and factorizing to hunt primes, there are weaknesses like the fact that good pseduorandom numbers are hard to generate, human factors etc.

You have to constantly keep in mind that there are people with Eisenstein levels of intellect trying to break keys/ciphers etc and being given near infinite resources by nation states. Remember that the Enigma machine was broken only partly due to cryptographic weakness, it was also human laziness or arrogance. It's less commonly known that the Japanese Navy and diplomatic office believed they had the perfect cipher machine, but the US had been reading their messages since before Pearl Harbor. They lost the war on the desks of the cryptanalysts before it even began.

Quote
In operation, the enciphering machine accepted typewritten input (in the Roman alphabet) and produced ciphertext output, and vice versa when deciphering messages. The result was a potentially excellent cryptosystem. In fact, operational errors, chiefly in key choice, made the system less secure than it could have been; in that way the Purple code shared the fate of the German Enigma machine. The cipher was broken by a team from the US Army Signals Intelligence Service, then directed by William Friedman in 1940. Reconstruction of the Purple machine was based on ideas of Larry Clark. Advances into the understanding of Purple keying procedures were made by Lt Francis A. Raven, USN. Raven discovered that the Japanese had divided the month into three 10-days periods, and within each period they used the keys of the first day with small predictable changes.

The Japanese believed it to be unbreakable throughout the war, and even for some time after the war, even though they had been informed otherwise by the Germans.

You can never be paranoid enough in the field of cryptography, only the paranoid survive. Like Louis said already, there is no "overkill", there is only "keep firing" and "I need to reload".
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 11, 2012, 02:01 pm
gpg 2.1 does ecc

Yep, but GPG 2.1 isn't stable yet.  Someone recently posted major problems compiling the beta on Linux on gnupg-users and I haven't seen a success story on that yet.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 11, 2012, 02:05 pm
gpg 2.1 does ecc

Must investigate, looks like I have an outdated version (scandal at PGP club!) :D

The current stable versions of GPG are 1.4.12 and 2.0.19.  We shouldn't switch to 2.1 until it is released as a stable version (at which point it will replace both 1.4.x and 2.0.x).  It's not ready yet.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 11, 2012, 02:06 pm
Is it possible to re-read a message i wrote and then encryped to somebody else?

If you encrypted it to yourself as well as the recipient then you can decrypt it and then encrypt that to any other recipient.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 11, 2012, 02:08 pm
gpg 2.1 does ecc

That'll be nice. I wonder if the 1.5.x version will include it as well -- that would be so damn sweet!

There won't be a 1.5 or 1.6.  According to Werner 2.1 is the future.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 11, 2012, 02:15 pm
how wlould i know if its enmcrypted to my own key?

If you get an error message saying "secret key not available" then it is not encrypted to your key.

I suggest you read my instructions for configuring GPG to automatically encrypt everything to your own key:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=34204.0
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 11, 2012, 03:35 pm
gpg 2.1 does ecc

That'll be nice. I wonder if the 1.5.x version will include it as well -- that would be so damn sweet!

There won't be a 1.5 or 1.6.  According to Werner 2.1 is the future.

<Sigh!> That's what I was afraid of.  I know that Werner had made noises about the 2.x series eventually becoming the default....

Yep, lurking on gnupg-users confirmed that.

While the addition of ECC will be very welcome,

It will indeed.  2.1 will also see the return of IDEA now that the patent has expired and the availability of Serpent for symmetric encryption.

I have to  wonder whether 2.1 will break all the current front-ends that so many people rely on.

Maybe, it probably depends on each client.

I know how to use the command-line, but I find gedit and seahorse _so_ damn convenient, it's not funny. 

If the GUIs are just calling the command line and piping the output and input in the right ways then it only matters if the options are hanged and I don't believe that's the case.  Certainly Enigmail runs the GPG commands in the background and you can check the debug log or console to see what it's actually doing.

I find myself wondering how long it's going to take the authors of the various GPG front-ends to revamp their offerings so as to work with  2.1.  For example, the authors of Kleopatra hasn't even updated the default RSA key format, and that change was made 3 years ago now!

I think it will vary according to each frontend and the methods each uses to perform different functions.  I reckon Enigmail will keep working, which means all those Debian versions of it will be fine.  Obviously GPA will be updated to play nicely where such updates may be necessary.

I have the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that this is going to be a train wreck.... new key formats, broken front-ends.  The problem is, that software tends to persist -- just look at the train-wreck that is Portable PGP 1.0.x. -- the authors either cannot, or worse -- will not -- update their software to conform with current standards.  I see things as only getting worse when 2.1 arrives on the scene.  I hope to hell I'm wrong, but I don't think I'm gonna be.

I'm not sure it will be as bad as you imagine.  It might be just enough to leave BCPG in the dustbin of history where it belongs, though.  Once that's dealt with we can more effectively kick all those implementations which rely on it (Portable PGP, IGolder, Countermail, etc.) to the kerb.

There will be delays between the initial release of GPG 2.1 and other bundles (e.g. GPG4Win, GPGTools, GPG4USB).  That's to be expected, though.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: goofus on August 11, 2012, 06:11 pm
To Pine using her pgp club public key

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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=o614
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: joepinko on August 11, 2012, 06:27 pm
I am spending some time to finally sit down and figure out how to completely use pgp. Does anyone have any experience using seahorse and know of a good tutorial? I have got the key generated and have imported pines, I just need to figure out how you send the message. Is it as simple as writing a document with the public key on top, writing the message and then sending that file?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: turquoisecrayon on August 11, 2012, 07:14 pm
I thought I had this PGP thing licked, but apparently not. The last two vendors I encrypted my address for have gotten errors.

"Error in operation result:
No valid UTF-8 at position 0"

The weird thing is that I tested my encryption on this website and it worked fine: http://p3lr4cdm3pv4plyj.onion/test.php

Here is a message I encrypted for both TorID (at the link above) and Club PGP.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

hQGMA7pmVyGp4Z9uAQv/daa2hTBu0ps86gOlKsdJ6IX7jgqC3n1VP2m/2i3jejAm
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am8WhRgKfXsUCtbtsJN/eOTgsSeKzlcXxCnlodluQ1ozo7BRIoUWrostpl9n6tSs
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JIlLi4TUbqC5G4fUh/K4u5g1DTmXLedEqCtQQBuTi3XShwEc7uSv+SBjBzoLJ7k9
aRYcb0rMM1RJ097CLISWDgOkWOOFjiVuVaGoWLCaW/8dd1QJu1FZgChou58fncYw
mJMrV5Wd7R4Lec/Z47XL39oIhz4AR9PyX82FKa2X9YMoEy8D7bTT2LSzdiUj3+o8
sJ2BxoNeRzeKCD6N6ogNmGzxM1qLve4j1w==
=20YL
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

Any crypto-anarchists have any idea why this isn't working?
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Nahmen on August 12, 2012, 12:57 am


Who did you intend to encrypt it to?


The original public key given. Pine's I believe.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 12, 2012, 01:00 am
alright pine,hope i get this right..my public key..
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (MingW32)

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQJucvAAoJEPrKSA5HuE4XVAQIAKvTYg71eG0Tk/GIagyhVfci
aSbHcfiM1AZdGCA5aLy3/3IE6quxQ985tdPz8u8I7CjhG0WZawEj6pi5kF5mwSdB
feX7et7praCL5kpaJKYdzpRPng3rLNuFgcFkikdR9WuNK9XMHmhC5AAsegVyJ3fT
K75Q+rZWkEc41wP8sobxQKqHCiHP4C047+myuPfDnua93pGQiN/jOm/W+Y9nZhmP
9GW++OVVJjWgqytWCfqgYHNluN+5LT6IBpl9bWSQyHjN36yW+57QYQAbxPAl8F2S
BcX7XuJ7QE+RthCfKVXfhnuFx8LSn7JP8SS73lEazEjU6rzAmXDuJ17Dewe1+SU=
=eAEZ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

That's not a public key, that's a message signature of no data it appears.  When you export your key it will begin with this line at the top:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: turquoisecrayon on August 12, 2012, 02:09 am
Thanks Guru ... but I am not sure exactly what that output you posted tells us. I see the "secret key not available" at the end. Here is the message encrypted to your public key if you care to run it through. I am using Kleopatra version 2.1.0, which I think would be the most commonly used. The vendor told me he has had no problem decrypting numerous other messages today so I am still clueless.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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=Ka1A
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: turquoisecrayon on August 12, 2012, 06:43 am
No, that is tremendously helpful and informative. Thank you.  :)

For some reason I worry about pissing off vendors but I guess the best thing to do here is take another crack at it. I'm buying Changa.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BenCousins on August 12, 2012, 08:28 am

Bloody hell im to benzo'd up tereforo remember the questions i ask someone so therefore i dont know what the hell they are replying to

That is a mistake -- a big one.  You should make it an iron-clad rule, NEVER to use the computer when tired, drunk or high. That is a primary rule I live by, and it has helped to keep me safe for the better part of two decades, now.  When you're tired, drunk, or high, you cannot think clearly, and should not be engaging in any activity where making a mistake could be costly.

Guru

if that was a requirement here they  would have 1/8 traffic. Not like im doing anything rrisky. acessing this forum or the main site isnt even illegal.

Perhaps... perhaps not. Laws can change in the blink of an eye -- what is legal today can be made illegal overnight.  In one jurisdiction that I am aware of, the police spent a few months gathering information on people who were engaged in perfectly legal activity. The police had a heads-up that the law was going to be changed, that the possession of certain items was going to be made illegal. After the law changed, and came into effect, the police visited many of those whose activities they had monitored. Those who were found in possession of the newly-proscribed items were arrested, even though when purchased/obtained, they were perfectly legal.

also what if i was completely sober and still couldnt remmeber the previous GPG exchange due to volume of GPG conversations? anly help?

If you don't have a copy of the message encrypted to your own key, the only option you have is to get the other party to send you a copy of the message exchange, if they still have it.  Look at it this way... if there was an easy way to break PGP-encrypted materials, it wouldn't provide much protection, would it? Don't you think the authorities would use such a method, if it existed?

Guru
how wlould i know if its enmcrypted to my own key?

Easiest way to do that is to try to decrypt the message. If you get prompted for your passphrase, it's encrypted to your key. If you get an error message like, "You do not have the secret key" the message is not encrypted to one of your keys.

When I commented to you that, as a general rule, one should not compute under the influence, it was not intended as a personal rebuke.  Rather, it is a reflection of long experience, and having made some disastrous errors.  Computers and computer software can at times be rather unforgiving; that is why it is important to be clear-headed, and to be able to devote one's full faculties to the task(s) at hand.

Guru

I just write it on the clipboard then encrypt with whoevers key and copy and paste to them. this message of course will be in my sent items box but say i want to try and reread what i sent to this person so i know what questions exactly they are replying to, I try and re copy and paste my original PGP message to them, back onto my clipboard and it says is "clipboard contained no valid encrypted data"

BC
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BabyPowder35 on August 12, 2012, 10:12 am
ok..can someone help me thru this..i've installed everything as usual.have my private and public keys.so when i wanna send an encrypted message to my vendor,i copy his public key,paste it into my clipboard..what do i do next..do i type in the message i wanna send to him  it  and encrypt it..and copy and paste in his msg box..any advice would be greatly appreciated..thks guys

BP

Hello,

No, you don't do that. You don't post the vendors public key into the clipboard that is. You need to copy paste it into a text file e.g. notepad and save it. Then import that file into the GPA software that comes with the GPG package you downloaded.

After that, you go back to the clipboard and type up your message. Then you click encrypt and select the vendor's public key from the list. Da da! Done. Now send that to the vendor.

Ideally though, try this with pine first. Give me your public key and also try to send me an encrypted message using my public key (2nd pine post in this thread)
Hi pine my public key
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (MingW32)

mQENBFAToqEBCADC6Q0hmcra111QSt6ev6ffG68ME81/3Qq3ZlFKUKyBpCwBSJ+y
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=EUL/
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BenCousins on August 12, 2012, 11:53 am

Bloody hell im to benzo'd up tereforo remember the questions i ask someone so therefore i dont know what the hell they are replying to

That is a mistake -- a big one.  You should make it an iron-clad rule, NEVER to use the computer when tired, drunk or high. That is a primary rule I live by, and it has helped to keep me safe for the better part of two decades, now.  When you're tired, drunk, or high, you cannot think clearly, and should not be engaging in any activity where making a mistake could be costly.

Guru

if that was a requirement here they  would have 1/8 traffic. Not like im doing anything rrisky. acessing this forum or the main site isnt even illegal.

Perhaps... perhaps not. Laws can change in the blink of an eye -- what is legal today can be made illegal overnight.  In one jurisdiction that I am aware of, the police spent a few months gathering information on people who were engaged in perfectly legal activity. The police had a heads-up that the law was going to be changed, that the possession of certain items was going to be made illegal. After the law changed, and came into effect, the police visited many of those whose activities they had monitored. Those who were found in possession of the newly-proscribed items were arrested, even though when purchased/obtained, they were perfectly legal.

also what if i was completely sober and still couldnt remmeber the previous GPG exchange due to volume of GPG conversations? anly help?

If you don't have a copy of the message encrypted to your own key, the only option you have is to get the other party to send you a copy of the message exchange, if they still have it.  Look at it this way... if there was an easy way to break PGP-encrypted materials, it wouldn't provide much protection, would it? Don't you think the authorities would use such a method, if it existed?

Guru
how wlould i know if its enmcrypted to my own key?

Easiest way to do that is to try to decrypt the message. If you get prompted for your passphrase, it's encrypted to your key. If you get an error message like, "You do not have the secret key" the message is not encrypted to one of your keys.

When I commented to you that, as a general rule, one should not compute under the influence, it was not intended as a personal rebuke.  Rather, it is a reflection of long experience, and having made some disastrous errors.  Computers and computer software can at times be rather unforgiving; that is why it is important to be clear-headed, and to be able to devote one's full faculties to the task(s) at hand.

Guru

I just write it on the clipboard then encrypt with whoevers key and copy and paste to them. this message of course will be in my sent items box but say i want to try and reread what i sent to this person so i know what questions exactly they are replying to, I try and re copy and paste my original PGP message to them, back onto my clipboard and it says is "clipboard contained no valid encrypted data"

BC

Ah, now we may be getting somewhere. The most common cause of the  "clipboard contained no valid encrypted data" error is because PGP/GPG  is really fussy about the number of dashes in the -----BEGIN PGP ENCRYPTED MESSAGE----- and -----END PGP ENCRYPTED MESSAGE----- headers.

There have to be exactly FIVE dashes. If there are four, then you will get that error message. If you're missing one, just add an additional dash and try decrypting again.

Guru
yeah its exactly 5 dashes and still saying that. it is obviously working for the person i am sending to and using there public key to encrypt with as they are replying to it.
when i encrypt with somebody's public key, does my public/private key have any have anything to with how it is encrypted or only the persons public key? If not this could explain how once encrypted it is now unreadable to the original author.
thanks guru
BC
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: Bruise on August 12, 2012, 07:52 pm
Just sent you a message Pine, thanks.  Here is my public key.


-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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=35dX
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: BabyPowder35 on August 12, 2012, 10:39 pm
well,spent most of the night and early part of the morning to figure this out.hopefully i got it,also i've send a msg to both pine and guru.Please give a shout out if you guys manage to see it..if theres nothing,then i will try again ;)

BP
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: brahstar on August 12, 2012, 11:24 pm
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

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=cpVS
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

Here is my pgp key. Can I send you Guru a encrypted message or pine? I'm trying to get some feedback if I have pgp working or not.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: turquoisecrayon on August 13, 2012, 01:37 am
I re-encrypted my error producing message. Success! Thanks again.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: syncd on August 13, 2012, 01:44 am
Sent PMs with my PGP to both Guru and pine. I'm having a problem with decrypting as it always errors saying ""Clipboard" contained no valid encrypted data." , even though I had just encrypted it with the program.. My vendor I am trying to contact also tells me it is asking for my phrase for GPA before he can decrypt, I have it set not to sign, I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: Are you Paralyzed by PGP? Fear no more! Join PGP Club :)
Post by: 8U1J1 on August 13, 2012, 02:02 am
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (MingW32)

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=boqQ
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (MingW32)

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