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Title: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: D1Se7en on January 29, 2012, 09:19 pm
I've been doing some research and this chemical is at least as stimulating as methamphetamine, with a longer duration and much less neurotoxicity, it's easy enough to make from diet pills containing PPA, why hasn't anyone decided to make/sell on SR? surely you could price it in the $300/g region as it's so potent.
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: pine on January 30, 2012, 01:04 am
Very interesting, thank-you.

Apparently this is an OTC in the UK (pretty much banned in the USA).
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: PoisonedDestiny on March 14, 2012, 06:40 am
i too have been facinated with this substance for some time.
i remember long ago (i was pretty young) seeing one of those shock and freakout news commercials about the
new rage called "ice".  this was before meth became big.  it was 4-methylaminorex and in the late 80s and
early 90s it was an RC used as a study aid.  seems like it has a clean and productive euphoria
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: jpinkman on May 12, 2012, 04:56 am
Very interesting, thank-you.

Apparently this is an OTC in the UK (pretty much banned in the USA).

What??? You're saying 4-MAR is available OTC in the UK? Since WHEN?

I've been looking for this FOREVER. If someone could whip some up it would not be hard to create a market given its superiority to meth.
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: Marceline on May 12, 2012, 04:59 am
Very interesting, thank-you.

Apparently this is an OTC in the UK (pretty much banned in the USA).
It's not OTC in the UK.
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: pine on May 12, 2012, 06:16 am
Very interesting, thank-you.

Apparently this is an OTC in the UK (pretty much banned in the USA).
It's not OTC in the UK.

Hmmmm, you're right, I must have misread something.
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: le botbahn on May 13, 2012, 03:18 am
This shit IS out there. That is, according to anecdotal reports. Australia (primarily) and I've heard a report from Seattle where a  guy had it within the last month. I've researched the stuff to exaustion, and I'm just hoping someone smart enough with the right connections puts this stuff on the market so we can make them rich. PPA, the precursor, was banned in India in January. You'd think that would have been the perfect time for SOMEONE to divert it for this purpose. Perhaps it's silly, but it pisses me the fuck off that this isn't available and in the USA, the only other option is meth, which i do enjoy and it's a blessing to have such high quality stuff on SR ( if only the vendors could get their shit together like it used to be). I'd prefer something more intellectually stimulating and less side effects, and less stigma. 4-Mar sounds like the perfect drug and I'd pay alot of money to try it.
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: MRSIN on May 13, 2012, 08:06 am
Very interesting, thank-you.

Apparently this is an OTC in the UK (pretty much banned in the USA).
It's not OTC in the UK.

Hmmmm, you're right, I must have misread something.

Ive read not too long ago that ppa (the precursor for 4MAR)  was OTC in the UK.
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: jpinkman on May 13, 2012, 11:27 am
I'd prefer something more intellectually stimulating and less side effects, and less stigma. 4-Mar sounds like the perfect drug and I'd pay alot of money to try it.

No fucking doubt. Seeing as to how I use MA primarily for productivity purposes, 4-MAR has always sounded like the ultimate too good to be true drug. And so far, like the elixir of youth, it has been.
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: MDDude on May 13, 2012, 06:29 pm
Go SR i need 4-mar its the ultimate thing
Title: Re: 4-methylaminorex
Post by: BandW on July 07, 2012, 02:43 am
Please someone bring this product to the ROAD!

I have always wanted to try this since the mid 90s

When I was younger and thinking I was going to grow up to be an organic chemist, I used to collect recipes like other kids collected baseball cards - Turns out I went into business and never got around to learning chemistry but here is a recipe I found in one of my old files.  Don't know if it is any good but hopefully it motivates one of our talented chemists to take this project on :)

Subject: The 4-methylaminorex pseudo FAQ (minor corrections)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 16:03:38 GMT

The 4-Methylaminorex pseudo-FAQ
Due to strangely increased demand for 4-Methylaminorex "recipes" that
I have received by mail; I decided to compile a short document with the cognate preparation of this interesting compound. This may become a full-fledged FAQ in the future, depending on user response and outside input donated where this will undoubtedly be deficient.

Standard disclaimer: This is for informational purposes only. It is being produced in order to illustrate the novel structure and effects of the aryloxazolines. Use this information at your own risk, I cannot be held responsible for what you do with it, etc... and so on.

Q1. What is Ice?
A 1. Ice is a potent norepinephrine modulator, increasing it's effect.
It has a characteristic look and feel, like white opaque ice, hence the name. Ice is currently a Schedule I drug as designated by the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) which means it is felt to have medical use whatsoever. It was originally researched tor appetite suppressant ability, but never pursued, probably because it's too much fun.

Q2. Can Ice be made from amphetamine/methamphetamine?
A2. It is “technically” possible, but requires some backwards motions to get back to a sec. alcohol. At least one individual, in a personal communication to me, indicated that “they knew of someone who could convert crank [methamphetamine] into ice by washing it with something” This is not possible.

Q3. What kind of chemical is it?
A3. In drug parlance, which is notoriously Non-IUPAC compliant, Ice is synonymous with “Euphoria'' (U4Euh), 4-Methylaminorex, or, chemically speaking: dl-cis-2-amino-4-methyl-5-phenyl-2-oxazoline. This is a tongue twister of a name, so I will explain and illustrate it with a cheap floozie of an ascii drawing.

    II \
   II   \____ __ __CH3
 I    II   I   I
 I    II   I   I
 \\   I     0     N
  \V        \   II
          H  H

The numbering starts at the heterocyclic Oxygen and goes counterclockwise.
So the amine is at the 2 position, the methyl is at the 4 position; a phenyl ring is tacked on at the 5 position. Also, the 2-oxazoline part is often merely called oxazoline, as the double bond to the heterocyclic Nitrogen is implied.

It is interesting to note that all of the stereoisomers of 4-MAR are centrally active  (i.e. - it is not stereospecific in action).

Q4. What does Ice do?
A4. The document at describing the effects of Euphoria would be a good place to start. Anecdotally, it is said to help concentration and thinking - a sort of “make-you-smarter" drug, with a minor speed-like component to it. Time of action is around 4-6 hours. Dosage varies but a good start is 20mg for a 150lb individual. It is smoked as the free base or the hydrochloride salt - both have relatively low melting points.

Cognate Preparation of 4-Methylaminorex

Phenylpropanolamine HCI
Cyanogen Bromide
Sodium Acetate
Sodium Carbonate
Benzene (or similar)

Extraction of Phenylpropanolamine from OTC preparations

Extract Phenylpropanolamine HCI (PPA) from OTC diet pills by crushing and dissolving in 10mL methanol per gram of PPA. Decant solution onto the Buchner funnel and repeat with 2 more volumes of methanol. Use methanol instead of water because it has less tendency to form a colloid with any cellulosic binders present which would otherwise severely clog the filter paper.

Distill off most of the methanol then add cold water to dissolve all of the PPA solids. Basify to approximately pH 9 with 10% Sodium Carbonate or Sodium Hydroxide solution. Extract out PPA base using 3 volumes of ether of approximately 1/3 the volume of water. The methanol will follow into the ether as well, but very little of the formed salt will.

Distill off ether/methanol for later recovery of the solvents and weigh the amount of solid PPA base, mp 101C. The amount you process here determines, obviously, the amounts of everything else to use later on.

Forming the Oxazoline Ring

The ideal ratio of all the reagents is as follows:
1.0 Mole  Phenylpropanolamine (MW: 151.2)
1.1 Moles Cyanogen Bromide (MW: 1 05.93)
3.0 Moles Sodium Acetate (MW: 82.04)

The Sodium Acetate may be prepared by carefully adding an equinormal amount of Sodium Hydroxide to glacial Acetic Acid and drying the resultant salt at 120C for 15 minutes.

The preparation of Cyanogen Bromide is covered in another document of mine.

This compound should only be prepared in an area of “adequate” ventilation. A full covering fume hood is ideal (geez - make one, I did) or outside with the wind blowing away from you. Cyanogen
Bromide acts on cytochrome oxidase just like any other cyanide and will kill you quite effectively. Also, it has been known to decompose spontaneously when impure.

Dissolve 15g (.142M) of Cyanogen Bromide in 50mL of Methanol at 0C.

Dissolve 19.5g (.129M) of Phenylpropanolamine and 31.8g (.387M) of Sodium Acetate in 300mL of Methanol at OC. Place this in a round bottom flask equipped with a stirrer magnet and addition funnel.

Add the Cyanogen Bromide solution to the flask though the addition funnel over a period of 15 minutes with stirring.

React for an additional 45 minutes at 0C.

Evaporate solvents at reduced pressure and with gentle water bath heat (50C tops) - do not attempt to recover!

Dissolve the oily residue in water and then add saturated Sodium Carbonate solution until a white solid precipitates.

Filter this cake of white solid on the Buchner, then wash twice with ice cold water and dry in a vacuum dessicator.

Recrystallize the crude dried product from Benzene to yield ~ 63%.

Form the hydrochloride salt by bubbling HCI Gas through the Benzene until white crystals fall out or shaking with 5% HCI and evaporating the water off.

Journal of Forensic Sciences, v34, #4, 1989, “The Stereoisomers of 4-Methylaminorex”, pp 963-979, Klein, Sperling, Cooper & Kram

Journal of Medicine Chemistry, v6, 1963,”2-Amino-5-Aryi-2-0xazolines. Potent New Anorectic Agents”, pp 266-272, Poos, Carson, Rosenau, Roszkowski, Kelley & McGowin

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