*Will provide update soon.* OP UPDATED 2/18/2014

[oracle]

[oracle]

bump for visibility.

[Pillow]

IN FOR THE TITS

[Juan G]

now the oracle returns LOL

[soviet]

subbed

[vince]

Yeah, i'm going to update this post later. Just getting in their that i'm going to make a post and all, just so expect me to write what I wanted to say in just a little bit.

[JuicyMango]

You'll get buried pretty quick at this time, people are posting threads left and right.

Bump though

[depuis90]

[oracle]

Thanks.

[oracle]

[turtler]

You didnt say shit last time. You just make bullshit up and then eventually was like "oh well this is what really happened."

Post it now and quit being a pussy. Nobody wants the hype..this is not a TV show

[hammer]

Bump

[Kallster]

bump

[PureQuality]

bump

[dark_prophet]

bump bump bump it up^

[TheBubbleDreamer]

subbed

[Bonnie and Clyde]

sub

[BlueSkiesRedEyes]

Interesting.

[Neverever12]

grabs popcorn.

[Ziggy]

Sub

[DrawkwarD]

You really like to build up susupense don't you?  =p

[TLT13]

Yeah, i'm going to update this post later. Just getting in their that i'm going to make a post and all, just so expect me to write what I wanted to say in just a little bit.

Haha, thanks for the chuckle.

[brick$quad]

this coming from the guy that came out with the big announcement that sr2 would continue strong and "we are gna fucking win this thing"

i remember reading that thread and although it had good and feasible information. i was thinking to myself, man this guy sounds like hes working with the new operators of the site and trying to get people to believe in the new sr

anyways this guy is all hype, dont matter what your "big" announcement is going to be. it does not take away from the fact that sr2 stole everyones coins lol

[vince]

this coming from the guy that came out with the big announcement that sr2 would continue strong and "we are gna fucking win this thing"

i remember reading that thread and although it had good and feasible information. i was thinking to myself, man this guy sounds like hes working with the new operators of the site and trying to get people to believe in the new sr

anyways this guy is all hype, dont matter what your "big" announcement is going to be. it does not take away from the fact that sr2 stole everyones coins lol

Wait, SR2 lost because they got hacked once?  Drug dealers have never been robbed before?  Damn!

[dr gonzo]

I don't know about this, how do we know you and your posts are not part of this whole plan....are we really made this stupidly blind by our desire to get high? Forgive me if I'm outta line, but please, prove me wrong.

[oracle]

I don't know about this, how do we know you and your posts are not part of this whole plan....are we really made this stupidly blind by our desire to get high? Forgive me if I'm outta line, but please, prove me wrong.

That would have been a long plan going back to October. You'll just have to trust me.

[dr gonzo]

Brother, I'd be willing to go way further back than October to rake in the kind of dough whoever pulled this off will.

[dr gonzo]

Like I said, prove me wrong, until then, you are just another blow hard. Either way, that's the last time I get fucked here at least.

[oracle]

Brother, I'd be willing to go way further back than October to rake in the kind of dough whoever pulled this off will.

Ah I see. Well, sorry to disapoint. But I can shed some light. I would advise the community to refrain from pointing fingers at the mods though.

[dr gonzo]

I appreciate that some of the lower level staff may not be complicit, but the grift still came from inside.

[tankfly]

[K1NG]

I don't know about this, how do we know you and your posts are not part of this whole plan....are we really made this stupidly blind by our desire to get high? Forgive me if I'm outta line, but please, prove me wrong.

I've always followed oracle, and I once or twice pondered this very possibility.

This could be the longest con. The con. 

Oh, also, I still very deeply believe DPR2 is DefCon is ?

[Meerkovo]

Or Defcon is StExo



Meerkovo

[Fluffhead!]

I miss Ross

[brick$quad]

this coming from the guy that came out with the big announcement that sr2 would continue strong and "we are gna fucking win this thing"

i remember reading that thread and although it had good and feasible information. i was thinking to myself, man this guy sounds like hes working with the new operators of the site and trying to get people to believe in the new sr

anyways this guy is all hype, dont matter what your "big" announcement is going to be. it does not take away from the fact that sr2 stole everyones coins lol

Wait, SR2 lost because they got hacked once?  Drug dealers have never been robbed before?  Damn!

if youre a drug dealer and got robbed by the middleman(sr2) then u my friend are in the wrong profession

and those who believe this site got hacked, im sry for yall. some of u people will believe anything these admins/mods tell u.

its good, what u eat dnt make me shit. or in this case what got jacked from u dnt make me hungry

[astonmarteen]

ORACLE you play too many games for me. Nobody has time for that.....

[brick$quad]

i feel bad for the mods here, they have to deal with all the unhappy users

and possibly they get no cut/have no knowledge of the fraud shit going on

[oracle]

i feel bad for the mods here, they have to deal with all the unhappy users

and possibly they get no cut/have no knowledge of the fraud shit going on

By and large the mods are good people.

[StringerBell]

SteXo---- DRP2----- HUX

Same person i think

Where is CIRRUS?

[Fluffhead!]

Are ypu going to drag this out for two days like last time?

What is the point of building suspense?  This isnt a movie

[K1NG]

we have doxx on stexto

Oh Yeah? Fuck Yeah.

I'm so ready for one of these losers to be held accountable for this shit.

[oracle]

Are ypu going to drag this out for two days like last time?

What is the point of building suspense?  This isnt a movie

I'm going to give someone who I know is not clean a very small window to respond to some questions I sent, otherwise I will give my stance on the situation with some compelling evidence.

[keeperlit]

.

[oracle]

we have doxx on stexto

Oh Yeah? Fuck Yeah.

I'm so ready for one of these losers to be held accountable for this shit.

Strange, I didn't see this post by Gotmilk.

[K1NG]

Are ypu going to drag this out for two days like last time?

What is the point of building suspense?  This isnt a movie

I'm going to give someone who I know is not clean a very small window to respond to some questions I sent, otherwise I will give my stance on the situation with some compelling evidence.

Okay, but honestly I Think you'd get more bang for your buck if you'd speed these announcements up when you make them.  It may help someone else solve a piece of this monstrosity of a puzzle.

[baller69]

i'll stick around and see what you have to say

[smokealote]

subbin

[oracle]

standard disclaimer - if this account of my goes "incommunicado" - I can be reached at oracles@safe-mail.net

[flydolphinfly]

subbed

[Meerkovo]

oracle quick question,


accroding to Defcon, all wallets were affected, so as SR as a business has 0 CASH, 0 ASSETS,?

Just wondering if I should kiss my coins goodbye and wish the person who might spend them, to choke on their daily bread.


Better yet, I hope they buy a motorbike


Meerkovo

[oracle]

oracle quick question,


accroding to Defcon, all wallets were affected, so as SR as a business has 0 CASH, 0 ASSETS,?

Just wondering if I should kiss my coins goodbye and wish the person who might spend them, to choke on their daily bread.


Better yet, I hope they buy a motorbike


Meerkovo

Defon would be in a better position to address anything said by defcon. I'm now my own man.. and in the past I've been a bit to helpful to "aid". And after seeing a $4M dollar theft happen from innocent people.. that just doesn't fucking work for me.

[camcudi14]

subb

[mito]

there will be blood!

[Meerkovo]

oracle quick question,


accroding to Defcon, all wallets were affected, so as SR as a business has 0 CASH, 0 ASSETS,?

Just wondering if I should kiss my coins goodbye and wish the person who might spend them, to choke on their daily bread.


Better yet, I hope they buy a motorbike


Meerkovo

Defon would be in a better position to address anything said by defcon. I'm now my own man.. and in the past I've been a bit to helpful to "aid". And after seeing a $4M dollar theft happen from innocent people.. that just doesn't fucking work for me.

Ok but my question wasn't answered...



Meerkovo

[BlueSkiesRedEyes]

oracle quick question,


accroding to Defcon, all wallets were affected, so as SR as a business has 0 CASH, 0 ASSETS,?

Just wondering if I should kiss my coins goodbye and wish the person who might spend them, to choke on their daily bread.


Better yet, I hope they buy a motorbike


Meerkovo

Yes.  Your coin is gone.  Unless and until you can log in, withdraw coin and see it in your personal wallet, it is gone.  Right now we're assuming that
once we log back in our escrow balance will be zero, down from the four figures in there yesterday.

[oracle]

Also - vendors who were affected please contact me here via PGP or incase this account gets taken down, at oracles@safe-mail.net

(No I am not discriminating against buyers who were affected, I am just trying to hash out who was probably hit the hardest first.)

[dr gonzo]

Wait, I think I got it...are you ready folks....wait for it.....wait for it...Oracle is actually.....wait for it......wait for it......the original DPR2! Bam,there you go, your welcome :-)

[lashesxo]

There's only a few people in power to remove an account... wonder who that might be... the mods are good people so that leaves who? 

Oracle, you kill me, kid.

[MonroeRepublic]

sub, hurry the fuck up oracle, I need to take a long drive, and empty a few shells into something. Oh wait, bullet's cost money, something I DONT have.

[Hiniguel]

[UKPharmaceuticals]

Bookmarked

[justonefix]

Lets see what happens, we have nothing better to do anyway..

[StringerBell]

I think you should consider posting the info you have.

Already people starts to get doxxed because of the information given by the admins.

Innocent people can be affected in a bad way.

[YourHumbleServant]

Subbing.

[gold]

sub'd

[oracle]

I think you should consider posting the info you have.

Already people starts to get doxxed because of the information given by the admins.

Innocent people can be affected in a bad way.

String - I'm trying to figure out the best course of action, get a response from someone who knows they need to answer for this, maintain my own safety as well, and put together enough proof so I don't come out sounding like a nut.

As for the doxxing going on.. I urge you all to stop. Whoever is being doxxed right now is certainly not responsible for this theft.

[StringerBell]

I respect that.

[SpringHorse]

Most people I talk to are 100% certain that TOR and Bitcoin itself is under LE control, that they were infiltrated, the developers bought out,etc for the sole purpose of creating honeypots.

Would anyone be surprised if that turns out to be true?

[K1NG]

Most people I talk to are 100% certain that TOR and Bitcoin itself is under LE control, that they were infiltrated, the developers bought out,etc for the sole purpose of creating honeypots.

Would anyone be surprised if that turns out to be true?

Bitcoin? Nah, TOR was created BY the government actually. The Navy I believe.

Anyway, bitcoin is run on mathematics.  No person can "Gain" control of it without altering the system thus creating a new system thus it's not bitcoin anymore.

[hammer]

The doxxing in other threads are stupid. After a quick Google people have found profiles on Ebay, poker sites, porn sites etc.

Do you really think someone smart enough to pull off a heist like this would be so easy to find? I think not.....

[lashesxo]

Most people I talk to are 100% certain that TOR and Bitcoin itself is under LE control, that they were infiltrated, the developers bought out,etc for the sole purpose of creating honeypots.

Would anyone be surprised if that turns out to be true?

Bitcoin? Nah, TOR was created BY the government actually. The Navy I believe.

Anyway, bitcoin is run on mathematics.  No person can "Gain" control of it without altering the system thus creating a new system thus it's not bitcoin anymore.

Exactly.

[r0guebubbles]

Bump!

[oracle]

Question for more tech minded folks then me. How to prove encrypted conversations took place? Screen shot, text of the encrypted text, and then just put up the private key for all? But then, someone would take that private key immediately and be able to change it's password, rendering it useless? Or am I looking at it wrong? Would appreciate some insight.. my minds a bit jumbled (and blood pressure a bit risen to wake up to see THIS fucking bullshit theft)

[teafields]

Most people I talk to are 100% certain that TOR and Bitcoin itself is under LE control, that they were infiltrated, the developers bought out,etc for the sole purpose of creating honeypots.

Would anyone be surprised if that turns out to be true?

Bitcoin? Nah, TOR was created BY the government actually. The Navy I believe.

Anyway, bitcoin is run on mathematics.  No person can "Gain" control of it without altering the system thus creating a new system thus it's not bitcoin anymore.

Exactly.

Same with TOR. You would need to compromise many many nodes and decrypt large amounts of other people's data to compromize one user. I'm not saying it can't be done, especially if you can create fake server certificates. But for the whole network to be compromized - unlikely.

[randomuser]

Question for more tech minded folks then me. How to prove encrypted conversations took place? Screen shot, text of the encrypted text, and then just put up the private key for all? But then, someone would take that private key immediately and be able to change it's password, rendering it useless? Or am I looking at it wrong? Would appreciate some insight.. my minds a bit jumbled (and blood pressure a bit risen to wake up to see THIS fucking bullshit theft)

Unless they can modify the original hosted version of the private key then no.
Screen shots are probably better though for less techy people.
I find it very interesting how you specifically say mods are innocent yet no mention of devs or admin, should be an interesting read.
Also why the change of email address and public key?

[K1NG]

Most people I talk to are 100% certain that TOR and Bitcoin itself is under LE control, that they were infiltrated, the developers bought out,etc for the sole purpose of creating honeypots.

Would anyone be surprised if that turns out to be true?

Bitcoin? Nah, TOR was created BY the government actually. The Navy I believe.

Anyway, bitcoin is run on mathematics.  No person can "Gain" control of it without altering the system thus creating a new system thus it's not bitcoin anymore.

Exactly.

Same with TOR. You would need to compromise many many nodes and decrypt large amounts of other people's data to compromize one user. I'm not saying it can't be done, especially if you can create fake server certificates. But for the whole network to be compromized - unlikely.

Thanks for that buddy.  Never knew they were alike in that capacity.

[oracle]

Good question - I deleted the old key when I thought I would never be returning to this place again. Email account I forgot the pw for. I tried a few times and then gave up. 2 months does make ones mind rusty! But luckily this account was still active.

[randomuser]

Good question - I deleted the old key when I thought I would never be returning to this place again. Email account I forgot the pw for. I tried a few times and then gave up. 2 months does make ones mind rusty! But luckily this account was still active.

Fair enough. Happens to the best of us with burners and >15 char passwords.
I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say, I wish you had responded to what I said before the email and pgp question though

[oracle]

Good question - I deleted the old key when I thought I would never be returning to this place again. Email account I forgot the pw for. I tried a few times and then gave up. 2 months does make ones mind rusty! But luckily this account was still active.

Fair enough. Happens to the best of us with burners and >15 char passwords.
I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say, I wish you had responded to what I said before the email and pgp question though

Sometimes silence speaks volumes.

[Fluffhead!]

Dude spit it out already.  Stop being a drama queen

[r0guebubbles]

Good question - I deleted the old key when I thought I would never be returning to this place again. Email account I forgot the pw for. I tried a few times and then gave up. 2 months does make ones mind rusty! But luckily this account was still active.

Fair enough. Happens to the best of us with burners and >15 char passwords.
I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say, I wish you had responded to what I said before the email and pgp question though

Sometimes silence speaks volumes.

Well now might be the moment to turn up that volume

[mito]

how do we know oracle is oracle and not somebody who isn't oracle?

[randomuser]

Good question - I deleted the old key when I thought I would never be returning to this place again. Email account I forgot the pw for. I tried a few times and then gave up. 2 months does make ones mind rusty! But luckily this account was still active.

Fair enough. Happens to the best of us with burners and >15 char passwords.
I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say, I wish you had responded to what I said before the email and pgp question though

Sometimes silence speaks volumes.

I think by just asking the question I already knew the answer......
Good luck in your search.

[depuis90]

how do we know oracle is oracle and not somebody who isn't oracle?

only one person can have the account name right?

[randomuser]

how do we know oracle is oracle and not somebody who isn't oracle?

Honestly we don't....
As I pointed out his/her email address and pgp key have changed since the return.

[randomuser]

how do we know oracle is oracle and not somebody who isn't oracle?

only one person can have the account name right?

Any admin can access any account on the forum...

[gabby]

So...

- having 4k coins in hot storage
- people claiming responsibility over reddit
- attributing breach to recent "rediscovery" of malleability, which could only be possible if SR was specifically designed to be flawed
- a very well-worded and deliberate post by defcon
- asking to dox obvious red herrings
- deliberately creating situations that lead to hording coins in escrow


What I don't understand is why stage this whole show with simulating DDOS?

Add to that the recent closure of other onion sites - in Iran no less, at this very moment.

To my untrained eye it looks like a coordinated operation that goes beyond just SR. No holds barred. I wouldn't be surprised if in a week Agora would fall. I wouldn't be surprised if this forum had a malicious script embedded either.

I lost 124$, but I'm a small-time buyer, got little to worry about. The crackdown and overall state of the darknet however worries me greatly.

[Lief]

We know it's Oracle because of the same drama queen behavior and keeping us all in suspense as before when we all know damn well he'll say it was St. Exo who stole the BTC in a few hours from now and link to that interview on clearnet where St. Exo boasted that he wouldn't be happy until he had millions. I expect there'll be some theorizing about Defcon and DPR2 and St.Exo all being the same person and it all being the plan to end like this with millions and not in a police cell like DPR1 from day 1. 

[Falken]

Subbed

[Juan G]

*****drumroll*******

[teafields]

Thanks for that buddy.  Never knew they were alike in that capacity.

No problem. My information comes from the TOR website. I am a careful reader, but not a technical expert.

[Dogonwalker26]

[mito]

SR went down at 2pm and Defcon updated us and then provided second update stating he took down the servers so why is the coin from my SR wallet being sent to another address at 3:48pm as the servers are down?

different timezone?

remember it's all UTC.

[mito]

how do we know oracle is oracle and not somebody who isn't oracle?

Honestly we don't....
As I pointed out his/her email address and pgp key have changed since the return.

how do we know you are randomuser?

[Dogonwalker26]

NO!

The thread about SR being taken down which now doesn't exist had in its title "2nd update 14:44" and it was 2pm in UK so....nope.

[r0guebubbles]

NO!

The thread about SR being taken down which now doesn't exist had in its title "2nd update 14:44" and it was 2pm in UK so....nope.

Be sure to put that in the famous, put your questions here thread. I want to see what he answers to that.

[Tihkal103]

oracle, any time estimate for this update? just curious..... anxious

[Meerkovo]

oracle, any time estimate for this update? just curious..... anxious

 
Yea waiting to go sleep....cmon whats eta buddy?


Meerkovo

[wetdog]

WTF

[randomuser]

how do we know oracle is oracle and not somebody who isn't oracle?

Honestly we don't....
As I pointed out his/her email address and pgp key have changed since the return.

how do we know you are randomuser?

I may not be Random!

[StratosGuppy]

oki I got my popcorn ready so anytime you want to update is fine with me 

[Neverever12]

http://      [REDACTED - SPAM ADDRESS]     .     onion/register/Km5MmgGxli

Agora is still up.

[The backbone]

[tetracyclic]

bump

[depuis90]

[r0guebubbles]

[depuis90]

[hammer]

UTC = GMT

[r0guebubbles]

[Fluffhead!]

Oracle stop dragging this out

[3nlight3n3d]

Oracle do you happen to be the same Oracle whos running the darkode honeypot? Or do you to just have the same name and talk the same?

[12acrebrow]

Subbing

[oracle]

Oracle stop dragging this out

Excuse me? I said I'd provide an update and some insight. I didn't give an exact time and I frankly don't have to put my own security and time at risk by revealing shit. I'm working on it. I said soon, and soon means soon. I am not a magician man, fucking christ.

If one more time I get some smart ass comments about me "dragging things out" I will go dark, and communicate privately to only trusted people who I know were affected directly by this theft and tell them what I know. I've proven my reputation here, and I've only tried my best to help/give insight to the community, which I intend to again. But don't put me on a timer.

[oracle]

Oracle do you happen to be the same Oracle whos running the darkode honeypot? Or do you to just have the same name and talk the same?

The what thats what? I've never heard of darkode.. so.. no.. sorry. I've got a fairly extensive history and account here, you click on my name and see I go way back. You must be new. So I'll re-iterate - the answer is no. Sorry.

[KushDepot]

Good ol oracle. I supported you before the launch of the market and am trusting you with legit information for the third time. Give him time to post. It takes time to not expose someone's identity or OPSEC while describing the largest black market on the internet.

[dark_prophet]

Oracle stop dragging this out

Excuse me? I said I'd provide an update and some insight. I didn't give an exact time and I frankly don't have to put my own security and time at risk by revealing shit. I'm working on it. I said soon, and soon means soon. I am not a magician man, fucking christ.

If one more time I get some smart ass comments about me "dragging things out" I will go dark, and communicate privately to only trusted people who I know were affected directly by this theft and tell them what I know. I've proven my reputation here, and I've only tried my best to help/give insight to the community, which I intend to again. But don't put me on a timer.

dont mind them oracle they are just hurtting for answers right now, as with the silk road 1 take down we all just have to wait for answers. I know we are all huddled around around are computers pressing refresh every 2 seconds but answers will come give the guys trying to get them a breather guys

[K1NG]

Oracle stop dragging this out

Excuse me? I said I'd provide an update and some insight. I didn't give an exact time and I frankly don't have to put my own security and time at risk by revealing shit. I'm working on it. I said soon, and soon means soon. I am not a magician man, fucking christ.

If one more time I get some smart ass comments about me "dragging things out" I will go dark, and communicate privately to only trusted people who I know were affected directly by this theft and tell them what I know. I've proven my reputation here, and I've only tried my best to help/give insight to the community, which I intend to again. But don't put me on a timer.

LMAO. You sound like one of those incompetent bitch boys of DPR2(Defcon) with that statement. Count this as that smart ass comment about you dragging things out because you don't have shit to offer you attention seeking sob.

[DoctorClu]

I really wish I knew who the hell you are and how you know so much...

[oracle]

Oracle stop dragging this out

Excuse me? I said I'd provide an update and some insight. I didn't give an exact time and I frankly don't have to put my own security and time at risk by revealing shit. I'm working on it. I said soon, and soon means soon. I am not a magician man, fucking christ.

If one more time I get some smart ass comments about me "dragging things out" I will go dark, and communicate privately to only trusted people who I know were affected directly by this theft and tell them what I know. I've proven my reputation here, and I've only tried my best to help/give insight to the community, which I intend to again. But don't put me on a timer.

dont mind them oracle they are just hurtting for answers right now, as with the silk road 1 take down we all just have to wait for answers. I know we are all huddled around around are computers pressing refresh every 2 seconds but answers will come give the guys trying to get them a breather guys

Thank you Dark Prophet. +1.

Everything has to be balanced. People want to know what the fuck happened and who did what.. and they deserve to know. But witch hunts and doxxing (the wrong people) just causes more panic. I wont let 4,000 BTC be stolen for nothing.. no.. But I need to be 200% positive of things before I start giving definitive statements.

[K1NG]

I really wish I knew who the hell you are and how you know so much...

Are you fucking kidding me?

Is that not confirmation?

[vince]

I really wish I knew who the hell you are and how you know so much...

Oracle is DPR 1, 2, Defcon, Liberats, and Chem Cat.  Each persona is complete ran through a small hidden partition put onto random victims to store the sr content (some ppl don't realize their hd space went from 600gb to 500gb, especially casual users) using a virus, that way, the feds go and arrest the wrong people.

[ganjaboy]

I really wish I knew who the hell you are and how you know so much...

Clu this whole gig is about to be up....few other people like me oracle and jaun has help with good old hackers....you guys dont have acess to the hidden hacker forms that might be crucial info for this community to shed some eyes open to belive what a major fuck up this is...HOT storage ugh ugh.``

[3nlight3n3d]

Oracle do you happen to be the same Oracle whos running the darkode honeypot? Or do you to just have the same name and talk the same?

The what thats what? I've never heard of darkode.. so.. no.. sorry. I've got a fairly extensive history and account here, you click on my name and see I go way back. You must be new. So I'll re-iterate - the answer is no. Sorry.

my apologies then darkode used to be a carding board before feds came

[oracle]

Clu is being funny.. bringing some much needed light heartedness to the situation. Everyone should take a deep breathe before jumping on these guys. They work hard, nearly 24/7.

[oracle]

I really wish I knew who the hell you are and how you know so much...

As I'm assuming K1NG is implying, this post by DoctorClu is alarmingly unnecessary.  What would be the point of DoctorClu saying that? 

Misdirection?  Bullshit?  There's no reason for DoctorClu to post that.  Maybe he's just "thinking out loud" but it looks questionable.

Clu is trying to bring some light hearted humor to this place.. why is everything a mod conspiracy?! It's been a stressful day.. let's stop the finger pointing for a moment please. I'm working it out. I'll give you all the direction to point your finger, I promise. But towards the responsible party.. which isn't Doc Clu.

[K1NG]

I really wish I knew who the hell you are and how you know so much...

As I'm assuming K1NG is implying, this post by DoctorClu is alarmingly unnecessary.  What would be the point of DoctorClu saying that? 

Misdirection?  Bullshit?  There's no reason for DoctorClu to post that.  Maybe he's just "thinking out loud" but it looks questionable.

Clu is trying to bring some light hearted humor to this place.. why is everything a mod conspiracy?! It's been a stressful day.. let's stop the finger pointing for a moment please. I'm working it out. I'll give you all the direction to point your finger, I promise. But towards the responsible party.. which isn't Doc Clu.

I'm afraid everything is a conspiracy when these guys have been feeding people bullshit leading up to a multi million dollar heist.

[r0guebubbles]

So Clu doesn't have any clue 

[gaust]

(edited) joking

[randomuser]

I really wish I knew who the hell you are and how you know so much...

As I'm assuming K1NG is implying, this post by DoctorClu is alarmingly unnecessary.  What would be the point of DoctorClu saying that? 

Misdirection?  Bullshit?  There's no reason for DoctorClu to post that.  Maybe he's just "thinking out loud" but it looks questionable.

Clu is trying to bring some light hearted humor to this place.. why is everything a mod conspiracy?! It's been a stressful day.. let's stop the finger pointing for a moment please. I'm working it out. I'll give you all the direction to point your finger, I promise. But towards the responsible party.. which isn't Doc Clu.

I'm afraid everything is a conspiracy when these guys have been feeding people bullshit leading up to a multi million dollar heist.

It only takes 1 person to fuck up the reputations of many......

[Kallster]

clu, doh ! - cluedo - whodunnit ?

[randomuser]

Is anyone else curious as to why any discussions of this 2011 bitcoin bug that is being blamed for the theft are being deleted ?

[vince]

edited;quote removed
 Don't do it Oracle, he's going to kill you if you go!

[Kallster]

Is anyone else curious as to why any discussions of this 2011 bitcoin bug that is being blamed for the theft are being deleted ?

Loads of threads/posts are being deleted, mods have reinstated a couple but none that you're referring to, to the best of my knowledge so yeah its shady to say the least....

[WhiteAce]

sub

[randomuser]

Is anyone else curious as to why any discussions of this 2011 bitcoin bug that is being blamed for the theft are being deleted ?

Loads of threads/posts are being deleted, mods have reinstated a couple but none that you're referring to, to the best of my knowledge so yeah its shady to say the least....

Well I think 1 was quite relevant, it was about how if the 1st transaction failed the 2nd had to be manually sent so unless SR had custom code which automatically sent a 2nd (which I highly doubt) then it had to be another bug, a server compromise or a rouge admin/dev

[Freedom101]

this coming from the guy that came out with the big announcement that sr2 would continue strong and "we are gna fucking win this thing"

i remember reading that thread and although it had good and feasible information. i was thinking to myself, man this guy sounds like hes working with the new operators of the site and trying to get people to believe in the new sr

anyways this guy is all hype, dont matter what your "big" announcement is going to be. it does not take away from the fact that sr2 stole everyones coins lol

Wait, SR2 lost because they got hacked once?  Drug dealers have never been robbed before?  Damn!

+1 for logic

[gettingz]

i'll sub to see how this turns out

[KayaNow]

We at KayaNow want to thank Oracle.  You seem to have a great heart!

[oracle]

We at KayaNow want to thank Oracle.  You seem to have a great heart!

Either that or I've got a deathwish.. but thanks.

[x_syndicate]

Sub.

[strykn]

Sub

[dark_prophet]

http://a gora basakxme www dot onion/register/Km5MmgGxli

No one wants to lose more money .... DNM are dead as of yesterday ..... Oh yea ..... BUMP

[flwrchlds9]

Welcome back. From our great early days

[kushaholic]

Bump

[lostdude1111]

sub

[Distantimporter]

*Grabs BIG BOWL of popcorn (cuz he knows hes ganna be waiting a while) and kicks batch to watch

[r0guebubbles]

bumped

[BMADDICTED]

Subbump

[lashesxo]

I was hoping to wake up and read something juicy this morning. 

[twatWaffle]

Aw, I had a big stiffie, all ready to explode when what's behind that door is revealed.

Damn, now I gotta go wake the wife up for humpy valentine's day.

[oracle]

I was hoping to wake up and read something juicy this morning. 

Waiting on confirmation from Europe.

[Heisenberg-meds]

How soon would you expect to have something?

[Doink]

Europe here, confirmed.

[oracleshitter]

nobody listen to this fucking retard.  he's just pandering for attention just like he did after all of the fucking admins got arrested.  cirrus said it himself, consider the DPR account compromised.  there have been numerous pgp key changes from vendors, admins, and shit.  it's fucking over guys.

this oracle fucking tard just wants to build-up hype for a bunk "announcement" that he fucking makes up out of thin air, just like he did before.  his first "announcement" was that he was a "plant" to fool LE.  well that's a great fucking thing to announce.  this guy is a bullshitter, he has major mental issues.  don't fucking listen to him.

[oracle]

nobody listen to this fucking retard.  he's just pandering for attention just like he did after all of the fucking admins got arrested.  cirrus said it himself, consider the DPR account compromised.  there have been numerous pgp key changes from vendors, admins, and shit.  it's fucking over guys.

this oracle fucking tard just wants to build-up hype for a bunk "announcement" that he fucking makes up out of thin air, just like he did before.  his first "announcement" was that he was a "plant" to fool LE.  well that's a great fucking thing to announce.  this guy is a bullshitter, he has major mental issues.  don't fucking listen to him.

I understand brand new accounts meant to troll in general. but new account created, titled "oracle shitter", furiously posting to 51 posts just to come in here and write? nah, doesn't work that way and you're not that smart. you must know what I'm putting together, hence the race against time to post here. It doesn't work that easily. I've proven myself right on several occasions. This time will be no different, other then this will probably have graver consequences. I'm just waiting on a friend in Europe to wake up so I get some confirmation before putting it all out here for people to see and read. The last thing in the world I'd ever allow is the wrong person to be put on blast.. and for the kind of money this fucker stole from the community, it's enough of an incentive for you all to get creative with his information.

[TheBubbleDreamer]

I'm just waiting on a friend in Europe to wake up so I get some confirmation before putting it all out here for people to see and read.

He must have went to sleep pretty late last night as it's 14:50 CET now :-)

[r0guebubbles]

I'm gonna be all ears, oh btw bump

[welldam]

Subbed

[StratosGuppy]

oki I got my popcorn ready so anytime you want to update is fine with me 

I ran out of popcorn should I make more? This movie sure seems to be dragging on?

[r0guebubbles]

oki I got my popcorn ready so anytime you want to update is fine with me 

I ran out of popcorn should I make more? This movie sure seems to be dragging on?

It's like being early at the movies. I hate it when my popcorn is gone before the thriller starts! 

[danksinatra41]

any news on this yet?and who is this oracleshitter guy who has just surfaced?

[Qthello]

Most people I talk to are 100% certain that TOR and Bitcoin itself is under LE control, that they were infiltrated, the developers bought out,etc for the sole purpose of creating honeypots.

Would anyone be surprised if that turns out to be true?

Bitcoin? Nah, TOR was created BY the government actually. The Navy I believe.

Anyway, bitcoin is run on mathematics.  No person can "Gain" control of it without altering the system thus creating a new system thus it's not bitcoin anymore.

Yes, the US Navy in the early 2000's

[Hachim Mastour]

This is bullshit Oracle. With all due respect, what was the point in coming on here to make this announcement if you weren't going to follow it up or at least confirm something for us. Sorry to be so up front but some of us are fucked!!!

[StratosGuppy]

oki I got my popcorn ready so anytime you want to update is fine with me 

I ran out of popcorn should I make more? This movie sure seems to be dragging on?

It's like being early at the movies. I hate it when my popcorn is gone before the thriller starts! 

+1 Karma because I like you and your avatar 

This sure is a slow movie. Reminds me of one of those 3+ hour movies where you really need to go and take a piss but you don't want to miss any of the movie. Wait the movie hasn't even started yet so what am I even talking about 

[3dolla]

sub

[dr gonzo]

nobody listen to this fucking retard.  he's just pandering for attention just like he did after all of the fucking admins got arrested.  cirrus said it himself, consider the DPR account compromised.  there have been numerous pgp key changes from vendors, admins, and shit.  it's fucking over guys.

this oracle fucking tard just wants to build-up hype for a bunk "announcement" that he fucking makes up out of thin air, just like he did before.  his first "announcement" was that he was a "plant" to fool LE.  well that's a great fucking thing to announce.  this guy is a bullshitter, he has major mental issues.  don't fucking listen to him.

+1000000000 It is atleast slightly entertaining I guess.

[danksinatra41]

any news?

[Lief]

nobody listen to this fucking retard.  he's just pandering for attention just like he did after all of the fucking admins got arrested.  cirrus said it himself, consider the DPR account compromised.  there have been numerous pgp key changes from vendors, admins, and shit.  it's fucking over guys.

this oracle fucking tard just wants to build-up hype for a bunk "announcement" that he fucking makes up out of thin air, just like he did before.  his first "announcement" was that he was a "plant" to fool LE.  well that's a great fucking thing to announce.  this guy is a bullshitter, he has major mental issues.  don't fucking listen to him.

I understand brand new accounts meant to troll in general. but new account created, titled "oracle shitter", furiously posting to 51 posts just to come in here and write? nah, doesn't work that way and you're not that smart. you must know what I'm putting together, hence the race against time to post here. It doesn't work that easily. I've proven myself right on several occasions. This time will be no different, other then this will probably have graver consequences. I'm just waiting on a friend in Europe to wake up so I get some confirmation before putting it all out here for people to see and read. The last thing in the world I'd ever allow is the wrong person to be put on blast.. and for the kind of money this fucker stole from the community, it's enough of an incentive for you all to get creative with his information.

You *do* realize that Europe's ahead of the US and has been "awake" for hours?

[dr gonzo]

Guys, the best thing to do here to stop encouraging this attention starved maniac, is to just ignore this thread all together, this will be my last post, or view. Silk Road is OFFICIALLY dead, marinate on that for a minute, accept it, and then move on. It's not the end, there are plenty of other viable options out there, good luck to you all, I'll see you on the other side.

[Hachim Mastour]

^^Which indicates Oracle is in either Asia or Australia, or else that he's just a fucking bullshitter. Fucking nerd

[Lief]

^^Which indicates Oracle is in either Asia or Australia, or else that he's just a fucking bullshitter. Fucking nerd

He's pretending to be talking to St. Exo who posted regularly that he was in London. Lol.

[Kallster]

I'm europe n its nearly bloody bed time again (only cos iv got no sniff left though !)

[dmtnexus]

[jesusofrave]

subbed

[tehjollyroger]

FLEECED

[boysen]

He's pretending to be talking to St. Exo who posted regularly that he was in London. Lol.

This charade is getting ridiculous. And still everyone just moves on to the next escrow market, ready to lose their money once again in another couple of months.

[hammer]

Aaaaaand twenty-four hours later.......still waiting. Seriously Oracle, your pearls of wisdom better be shit-your-pants-amazing!

[Lief]

Aaaaaand twenty-four hours later.......still waiting. Seriously Oracle, your pearls of wisdom better be shit-your-pants-amazing!

'Not his fault, bro! he's waiting for Europe to wake up!

[Novalue]

Aaaaaand twenty-four hours later.......still waiting. Seriously Oracle, your pearls of wisdom better be shit-your-pants-amazing!

'Not his fault, bro! he's waiting for Europe to wake up!

The irony, and Europe have been up and waiting for him... Lets see what the admins have on the table this round. subbed

[Mahowny]

WORTHLESS THREAD

[giancarlo]

Subbing for the lulz of it all

[Nightcrawler]

Subbing for the lulz of it all

I wish the fuck they'd hurry it up... my popcorn is getting cold!

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7 3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain. --Friedrich Schiller

[lashesxo]

Europe here, confirmed.

LMAO 

[lashesxo]

I was hoping to wake up and read something juicy this morning. 

Waiting on confirmation from Europe.

and I am waiting.. impatiently. Lol 

[SmokesHisBroccoli]

To oracle.  The person who announced and forewarned of the greediness of DPR2.  Spot on it seems.  I applaud you.  I am all ears (or eyes rather) regarding what you have to say.  There are doubters here but I am certainly not one of them.  I am interseted in what you have to say.  Your style might not be popular, but you know.  Yes.   You know.   Some people just can't handle the truth. 

[oracle]

Aaaaaand twenty-four hours later.......still waiting. Seriously Oracle, your pearls of wisdom better be shit-your-pants-amazing!

Not 24 hours. 24 Hours would be in a few hours. Before that happens I will tell you guys who did it, where they are, an Internet handle and a first name. The rest, its up to you.

If this account gets banned or vanishes or post deleted (and why should it.. since everyone, including those with the ability to delete it want to know whos behind this heist/theft)

I'd like you all (buyers, vendors, journalists) to note down my email address: oracles@Safe-mail.net
and to quote this specific thread. Also please bump this thread for max visibility (http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=11089.0)
and also take a screen shot of it.

As well as give this a thoughtful read: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_Malleability

I'm currently talking to a friendly in their city who's done business with him, and is veriyfing something in their records, even though he might have used a drop shipper in the past.

One more person posts they're getting impatient, or to hurry up, or whatever the fuck, I will go dark, and ONLY provide these details on a case by case basis privately to individuals depending how much I feel bad for their loss and in their ability to recover there funds.. and quite simply cut the general public off.

[flydolphinfly]

Take as long as you want, but don't hold back information for everyone because of trolls. People are definitely going to say they're impatient, and whatever you think about that, look at the forum you're posting on... this place is shit, the community is no longer what it was, and there a lot of teenagers on here.

Many decent people lurking in the background though. They're just much quieter.

[lashesxo]

Aaaaaand twenty-four hours later.......still waiting. Seriously Oracle, your pearls of wisdom better be shit-your-pants-amazing!

Not 24 hours. 24 Hours would be in a few hours. Before that happens I will tell you guys who did it, where they are, an Internet handle and a first name. The rest, its up to you.

If this account gets banned or vanishes or post deleted (and why should it.. since everyone, including those with the ability to delete it want to know whos behind this heist/theft)

I'd like you all (buyers, vendors, journalists) to note down my email address: oracles@Safe-mail.net
and to quote this specific thread. Also please bump this thread for max visibility (http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=11089.0)
and also take a screen shot of it.

I'm currently talking to a friendly in theie city who's done business with him, and is veriyfing something in their records, even though he might have used a drop shipper in the past.

One more person posts they're getting impatient, or to hurry up, or whatever the fuck, I will go dark, and ONLY provide these details on a case by case basis privately to individuals depending how much I feel bad for their loss and in their ability to recover there funds.. and quite simply cut the general public off.

Haha, surely you did not take my "impatiently waiting" comment to heart.... I have all the time in the world.   

[Fluffhead!]

Take the time you need, Im just hitting f5 so much my fingers are starting to hurt.

[lashesxo]

Take the time you need, Im just hitting f5 so much my fingers are starting to hurt.

 

[Miles Davis]

subbed

[TSCrew]

Is this how it went down:

The interacton/use case goes like this:

1) Vendor A withdraws some money from SR2 escrow
2) the SR2 escrow sends a payment to the bitcoin P2P network
3) SR2 escrow records the payment's txid in it's database
4) waits for confirm (a miner to include it in the block)
5) before it's confirmed, Vendor A changes the txid (using malleability)
6) Vendor A broadcasts this transaction to the bitcoin network
7) Since, the inputs are the same, bitcoin network code sees this as a double spend
8 ) bitcoin marks the orignal transaction as dead (no miners will include it in a block)
9) SR2 escrow receives notification that the oridinal txid is dead
Note: this where all the websites are changing their code base, like SR2 should have when the bug exploit was discovered>
10)  SR2 escrow credits the vendors account for the "dead" funds, believing they are still in the escrow wallet (escrow ledger is now out of synch)
11)  the malleability transaction gets confirmed by miners
12) Vendor A now owns those bitcoins
13) Vendor A now goes into the SR2 escrow service and requests payment again
14) Vendor A is now at step 1 again and continues until the escrow wallet is no longer able to fulfill withdraw requests
14a) Process complete: SR2 sends out a sad message about their wallet being empty


so yes you can lose BTC with transaction malleability.

How do you defeat this? 

There are several ways:

    you send a request to the network for transactions on your wallet address and look to see if there are any between you and Vendor A on the network (check that the inputs aren't still in use)
    Flag the account for human intervention/review when fraud conditions are met
    Re-use the same inputs, so if there is another transaction (mutant) the network will not allow the double pay

or

    use multi-sig transactions with the SR2 service acting as the "Oracle" (What SR2 is talking about in the sad message)

[r0guebubbles]

Take the time you need, Im just hitting f5 so much my fingers are starting to hurt.

aw you poor thing, i'll give u some karma for that

[r0guebubbles]

Is this how it went down:

The interacton/use case goes like this:

1) Vendor A withdraws some money from SR2 escrow
2) the SR2 escrow sends a payment to the bitcoin P2P network
3) SR2 escrow records the payment's txid in it's database
4) waits for confirm (a miner to include it in the block)
5) before it's confirmed, Vendor A changes the txid (using malleability)
6) Vendor A broadcasts this transaction to the bitcoin network
7) Since, the inputs are the same, bitcoin network code sees this as a double spend
8 ) bitcoin marks the orignal transaction as dead (no miners will include it in a block)
9) SR2 escrow receives notification that the oridinal txid is dead
Note: this where all the websites are changing their code base, like SR2 should have when the bug exploit was discovered>
10)  SR2 escrow credits the vendors account for the "dead" funds, believing they are still in the escrow wallet (escrow ledger is now out of synch)
11)  the malleability transaction gets confirmed by miners
12) Vendor A now owns those bitcoins
13) Vendor A now goes into the SR2 escrow service and requests payment again
14) Vendor A is now at step 1 again and continues until the escrow wallet is no longer able to fulfill withdraw requests
14a) Process complete: SR2 sends out a sad message about their wallet being empty


so yes you can lose BTC with transaction malleability.

You seem to know quite a lot about this, how long would such a process take?

[shakerisko]

[Breaking Dab]

[vince]

[r0guebubbles]

Confirmation from europe was it? Its nearly 11 PM here...

[Strike V]

Hello again Oracle my friend....stirring up the shit storm again I see.

[TheBadger]

Take your time oracle, but please ensure that any and all information you post can be backed up with some form of solid empirical evidence. You've played psyops on us before, and while your intentions were absolutely pure and in the best interest of the community, there is already enough confusion here. Any more, and this community may just completely collapse - if it hasn't already. SR's credibility has gone down the shitter, and if someone doesn't shed some light on the situation soon, this catastrophe may quite literally be the straw that breaks the (SR) camel's back.

+1 for your dedication, wish you the best.

[hydro99]

bump

[Cheese on Toast]

yawn??

[lashesxo]

I'm not rushing him or anyone by any means. Please, take your time. I am just looking forward to reading what he has to say. As I said before, I do imagine it being rather... juicy. God, I love that word. 

[Bisyuz]

I'm just watching here,things are getting too shady.
If you oracle could spread some light on this..  that would be nice of you.

Let's hope for the best..

p.s. The money I got back from OTBS scamming session was because i texted him asking to cancel that order,not from the staff(?).

[utahfuntimes]

Defcon deleted his original post about the hack.

[lashesxo]

Defcon deleted his original post about the hack.

Are you sure it was Defcon?


Was there anything of value in it? Not really. A bunch of bitching (understandably) and speculating. Everything in it has already been posted elsewhere, along with the hundreds of other threads with theories and speculations. They've deleted it for reasons we may never know, but I highly doubt it's anything to be suspicious of.

[oracle]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Mods - do not delete this. You are good people, don't fight this fight for him. In your heart you know what went down. Do not delete this.

[DrawkwarD]

Defcon deleted his original post about the hack.

Are you sure it was Defcon?


Was there anything of value in it? Not really. A bunch of bitching (understandably) and speculating. Everything in it has already been posted elsewhere, along with the hundreds of other threads with theories and speculations. They've deleted it for reasons we may never know, but I highly doubt it's anything to be suspicious of.

It wasn't Defcon probably one of the mods-

I've just checked the logs, someone has deleted it by mistake, it must happened when they were trying to delete the huge influx of Agroa links.

[Cheese on Toast]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Fuck, and st exo IS DPR 2 right?

[ggf5665]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Mods - do not delete this. You are good people, don't fight this fight for him. In your heart you know what went down. Do not delete this.

The plot thickens..

[oracle]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Fuck, and st exo IS DPR 2 right?

Correct.

[TheBadger]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Mods - do not delete this. You are good people, don't fight this fight for him. In your heart you know what went down. Do not delete this.

Shit just got real.

[DoctorClu]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Mods - do not delete this. You are good people, don't fight this fight for him. In your heart you know what went down. Do not delete this.

Shit just got real.

...What?

[TheBadger]

Oracle could you possibly give us some reasoning behind your verdict? I think that would give this thread a lot more credibility.

[PiazzaAlimonda2]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Fuck, and st exo IS DPR 2 right?

Correct.

Holy shit!

And... is DPR2 Defcon!?

[oracle]

I wouldn't be surprised if the forum goes down now.. "transacation malleability bug" and all.

[TheBadger]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Mods - do not delete this. You are good people, don't fight this fight for him. In your heart you know what went down. Do not delete this.

Shit just got real.

...What?

What do you mean what? I thought my post was pretty self explanatory haha.

[oracle]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Mods - do not delete this. You are good people, don't fight this fight for him. In your heart you know what went down. Do not delete this.

Shit just got real.

...What?

That's right Clu.

FYI - There is no way DoctorClu would know that information, so do not even think about raising your pitchforks. Trust me.

[DrawkwarD]

That just doesn't make any sense at all.  Why would DPR2 return the cold storage only to steal it all again a month later?

[Mahowny]

well then the site is toast and admins big announcement within 24hrs is bullshit

[oracle]

That just doesn't make any sense at all.  Why would DPR2 return the cold storage only to steal it all again a month later?

Getting warmer, getting warmer. Think a little deeper.. and the answer is staring you in the face.
How much was in the cold storage in December?
How much got took yesterday?

[TheBadger]

Oracle brother man you need to elaborate a little more than that. How did you reach this conclusion? There are too many conspiracy theories and FUD out there right now to post something like that without explanation.

[DrawkwarD]

That just doesn't make any sense at all.  Why would DPR2 return the cold storage only to steal it all again a month later?

Getting warmer, getting warmer. Think a little deeper.. and the answer is staring you in the face.
How much was in the cold storage in December?
How much got took yesterday?

Ok but do you have a single piece of evidence to back up this claim or is this purely speculation?

[Radioactive]

That just doesn't make any sense at all.  Why would DPR2 return the cold storage only to steal it all again a month later?

To build and gain more trust.

[Venemous]

Oracle, please tell us how you know it was StExo or at least some sort of evidence.

[B4B]

Who is Defcon then?

[DrawkwarD]

Oracle, please tell us how you know it was StExo or at least some sort of evidence.

[Venemous]

Did Defcon cover for StExo or is in he the dark as well?

[dark_prophet]

Ok you had my interest ... now you have my attention

[parisproject]

defcon/hux/dpr2=same persona

[lostdude1111]

there had been rumours that dpr2 was sexto after he/she endorsed it after sr1 went down and then suddenlt disappeared. i'm not seeing any compelling evidence here at the moment.

[ggf5665]

defcon/hux/dpr2=same persona

but

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Fuck, and st exo IS DPR 2 right?

Correct.

hmmm what

[oracle]

Oracle, please tell us how you know it was StExo or at least some sort of evidence.

I might tell people privately, but not here.

So we have 1 theory : mysterious vendors whom nobody has heard from in weeks/months exploited "transaction malleability" bug in bitcoin.. which.. ohyeah.. can't be "exploited" to do anything relating stealing anything (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_Malleability)

And now we have theory2.

Well Londonites, you've got a very wealthy thief living amongst you..

[Ketatmine]

Oracle, you said this last time before coming out and saying it was nonsense and a diversion etc. Why bring it up again? Or rather why later claim it was untrue?

[MollyRingwald]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Mods - do not delete this. You are good people, don't fight this fight for him. In your heart you know what went down. Do not delete this.

Very interesting. Although, this revelation contradicts a statement you previously made at the end of last year regarding the events that occured in December.

StExo declined because he said he didn’t need the money as he had made a fuckton of dough over the past few decades and didn’t really have the time because he was semi retired and wasn’t interested in meeting the same fate DPR1 did.

What made you reach the conclusion that the information you provided us last year was incorrect?

[oracle]

Oracle, you said this last time before coming out and saying it was nonsense and a diversion etc. Why bring it up again? Or rather why later claim it was untrue?

Because I don't cover for thieves.

[Thirtyrox]

there had been rumours that dpr2 was sexto after he/she endorsed it after sr1 went down and then suddenlt disappeared. i'm not seeing any compelling evidence here at the moment.

Not to mention, he signed a message with his StExo key while logged in as DPR!!

[turtler]

jesus christ like i said on the first page, now 16 pages of bullshit later..then we get to a simple, yet vague answer. i bet you get off on all this drama.

[Breaking Dab]

Come on Oracle, conclusive evidence please, or anything more!?

[Lief]

Oracle, you said this last time before coming out and saying it was nonsense and a diversion etc. Why bring it up again? Or rather why later claim it was untrue?

That's what I was wondering. Oracle pointed the finger at St.Exo at the very start of SR2 and said he was behind SR2 and not to do the hero worship thing. Then he came back and said he'd talked to Exo and realised he wasn't behind it after all and agreed he didn't have what it takes to run SR. Then basically said same thing again at xmas before claiming all was ok and he was having fun with psy-ops.

Oh and that he's (Oracle) like the wolf from Pulp fiction.

[Capiche]

It's reached the point where there are layers upon layers of information and disinformation, nobody knows who to believe any more.

All this couldn't be scripted, and if it was nobody would say it was believable.

For oracle to provide proof may well put him in danger, so that can't be expected, not publicly anyway.

So the public are left with claim layered over claim and no evidence either way.

Basically, all trust in SR as an entity is demolished.

[oracle]

there had been rumours that dpr2 was sexto after he/she endorsed it after sr1 went down and then suddenlt disappeared. i'm not seeing any compelling evidence here at the moment.

Not to mention, he signed a message with his StExo key while logged in as DPR!!

[Lief]

there had been rumours that dpr2 was sexto after he/she endorsed it after sr1 went down and then suddenlt disappeared. i'm not seeing any compelling evidence here at the moment.

Not to mention, he signed a message with his StExo key while logged in as DPR!!

oh yeah! LOL forgot about that!

[lostdude1111]

there had been rumours that dpr2 was sexto after he/she endorsed it after sr1 went down and then suddenlt disappeared. i'm not seeing any compelling evidence here at the moment.

Not to mention, he signed a message with his StExo key while logged in as DPR!!

oh yeah! LOL forgot about that!

yeah forgot to write that in. thanks for adding it. so it was well known that dpr2 was sexto. what are you going to do with the information you have acquired oracle if you won't post it publicly.

[lashesxo]

StExo. That's the person responsible, not some mythical French vendor or anyone else. He's in London. He's a slimey, greedy, immature piece of shit of the highest order.

Quote this post, every single person who sees it, screen shot it, and if this post gets deleted or account gets banned, oracles@safe-mail.net for his details.
I don't care if its vendors, buyers, or even law enforcement.

You want to steal $2M of peoples money and put their liveliehoods and lives in danger? I will bring you to your knees.

Fuck, and st exo IS DPR 2 right?

Correct.

That's all bad. 

[oracle]

It's currently my belief that Defcon is not aware or involved in this.

[Breaking Dab]

If this is true it's fucking crazy. Are you saying DPR2 was planning to scam us the whole time?

[dark_prophet]

It's currently my belief that Defcon is not aware or involved in this.

Well he is aware now

[oracle]

If this is true it's fucking crazy. Are you saying DPR2 was planning to scam us the whole time?

Probably not, probably thought it would be easy money like Ross. But then reality hit. Then people get busted. Heat increases. Established greed and impatience takes over. And Mt Gox and Bitstamp closing down temporarily due to transacation malleability (which can do nothing other then mutate txIDs, not steal anything) seems like a once in a lifetime grab.

[RICHARD_KUKLINSKI]

Fucking hell!

The SR series out on DVD and BLU-RAY.

The best SOAP series ever!

[Novalue]

Cant you guys see what he is trying to do here? He is trying to blame all this shit on apperantly "SteXo" and Defcon is supposedly innocent.

WE DONT CARE WHO HAVE DONE WHAT! GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK, AND GET THE MARKET WORKING AGAIN! If that is too difficult of a job, then why the fuck did you take the job in the first place??!! Whatever happend, SR is the fawlt, and they are responsible for the loss!

Give it back, and you will earn more then that in 2-3 months, just fix the freakin market

[Blagah]

Cant you guys see what he is trying to do here? He is trying to blame all this shit on apperantly "SteXo" and Defcon is supposedly innocent.

WE DONT CARE WHO HAVE DONE WHAT! GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK, AND GET THE MARKET WORKING AGAIN! If that is too difficult of a job, then why the fuck did you take the job in the first place??!! Whatever happend, SR is the fawlt, and they are responsible for the loss!

Give it back, and you will earn more then that in 2-3 months, just fix the freakin market

+1 Bingo

[oracle]

Thieves tend not to return millions of dollars.. because.. they're.. t..h..i..e..v..e..s..

[lashesxo]

Fucking hell!

The SR series out on DVD and BLU-RAY.

The best SOAP series ever!

Hahahaha 

[Ketatmine]

Thieves tend not to return millions of dollars.. because.. they're.. t..h..i..e..v..e..s..

But he did when the money went missing last time?

[Breaking Dab]

If this is true it's fucking crazy. Are you saying DPR2 was planning to scam us the whole time?

Probably not, probably thought it would be easy money like Ross. But then reality hit. Then people get busted. Heat increases. Established greed and impatience takes over. And Mt Gox and Bitstamp closing down temporarily due to transacation malleability (which can do nothing other then mutate txIDs, not steal anything) seems like a once in a lifetime grab.

So DPR used his account to empty SR? I thought DPR's account was disabled or something after the December incidents.

[oracle]

Thieves tend not to return millions of dollars.. because.. they're.. t..h..i..e..v..e..s..

But he did when the money went missing last time?

And the money was a fraction of what it would have been now.

[Breaking Dab]

Fucking hell!

The SR series out on DVD and BLU-RAY.

The best SOAP series ever!

lmao

[gettingz]

this will make for an incredibly interesting movie or book one day

[Novalue]

Thieves tend not to return millions of dollars.. because.. they're.. t..h..i..e..v..e..s..

Stop this please, you eather come out clean and tell the whole truth or you dont! The longer you wait the more pissed people will get... This is sounding more and more as a plan from the start, and im pretty sure this is a set-up to get rid of some evidence that the cops have on you guys, BUT DONT FUCKING PLAY WITH PEOPLES MONEY!

[oracle]

If this is true it's fucking crazy. Are you saying DPR2 was planning to scam us the whole time?

Probably not, probably thought it would be easy money like Ross. But then reality hit. Then people get busted. Heat increases. Established greed and impatience takes over. And Mt Gox and Bitstamp closing down temporarily due to transacation malleability (which can do nothing other then mutate txIDs, not steal anything) seems like a once in a lifetime grab.

So DPR used his account to empty SR? I thought DPR's account was disabled or something after the December incidents.

I can't speak to that. He is a wiley, slimey fuck that's for sure.

[gaust]

If this is true it's fucking crazy. Are you saying DPR2 was planning to scam us the whole time?

Probably not, probably thought it would be easy money like Ross. But then reality hit. Then people get busted. Heat increases. Established greed and impatience takes over. And Mt Gox and Bitstamp closing down temporarily due to transacation malleability (which can do nothing other then mutate txIDs, not steal anything) seems like a once in a lifetime grab.

Very good point.  Even without knowing the evidence, everything you wrote makes a lot of sense.  Thanks for sharing.

[Capiche]

It's quite feasible - create a bad scenario, build trust by dealing with it magnanimously, allow things to continue nicely until a critical mass of funds are available, then WHAM - take the lot.

Amen.

[oracle]

Thieves tend not to return millions of dollars.. because.. they're.. t..h..i..e..v..e..s..

Stop this please, you eather come out clean and tell the whole truth or you dont! The longer you wait the more pissed people will get... This is sounding more and more as a plan from the start, and im pretty sure this is a set-up to get rid of some evidence that the cops have on you guys, BUT DONT FUCKING PLAY WITH PEOPLES MONEY!

What? Seriously, what?

[oracle]

It's quite feasible - create a bad scenario, build trust by dealing with it magnanimously, allow things to continue nicely until a critical mass of funds are available, then WHAM - take the lot.

Amen.

And the masses are confused about a 'bug' thats not a bug in the sense that it can not be exploited to steal or move funds what so ever. That's a once in a lifetime opportunity of a perfect storm for a thief.

[parisproject]

Thieves tend not to return millions of dollars.. because.. they're.. t..h..i..e..v..e..s..

But he did when the money went missing last time?

money did not went missing last time nor dpr2 returns coinage
I don t believe one bit of that story.
First  thing was cirrus statement which said that  if DPR2 doesn t get in touch with him within 24 hours then it means he left the ship.
Cirrus not having heard from DPR2,made this announcement to the community that DPR2 left the ship (which is addressed to hundreds of thousands of users),at this point the only proof he has is DPR not getting in touch lol who would believe that?how about DPR sending an encrypted message to him to confirm?.Also if the team was so concerned about security ,the last thing they would have done is announcing to everyone that DPR left.(if this happened to be true).
Now the statement about defcon not having the key to unlock cold storage is sketchy as fuck,DPR2 should send him an encrypted email with the key,lol so why did he wait 1 week to send that email?
The similarities about DPR2 and hux writting style is so blatant,honestly you would have to be blind not to see this,if defcon is also the same person he might be trying to change up a bit but that "hux"isn t even tying.
This  pending escrow thing was all set up to strenghten the idea that DPR left the ship,big public annoucement,etc.. it occured right after mods got arrested and DPR2 had to do something to protect himself.Maybe ross had his Doxx as well

[oracle]

Transaction Malleability is NOT a possible scenario that would allow bitcoins to be stolen. That is not technically, logically, or scientifially possible. It is not.
Transaction Malleability is not an "exploit". Transaction Malleability is not the reason thousands of bitcoins were stolen.

[Meerkovo]

Transaction Malleability is NOT a possible scenario that would allow bitcoins to be stolen. That is not technically, logically, or scientifially possible. It is not.
Transaction Malleability is not an "exploit". Transaction Malleability is not the reason thousands of bitcoins were stolen.

Are you still working on the reason....fucking curios to know already...


Meerkovo

[RICHARD_KUKLINSKI]

Transaction Malleability is NOT a possible scenario that would allow bitcoins to be stolen. That is not technically, logically, or scientifially possible. It is not.
Transaction Malleability is not an "exploit". Transaction Malleability is not the reason thousands of bitcoins were stolen.

Explain transaction Malleability in kiddy language maybe?

[dark_prophet]

Transaction Malleability is NOT a possible scenario that would allow bitcoins to be stolen. That is not technically, logically, or scientifially possible. It is not.
Transaction Malleability is not an "exploit". Transaction Malleability is not the reason thousands of bitcoins were stolen.

How did this fool Defcon then? seems he should have been the first to know this

[Blagah]

Transaction Malleability is NOT a possible scenario that would allow bitcoins to be stolen. That is not technically, logically, or scientifially possible. It is not.
Transaction Malleability is not an "exploit". Transaction Malleability is not the reason thousands of bitcoins were stolen.

How did this fool Defcon then? seems he should have been the first to know this

+1 Bingo

[oracle]

Transaction Malleability is NOT a possible scenario that would allow bitcoins to be stolen. That is not technically, logically, or scientifially possible. It is not.
Transaction Malleability is not an "exploit". Transaction Malleability is not the reason thousands of bitcoins were stolen.

Explain transaction Malleability in kiddy language maybe?

Mutated transaction IDs. "It’s like a retail customer showing up at a customer service desk with a photoshopped receipt and trying to get a refund. Mt. Gox was fooled because they didn’t check the receipts against the blockchain.
as if retail shoppers showing up with shoeboxes of falsified receipts hoping to cash in on this problem. These other exchanges are now dealing with a flood of these which is delaying legitimate withdrawals and some suspended withdrawals in order to check their implementations" - quoted from Andreas the Chief Security Officer at Blockchain.Info

That's the most dumbed down explanation out there. Basically, it has absolutely nothing to do with "hacking" or "stealing" bitcoins in any sense.

[DrawkwarD]

Transaction Malleability is NOT a possible scenario that would allow bitcoins to be stolen. That is not technically, logically, or scientifially possible. It is not.
Transaction Malleability is not an "exploit". Transaction Malleability is not the reason thousands of bitcoins were stolen.

How can you be so sure?

[The backbone]

Thieves tend not to return millions of dollars.. because.. they're.. t..h..i..e..v..e..s..

But he did when the money went missing last time?

money did not went missing last time nor dpr2 returns coinage
I don t believe one bit of that story.
First  thing was cirrus statement which said that  if DPR2 doesn t get in touch with him within 24 hours then it means he left the ship.
Cirrus not having heard from DPR2,made this announcement to the community that DPR2 left the ship (which is addressed to hundreds of thousands of users),at this point the only proof he has is DPR not getting in touch lol who would believe that?how about DPR sending an encrypted message to him to confirm?.Also if the team was so concerned about security ,the last thing they would have done is announcing to everyone that DPR left.(if this happened to be true).
Now the statement about defcon not having the key to unlock cold storage is sketchy as fuck,DPR2 should send him an encrypted email with the key,lol so why did he wait 1 week to send that email?
The similarities about DPR2 and hux writting style is so blatant,honestly you would have to be blind not to see this,if defcon is also the same person he might be trying to change up a bit but that "hux"isn t even tying.
This  pending escrow thing was all set up to strenghten the idea that DPR left the ship,big public annoucement,etc.. it occured right after mods got arrested and DPR2 had to do something to protect himself.Maybe ross had his Doxx as well

Here is a bit from the round table.  Hux did in fact "accidentally" post from DPR2's  account on the 'Vendors Statistics' thread.

It's out of my authority to comment on the activities of DPR2/Defcon/others unfortunately, but I am sure he'll get around to it as soon as possible.

um... wut? you *are* DPR2...... long time, no see....

xoxo
-mb

Missbliss caught it and called it.

hi hi

hmm... i guess i caught something that someone didnt want to be there.... go ahead and delete my post above, mods, if you feel it necessary....

xoxo
-mb

Of course there was a perfect explanation for that (!)

Apologies, we were changing some forum permissions and forgot to change accounts again. All dev/admin staff have access to the DPR account to talk on the forum behind the scenes without everyone needing an individual account (prevents people identifying the amount of devs and others if the forum has a vulnerability).

[oracle]

Transaction Malleability is NOT a possible scenario that would allow bitcoins to be stolen. That is not technically, logically, or scientifially possible. It is not.
Transaction Malleability is not an "exploit". Transaction Malleability is not the reason thousands of bitcoins were stolen.

How did this fool Defcon then? seems he should have been the first to know this

Defcon.. you're live on the air. Could you shed light?

[gaust]

Maybe because another unnamed Admin told him that?  And it seemed convcing?  Whoever told Defcon about the alleged hacker responsible is probably the mastermind.  And how does Defcon respond if he was fooled?  Sure he's trying to figure out a compromise aside from the nuclear option.

[oracle]

Thieves tend not to return millions of dollars.. because.. they're.. t..h..i..e..v..e..s..

But he did when the money went missing last time?

money did not went missing last time nor dpr2 returns coinage
I don t believe one bit of that story.
First  thing was cirrus statement which said that  if DPR2 doesn t get in touch with him within 24 hours then it means he left the ship.
Cirrus not having heard from DPR2,made this announcement to the community that DPR2 left the ship (which is addressed to hundreds of thousands of users),at this point the only proof he has is DPR not getting in touch lol who would believe that?how about DPR sending an encrypted message to him to confirm?.Also if the team was so concerned about security ,the last thing they would have done is announcing to everyone that DPR left.(if this happened to be true).
Now the statement about defcon not having the key to unlock cold storage is sketchy as fuck,DPR2 should send him an encrypted email with the key,lol so why did he wait 1 week to send that email?
The similarities about DPR2 and hux writting style is so blatant,honestly you would have to be blind not to see this,if defcon is also the same person he might be trying to change up a bit but that "hux"isn t even tying.
This  pending escrow thing was all set up to strenghten the idea that DPR left the ship,big public annoucement,etc.. it occured right after mods got arrested and DPR2 had to do something to protect himself.Maybe ross had his Doxx as well

Here is a bit from the round table.  Hux did in fact "accidentally" post from DPR2's  account on the 'Vendors Statistics' thread.

It's out of my authority to comment on the activities of DPR2/Defcon/others unfortunately, but I am sure he'll get around to it as soon as possible.

um... wut? you *are* DPR2...... long time, no see....

xoxo
-mb

Missbliss caught it and called it.

hi hi

hmm... i guess i caught something that someone didnt want to be there.... go ahead and delete my post above, mods, if you feel it necessary....

xoxo
-mb

Of course there was a perfect explanation for that (!)

Apologies, we were changing some forum permissions and forgot to change accounts again. All dev/admin staff have access to the DPR account to talk on the forum behind the scenes without everyone needing an individual account (prevents people identifying the amount of devs and others if the forum has a vulnerability).

Heh. Please.

[animalinpain5440]

Perhaps DPR2 was never really out of the game but in the background still working and trusted. Conjecture, of course. This Drama is better than " Breaking Bad"

[Blagah]

I've often speculated why DPR2 didn't return to Silk road. Did he abscond with bitcoin funds? Run off with a mods wife? I like to think he killed a man. It's the Romantic in me.

[oracle]

Perhaps DPR2 was never really out of the game but in the background still working and trusted. Conjecture, of course. This Drama is better than " Breaking Bad"

Except sadly Breaking Bad ended on somewhat of a positive note with some form of justice done. Uncle Jack and his merry band of Neo Nazis who stole millionswere mowed down. In this case.. people lost a lot of money. Some vendors have conveyed to me losses that will really ruin their lives and potentially endanger their safety. It is fucked up.

[chosen]

Perhaps DPR2 was never really out of the game but in the background still working and trusted. Conjecture, of course. This Drama is better than " Breaking Bad"

DPR2 = stexo = defcon = oracle. 

What the hell are all of you doing here?

[ACE]

Oracle, please tell us how you know it was StExo or at least some sort of evidence.

I might tell people privately, but not here.

So we have 1 theory : mysterious vendors whom nobody has heard from in weeks/months exploited "transaction malleability" bug in bitcoin.. which.. ohyeah.. can't be "exploited" to do anything relating stealing anything (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_Malleability)

And now we have theory2.

Well Londonites, you've got a very wealthy thief living amongst you..

Lets find him before the police do

[dark_prophet]

Perhaps DPR2 was never really out of the game but in the background still working and trusted. Conjecture, of course. This Drama is better than " Breaking Bad"

DPR2 = stexo = defcon = oracle. 

What the hell are all of you doing here?

DPR2 = stexo = defcon = oracle=dev team=chem cat=dorctorclu=cirrus

[Blagah]

Oracle, please tell us how you know it was StExo or at least some sort of evidence.

I might tell people privately, but not here.

So we have 1 theory : mysterious vendors whom nobody has heard from in weeks/months exploited "transaction malleability" bug in bitcoin.. which.. ohyeah.. can't be "exploited" to do anything relating stealing anything (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_Malleability)

And now we have theory2.

Well Londonites, you've got a very wealthy thief living amongst you..

Lets find him before the police do

I am making out the report now. I haven't quite decided yet whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape.

[Novalue]

Perhaps DPR2 was never really out of the game but in the background still working and trusted. Conjecture, of course. This Drama is better than " Breaking Bad"

DPR2 = stexo = defcon = oracle. 

What the hell are all of you doing here?

DPR2 = stexo = defcon = oracle=dev team=chem cat=dorctorclu=cirrus

WHAT! Is that the "One man army" glitch in MW2?

[oracle]

Perhaps DPR2 was never really out of the game but in the background still working and trusted. Conjecture, of course. This Drama is better than " Breaking Bad"

DPR2 = stexo = defcon = oracle. 

What the hell are all of you doing here?

No, that's offensive. I'd rather be accused of being hitler then stexo

[lostdude1111]

where do astor,pine and limitless figure in all this?

[secretAngel]

HUIIIIIII .........

What a remarkable night!

[oracle]

where do astor,pine and limitless figure in all this?

Who knows, probably nothing.

I think it's probably time for the administrators of the site to address the transaction malleability explanation and why that invalid reason for the theft was given.
Administration..anyone home?

[lostdude1111]

where do astor,pine and limitless figure in all this?

Who knows, probably nothing.

I think it's probably time for the administrators of the site to address the transaction malleability explanation and why that invalid reason for the theft was given.
Administration..anyone home?

but they are still active but under different names. i know that pine was active in the helping of the site security wise on SR1

[chosen]

[blasty]

You seem to know so much...can you go into detail about why you believe Defcon is not DPR2/StExo?

Why the announcement from Defcon that the site was hacked? Surely he had to know better. Perhaps his only guilt was being substantially under qualified for his role, I don't know.  But can you provide any details as to why Defcon is not DPR2?

[mito]

where do astor,pine and limitless figure in all this?

limetless?

is he around?

I love him!

[oracle]

You seem to know so much...can you go into detail about why you believe Defcon is not DPR2/StExo?

Why the announcement from Defcon that the site was hacked? Surely he had to know better. Perhaps his only guilt was being substantially under qualified for his role, I don't know.  But can you provide any details as to why Defcon is not DPR2?

This is stuff I'm struggling with as it is the natural question to ask. However, I can't put my or people's safetly inadvertently (even if they are incompetent) in jeopardy. I need to do a little meditation or deep thinking before I comment on this. This is a critical time, and I feel people do repose some trust in me, so I need to be careful because every word has far reaching ramifications.

[chosen]

You seem to know so much...can you go into detail about why you believe Defcon is not DPR2/StExo?

Why the announcement from Defcon that the site was hacked? Surely he had to know better. Perhaps his only guilt was being substantially under qualified for his role, I don't know.  But can you provide any details as to why Defcon is not DPR2?

This is stuff I'm struggling with as it is the natural question to ask. However, I can't put my or people's safetly inadvertently (even if they are incompetent) in jeopardy. I need to do a little meditation or deep thinking before I comment on this. This is a critical time, and I feel people do repose some trust in me, so I need to be careful because every word has far reaching ramifications.

That was absolutely beautiful.  Brilliant really...

oops, forgot my <sarc> tag

[Meerkovo]

You seem to know so much...can you go into detail about why you believe Defcon is not DPR2/StExo?

Why the announcement from Defcon that the site was hacked? Surely he had to know better. Perhaps his only guilt was being substantially under qualified for his role, I don't know.  But can you provide any details as to why Defcon is not DPR2?

I don't think it's appropriate to say at this moment. But does ANY good / trusted SR1 vendor that continued vending here remember a message from someone in regards to SR2?

Think a little hard if your reading this and you might just remember, but I am not sure if that message was spread on SR1 forums or SR2 forums, I think it was tailored to each member.

Person A sent 'messsage about something'

This person A, I have no proof to say yes it's him, but I am convinced hes DPR2 or Defcon, in addition, this person, from what I gathered from him in the past, knows his shit and doesn't have the heart or the intention to cause this. He may not have been DPR1 (mentality wise) but money wasn't a great deal of motivation for him, or at least to pull this scheme. Let some light be shed upon this supposed hack, or indeed may have been, but right now a lot of confusion in this place.


Meerkovo

[gaust]

Based on my discussions with the current DPR...and I can vouche that this DPR while extremely close to the previous DPR, is more competent with security. (No offense to previous DPR.. there is nothing but love for him/her. I will not refer to that DPR as Mr. Ulbricht until and if he is convicted).

Take my word on it folks, I was very close to our former captain and the current DPR is well aware of that. I wouldn't be here for a minute longer then necessary if I felt it was an effort lacking rock solid security measures.

I think I may have been a bit rash in running to the forum with a bunch serious allegations. I think all the stakeholders involved have the benefit of our community at hand.. and sometimes people are wrong. Don't crucify me. SteXo is a good guy.. and no offense Stex.. but I'm not convinced you'd even be cut out for the new DPR role! That being said.. "new DPR" sat myself and Stexo down to work out our grievances in private. What Stexo has said is true.. and without saying too much, I'll offer this. He was offered the job of site and forum admin.. and has for the time being turned it down. Why? I don't know. I hope he does continue to help behind the scenes though.

7-weeks ago you were asking Stexo to drop you a line and share his gazillions with you.  In that same epic post, you referred to psyops four times and admitted you engaged in psyops:  http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=11089.0

Can you explain why you now hate Stexo absent the mysterious evidence you discovered?

[RICHARD_KUKLINSKI]

I think it's probably time for the administrators of the site to address the transaction malleability explanation and why that invalid reason for the theft was given.
Administration..anyone home?

Oracle, if for some (obvious) reason you get banned please continue this episode of the SR drama series @ The Hub!

Wouldn't want to miss the season finale!




RK

[blasty]

You seem to know so much...can you go into detail about why you believe Defcon is not DPR2/StExo?

Why the announcement from Defcon that the site was hacked? Surely he had to know better. Perhaps his only guilt was being substantially under qualified for his role, I don't know.  But can you provide any details as to why Defcon is not DPR2?

This is stuff I'm struggling with as it is the natural question to ask. However, I can't put my or people's safetly inadvertently (even if they are incompetent) in jeopardy. I need to do a little meditation or deep thinking before I comment on this. This is a critical time, and I feel people do repose some trust in me, so I need to be careful because every word has far reaching ramifications.

Understood. I patiently look forward to to whenever those comments come.

One more question. What about Defcon's claim that Silk Road was hacked by three specific people. He even provided the %'s of each theft (I am not sure why that thread was deleted, I'm sure it may have something to do with your revelations). Do you believe that these accounts were in some way involved in the heist?


Perhaps, and this is directed to the mods and anyone with power here, that a statement should be put on the front page of Silk Road as well as a sticky in the discussion forum retracting the statement that Defcon made where he provided aliases and countries for those accounts, as the doxxing of innocent people could have begun already.

[gaust]

DPR2 = stexo = defcon = oracle=dev team=chem cat=dorctorclu=cirrus

DPR2 = Stexo = Oracle = the name of a CIA project Larry Ellison worked on at Ampex

[Capiche]

Layer upon layer of unproven claims.

No one knows what actually happened, and they are going to great lengths to cover it up.

Hence: this whole thread is speculation, unless someone can deliver definitive proof of their claims.

[Blagah]

Perhaps you have already observed that in SR2 human life is cheap.

[oracle]

Based on my discussions with the current DPR...and I can vouche that this DPR while extremely close to the previous DPR, is more competent with security. (No offense to previous DPR.. there is nothing but love for him/her. I will not refer to that DPR as Mr. Ulbricht until and if he is convicted).

Take my word on it folks, I was very close to our former captain and the current DPR is well aware of that. I wouldn't be here for a minute longer then necessary if I felt it was an effort lacking rock solid security measures.

I think I may have been a bit rash in running to the forum with a bunch serious allegations. I think all the stakeholders involved have the benefit of our community at hand.. and sometimes people are wrong. Don't crucify me. SteXo is a good guy.. and no offense Stex.. but I'm not convinced you'd even be cut out for the new DPR role! That being said.. "new DPR" sat myself and Stexo down to work out our grievances in private. What Stexo has said is true.. and without saying too much, I'll offer this. He was offered the job of site and forum admin.. and has for the time being turned it down. Why? I don't know. I hope he does continue to help behind the scenes though.

7-weeks ago you were asking Stexo to drop you a line and share his gazillions with you.  In that same epic post, you referred to psyops four times and admitted you engaged in psyops:  http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=11089.0

Can you explain why you now hate Stexo absent the mysterious evidence you discovered?

I'm ashamed of that. Thats stuff I'm struggling with. I'll address that when I'm good and ready.

[blasty]

You seem to know so much...can you go into detail about why you believe Defcon is not DPR2/StExo?

Why the announcement from Defcon that the site was hacked? Surely he had to know better. Perhaps his only guilt was being substantially under qualified for his role, I don't know.  But can you provide any details as to why Defcon is not DPR2?

This is stuff I'm struggling with as it is the natural question to ask. However, I can't put my or people's safetly inadvertently (even if they are incompetent) in jeopardy. I need to do a little meditation or deep thinking before I comment on this. This is a critical time, and I feel people do repose some trust in me, so I need to be careful because every word has far reaching ramifications.

Last post on this I promise.

Your statement could be taken 1 of 2 ways.

1. You aren't sure whether or not DPR2=Defcon, and you need more time to think about it/saying that he is and being wrong potentially puts an innocent life in jeopardy.

2. You are sure that DPR2 is not Defcon. But in order to post the proof of this, you risk exposing your (and your "peoples" identity/well being).


Can you answer whether you meant 1 or 2?

[CashCo]

[oracle]

You seem to know so much...can you go into detail about why you believe Defcon is not DPR2/StExo?

Why the announcement from Defcon that the site was hacked? Surely he had to know better. Perhaps his only guilt was being substantially under qualified for his role, I don't know.  But can you provide any details as to why Defcon is not DPR2?

This is stuff I'm struggling with as it is the natural question to ask. However, I can't put my or people's safetly inadvertently (even if they are incompetent) in jeopardy. I need to do a little meditation or deep thinking before I comment on this. This is a critical time, and I feel people do repose some trust in me, so I need to be careful because every word has far reaching ramifications.

Last post on this I promise.

Your statement could be taken 1 of 2 ways.

1. You aren't sure whether or not DPR2=Defcon, and you need more time to think about it/saying that he is and being wrong potentially puts an innocent life in jeopardy.

2. You are sure that DPR2 is not Defcon. But in order to post the proof of this, you risk exposing your (and your "peoples" identity/well being).


Can you answer whether you meant 1 or 2?

Option 3, I mean that.

[chosen]

You seem to know so much...can you go into detail about why you believe Defcon is not DPR2/StExo?

Why the announcement from Defcon that the site was hacked? Surely he had to know better. Perhaps his only guilt was being substantially under qualified for his role, I don't know.  But can you provide any details as to why Defcon is not DPR2?

This is stuff I'm struggling with as it is the natural question to ask. However, I can't put my or people's safetly inadvertently (even if they are incompetent) in jeopardy. I need to do a little meditation or deep thinking before I comment on this. This is a critical time, and I feel people do repose some trust in me, so I need to be careful because every word has far reaching ramifications.

Last post on this I promise.

Your statement could be taken 1 of 2 ways.

1. You aren't sure whether or not DPR2=Defcon, and you need more time to think about it/saying that he is and being wrong potentially puts an innocent life in jeopardy.

2. You are sure that DPR2 is not Defcon. But in order to post the proof of this, you risk exposing your (and your "peoples" identity/well being).


Can you answer whether you meant 1 or 2?

Option 3, I mean that.

Option 3 being it's all a big scam.  Suckers!!!

[Blagah]

You'll excuse me, gentlemen. Your business is politics, mine is buying drugs far away from SR.

[sticksNshit]

Perhaps DPR2 was never really out of the game but in the background still working and trusted. Conjecture, of course. This Drama is better than " Breaking Bad"

DPR2 = stexo = defcon = oracle. 

What the hell are all of you doing here?

I have lurked these forums for sometime and the things I have been reading and seeing tell me this -

Man this is all smoke and mirrors here.

This was planned from the beginning when StExos came in the scene.

Wasn't he Ulbricht money man?

He more than likely gave these BOYS fake RLI.

He snuggled in real close with SR1 admin and mods.

He outed all these guys.

Ulbright first.

He needed the SR mods to set up his new gig.

They did

He called them in, around the holidays at that.

He only needed a bare bones piece to steal the money anyway.

He stole it while he could.

The whole site was crashing down around him.

The best way to disappear? Miss direction.

Smoke and mirrors friends.

All these different user names being used.

Anything is possible at this point.

I have no proof but my experience tells me this is pretty dam possible.

[chosen]

Perhaps DPR2 was never really out of the game but in the background still working and trusted. Conjecture, of course. This Drama is better than " Breaking Bad"

DPR2 = stexo = defcon = oracle. 

What the hell are all of you doing here?

I have lurked these forums for sometime and the things I have been reading and seeing tell me this -

Man this is all smoke and mirrors here.

This was planned from the beginning when StExos came in the scene.

Wasn't he Ulbricht money man?

He more than likely gave these BOYS fake RLI.

He snuggled in real close with SR1 admin and mods.

He outed all these guys.

Ulbright first.

He needed the SR mods to set up his new gig.

They did

He called them in, around the holidays at that.

He only needed a bare bones piece to steal the money anyway.

He stole it while he could.

The whole site was crashing down around him.

The best way to disappear? Miss direction.

Smoke and mirrors friends.

All these different user names being used.

Anything is possible at this point.

I have no proof but my experience tells me this is pretty dam possible.

Smart man.  The rest of you need to start thinking too.  There are good markets out there.
Backopy did it right with the same model as this place.  Only difference is he had integrity.

Maybe that is lacking these days but I am sure it is out there.  Look around, trust your gut.

THINK!

[Radioactive]

limetless?

is he around?

I love him!
[/quote]

lol

Nobody loves limitless.

[oracle]

Thats all conjecture, and again, I don't think Defcon was aware, and my personal opinion is that an incompetent person was tasked to look into the matter.

[dark_prophet]

anyone remember this?

The grim_reaper knows and the grim_reaper says, watch out for "Oracle" - You have been warned for the last time. Goodbye.

[The Cat]

YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK

TALKY TALKY TALKY TALKY TALKY

ALL WORDS AND NO ACTION AND IN THE END HE TOLD US SOMETHING WE COULD ALREADY FIGURE OUT FOR OURSELVES LIKE WE ARE ALL DUMMIES AND HE KNOWS SOMETHING WE DONT

YOU ARE AS BAD AS DEFCON BUD

YEEEEAAAAH HAHAHAHA WOOOOOWIE YEAH

FISH!

[dark_prophet]

YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK

TALKY TALKY TALKY TALKY TALKY

ALL WORDS AND NO ACTION AND IN THE END HE TOLD US SOMETHING WE COULD ALREADY FIGURE OUT FOR OURSELVES LIKE WE ARE ALL DUMMIES AND HE KNOWS SOMETHING WE DONT

YOU ARE AS BAD AS DEFCON BUD

YEEEEAAAAH HAHAHAHA WOOOOOWIE YEAH

FISH!

What was that? Now do you press cap locks or do you hold down shift to make it extra dramatic

[twatWaffle]

YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK

TALKY TALKY TALKY TALKY TALKY

ALL WORDS AND NO ACTION AND IN THE END HE TOLD US SOMETHING WE COULD ALREADY FIGURE OUT FOR OURSELVES LIKE WE ARE ALL DUMMIES AND HE KNOWS SOMETHING WE DONT

YOU ARE AS BAD AS DEFCON BUD

YEEEEAAAAH HAHAHAHA WOOOOOWIE YEAH

FISH!

OMG CAT!!! Where's Lister? Did ya get rid of Goal Post Head? How's Chriton? Here's a lovely fish. +1

[blasty]

I'm going to read between the lines and post my own theory here....if nothing else it will be a bit of fan fic

For now, I assume Oracle is right when he says DPR2 = StExo.

I don't think Defcon is anymore than an incompetent fall guy who got used.

Its obvious that, even though Oracle never directly said it, that Defcon is the incompetent person he vaguely mentions. After all, he is the account that posted that the site was hacked using a Transaction Malleability exploit. Unless a security expert comes in this thread and can say beyond a doubt that oracle is full of shit and what Defcon wrote IS possible, then I am inclined to believe him. But seeing as how Defcon's message was deleted...I don't think anyone is going to come argue that point.

Now months ago the "cold storage" excuse popped up from Defcon. There were people who quickly pointed out that there were flaws in that story as well. But the amount of money as negligible. I was only escrow IIRC, user accounts and vendor accounts were okay to process withdraws. Doesn't surprise me that the user account balances were left alone. It was so fresh after the Sheep scam that I don't think anyone would have left more than their spare change in their accounts.

DPR2 returned the money because it wasn't enough for him to retire on yet, and the damage being done to the Silk Road brand by that mistake would have been enormous. If what we know about StExo is also true, that he is wealthy, then he didn't really care too much about escrowed funds. He considered it an investment with house money that promised a really great return one day.

But I think maybe DPR2 saw that the timing was right right now and made his move. I don't think Defcon is DPR2 because that guy would have known that the Transaction Malleability exploit was bogus, and his credibility would be shot by using that as an excuse. But DPR2 saw that the goodwill of Silk Road that was [allegedly] built by Ross Ulbricht was eroding away. Defcon was obviously a failure as a leader and largely incompetent and DPR2 understood that. Vendors were unable to complete transactions or even view orders for weeks because of a bug in the system that disabled their bonds. Money stuck in escrow in disputes wasn't being returned to the rightful owner. Support had not logged in in over a week last I checked (and seriously, I hate to think how much money Whitedreams costed us now that we will never see the money for the transaction we were "smart" enough not to finalize). Alternative markets were popping up every day that were eating into SR's revenue, escrow, and account balances. And combine one more nail in the coffin, bitcoin prices were getting pummeled every day. From the backlash of the MtGox shutdown, to Bitinstant CEO being indicted, I think DPR2 just decided that the time was right to pull the plug on the op and cash out with our money.

Now I assume in his silence, he actually was probably in communication with Defcon and trying to help him run some of the day to day ops. I'm sure he told Defcon about the exploit and gave him all the vendor names and blockchain address info. That way, when Defcon posted it, it was his head. Defcon realized that the whole thing was a farce and wiped the message.

I really think he's just an idiot who got used by a smarter thief...

[blasty]

And one more thing....interesting that this happens RIGHT AFTER auto finalize was implemented. How much you want to bet not one transaction was auto finalized? More money in escrow = more money to steal = less to be withdrawn. Throwing up a feature like auto finalize might be a good way to incentive vendors to stop requiring FE and begin able to withdraw their coins off site faster. A cheap trick that probably required a couple minutes of work (let's be honest the feature didn't even need to function, it was only there for aesthetics) and greatly increased the reward.

I have no doubt this was an inside job

so Defcon, what made you say it was hacked? Who told you to say that?

[YourHumbleServant]

Oracle, Please respond to my private message. Defcon spoke to me trying to cover for stexo when the whole christmas fiasco went down.
It should be in your inbox shortly

[oracle]

Oracle, Please respond to my private message. Defcon spoke to me trying to cover for stexo when the whole christmas fiasco went down.
It should be in your inbox shortly

Really? Hmm.. ok, will check once it arrives.

[The Cat]

YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK YAK

TALKY TALKY TALKY TALKY TALKY

ALL WORDS AND NO ACTION AND IN THE END HE TOLD US SOMETHING WE COULD ALREADY FIGURE OUT FOR OURSELVES LIKE WE ARE ALL DUMMIES AND HE KNOWS SOMETHING WE DONT

YOU ARE AS BAD AS DEFCON BUD

YEEEEAAAAH HAHAHAHA WOOOOOWIE YEAH

FISH!

OMG CAT!!! Where's Lister? Did ya get rid of Goal Post Head? How's Chriton? Here's a lovely fish. +1

THANK YOU BUDDY SAME TO YOU

KRYTEN IS FINE HE IS FOLDING LISTERS CLOTHES AND DOO DOO HEAD GOT DEACTIVATED BY HOLLY

LISTER IS EATING A KEBAB SOMEWHERE ON DECK 7

HERE ARE SOME SHINEY THINGS FOR YOUR DONATION OF YOUR FISH

HAHA YEEEEAAAAH IM DOIN NIIICEEE!

[Nightcrawler]

where do astor,pine and limitless figure in all this?

Who knows, probably nothing.

I think it's probably time for the administrators of the site to address the transaction malleability explanation and why that invalid reason for the theft was given.
Administration..anyone home?

but they are still active but under different names. i know that pine was active in the helping of the site security wise on SR1

Pine helping with SR1 site security?  Now there's a laugh!  I'll grant he started the original PGP Club thread, but that was about it. He came up with some of the most wacked-out shit I've ever heard of, like using one-time pads using the stock market as a source of entropy!  (I almost herniated myself laughing over that one!)

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7 3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain. --Friedrich Schiller

[B4B]

I'm going to read between the lines and post my own theory here....if nothing else it will be a bit of fan fic

For now, I assume Oracle is right when he says DPR2 = StExo.

I don't think Defcon is anymore than an incompetent fall guy who got used.

Its obvious that, even though Oracle never directly said it, that Defcon is the incompetent person he vaguely mentions. After all, he is the account that posted that the site was hacked using a Transaction Malleability exploit. Unless a security expert comes in this thread and can say beyond a doubt that oracle is full of shit and what Defcon wrote IS possible, then I am inclined to believe him. But seeing as how Defcon's message was deleted...I don't think anyone is going to come argue that point.

Now months ago the "cold storage" excuse popped up from Defcon. There were people who quickly pointed out that there were flaws in that story as well. But the amount of money as negligible. I was only escrow IIRC, user accounts and vendor accounts were okay to process withdraws. Doesn't surprise me that the user account balances were left alone. It was so fresh after the Sheep scam that I don't think anyone would have left more than their spare change in their accounts.

DPR2 returned the money because it wasn't enough for him to retire on yet, and the damage being done to the Silk Road brand by that mistake would have been enormous. If what we know about StExo is also true, that he is wealthy, then he didn't really care too much about escrowed funds. He considered it an investment with house money that promised a really great return one day.

But I think maybe DPR2 saw that the timing was right right now and made his move. I don't think Defcon is DPR2 because that guy would have known that the Transaction Malleability exploit was bogus, and his credibility would be shot by using that as an excuse. But DPR2 saw that the goodwill of Silk Road that was [allegedly] built by Ross Ulbricht was eroding away. Defcon was obviously a failure as a leader and largely incompetent and DPR2 understood that. Vendors were unable to complete transactions or even view orders for weeks because of a bug in the system that disabled their bonds. Money stuck in escrow in disputes wasn't being returned to the rightful owner. Support had not logged in in over a week last I checked (and seriously, I hate to think how much money Whitedreams costed us now that we will never see the money for the transaction we were "smart" enough not to finalize). Alternative markets were popping up every day that were eating into SR's revenue, escrow, and account balances. And combine one more nail in the coffin, bitcoin prices were getting pummeled every day. From the backlash of the MtGox shutdown, to Bitinstant CEO being indicted, I think DPR2 just decided that the time was right to pull the plug on the op and cash out with our money.

Now I assume in his silence, he actually was probably in communication with Defcon and trying to help him run some of the day to day ops. I'm sure he told Defcon about the exploit and gave him all the vendor names and blockchain address info. That way, when Defcon posted it, it was his head. Defcon realized that the whole thing was a farce and wiped the message.

I really think he's just an idiot who got used by a smarter thief...

This, +10 if I could.

Very nice insight !

[lostdude1111]

where do astor,pine and limitless figure in all this?

Who knows, probably nothing.

I think it's probably time for the administrators of the site to address the transaction malleability explanation and why that invalid reason for the theft was given.
Administration..anyone home?

but they are still active but under different names. i know that pine was active in the helping of the site security wise on SR1

Pine helping with SR1 site security?  Now there's a laugh!  I'll grant he started the original PGP Club thread, but that was about it. He came up with some of the most wacked-out shit I've ever heard of, like using one-time pads using the stock market as a source of entropy!  (I almost herniated myself laughing over that one!)

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7 3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain. --Friedrich Schiller

when the ddos attacked happened on SR1 i was talking to pine about something and they said they had been busy working on issues with the site, i presumed that meant he was helping DPR or at least advising.maybe i was wrong.

[Nightcrawler]

where do astor,pine and limitless figure in all this?

Who knows, probably nothing.

I think it's probably time for the administrators of the site to address the transaction malleability explanation and why that invalid reason for the theft was given.
Administration..anyone home?

but they are still active but under different names. i know that pine was active in the helping of the site security wise on SR1

Pine helping with SR1 site security?  Now there's a laugh!  I'll grant he started the original PGP Club thread, but that was about it. He came up with some of the most wacked-out shit I've ever heard of, like using one-time pads using the stock market as a source of entropy!  (I almost herniated myself laughing over that one!)

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7 3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain. --Friedrich Schiller

when the ddos attacked happened on SR1 i was talking to pine about something and they said they had been busy working on issues with the site, i presumed that meant he was helping DPR or at least advising.maybe i was wrong.

Who knows who Ross had advising/helping him.... for all I know Pine might actually have been helping out.  What I can say is that in what interactions I had with him, he didn't strike me as too terribly competent, from a technical point of view, at least. I don't know whether they were actually helping out or not, but based on my assessment of their technical ability, plus some of their morel ludicrous pronouncements, I just had to laugh at the very idea.  (Pine is not the first person I would have gone to for technical support.)

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7 3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain. --Friedrich Schiller

[FrenchFries]

where do astor,pine and limitless figure in all this?

Who knows, probably nothing.

I think it's probably time for the administrators of the site to address the transaction malleability explanation and why that invalid reason for the theft was given.
Administration..anyone home?

but they are still active but under different names. i know that pine was active in the helping of the site security wise on SR1

Pine helping with SR1 site security?  Now there's a laugh!  I'll grant he started the original PGP Club thread, but that was about it. He came up with some of the most wacked-out shit I've ever heard of, like using one-time pads using the stock market as a source of entropy!  (I almost herniated myself laughing over that one!)

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7 3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain. --Friedrich Schiller

Oh god rofl. +1 I remember this.

[TheBadger]

Still no comment from mods/staff? Yes, no, maybe so? Christ this place has become a total circus

[Blagah]

Still no comment from mods/staff? Yes, no, maybe so? Christ this place has become a total circus

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It is being worked on. All the escrow code must be removed and new fee-structures implemented. At the same time, an announcement will be made once complete which Defcon and staff are working on. Meanwhile the pursuit of the attackers is ongoing.

Busy is an understatement.
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Take it for whatever it's worth. This announcement must be a 100 page manifesto for all the time they have into it.

[FrenchFries]

They're not putting time into the ANNOUNCEMENT, smart one, they're putting time into REBUILDING. Obviously? Isn't that obvious?

[43percenter]

Blasty +1   That was an insanely plausible summary.     

I still want to hear from, or know who, this "Hux" character  is....................he sounded conviningly competent when he came blasting out from behind the scenes to tell us to chill out a few weeks back.     I'm sure if it was Defcon or Cirrus but a Mod  posted shortly after that they were "astonished" that Hux came out from behind the curtain to address the masses.....b/c he's such a behined the scenes guy.      (Rough summary from recollection.....)     Hux seemed to sum up the situation coherently and with authority and made (at least me) feel a little better at the time.   

Hux canst thou speaketh ?!?

[Blagah]

Hux canst thou speaketh ?!?

Hold on it will take a few minutes for them to change accounts

[flightisnormal]

I wonder what do you, nice people, expect from the announcement?

A miracle return of your balances and escrow?

It is pretty clear what is happening from those pieces of info floating arround, so the wisest thing to do is to calm down your breathing and move onto places that do not behave like drama central's.

I know that many of you are very upset by this, but this is the price to pay to acquire that valuable knowledge we call experience.

If things smell fishy do not come close to them.

Decentralised markets or markets where central authority does not deal with cash will be next thing, at least for the mid-term.

Take care and wishing you waste less of your time on this.

Parting shot - see The Majestic Garden for a simple marketplace without escrow that has only highly reputable vendors:

In keeping with Defcons invitation for openness in sharing other markets with you, we copy info about the majestic Garden.

This is an open market with a difference. the site operators do not deal with funds. They simply offer a site where trusted vendors can list their goods, and the deal with the transaction directly with the customer.

Since SR1 went down, we have been requiring FE on all of our orders. We have not had one complaint. There are other vendors out there who will never let you down, many of them can be found on TMG.

The site it a work in progress, but it is a market with heart, and we feel they take a very welcome different approach to the fragile centralised model.

Kindly,

jor

Market url http://qefrdnto7feutdg7.onion/

Forum url e26rc2tpqcfipmob.onion

The Majestic Garden

is a meeting place for vendors and customers. We do not provide a traditional marketplace, but a listing and communication service. We do not handle any of the financial aspects during the ordering process. This web site doesn't take any commissions or registration fees. If you find our services to be a value to you please consider donating bitcoins to 1KF1kkDwbLbcfFKXVx2NJGJ2eapQkELjUN

We Do Not Have A Bitcoin/Litecoin Service Provided on This Server. So it will be up to the customers and vendors to provide their own bitcoin/litecoin client.

We have a site set up for the listings of our trusted vendors. You may access the site by going to http://qefrdnto7feutdg7.onion/

This site will allow you to individually view the vendors products as you would in most marketplaces. Before the ordering process we recommend that you communicate with the vendors and make sure you understand their terms of service, as this may vary between the different vendors. As a reminder we do not offer any escrow service here and any payments made will be payments directly to a vendor. With that being said, please do your research before sending anyone your money.

In any marketplace hidden or clear, private or public, escrow or not. There are two factors when making an order Risk and Trust. With other escrow marketplaces anyone with coin in their account's are the ones taking a risk and must have complete trust in the operators of the market place. The Majestic Garden is a direct trade system. For the most part it will be up to the customer to have all of the trust in their vendors and will be taking all the risk.

For this place to survive it will require an informed and vigilant customer base. After viewing the success of The LSD Avengers on the first Silk Road we have decided to use that same review model here on our forums. We will try to bring the best vendors from all over the darknet, but it will be the customer's that need to become the regulators of this system of trade. Please make sure all feedback given will be constructive and accurate. If you are having a problem with a vendor, please try your best to communicate and resolve the problem between the two of you. If you would like any assistance please send a private message to Support here or on the main site. If you were unable to resolve your dispute privately and believe that you need to voice your concerns publicly, please use the dispute section of the forum.

The success of this site depends on the customers and vendors being active and equal partners with the site operators.

[blasty]

I wonder what do you, nice people, expect from the announcement?

A miracle return of your balances and escrow?

It is pretty clear what is happening from those pieces of info floating arround, so the wisest thing to do is to calm down your breathing and move onto places that do not behave like drama central's.

I wonder what do you, nice people, expect from the announcement?

A miracle return of your balances and escrow?

It is pretty clear what is happening from those pieces of info floating arround, so the wisest thing to do is to calm down your breathing and move onto places that do not behave like drama central's.

I know that many of you are very upset by this, but this is the price to pay to acquire that valuable knowledge we call experience.

If things smell fishy do not come close to them.

Decentralised markets or markets where central authority does not deal with cash will be next thing, at least for the mid-term.

Take care and wishing you waste less of your time on this.

Parting shot - see The Majestic Garden for a simple marketplace without escrow that has only highly reputable vendors:

In keeping with Defcons invitation for openness in sharing other markets with you, we copy info about the majestic Garden.

This is an open market with a difference. the site operators do not deal with funds. They simply offer a site where trusted vendors can list their goods, and the deal with the transaction directly with the customer.

Since SR1 went down, we have been requiring FE on all of our orders. We have not had one complaint. There are other vendors out there who will never let you down, many of them can be found on TMG.

The site it a work in progress, but it is a market with heart, and we feel they take a very welcome different approach to the fragile centralised model.

Kindly,

jor

Market url http://qefrdnto7feutdg7.onion/

Forum url e26rc2tpqcfipmob.onion

The Majestic Garden

is a meeting place for vendors and customers. We do not provide a traditional marketplace, but a listing and communication service. We do not handle any of the financial aspects during the ordering process. This web site doesn't take any commissions or registration fees. If you find our services to be a value to you please consider donating bitcoins to 1KF1kkDwbLbcfFKXVx2NJGJ2eapQkELjUN

We Do Not Have A Bitcoin/Litecoin Service Provided on This Server. So it will be up to the customers and vendors to provide their own bitcoin/litecoin client.

We have a site set up for the listings of our trusted vendors. You may access the site by going to http://qefrdnto7feutdg7.onion/

This site will allow you to individually view the vendors products as you would in most marketplaces. Before the ordering process we recommend that you communicate with the vendors and make sure you understand their terms of service, as this may vary between the different vendors. As a reminder we do not offer any escrow service here and any payments made will be payments directly to a vendor. With that being said, please do your research before sending anyone your money.

In any marketplace hidden or clear, private or public, escrow or not. There are two factors when making an order Risk and Trust. With other escrow marketplaces anyone with coin in their account's are the ones taking a risk and must have complete trust in the operators of the market place. The Majestic Garden is a direct trade system. For the most part it will be up to the customer to have all of the trust in their vendors and will be taking all the risk.

For this place to survive it will require an informed and vigilant customer base. After viewing the success of The LSD Avengers on the first Silk Road we have decided to use that same review model here on our forums. We will try to bring the best vendors from all over the darknet, but it will be the customer's that need to become the regulators of this system of trade. Please make sure all feedback given will be constructive and accurate. If you are having a problem with a vendor, please try your best to communicate and resolve the problem between the two of you. If you would like any assistance please send a private message to Support here or on the main site. If you were unable to resolve your dispute privately and believe that you need to voice your concerns publicly, please use the dispute section of the forum.

The success of this site depends on the customers and vendors being active and equal partners with the site operators.

I lost a total of $60 in this because I ordered a gram from whitedreams and never finalized(almost 2 months of despute lag) . I lost about $2 in the sheep scam because I was too lazy to sweep out my spare change. I learned my lesson when I lost $450 when the FBI seized SR1 and that was because I placed an order about 10 minutes before the bust. I assume I am in the majority when I say my losses were extremely minor.

Something tells me that with a site this size and only $2.7 million lost, not too many people are really in dire straits (although I truly feel for those who are). At any rate, I think everyone is comfortable that their coins aren't gogn to show up...ever, Since I started paying attention to the DarkWeb, this has happened an uncountable number of times (I can count Atlantis, SR1, P:BF, Sheep, TorMarket now SR2. I'm not even TRYING to list them all, I have no idea how many there are).

I follow threads like this because the drug game is an expensive to play, and like knowing anything else well, it gets more affordable. I like buying online better than in real life. I risk to much with my job and livelihood by going through other sources and carrying shit back in my car on long drives. I also hate going near drug dealers IRL because I sold weed in college and my partner/supplier was murdered over holiday break over a simple break in and stick up. I chilled there all the time. and some piece of shit thug put one in his chest over a HP of some below avg ganj and a grand in cash. I want nothing to do with drug dealers face to face.

So no, this shit isn't about getting money back. I really doubt it is for most people who have been anxiousness following this thread. Its about education. it's about what do we learn from this and where do we go next to make sure this never happens again. I am not sure that's even possible. I'm no expert on security or anything but when SR1 came along I thought I had a solution. Use Talis, PGP, buy coins anonymously, never finalize early....and  we will all be okay. It appears that more needs to be done by both  vendors and customers and I think most people who are watching theese threads are trying to find out what that could have been done. or what we will all do next.

It's definitely not about a refund. If if you can tell me how I can drastically reduce the occurrence of this without telling me that I I need to bu y IRL, then that is what I expect from the the the innocent SR staff memebrs. Straight answers, no theories of impossible hacks, no bullshit; How did the money get taken amd who really did it? And if DPR2 rob us. What additional forms of projection do we have?

This dark market thing is pretty much the coolest concept of mu lifetime. I just need to try to educate myself as much as possible to makes sure if it fits in my lifestylel If i am getting scammed all the time, I'll sau fick it and just got back to drug dealer IRL. Although this time i have a girlfriend aka a human shield..

[rptl2k4]

I lost a total of $60 in this because I ordered a gram from whitedreams and never finalized(almost 2 months of despute lag) . I lost about $2 in the sheep scam because I was too lazy to sweep out my spare change. I learned my lesson when I lost $450 when the FBI seized SR1 and that was because I placed an order about 10 minutes before the bust. I assume I am in the majority when I say my losses were extremely minor.

Something tells me that with a site this size and only $2.7 million lost, not too many people are really in dire straits (although I truly feel for those who are). At any rate, I think everyone is comfortable that their coins aren't gogn to show up...ever, Since I started paying attention to the DarkWeb, this has happened an uncountable number of times (I can count Atlantis, SR1, P:BF, Sheep, TorMarket now SR2. I'm not even TRYING to list them all, I have no idea how many there are).

I follow threads like this because the drug game is an expensive to play, and like knowing anything else well, it gets more affordable. I like buying online better than in real life. I risk to much with my job and livelihood by going through other sources and carrying shit back in my car on long drives. I also hate going near drug dealers IRL because I sold weed in college and my partner/supplier was murdered over holiday break over a simple break in and stick up. I chilled there all the time. and some piece of shit thug put one in his chest over a HP of some below avg ganj and a grand in cash. I want nothing to do with drug dealers face to face.

So no, this shit isn't about getting money back. I really doubt it is for most people who have been anxiousness following this thread. Its about education. it's about what do we learn from this and where do we go next to make sure this never happens again. I am not sure that's even possible. I'm no expert on security or anything but when SR1 came along I thought I had a solution. Use Talis, PGP, buy coins anonymously, never finalize early....and  we will all be okay. It appears that more needs to be done by both  vendors and customers and I think most people who are watching theese threads are trying to find out what that could have been done. or what we will all do next.

It's definitely not about a refund. If if you can tell me how I can drastically reduce the occurrence of this without telling me that I I need to bu y IRL, then that is what I expect from the the the innocent SR staff memebrs. Straight answers, no theories of impossible hacks, no bullshit; How did the money get taken amd who really did it? And if DPR2 rob us. What additional forms of projection do we have?

This dark market thing is pretty much the coolest concept of mu lifetime. I just need to try to educate myself as much as possible to makes sure if it fits in my lifestylel If i am getting scammed all the time, I'll sau fick it and just got back to drug dealer IRL. Although this time i have a girlfriend aka a human shield..

I too, am here for education - and to figure out what my next steps are in the drug buying process. I appreciate your input blasty. Thank you.

[giancarlo]

You are doing exactly what you should be doing.  Limiting your exposure by depositing only what you intend to spend immediately.  Obviously that still poses risks because if something fails like this did (hack or scam) while your coin is either not yet spent or order placed and vendor hasnt processed yet then you are out of luck.  I call this the risk/reward for the service.  It's not perfect and lots of people get hosed but lots of people prosper for month before something like this happens. 

Me personally, I did it all wrong before SR1 went down and I got too comfortable and only bought what I needed at the time and when it shut down I was left with my balls in my hands with nothing.  This time around I stockpiled so that not if, but when something like this happened I wouldn't have to stress and more importantly not have to resort to going back to the old school way of getting gear.. garbage gear compared to what I sit on now.  The goal should always be to do what you can to limit your exposure both in OPSEC and financially.  But you need to be willing to lose some money, not unlike when you sit down at a blackjack table and exchange some cash for chips.

[rptl2k4]

You are doing exactly what you should be doing.  Limiting your exposure by depositing only what you intend to spend immediately.  Obviously that still poses risks because if something fails like this did (hack or scam) while your coin is either not yet spent or order placed and vendor hasnt processed yet then you are out of luck.  I call this the risk/reward for the service.  It's not perfect and lots of people get hosed but lots of people prosper for month before something like this happens. 

Me personally, I did it all wrong before SR1 went down and I got too comfortable and only bought what I needed at the time and when it shut down I was left with my balls in my hands with nothing.  This time around I stockpiled so that not if, but when something like this happened I wouldn't have to stress and more importantly not have to resort to going back to the old school way of getting gear.. garbage gear compared to what I sit on now.  The goal should always be to do what you can to limit your exposure both in OPSEC and financially.  But you need to be willing to lose some money, not unlike when you sit down at a blackjack table and exchange some cash for chips.

I'm not entirely sure if this was directed at me but I'll respond anyway.

I do all things said above and only because I've learned the hardway via others mistakes and guidance on these very forums. I appreciate you reiterating it though.

My biggest "what should I be doing?" is probably more or so: what does the future hold for silk road and where my place will be in that future. I'm sure a lot of others are feeling the same way.

[giancarlo]

You are doing exactly what you should be doing.  Limiting your exposure by depositing only what you intend to spend immediately.  Obviously that still poses risks because if something fails like this did (hack or scam) while your coin is either not yet spent or order placed and vendor hasnt processed yet then you are out of luck.  I call this the risk/reward for the service.  It's not perfect and lots of people get hosed but lots of people prosper for month before something like this happens. 

Me personally, I did it all wrong before SR1 went down and I got too comfortable and only bought what I needed at the time and when it shut down I was left with my balls in my hands with nothing.  This time around I stockpiled so that not if, but when something like this happened I wouldn't have to stress and more importantly not have to resort to going back to the old school way of getting gear.. garbage gear compared to what I sit on now.  The goal should always be to do what you can to limit your exposure both in OPSEC and financially.  But you need to be willing to lose some money, not unlike when you sit down at a blackjack table and exchange some cash for chips.

I'm not entirely sure if this was directed at me but I'll respond anyway.

I do all things said above and only because I've learned the hardway via others mistakes and guidance on these very forums. I appreciate you reiterating it though.

My biggest "what should I be doing?" is probably more or so: what does the future hold for silk road and where my place will be in that future. I'm sure a lot of others are feeling the same way.

I was directing it to Blasty but take from it what you will.  There are other markets that are entrenched.  Agora and Pandora are both solid.  If I had to choose between them I'd go with Agora just because they are backed by bitcoinfog.  Obviously we never know but I've had fine experiences on both.  SR has just always been my first child but those markets have established themselves quite well.  I wouldn't jump on anything that is just starting out.

[rptl2k4]

You are doing exactly what you should be doing.  Limiting your exposure by depositing only what you intend to spend immediately.  Obviously that still poses risks because if something fails like this did (hack or scam) while your coin is either not yet spent or order placed and vendor hasnt processed yet then you are out of luck.  I call this the risk/reward for the service.  It's not perfect and lots of people get hosed but lots of people prosper for month before something like this happens. 

Me personally, I did it all wrong before SR1 went down and I got too comfortable and only bought what I needed at the time and when it shut down I was left with my balls in my hands with nothing.  This time around I stockpiled so that not if, but when something like this happened I wouldn't have to stress and more importantly not have to resort to going back to the old school way of getting gear.. garbage gear compared to what I sit on now.  The goal should always be to do what you can to limit your exposure both in OPSEC and financially.  But you need to be willing to lose some money, not unlike when you sit down at a blackjack table and exchange some cash for chips.

I'm not entirely sure if this was directed at me but I'll respond anyway.

I do all things said above and only because I've learned the hardway via others mistakes and guidance on these very forums. I appreciate you reiterating it though.

My biggest "what should I be doing?" is probably more or so: what does the future hold for silk road and where my place will be in that future. I'm sure a lot of others are feeling the same way.

I was directing it to Blasty but take from it what you will.  There are other markets that are entrenched.  Agora and Pandora are both solid.  If I had to choose between them I'd go with Agora just because they are backed by bitcoinfog.  Obviously we never know but I've had fine experiences on both.  SR has just always been my first child but those markets have established themselves quite well.  I wouldn't jump on anything that is just starting out.

I definitely agree with not jumping onto new sites. I have set up a profile on Agora & will likely purchase from there if/when I see a trusted vendor.
Thank you for your guidance & words of advice.

[giancarlo]

There aren't a large number of vendors that have crossed over to multiple markets but it will begin to happen in the coming weeks.  One vendor I can personally attest to is PureFireMeds.  He is on both Agora and Pandora and is very reliable.  I can only personally speak to the pharmies but he has a vast array of products.  Beyond on that, I'm really hoping some of my most trusted vendors on SR, begin dealing on those sites although everyone should expect to see much more FE listings based on all the recent events.  I have no problem with that with vendors I've been dealing with for on the regular as they are as legit as it gets.  Obviously YMMV if you are new.

[rptl2k4]

I can only attest to Alberthoffman1943, Tesselated, and SCIdmt as being legit vedors that are on Algora atm. I'm really only dealing with LSD though.

[giancarlo]

I can only attest to Alberthoffman1943, Tesselated, and SCIdmt as being legit vedors that are on Algora atm. I'm really only dealing with LSD though.

Tess is not on Agora, although he really should be.

[riseup]

Stexo only started appearing on the forums towards the last year or so of SR1 doing security audits on vendor accounts but I dont think he was as big a player as he is being made out to be. THe only person that really know what the are on about is KWFM....(guy that stared ovdb), he went dark about a week before SR1 was taken down, really wish he would come back and comment

[Lief]

Based on my discussions with the current DPR...and I can vouche that this DPR while extremely close to the previous DPR, is more competent with security. (No offense to previous DPR.. there is nothing but love for him/her. I will not refer to that DPR as Mr. Ulbricht until and if he is convicted).

Take my word on it folks, I was very close to our former captain and the current DPR is well aware of that. I wouldn't be here for a minute longer then necessary if I felt it was an effort lacking rock solid security measures.

I think I may have been a bit rash in running to the forum with a bunch serious allegations. I think all the stakeholders involved have the benefit of our community at hand.. and sometimes people are wrong. Don't crucify me. SteXo is a good guy.. and no offense Stex.. but I'm not convinced you'd even be cut out for the new DPR role! That being said.. "new DPR" sat myself and Stexo down to work out our grievances in private. What Stexo has said is true.. and without saying too much, I'll offer this. He was offered the job of site and forum admin.. and has for the time being turned it down. Why? I don't know. I hope he does continue to help behind the scenes though.

7-weeks ago you were asking Stexo to drop you a line and share his gazillions with you.  In that same epic post, you referred to psyops four times and admitted you engaged in psyops:  http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=11089.0

Can you explain why you now hate Stexo absent the mysterious evidence you discovered?

I'm ashamed of that. Thats stuff I'm struggling with. I'll address that when I'm good and ready.

Any update on this or still "struggling"?

[flightisnormal]

I lost a total of $60 in this because I ordered a gram from whitedreams and never finalized(almost 2 months of despute lag) . I lost about $2 in the sheep scam because I was too lazy to sweep out my spare change. I learned my lesson when I lost $450 when the FBI seized SR1 and that was because I placed an order about 10 minutes before the bust. I assume I am in the majority when I say my losses were extremely minor.

Something tells me that with a site this size and only $2.7 million lost, not too many people are really in dire straits (although I truly feel for those who are). At any rate, I think everyone is comfortable that their coins aren't gogn to show up...ever, Since I started paying attention to the DarkWeb, this has happened an uncountable number of times (I can count Atlantis, SR1, P:BF, Sheep, TorMarket now SR2. I'm not even TRYING to list them all, I have no idea how many there are).

I follow threads like this because the drug game is an expensive to play, and like knowing anything else well, it gets more affordable. I like buying online better than in real life. I risk to much with my job and livelihood by going through other sources and carrying shit back in my car on long drives. I also hate going near drug dealers IRL because I sold weed in college and my partner/supplier was murdered over holiday break over a simple break in and stick up. I chilled there all the time. and some piece of shit thug put one in his chest over a HP of some below avg ganj and a grand in cash. I want nothing to do with drug dealers face to face.

So no, this shit isn't about getting money back. I really doubt it is for most people who have been anxiousness following this thread. Its about education. it's about what do we learn from this and where do we go next to make sure this never happens again. I am not sure that's even possible. I'm no expert on security or anything but when SR1 came along I thought I had a solution. Use Talis, PGP, buy coins anonymously, never finalize early....and  we will all be okay. It appears that more needs to be done by both  vendors and customers and I think most people who are watching theese threads are trying to find out what that could have been done. or what we will all do next.

It's definitely not about a refund. If if you can tell me how I can drastically reduce the occurrence of this without telling me that I I need to bu y IRL, then that is what I expect from the the the innocent SR staff memebrs. Straight answers, no theories of impossible hacks, no bullshit; How did the money get taken amd who really did it? And if DPR2 rob us. What additional forms of projection do we have?

This dark market thing is pretty much the coolest concept of mu lifetime. I just need to try to educate myself as much as possible to makes sure if it fits in my lifestylel If i am getting scammed all the time, I'll sau fick it and just got back to drug dealer IRL. Although this time i have a girlfriend aka a human shield..

I too, am here for education - and to figure out what my next steps are in the drug buying process. I appreciate your input blasty. Thank you.

Very sensible attitude, guys. Very. I am in a similar place.

Central authority markets have discredited themselves either because that authority went rogue or he/she got ceased the only future approach to markets that I see are de-centralised markets where transactions happen direct. One specific thing I would recommend you to look into is to get direct contact details of those vendors you trust and deal with them on direct basis. Trawl through these forums, collect their email addresses and GPG keys and off you go.

I know that there is no escrow there, but you also deal with trustworthy vendors. The Majestic Garden is geared to exactly these types of transactions as far as I can gather ... list of approved vendors is also pointing to a very thorough vetting process.

[flydolphinfly]

Questions for oracle. I understand you may well not be able/willing to answer all of this, but if you can speak to any of it please do.

1. What is/was Defcon's role on the site? It's beginning to look like DPR2 never stopped running things (or quickly returned after the initial fleeing), that his presence on the site after xmas was known in VRT... Was Defcon simply a new public face of leadership, being fed things from DPR2? This would explain why the mysterious DPR3 he called forward in his initial post-arrests topic never appeared, and why he could be tricked into explaining the hack in impossible terms. Perhaps some vendors even know the answer to this.

2. Can you confirm that Hux and DPR2 are both St Exo?

3. The Christmas psyop you (oracle) engaged in... was the whole thing scripted, as you later revealed that it was? Was the aim of the psyop to make it look like DPR2 had disappeared (when he hadn't), and then further, that DPR2 was not St. Exo (when he was)? If that's the case, was the very act of DPR2 supposedely not logging on for 24 hours part of that very same psyop? Was the initial loss of cold storage funds part of the psyop, or just a genuine technical difficulty that was later resolved?

4. What was Cirrus' role in this? Where is Cirrus now?

5. If DPR2 is still around, why did they have to rebuild the support system? The poor performance of the site since christmas has been attributed to staff not having all levels of access they need, no? Were all of these problems part of a long-term scamming plan, or genuine problems that may have contributed to DPR2's decision to cut and run?

6. Has anyone heard from DPR2 since this happened?

[sticksNshit]

This is all a line of crap people.

Do not use SR anymore, you will be scammed.

This is ALL one in the same person using different characters to throw off the scent.

Everything about bitcoin uses a pseudonymous approach.

IF YOU USE THE NEW SR YOU WILL GET SCAMMED.

All of a sudden oracle has left and Defcon has returned?

Do your homework people, this place stinks, AGAIN.

[oracle]

Im here. Im most certainly not Defcon.

[r0guebubbles]

Disinformation is just as powerful as information, so who is who, who did what. You lost me. I can't even follow anymore. More like bold and the beautiful where people get back from the dead, get replaced, have affairs, cheat and steal. I'll stick around for the fun of it in the mean time. Sure curious who is going to turn out to be right. But it will be like a hollywood movie with an open ending, you get to make one up for yourself. Oh well. Enough fun for today. Moving on. Good luck to all of you sherlocks.

[oracle]

No, I got it. I will be posting some information on who and where to find the person responsible.. then let nature take its course. Mods please do not remove.
Have to watch out for my own security as well.

[Hachim Mastour]

When are you posting oracle?

[oracle]

When are you posting oracle?

Hachim - everytime I give a rough estimate people start screaming and demanding.. so I'm hesitant to do that. I have to make sure my own security isn't exposed.

That said. Hey Stexo - how's the weather in Prague this time of year?

[BioGen]

ID FLY OVER AND HEADBUTT HIM!

SERIOUSLY PGP ME INFO IL FLY OVER AND DECK THE CUNT!

BG

[Therapy]

.....   SCREAMING & DEMANDING / SCREAMING & DEMANDING /SCREAMING & DEMANDING / .. ....

 

[SolutionsForVendors]

Don't you think guys that treating Stexo a.k.a. DPR 2.0 is irresponsible and can help in compromising site by LE ?
This recent events and threads on forum should be saved and will be good background for some criminal novel. It's very interesting.
Looking for theft season 1 episode 2: Oracle investigation
Looking for theft season 1 episode 3: Hiniguel investigation

[secretAngel]

More like bold and the beautiful where people get back from the dead, get replaced, have affairs, cheat and steal. I'll stick around for the fun ..... Good luck to all of you sherlocks.

the sr2 story here is so thrilling - that I will forget having my sex tonight ...

[robo-trippin]

sub'd

[oracle]

Anyone who knows anyone (that you trust and can vouche for) in the Czech Republic, specifically Prague, PM me ASAP.

I'm not letting this shit just "go away".


(mods do not delete, please)

[oracle]

Questions for oracle. I understand you may well not be able/willing to answer all of this, but if you can speak to any of it please do.

1. What is/was Defcon's role on the site? It's beginning to look like DPR2 never stopped running things (or quickly returned after the initial fleeing), that his presence on the site after xmas was known in VRT... Was Defcon simply a new public face of leadership, being fed things from DPR2? This would explain why the mysterious DPR3 he called forward in his initial post-arrests topic never appeared, and why he could be tricked into explaining the hack in impossible terms. Perhaps some vendors even know the answer to this.

2. Can you confirm that Hux and DPR2 are both St Exo?

3. The Christmas psyop you (oracle) engaged in... was the whole thing scripted, as you later revealed that it was? Was the aim of the psyop to make it look like DPR2 had disappeared (when he hadn't), and then further, that DPR2 was not St. Exo (when he was)? If that's the case, was the very act of DPR2 supposedely not logging on for 24 hours part of that very same psyop? Was the initial loss of cold storage funds part of the psyop, or just a genuine technical difficulty that was later resolved?

4. What was Cirrus' role in this? Where is Cirrus now?

5. If DPR2 is still around, why did they have to rebuild the support system? The poor performance of the site since christmas has been attributed to staff not having all levels of access they need, no? Were all of these problems part of a long-term scamming plan, or genuine problems that may have contributed to DPR2's decision to cut and run?

6. Has anyone heard from DPR2 since this happened?

Will try my best to address these, Ive got them all saved. I'm not ignoring, just frantically working on zeroing in on this POS.

[oracle]

Don't you think guys that treating Stexo a.k.a. DPR 2.0 is irresponsible and can help in compromising site by LE ?
This recent events and threads on forum should be saved and will be good background for some criminal novel. It's very interesting.
Looking for theft season 1 episode 2: Oracle investigation
Looking for theft season 1 episode 3: Hiniguel investigation

Essentially its a joint investigation at this point but Hiniguels got more resources then I do. Our sights are aligned. I have some historical info I'm currently scrubbing.

[lashesxo]

This stuff is almost as entertaining as my shows, Walking Dead and Pretty Little Liars 


...and you know it must be good then!

[dmtnexus]

Another crackhead.

[Venemous]

Don't you think guys that treating Stexo a.k.a. DPR 2.0 is irresponsible and can help in compromising site by LE ?
This recent events and threads on forum should be saved and will be good background for some criminal novel. It's very interesting.
Looking for theft season 1 episode 2: Oracle investigation
Looking for theft season 1 episode 3: Hiniguel investigation

Essentially its a joint investigation at this point but Hiniguels got more resources then I do. Our sights are aligned. I have some historical info I'm currently scrubbing.

A joint investigation? Didn't Hiniguel make a thread saying that you were the one responsible? I'd like some confirmation from him on this.

[NotASuspiciousName]

Don't you think guys that treating Stexo a.k.a. DPR 2.0 is irresponsible and can help in compromising site by LE ?
This recent events and threads on forum should be saved and will be good background for some criminal novel. It's very interesting.
Looking for theft season 1 episode 2: Oracle investigation
Looking for theft season 1 episode 3: Hiniguel investigation

Essentially its a joint investigation at this point but Hiniguels got more resources then I do. Our sights are aligned. I have some historical info I'm currently scrubbing.

A joint investigation? Didn't Hiniguel make a thread saying that you were the one responsible? I'd like some confirmation from him on this.

Yeah he did, I think it was a mistake though?

Best

NotSuspicious

[Venemous]

Don't you think guys that treating Stexo a.k.a. DPR 2.0 is irresponsible and can help in compromising site by LE ?
This recent events and threads on forum should be saved and will be good background for some criminal novel. It's very interesting.
Looking for theft season 1 episode 2: Oracle investigation
Looking for theft season 1 episode 3: Hiniguel investigation

Essentially its a joint investigation at this point but Hiniguels got more resources then I do. Our sights are aligned. I have some historical info I'm currently scrubbing.

A joint investigation? Didn't Hiniguel make a thread saying that you were the one responsible? I'd like some confirmation from him on this.

Yeah he did, I think it was a mistake though?

Best

NotSuspicious

Nevermind, went back to his thread and saw him retract the statement. Think they both have their eyes on StExo atm.

[WolfAluude]

Honestly this just sounds like people are pinning it on someone.

How many of these accounts are the same person? Just pick up a new account, practice 4 different types of grammar, and be on your way. Some of these guys you can tell are attempting to try certain sentence structure. One paragraph is completely structured different than another. Like they almost forget what account they were on.



Have a nice day. Only trust someone who's already dead... ayahuasca lets you cheat with this one.

[dmtnexus]

So there are some sane people on this forum after all.

[avid]

wondering how much longer I should let Oracle keep talking and hang himself before we move onto what really happen.

(mods do not delete, please)

c'mon mods, please don't delete the thread we pre-arrange as part of a disinformation campaign. please don't! /s

Unless a security expert comes in this thread and can say beyond a doubt that oracle is full of shit and what Defcon wrote IS possible, then I am inclined to believe him.

The hack happen. Those who claim that transaction malleability on its own cannot be used to steal coins are absolutely correct. But it could be (and was) exploited on Silk Road (and MtGox) because of the auto withdrawal feature and the way it incorrectly attempted to verify the transaction.

So why would oracle/dpr2/defcon/stexo need to run a disinformation campaign if the site really was the victim of hackers? That is because the hack exposed a secret that they are now attempting to cover back up again. You can figure out what that is by applying some simple logic, critical thinking and math.

[avid]

Questions for oracle. I understand you may well not be able/willing to answer all of this, but if you can speak to any of it please do.

1. What is/was Defcon's role on the site? It's beginning to look like DPR2 never stopped running things (or quickly returned after the initial fleeing), that his presence on the site after xmas was known in VRT... Was Defcon simply a new public face of leadership, being fed things from DPR2? This would explain why the mysterious DPR3 he called forward in his initial post-arrests topic never appeared, and why he could be tricked into explaining the hack in impossible terms. Perhaps some vendors even know the answer to this.

2. Can you confirm that Hux and DPR2 are both St Exo?

3. The Christmas psyop you (oracle) engaged in... was the whole thing scripted, as you later revealed that it was? Was the aim of the psyop to make it look like DPR2 had disappeared (when he hadn't), and then further, that DPR2 was not St. Exo (when he was)? If that's the case, was the very act of DPR2 supposedely not logging on for 24 hours part of that very same psyop? Was the initial loss of cold storage funds part of the psyop, or just a genuine technical difficulty that was later resolved?

4. What was Cirrus' role in this? Where is Cirrus now?

5. If DPR2 is still around, why did they have to rebuild the support system? The poor performance of the site since christmas has been attributed to staff not having all levels of access they need, no? Were all of these problems part of a long-term scamming plan, or genuine problems that may have contributed to DPR2's decision to cut and run?

6. Has anyone heard from DPR2 since this happened?

excellent pertinent questions that nobody here will answer honestly.

they'll want us to buy up the StExo-is-in-prague-or-london-or-wherever-with-our-money story line and then just move on and forget about all of it.

[flydolphinfly]

Your theory is compelling. Maybe I need help with the critical thinking though... Why expose the hack in the way they did (defon's humbled and furious), only to engage in this ridiculous theatre (if it's not real)?

Edit: looking through your posts I see you're saying that you KNOW it was a hack and basically who done it? g'wan then...

[YourHumbleServant]

Oracle I messaged you again, please respond.

[FoamFollower]

Don't you think guys that treating Stexo a.k.a. DPR 2.0 is irresponsible and can help in compromising site by LE ?
This recent events and threads on forum should be saved and will be good background for some criminal novel. It's very interesting.
Looking for theft season 1 episode 2: Oracle investigation
Looking for theft season 1 episode 3: Hiniguel investigation

Essentially its a joint investigation at this point but Hiniguels got more resources then I do. Our sights are aligned. I have some historical info I'm currently scrubbing.

A joint investigation? Didn't Hiniguel make a thread saying that you were the one responsible? I'd like some confirmation from him on this.

I think that was after he said it was Dr. Clu and before he said it was StExo.

Seriously, you can't make this shit up. Oh wait, never mind. I guess you can.

[avid]

Why expose the hack in the way they did (defon's humbled and furious), only to engage in this ridiculous theatre (if it's not real)?

because they thought everybody would buy into that first version of the hack story (blaming it on bitcoin).

read through the post history, you'll see they are making it up as they go along based on what the public reaction is - it was only 2 days ago that they completely ruled out that anybody internal was involved.

its a lot easier to say 'stexo ran off with everything, damn what a bastard - go get him!' rather than explain the complete mess of what really happen, why nobody was watching the site for over a month, and why some of the figures don't add up (amongst other things).

[flydolphinfly]

do you think all the mods are in on this?

your theory makes sense, but it's not what it looks like to me. but you've suggested you know something of the actual hackers... but you're playing another waiting game, admittadely a lot more subtle...

oh silk road forums

[avid]

nah forum mods are completely separate

[WhiteAce]

When are you posting oracle?

Hachim - everytime I give a rough estimate people start screaming and demanding.. so I'm hesitant to do that. I have to make sure my own security isn't exposed.

That said. Hey Stexo - how's the weather in Prague this time of year?

hes in prague?? I know some people over there .. give us more info

[oracle]

[HonoluluExpress]

Oh dear.

[dingwall_3]

[nubdii]

Oh dear.

Oh dear, indeed.

[dingwall_3]

well thats good news oracle   well done matey

[twonenathandjoe]

I really hope that this person is indeed the culprit! If not... :X

[Carrot Cake]

Oh dear.

Oh dear, indeed.

oh no...

[nubdii]

Czech was one of the languages that DPR required a translator for, as per his bounty sub-forum.

[avid]

A VERY reliable source has confirmed to me unequivocally that {REMOVED} has been bragging that he hit Bitstamp, SR, and Gox with DDoS, flooded them with mutated transactions, and even made a fortune. TL;DR -{NATIONALITY} former contractor used the transaction malleability media hoopla (WHICH CAN NOT BE USED TO STEAL COINS) as a cloak to break in and steal. His initial development work probably worked as an advantage, or he kept a clone of the security methods, I don’t know

The crux of your 'evidence' is that someone told you that this guy is bragging about hitting Bitstamp, SR and Gox with DDoS and flooding them with mutated transactions, making a fortune. And he made a fortune from these DDoS attacks, but also used them as cover to break into Silk Road and steal coin directly?

This doesn't make sense for a number of reasons, which i'll outline below.

First i'll say that your doxing is completely irresponsible.

Now, where to begin.

There is no record of a DDoS against either Bitstamp, SR or Gox. Not in the last week, not in the last month. You might be confusing this with the DOS attack the Bitcoin blockchain suffered last week, which was a flood of mutated transactions.

Here is a post from the Bitcoin Foundation explaining that DOS attack:

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=422

What somebody was doing was listening on the blockchain for new transactions, cloning them and altering (mutating) the transaction ID and then sending it out into the Bitcoin network. This meant that every transaction had two copies - the original and another that was mutated, having been sent by the person carrying out the DOS. This wasn't used to steal coins, it was used to simply attempt to stop some Bitcoin transactions from confirming - which makes it difficult to check balances (which is why Bitstamp shut down).

Nobody 'made a fortune' from that attack, and the 'media hoopla' over this issue wouldn't provide much of a cover for breaking into the Silk Road server

Further, your claim that he simply entered the Silk Road server via some form of magical backdoor (the details here aren't clear) does not match the evidence. We know that the malleability issue combined with the way Silk Road implemented withdrawal and transaction checking is what caused the coins to be stolen. This is why the hackers registered multiple vendor accounts, and why it took over a month to carry out the attack - because each withdrawal has to be for an amount of funds that exists in the account and the attack only works 50% of the time (and when it fails the attacker has to re-deposit the coins back into the vendor account he is using to carry out the attack).

Even if the technical details that you describe *were* plausible (they are not) you have to account for hackers having a bad habit of bragging and taking credit for attacks they didn't do.

You have totally missed the mark here - not only is your evidence weak and extremely circumstantial, it technically makes no sense and you offer zero explanation for how the site was actually breached and further it doesn't match up with what we know about how the Silk Road attack was carried out.

edit: I removed his dox. I assume oracle's post will be removed - but i've removed the details from my post so that it won't be deleted.

[mdmazing]

This just keeps getting better and better.

It would be nice though if there was actual screenshots and/or evidence to support the claims. Although, for some reason, I seem to trust Oracle and Hinguels' word. I guess we should stay tooned folks'.

[oracle]

and if it was by that chek fella   why on earth would DEFCON balme this usernames  ?

## Usernames used:
narco93
ketama
riccola
germancoke
napolicoke
smokinglife

can you answare that oracle  ?

it needs to make sense why DEFCON blamed them  if it wasnt them


dont say coz they/he is a scammer DEFCON felt justified knowing it was a chek,

because that would be like sending someone to the chair for car theft..........

I can't speak for Defcon and out of respect I won't. And to be honest I am absolutely not privy to anything him or his staff sees/talks about. Those usernames may very well be correct and have been used. I do know Defcon not to be a liar. But I know what I know, I know some history others don't, I've said my piece and that's as much as I know.

[loveformaryjane]

subbed

[Carrot Cake]

Defcon also pleaded no DOXing

[dingwall_3]

only DEFCON can answer this then...

[oracle]

Defcon also pleaded no DOXing

Then it's his call to remove it and I will respect that. I've done what I think is the right thing to do, and I would not be so utterly reckless to not be 110% sure before posting, Im well aware of the potential ramifications. It's not my job to get the money back and nor would I know how to, but I owed the community what I know. If thats a bad thing then hate me for it. You're damned if you're vagued, and damned if you're detailed. I'm reaching the point where I might leave this community to its own devices and not bother if my efforts are felt to be counter productive.

[Carrot Cake]

Many people including myself appreciate your posts oracle. I personally didnt agree with the public Doxing that is all, you do what you feel like you need to do.

[avid]

Then it's his call to remove it and I will respect that.

At least you have toned down your "I WILL BE REPOSTING THIS EVERY HOUR" rhetoric. Hopefully it is because you came to your senses and realized just how stupid your actions were. What you posted wasn't "evidence", it was all hearsay, didn't make technical sense and matched none of the known facts.

It is completely fucked up that not only would you dox somebody, but that you would do so based on almost nothing - and somebody innocent, no less.

[giancarlo]

pretty modest one bedroom apartment this alleged thief lives/lived in.  probably looking to upgrade with all that coin.

[dingwall_3]

his last post got deleted and so did my quote of it

[oracle]

Then it's his call to remove it and I will respect that.

At least you have toned down your "I WILL BE REPOSTING THIS EVERY HOUR" rhetoric. Hopefully it is because you came to your senses and realized just how stupid your actions were. What you posted wasn't "evidence", it was all hearsay, didn't make technical sense and matched none of the known facts.

It is completely fucked up that not only would you dox somebody, but that you would do so based on almost nothing - and somebody innocent, no less.

I respectfully disagree. Had I not posted it, people would have slammed me with PMs asking for his info (which is happening now). And to be honest, if you read Def's post, he does refer to some things that validate a lot of my information. There was a contract dev early on who was familiar with the inner workings of other exchanges and knew that mutated tx ID's was a problem.

Adittionally, I can't just cant expose my own opsec, but I trust my sources, and quite frankly in the past I have never been wrong. I was privy to a lot of things that predate the current situation. It's not based on "nothing". It's based on "several things" that I just can not get into. On one hand you're against doxxing, on the other hand you want to know more. I feel your intentions are right, but I did quite some reflection even after I sat on this information for a couple days waiting multiple verifcation sources. I've kept a few others here in the loop.

As for potentially innocence, in my book the facts add up very clearly. And lots not forget the elephant in the room.. the Sheep heist originated from the Czech Republic too. I can't prove (or even know) that these people all know each other, but I did just receive some information that that entire area and the hackers/black hats/whatever the fuck are all known to each other.

I appreciate your concern, and maybe you didn't lose any money in this heist, but lots of people did and I'm 99.999% sure on this one. I did what I think is the right thing to do. Hopefully "Pritel" will do the smart thing at this point and reach out to SR administraion and ask for a btc address, and maybe magically the funds return.

[oracle]

Many people including myself appreciate your posts oracle. I personally didnt agree with the public Doxing that is all, you do what you feel like you need to do.

Thanks - I made a judgement call. If the info gets removed as per the rules I respect that, enough people would have seen it to have it saved and more importantly word will get back to the thief that the noose has just tightened.

[WolfAluude]

So, either a pro opsec person is going to die because he fucked up.

Or an innocent person is going to be killed for stealing 4 million in bitcoins.

[oracle]

So, either a pro opsec person is going to die because he fucked up.

Or an innocent person is going to be killed for stealing 4 million in bitcoins.

No, hopefully he returns what is not his.

[samxoff]

So, either a pro opsec person is going to die because he fucked up.

Or an innocent person is going to be killed for stealing 4 million in bitcoins.

No, hopefully he returns what is not his.

Oracle, your first post of this thread was deleted. It just shows blank for me. I saw another thread with the information you provided posted and had a peep. To look now and see that Defcon makes a statement saying the market will be up tomorrow and transactions will be open same day makes me seem to believe he is covering something up. I don't trust this dude anymore. He just seems like a figurehead splattering out nonsense to make people think that everything is a ok. Fucking horseshit.

[loveformaryjane]

i too appriciate the work, money, and time you've put in to this <3

To the people who are saying he shouldn't of doxxed him, you have to know that he wouldn't doxx someone unless he was completely sure. There HAD TO BE EVIDENCE to pointed oracle to this person. He didn't just guess this dudes name and decide "oh ya, im gonna fuck thaaatt nigggahhh"

People dont forget... Oracle has proven himself.

SUPPORT and <3 oracle

[giancarlo]

So, either a pro opsec person is going to die because he fucked up.

Or an innocent person is going to be killed for stealing 4 million in bitcoins.

No, hopefully he returns what is not his.

Oracle, your first post of this thread was deleted. It just shows blank for me. I saw another thread with the information you provided posted and had a peep. To look now and see that Defcon makes a statement saying the market will be up tomorrow and transactions will be open same day makes me seem to believe he is covering something up. I don't trust this dude anymore. He just seems like a figurehead splattering out nonsense to make people think that everything is a ok. Fucking horseshit.

I could be wrong but I was rather certain that Defcon posted that update BEFORE oracle updated his OP.  Anyways, screenshots are spreading like AIDS in the 80s

[oracle]

i too appriciate the work, money, and time you've put in to this <3

To the people who are saying he shouldn't of doxxed him, you have to know that he wouldn't doxx someone unless he was completely sure. There HAD TO BE EVIDENCE to pointed oracle to this person. He didn't just guess this dudes name and decide "oh ya, im gonna fuck thaaatt nigggahhh"

People dont forget... Oracle has proven himself.

SUPPORT and <3 oracle

thanks

[dingwall_3]

So, either a pro opsec person is going to die because he fucked up.

Or an innocent person is going to be killed for stealing 4 million in bitcoins.

No, hopefully he returns what is not his.

Oracle, your first post of this thread was deleted. It just shows blank for me. I saw another thread with the information you provided posted and had a peep. To look now and see that Defcon makes a statement saying the market will be up tomorrow and transactions will be open same day makes me seem to believe he is covering something up. I don't trust this dude anymore. He just seems like a figurehead splattering out nonsense to make people think that everything is a ok. Fucking horseshit.

something else thats odd
the thread doctorclu made "humbled and furious"  the copy of DEFCONS original statement that was deleted (by mistake)


iv been quoting of the copy doctorclu made...
but now the topic is still there,but if you click on page 1      the copy of DEFCONS speech has been deleted


why did doctorclu delete the copy of DEFCONS first statement  ?
this is suspicious since i was quoting from it  ..   maybe the original statement was not true  ?

[oracle]

So, either a pro opsec person is going to die because he fucked up.

Or an innocent person is going to be killed for stealing 4 million in bitcoins.

No, hopefully he returns what is not his.

Oracle, your first post of this thread was deleted. It just shows blank for me. I saw another thread with the information you provided posted and had a peep. To look now and see that Defcon makes a statement saying the market will be up tomorrow and transactions will be open same day makes me seem to believe he is covering something up. I don't trust this dude anymore. He just seems like a figurehead splattering out nonsense to make people think that everything is a ok. Fucking horseshit.

I could be wrong but I was rather certain that Defcon posted that update BEFORE oracle updated his OP.  Anyways, screenshots are spreading like AIDS in the 80s

yeah, I haven't seen Def's most recent post. in any case, he's not involved in this shit. there is no way, because I know the history going back while SR2 was being setup. I wouldn't even hold Libby responsible.. someone with the right developement experience had to get the original skeleton site up and running. and you can't exactly do background and reference checks with people on the deep web.

anyways, I've really put out as much as I know. if the doxx info has been editted out, so be it, im sure people grabbed it in time.

[samxoff]

So, either a pro opsec person is going to die because he fucked up.

Or an innocent person is going to be killed for stealing 4 million in bitcoins.

No, hopefully he returns what is not his.

Oracle, your first post of this thread was deleted. It just shows blank for me. I saw another thread with the information you provided posted and had a peep. To look now and see that Defcon makes a statement saying the market will be up tomorrow and transactions will be open same day makes me seem to believe he is covering something up. I don't trust this dude anymore. He just seems like a figurehead splattering out nonsense to make people think that everything is a ok. Fucking horseshit.

I could be wrong but I was rather certain that Defcon posted that update BEFORE oracle updated his OP.  Anyways, screenshots are spreading like AIDS in the 80s

I stepped away for about an hour came back I saw oracles post updated and then later saw Defcon's post. I could have sworn Defcon posted just after oracle updated his thread but I could be wrong. Regardless, I am very curious to see what Hiniguel says because Defcon basically called him out. If my perception of Hiniguel is correct he will reply with some pretty interesting shit.

[FredandFlintstone]

Oracle, why wouldn't you at least share your findings with staff before blurting them out in the open (or did you)?

Surely the staff would have more resources than you and Hiniguel combined, and you could've at least gotten their opinion, no?

[samxoff]

So, either a pro opsec person is going to die because he fucked up.

Or an innocent person is going to be killed for stealing 4 million in bitcoins.

No, hopefully he returns what is not his.

Oracle, your first post of this thread was deleted. It just shows blank for me. I saw another thread with the information you provided posted and had a peep. To look now and see that Defcon makes a statement saying the market will be up tomorrow and transactions will be open same day makes me seem to believe he is covering something up. I don't trust this dude anymore. He just seems like a figurehead splattering out nonsense to make people think that everything is a ok. Fucking horseshit.

I could be wrong but I was rather certain that Defcon posted that update BEFORE oracle updated his OP.  Anyways, screenshots are spreading like AIDS in the 80s

yeah, I haven't seen Def's most recent post. in any case, he's not involved in this shit. there is no way, because I know the history going back while SR2 was being setup. I wouldn't even hold Libby responsible.. someone with the right developement experience had to get the original skeleton site up and running. and you can't exactly do background and reference checks with people on the deep web.

anyways, I've really put out as much as I know. if the doxx info has been editted out, so be it, im sure people grabbed it in time.

No no; I was saying that Defcon seems to be lying through his teeth now. I am not saying that Defcon scammed everybody I am just stating that Defcon is covering something up and has something to hide. Now I am basing this off of what Hiniguel said stating how Stexo could very well be involved and you seem to believe that as well so if both of you guys are pretty much on the same page and for Defcon to just come out and say hey Hiniguel you are a fucking schmuck is pretty radical.

[avid]

tl;dr oracle is full of shit

[BHOKing420]

lol this is ridiculous

[Carrot Cake]

I shouldn't do this, but i'll back part of my position as to why I am so certain you are wrong.

I know a number of the hackers. I received emails during the hack. We run in the same circles. I know when the hack started, how it was carried out, where the hackers got stuck, how they got unstuck, who helped them, the vendor accounts Defcon missed in his email, which vendors they emailed, which vendors might have accepted their proposal and joined the hack, and a lot of other things.

I was going to hold a lot of this in for longer (and the details I will be) but since you just went and doxed a completely innocent person I am now forced to reveal more details to show that you are way off the mark.

If you do know the hackers responsible, i hope you have passed on the info to SR staff.

[loveformaryjane]

quote from avid thats blows my god damn mind (i changed the real quote out bc of his request)

why the fuck would you hold back in the first place ass hole?? You pull this bullshit out now are you fucking serious?

You run in the same circles? Fuck that man, you could of helped end this bullshit and save a ton of people's money

[oracle]

I shouldn't do this, but i'll back part of my position as to why I am so certain you are wrong.

I know a number of the hackers. I received emails during the hack. We run in the same circles. I know when the hack started, how it was carried out, where the hackers got stuck, how they got unstuck, who helped them, the vendor accounts Defcon missed in his email, which vendors they emailed, which vendors might have accepted their proposal and joined the hack, and a lot of other things.

I was going to hold a lot of this in for longer (and the details I will be) but since you just went and doxed a completely innocent person I am now forced to reveal more details to show that you are way off the mark.

well then , if it can help the community and possibly retrieve funds.. then prey tell. since u were receiving real time hacker updates through email during the attack, i urge you to contact staff with ur finding.

you seem to know a lot. i've never heard of you, but hey.. if it helps, by all means

[loveformaryjane]

why the fuck would you hold back in the first place ass hole?? You pull this bullshit out now are you fucking serious?

because I need more info. this is likely all blown now.

You run in the same circles? Fuck that man, you could of helped end this bullshit and save a ton of people's money

wrong, I couldn't have ended it. I only realized after the hack the significance of certain emails and messages.

And i'm sure SR staff could get that info better than yourself....... Or you could of helped them to figure out who was doing this while it was going on. You were the key to figuring out so much.

After the fact you realized the significance of certain emails and messages? Seems a bit of a fucky explanation, someone messages you.. "oh hey bro, how the fuck do you get past this code," you message back, "this is how you do it my friend hacker fuck wad"  ............... come on man.............

Rawrg. I still think you are very interesting and a smart individual (way smarter than me <3) just seems so fuckyyyyyyy

with love <3 avid, not trying to be a dick

[Dr.MDA]

damn what did I miss the op was deleted

[BHOKing420]

i've deleted my messages not to bring attention to this - it was stupid to say anything for the sake of just showing that oracle was dangerously wrong.

unlike oracle and hinguel im not interested in publicity whoring for my own benefit and playing this out in public threads, so if you have any interest in actually helping out here delete where i am quoted above please.

lol whut?  everyone here sounds like they are full of shit.  Self serving sociopath drug addicts all over the place


stop spamming this shit on forums.. if you know whos involved stop posting here and looking for attention like 6 year old girls..   give the information to someone that can do something with it...

there is no point in these 'I know something you don't know' threads besides trying to gather attention and really it just makes anyones point or lack there of look like complete bull shit

[Carrot Cake]

And i'm sure SR staff could get that info better than yourself....... Or you could of helped them to figure out who was doing this while it was going on. You were the key to figuring out so much.

After the fact you realized the significance of certain emails and messages? Seems a bit of a fucky explanation, someone messages you.. "oh hey bro, how the fuck do you get past this code," you message back, "this is how you do it my friend hacker fuck wad"  ............... come on man.............

Rawrg. I still think you are very interesting and a smart individual (way smarter than me <3) just seems so fuckyyyyyyy

with love <3 avid, not trying to be a dick

lol

[loveformaryjane]

And i'm sure SR staff could get that info better than yourself....... Or you could of helped them to figure out who was doing this while it was going on. You were the key to figuring out so much.

After the fact you realized the significance of certain emails and messages? Seems a bit of a fucky explanation, someone messages you.. "oh hey bro, how the fuck do you get past this code," you message back, "this is how you do it my friend hacker fuck wad"  ............... come on man.............

Rawrg. I still think you are very interesting and a smart individual (way smarter than me <3) just seems so fuckyyyyyyy

with love <3 avid, not trying to be a dick

lol

 

[dimon114]

so where are these screenshots that everyone took?

or better off what happened? lol i don't get it.. narco got doxxed? or who? now what?

[JustMe]

Doesn't sound to believable, there isn't any proof really just on how he got the proof but no actual proof.

Now someone is at risk of being harmed or arrested, sick .

Take it with a grain of salt

[Hiniguel]

Funny how your posts gone now, Oracle...

Can't see your PM to me either.


Convience.

[YourHumbleServant]

Funny how your posts gone now, Oracle...

Can't see your PM to me either.


Convience.

Can someone explain any idea of what the fuck is going on. Why am I being told that the person outed has some sort of access to the forums and is activly blocking information. Has anyone heard from defcon? Is this all bullshit or is this something serious?

[HonoluluExpress]

Funny how your posts gone now, Oracle...

Can't see your PM to me either.


Convience.

Can someone explain any idea of what the fuck is going on. Why am I being told that the person outed has some sort of access to the forums and is activly blocking information. Has anyone heard from defcon? Is this all bullshit or is this something serious?

Oracle released someones DOX and claimed that they were the one's responsible. The post has now been removed but it's still public information as it has been recorded. Not sure what the point in removing it is other than it's breaking the SR rules.

What are you asking is bullshit exactly?

[Hachim Mastour]

Wow, holy shit, what have I missed, reading in to this now

[p0l0]

Time to switch to "The Hub" no ?

[HonoluluExpress]

Time to switch to "The Hub" no ?

The Hub will probably be where SR re groups if the forums ever get shut down.

[flydolphinfly]

I have no idea what to believe, but thought I'd point something out, a hole in the theory perhaps...

If Defcon knew St. Exo/DPR2/whoever was attempting to steal the coins, then why did he take the site down, then shortly after put the site back up, only to take it down again saying "more serious than we thought".

This post was later deleted without explanation (NOT the humbled and furious post - the one before that!)... Didn't think anything of it at the time, but this sort of plays into avid's theory that this whole st. exo thing is a ruse. Not that I think it is, but fuck knows.

[flydolphinfly]

nah forum mods are completely separate

Quite the psyop to carry out on your own staff...

Currently both explanations (yours, and oracles/hinguels) strike me as pretty amazing/bizarre.

Edit: Having seen Defcon's latest statement, I'm no less confused. If the staff aren't in on it (hinguel/oracle theory), and Defcon isn't in on it... Then fine, oracle/hinguel are just wrong according to you. Kind of crazy that Defcon is apparently incapable of convincing his own staff that it wasn't an inside job.

[Reagan]

tl;dr oracle is full of shit

But tell me whyusheep?

[Venemous]

Doxxing someone is not going to fix anything. The coins are gone guys, take this as a chance to learn and move on.

[Dr Robotnik]

What Oracle did was fucking disgusting, if the details posted really were the hacker then they are long gone by now and a chance to reclaim the money is gone.

If not then an innocent life has been put at risk.

Regardless of the facts what if someone ends up getting killed?

Sllk road is fucked, we'd be all over the news, previous sympathises would turn against us.

Oracle - what a absolute cunt 

[FrenchFries]

The nerve of that guy. Fucking oracle. YOU DON'T FUCKING DOX PEOPLE.

WHAT THE HELL?

And to post it so publicly.... Goddammit. If you have their dox, what do you do? "HURRR GONNA POST IT PUBLICLY."

Fucking ingrate. VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER, YOU CUNT.

[VanillaRoyale]

 My prayers out to the DOXX'd.  DO NOT TREAT THIS DOXX SERIOUSLY.    I would NOT trust any kind of information that is just thrown out like that without backed by any solid evidence.  You know how many psychopaths roam around you?     Then there is this magical bug seems to be magically censorcoring critical information.  Is this another crowd control move?    At first my thoughts were to wait for the site to just come up so that I can get back to work but there have been tooo many conveniently odd happenings.