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*Important Anouncement* op updated
« on: December 23, 2013, 09:52:21 pm »
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Alright, I’m going to try to shed a little light on some things that should hopefully give you all a collective sigh of relief, put to rest some theories, and reveal my intentions.
While doing so, I have to walk a fine line between personal OPSEC, maintaining the anonymity & privacy of others, and sticking to a commitment to respect that “behind the scenes shit” that sometimes has to be done.

It’s been about four days since the unfortunate arrests of Libertas, Inigo and SSBD.
It’s been about two/three days since DPR2 has been heard from.
It’s been almost three months since SR1 was shutdown and DPR1 was arrested
It’s been about two and a half months since the new SR “setup” came into being.

I first publicly popped into the picture when these forums first went up, but my association goes back to way before that. I can’t get into details, but I’ve never been a mod/admin/developer/vendor/buyer on either SR1 or SR2, but I have been privy to quite a bit of the inner workings of both. I’ve seen a lot of cool shit happen, a lot of sad shit happen, and I’ve always had the community’s interests at heart. I have 0 financial stake in SR1 or SR2, but I do think Silk Road is perhaps one of the coolest fucking concepts of our life time.

That being said, it’s time for a factual trip down memory lane folks.

Some of you are too young to remember (did I really just say that?!), but many moons ago on the original forum, DPR1 had posted a Job Hire looking for experienced developers/coders. People made some noise and bitched about how that would compromise the site’s security. But DPR1 had made a solid guarantee that anyone contracted to work on the site in a developer capacity would be in somewhat of an isolated environment, and they’d never ever have access to anything critical. And that’s exactly true. He did contract some work out, to two (I think) devs, and had them help him with the code. He never asked for their doxx (as he required from Administrators such as Libertas or Inigo) because they were never in any position to damage the site or do anything malicious. They weren’t able to push anything live, and were essentially just hired hands. DPR1 (Ross) controlled the actual live implementation. Libertas, SSBD, and Inigo WERE required to provide their doxx details to him as per his rules. Why they did that.. is a question they will probably be asking themselves a long fucking time. Cirrus and some of the other mods that came and went never provided any doxx information, as they were only forum moderators and had no power over the actual live, ecommerce valhalla known as Silk Road.

StExo was a prominent poster/member of the SR1 forum community (if you’re reading this Stex, drop a line sometime.. and share some of those gazillions in the Christmas spirit!) who was very, very well versed in security methods. He always provided some pretty solid security related guidance on the forums and privately. He’s pretty famous on the clearnet as well as “money launderer to the elite” or something.

Fast forward to Ocotober 2 2013 -
Ross Ulbricht is busted, SR1 is seized and panic ensues. That day sucked ass! It’s pointless dwelling on the facts surrounding that, but I think it’s obvious now that Ross made some serious fuckups, and he cooked his own goose. Nevertheless, it’s sad how fate played out for him.

After the chaos that ensued that day, there was some behind the scene actions that brought about SR2 and SR2 forums:
A couple of the contracted devs, some of the admins/mods, security gurus like StExo and Astor, and a few other close stakeholders/associates had some back&forth on how to move forward (if at all) and who’d have what role. Initially the general consensus was that Libertas should be “DPR2”, yet Libertas himself and a few others dissented that this would be a bad move as Ross had Libertas’s doxx and nobody knew if his laptop was encrypted or if he stored the doxx or wrote them down. (Obviously at this point everyone assumed Ross wouldn’t talk/plea.. and even in his initial court appearance he “disavowed all aliases”) But the fear was LE forensics would somehow decrypt or locate the doxx he kept on his administrators. The next contender up was StExo. StExo never “laundered SR’s money” as someone wrote on the forums. StExo once referred a Canadian money launderer to either DPR1 or the admins, and it’s likely DPR1 (Ross) had that person’s doxx, but Ross never got around to laundering anything(all the BTC was seized from his laptop), and StExo mentioned the last he heard from the Canadian was right after SR1 went down.. and then he just went off the grid. Stexo was a security genius though, so that option was also kicked around for being the new DPR. StExo declined because he said he didn’t need the money as he had made a fuckton of dough over the past few decades and didn’t really have the time because he was semi retired and wasn’t interested in meeting the same fate DPR1 did. The next contender was a prominent member of the SR1 community who was tech savvy and super into the whole libeteraian/freemarket/Silk Road forever school of thought. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. DPR2 was born, and agreed upon by all the members of this “high council” (pun intended LOL). Stexo and Astor vouched for his security/OPSEC bona fides, Libertas and company vouched that he had no record of buying/vending, and the nerds vouched that he’d be capable of administering a site.

The next steps were how to get things up and running, and what to do in the event of another catastrophe

1)The coders went to work to build SR2, which took forever and was buggy as hell because they really did not have access to a majority of the database or code that Ross did. This is why it took SR2 so long to get up to speed and bug free
2) A plan was put in place to have a few “Sleepers” in the crowd. This was a contingency plan in the event of DPR2 or SR2’s capture/seizure. The key element was to be a “sleeper”, it had to be someone that Ross/DPR1 never had any doxx on. The job of the sleeper mods were to integrate themselves into the community, maintain a good reputation and gain respect/trust, never buy/vend, and only “be activated” if shit hit the fan. The “sleeper admins” job was to run the servers. They’d regroup and immediately either re-construct SR, the forums or both.
3) A plan was put into play to spread disinformation on the forums for LE/haters/trolls/competition and other nay-sayers. Psy-ops.

Fast forward to now:

Because of (what we assume) is Ross’s cooperation (as mentioned in several news articles) and his attorneys strategy to resolve the case ASAP, Libertas/Inigo/SSBD were all nailed. Again another sad day. DPR2, for reasons I don’t think anyone can blame him, decided he would have to vanish, and the system that was in place will take over. This is something I don’t think anybody should hold against the guy. If you see over half your staff get busted in a coordinated worldwide swoop, you are not going to sit calm. You’re going to clean house and get the fuck out of Dodge.

This week you’ve seen a few “sleepers” get promoted as moderators. You’ve seen a sleeper admin take over entire control of the forums and site. This can’t be stressed enough, the sleepers (mods and admin(s)) have absolutely 0 connection to Ross Ulbricht. None. He had no information/doxx on them, and they’re absolutely removed from his reach. This team was formed while he was sitting behind bars. Unfortunately, the last remaining vestige of Ross (or his laptops) potential damage were Lib/Inigo/SSBD.
Cirrus and ChemCat have always been mods and therefore never had to hand over their doxx to anyone. Even DPR2 had no connection to Ross, and Ross would be unable to identify him as he was chosen later. DPR2 is smart however, and it’s very likely he’s halfway around the world by now. However, the first few days, everyone involved, had a responsibility to

A)Gauge the damage done by the recent wave of arrests
B)Make sure the “sleepers” and backup mechanism were activated properly and with precision
C)Play a round of psy-ops to protect DPR2 while he had enough time to wipe his slate clean

If you look at my old posting history, back to October, I always projected an image of “distrustful yet grudgingly accepting insider”. Close enough to people to know “where the skeletons are buried”, yet be (a bit TOO) vocal about SR2/DPR2’s decisions. Insider dissent. Perhaps LE would try to flip me? Perhaps I’d let something slip out of anger/spite to burn SR down to the ground? Or perhaps I was tasked to cultivate a certain image/trust/credibility and only show up when the need to gauge the response of any big change occurred.

When DPR2 vanished, I made a post that I will be shedding some light on the events. Behind the scenes, conversations were taking place on how best to buy some time for him to wipe his slate clean and also see just how deep the Libertas damage was.
When it became apparent that the arrests were ONLY legacy arrests based on SR1 roles/activities, I decided to have some fun with the pys-ops portion of it. Notice how no moderator, nor Cirrus, not Chemcat, and not Defcon stopped me from any of my ranting and raving. Nothing I said got deleted. Nothing I wrote was confirmed or denied.

The decision to drop subtle and not so subtle hints that DPR2 is Astor, DPR2 is Stexo, DPR2 is Scout, to check your PIN# on the site to make sure BTC was still there was done to mind-fuck those who wish to see SR shut down and break the spirit of this community. I knew Stex or Astor or Scout etc wouldn’t mind because these guys were fucking good with security, they’ve been out of the loop/scene for several months, and they all rarely login here. Painting Defcon as DPR2 was icing on the cake.. since he’s clearly not, as he’s been around since mid November.. and DPR2 or anyone would have had no idea that a “new Admin” would be needed to pull off some fuckery since nobody could have anticipated Libertas/Inigo/SSBD’s capture.

Now that a few days have elapsed, it was time to tell the community to relax, take a deep breathe, and everything is under control. The “sleepers” (sounds like the Walking Dead) have taken full control of the forums and site (no palace coups, no fake-your-own-vanishing acts, no Sheep Market scams), DPR2 is long gone and hopefully safe and sound (or we’d have heard about it by now), and site is closed as was scheduled for Christmas weeks ago.. and will re-open as scheduled. Nothing skipped a beat.

The good news:
SR2 site/forums is fully under control of the admins/mods
The site works fine, and is only scheduled to be down for Christmas
Nothing and nobody else is in danger as everything that went down was remnants from the original SR1 shutdown/arrests
DPR2 by now is probably completely safe and won’t be in a cage for daring to stand up to a failed War on Drugs and it’s oppressive minions

The bad news:
We’ve lost Libertas/Inigo/SSBD
The community had to sit in confusion as to what was going on and who was in charge and be subject to wild psy-ops (sorry.. but necessary evil!)

The best news:
1)SR will be back after Christmas as regularly scheduled
2)We’re gonna fucking win this thing

I know this is a lot to soak in, but hopefully explains my cryptic “announcements” and other various confusing elements as to who’s in charge, is the site safe, etc etc

Theres a lot of stuff that had to be redacted from this essay as per OPSEC and SR’s policy, but know that everyone involved either overtly or covertly has nothing but the community’s interests at heart and love this place.

Ohyeah, Merry Christmas!

*PS - No questions about my role. Can’t answer. I can say I’m not an “employee” or an undercover mod/admin. I’m just a friend with benefits. Ok.. seriously. Think of Harvey Keitel’s role in “Pulp Fiction”. Cool fucking guy, aint he?

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Re: *Important Anouncement to Come Within 12 Hours*
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2013, 09:54:14 pm »
I appreciate it. Regardless of the blind trust lots of us had, there is something real that we are all holding on to. This is why we we are still here. this is why we need to know.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2013, 09:55:38 pm »
Appreciated, if true.

Where will you be making these announcements comrade?

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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2013, 09:57:07 pm »
DrAdam - Understood, and that's why I will be shedding some light that should hopefully restore everyone's faith. Have never let this community down before, will never in the future.

Supersaurus - here.
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Re: *Important Anouncement to Come Within 12 Hours*
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2013, 09:58:47 pm »
Anxiously waiting O!

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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2013, 09:59:06 pm »
Sub'in...

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2013, 10:00:03 pm »
As long as there is proof that this is real...
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Re: *Important Anouncement to Come Within 12 Hours*
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2013, 10:04:28 pm »
I'll be making a few important revelations/announcements within 12 hours or so.

It's been a tough few days, and you all want some answers. Answers you will get.


Oracle

any reason for the 12 hour wait, mate?
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2013, 10:06:34 pm »
I'll be making a few important revelations/announcements within 12 hours or so.

It's been a tough few days, and you all want some answers. Answers you will get.


Oracle

any reason for the 12 hour wait, mate?

He is writing a book on it :D

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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2013, 10:08:03 pm »
Who the fuck are you Oracle? your not even staff so you cant provide us with anything
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2013, 10:08:14 pm »
Trust in oracle

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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2013, 10:10:30 pm »
DrAdam - Understood, and that's why I will be shedding some light that should hopefully restore everyone's faith. Have never let this community down before, will never in the future.

Supersaurus - here.

Thanks... I will avidly await these announcements. I am very curious to hear what you have to say, oracle. I don't know you from the old forum, but certainly you seem to instill a lot of confidence in the folks round here.

Look forward to hearing from you when you're ready to divulge

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2013, 10:15:27 pm »
I dont wanna see Harsh Orc
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2013, 10:15:47 pm »
seem lol
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2013, 10:16:08 pm »
Why not just say what you gotta say?   I don't understand this suspense building. 

Have your theories changed or something?

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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2013, 10:18:18 pm »
So can someone tell me who orcale is and why we can trust them?
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2013, 10:20:58 pm »
Idk who he is, I only listen to updates from staff not users
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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2013, 10:28:21 pm »
Thanks guys. I said within 12 hours because I have IRL engagements I have to tend to, as I'm a human being as well. Additionally, the wording has to be just right, because it involves ongoing legal issues RE: Ross, Inigo, Libertas, SSBD etc and have potential legal ramifications and consequences on others. Most importantly, there are eyes watching this forums every post, archiving every post, edit, and sneeze made here. Things have to be done with maturity.

Being cautious never hurt anyone. Being rushed.. yeah... not the best idea.
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2013, 10:34:58 pm »
Thanks guys. I said within 12 hours because I have IRL engagements I have to tend to, as I'm a human being as well. Additionally, the wording has to be just right, because it involves ongoing legal issues RE: Ross, Inigo, Libertas, SSBD etc and have potential legal ramifications and consequences on others. Most importantly, there are eyes watching this forums every post, archiving every post, edit, and sneeze made here. Things have to be done with maturity.

Being cautious never hurt anyone. Being rushed.. yeah... not the best idea.

good thinking

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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2013, 10:43:27 pm »
Thanks guys. I said within 12 hours because I have IRL engagements I have to tend to, as I'm a human being as well. Additionally, the wording has to be just right, because it involves ongoing legal issues RE: Ross, Inigo, Libertas, SSBD etc and have potential legal ramifications and consequences on others. Most importantly, there are eyes watching this forums every post, archiving every post, edit, and sneeze made here. Things have to be done with maturity.

Being cautious never hurt anyone. Being rushed.. yeah... not the best idea.

good thinking

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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2013, 10:44:54 pm »
lol who the hell is this guy

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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2013, 10:46:35 pm »
Thanks guys. I said within 12 hours because I have IRL engagements I have to tend to, as I'm a human being as well. Additionally, the wording has to be just right, because it involves ongoing legal issues RE: Ross, Inigo, Libertas, SSBD etc and have potential legal ramifications and consequences on others. Most importantly, there are eyes watching this forums every post, archiving every post, edit, and sneeze made here. Things have to be done with maturity.

Being cautious never hurt anyone. Being rushed.. yeah... not the best idea.

good thinking

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Even trusting yourself can be difficult sometimes.

yes, i wasn't thinking about myself, lol.
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2013, 10:47:14 pm »
WTF oracle
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2013, 10:49:16 pm »
fuck
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2013, 10:50:47 pm »
I actually don't give a fuck about who has run/is running this site.  As long as I protect myself, there's not much the admins can do - except steal my btc and I can survive that.

What I find odd  is that people who profess to support SR are the ones that are doxxing and generally providing information that we don't need to know but do  LE a favour by making their lives just that little bit easier as they gather intelligence.

Oracle, Why don't you just drop the FBI an email and be done with it?  Really, it would save time and would save us from having to put up with whatever FUD you're going to generate.


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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2013, 10:51:09 pm »
Going to back up oracle on this one. Haven't posted since all the shenanigans last weekend, but I have been watching SR2 from the very start and oracle warned everyone of repercussions from SR1 before the new market was even opened and has led me no reason to believe oracle is a troll. (Which I very did so in the beginning)
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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2013, 10:54:23 pm »
Mark my words, the oracle will tell you that there is no spoon.

Thing is, there is a spoon. And it's got H residue on it.
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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2013, 10:54:52 pm »
Looking forward to hearing this.  Hopefully this can lead to the start of a stronger market and the past can be left in the past.

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« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2013, 10:55:05 pm »
Going to back up oracle on this one. Haven't posted since all the shenanigans last weekend, but I have been watching SR2 from the very start and oracle warned everyone of repercussions from SR1 before the new market was even opened and has led me no reason to believe oracle is a troll. (Which I very did so in the beginning)

who cares about DPR?  DPR is no longer a single point of failure and is just a figurehead.  So what if he did a runner?  The site is still operating (or would be if it wasn't for the christmas shutdown) and the forums are still going.  Neither have been compromised and life goes on as usual.  Eventually the replacement will show up and everyone can rally around but it's not going to impact in the slightest on the operations of SR.

All that tying a forum account to DPR does is help LE.  I don't understand why anyone who professes to support SR would want to do that.

please explain it to me.

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« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2013, 11:03:10 pm »
Going to back up oracle on this one. Haven't posted since all the shenanigans last weekend, but I have been watching SR2 from the very start and oracle warned everyone of repercussions from SR1 before the new market was even opened and has led me no reason to believe oracle is a troll. (Which I very did so in the beginning)

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« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2013, 11:06:32 pm »
Also waiting. We need some legitimate information.
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« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2013, 11:14:07 pm »
This is all we wanted, was some sort of information that is legit about what is gonig on. I understand many things cant be said but we can not be left in the dark! were following and taking risk's just like our captin. I belive we deserve the same respect as with out us, there wouldn't be a Silk Road.
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« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2013, 11:44:41 pm »
Perhaps if DPR has gone and the site is still running, then the lesson is that we, ( the ones who use the site properly and honestly ), the community, all are indeed DPR. Then again perhaps i smoke too much:-)
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« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2013, 11:49:42 pm »
I know guys. He is going to reveal that Lib, SSBD Inigo actually met Ross IRL and had a wild gay orgy.
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« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2013, 11:51:02 pm »
I know guys. He is going to reveal that Lib, SSBD Inigo actually met Ross IRL and had a wild gay orgy.

I know you did warn us.. but.. please don't become a troll. You used to be cool, man  :(

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« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2013, 11:55:03 pm »
You don't remember me from SR1.0 then obviously.
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« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2013, 11:55:32 pm »
Oracle: What is your motives here? Dont give me the community and safety answer. Lets say DPR/Defcon pass the torch, will you jump up and give it a try?

Here is your time to shine, because you say you want a change and involve the community much more, but the problem is you dont come up with a soloution, you only want change what is now......? But change shouldnt happend before a proper soloution is in place. So how you want to handle this?

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« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2013, 12:03:31 am »
Oracle: What is your motives here? Dont give me the community and safety answer. Lets say DPR/Defcon pass the torch, will you jump up and give it a try?

Here is your time to shine, because you say you want a change and involve the community much more, but the problem is you dont come up with a soloution, you only want change what is now......? But change shouldnt happend before a proper soloution is in place. So how you want to handle this?

To answer a lot of questions, lay out the entire story (going back months), confirm/deny certain facts and theories.. and then leave you all to it. Everyone is an adult, free to make up their own mind how to proceed. It's not my job to give solutions. It's not my job to do anything. It's my moral compass and conscience, as well as sense of commitment to lay everything on the table at a critical time. It's not to cause panick, joy, or neutrality. That's up to the community.
And safety is obviously paramount. Even those I don't particular care for, I won't throw them to the wolves.

I think that's the best course of action rather then speaking to journalists, vendors, buyers, forum members etc in pieacemeal via PM, Safe-mail, torchat etc.
Lay out the big picture in a clear, succinct timeline and then hopefully give everyone peace of mind.
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« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2013, 12:08:39 am »
Coachella has went silent for a while, whats his status lol
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« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2013, 12:16:24 am »
I know guys. He is going to reveal that Lib, SSBD Inigo actually met Ross IRL and had a wild gay orgy.

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« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2013, 12:33:30 am »
Where do you get this info from oracle?
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« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2013, 12:40:41 am »
Why all the theatrics? Just release the bloody information already.

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« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2013, 12:42:12 am »
Why all the theatrics? Just release the bloody information already.

Indeed, it does seem a little dragged out but who knows what's going on.

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« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2013, 12:45:37 am »
Why all the theatrics? Just release the bloody information already.
Exactly. Don't have the time or whatever to do it now? Don't post about it until you are ready to actually contribute something. It's the same tactic of hyperbole, drama creating self importance used by trolls such as Coachella and I treat it as such. Whether or not said information that may or may not be coming is valid or not, the presentation makes me dismiss it, regardless.

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« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2013, 01:46:37 am »
Coachella has went silent for a while, whats his status lol

i heard he was banned for his d0x piece on coachella

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« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2013, 01:52:33 am »
Coachella has went silent for a while, whats his status lol

i heard he was banned for his d0x piece on coachella

Coachella was banned for his d0x piece on Coachella? Or Raul Duke was banned for it?

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« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2013, 02:27:45 am »
Redacted.
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« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2013, 02:45:09 am »
Thank you for your concern Nero.

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« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2013, 02:55:39 am »
I think that's the best course of action rather then speaking to journalists, vendors, buyers, forum members etc in pieacemeal via PM, Safe-mail, torchat etc.
Lay out the big picture in a clear, succinct timeline and then hopefully give everyone peace of mind.

Then just fucking do it. I mean, shit, all the time you've spent foreshadowing the BIG NEWS and defending that could have been spent telling us the BIG NEWS. No shit man, it gets confusing and makes my head hurt trying to figure out whether or not you've finally posted whatever BIG NEWS it is this time. Once was cute, but I feel like I've been reading your announcements for a week, and still the big news I've seen is that there is still hope for the Silk Road community to survive and thrive. Maybe you have BIG NEWS that says it won't, but I'd rather read the actual BIG NEWS that have to keep reading over and over again how great it's going to when you get around to posting it.
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« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2013, 03:02:28 am »
I think that's the best course of action rather then speaking to journalists, vendors, buyers, forum members etc in pieacemeal via PM, Safe-mail, torchat etc.
Lay out the big picture in a clear, succinct timeline and then hopefully give everyone peace of mind.

Then just fucking do it. I mean, shit, all the time you've spent foreshadowing the BIG NEWS and defending that could have been spent telling us the BIG NEWS. No shit man, it gets confusing and makes my head hurt trying to figure out whether or not you've finally posted whatever BIG NEWS it is this time. Once was cute, but I feel like I've been reading your announcements for a week, and still the big news I've seen is that there is still hope for the Silk Road community to survive and thrive. Maybe you have BIG NEWS that says it won't, but I'd rather read the actual BIG NEWS that have to keep reading over and over again how great it's going to when you get around to posting it.

Relax! Actually he is still within the timeframe he anounced a couple of days ago..

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« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2013, 03:04:59 am »
Currently washing my mouth out with soap.
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« Reply #52 on: December 24, 2013, 03:07:07 am »
Who the fuck are you Oracle? your not even staff so you cant provide us with anything

How do you know that ORACLE is not the real DPR?
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« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2013, 03:11:29 am »
Oracle,

Your supposed "documents" don't exist - and guess what - the person you so longingly wish to expose to the community is no longer here.

I think we would all appreciate it (we being the non-moonbats around here) if you would take your shit and shove it where shit it supposed to go - your ass.  I was polite with you in private conversation but you seem destined for the "limelight."

I strongly, strongly (I said strongly twice there, so I really mean strongly) advise you not to fuck with this place right now.

We should be concentrating on coming together as a community and building something even greater to honor those guys in fucking PRISON while you pop pimples and type out idle threats over the internet. Guess what - you're only able to do that BECAUSE OF THOSE PEOPLE and oh that other guy, DPR2, that you so desperately want to dox.

You really have two choices. First choice is to shove this shit and join up with the rest of us and be a part of the community. Second choice is get the fuck out. I have a sinking feeling it is going to have to be option two, but I hope your balls drop and you prove me wrong.

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Thank you for your concern Nero.

I never used the words "documents" in this thread, I specifically said "important information" and "timeline". "Documents" were referrenced to you in a private conversation. And an accurate, appropriate timeline of important information, which the community should know, will know, I will post here and it should put a lot of questions/concerns to rest. I'm just putting together a timeline that is cohesive and cautious.. and I'm only one person so that takes some time.

I would never "doxx" anybody, that isn't happening. Your advice of "not to fuck with this place" is very eloquent and thoughtful, and I will not be "fucking with this place", I'm going to be doing the opposite. The parties that matter have already given me a green light as a matter of fact.

Please don't give me choices.. I don't know you, I don't trust you, and I don't dance to your tune.. and ironically, well, your tune will change soon enough. Also - calm down a bit, you seem very worked up.. all will be ok buddy. You'll make it through just fine.

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« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2013, 03:13:31 am »

Relax! Actually he is still within the timeframe he anounced a couple of days ago..

A good advice, is never base anything on feelings, be rational!

My point is that he's had at least a few announcements like this in the last week and he treats each one like hyperdrama telling us about how great and momentus it's going to be whenever he gets time to actually post it.  No need to do all these dramatic preannouncements - when oracle is ready to post it, he should post it - if it really is important information, it'll get more than enough attention.

To Dr,Manhattan - if oracle is DPR, and posts something to convince us that he is, then we all will rejoice and peace and light will reign. Point is, we can't decide until he actually posts what he's telling us he's going to post.
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« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2013, 03:24:43 am »



My point is that he's had at least a few announcements like this in the last week and he treats each one like hyperdrama telling us about how great and momentus it's going to be whenever he gets time to actually post it.  No need to do all these dramatic preannouncements - when oracle is ready to post it, he should post it - if it really is important information, it'll get more than enough attention.



This is how forum users persive maximum attention. You have seen many times before, in movies, elections, news!
Its called "The Art Of Persuave Similar Arts"

1: anounce something less importent to get attention
2: give a timeframe of when the next "big" anouncement will happend
3: hype it up in discussion with other users
4: let the audience suffer from curiocity
5: drop the "bomb"

now even if he drops a small bomb the effect will be enourmouse. its like fapping, it doesnt matter if you fapped 6 days ago or 2 days ago, the explosion will be the same..

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« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2013, 03:31:09 am »



My point is that he's had at least a few announcements like this in the last week and he treats each one like hyperdrama telling us about how great and momentus it's going to be whenever he gets time to actually post it.  No need to do all these dramatic preannouncements - when oracle is ready to post it, he should post it - if it really is important information, it'll get more than enough attention.



This is how forum users persive maximum attention. You have seen many times before, in movies, elections, news!
Its called "The Art Of Persuave Similar Arts"

1: anounce something less importent to get attention
2: give a timeframe of when the next "big" anouncement will happend
3: hype it up in discussion with other users
4: let the audience suffer from curiocity
5: drop the "bomb"

now even if he drops a small bomb the effect will be enourmouse. its like fapping, it doesnt matter if you fapped 6 days ago or 2 days ago, the explosion will be the same..

anyone selling brazzers account?


I thought the "bomb" was when oracle links us to a rickroll or fresh price of bel-air video.....

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« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2013, 03:31:51 am »

This is how forum users persive maximum attention. You have seen many times before, in movies, elections, news!
Its called "The Art Of Persuave Similar Arts"

1: anounce something less importent to get attention
2: give a timeframe of when the next "big" anouncement will happend
3: hype it up in discussion with other users
4: let the audience suffer from curiocity
5: drop the "bomb"

now even if he drops a small bomb the effect will be enourmouse. its like fapping, it doesnt matter if you fapped 6 days ago or 2 days ago, the explosion will be the same..

anyone selling brazzers account?

Personally, I've had enough drama over the past few months that I don't need to additionally worked over like a Hollywood PR machine.  I've jumped into this discussion because I'm honesly disappointed that oracle has muddled up his message with all the extraneous stuff. I've actually been interested in what he's been going on about, but I seriously can't keep it straight with all the extras. Whatever message he's trying to convey is being swamped out by all the hype and discussion (such as, for instance, this).

What if you fapped six days ago AND 2 days ago?
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« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2013, 03:35:19 am »


What if you fapped six days ago AND 2 days ago?

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« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2013, 04:06:16 am »
Who the fuck are you Oracle? your not even staff so you cant provide us with anything

I'm with Smitty and Nero, who is this person other than a Drama Queen? Quit dicking us around, this is not the time for this bullshit.
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« Reply #60 on: December 24, 2013, 04:09:42 am »
This is crazy. I feel like I am in a soap opera. Spit it out already.
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« Reply #61 on: December 24, 2013, 05:17:41 am »

This is how forum users persive maximum attention. You have seen many times before, in movies, elections, news!
Its called "The Art Of Persuave Similar Arts"

1: anounce something less importent to get attention
2: give a timeframe of when the next "big" anouncement will happend
3: hype it up in discussion with other users
4: let the audience suffer from curiocity
5: drop the "bomb"

now even if he drops a small bomb the effect will be enourmouse. its like fapping, it doesnt matter if you fapped 6 days ago or 2 days ago, the explosion will be the same..

anyone selling brazzers account?

Personally, I've had enough drama over the past few months that I don't need to additionally worked over like a Hollywood PR machine.  I've jumped into this discussion because I'm honesly disappointed that oracle has muddled up his message with all the extraneous stuff. I've actually been interested in what he's been going on about, but I seriously can't keep it straight with all the extras. Whatever message he's trying to convey is being swamped out by all the hype and discussion (such as, for instance, this).

What if you fapped six days ago AND 2 days ago?

My thoughts exactly. Oracle, you seemed legit with your knowledge and deductions and I was supportive of whatever you had to say. But this is just soap opera shit now. I thought you had IRL things to attend to yet you replied to this thread multiple times..
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« Reply #62 on: December 24, 2013, 06:23:21 am »
Yes, I see no point in dramatically announcing future announcements instead of just making an announcement when it's ready to be announced.

Unless, perhaps, one wishes to force others to some action in anticipation of the announcement.

Anyway, oracle, whatever the final announcement at the end of the announcements, I hope you'll be extremely careful. Linking separate personas together when any are (or were) in prime positions seems to be very, very bad Opsec.
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« Reply #63 on: December 24, 2013, 06:24:09 am »
Give the guy 13 hours before you start talking shit. He said 12 hours or so, give the guy a fucking break, people are going to prison for the cause, we are not a dictatorship and you never know who you will meet on your way down.

That was not directed at Cornelius. Everybody just chill aminute it's an open forum and maybe he has something important to us.

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« Reply #64 on: December 24, 2013, 06:32:14 am »
Important announcement to come within 12 hours: that I gotta go to bed because the cocaine wore off and I'm out.

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« Reply #65 on: December 24, 2013, 06:48:41 am »
intrigued / frustrated / excited / apprehensive / anxious / curious / skeptical
add all these feelings to the meth high i'm currently on and i feel like my brain is going to explode.
need a full time xanax regime just to read these forums these days. i feel like my hair is going grey!

think i need a few deep breaths, perhaps a bar of xanax, then a beer and lie down. shit is fucking heeeeecctic
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« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2013, 07:05:02 am »
Oracle,

Who are you?

Merry Christmas :)
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« Reply #67 on: December 24, 2013, 07:51:40 am »
So I've had a bit of a change of heart here. Please note this is my opinion only - I don't know or have access to anything that the rest of you don't.

Oracle's apparent intent is to prevent any more damage being done to the community...I imagine his delay in releasing the information he will be releasing is caused by his ensuring, and then ensuring again, that he has not missed any detail that may in any way incriminate anyone else.

Time will tell, but he is not a troll. No members of staff have come out for or against him in this thread.

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« Reply #68 on: December 24, 2013, 08:07:54 am »
So I've had a bit of a change of heart here. Please note this is my opinion only - I don't know or have access to anything that the rest of you don't.

Oracle's apparent intent is to prevent any more damage being done to the community...I imagine his delay in releasing the information he will be releasing is caused by his ensuring, and then ensuring again, that he has not missed any detail that may in any way incriminate anyone else.

Time will tell, but he is not a troll. No members of staff have come out for or against him in this thread.

But the thing is: who is Oracle and why r we waiting on announcement from him?
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« Reply #69 on: December 24, 2013, 08:08:26 am »
Important announcement to come within 12 hours: that I gotta go to bed because the cocaine wore off and I'm out.

Exactly looool
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« Reply #70 on: December 24, 2013, 08:10:19 am »
He's a user registered on these forums who apparently has some information he wishes to share.

Who am I? Who are you?

I have no clue who he is.

We're waiting on an announcement because he said he was making an announcement full of answers to folks' questions.

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« Reply #71 on: December 24, 2013, 08:12:56 am »
Wouldn't it be crazy if oracle was LE...
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« Reply #72 on: December 24, 2013, 08:13:51 am »
Don't hold your breath.

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« Reply #73 on: December 24, 2013, 08:15:22 am »
Yeah. All respect to him but where's the credibility?

We all have announcements. Why isn't this coming from a mod? They're here and well.

Merry Christmas everybody. Don't fall for the hype!
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« Reply #74 on: December 24, 2013, 08:17:07 am »
OMG -1 just coz somebody took my question as belittling oracle.. Still Merry Xmas to you.. hugs n kisses :)
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« Reply #75 on: December 24, 2013, 08:23:11 am »
I know, I got like -3 earlier because I said the word fuck at him! Damn you oracle-loving negative karma givers!


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« Reply #76 on: December 24, 2013, 08:26:50 am »
I did catch a -1 for my previous posts on this thread, lol.  When it gets late.....you get silly.  So if someone could please squeeze the grape out of their ass, it is Christmas Eve :-) One love y'all.

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« Reply #77 on: December 24, 2013, 08:33:54 am »
Never mind guys +1 to y'all :)

Yeah i noticed, the late night posts aren't always a good idea..

Even ChemCat, the coolest cat and the most positive person posting here has -ve karma..
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« Reply #78 on: December 24, 2013, 08:36:19 am »
Hey ScrewsLoose,

If ur doing rails n ur struggling 2 figure out if that's good yay or not? Is it good yay?

The answer is obvious but there's plenty of ppl that contradict me..
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« Reply #79 on: December 24, 2013, 08:41:53 am »
If you're wondering, then IT IS NOT GOOD YAY.  You know good yay when you have it because you just have this "FUCK YEAH!!! THIS SHIT IS GGGOOOOOOOODDDDDDD!!!" feeling that you can chase all night.  Sometimes you just need a little extra to get there.

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« Reply #80 on: December 24, 2013, 08:42:54 am »
Never mind guys +1 to y'all :)

Yeah i noticed, the late night posts aren't always a good idea..

Even ChemCat, the coolest cat and the most positive person posting here has -ve karma..

I'd give you a +1 but i guess I already did in the last 72 hours.

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« Reply #81 on: December 24, 2013, 08:58:51 am »
I know, I got like -3 earlier because I said the word fuck at him! Damn you oracle-loving negative karma givers!

It's ok Nero. You insensitive prick. Playing the fiddle while Rome burns and all. I say "fuck" to myself all the time.. but it's mostly "fuck me baby" when one of my godesses (I fancy myself a Charlie Sheen esque character) prances around the castle nude.

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« Reply #82 on: December 24, 2013, 09:01:08 am »

It's ok Nero. You insensitive prick. Playing the fiddle while Rome burns and all. I say "fuck" to myself all the time.. but it's mostly "fuck me baby" when one of my godesses (I fancy myself a Charlie Sheen esque character) prances around the castle nude.

Not all love Oracle though. Most, but not all.. :-\

Correct me if im wrong master, but 52min left aaait?

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« Reply #83 on: December 24, 2013, 09:02:32 am »

It's ok Nero. You insensitive prick. Playing the fiddle while Rome burns and all. I say "fuck" to myself all the time.. but it's mostly "fuck me baby" when one of my godesses (I fancy myself a Charlie Sheen esque character) prances around the castle nude.

Not all love Oracle though. Most, but not all.. :-\

Correct me if im wrong master, but 52min left aaait?

thats about right, hope it isn't any longer as I got stuff to do today :-)
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« Reply #84 on: December 24, 2013, 09:06:16 am »
48 minutes!

I think IRL Oracle must be a writer or television producer.

True master of building suspense and getting attention :)

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« Reply #85 on: December 24, 2013, 09:08:17 am »
Yes I agree, I think we are all ready for our update(s).

it's be 11 hours and some change. I know I'm ready to know what exactly is going on?
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« Reply #86 on: December 24, 2013, 09:11:32 am »

It's ok Nero. You insensitive prick. Playing the fiddle while Rome burns and all. I say "fuck" to myself all the time.. but it's mostly "fuck me baby" when one of my godesses (I fancy myself a Charlie Sheen esque character) prances around the castle nude.

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Correct me if im wrong master, but 52min left aaait?

Sounds about right.
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« Reply #87 on: December 24, 2013, 09:11:51 am »
looking forward to a good read on xmas eve morning to get the day going
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« Reply #88 on: December 24, 2013, 09:12:48 am »
^^ lol I concur!
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« Reply #89 on: December 24, 2013, 09:32:23 am »
tick...tock....


tick....tock....



aobut 20 minutes left. :P
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« Reply #90 on: December 24, 2013, 09:55:27 am »
oracle you have lied to us :*(


it is now 3 minutes passed 12 hours. I'm disapointed my friend.
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« Reply #91 on: December 24, 2013, 09:57:34 am »
to be fair the original post said: I'll be making a few important revelations/announcements within 12 hours or so.   hopefully soon
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« Reply #92 on: December 24, 2013, 09:59:05 am »
Chill the fuck out guys... its not like you FE'd for him.  ::)

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« Reply #93 on: December 24, 2013, 10:01:12 am »
I FE'd 27.3 gangster points...he said if I FE'd I'd be a pimp.


I didnt even get lube.    ;)
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« Reply #94 on: December 24, 2013, 10:01:19 am »
Chill the fuck out guys... its not like you FE'd for him.  ::)

HA! +1 on this. Cracked me up. Much needed humor after a stressful few days.

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« Reply #95 on: December 24, 2013, 10:01:45 am »
Chill the fuck out guys... its not like you FE'd for him.  ::)

yea I know, just interested to read what oracle has to say before getting on with all the other stuff I have to do today  8)
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« Reply #96 on: December 24, 2013, 10:02:46 am »
I know I know oracle, I'm sorry man.


I just REALLY want to know, yah know?

LIKE REALLY REALLY want to know. :D
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« Reply #97 on: December 24, 2013, 10:06:29 am »
I know I know oracle, I'm sorry man.


I just REALLY want to know, yah know?

LIKE REALLY REALLY want to know. :D

it will probably be like one of those films where you get a really good build up/hype then the ending turns out to be a damp squib  :)
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« Reply #98 on: December 24, 2013, 10:10:48 am »
yea daddy     <-----felt werid typing this lol.


I agree though as I hope it dosn't have a shit ending. :P
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« Reply #99 on: December 24, 2013, 10:12:37 am »
OP updated.
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« Reply #100 on: December 24, 2013, 10:13:38 am »
what does OP mean?

original post I assume?
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« Reply #101 on: December 24, 2013, 10:18:03 am »

op updated, reading now.#

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« Reply #102 on: December 24, 2013, 10:26:37 am »
I don't mean to bitch but all that reading and it didn't really explain jack shit.

I mean I already knew 90% of what you said :-\   and I'm not even talknig to anyone behind the scenes.

man, I sure as fuck hope DPR him self comes back to this place cause shits getting wicked around this mother fucker.
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« Reply #103 on: December 24, 2013, 10:30:02 am »
I don't mean to bitch but all that reading and it didn't really explain jack shit.

I mean I already knew 90% of what you said :-\   and I'm not even talknig to anyone behind the scenes.

man, I sure as fuck hope DPR him self comes back to this place cause shits getting wicked around this mother fucker.

Sorry you feel that way.. but you might be smarter then the average bear. Most people don't put 2+2 together, and need things spelled out. But things have to go according to plan. However, there's a balance between keeping operating procedure/management decisions with transparency and keeping the community in the loop. You know? Lots of people had no idea what was going on.. so now that the dust has settled, my job was to paint the picture as best as it can be done with minimal security leakage. If you knew 90% of what went/goes on behinds the scenes, then you sir, are the true oracle!

Regarding DPR coming backing.. I assume you mean DPR2. DPR1 is never coming back.. but you knew that.
DPR2, he very well might or might not. That's something DPR2 and/or the administration would address if that were the case. I can't speculate on another man's life decisions. But the Christmas break shutdown was pre-planned.. nothing wicked about that. The site will be re-opened as normal (according to what the staff has informed me and I believe them to be correct), and as long as you practice good security such as PGP.. you won't have any problems.
Remember, SR1 was glorious, but IMHO it was based around a personality cult of DPR1, and we can see in hindsight how that was probably not the best idea.
Bitcoins are decentralized. I'm not saying SR will ever be decentralized or should be.. but I myself are more prone to being the master of my own destiny and enjoying a freemarket, as opposed to a dictatorship type situation where its a 1 man operation and there's never any transparency.
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« Reply #104 on: December 24, 2013, 10:30:45 am »
It is all about information compartmentalization. Either you use the site or you don't. Act as though it is compromised, encrypt everything, wash your coins. It is pretty simple. Who cares who dpr is or whatever. Disclosing that just gives more ammo to our enemys.
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« Reply #105 on: December 24, 2013, 10:31:15 am »
I love it. Thanks for the update.
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« Reply #106 on: December 24, 2013, 10:32:57 am »
And a happy xmass to you all too ^^

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« Reply #107 on: December 24, 2013, 10:33:25 am »
I wish I was the oracle....

I'm just a old gangster looking to make a little coin.   ;)


I understand things need to be kept from the community as they would only hurt us and the people up top. it's jsut that all of shit just sucks man.
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« Reply #108 on: December 24, 2013, 10:35:37 am »
well I dont know how to feel about all of this to be honest. I need to be more well connected, I can handle the real raw truth and not freak out.
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« Reply #109 on: December 24, 2013, 10:36:55 am »
^^ not every one here can handle the burden of the truth my friend.
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« Reply #110 on: December 24, 2013, 10:38:26 am »
It is all about information compartmentalization. Either you use the site or you don't. Act as though it is compromised, encrypt everything, wash your coins. It is pretty simple. Who cares who dpr is or whatever. Disclosing that just gives more ammo to our enemys.

Absolutely this. Information and personnel compartmentalization is key to a place like this. Those things were lacking (in my OPINION) in SR1.
If you have 1 man with all the information, all the processes, running multiple roles, handling everything.. you're either prone to fuckups (which happened) or security lapses (which happened).

If you compartmentalize, not any one person can bring about any significant amount damage or "knows too much" to be a vector of attack.

+1

Having a multi pronged mechanism in place for every contingency, eventuality, and having trustworthy people who just "steer the ship" as opposed to ordering edicts is the way forward. And anwyays, if you're practicing good security procedures, you''ll never have anything to worry about (bar lighting striking you)
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« Reply #111 on: December 24, 2013, 10:39:06 am »
I love SR.  It's been a home to me and helped me accept myself for who I am.  I think many of us know how meaningful that can be for a person who has precious little acceptance from elsewhere in their life.  With that said... this statement is...

Please don't use other people's names without their permission, if nothing else.  I'm presuming since astor is no longer around, you did not have his permission.  And I'm sorry, but comparing StExo's competence in security to astor's is pretty insulting.  It's fine that not everybody knows as much about security as astor.  It isn't everybody's area or cup of tea, and there's nothing wrong with that.  But you wouldn't go saying that the little league star quarterback can hold his own with the guys in the NFL.  I mean it's not only bullshit, it's somewhat insulting and belittles the man's expertise.  Expertise which he shared with us frequently, I might add.

I'm not trying to hate on StExo, he was a nice guy, but if you're gonna say things at least make them things that people aren't gonna gag while reading... still, personal opinion aside, I still don't really see why everybody is freaking out the way they are.

And people call me paranoid  ::)
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« Reply #112 on: December 24, 2013, 10:40:09 am »
I love it. Thanks for the update.

Most welcome.
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« Reply #113 on: December 24, 2013, 10:40:34 am »
Thanks for this oracle. Interesting to read. Hopefully the disasterous mistakes of DPR1 can be avoided by the current crew.

On a side note, do you have any comments on the SR2/TorMarket conflict, or any theories as to what has happened to TM?

Is the TM disappearance linked to DPR2's threats towards them in any way?

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« Reply #114 on: December 24, 2013, 10:40:50 am »
This is very useful, thankyou. I can see why it took a while... can't have been easy to construct what to say, with the eyes of LE on us.

I'd say this does, more or less, put things into perspective for now...

For all those who may doubt what oracle has said here, thats fair. We all have our doubts and its healthy to do so. There may even be some intentional misdirection here. An oracle staying true to their name indeed...  ;)



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« Reply #115 on: December 24, 2013, 10:43:00 am »
Thanks for this oracle. Interesting to read. Hopefully the disasterous mistakes of DPR1 can be avoided by the current crew.

On a side note, do you have any comments on the SR2/TorMarket conflict, or any theories as to what has happened to TM?

Is the TM disappearance linked to DPR2's threats towards them in any way?

If he knows what happened to TM he really is the fucking oracle.

My guess is he's not one for speculation though...

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« Reply #116 on: December 24, 2013, 10:43:29 am »
I love SR.  It's been a home to me and helped me accept myself for who I am.  I think many of us know how meaningful that can be for a person who has precious little acceptance from elsewhere in their life.  With that said... this statement is...

Please don't use other people's names without their permission, if nothing else.  I'm presuming since astor is no longer around, you did not have his permission.  And I'm sorry, but comparing StExo's competence in security to astor's is pretty insulting.  It's fine that not everybody knows as much about security as astor.  It isn't everybody's area or cup of tea, and there's nothing wrong with that.  But you wouldn't go saying that the little league star quarterback can hold his own with the guys in the NFL.  I mean it's not only bullshit, it's somewhat insulting and belittles the man's expertise.  Expertise which he shared with us frequently, I might add.

I'm not trying to hate on StExo, he was a nice guy, but if you're gonna say things at least make them things that people aren't gonna gag while reading... still, personal opinion aside, I still don't really see why everybody is freaking out the way they are.

And people call me paranoid  ::)

Totally fair enough. But there was a plan. And people were clamoring for the truth and that there's confusion and lots of theories and paranoia floating around.. I felt it appropriate to come out with the truth (and believe me I had to redact a lot for operational reasons). This is all how things went down. All involved know it, and the community deserves to know it as well.
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« Reply #117 on: December 24, 2013, 10:44:32 am »
OK..

good stuff.
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« Reply #118 on: December 24, 2013, 10:45:57 am »
If even part of that is true, it clears up a shitload of standing questions to date..but..How could we be sure this thread's announcement isn't just more misinformation/spreading of distrust.. what a paradox
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« Reply #119 on: December 24, 2013, 10:46:58 am »
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Alright, I’m going to try to shed a little light on some things that should hopefully give you all a collective sigh of relief, put to rest some theories, and reveal my intentions.
While doing so, I have to walk a fine line between personal OPSEC, maintaining the anonymity & privacy of others, and sticking to a commitment to respect that “behind the scenes shit” that sometimes has to be done.

It’s been about four days since the unfortunate arrests of Libertas, Inigo and SSBD.
It’s been about two/three days since DPR2 has been heard from.
It’s been almost three months since SR1 was shutdown and DPR1 was arrested
It’s been about two and a half months since the new SR “setup” came into being.

I first publicly popped into the picture when these forums first went up, but my association goes back to way before that. I can’t get into details, but I’ve never been a mod/admin/developer/vendor/buyer on either SR1 or SR2, but I have been privy to quite a bit of the inner workings of both. I’ve seen a lot of cool shit happen, a lot of sad shit happen, and I’ve always had the community’s interests at heart. I have 0 financial stake in SR1 or SR2, but I do think Silk Road is perhaps one of the coolest fucking concepts of our life time.

That being said, it’s time for a factual trip down memory lane folks.

Some of you are too young to remember (did I really just say that?!), but many moons ago on the original forum, DPR1 had posted a Job Hire looking for experienced developers/coders. People made some noise and bitched about how that would compromise the site’s security. But DPR1 had made a solid guarantee that anyone contracted to work on the site in a developer capacity would be in somewhat of an isolated environment, and they’d never ever have access to anything critical. And that’s exactly true. He did contract some work out, to two (I think) devs, and had them help him with the code. He never asked for their doxx (as he required from Administrators such as Libertas or Inigo) because they were never in any position to damage the site or do anything malicious. They weren’t able to push anything live, and were essentially just hired hands. DPR1 (Ross) controlled the actual live implementation. Libertas, SSBD, and Inigo WERE required to provide their doxx details to him as per his rules. Why they did that.. is a question they will probably be asking themselves a long fucking time. Cirrus and some of the other mods that came and went never provided any doxx information, as they were only forum moderators and had no power over the actual live, ecommerce valhalla known as Silk Road.

StExo was a prominent poster/member of the SR1 forum community (if you’re reading this Stex, drop a line sometime.. and share some of those gazillions in the Christmas spirit!) who was very, very well versed in security methods. He always provided some pretty solid security related guidance on the forums and privately. He’s pretty famous on the clearnet as well as “money launderer to the elite” or something.

Fast forward to Ocotober 2 2013 -
Ross Ulbricht is busted, SR1 is seized and panic ensues. That day sucked ass! It’s pointless dwelling on the facts surrounding that, but I think it’s obvious now that Ross made some serious fuckups, and he cooked his own goose. Nevertheless, it’s sad how fate played out for him.

After the chaos that ensued that day, there was some behind the scene actions that brought about SR2 and SR2 forums:
A couple of the contracted devs, some of the admins/mods, security gurus like StExo and Astor, and a few other close stakeholders/associates had some back&forth on how to move forward (if at all) and who’d have what role. Initially the general consensus was that Libertas should be “DPR2”, yet Libertas himself and a few others dissented that this would be a bad move as Ross had Libertas’s doxx and nobody knew if his laptop was encrypted or if he stored the doxx or wrote them down. (Obviously at this point everyone assumed Ross wouldn’t talk/plea.. and even in his initial court appearance he “disavowed all aliases”) But the fear was LE forensics would somehow decrypt or locate the doxx he kept on his administrators. The next contender up was StExo. StExo never “laundered SR’s money” as someone wrote on the forums. StExo once referred a Canadian money launderer to either DPR1 or the admins, and it’s likely DPR1 (Ross) had that person’s doxx, but Ross never got around to laundering anything(all the BTC was seized from his laptop), and StExo mentioned the last he heard from the Canadian was right after SR1 went down.. and then he just went off the grid. Stexo was a security genius though, so that option was also kicked around for being the new DPR. StExo declined because he said he didn’t need the money as he had made a fuckton of dough over the past few decades and didn’t really have the time because he was semi retired and wasn’t interested in meeting the same fate DPR1 did. The next contender was a prominent member of the SR1 community who was tech savvy and super into the whole libeteraian/freemarket/Silk Road forever school of thought. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. DPR2 was born, and agreed upon by all the members of this “high council” (pun intended LOL). Stexo and Astor vouched for his security/OPSEC bona fides, Libertas and company vouched that he had no record of buying/vending, and the nerds vouched that he’d be capable of administering a site.

The next steps were how to get things up and running, and what to do in the event of another catastrophe

1)The coders went to work to build SR2, which took forever and was buggy as hell because they really did not have access to a majority of the database or code that Ross did. This is why it took SR2 so long to get up to speed and bug free
2) A plan was put in place to have a few “Sleepers” in the crowd. This was a contingency plan in the event of DPR2 or SR2’s capture/seizure. The key element was to be a “sleeper”, it had to be someone that Ross/DPR1 never had any doxx on. The job of the sleeper mods were to integrate themselves into the community, maintain a good reputation and gain respect/trust, never buy/vend, and only “be activated” if shit hit the fan. The “sleeper admins” job was to run the servers. They’d regroup and immediately either re-construct SR, the forums or both.
3) A plan was put into play to spread disinformation on the forums for LE/haters/trolls/competition and other nay-sayers. Psy-ops.

Fast forward to now:

Because of (what we assume) is Ross’s cooperation (as mentioned in several news articles) and his attorneys strategy to resolve the case ASAP, Libertas/Inigo/SSBD were all nailed. Again another sad day. DPR2, for reasons I don’t think anyone can blame him, decided he would have to vanish, and the system that was in place will take over. This is something I don’t think anybody should hold against the guy. If you see over half your staff get busted in a coordinated worldwide swoop, you are not going to sit calm. You’re going to clean house and get the fuck out of Dodge.

This week you’ve seen a few “sleepers” get promoted as moderators. You’ve seen a sleeper admin take over entire control of the forums and site. This can’t be stressed enough, the sleepers (mods and admin(s)) have absolutely 0 connection to Ross Ulbricht. None. He had no information/doxx on them, and they’re absolutely removed from his reach. This team was formed while he was sitting behind bars. Unfortunately, the last remaining vestige of Ross (or his laptops) potential damage were Lib/Inigo/SSBD.
Cirrus and ChemCat have always been mods and therefore never had to hand over their doxx to anyone. Even DPR2 had no connection to Ross, and Ross would be unable to identify him as he was chosen later. DPR2 is smart however, and it’s very likely he’s halfway around the world by now. However, the first few days, everyone involved, had a responsibility to

A)Gauge the damage done by the recent wave of arrests
B)Make sure the “sleepers” and backup mechanism were activated properly and with precision
C)Play a round of psy-ops to protect DPR2 while he had enough time to wipe his slate clean

If you look at my old posting history, back to October, I always projected an image of “distrustful yet grudgingly accepting insider”. Close enough to people to know “where the skeletons are buried”, yet be (a bit TOO) vocal about SR2/DPR2’s decisions. Insider dissent. Perhaps LE would try to flip me? Perhaps I’d let something slip out of anger/spite to burn SR down to the ground? Or perhaps I was tasked to cultivate a certain image/trust/credibility and only show up when the need to gauge the response of any big change occurred.

When DPR2 vanished, I made a post that I will be shedding some light on the events. Behind the scenes, conversations were taking place on how best to buy some time for him to wipe his slate clean and also see just how deep the Libertas damage was.
When it became apparent that the arrests were ONLY legacy arrests based on SR1 roles/activities, I decided to have some fun with the pys-ops portion of it. Notice how no moderator, nor Cirrus, not Chemcat, and not Defcon stopped me from any of my ranting and raving. Nothing I said got deleted. Nothing I wrote was confirmed or denied.

The decision to drop subtle and not so subtle hints that DPR2 is Astor, DPR2 is Stexo, DPR2 is Scout, to check your PIN# on the site to make sure BTC was still there was done to mind-fuck those who wish to see SR shut down and break the spirit of this community. I knew Stex or Astor or Scout etc wouldn’t mind because these guys were fucking good with security, they’ve been out of the loop/scene for several months, and they all rarely login here. Painting Defcon as DPR2 was icing on the cake.. since he’s clearly not, as he’s been around since mid November.. and DPR2 or anyone would have had no idea that a “new Admin” would be needed to pull off some fuckery since nobody could have anticipated Libertas/Inigo/SSBD’s capture.

Now that a few days have elapsed, it was time to tell the community to relax, take a deep breathe, and everything is under control. The “sleepers” (sounds like the Walking Dead) have taken full control of the forums and site (no palace coups, no fake-your-own-vanishing acts, no Sheep Market scams), DPR2 is long gone and hopefully safe and sound (or we’d have heard about it by now), and site is closed as was scheduled for Christmas weeks ago.. and will re-open as scheduled. Nothing skipped a beat.

The good news:
SR2 site/forums is fully under control of the admins/mods
The site works fine, and is only scheduled to be down for Christmas
Nothing and nobody else is in danger as everything that went down was remnants from the original SR1 shutdown/arrests
DPR2 by now is probably completely safe and won’t be in a cage for daring to stand up to a failed War on Drugs and it’s oppressive minions

The bad news:
We’ve lost Libertas/Inigo/SSBD
The community had to sit in confusion as to what was going on and who was in charge and be subject to wild psy-ops (sorry.. but necessary evil!)

The best news:
1)SR will be back after Christmas as regularly scheduled
2)We’re gonna fucking win this thing

I know this is a lot to soak in, but hopefully explains my cryptic “announcements” and other various confusing elements as to who’s in charge, is the site safe, etc etc

Theres a lot of stuff that had to be redacted from this essay as per OPSEC and SR’s policy, but know that everyone involved either overtly or covertly has nothing but the community’s interests at heart and love this place.

Ohyeah, Merry Christmas!

*PS - No questions about my role. Can’t answer. I can say I’m not an “employee” or an undercover mod/admin. I’m just a friend with benefits. Ok.. seriously. Think of Harvey Keitel’s role in “Pulp Fiction”. Cool fucking guy, aint he?

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Thanks for this info  GO SR2 & merry xmas

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« Reply #120 on: December 24, 2013, 10:48:22 am »
Thanks for this oracle. Interesting to read. Hopefully the disasterous mistakes of DPR1 can be avoided by the current crew.

On a side note, do you have any comments on the SR2/TorMarket conflict, or any theories as to what has happened to TM?

Is the TM disappearance linked to DPR2's threats towards them in any way?

No problem. I honestly have no idea about the SR2/TM conflict or what happened to TM. Speculating would just be my own personal opinion. I mean, who really knows? This is the darkweb.. weirder shit has happened.

I can say with some measure of surity that the mistakes of DPR1 will most probably not occur under the current regime. The mindset is totally different, the market forces have evolved, and knowing guys like Cirrus and Chemcat and Defcon.. I can safely bet that they're not the type to start ordering hitmen. LOL.

 
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« Reply #121 on: December 24, 2013, 10:49:41 am »
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Thanks for this info  GO SR2 & merry xmas

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« Reply #122 on: December 24, 2013, 10:52:20 am »
Hmmm  sounds like a good cover story.  Sounds like trying to shut the stable door.

From what I remember of the beginning of SR2, contingency plans had already been made so there was no reason for all the crap of the last couple of days.  The chaos and drama was unwelcome and it unnerved and drove away a lot of people for no good reason. I don't believe that FUD was deliberate but a by product of bad decisions. 

I'll also point out that just because DPR doesn't have information on your sleepers doesn't mean there's nothing to out them. They may not get handed to LE on a plate like the others but that doesn't mean they're safe. 

All up, I think that the story is good PR but you lot are not as safe as you think. 

Next time, just try a calm handover.  Drama posts that generate chaos, like the call out to DPR3 and telling people to take their bitcoins and run are counter productive.  Making people think you are rank amateurs does no one any good - particularly when they're already unnerved by the poor quality of the marketplace.  Unless of course you like unnerving your client base.

so 8/10 for amusement value but in future I think I take any announcements from the staff with a pinch of salt. If you're to be believed, you lot have more fun playing games than behaving like adults.
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« Reply #123 on: December 24, 2013, 10:52:32 am »
     Well done guys!  I'm very appreciative that there was a plan in place & im proud that it seems to be working out.  For the ones who are locked up i appreciate the sacrifice & i hope things work out as good as possible for them in a real shit situation.  I just received an order today from a new vendor, my Christmas will be high and fun, and i'll be ready to place another order when the Christmas break is done. 
     Thanks for keeping us in the loop Oracle!

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« Reply #124 on: December 24, 2013, 10:53:31 am »
If even part of that is true, it clears up a shitload of standing questions to date..but..How could we be sure this thread's announcement isn't just more misinformation/spreading of distrust.. what a paradox
the mindfuck continues

huh? You dont see the point? Every, well most people just wanted to be assured that everything is under controll.

It doesnt matter if this is true or not. As long as the market can breath and operate, then there is no problem...

This market is being treated as a business, thats most importent. No unrational moves.

As long as you plan ahead, you will come out as a winner.

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« Reply #125 on: December 24, 2013, 10:55:50 am »
Well played sir, will you be sticking around now or back in the shadow?

Also  sounds like you've been around since day dot. Whatever happened to nomad bloodbath?


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« Reply #126 on: December 24, 2013, 10:56:18 am »
Thanks for this Oracle.
If DPR2, stexo, astor or any other of the SR1 greats that help made sr2 read this, thank you and I mean that. Absolute legends, and you should be proud of yourselves. :)
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« Reply #127 on: December 24, 2013, 10:57:46 am »
Questions:     Can the arrests of Libertas, Inigo, SSBD, and possibly others do anything to threaten the existing infrastucure and security of SR 2.0 ?  Or were they not privy to the essential functioning of the site, and if they in fact "squeal"  do they have anything of value to squeal about to LE ?   (Unlike Ross did with perhaps the true identities of his staff members?)

                     Oracle, Thanks for the ginormous summary of recent events and general "strategery" behind the psyops...I doubt anything you told us would not already be known by LE.......but it seems like you kind of wrapped things up in nutshell with a bow on it for LE to look at and say, "By gum, why didn't we think of that?"      It seems too tidy.   Not necessarily questioning its validity though.     Hmmm.......



                     




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« Reply #128 on: December 24, 2013, 10:58:35 am »
Brilliant...... if this is true which to be fair looks like it is, the latest turn of events have been handled well and the remaining staff are safe and ontop of it all. Remain secure and vigilant and there is no reason why we cant continue here.

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« Reply #129 on: December 24, 2013, 11:00:10 am »
Like I said the other night Welcome to the Ghost Ship..

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« Reply #130 on: December 24, 2013, 11:02:11 am »
If even part of that is true, it clears up a shitload of standing questions to date..but..How could we be sure this thread's announcement isn't just more misinformation/spreading of distrust.. what a paradox
the mindfuck continues

huh? You dont see the point? Every, well most people just wanted to be assured that everything is under controll.

It doesnt matter if this is true or not. As long as the market can breath and operate, then there is no problem...

This market is being treated as a business, thats most importent. No unrational moves.

As long as you plan ahead, you will come out as a winner.

what is under control? this announcement is coming from a disgruntled member who claims to have insider info and waited til nobody else of importance in SR community was online to post this crap.

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« Reply #131 on: December 24, 2013, 11:06:20 am »
     Well done guys!  I'm very appreciative that there was a plan in place & im proud that it seems to be working out.  For the ones who are locked up i appreciate the sacrifice & i hope things work out as good as possible for them in a real shit situation.  I just received an order today from a new vendor, my Christmas will be high and fun, and i'll be ready to place another order when the Christmas break is done. 
     Thanks for keeping us in the loop Oracle!

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« Reply #132 on: December 24, 2013, 11:07:07 am »


what is under control? this announcement is coming from a disgruntled member who claims to have insider info and waited til nobody else of importance in SR community was online to post this crap.

Come on its xmass now, lets have fun a bit!

Its always someone online even thoug they dont show up in the online list.

This was clearly planend, even if nothing is true, it show that admin/mods plan ahead of time, wich is a fresh sign.

thats all!

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« Reply #133 on: December 24, 2013, 11:07:44 am »
Thanks for this oracle. Interesting to read. Hopefully the disasterous mistakes of DPR1 can be avoided by the current crew.

On a side note, do you have any comments on the SR2/TorMarket conflict, or any theories as to what has happened to TM?

Is the TM disappearance linked to DPR2's threats towards them in any way?

No problem. I honestly have no idea about the SR2/TM conflict or what happened to TM. Speculating would just be my own personal opinion. I mean, who really knows? This is the darkweb.. weirder shit has happened.

I can say with some measure of surity that the mistakes of DPR1 will most probably not occur under the current regime. The mindset is totally different, the market forces have evolved, and knowing guys like Cirrus and Chemcat and Defcon.. I can safely bet that they're not the type to start ordering hitmen. LOL.

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« Reply #134 on: December 24, 2013, 11:09:20 am »
If even part of that is true, it clears up a shitload of standing questions to date..but..How could we be sure this thread's announcement isn't just more misinformation/spreading of distrust.. what a paradox
the mindfuck continues

huh? You dont see the point? Every, well most people just wanted to be assured that everything is under controll.

It doesnt matter if this is true or not. As long as the market can breath and operate, then there is no problem...

This market is being treated as a business, thats most importent. No unrational moves.

As long as you plan ahead, you will come out as a winner.

Yep.. but that's true. Nobody's perfect, so from what I understand even some staff itself were shocked at the Lib/Inigo/SSBD arrests, not knowing if they were next, and then with DPR not logging on.. people do get frazzled in situations like this. You can have a contingency plan and have everyone know what they're supposed to do.. but when shit actually goes down, sometimes you get overwhelmed. But eventually these guys went by the playbook and put things back on course.
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« Reply #135 on: December 24, 2013, 11:09:28 am »
So why isn't a moderator telling us this stuff?

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« Reply #136 on: December 24, 2013, 11:13:31 am »
Some have been arrested....
Some are chillin' in a bubble bath smokin' a fat one....
Some have ran for the hills....
Some are doing last minute Christmas shopping. 

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« Reply #137 on: December 24, 2013, 11:15:08 am »
If even part of that is true, it clears up a shitload of standing questions to date..but..How could we be sure this thread's announcement isn't just more misinformation/spreading of distrust.. what a paradox
the mindfuck continues

huh? You dont see the point? Every, well most people just wanted to be assured that everything is under controll.

It doesnt matter if this is true or not. As long as the market can breath and operate, then there is no problem...

This market is being treated as a business, thats most importent. No unrational moves.

As long as you plan ahead, you will come out as a winner.

what is under control? this announcement is coming from a disgruntled member who claims to have insider info and waited til nobody else of importance in SR community was online to post this crap.

I don't think you read me properly. I am not disgruntled. LOL. Everyone is assigned a role to play, and I played mine. I'm not claiming to have "insider info".. I was privy to things and that's a fact. No member of staff will dispute this..
As to why nobody of importance in SR posted this.. um.. you don't think I'm important? That hurts my feelings, man! It's Christmas.. ya know. Where's the love?

Jokes aside.. I'm assuming most "important members" aka staff/administration are either sleeping (depending on timezone), having sex (depending on virility), with family or maybe just... offline?

And in any case.. I'm the one who made the thread to make an announcement, not them, so I made it, with the required go-ahead. I was the one creating a (engineered) rucous.. so I have to gauge when it's time to call it quits and be straightforward with everyone so people stop panicing and speculating etc. That's all there really is too it. I'm still hurt you don't think I'm important. My mom thinks I'm important.
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« Reply #138 on: December 24, 2013, 11:17:28 am »
So why isn't a moderator telling us this stuff?

Because I made the post, I was part of a bigger plan (and I was chosen for this specific role BECAUSE of the fact that I'm NOT a moderator) to be the one to gauge when the coast is clear. I wouldn't post this much information without getting approval, if that's what you're asking. Chill out my friend.. like your name says.. loosen up a bit! Merry Christmas my friend
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« Reply #139 on: December 24, 2013, 11:18:52 am »
So why isn't a moderator telling us this stuff?

Because I made the post, I was part of a bigger plan (and I was chosen for this specific role BECAUSE of the fact that I'm NOT a moderator) to be the one to gauge when the coast is clear. I wouldn't post this much information without getting approval, if that's what you're asking. Chill out my friend.. like your name says.. loosen up a bit! Merry Christmas my friend

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« Reply #140 on: December 24, 2013, 11:21:20 am »
Oracle why would you wanna be the 'cool guy' Harvey Keitel who get played by a cop shot and killed when you could be Steve Busemi the 'Professional' who lives, escapes and get the money?
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« Reply #141 on: December 24, 2013, 11:21:54 am »
I wish I was the oracle....

I'm just a old gangster looking to make a little coin.   ;)


I understand things need to be kept from the community as they would only hurt us and the people up top. it's jsut that all of shit just sucks man.

+1 for this ("...just an old gangster..")

Me too mate (and I believe a lot of the guys around are "old style" too)!

I love the announcement of oracle. And if this is what was going on I'm proud to be a (very small) part of the
story! That would be a smash directly in the face of LE (although it's too sad they can celebrate the captures of 3 good men)!

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« Reply #142 on: December 24, 2013, 11:24:07 am »
Questions:     Can the arrests of Libertas, Inigo, SSBD, and possibly others do anything to threaten the existing infrastucure and security of SR 2.0 ?  Or were they not privy to the essential functioning of the site, and if they in fact "squeal"  do they have anything of value to squeal about to LE ?   (Unlike Ross did with perhaps the true identities of his staff members?)

                     Oracle, Thanks for the ginormous summary of recent events and general "strategery" behind the psyops...I doubt anything you told us would not already be known by LE.......but it seems like you kind of wrapped things up in nutshell with a bow on it for LE to look at and say, "By gum, why didn't we think of that?"      It seems too tidy.   Not necessarily questioning its validity though.     Hmmm.......
                     

To answer your questions: No, it can't. They're accounts and access were killed. They have no idea where the servers are. They were absolutely not in any position to be privy to anything that would harm the integrity of the site/infrastructure/servers/forums. There's a lot I cannot get into, but I will say that an audit was done and there's no way that anyone of them could techincally do anything to SR2 servers. As for squealing, that's on their consience.. but they're being charged in connection with activities on SR1 only and activities during a certain time period (before SR2 existed). So no. Ross, like you said, had identification on his staff. Again, I can't get into specifics, but rest assured that same mistake/potential failure point was not repeated.

No need to thank me. Enough time had passed to enter into the next logical phase of SR2, damage assesment was done, and the individuals charges with crimes unrelated to SR2 had their accounts killed. 
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« Reply #143 on: December 24, 2013, 11:26:14 am »
If even part of that is true, it clears up a shitload of standing questions to date..but..How could we be sure this thread's announcement isn't just more misinformation/spreading of distrust.. what a paradox
the mindfuck continues

huh? You dont see the point? Every, well most people just wanted to be assured that everything is under controll.

It doesnt matter if this is true or not. As long as the market can breath and operate, then there is no problem...

This market is being treated as a business, thats most importent. No unrational moves.

As long as you plan ahead, you will come out as a winner.

what is under control? this announcement is coming from a disgruntled member who claims to have insider info and waited til nobody else of importance in SR community was online to post this crap.

I don't think you read me properly. I am not disgruntled. LOL. Everyone is assigned a role to play, and I played mine. I'm not claiming to have "insider info".. I was privy to things and that's a fact. No member of staff will dispute this..
As to why nobody of importance in SR posted this.. um.. you don't think I'm important? That hurts my feelings, man! It's Christmas.. ya know. Where's the love?

Jokes aside.. I'm assuming most "important members" aka staff/administration are either sleeping (depending on timezone), having sex (depending on virility), with family or maybe just... offline?

And in any case.. I'm the one who made the thread to make an announcement, not them, so I made it, with the required go-ahead. I was the one creating a (engineered) rucous.. so I have to gauge when it's time to call it quits and be straightforward with everyone so people stop panicing and speculating etc. That's all there really is too it. I'm still hurt you don't think I'm important. My mom thinks I'm important.

i get it. you're important. now are you done bragging about this master plan and get off your high horse you cocky motherfucker

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« Reply #144 on: December 24, 2013, 11:27:31 am »


Because I made the post, I was part of a bigger plan (and I was chosen for this specific role BECAUSE of the fact that I'm NOT a moderator) to be the one to gauge when the coast is clear. I wouldn't post this much information without getting approval, if that's what you're asking. Chill out my friend.. like your name says.. loosen up a bit! Merry Christmas my friend

oracle, give them a break. You have put us through an opera orcastred by Bach and Davinci.

As for the planing post: i have always believed in planing. Rational moves is ALWAYS better then moves based on feelings. Human cant controll feelings, unless they have planned how to treat different scenarios.

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« Reply #145 on: December 24, 2013, 11:28:23 am »
Oracle why would you wanna be the 'cool guy' Harvey Keitel who get played by a cop shot and killed when you could be Steve Busemi the 'Professional' who lives, escapes and get the money?
you are thinking of Reservoir Dogs, Oracle said Pulp fiction where Harvey Keitel played Mr Wolf, the guy who sorted problems
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« Reply #146 on: December 24, 2013, 11:29:54 am »
Oracle why would you wanna be the 'cool guy' Harvey Keitel who get played by a cop shot and killed when you could be Steve Busemi the 'Professional' who lives, escapes and get the money?
you are thinking of Reservoir Dogs, Oracle said Pulp fiction where Harvey Keitel played Mr Wolf, the guy who sorted problems

+1. "The Wolf", right? Or was it The Fixer?
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« Reply #147 on: December 24, 2013, 11:31:31 am »
Oracle why would you wanna be the 'cool guy' Harvey Keitel who get played by a cop shot and killed when you could be Steve Busemi the 'Professional' who lives, escapes and get the money?

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« Reply #148 on: December 24, 2013, 11:36:02 am »
Harvey Keitel was "The Wolf" in Pulp Fiction and "Mr. White" in Reservior Dogs.      ;)    The Wolf was indeed a Fixer though! 

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« Reply #149 on: December 24, 2013, 11:38:50 am »
So, your role was to spread misinformation on the forum, right? This misinformation was about the real identity of DPR2, right?
Well, but wouldn't teling us that make this operation useless? What was the sense in that? How could it throw off LE?

On a side note: Were there a lot of people who really believed Defcon to be SR2?
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« Reply #150 on: December 24, 2013, 11:41:14 am »
Good job Oracle. Appreciated the warning before the new market opened up and surprisingly the accusations turned out to be spot on. +1. Backing this guy out of moral conscience.
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« Reply #151 on: December 24, 2013, 11:42:53 am »
He might be the new DPR2. In fact, he's the defacto DPR2 until the alleged DPR3 mentioned by Oracle takes on his new role.

This is the darknet. Who knows if DefCon creates a new account or if Stexxo is indeed DPR2 like what another thread claims.

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« Reply #152 on: December 24, 2013, 11:50:38 am »
So, your role was to spread misinformation on the forum, right? This misinformation was about the real identity of DPR2, right?
Well, but wouldn't teling us that make this operation useless? What was the sense in that? How could it throw off LE?

On a side note: Were there a lot of people who really believed Defcon to be SR2?

Kind of. It was (amongst other things I was tasked to do over time) to appear to be a disgruntled insider. That confuses LE/gives them tailspsins. they think oh, this guy knows something, lets give him some credence.. while in reality it's sending them goose chases.
It's the "good kind of FUD". It was more then about DPR2.. it was to cause a distraction on who/where to give enough time to asses what was going on..

Telling you doesn't make the operation useless.. it makes it over. Finally :)

To answer your question.. honestly.. nah. They'd see he's an old account, created in November, and he had been active here and there.. but hey, I tried.
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« Reply #153 on: December 24, 2013, 11:51:02 am »
Good job Oracle. Appreciated the warning before the new market opened up and surprisingly the accusations turned out to be spot on. +1. Backing this guy out of moral conscience.

Thank you Kush.
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« Reply #154 on: December 24, 2013, 11:53:26 am »
He might be the new DPR2. In fact, he's the defacto DPR2 until the alleged DPR3 mentioned by Oracle takes on his new role.

This is the darknet. Who knows if DefCon creates a new account or if Stexxo is indeed DPR2 like what another thread claims.

I personally care about a functioning marketplace and wish all leaders here protect themselves and decentralize operations.

Another good read:
http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=10943.0

Right on, that's the point. It doesn't even matter "who". If you're using  TOR and PGP and practicing standard security protocols.. a site could theoretically be run on Tarbells laptop with the NSA standing over his shoulder and it would mean't jack shit.
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« Reply #155 on: December 24, 2013, 11:55:08 am »
Holy fuck, every time we logged on over the few week, its like the Mission Impossible theme tune came on in our heads. Talk about a movie script in the making.

Thanks for the news Oracle, much appreciated. The dust has not settled yet, but at least we can rest a little easier and piece together some of the info.

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« Reply #156 on: December 24, 2013, 11:55:40 am »
And St. Exo is...........Coachella?     So confused.   ;)     J/K

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« Reply #157 on: December 24, 2013, 11:58:22 am »
I have a hunch on who oracle is (I mean, what was his previous nick on SR1 and another, long-dead forum board) and if I'm right, I trust this guy completely :) That's the best news since the rise of SR2.
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« Reply #158 on: December 24, 2013, 11:59:23 am »

Right on, that's the point. It doesn't even matter "who". If you're using  TOR and PGP and practicing standard security protocols.. a site could theoretically be run on Tarbells laptop with the NSA standing over his shoulder and it would mean't jack shit.

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« Reply #159 on: December 24, 2013, 12:02:34 pm »
Oracle why would you wanna be the 'cool guy' Harvey Keitel who get played by a cop shot and killed when you could be Steve Busemi the 'Professional' who lives, escapes and get the money?
you are thinking of Reservoir Dogs, Oracle said Pulp fiction where Harvey Keitel played Mr Wolf, the guy who sorted problems
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« Reply #160 on: December 24, 2013, 12:11:59 pm »
I have a hunch on who oracle is (I mean, what was his previous nick on SR1 and another, long-dead forum board) and if I'm right, I trust this guy completely :) That's the best news since the rise of SR2.

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« Reply #161 on: December 24, 2013, 12:13:00 pm »
Who could the other arrests be that they haven't announced?   And how will that affect things here if so??

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« Reply #162 on: December 24, 2013, 12:13:41 pm »
Have any of you considered taking up amateur dramatics as a hobby? It could serve as a rather wonderful outlet for your pent up need for attention and ability/ penchant for creative writing.

Many here are missing the point. As Libertas said from day 1, if you treat everything and everyone as compromised and act accordingly you should be in the clear.

It's just a shame he didn't take his own advice.

I'm not sure about this point: if it was planned like this (if anything like the arrests will happen), then it's nearly brilliant. If oracle only need some time to write some pages in a novel.............

But the point is: you CANNOT trust anyone in the DarkWeb. So act like this!

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« Reply #163 on: December 24, 2013, 12:36:18 pm »
Damn oracle!!

That is some breaking bad level conspiring shit.

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« Reply #164 on: December 24, 2013, 12:39:02 pm »
I'm so glad that this was all planned, I just hope that the damage hasn't already been done and vendors will return after the break.

Thoughts are with Libertas, Inigo and SSBD. I wish LE would focus on real criminals who actually cause harm to the innocent, rather than arresting someone running a book club & trying to educate people. Pricks!

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« Reply #165 on: December 24, 2013, 12:41:14 pm »
I have a hunch on who oracle is (I mean, what was his previous nick on SR1 and another, long-dead forum board) and if I'm right, I trust this guy completely :) That's the best news since the rise of SR2.

shh :-X

Me too... I was thinking that but didn't want to say anything ::)
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« Reply #166 on: December 24, 2013, 01:10:03 pm »
Thanks for some clarity, all though most of this was already assumed, its great to have some official-ish conformation. You've earned a lot of respect from me. Merry x mas! :)
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« Reply #167 on: December 24, 2013, 01:16:05 pm »
I have a hunch on who oracle is (I mean, what was his previous nick on SR1 and another, long-dead forum board) and if I'm right, I trust this guy completely :) That's the best news since the rise of SR2.

shh :-X

Me too... I was thinking that but didn't want to say anything ::)

So please: keep it as is ;-). I would advice anyone not to mention about some ideas who oracle was, is or will be....


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« Reply #168 on: December 24, 2013, 01:22:56 pm »
interesting read OP. keep your head down though. ;)

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« Reply #169 on: December 24, 2013, 01:26:57 pm »
I have a hunch on who oracle is (I mean, what was his previous nick on SR1 and another, long-dead forum board) and if I'm right, I trust this guy completely :) That's the best news since the rise of SR2.

shh :-X

Me too... I was thinking that but didn't want to say anything ::)

So please: keep it as is ;-). I would advice anyone not to mention about some ideas who oracle was, is or will be....

Of course, please bare in mind this is only pure speculation from my inquisitive mind. ;)
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« Reply #170 on: December 24, 2013, 01:28:13 pm »
im really praying to the gods of gear that this is all true and just some kind of bluff to let a man escape the tyranyf of the war on drugs ( Laws were made for people, the law can never scorn The right of a man to be free- Free the People). But I feel that it never hurts to be cautious and in times like this I am acutely reminded that this is not ebay or amazon and as such I feel that although I will be back ordering again come the 28th I think I will be putting the brakes on a bit untill a few months have passed as ive got a bit of trepadation about the whole thing.

Hope I am worng and will look back on these worries and laugh at my self but....


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« Reply #171 on: December 24, 2013, 01:28:58 pm »
The oracle's role is to unbalance the matrix almost to the point of self destruction. Only then can a resolution that is acceptable to everyone be found. A delicate balance must be struck in a dangerous game such as this. :)
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« Reply #172 on: December 24, 2013, 01:31:47 pm »
I have a hunch on who oracle is (I mean, what was his previous nick on SR1 and another, long-dead forum board) and if I'm right, I trust this guy completely :) That's the best news since the rise of SR2.

shh :-X

Me too... I was thinking that but didn't want to say anything ::)

So please: keep it as is ;-). I would advice anyone not to mention about some ideas who oracle was, is or will be....

Of course, please bare in mind this is only pure speculation from my inquisitive mind. ;)

I know, I know some call it "head-cinema" :-)

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« Reply #173 on: December 24, 2013, 01:33:25 pm »
Thank you for posting this, it really does make so much sense. Especially how cirus' post about DPR being compromised and SR is about to end are no where to be found. LOL THAT THREW EVERYONE OFF

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« Reply #174 on: December 24, 2013, 01:36:32 pm »
this whole episode is getting a bit to animal farmish for me.....

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« Reply #175 on: December 24, 2013, 01:42:44 pm »
this whole episode is getting a bit to animal farmish for me.....

which version?  :o

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« Reply #176 on: December 24, 2013, 01:56:22 pm »
...there was no reason for all the crap of the last couple of days.  The chaos and drama was unwelcome and it unnerved and drove away a lot of people for no good reason. I don't believe that FUD was deliberate but a by product of bad decisions.

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Maybe I lack intellect but i just cannot grasp the benefits of this soap opera in opposition to a silent transition. I can't seem to get how that bought dpr2 time. Without this artificial disturbance you probably wouldn't even need those "sleepers" to keep the community in check.

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« Reply #177 on: December 24, 2013, 02:17:17 pm »
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« Reply #178 on: December 24, 2013, 02:33:33 pm »
This is some cool shit.
Boy,am I glad to know that there are some highly competent individuals behind our movement.
Well done.Now let´s get on with building this community which will change the world as we know it.

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« Reply #179 on: December 24, 2013, 02:35:42 pm »
Great with my morn'n coffee (ooops OPSEC) :-[  Gotta finish reading it though.

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« Reply #180 on: December 24, 2013, 02:53:41 pm »
Have any of you considered taking up amateur dramatics as a hobby? It could serve as a rather wonderful outlet for your pent up need for attention and ability/ penchant for creative writing.

Many here are missing the point. As Libertas said from day 1, if you treat everything and everyone as compromised and act accordingly you should be in the clear.

It's just a shame he didn't take his own advice.


I also noticed that most people arrested are the same who preached so much about security, yet they did not practice what they preached.

Also, if what Oracle says is true, that's fucking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #181 on: December 24, 2013, 03:10:15 pm »
Excellent news oracle. This post has given me so much relief. :)
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« Reply #182 on: December 24, 2013, 03:57:23 pm »
A most memorable christmas eve to be sure!

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« Reply #183 on: December 24, 2013, 04:41:48 pm »
This man speaks the truth, I have followed Silk Road since I first heard about it on the Bitcoin Forum and the Shroomery. I was scammed out of a lot of money in the months preceedingg the SR concept and was quite vocal about it.

I'm pretty sure Ross was watching many of us as we invested in BTC and got scammed by some shady Canadian and Dutch groups, while one of my friends started the first concept Tor Market (Crypt/MaxxVendor)
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« Reply #184 on: December 24, 2013, 05:08:27 pm »
Oracle why would you wanna be the 'cool guy' Harvey Keitel who get played by a cop shot and killed when you could be Steve Busemi the 'Professional' who lives, escapes and get the money?
you are thinking of Reservoir Dogs, Oracle said Pulp fiction where Harvey Keitel played Mr Wolf, the guy who sorted problems

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« Reply #185 on: December 24, 2013, 05:12:56 pm »
I don't know, thats all I know!!
This is better than watching TV, I mean this stuff would be hard to write if you think since the start of October SR1 was seized, 2,3,4 or however many other markets popped up and either scammed coin or got scammed then SR2 and roll on more arressts and drama in various forms. Seriously who needs a TV with this?

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« Reply #186 on: December 24, 2013, 05:36:34 pm »
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« Reply #187 on: December 24, 2013, 05:49:23 pm »
Aren't the sleeper mods V and DoctorClu? Have I missed something?

Both DoctorClu and myself have been prepared for a chain of events such as this since pre-launch of SR2

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« Reply #188 on: December 24, 2013, 06:07:34 pm »
Or it's a good script.

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« Reply #189 on: December 24, 2013, 06:39:36 pm »
I am proud to be part of this DarkNet movement.
Can't wait till the 28th

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« Reply #190 on: December 24, 2013, 06:44:47 pm »
why is this not stickied? :0

Thanks for the update and settling our nerves!
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« Reply #191 on: December 24, 2013, 06:51:57 pm »
good job oracle, and everyone else.
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« Reply #192 on: December 24, 2013, 06:54:40 pm »
If even part of that is true, it clears up a shitload of standing questions to date..but..How could we be sure this thread's announcement isn't just more misinformation/spreading of distrust.. what a paradox
the mindfuck continues

huh? You dont see the point? Every, well most people just wanted to be assured that everything is under controll.

It doesnt matter if this is true or not. As long as the market can breath and operate, then there is no problem...

This market is being treated as a business, thats most importent. No unrational moves.

As long as you plan ahead, you will come out as a winner.

what is under control? this announcement is coming from a disgruntled member who claims to have insider info and waited til nobody else of importance in SR community was online to post this crap.

This ^^^.  I don't trust oracle because posts that he made intially when shit was hitting the fan are now gone and he's changed his tone.  There was an entire stickied thread with dozens of pages that a mod said got accidentally deleted.  Yeah sure it did.  A slip of the finger I'm sure. 

From what my memory recalls, and perhaps others who were online at that time in the first 24 hours after the announcement was made can back me up on this, oracle was on here asking permission from all the mods to post what he knew.  The mods all gave him the green light.  And then he proceeded to bash the hell out of DPR2 bringing to light some serious character issues.  He called him greedy and incompetent.  He pointed out the lack of planning.  I wish I could say I was surprised when I read this, but I wasn't.  It just confirmed what I had feared all along.  Oracle posted with an "I told you so" tone.  He said see this is what I was trying to tell you guys back in October.  What happened to all those posts, Oracle?  Oracle would only vouch for one moderator, Cirrus I believe.  He claimed that no other mod had a moral compass.  He said it was the only mod he actually trusted. 

Look guys give me the benefit of the doubt as I'm trying to recall this stuff from memory since the posts were gone.  But judging from ihnZ's post I am not the only one who recalls this.  Take what oracle says with a grain of salt.  He may sound believeable, but I have my own theory as to what's going on.
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« Reply #193 on: December 24, 2013, 07:06:25 pm »
If even part of that is true, it clears up a shitload of standing questions to date..but..How could we be sure this thread's announcement isn't just more misinformation/spreading of distrust.. what a paradox
the mindfuck continues

huh? You dont see the point? Every, well most people just wanted to be assured that everything is under controll.

It doesnt matter if this is true or not. As long as the market can breath and operate, then there is no problem...

This market is being treated as a business, thats most importent. No unrational moves.

As long as you plan ahead, you will come out as a winner.

what is under control? this announcement is coming from a disgruntled member who claims to have insider info and waited til nobody else of importance in SR community was online to post this crap.

This ^^^.  I don't trust oracle because posts that he made intially when shit was hitting the fan are now gone and he's changed his tone.  There was an entire stickied thread with dozens of pages that a mod said got accidentally deleted.  Yeah sure it did.  A slip of the finger I'm sure. 

From what my memory recalls, and perhaps others who were online at that time in the first 24 hours after the announcement was made can back me up on this, oracle was on here asking permission from all the mods to post what he knew.  The mods all gave him the green light.  And then he proceeded to bash the hell out of DPR2 bringing to light some serious character issues.  He called him greedy and incompetent.  He pointed out the lack of planning.  I wish I could say I was surprised when I read this, but I wasn't.  It just confirmed what I had feared all along.  Oracle posted with an "I told you so" tone.  He said see this is what I was trying to tell you guys back in October.  What happened to all those posts, Oracle?  Oracle would only vouch for one moderator, Cirrus I believe.  He claimed that no other mod had a moral compass.  He said it was the only mod he actually trusted. 

Look guys give me the benefit of the doubt as I'm trying to recall this stuff from memory since the posts were gone.  But judging from ihnZ's post I am not the only one who recalls this.  Take what oracle says with a grain of salt.  He may sound believeable, but I have my own theory as to what's going on.

I was around when shit hit the fan and stayed around the WHOLE TIME as I'm on vacation and have been awfully curious with the new developments.  I can support everything that SmokesHisBrocolli is saying.  Look at my past posts, I have been questioning this shit show from the start, and recent actions have caused me to further question what the hell is going on around here.  Something else is going on around here.  Posts have been disappearing, accounts getting banned/deleted, tons of questionable and suspicious behavior.  I'm glad everyone goes and believes someone who isn't staff. 

We just keep accepting what they tell us instead of asking questions to these strange irregularities.

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« Reply #194 on: December 24, 2013, 07:37:41 pm »

This ^^^.  I don't trust oracle because posts that he made intially when shit was hitting the fan are now gone and he's changed his tone.  There was an entire stickied thread with dozens of pages that a mod said got accidentally deleted.  Yeah sure it did.  A slip of the finger I'm sure. 

From what my memory recalls, and perhaps others who were online at that time in the first 24 hours after the announcement was made can back me up on this, oracle was on here asking permission from all the mods to post what he knew.  The mods all gave him the green light.  And then he proceeded to bash the hell out of DPR2 bringing to light some serious character issues.  He called him greedy and incompetent.  He pointed out the lack of planning.  I wish I could say I was surprised when I read this, but I wasn't.  It just confirmed what I had feared all along.  Oracle posted with an "I told you so" tone.  He said see this is what I was trying to tell you guys back in October.  What happened to all those posts, Oracle?  Oracle would only vouch for one moderator, Cirrus I believe.  He claimed that no other mod had a moral compass.  He said it was the only mod he actually trusted. 

Look guys give me the benefit of the doubt as I'm trying to recall this stuff from memory since the posts were gone.  But judging from ihnZ's post I am not the only one who recalls this.  Take what oracle says with a grain of salt.  He may sound believeable, but I have my own theory as to what's going on.

I was around when shit hit the fan and stayed around the WHOLE TIME as I'm on vacation and have been awfully curious with the new developments.  I can support everything that SmokesHisBrocolli is saying.  Look at my past posts, I have been questioning this shit show from the start, and recent actions have caused me to further question what the hell is going on around here.  Something else is going on around here.  Posts have been disappearing, accounts getting banned/deleted, tons of questionable and suspicious behavior.  I'm glad everyone goes and believes someone who isn't staff. 

We just keep accepting what they tell us instead of asking questions to these strange irregularities.

Didn't he explain right in the 'announcement' that all of that was fake shit to throw people off to buy DPR2 some time and allow the backup plan to take effect? Posts have been disappearing and accounts banned... yes. How is that weird? I expect that to happen when half the team just got arrested. I'm not saying I believe this stuff 100% but I don't really see any holes if you take what he said at face value.
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« Reply #195 on: December 24, 2013, 07:42:50 pm »
Oh I've thoroughly read the OP, but why aren't we getting this from a mod?  Doesn't it seem strange? CRITICALLY THINK PEOPLE.  Ask questions and when they're answered look for more to ask.

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« Reply #196 on: December 24, 2013, 07:46:42 pm »
The only thing I'm sure of is that all those who have participated in this clusterfuck must have raw dicks by now from all that jerking off while congratulating themselves on how clever they've been.  Backopy and the new BMR certainly looks better and safer these days.

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He has done a complete and utter U turn....He has been paid or warned to STFU.
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« Reply #198 on: December 24, 2013, 08:10:09 pm »
Unfortunately, I must doubt the OP, as I'm sure he would have me do. (It's a great story though regardless). Time will tell if the market thrives, and people are safe.

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« Reply #199 on: December 24, 2013, 08:27:02 pm »

This ^^^.  I don't trust oracle because posts that he made intially when shit was hitting the fan are now gone and he's changed his tone.  There was an entire stickied thread with dozens of pages that a mod said got accidentally deleted.  Yeah sure it did.  A slip of the finger I'm sure. 

From what my memory recalls, and perhaps others who were online at that time in the first 24 hours after the announcement was made can back me up on this, oracle was on here asking permission from all the mods to post what he knew.  The mods all gave him the green light.  And then he proceeded to bash the hell out of DPR2 bringing to light some serious character issues.  He called him greedy and incompetent.  He pointed out the lack of planning.  I wish I could say I was surprised when I read this, but I wasn't.  It just confirmed what I had feared all along.  Oracle posted with an "I told you so" tone.  He said see this is what I was trying to tell you guys back in October.  What happened to all those posts, Oracle?  Oracle would only vouch for one moderator, Cirrus I believe.  He claimed that no other mod had a moral compass.  He said it was the only mod he actually trusted. 

Look guys give me the benefit of the doubt as I'm trying to recall this stuff from memory since the posts were gone.  But judging from ihnZ's post I am not the only one who recalls this.  Take what oracle says with a grain of salt.  He may sound believeable, but I have my own theory as to what's going on.

I was around when shit hit the fan and stayed around the WHOLE TIME as I'm on vacation and have been awfully curious with the new developments.  I can support everything that SmokesHisBrocolli is saying.  Look at my past posts, I have been questioning this shit show from the start, and recent actions have caused me to further question what the hell is going on around here.  Something else is going on around here.  Posts have been disappearing, accounts getting banned/deleted, tons of questionable and suspicious behavior.  I'm glad everyone goes and believes someone who isn't staff. 

We just keep accepting what they tell us instead of asking questions to these strange irregularities.

Didn't he explain right in the 'announcement' that all of that was fake shit to throw people off to buy DPR2 some time and allow the backup plan to take effect? Posts have been disappearing and accounts banned... yes. How is that weird? I expect that to happen when half the team just got arrested. I'm not saying I believe this stuff 100% but I don't really see any holes if you take what he said at face value.

How is it weird?  It's weird because it's information that someone didn't want put out there.  Someone wanted it covered up.  For me it's not so much about him dropping subtle hints as to who was who as the OP put it to try to throw LE off or something (which seems to me to be a pretty silly reason.  I don't think LE would be fooled)   

There's nothing more to take away from my post other than we have oracle here, who if he really is in the know like he says, was on the record as saying that there was only one member of staff, Cirrus, that he felt he could trust.  So he was inferring that the other mods were not to be trusted.  He also used the term moral as well.  That I do remember clearly.  He said Cirrus is the only one with a moral compass.  But when you read his good news points, even though he is not a mod/admin/developer/vendor/buyer, he is vouching for the admins/mods.  Saying it's going to be business as usual after Christmas.  Let's just let alone the fact that DPR2 is AWOL and just a few days ago oracle was saying there was one mod that could be trusted and now he's saying don't worry guys the mods/admins are in control.  Sorry, oracle.  You've lost all credability to me.  Raoul Puke is right.  He's been paid or warned to shut the fuck up and it all comes down to money.  The mods/admins or whoever is behind the scenes just wants him to shut the hell up so they can calm the fear and resume business after the break.  I think there's still things we don't know. 

Consider this.  If DPR2 is such a technical whiz, like a whiz enough to create this site, and he is on the run, how difficult would it be for such a smart guy to take a laptop to starbucks, spoof a mac address, and post a message to us letting us know what's up?  You guys stopped demanding a response once the other mods came on and spoke on his behalf.  We should still be demanding to hear from DPR2 IMO. 


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« Reply #200 on: December 24, 2013, 08:32:39 pm »
I personally believe Oracle. I've traced his posts back to the beginning of sr2 and he has been consistant. Yes, it might be a bit "dramatic" as some people call it but this is federal LE we are dealing with so smoke and mirrors only help. The fact that this thread has lasted this long and no mods/admins have deleted it or any of his posts has to have some validity. If it scares you, then you are a noob. Use TOR, PGP, encrypt, and tails for everything. Even if the NSA itself ran this site as long as you are covering your own ass YOU ARE SAFE. It's the idiots not PGPing PM's and divulging sensitive info that fuck shit up. Maybe a new feature should be a mandatory tutorial on PGP to join the site. Yes, it might deter some simple folk from using the site but anyone not intelligent enough to use something simple enough as PGP does not need to be using this site IMHO. Yes, buyer numbers would go down and profits would drop but security would go up. Imagine how many people have sent there plain home address non PGP to their vendor? IF everyone uses proper security to protect themselves and not rely on SR to protect them and definitely NEVER doxx yourself to ANYONE then the worst case scenario is the feds somehow find the server and shut the site down. Then we simply re-build and keep business going as usual.

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« Reply #201 on: December 24, 2013, 08:51:58 pm »
I personally believe Oracle. I've traced his posts back to the beginning of sr2 and he has been consistant. Yes, it might be a bit "dramatic" as some people call it but this is federal LE we are dealing with so smoke and mirrors only help. The fact that this thread has lasted this long and no mods/admins have deleted it or any of his posts has to have some validity. If it scares you, then you are a noob. Use TOR, PGP, encrypt, and tails for everything. Even if the NSA itself ran this site as long as you are covering your own ass YOU ARE SAFE. It's the idiots not PGPing PM's and divulging sensitive info that fuck shit up. Maybe a new feature should be a mandatory tutorial on PGP to join the site. Yes, it might deter some simple folk from using the site but anyone not intelligent enough to use something simple enough as PGP does not need to be using this site IMHO. Yes, buyer numbers would go down and profits would drop but security would go up. Imagine how many people have sent there plain home address non PGP to their vendor? IF everyone uses proper security to protect themselves and not rely on SR to protect them and definitely NEVER doxx yourself to ANYONE then the worst case scenario is the feds somehow find the server and shut the site down. Then we simply re-build and keep business going as usual.

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How do you know his posts weren't deleted?  I'm saying I do know his posts were deleted because I saw it with my own eyes.  The quesiton is when did you read all his old posts?  Because if you read all his old posts today, you aren't seeing the full picture because posts did get deleted. 

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« Reply #202 on: December 24, 2013, 09:00:55 pm »
wow quite a read thanks for all the info. to everyone asking why you should believe oracle, you shouldnt. you shouldnt belive anyone ever but read the story and take what you want from it. never depend on the market or its staff for your security because youre only as safe as you make yourself. most importantly glad to hear the market will be up and running as scheduled and cant wait to see the community stronger than ever. viva SR.

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« Reply #203 on: December 24, 2013, 09:02:11 pm »
I personally believe Oracle. I've traced his posts back to the beginning of sr2 and he has been consistant. Yes, it might be a bit "dramatic" as some people call it but this is federal LE we are dealing with so smoke and mirrors only help. The fact that this thread has lasted this long and no mods/admins have deleted it or any of his posts has to have some validity. If it scares you, then you are a noob. Use TOR, PGP, encrypt, and tails for everything. Even if the NSA itself ran this site as long as you are covering your own ass YOU ARE SAFE. It's the idiots not PGPing PM's and divulging sensitive info that fuck shit up. Maybe a new feature should be a mandatory tutorial on PGP to join the site. Yes, it might deter some simple folk from using the site but anyone not intelligent enough to use something simple enough as PGP does not need to be using this site IMHO. Yes, buyer numbers would go down and profits would drop but security would go up. Imagine how many people have sent there plain home address non PGP to their vendor? IF everyone uses proper security to protect themselves and not rely on SR to protect them and definitely NEVER doxx yourself to ANYONE then the worst case scenario is the feds somehow find the server and shut the site down. Then we simply re-build and keep business going as usual.

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How do you know his posts weren't deleted?  I'm saying I do know his posts were deleted because I saw it with my own eyes.  The quesiton is when did you read all his old posts?  Because if you read all his old posts today, you aren't seeing the full picture because posts did get deleted.

Those posts DID disappear.  It's concerning.

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« Reply #204 on: December 24, 2013, 09:23:22 pm »
excellent read.   I have no choice but to believe you.  Everything you said makes sense and could be legitimate. 

"The Sleepers"...  how are we sure that one of them isn't LE....  How many ppl are actually in control of the servers/sites with the old admins 'caught'...

I hope the road is back and working as scheduled, but for now i don't mind it being down. 


Lets remember if this all goes to shit (which is possible)  We all better have a backup plan to our backup plan. 

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« Reply #205 on: December 24, 2013, 09:59:09 pm »
Yup now I definitely think oracle is LE after this announcement. Everyone gets busted and this random comes on here promising us all kinds of things and has all this new info. Not buyin it.
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« Reply #206 on: December 24, 2013, 10:30:08 pm »
I don't know if I believe this story or it was just made up because some one likes stirring things up for some drama. Very interesting read if true or not true. Doesn't really matter to a small buyer like me.

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« Reply #207 on: December 24, 2013, 10:39:38 pm »
Tightrope skilfully walked :). I'll reiterate, though, that plea-bargaining does not necessarily mean deliberate betrayal of others (it's usually trading some charges for an agreement not to contest others) and there are other credible theories as to how LE may have tracked our fallen comrades.

That written, thank you very much for the explanation and the work you've be doing. I do rather prefer your current persona to your previous one ;)

Those posts DID disappear.  It's concerning.

As far as I've noticed, The FUD threads and posts were not deleted until after this announcement was announced. I expect this particular thread to be around for a while :D I'd also note V's partial confirmation, at least, as K1NG pointed out:
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« Reply #208 on: December 24, 2013, 10:44:40 pm »
It would have been nice if oracle had posted an SHA256 hash of the text that explained what was really going on before starting all his psy-ops...


 

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« Reply #209 on: December 24, 2013, 11:07:52 pm »

[trimmed quote for brevity...]

Consider this.  If DPR2 is such a technical whiz, like a whiz enough to create this site, and he is on the run, how difficult would it be for such a smart guy to take a laptop to starbucks, spoof a mac address, and post a message to us letting us know what's up?  You guys stopped demanding a response once the other mods came on and spoke on his behalf.  We should still be demanding to hear from DPR2 IMO.

Just have to disagree with you here my friend. We really should be demanding nothing from DPR2 - he's disappeared and for very good reason. I hope wherever the guy/gal is, he is completely safe. He initiated the emergency plans that were in place and, I like to hope, is home with his family enjoying the holiday as if this place never existed.

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« Reply #210 on: December 24, 2013, 11:43:31 pm »
That is good news, but I would ask.

When the site comes back in a few days, what about the indemic problems the main site has had pretty much from day thats just got worse since the site got busier.

Support can't keep up clearly, now Lib isn't there, scammer vendors are being allowed to carry on vending for weeks and MONTHS after it was reported on the forum by multiple people.

Raising dispute two days into a transaction and seven more since then and ultimately the deal auto finalises and scammer vendor gets the cash, just cos support isn't there, is too busy to respond. Seems any response we were getting was from Lib, with him gone that would leave dozens of "forum known" scammer vendors still getting free money every day and loads of the disputed transactions with these scammer vendors being allowed to auto finalise....cos no support there to respond within 17 days.

Chemmy has been great and I feel for him as he is apologising and I get they are doing their best, BUT I wonder if SR2.0 should be opening until the backlog of issues are addressed. Atm I don't trust the site with anyone where I don't 1 - know the vendor well 2 - have spoken to him beforehand 3 - ensure we are both online at the same time so funds transfer and it doesn't stay on too long in case it goes down.

I see all the ground work for a great site and forum, but lack of support and any REAL dispute process and no one BANNING scammer vendors (I mean ones with PAGES of 1/5 "scammer" type feedback - still with active listings). Until these things are fixed and there is enough people there to clear backlog and cope going forward, I'd rather see the site stay closed and reopen once these issues are addressed as its undermining the integrity of a site and movement I love.

I know there's dozens more in the same boat (as evidenced by the ongoing support response issues - clearly Lib was never going to be able to cope alone. When it reopens, I figure there needs to be AT LEAST 3 times as much back of house support than there was).

Your post sounds like all good news, but I know alot of longer term members would rather see it stay closed a few days longer and reopen HONESTLY ready for business, than opening cos DPR2 said he would on that day and go striaght back to same old problems (only worse cos now Lib isn't there either and no one is there).

Glad to hear there is a pulse though. I'd miss SR if it went under.
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« Reply #211 on: December 24, 2013, 11:53:09 pm »
That is good news, but I would ask.

When the site comes back in a few days, what about the indemic problems the main site has had pretty much from day thats just got worse since the site got busier.

Support can't keep up clearly, now Lib isn't there, scammer vendors are being allowed to carry on vending for weeks and MONTHS after it was reported on the forum by multiple people.

Raising dispute two days into a transaction and seven more since then and ultimately the deal auto finalises and scammer vendor gets the cash, just cos support isn't there, is too busy to respond. Seems any response we were getting was from Lib, with him gone that would leave dozens of "forum known" scammer vendors still getting free money every day and loads of the disputed transactions with these scammer vendors being allowed to auto finalise....cos no support there to respond within 17 days.

Chemmy has been great and I feel for him as he is apologising and I get they are doing their best, BUT I wonder if SR2.0 should be opening until the backlog of issues are addressed. Atm I don't trust the site with anyone where I don't 1 - know the vendor well 2 - have spoken to him beforehand 3 - ensure we are both online at the same time so funds transfer and it doesn't stay on too long in case it goes down.

I see all the ground work for a great site and forum, but lack of support and any REAL dispute process and no one BANNING scammer vendors (I mean ones with PAGES of 1/5 "scammer" type feedback - still with active listings). Until these things are fixed and there is enough people there to clear backlog and cope going forward, I'd rather see the site stay closed and reopen once these issues are addressed as its undermining the integrity of a site and movement I love.

I know there's dozens more in the same boat (as evidenced by the ongoing support response issues - clearly Lib was never going to be able to cope alone. When it reopens, I figure there needs to be AT LEAST 3 times as much back of house support than there was).

Your post sounds like all good news, but I know alot of longer term members would rather see it stay closed a few days longer and reopen HONESTLY ready for business, than opening cos DPR2 said he would on that day and go striaght back to same old problems (only worse cos now Lib isn't there either and no one is there).

Glad to hear there is a pulse though. I'd miss SR if it went under.

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« Reply #212 on: December 24, 2013, 11:54:56 pm »
That is good news, but I would ask.

When the site comes back in a few days, what about the indemic problems the main site has had pretty much from day thats just got worse since the site got busier.

Support can't keep up clearly, now Lib isn't there, scammer vendors are being allowed to carry on vending for weeks and MONTHS after it was reported on the forum by multiple people.

Raising dispute two days into a transaction and seven more since then and ultimately the deal auto finalises and scammer vendor gets the cash, just cos support isn't there, is too busy to respond. Seems any response we were getting was from Lib, with him gone that would leave dozens of "forum known" scammer vendors still getting free money every day and loads of the disputed transactions with these scammer vendors being allowed to auto finalise....cos no support there to respond within 17 days.

Chemmy has been great and I feel for him as he is apologising and I get they are doing their best, BUT I wonder if SR2.0 should be opening until the backlog of issues are addressed. Atm I don't trust the site with anyone where I don't 1 - know the vendor well 2 - have spoken to him beforehand 3 - ensure we are both online at the same time so funds transfer and it doesn't stay on too long in case it goes down.

I see all the ground work for a great site and forum, but lack of support and any REAL dispute process and no one BANNING scammer vendors (I mean ones with PAGES of 1/5 "scammer" type feedback - still with active listings). Until these things are fixed and there is enough people there to clear backlog and cope going forward, I'd rather see the site stay closed and reopen once these issues are addressed as its undermining the integrity of a site and movement I love.

I know there's dozens more in the same boat (as evidenced by the ongoing support response issues - clearly Lib was never going to be able to cope alone. When it reopens, I figure there needs to be AT LEAST 3 times as much back of house support than there was).

Your post sounds like all good news, but I know alot of longer term members would rather see it stay closed a few days longer and reopen HONESTLY ready for business, than opening cos DPR2 said he would on that day and go striaght back to same old problems (only worse cos now Lib isn't there either and no one is there).

Glad to hear there is a pulse though. I'd miss SR if it went under.

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« Reply #213 on: December 25, 2013, 12:16:19 am »
Oracle I can see you writing a post in this thread, please answer this

I am posting this from another thread


ANYONE who has given their dox to DPR1/ or 2 should be on a plane and the hell out of here by now.

Be assured that nobody gave their doxx to DPR2. He learned lessons from DPR1's foolishness and was adamantly against ever sharing personal details.

This. DPR2 had told me personally that if he was ever captured, there's no way anyone or the site would be endangerd because his policeis regarding staff were different then his predecessor. The sad part is, Libertas/Inigo/SSBD and even DPR2 and the rest never thought DPR1 (or his laptop) would lead to more SR1 based arrests. But the fact of the matter is, DPR2's policy regarding staff did not involve them giving him their doxx.. and to be frank I honestly did not know his exact policy as I am and never was staff.. but he had told me that from a security and OPSEC standpoint, he was confident SR2 and the entire system would never be compromised as such.
This is not true. Also, a point in which I am speaking to defcon about interestingly enough...

I am not saying anything definitive, as of yet.

You have just contridicted yourself. Did you not say in your story these are just some cut out point:

2) A plan was put in place to have a few “Sleepers” in the crowd. This was a contingency plan in the event of DPR2 or SR2’s capture/seizure. The key element was to be a “sleeper”, it had to be someone that Ross/DPR1 never had any doxx on. The job of the sleeper mods were to integrate themselves into the community, maintain a good reputation and gain respect/trust, never buy/vend, and only “be activated” if shit hit the fan. The “sleeper admins” job was to run the servers. They’d regroup and immediately either re-construct SR, the forums or both.
3) A plan was put into play to spread disinformation on the forums for LE/haters/trolls/competition and other nay-sayers. Psy-ops.


This week you’ve seen a few “sleepers” get promoted as moderators. You’ve seen a sleeper admin take over entire control of the forums and site. This can’t be stressed enough, the sleepers (mods and admin(s)) have absolutely 0 connection to Ross Ulbricht. None. He had no information/doxx on them, and they’re absolutely removed from his reach. This team was formed while he was sitting behind bars. Unfortunately, the last remaining vestige of Ross (or his laptops) potential damage were Lib/Inigo/SSBD.
Cirrus and ChemCat have always been mods and therefore never had to hand over their doxx to anyone. Even DPR2 had no connection to Ross, and Ross would be unable to identify him as he was chosen later. DPR2 is smart however, and it’s very likely he’s halfway around the world by now. However, the first few days, everyone involved, had a responsibility to

A)Gauge the damage done by the recent wave of arrests
B)Make sure the “sleepers” and backup mechanism were activated properly and with precision
C)Play a round of psy-ops to protect DPR2 while he had enough time to wipe his slate clean
From this you seem to say that the admins saw the doxx being with ross as a problem before forming 2.0. Yet you say here that "The sad part is, Libertas/Inigo/SSBD and even DPR2 and the rest never thought DPR1 (or his laptop) would lead to more SR1 based arrests."

So they never thought and they also planned for it?
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« Reply #214 on: December 25, 2013, 12:27:44 am »
Awesome read man, thanks for the info.

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« Reply #215 on: December 25, 2013, 12:41:14 am »
"Sleeper"...Sounds better than my previously being "part of the backup plan".
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« Reply #216 on: December 25, 2013, 12:43:18 am »
Well, I'm glad most people have everything cleared up and their questions answered. And as I said in the past, theres a lot of shit I can't get into and explain because it would seriously piss off the powers that be everyone has worked so hard first in October gettings things running again, and now regrouping and doing damage assesment after the new wave of arrests.

Let me address a couple things - everyone is human, right? Even people with the strongest sense of OPSEC and practical security.. are human. When an operation that has many moving parts, several official (and unofficial) stakeholders, and everyone performing/tasked a specific role..even in GOOD times there are miscommunications and "lag". Not to mention the fact that people are in different time zones. Anyone who's been in an organization (wether legal or illegal) knows that getting all the stakeholders on the same page, at the same time, with the same message can be hard. Now, take into account unknown variables thrown into the mix quite suddenly (Libertas's arrest for SR1 activities + DPR2 making a conscious decision to clean house and go dark), and now it becomes exponentially harder for everyone to be on the same page of the same script at the same time! Theres some tinfoil on the forums.. and that's always been the case. But please folks, also be realistic. DPR2 told Eiley from AllThingsVice that he was not gonna be sticking around. I'll get my head chopped off for speaking in detail about it, but from a techincal point, DPR2 did what he privately had said he'd do to allow contiuum from an admin POV. And most importantly, had DPR2 been comrpomised and/or taken, it'd be in the news. It's not, because thankfully he's not. Just know, that it does take certain amount of time coordinating with an entire team across different timezones, during the holidays, and making sure everyone sticks to the same plan agreed upon months ago.. it's not like people can jump on a conference call and wrap up the process steps in 15 minutes (on the heels of knowing 3 of your comarades just got busted worldwide). This is not IBM or Amazon.

Someone mentioned "I saw this post and then it was deleted". Yes..because when you go back and read something or somebody elses catches somethign that shouldn't be publicly viewable and breaks opsec, it gets deleted! This place has eyes on it 24/7, make no mistake about it. There's a very brief window you get to remove something you realize would only give fuel to your enemy. Not sure how better I can spell it out for ya.

Someone else brings up the point of "you were screaming and making a huge fuss in October, you were screaming and making a huge fuss a few days ago, etc etc" Right.. I'm laying it all out now. From the beginning, the goal was to have a "gruntled insider" (not staff) who was (to an outsider/LE's POV) close enough to people in official positions, yet was not worried about retribution/reprisal in case he did go rogue. Initially, the idea of having an actual staff member make grumblings and express misgivings seemed improbable.. but having a "friendly" who would teeter between "loyal" and "disgruntled"  would be an interesting experiment in weeding out the enemies intentions, and also be a source of credibility in the event of a catasrophe, to buy everyone some time to regroup while creating a massive distraction. Most of you get this.. but that's the crux of the matter.

And finally, the issue of "drama" & "threatrics": Someone wrote "It would have been nice if oracle had posted an SHA256 hash of the text that explained what was really going on before starting all his psy-ops..."  And to be very frank, yes, I should have. I honestly didn't think about that, but that would have been spot on. I did make a few threads with "I will be making an important announcement" or "I will shed some light" .. but I should have taken it a step further and posted a SHA256 hash. You must realize, it's a monumental task doing damage assesment, coordinating with many people across many borders, and making sure everyone "sticks to the script" yet tweak it as you go. But come on guys, I think everyone did a pretty good job? I was posting at will, yet mods and Def weren't deleting my posts, and explicitly not adressing them/me. The goal was to seriously distract. Backstage however, there was a lot of back&forth on when to make sure all loose ends are tied up and the site infrastructure is sound. When I was told everything was triple tested and there's confidence that SR2 is fine, and the scope of the arrests were only SR1 related, and DPR2 was not compromised (and had taken certain measures to make sure Defcon has no issues), then I could kill the act.  If I was really some lunatic Coachella type (*shudders*).. you'd all know it by now. I'm just a friend with benefits :)

I hope the community's at ease and knows that SR2 is completely safe, for the interm time period Defcon is running the show (and I can vouche for his/her competence as I have had complex conversations with him/her that date back months.. he/she knows their shit), Cirrus, ChemCa,t V, and DoctorClu are the only moderators that the community will deal with, and every one of these people is absolutely un-tainted/outside the scope of Ross/SR1 in any way.

And the most important thing - EVERYONE is responsible for their own security! When the site resumes, or even during Christmas break on the forums, always, ALWAYS be pro-active with your security. Use PGP only, make sure javascript is turned off in Tor, think before you type, and maintain good OPSEC. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if 1 person or 10 people are running Silk Road. If you're practicing standard security you're pretty much 99.9999999% safe.

You all have a Merry Christmas, while keeping our fallen comrades in your prayers and thoughts, and reflect hard on how amazing it is that we have such a brilliant thing known as "Silk Road" .. that's been tested and put under massive stress, yet it's still around and will hopefully be around a long time. And by Silk Road, I don't mean SR1 or SR2 or the site/forums/servers whatever. I really mean this fucking awesome community. Forum peeps,vendors, buyers, lurkers, jounrnalists, trolls and everyone else. We are part of living history.
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« Reply #217 on: December 25, 2013, 12:47:48 am »
"Sleeper"...Sounds better than my previously being "part of the backup plan".

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« Reply #218 on: December 25, 2013, 12:50:10 am »
Well, I'm glad most people have everything cleared up and their questions answered. And as I said in the past, theres a lot of shit I can't get into and explain because it would seriously piss off the powers that be everyone has worked so hard first in October gettings things running again, and now regrouping and doing damage assesment after the new wave of arrests.

Let me address a couple things - everyone is human, right? Even people with the strongest sense of OPSEC and practical security.. are human. When an operation that has many moving parts, several official (and unofficial) stakeholders, and everyone performing/tasked a specific role..even in GOOD times there are miscommunications and "lag". Not to mention the fact that people are in different time zones. Anyone who's been in an organization (wether legal or illegal) knows that getting all the stakeholders on the same page, at the same time, with the same message can be hard. Now, take into account unknown variables thrown into the mix quite suddenly (Libertas's arrest for SR1 activities + DPR2 making a conscious decision to clean house and go dark), and now it becomes exponentially harder for everyone to be on the same page of the same script at the same time! Theres some tinfoil on the forums.. and that's always been the case. But please folks, also be realistic. DPR2 told Eiley from AllThingsVice that he was not gonna be sticking around. I'll get my head chopped off for speaking in detail about it, but from a techincal point, DPR2 did what he privately had said he'd do to allow contiuum from an admin POV. And most importantly, had DPR2 been comrpomised and/or taken, it'd be in the news. It's not, because thankfully he's not. Just know, that it does take certain amount of time coordinating with an entire team across different timezones, during the holidays, and making sure everyone sticks to the same plan agreed upon months ago.. it's not like people can jump on a conference call and wrap up the process steps in 15 minutes (on the heels of knowing 3 of your comarades just got busted worldwide). This is not IBM or Amazon.

Someone mentioned "I saw this post and then it was deleted". Yes..because when you go back and read something or somebody elses catches somethign that shouldn't be publicly viewable and breaks opsec, it gets deleted! This place has eyes on it 24/7, make no mistake about it. There's a very brief window you get to remove something you realize would only give fuel to your enemy. Not sure how better I can spell it out for ya.

Someone else brings up the point of "you were screaming and making a huge fuss in October, you were screaming and making a huge fuss a few days ago, etc etc" Right.. I'm laying it all out now. From the beginning, the goal was to have a "gruntled insider" (not staff) who was (to an outsider/LE's POV) close enough to people in official positions, yet was not worried about retribution/reprisal in case he did go rogue. Initially, the idea of having an actual staff member make grumblings and express misgivings seemed improbable.. but having a "friendly" who would teeter between "loyal" and "disgruntled"  would be an interesting experiment in weeding out the enemies intentions, and also be a source of credibility in the event of a catasrophe, to buy everyone some time to regroup while creating a massive distraction. Most of you get this.. but that's the crux of the matter.

And finally, the issue of "drama" & "threatrics": Someone wrote "It would have been nice if oracle had posted an SHA256 hash of the text that explained what was really going on before starting all his psy-ops..."  And to be very frank, yes, I should have. I honestly didn't think about that, but that would have been spot on. I did make a few threads with "I will be making an important announcement" or "I will shed some light" .. but I should have taken it a step further and posted a SHA256 hash. You must realize, it's a monumental task doing damage assesment, coordinating with many people across many borders, and making sure everyone "sticks to the script" yet tweak it as you go. But come on guys, I think everyone did a pretty good job? I was posting at will, yet mods and Def weren't deleting my posts, and explicitly not adressing them/me. The goal was to seriously distract. Backstage however, there was a lot of back&forth on when to make sure all loose ends are tied up and the site infrastructure is sound. When I was told everything was triple tested and there's confidence that SR2 is fine, and the scope of the arrests were only SR1 related, and DPR2 was not compromised (and had taken certain measures to make sure Defcon has no issues), then I could kill the act.  If I was really some lunatic Coachella type (*shudders*).. you'd all know it by now. I'm just a friend with benefits :)

I hope the community's at ease and knows that SR2 is completely safe, for the interm time period Defcon is running the show (and I can vouche for his/her competence as I have had complex conversations with him/her that date back months.. he/she knows their shit), Cirrus, ChemCa,t V, and DoctorClu are the only moderators that the community will deal with, and every one of these people is absolutely un-tainted/outside the scope of Ross/SR1 in any way.

And the most important thing - EVERYONE is responsible for their own security! When the site resumes, or even during Christmas break on the forums, always, ALWAYS be pro-active with your security. Use PGP only, make sure javascript is turned off in Tor, think before you type, and maintain good OPSEC. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if 1 person or 10 people are running Silk Road. If you're practicing standard security you're pretty much 99.9999999% safe.

You all have a Merry Christmas, while keeping our fallen comrades in your prayers and thoughts, and reflect hard on how amazing it is that we have such a brilliant thing known as "Silk Road" .. that's been tested and put under massive stress, yet it's still around and will hopefully be around a long time. And by Silk Road, I don't mean SR1 or SR2 or the site/forums/servers whatever. I really mean this fucking awesome community. Forum peeps,vendors, buyers, lurkers, jounrnalists, trolls and everyone else. We are part of living history.
Re-read and modify this post. You gave up a little bit of info that threatens your securty. At least now I am certain
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« Reply #219 on: December 25, 2013, 12:51:26 am »
Well I hope that is correct.

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« Reply #220 on: December 25, 2013, 12:52:39 am »
I mean I hope Oracle is correct.

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« Reply #221 on: December 25, 2013, 12:57:07 am »
All you people behind the scenes at SR corporate towers just so I can buy a bag of weed,  Merry Christmas.

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« Reply #222 on: December 25, 2013, 01:21:17 am »
What exactly was the goal to spread FUD? All you did was publicize information further identifying the structure of SR and make the market seem even less trustworthy.

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« Reply #223 on: December 25, 2013, 01:23:38 am »
All I guess I am saying Oracle is that while site is down and restructure is taking place seems the perfect time to get all the problems with initial site (problems that were in place PRIOR to any arrests or w/evs) ironed out and RE- LAUNCH with a proper Support system in place. A proper Transaction Dispute section (a la SR1.0) available  (ie when a dispute is raised it should not just be a "msg to support" but a separate section that brings the parties together and seeks resolution. The site was trying to do too much while actually live imho, can'y be implementing things like "cancel order after 4 days" and "dispute transaction" and "auto finalise" two months after launch. All that needs to happen prior to site going live.

Now is the perfect chance to iron out all these gaps that make the SR2 site only partially functional when compared with any other site or SR1.0. If it takes a few days longer than 28th, better that than relaunch with scammers everywhere getting away with what they please since no one is there to pull down their listings, disputed transactions ALL being sorted due to auto finalisation cos 17 days comes faster than a response to the ticket.

Otherwise I fear the site won't keep its creditability much longer, not cos of arrests and so on but just because there are too many structural flaws in the operational side of the site.

I'm coming from the pov of someone who wants it to work and wants more than anything to see it succeed. I don't like seeing a newbie make a purchase, get told they must not FE, so don't, the vendor is one of many scammers but they just get no result so assume there is NO back of house on the main site, just poor Chemcat apologising and ongoing "please resend any dispute or tickeet not answered in 24 hours" (a disputed transaction shouldn't even BE a PM to support, it should be like 1.0 AND go to a new disputed transaction screen and everything goes on hold and auto fin date extended while all parties respondved through support and its resolved/ delivered/ refunded), instead that doesn't happen and heaps of buyers out there now have auto finalisation rates of 20%+ cos they never had their dispute looked at in time).

Idk just to me the worst thing SR2.0 can do is reopen with all these flaws still in place PLUS THE FACT Libertas isn't there anymore.
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« Reply #224 on: December 25, 2013, 01:50:36 am »
this whole episode is getting a bit to animal farmish for me.....

which version?  :o
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if my memory serves me well ( i have been smoking ]...the version where the pigs keep on changing the rules on the wall...you know when they are fucking with all the animals or subjects.......

who can really say for sure who is writing what and why and where....
all these names and alias's can or could be any tom..dick or harry.....

I love the road I love what we have built here....but this is all getting a bit to soap opera-ish...
can we just get back to buying and selling and simply being........

maybe its the concept or us the conceivers ...anyway stay safe and enjoy the holidays
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« Reply #225 on: December 25, 2013, 02:14:29 am »
I had a feeling that everything was going to be alright. The worst part of this whole thing is the arrests that were made on guys from SR1.0. (That shows that LE was making their last round-up). Everything is going to be okay because we have a very STRONG community, that believes in what we are doing, we are literally making history guys. I think it is a good thing that the site is down for Christmas break, gives the admins and mods time to upgrade security, and gives everyone else a well deserved break.

Also, everyone must realize, the people who are at the top of this thing, they are not trying to keep us in the dark, nor do they want us to panic. You must understand that sometimes no information and diss-information is needed at times like this. And anyone who is upsett with DPR2, don't be. Put yourself in his shoes, you would be halfway around the world right now sitting in a non-extradition country too if you were him.

People have also been seeing a lot of other "wanna-be silkroad sites" popping up lately. That is because there are people out there that want this site to fail, so they can step in and profit from it. But you must understand, one of the biggest things that keeps SR2.0 alive is the community we have. The governments "war on drugs" has been an utter failure. People, we are going to win this thing!

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« Reply #226 on: December 25, 2013, 02:17:18 am »
So hopefully the next wave of sleeper mods/admins has already been established?  Also how do we prevent LE from getting one of their guys to be a trusted sleeper admin?
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« Reply #227 on: December 25, 2013, 02:29:49 am »
I had a feeling that everything was going to be alright. The worst part of this whole thing is the arrests that were made on guys from SR1.0. (That shows that LE was making their last round-up). Everything is going to be okay because we have a very STRONG community, that believes in what we are doing, we are literally making history guys. I think it is a good thing that the site is down for Christmas break, gives the admins and mods time to upgrade security, and gives everyone else a well deserved break.

Also, everyone must realize, the people who are at the top of this thing, they are not trying to keep us in the dark, nor do they want us to panic. You must understand that sometimes no information and diss-information is needed at times like this. And anyone who is upsett with DPR2, don't be. Put yourself in his shoes, you would be halfway around the world right now sitting in a non-extradition country too if you were him.

People have also been seeing a lot of other "wanna-be silkroad sites" popping up lately. That is because there are people out there that want this site to fail, so they can step in and profit from it. But you must understand, one of the biggest things that keeps SR2.0 alive is the community we have. The governments "war on drugs" has been an utter failure. People, we are going to win this thing!

++++++WE ARE MAKING HISTORY+++++++

+1 for most of that, although having a good number of other markets out there is good for all.
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« Reply #228 on: December 25, 2013, 02:38:55 am »
I was reading yesterday and you were telling me and everyone STAY THE FUCK AWAY??? Now to tonight everything is ok I'm just so confused at this point :/ I don't mean to sound weird but you did do a 360 please tell more on why you did a 360

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« Reply #229 on: December 25, 2013, 02:39:11 am »
I gotta say, after reading the OP it does make a lot of sense and makes me think we may actually have a future on here again.

Defcon was talking about doing a lot of coding improvements while the site was down amongst other things which really sounds encouraging. The problem is i feel ive been let down so many times now from these markets i was almost ready to leave it all behind.

I now have a small amount of hope that we may get back to the old days again. Of course things could go crazy again sometime in the future for different reasons but im starting to think that the new SR2.0 is a LOT more secure than we ever thought because if it wasnt after all the stuff thats been happening LE would have simply taken it down by now if they had access. I dont think they would have any interest in keeping a site open, facilitating the use and sale of drugs when they can have headline news again by pulling the plug and shutting it down. Its a win for them, they get their promotions or whatever and move onto the next case.

I'm starting to think that we could be ok for a little while longer yet. We did shut shop and remove our listings but they are back up now and we hope that we can continue to to serve the SR2.0 community.

I dont fully trust it all just yet but i have a little faith and im willing to give it a chance, lets see how we go this time round.
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« Reply #230 on: December 25, 2013, 02:54:25 am »
I was reading yesterday and you were telling me and everyone STAY THE FUCK AWAY??? Now to tonight everything is ok I'm just so confused at this point :/ I don't mean to sound weird but you did do a 360 please tell more on why you did a 360

Did you even read the OP?
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« Reply #231 on: December 25, 2013, 02:58:50 am »
I was reading yesterday and you were telling me and everyone STAY THE FUCK AWAY??? Now to tonight everything is ok I'm just so confused at this point :/ I don't mean to sound weird but you did do a 360 please tell more on why you did a 360

Did you even read the OP?
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« Reply #232 on: December 25, 2013, 03:09:28 am »
The decision to drop subtle and not so subtle hints that DPR2 is Astor, DPR2 is Stexo, DPR2 is Scout, to check your PIN# on the site to make sure BTC was still there was done to mind-fuck those who wish to see SR shut down and break the spirit of this community....
I don't know if this is bullshit or you just appear to be terrible at supporting the spirit of the community. I think you should go back to the "sleeper" role and try not to post much if you have SR's best wishes at heart. I'm not going to read this thread as I already wasted enough time on Super-Important-revelations-we-can't-miss that never seem to arrive or matter in the slightest. Just my opinion.
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Re: *Important Anouncement* op updated
« Reply #233 on: December 25, 2013, 03:24:40 am »
Oracle is an Idiot.

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« Reply #234 on: December 25, 2013, 03:30:58 am »
I was reading yesterday and you were telling me and everyone STAY THE FUCK AWAY??? Now to tonight everything is ok I'm just so confused at this point :/ I don't mean to sound weird but you did do a 360 please tell more on why you did a 360

It's all explained in the OP :D

You've been watching a show. oracle was acting, playing a role from the start which culminated in their performance over the last few days. Now it's over and they can take the mask off :)

I now have a small amount of hope that we may get back to the old days again. Of course things could go crazy again sometime in the future for different reasons but im starting to think that the new SR2.0 is a LOT more secure than we ever thought because if it wasnt after all the stuff thats been happening LE would have simply taken it down by now if they had access.…

The old days are gone but fresh new days are ahead of us. And, yes, some of them are also likely to be crazy, for the forces opposed to the likes of SR aren't likely to rest. But... Anything for a weird life, eh? ;)

I don't know if this is bullshit or you just appear to be terrible at supporting the spirit of the community. I think you should go back to the "sleeper" role and try not to post much if you have SR's best wishes at heart. I'm not going to read this thread as I already wasted enough time on Super-Important-revelations-we-can't-miss that never seem to arrive or matter in the slightest. Just my opinion.

oracle wasn't a sleeper. They played a different part :)
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« Reply #235 on: December 25, 2013, 03:33:58 am »
So hopefully the next wave of sleeper mods/admins has already been established?  Also how do we prevent LE from getting one of their guys to be a trusted sleeper admin?

This is a good question. The more mods/admins that are caught the mods/admins are needed to replace them. We've witnessed a few new mods get promoted, there's Defcon (who the hell is Defcon anyway?) and we still don't have a new DPR but I assume the 'high council' of Defcon and the new mods will pick a new DPR to be our DPR3 just as DPR2 was chosen.

But the more people we promote into trusted roles... the greater the chance that someone from LE will get chosen. LE have been on SR1/SR2 for a very long time, quite possibly 1-2+ years now. They've likely had people on these forums try to slowly build up trust over a long period of time in the hope that one day one of them will get 'chosen' so to speak. Even if none of them ever get an admin role but only a mod role, they will still get access to every forum on here and allow them to read a whole lot more than they currently have access to.... and this is a real worry in my honest opinion.

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« Reply #236 on: December 25, 2013, 03:40:25 am »
Would it put any of you at ease to tell you that I am not LE? I'm not LE.
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« Reply #237 on: December 25, 2013, 03:47:01 am »
But that's just what LE would say!

Therefore DoctorClu must be LE!

And as those who point the finger are most suspect that means...

Oh my God...

I must be LE as well! :o

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« Reply #238 on: December 25, 2013, 04:21:36 am »
aussieoutlaw has identified me as an FBI agent named Tarbell.


Alright, ya got me too. Bad night for all the LE around here.

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« Reply #239 on: December 25, 2013, 04:57:06 am »
With this shit show, I just don't know how seriously I can take this site.  I'm on the sidelines looking in. 

Merry Christmas everybody.  A thought out to the admins and mods we learned to trust that are now gone.  My heart bleeds for these fellas.  Martyrs.

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« Reply #240 on: December 25, 2013, 05:35:39 am »
1) '' The next contender up was StExo. StExo never “laundered SR’s money” as someone wrote on the forums.  Stexo was a security genius though, so that option was also kicked around for being the new DPR. StExo declined because he said he didn’t need the money as he had made a fuckton of dough over the past few decades and didn’t really have the time because he was semi retired and wasn’t interested in meeting the same fate DPR1 did''

Does StExo really speak like someone who has wealth accumulated over the course of a few decades?  If so wealthy, why did he offer his services for bulk marijuana in the UK and have a vendor account selling xanax at one point?  I havn't followed it much as I was not interested.  People may still suspect this is DPR 2 or involved in the making of SR 2.  His affiliation with a vendor offering fake university degrees additionally brings huge question marks above his head and can anyone answer the above concerns?  He seems young in his writing and th eonly reason I care is if he is associated with SR2 as his credentials are too suspicious.  I find no one ever answers the above which increases my suspicions ad it is lost in a sea of ''SR rules'' from 12 year old fans.

2) Why has DPR 2 supposedly disappeared and this ''sleeper'' action plan gone into force?  Lib/SSBD/Inigo according to you were captured from the fallout from SR1.  Their real ID's were known by DPR and possibly stored on his comp.  When SR2 was being started, surely hiring the same 3 admins was always gna run a huge risk if DPR talked/the info was on the comps.  Knowing Ross's opsec he may have even written it on the fridge!  Those 3 getting arrested you say is not to do with vulnerabilities in the new site so where is the need for DPR 2 to leave?

Legacy arrests of 3 admins who have been hired with full knowledge they may get arrested as the old captain in custody has their dox (possibly on hardware seized as well) has caused DPR2 to vanish and retire weeks after SR 2 opens.  Now I personally would never take the risk some people take in this mission but what happens when there is actually real threats in the future?  Jump ship and have this drama again?  Surely those mods getting arrested was a high probability.






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« Reply #241 on: December 25, 2013, 05:48:11 am »
1) '' The next contender up was StExo. StExo never “laundered SR’s money” as someone wrote on the forums.  Stexo was a security genius though, so that option was also kicked around for being the new DPR. StExo declined because he said he didn’t need the money as he had made a fuckton of dough over the past few decades and didn’t really have the time because he was semi retired and wasn’t interested in meeting the same fate DPR1 did''

Does StExo really speak like someone who has wealth accumulated over the course of a few decades?  If so wealthy, why did he offer his services for bulk marijuana in the UK and have a vendor account selling xanax at one point?  I havn't followed it much as I was not interested.  People may still suspect this is DPR 2 or involved in the making of SR 2.  His affiliation with a vendor offering fake university degrees additionally brings huge question marks above his head and can anyone answer the above concerns?  He seems young in his writing and th eonly reason I care is if he is associated with SR2 as his credentials are too suspicious.  I find no one ever answers the above which increases my suspicions ad it is lost in a sea of ''SR rules'' from 12 year old fans.

2) Why has DPR 2 supposedly disappeared and this ''sleeper'' action plan gone into force?  Lib/SSBD/Inigo according to you were captured from the fallout from SR1.  Their real ID's were known by DPR and possibly stored on his comp.  When SR2 was being started, surely hiring the same 3 admins was always gna run a huge risk if DPR talked/the info was on the comps.  Knowing Ross's opsec he may have even written it on the fridge!  Those 3 getting arrested you say is not to do with vulnerabilities in the new site so where is the need for DPR 2 to leave?

Legacy arrests of 3 admins who have been hired with full knowledge they may get arrested as the old captain in custody has their dox (possibly on hardware seized as well) has caused DPR2 to vanish and retire weeks after SR 2 opens.  Now I personally would never take the risk some people take in this mission but what happens when there is actually real threats in the future?  Jump ship and have this drama again?  Surely those mods getting arrested was a high probability.

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« Reply #242 on: December 25, 2013, 05:53:05 am »
I am Loosely Engaged?............will that do?

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« Reply #243 on: December 25, 2013, 05:55:10 am »
Perhaps if DPR has gone and the site is still running, then the lesson is that we, ( the ones who use the site properly and honestly ), the community, all are indeed DPR. Then again perhaps i smoke too much:-)
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« Reply #244 on: December 25, 2013, 06:05:38 am »
I don't understand DPR's announcement saying that if he hasn't logged on in 24 hours, then his account has been compromised. Unless that was another planned mindfuck, I don't see why he would put that out there knowing full well that he wasn't going to be signing in again. But Oracle is obviously legit, so i'm assuming it was behind the scenes stuff
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« Reply #245 on: December 25, 2013, 07:11:27 am »
Would it put any of you at ease to tell you that I am not LE? I'm not LE.

That's EXACTLY what LE would say, DoctorClu!!1!  I've got my eye on you  ??? :o ;)
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« Reply #246 on: December 25, 2013, 07:29:38 am »
You guys keep saying that no one on SR2 is compromised, but the issue of DPR2's account being compromised still needs to be answered.

What was up with the key change? This combined with his lack of his communication to other staff members implies that his account was taken over by LE.

Would you please clarify what is the status with his forum account and why there are suddenly a *lot* of forum threads/posts missing?
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« Reply #247 on: December 25, 2013, 08:10:57 am »
Because of (what we assume) is Ross’s cooperation (as mentioned in several news articles) and his attorneys strategy to resolve the case ASAP, Libertas/Inigo/SSBD were all nailed.

Do you have links to any articles that say Ross is co-operating by giving people up? All I've seen is that his lawyer is negotiating a plea deal. That just means pleading guilty to some charges in return for having other charges dropped.
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« Reply #248 on: December 25, 2013, 08:16:04 am »
The speculation stems from the identities of his admin team being handed over to the authorities.

There's absolutely NOTHING to say that Ross gave them up. As we all are now keenly aware he was not a master of securing information. My gut says they got the ID docs from some storage media or his laptop.

That is just my gut though. I prefer to think Ross would not hand down life-ruining damnation onto those he was closest with, but I don't know the man personally and so cannot vouch for him one way or another.

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« Reply #249 on: December 25, 2013, 08:39:59 am »
Do u really think a guy like Ross facing life behind bars living a shitty life forever wouldn't be pressured/mind fucked to give up passwords at least? It's stated in many other threads that the mods arrested were doxxed by Ross. Do the math.
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« Reply #250 on: December 25, 2013, 08:47:12 am »
It is certainly a possibility - but you are incorrect sir. There is nothing anywhere stating "Ross gave up their dox or doxxed them."

Ross (allegedly DPR1) required his staff, at least the senior ones, to provide him their real identities to ensure their allegiance/loyalty/whatever. He very well may have said nothing and LE got it off his computer.

There is a difference...in one scenario, he willfully gave up his friends. In another scenario, LE picked the info off of his storage media or laptop which would not have been particularly difficult to do considering his lack of usage of even the most basic of security precautions in many cases.

What it comes down to is intentional ratting vs negligent disregard for information security. Neither puts him in an excellent light, mind you, but there is nothing official to prove he opened his mouth and until I see something to the contrary that is my opinion on the matter.

edit: To answer your implied question...were I in his situation, facing a life sentence, would I give up the names of three people who trusted me to protect them for a POSSIBLE reduction in sentence? I say absolutely not. Realistically, none of us really know what we would do and I pray we never have to be in the position to make that kind of decision.
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« Reply #251 on: December 25, 2013, 09:01:47 am »
I agree. I didn't say Ross snitched on them but they were known to the cops by getting into his computer (hence, password) or something of the sort. End result is, they were arrested coz Ross doxxed them. Snitch or not.

Here u go; realistically u said. U never know until shit hits the fan. It's easy to give the idealistic answers at the comfort of ur home w the drug of ur choice.
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« Reply #252 on: December 25, 2013, 09:08:07 am »
I really don't understand why any of this would have had to happen. Why wouldn't the successor just take over the DPR name and continue operations as normal. Nobody needed to even know that DPR2 was on the lamb, that seems like it would have been even more confusing to LE. The guy they are "chasing" isn't even the guy in control anymore? It seems as all of the dramatics did nothing but confuse/scare members of the community (and rightfully so). Why wasn't all of this done in private and without so much fanfare? What am I missing here?
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« Reply #253 on: December 25, 2013, 09:09:42 am »
I really don't understand why any of this would have had to happen. Why wouldn't the successor just take over the DPR name and continue operations as normal. Nobody needed to even know that DPR2 was on the lamb, that seems like it would have been even more confusing to LE. The guy they are "chasing" isn't even the guy in control anymore? It seems as all of the dramatics did nothing but confuse/scare members of the community (and rightfully so). Why wasn't all of this done in private and without so much fanfare? What am I missing here?

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« Reply #254 on: December 25, 2013, 09:11:54 am »
2) Why has DPR 2 supposedly disappeared and this ''sleeper'' action plan gone into force?  Lib/SSBD/Inigo according to you were captured from the fallout from SR1.  Their real ID's were known by DPR and possibly stored on his comp.  When SR2 was being started, surely hiring the same 3 admins was always gna run a huge risk if DPR talked/the info was on the comps.  Knowing Ross's opsec he may have even written it on the fridge!  Those 3 getting arrested you say is not to do with vulnerabilities in the new site so where is the need for DPR 2 to leave?

A reasonable explanation. it seems to me, would be that one or more of those recently arrested possibly knew things that could potentially endanger DPR.

Surely those mods getting arrested was a high probability.

It seems that, although anticipated as a possibility, the probability was considered quite remote.

What was up with the key change? This combined with his lack of his communication to other staff members implies that his account was taken over by LE.

Not at all. If his account had been taken over by LE then how was the fingerprint for the new key signed? And if LE had access to the old private key then what purpose would be served by generating a new one (other than any purpose that would be just as valid for DPR without any LE involvement)?

There's absolutely NOTHING to say that Ross gave them up. As we all are now keenly aware he was not a master of securing information. My gut says they got the ID docs from some storage media or his laptop.

That is just my gut though. I prefer to think Ross would not hand down life-ruining damnation onto those he was closest with, but I don't know the man personally and so cannot vouch for him one way or another.

+1 if I could ATM.

Here u go; realistically u said. U never know until shit hits the fan. It's easy to give the idealistic answers at the comfort of ur home w the drug of ur choice.

Some drugs can also inspire paranoid answers ;)
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« Reply #255 on: December 25, 2013, 09:30:53 am »
I really don't understand why any of this would have had to happen. Why wouldn't the successor just take over the DPR name and continue operations as normal. Nobody needed to even know that DPR2 was on the lamb, that seems like it would have been even more confusing to LE. The guy they are "chasing" isn't even the guy in control anymore? It seems as all of the dramatics did nothing but confuse/scare members of the community (and rightfully so). Why wasn't all of this done in private and without so much fanfare? What am I missing here?

this makes sense
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« Reply #256 on: December 25, 2013, 03:29:07 pm »
I really don't understand why any of this would have had to happen. Why wouldn't the successor just take over the DPR name and continue operations as normal. Nobody needed to even know that DPR2 was on the lamb, that seems like it would have been even more confusing to LE. The guy they are "chasing" isn't even the guy in control anymore? It seems as all of the dramatics did nothing but confuse/scare members of the community (and rightfully so). Why wasn't all of this done in private and without so much fanfare? What am I missing here?

this makes sense

The plan was to confuse LE as to who DPR2 was (StExo et al) in order to throw them off the scent and allow him to clean up and move if need be. To discuss this privately wouldn't have achieved this. The recent events have probably caused more disruption and confusion than is ideal, but so far it seems that everything has fallen into place, although time will only tell.

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« Reply #257 on: December 25, 2013, 04:33:52 pm »
1. Everybody who doesn't understand what was going on behind the scenes should read the "Important   
    Announcement" and the following « Reply #218 on: Today at 12:43:18 am ». If there are any more 
    questions ask yourself, if you really need to know everything what was/is going on?

2. Everybody who thinks he found some pieces not fitting perfectly in the puzzle: please keep it in your
    heart. Nobody's perfect, so their story can't be perfect too (but perhaps not every lose end is found be
    LE yet; so don't help 'em!)

3.  Imho they played it out very well! And for this plot it takes a lot of profound knowledge of how to run 
     such  operations. So we are in the best hands we can be - or in the worst :-)
   
The decision is up to you. But I do not want to believe that the LE is running such a market by themselves. If this would come to daylight then their careers are done!
They will try to compromise, to infiltrate - for sure! But they will not run such a market. Also it's not only an USA-business: if they would sell drugs by themselves (not only to US-citizens, but also in foreign countries), I am pretty sure countries all over the world would be very disappointed.
Imagine someone will die because of an Overdose and he bought it from seller "Tarball_BestGearOnEarth"?

Me in person, I'm very confident that this site will stay much longer than expected.
But also don't forget that the founders made a big mistake to put stuff from SR1 in high positions. I believe oracle that they all thought RU will keep his mouth shut and his computer was clean; but for me these are to many concerns to restart - but it was their decision (and it was a very expensive one - so sad I am :-( ).
But as stated: "nobody's perfect"!

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« Reply #258 on: December 25, 2013, 06:34:38 pm »
I think we are giving LE to much credit.
Most of the time they cannot find their ass with both hands

Only time they get lucky is when someone really fucks up and gives them a in

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« Reply #259 on: December 25, 2013, 07:53:26 pm »
Bravo. And Merry Christmas too!  :) :) :)

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The best news:
1)SR will be back after Christmas as regularly scheduled
2)We’re gonna fucking win this thing

I know this is a lot to soak in, but hopefully explains my cryptic “announcements” and other various confusing elements as to who’s in charge, is the site safe, etc etc

Theres a lot of stuff that had to be redacted from this essay as per OPSEC and SR’s policy, but know that everyone involved either overtly or covertly has nothing but the community’s interests at heart and love this place.

Ohyeah, Merry Christmas!

*PS - No questions about my role. Can’t answer. I can say I’m not an “employee” or an undercover mod/admin. I’m just a friend with benefits. Ok.. seriously. Think of Harvey Keitel’s role in “Pulp Fiction”. Cool fucking guy, aint he?

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Re: *Important Anouncement* op updated
« Reply #260 on: December 25, 2013, 08:44:50 pm »
Can someone recap what changed in the OP with todays edit?  That's a long read to go through again without having much idea what even changed.

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Re: *Important Anouncement* op updated
« Reply #261 on: December 25, 2013, 09:38:55 pm »
Can someone recap what changed in the OP with todays edit?  That's a long read to go through again without having much idea what even changed.

Save yourself some time and energy and see Nero's post, if you already haven't:

http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=11417.msg209325#msg209325

No drama, concise facts, endorsement by moderator V.

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Re: *Important Anouncement* op updated
« Reply #262 on: December 25, 2013, 09:45:12 pm »
Remember guys - nobody is ever going to know every single detail of every little (or big) thing that happens here. That's the nature of the beast in the world we live in. If it were possible to bare it all to the world with no worries or consequences then we wouldn't be talking on this forum accessable only through Tor... we'd be naked smoking peace pipes on a beach somewhere.

As much of the story as can be given within the realm of safety has been given because the commu