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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: hatter76 on April 15, 2012, 02:12 am
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Hello!
I have been working on my teks with the new Opana TRF "skittle" pills and there have been /some/ promising results!!!
So, is there any interest in the extracted Opana powder? It would be the 40mg ER pill that has been extracted and dried into a BINDER FREE powder!
This has NEVER been offered before! Also, this would mean that the powder would be >95% PURE OPANA/OXYMPRHONE! This can be VERY DANGEROUS to EVEN opiate NATIVE users! Opana is VERY strong!
So, at this point the experiments have had some good results but I need your input on the pricing and the way that we will offer the final product as there needs to be EXTREME caution when using in any form on such a pure extract.
Right now I get about 50% yield and use lots and lots of DRY ETOH (not cheap), but in the end, it's PURE, so there are no binders to hinder absorption at all! Even the Opana IR has binders unless it's filtered so with both ER and IR if you just crush and snort you get binders in your nose which lowers bio-availability. So if you take factors listed below into account:
-For the IR I would guess you get 70-90% actual opana in your system, so 7-9mg.
-For the ER (the old crushable kind) I would guess it's as low as 40% to 60% (If you perhaps do small lines, clear goo from nose and repeat, sounds like a pia to me to get just a little better absorption) that means 40mg*40%=16mg or 40mg*60%=24mg.
-Also remember the binders also slow down the absorption so people who snort know that the feeling from the ERs never kick in right away.
-This Oxymorphone extract has no binders and therefor eliminates all those issues!
**You should feel the "rush"right away when snorted!
**It's even clean enough to shoot but I wouldn't do it as there is still a very small about of binder (actually just the yellow coloring on the outside of the pill... but probably not the best for you) for just a little bit more you can get our IV solution which is filtered again resulting in a crystal clear liquid!
-I want to give this a fair price as it cost me a lot of time, effort, materials and tools to extract such a clean product. With only a 50% yield that means that I only get about 20mg from a 40mg pill (on a GOOD run). The old opana ERs are selling for upwards for $100! I'm thinking the fair price for this is somewhere just a little bit higher than a 10mg Opana IR pill would sell for.
**This is a deal because you have a "ready to use" product right when you get it!
**No crushing, no soaking, just use it right away!
Any feedback or thoughts are welcome, I would love to hear what people think of the price!
I plan on offering this 10mg at a time although that is VERY little mass, making it hard to work with, if I put it in a bag it will probably stick, in a vial might work but then you may get some stuck on the sides. Right now I'm thinking of offering it in bacteriostatic water which you can evaporate and scrape up. That way it would make it easier to measure as well. Suggestions? Thoughts? I always value your feedback!
Thanks!
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Hey!! I would be interested... I'm curious how many mg's of powder could be extracted from 1 40mg pill.. And is this powder snortable? As for pricing, I can see how the work and processing on your side could drive the price up... Really it would depend on how many mg's are yielded from 1 40mg pill.... And by the way, you and I have done LOTS of business... pretty sure you know who I am ;)
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Hi all, I'm new here but not new to the game....this sounds very interesting.....I'm curious about price as well.
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i would think the best way to do it would be to do the 24 hour soak (48 better probably) and then just remove any crap, filter and evap off all the water.
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Hi,
so far yield is only about 50% or less and with the new TRF ER the water extract does not work, too much gak gets into the water, if you read on my page I've put my results of a water extraction.
Only successful extraction where I get 98% pure opana powder is with 99.9% DRY ETOH, and that is more complicated than water ext.
So, I'm thinking the price might be set at 10mg of the powder at a time with it something possibly similar to the IV solution but a bit cheaper. Somewhere between an Opana IR and the IV solution. This is still a really good deal because of all the work that goes into an extraction.
But hopefully I can offer this product soon, once I am able to scale up and get a good yield of at least 50% or greater.
What do you guys think of that price?
Thanks!
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Hi,
I got an interesting PM that I think would be good for everyone to know as well...
QUOTE:
saw your on the forums about the Opana extract powder. This sounds great!
So there arent any fillers in the powder at all?
Is the TimerX is totally seperate from the oxymorphone?
The TimerX is what causes it to gel up correct? I believe this is why it fucks up everyones lungs and nose.
Will this powder gel up in your nose and is it safe to IV and have you had any experience with this?
END QUOTE
Here was my reply (Amended with more info ;)):
Hi,
This powder has no binders (TimerX, etc) in it at all. It is completely IV safe and if snorted will not gel up in your nose at all.
In fact this is what is used for our IV solution and is at least 95% pure Oxymorphone. What's even cooler is that when it is drying out you can see it crystallize into oxymorphone crystals just like very clean MDMA or meth.
The only difference for our IV solution that we sell is that it goes through yet another .22 micron filtration for an even cleaner and purer IV safe solution. This is AFTER we dry it from the ETOH extraction and recrystallization just to remove any trace water soluble binders and the very little dust that may have collected for even safer IV use.
Although just the straight extracted powder is just as good and clean as well, in fact it's clean enough to shoot directly as well, it's very much cleaner than ANY H that may be sold and any other extraction teks as we don't use a water soak tek but a DRY alcohol tek.
It's very cool to see because if you have ever used H you know that you have to cook it and it will "separate" before you cotton filter then shoot. With this you just add water and it melts into a clean solution that doesn't even need a cotton filter (although you can still use one if you want) but then the best way is to get the IV ready solution as it is filtered again until it is clear as water, which is better but cost a little more because we have to use another filter. But if you wan to snort the powder I can offer it for less because it skips a "non-IV liquid step" in my tek but has not effect on the ultimate end quality of > 97% pure!
This powder is basically the same as ordering pure Valium powder or xanax pharmaceutical grade powder!
Hopefully the powder will be ready for sale soon once we are able to scale up for the orders I know we will be getting because of the OLD type OPANA discontinuation. If you order this from me I will probably make the price and qty somewhat the same as what you got in the old formula but just even PURER!
You don't have to mess with ANY extraction TEKS! So if the 40mg OLD ER gave 40-50% bio-availability that is what we will offer and at a price that will match the old pills plus a little bit for our costs and work... filters, DRY ETOH, vacuum pump, etc...
Feedback welcome!
Thanks!
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1000mg oxymorphone 95%+ powder for $950 shipped within the USA.... let's see it!
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1000mg oxymorphone 95%+ powder for $950 shipped within the USA.... let's see it!
Ya... I wish I could offer it that cheap! Price would be more along the lines of between a 40mg ER pill and a 10mg IR pill.
Cus lets say that with the old school crushable people get about 40-50% bio-availability when just crushed and snorted means they are snorting about 20mg worth and it is still not an "instant" feeling as it will still gel in the nose. If snorting an IR there are still binders that slow absorption (an those are to IV anyway ;))... So if I offer 10mg at something just a bit LESS than the 40 ER I think it would be more than fair. There is a HUGE amount of solvent and work that goes into extracting and getting this kind of purity. Plus if snorted it doesn't have any binders so there should "kick in" right away! Also I'll bet that because it's pure 10mg would feel like what a 40mg ER would have felt like.
So, if I can get the tek scaled up enough to make large enough batches for everyone then I will probably offer them perhaps 10mg at $50 and maybe I'll do another PRE-Order to help fund the equipment to scale up but I am wondering if you guys think the price would work? Remember, it takes a lot of work for me to extract to such purity and all the equipment and solvent that is used in the process.
Thanks!
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Any idea how much of the nearly pure oxymorphone powder you would want to ship for $1000 at once, or $2000?
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Hi!
Good news! I've gotten to a point where I may have enough scale to sell some pre-orders.
Also, here are some pics of the OPANA Crystals!
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=bcda385a8176bf9094bf7bdc358af0c9.jpg
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http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=c49ab15e130c84a1ca9c51711fcf423a.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=2995d0dc6ab0acf8c2aa6968b5a7bfe2.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=2d0e8f5629bc1d82befb02426b3f296d.jpg
Any idea how much of the nearly pure oxymorphone powder you would want to ship for $1000 at once, or $2000?
For $1000 at once I might offer 230mg or $2000 would be 480mg. That is the pricing I'm thinking right now because this is basically like getting Opana IR but WITHOUT any binders and 10mg Opana IRs for for about $45-$55 each.
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Here is the link to the pre-order!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/eba51f1254
Loyal customers please PM me in SR for more info ;)
Thanks!
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This is very interesting my friend. I have done many purchases with you and they last even had a little surprise, many thanks. My question is at 10mg of powder is just as potent as the old school stuff or stronger? Cause at $45-$55 per 10mg that's 200$ for an old school Opana unless I am misunderstanding something. Let me know, I know you're a reliable guy.
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This is very interesting my friend. I have done many purchases with you and they last even had a little surprise, many thanks. My question is at 10mg of powder is just as potent as the old school stuff or stronger? Cause at $45-$55 per 10mg that's 200$ for an old school Opana unless I am misunderstanding something. Let me know, I know you're a reliable guy.
Hi!
Here's the thing, you have to compare this more to getting an Opana IR than the opana ER, it's like the Duildid goes for $30+ for just 8mg if not more! 10mg Opana IR prices range from $45-$55 but that still even has the binders that you would still have to deal with although it's a lot more comfortable... BUT with this extract you get 95-99% PURE Oxymorphone powder with no binders!
Here is some info from my listing, I think it may answer your question about the comparison to the old kind too... (also you have to consider the amount of DRY Ethanol (not cheap) that I have to use and the time and the filters, etc just to get +-50% yield) :
This is basically JUST like the OLD type OPANA ER that you can crush but I've extracted it and removed all the binders until it is > 98% PURE!
*** Just think if you crush a 40mg ER you may only get 40% of it actually absorbed (not to mention a nose full of gel!) so that means that 40mg * 40% = 16mg!!!
That's right, you ONLY get about 16mg absorbed in your system! It also doesn't hit as fast because there is still a gel matrix that the opana has to penetrate even though it is in your nose.
Well, NOT WITH THIS! This is PURE OPANA powder and will "hit" you right away! Also, because of this I would be CAREFUL using this pure opana as it may very well be more potent than probably a 40mg ER crushed pill! This is even better than the IR Opana as well because the IR also has binders that clog your nose too!
And yes, this is clean enough to IV but it still has a very small amount of binder (actually food coloring from the yellow coating) which may not be good for your veins. If you want an IV ready solution please order our IV product as that is filtered again to give a crystal clear > 99% Opana!
For my loyal customers, if you want to place an order now I've reserved a little bit for you guys and I'll give you the link to the stealth listing so you can try some now (I'll may even hook it up for you with a little extra too!) just send me a PM on SR.
Thanks!
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dot, for interest
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Not sure I agree on the bio-availability of the old ones being only 40% railing them. the warmth and rush of a 40ER was instant when crushed and railed. One of the 40's was the equivalent to me crushing 3 m boxes and snorting them all at once, with longer legs then any roxy. the bio-availiblity is 40% when oral but up the snout definitely 90% +
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Hi,
I don't disagree with you about the 40% bioavialibty but I think we are looking at it in different ways. If you take an old Opana 40 and crush it then add just 1ml of water watch how much it will gel up, then think about what happens in your nose.
It will still gel up, all you have done is given it more surface area for it to be absorbed by your mucous membranes, so there very well may be a 90% absorption but it is not going to be instant.
As from the example of adding the 1ml of water to the crushed powder and the resulting volume that it expands it would be reasonable to believe that it would still take a longer time to absorb the actual oxymorphone.
So even if eventually you absorb whatever percentage of the oxymorphone it will be spaced out over a period of time while your body concurrently breaks down the gelatin as well. I would believe that from the observations, that is the difference between the powder and a crushed ER pill, although I don't use them intranasally (sp?) myself I'm sure some other people who have ordered the powder and tired it can report on how it affects them and if it is different than the crushed ER or not...
On another note, if there are good reviews on the opana extract I may be able to find a way to increase my yield and that would mean that I could lower the price! Yay for us all! And to those pioneers who purchased it at the current price I will give you guys a nice discount if I lower the price at a later point!
Thanks for the feedback!
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I see what you are saying. I would like to see some IR's come down the road. The original formula ER's will truly be missed (rip) . we saw some hydromorphone 2 months ago that was an actual plastic pill. with tiny hole for releasing medicine once ingested. forgot the name brand but it looks like all ER is now bunk unless we have more like you Hatter figuring it out for us!! All props friend!
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I just ordered. looking forward to receiving it soon. will update when i receive it and try it.
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Any word??
I'm very interested in this hatter
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Hi,
It's available for sale http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/6f67c82f8c
Also here is some feedback left so far:
This stuff is INCREDIBLE. Hatter is my favorite on SR but I'll admit I was skeptical about this item -- especially cost effectiveness. The product page suggests only 16mg of a 40mg Opana ER ever gets absorbed (intranasally). 1/4 of a 40mg ER is about right for me (I'll feel great without appearing to be under the influence). If 16mg is the effective dose of a 40mg Opana then I figured I would need 4mg of this powder. Luckily I started with a bit under 2mg. It felt like 1/3 of a 40mg ER!
I'm not one to tell people to "be careful," but it is warranted here. This item is not cut with anything so the dose you'll need looks like a total joke (i.e., tiny amount). It felt more potent to me than what should been equivalent doses of Fentanyl (in powder form), and even Hatter's own IV solution.
Thanks!
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im interested in this. i would love to see it labtested as well. hmm sounds tempting. could the pure powder be smoked?
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Damn this stuff sounds strong...that guy was good off under 2mg??
That's nuts..I want to try it out but I also want to hear a few more reviews on the stuff...no disrespect to hatter this is awesome thanks so much for figuring out this extraction for us :)
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I just finished off the 20mg (10mg x 2) I ordered as a test and my experience was wildly different than the one review given. Here's my review on the powder...
Based on what I had read and the price it was being listed at, I ordered 20mg of the 99% powder with the understanding that, pound for pound, it was somewhere in the ballpark of 2x-4x stronger than regular old Opana ER (e.g. 20mg powder = 40mg-80mg old school Opana ER). My understanding of exactly how strong the 99% powder is might be flawed, and if so, that would explain why my experience was so different, but based on what the other guy was saying it sounds about right.
With that established, I followed the other review's lead and measured out and sniffed what looked to be a ~2mg line. I waited for about 15 minutes and wasn't feeling much, so I decided to measure out the same amount and take that up the other nostril. At this point, I'm about 4mg deep, which should be considered anywhere from 8mg to 16mg in terms of old school Opana ER. To give a little context, when i used to sniff the old school Opanas (R.I.P.), a quarter of a 40mg (i.e. 10mg) would be enough to put me in a good place (very similar to the other reviewer). Anything greater than 10mg usually knocked me on my ass. My use schedule usually went something like a few days on (3-4 days), followed by a few weeks off (3-4 weeks). Using that logic, after 4mg of the 99% powder (4mg x 2 = 8mg Old School Opana, 4mg x 4 = 16mg Old School Opana) I should have at least been feeling pretty nice, and at most on my ass. Neither was the case.
After increasing the dose to 4mg, I continued to do 2mg bumps every 10-15 minutes until I felt pretty good. Eventually I hit 10mg and felt pretty decent, but nowhere near as good as I should have felt for the amount I had taken at the supposed 2x-4x strength conversion from ER --> 99% Powder. I decided to stop after 10mg total in order to try taking the other half of my supply (10mg) all at once and seeing if that made a difference.
The next day I snorted all 10mg of the 99% powder all at once and got pretty much the same results as the day before. It was pretty underwhelming. I'm not sure if I got a bad batch or maybe my supply wasn't as big as I thought (10mg instead of 20mg), but my experience was considerably different than the one guy who said he was good off of 2mg. I'm not trying to slam Hatter (I have always given him a 5/5 review, this time was no different) because he's clearly a very reliable seller and is doing everything he can to innovate and provide for the SR community, however in my opinion, this product leaves a lot to be desired. For the amount you pay, and what you end up getting in return, the 99% powder extract just isn't there yet (at least for me).
Bottom line: Just know before buying that, independent of tolerance, for some the powder ends up being identical to a 40mg ER, and for others it's nowhere close. Unfortunately, I was the latter.
(NOTE: Edited for better readability, still open to questions if you have them.)
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Hi.
I kinda expected reviews to be just like this because the powder is so temperamental, I would think that one may get a greally good experience and another not.
For me, I could dunk my head in the powder and then perhaps feel something... but it's the opiate tolerance monster!
If you guys know how much I go through my self you would be shocked and my buddy has the same issues.
I've just been lucky enough to have some extra to share with you guys here on SR!
Thanks
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Based on what I had read and the price it was being listed at, I ordered 20mg of the 99% powder with the understanding that, pound for pound, it was somewhere in the ballpark of 2x-4x stronger than regular old Opana ER (e.g. 20mg powder = 40mg-80mg old school Opana ER). My understanding of exactly how strong the 99% powder is might be flawed, and if so, that would explain why my experience was so different, but based on what the other guy was saying it sounds about right.
Yes, you're very confused. 20mg of powder = 20mg of Opana ER. It's not a concentrated extract like with plant extracts, it's just pure oxymorphone powder. An Opana 40mg ER only contains 40mg of oxymorphone powder inside the pill... which is 4 times his 10mg listing. This powder is equipotent to the pills basically.
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Bioavailability 10% (oral) 40% (Intranasal) 100% (IV, IM)
Metabolism hepatic
Half-life 1.3 +/- 0.7 hrs (with parenteral admin)[1]; 7.25-9.43 hr (with oral admin)
Excretion 35% urine, 65% feces