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Possible new market software?? Any interest?
« on: December 16, 2013, 06:23:03 am »
Hypothetically, I'm curious what interest there would be for someone to develop a really secure and attack hardened market software with worthwhile features and not all the extra bloat.  Obviously using any kind of forum or prebuilt software (i.e. BMR) opens you up to lots of security problems, and then someone could easily scrape your entire user DB and all their details...  But most of the custom written markets, are lacking and end up being hacked :(

So lets say you did high level web work all the time and securing really large sites with massive amounts of traffic and occasionally large scale DDoS attacks.. would there be interested parties in the software?

Would have no interest in actually taking the risk of running a market, but fully capable of developing the scale and robustness required.  Getting really sick of seeing these half-ass markets pop up.  Even the new SR lacks simple features like 'add to favorite vendors'.  It seems like there has been a serious lack of people getting into this with real tech knowledge.

So I guess #1 - would anyone be interested in purchasing said software, maybe multiple parties, that would make it worth developing? or #2 - would there be some way to open source it or open it up to community donations?

The idea of developing it could be a fun venture, just not something that personally the end risk and time would be worth running a market.  But considering this would take away extreme amounts of already paid development time, would have to be worth it in the end.  Just trying to find out if this could have a return for the amount of work involved to make something that isn't going to crumble to the pressures, or leave users hanging without features like so many of the current networks.

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Re: Possible new market software?? Any interest?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2013, 07:36:03 am »
Build it, open it to the public, get some quick cash, sell it and GTFO.
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Re: Possible new market software?? Any interest?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2013, 08:17:54 am »
If you want to earn some bitcoin/cash then you can make proposals of any ideas you may have to me and if you can develop them I will happily fund it. Our key areas of interest right now are decentralized systems of communication and distributed trustless storage systems, some starting points for background research could be POND and also for storage Tahoe-LFS is a very good foundation.

In the coming months the next generation of hidden services will be coming about and so much of our own research into theoretical attacks and weaknesses in the network is focused on that and sadly we are struggling to lend a hand in expertise to such projects. We have already taken on some freelance developers who are working on better bitcoin mixing systems and other tools to help improve the anonymity of users. Making a new market software however I do not personally believe will work, Silk Road has a strong brand and when yo make it easy for people to set up their own market then it will also make it easier for scammers. Anyone intending to set up another market must be able to not only create their own market but be able to ensure it is secure which extends far beyond just the source code, I would go as far to say that is only where 20% of the security work goes.
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Re: Possible new market software?? Any interest?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2013, 02:14:30 pm »
If you want to earn some bitcoin/cash then you can make proposals of any ideas you may have to me and if you can develop them I will happily fund it. Our key areas of interest right now are decentralized systems of communication and distributed trustless storage systems, some starting points for background research could be POND and also for storage Tahoe-LFS is a very good foundation.

In the coming months the next generation of hidden services will be coming about and so much of our own research into theoretical attacks and weaknesses in the network is focused on that and sadly we are struggling to lend a hand in expertise to such projects. We have already taken on some freelance developers who are working on better bitcoin mixing systems and other tools to help improve the anonymity of users. Making a new market software however I do not personally believe will work, Silk Road has a strong brand and when yo make it easy for people to set up their own market then it will also make it easier for scammers. Anyone intending to set up another market must be able to not only create their own market but be able to ensure it is secure which extends far beyond just the source code, I would go as far to say that is only where 20% of the security work goes.

I already wrote you twice with no response.  Also helped the last DPR during the last round of attacks.  Nonetheless, the problem with other markets has been security, and the current problem with SR is the lack of features.

Not sure why you don't think creating a new market will work, you essentially cashed in on the previous site and got it started, but it's clear that sites like BMR and Sheep took off, but lacked the technical expertise.

I've been playing around with some coin mixing tools and some security of handling wallets etc, doing some rigorous testing.  If someone was properly interested in running a site, and wanted to purchase or finance said software, I don't think it would have a ton of problems catching on.

Always the possibility of putting a fully working demo market online, showing it off, and letting someone decide if they'd be interested in the platform.

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Re: Possible new market software?? Any interest?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2013, 07:02:44 pm »
If you're asking this question, you don't possess the skill for execution

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Re: Possible new market software?? Any interest?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2013, 10:46:38 pm »
If you're asking this question, you don't possess the skill for execution

Fantastic response and assumptions.  Executing it is not the concern here, whatsoever, that I can assure you.  It's a question of if anyone is really interested in such a thing, because I just don't feel like taking the legal risk of being involved in selling, but I do see a serious lack in the current networks out there.  It's extremely upsetting to see site after site go down or get hacked because someone can't keep their code clean and on lock down, and I'm just tired of people who can't properly build websites fucking over this whole process.

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Re: Possible new market software?? Any interest?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2013, 10:57:23 pm »
Based off of one of DPR's messages why don't you work with him to build a better forum when this one closes? and rename it something completely different and then we make this domain a shell, kinda of like a web museum for ross ulbricht etc.


Instead of looking to improve and work with another persons idea you prefer not giving them a chance and writing off the effort they put in because of simple things like a "friendslist" (as I will call it).
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2013, 04:59:19 am »
Definite interest
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