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http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/chairman-carper-statement-on-the-unveiling-of-the-so-called-silk-road-20-website

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Today, Senator Tom Carper (D-Del.), Chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, released the following statement on the launch of the Silk Road 2.0:

“This new website – launched barely a month after Federal agents shut down the original Silk Road -- underscores the inescapable reality that technology is dynamic and ever-evolving and that government policy needs to adapt accordingly. Rather than play ‘whack-a-mole’ with the latest website,  currency, or other method criminals are using in an effort to evade the law, we need to develop thoughtful, nimble and sensible federal policies that protect the public without stifling innovation and economic growth. Our committee intends to have that conversation – among others - at our hearing this month on virtual currency.”
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Suck it Feds! I would love to have seen their faces when they got to the log in page! Finally someone is starting to realise the "war on drugs" is farcical.
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Rather than play ‘whack-a-mole’ with the latest website,  currency, or other method criminals are using in an effort to evade the law, we need to develop thoughtful, nimble and sensible federal policies that protect the public without stifling innovation and economic growth. Our committee intends to have that conversation – among others - at our hearing this month on virtual currency.”

How about you just legalize drugs, you asshats. Talk about sensible policies...
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We need to develop thoughtful, nimble and sensible federal policies that protect the public without stifling innovation and economic growth.
shove it up your indignant asses
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We need to develop thoughtful, nimble and sensible federal policies that protect the public without stifling innovation and economic growth.
shove it up your indignant asses
Innuendo upon innuendo :D
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How about you just legalize drugs, you asshats. Talk about sensible policies...

I couldn't have said it better myself :)
Fuck the DEA..... and you can quote me on that!

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Rather than play ‘whack-a-mole’ with the latest website,  currency, or other method criminals are using in an effort to evade the law, we need to develop thoughtful, nimble and sensible federal policies that protect the public without stifling innovation and economic growth. Our committee intends to have that conversation – among others - at our hearing this month on virtual currency.”

How about you just legalize drugs, you asshats. Talk about sensible policies...
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It'd be awesome if someone came out and said "Hey, we're losing billions of dollars annually fighting a useless war.  It's time to hang it up." 

Doubtful that will happen, but jesus, the evidence is all there.
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The war on drugs has been a pathetic failure. Look at the prohibition of alcohol. Look at restrictive gun laws. Look at any law limiting individual liberty. The only thing any of these laws caused was more crime, whether violent or nonviolent (ie violating said laws).

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It is obvious that they are lost with how to deal with it. They were probably still busy patting themselves on the back for destroying the big bad Silk Road. Our rising from the ashes, more resolute and unified than ever has likely left their heads spinning.

That doesn't sound like innuendo to me, it sounds like "we don't know what to do and we want to sound smart saying we don't know shit about what we might to do".

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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D
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Rather than play ‘whack-a-mole’ with the latest website,  currency, or other method criminals are using in an effort to evade the law, we need to develop thoughtful, nimble and sensible federal policies that protect the public without stifling innovation and economic growth. Our committee intends to have that conversation – among others - at our hearing this month on virtual currency.”

How about you just legalize drugs, you asshats. Talk about sensible policies...

Guess what...SR is a system to protect the public.
Nobody gets some drugs offered at the corner.
Packages are sealed multiple times, so nobody gets in contact with them by accident.
Kids don't get drugs offered at the schoolyard. It takes some more effort to get Bitcoins, use TOR, receive a package without parents noticing it.
Already addicted people get clean stuff and useful advises for safer use.
That being said....Fuck You ;)
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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

Would be nice, but I think instead they are thinking about how wonderful it is that they get to spend more taxpayer dollars and maybe create a whole new investigative agency. I bet their mouths are watering thinking about that bigger budget.
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This is only the beginning!!
legalization is the only chance they have
 
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This is only the beginning!!
legalization is the only chance they have
 
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DEFEAT ON THE "WAR ON DRUGS"
JUST SMOKE IT! SWOOSH ;)

LOL!
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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

Would be nice, but I think instead they are thinking about how wonderful it is that they get to spend more taxpayer dollars and maybe create a whole new investigative agency. I bet their mouths are watering thinking about that bigger budget.

They will just put more money into FinCEN and the IRS but i like how the kinda admit their useless fucks.
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The statement has a bit of a double-edge to it. Its not conceding, it is stating that "Well this isn't working...they just keep coming back...shit, we'll find other ways to go after them". The question then becomes what methods will they use?
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Don't mock them  :-\


Just Sayin  :)


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The statement has a bit of a double-edge to it. Its not conceding, it is stating that "Well this isn't working...they just keep coming back...shit, we'll find other ways to go after them". The question then becomes what methods will they use?

They are too thick if the stopped blowing each other so much and put as much effort as
the SR team did (in a month mind you) they could mess things up for us in say 2050 :)
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Don't mock them  :-\


Just Sayin  :)


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sorry chem just so happy for them thats all
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This is only the beginning!!
legalization is the only chance they have
 
BREAKING NEWS: SR2 HAS OFFICIALLY SIGNED NIKE AS A FIRST SPONSER AFTER THE GOVERNMENT CONCEDE
DEFEAT ON THE "WAR ON DRUGS"
JUST SMOKE IT! SWOOSH ;)

Nuff' said. ^^
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Never rest on our Laurels....

I know Everyone is happy right now....However..we need Not let our Guard down!  ya know?   :-\


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Tell him how you feel since he's all over twitter with his garbage.

Obvious Clearnet link: https://twitter.com/SenatorCarper

Be careful with IP's personal accounts etc but no reason not to stir the pot on our day of victory
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The statement has a bit of a double-edge to it. Its not conceding, it is stating that "Well this isn't working...they just keep coming back...shit, we'll find other ways to go after them". The question then becomes what methods will they use?

there's gonna be mandatory government keyloggers installed on every computer from next month

Log this fuckers:

SUCK IT FEDS
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Anon?  do ya understand what i am sayin? 

Or should i just shut up?  :-\


Maybe i'm just being paranoid  ???
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Syn?!?!?!?

Nevermind...  :-\
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Syn?!?!?!?

Nevermind...  :-\

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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

No, I'm pretty sure they're going to attack bitcoin now.

They're either going to try to kill bitcoin, or make it so regulated that it is unusable.

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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

No, I'm pretty sure they're going to attack bitcoin now.

They're either going to try to kill bitcoin, or make it so regulated that it is unusable.

I'm afraid I have to agree though as you say:try.
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Syn?!?!?!?

Nevermind...  :-\

I'm back in my box now ChemCat, got a bit carried away just then ;)

You are right though we shouldn't mock them but this is a monumental victory, just enjoying the moment.
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Syn?!?!?!?

Nevermind...  :-\

I'm back in my box now ChemCat, got a bit carried away just then ;)

You are right though we shouldn't mock them but this is a monumental victory, just enjoying the moment.

I'm never going to forget the day I tried to log on to SR and saw that FBI message.

Both times. ;)
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Synergy,

Why the yellow and black ?
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If the government wishes to talk to me about policy or even as a respectful conversation, they know where to reach me.


would love to be a fly on that wall.  ;D

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Synergy,

Why the yellow and black ?

Google it ;)
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@ Synergy

I understand..really i do  :)

Color me a bit to paranoid i suppose  LOL


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Quote from: Synergy
Quote from: jesusofrave
Synergy,

Why the yellow and black ?

Google it ;)


Anarchy  ;)


Love it!!  :)


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Synergy,

Why the yellow and black ?

Google it ;)

I'm fresh outta google juice.... i found 60 yellow and black flags but not yours.

Don't tell us, it'll be a treat when we find out :)

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I've seen red and black, and green and black represent anarchy,

Is yellow and black the anarchy of rave?

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This right here people....this is powerful  and  full of wisdom in one!

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I've seen red and black, and green and black represent anarchy,

Is yellow and black the anarchy of rave?

jor

If I were ever to become a vendor I would call myself 'The Anarchy of Rave' :D
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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

No, I'm pretty sure they're going to attack bitcoin now.

They're either going to try to kill bitcoin, or make it so regulated that it is unusable.

What that guy said..

We did not win anything. Their budget did not get any smaller. They will continue with the same dedication they have always had to put all of us into a cage.
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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

No, I'm pretty sure they're going to attack bitcoin now.

They're either going to try to kill bitcoin, or make it so regulated that it is unusable.

What that guy said..

We did not win anything. Their budget did not get any smaller. They will continue with the same dedication they have always had to put all of us into a cage.

I know Dan, its why I am getting out of the state I live in. F'in bigots.

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sounds like a sugar coated "were gonna talk about how to fuck over bitcoin", gl, they can ban it outright or bend over and take it. technology wins in the end.

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Quote from: DanDanTheIceCreamMan
What that guy said..

We did not win anything. Their budget did not get any smaller. They will continue with the same dedication they have always had to put all of us into a cage.


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sounds like a sugar coated "were gonna talk about how to fuck over bitcoin", gl, they can ban it outright or bend over and take it. technology wins in the end.

On the other hand, I seriously doubt there are no guvment officials that have never purchased dope online. ;)
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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

No, I'm pretty sure they're going to attack bitcoin now.

They're either going to try to kill bitcoin, or make it so regulated that it is unusable.

Yes, that's exactly what they're saying.  They mentioned "virtual currency" and prior to that they still called us "criminals".
They still don't get the prohibition thing.  Morons.

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I expect this will spurn them to create new laws to further encroach on our internet freedoms.... as if they haven't done enough already.

Why do they think millions of us have retreated to the dark web?  It's not just to buy drugs.  It's to be a part of an online community where everything we say isn't kept on file and linked to our 'real life'' identities, where it could potentially be used against us one day.

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Look, come on people, when are we going to start blowing up federal buildings again? This shit simply cannot be allowed to continue. We can't allow the government to just outright ban or regulate currency that doesn't belong to them... Can we?

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I've seen red and black, and green and black represent anarchy,

Is yellow and black the anarchy of rave?

jor

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That would be a sexy name indeed.

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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

I have read rumors of a bill to defund the DEA,seriously.
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Synergy,

Why the yellow and black ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalist_symbolism

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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

No, I'm pretty sure they're going to attack bitcoin now.

They're either going to try to kill bitcoin, or make it so regulated that it is unusable.

/agreed

That Senate hearing coming up , this launch will be used as "evidence" that they need to outlaw them imho 

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Texas & Germany  ;)
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lol hopefully not DPR dont pull a Ross after pulling a Jesus with SR
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Texas & Germany  ;)

Have good economies?   :P

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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

I have read rumors of a bill to defund the DEA,seriously.

Are you serious? Can you post a link, please? I'd love to read that!
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RASTA!!


8)


Yoda, they do have Good Economy  ;)

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Rather than play ‘whack-a-mole’ with the latest website,  currency, or other method criminals are using in an effort to evade the law, we need to develop thoughtful, nimble and sensible federal policies that protect the public without stifling innovation and economic growth. Our committee intends to have that conversation – among others - at our hearing this month on virtual currency.”

How about you just legalize drugs, you asshats. Talk about sensible policies...

Guess what...SR is a system to protect the public.
Nobody gets some drugs offered at the corner.
Packages are sealed multiple times, so nobody gets in contact with them by accident.
Kids don't get drugs offered at the schoolyard. It takes some more effort to get Bitcoins, use TOR, receive a package without parents noticing it.
Already addicted people get clean stuff and useful advises for safer use.
That being said....Fuck You ;)

These are the points that the public should be hearing, not the negetive side of things that the media usualy shows to make a service like online markets look bad.
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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

Sounds kind of like it, but you can bet your ass they are on here and have been since day one.

I'm seeing users and vendors INSIST on 4096 bit encryption for the first time in my long ass experience with internet drugs. We're fighting a good fight.

Just remember to have a contingency plan, there should always be a hidden mirror, ready to go up if they pull the plug again.
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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

No, I'm pretty sure they're going to attack bitcoin now.

They're either going to try to kill bitcoin, or make it so regulated that it is unusable.
  They already tried that last spring, didn't work. It ain't LR
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Synergy,

Why the yellow and black ?

Google it ;)

I'm fresh outta google juice.... i found 60 yellow and black flags but not yours.

Don't tell us, it'll be a treat when we find out :)

jor


It's Semaphore jor.....there's a hint.
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The government especially does not like bitcoins because they cannot collect taxes off of it: that causes a huge problem.

However, the government does not want to just fight head to head with bitcoins because bitcoins really have some economic potential. The silk road is only a fraction of the bitcoin market as a whole.

The coins really are useful because of the ease in transferring funds (vs using a bank or institution which requires human interaction).

What I believe the government will do is impose some sort of restriction on bitcoins to allow "legitimate economic use" (the government is on record having stated that bitcoins have legitimate use) but prevent illicit use.

I'm not sure what this will mean. We just have to wait.
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there will be nothing sweeter to see than the people take back their rightfully deserved power. :)

to all LEA, we are wiser now, growing and improving every day. times have changed, and we think it's time to take back what's ours.
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If the government wishes to talk to me about policy or even as a respectful conversation, they know where to reach me.

Please do us a favor, and don't. At all. We love you where you are, too many public statements would be seen as a slap in the face to them. Handle this as a business and let the users be the revolutionaries, we will back you up and spread your words, please don't do it yourself, that's what got Ross where he is.
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The war on drugs funds political campaigns, local police forces and the salary of government stazi as well as entire prison industry.

When that stops possible can change the war on Drugs.

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In the immortal words of Boris: "We are invincible!"

To be quite honest I was thinking the opposite.  Their next move is to try and get rid of bitcoins all together.... I really hope thats not possible... but I'm sure they will try.
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"underscores the inescapable reality that technology is dynamic and ever-evolving and that government policy needs to adapt accordingly"

don think that is mean the positive way many are taking it.
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They can't. BTC is decentralized, nobody really runs it. They went after BTC last spring in Thailand I believe and came back with their tails between their legs. They would have to outlaw MoneyPak reloads to truly get rid of BTC.
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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

No, I'm pretty sure they're going to attack bitcoin now.

They're either going to try to kill bitcoin, or make it so regulated that it is unusable.

/agreed

That Senate hearing coming up , this launch will be used as "evidence" that they need to outlaw them imho

Even if, and that is a BIG 'if' they were to try to do as you say they would fail miserably (something they are getting good at) due to the decentralized nature of how bitcoin works. And if they interfere to the point it becomes a major hassle an alternative will be invented, such is the nature of technology as alluded to in the senators statement. Every force ('action') on one object is accompanied by a 'reaction' on another, of equal magnitude but opposite direction. In other words they push, we push until the money runs out and the US government is broke and on its knees right now. They cannot sustain the level of coercive and direct action that they have been for much longer and I truly believe change is coming and coming soon.

They cannot contain and control everything and the tighter they try to hold on the more it pushes through their fingers like sand. I can only hope there comes a point when common sense and rationality prevails and all this nonsense with prohibition and the justice system is brought to an end.

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Sort of........
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Lets Not Rely on Our Hopes.....At this time...   

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Lets Not Rely on Our Hopes.....At this time...   

:-\

I have never seen you so apprehensive ChemCat.

*hug* and another *hug* followed by a MASSIVE *hug* from me to you.

We have a positive future, enjoy this day ;)
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I had something else to say...However....not now.....   you know how to get ahold of me if ya wanna speak of this at a later time..more in depth....
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Heya Syn....  I Agree with ya  :)

We do have a Positive Day ahead of us!!  :)


i suppose do carry on a bit... 


This is my Life....My Living.... 



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I know what you mean Chem.

I am so paranoid with all the damage I have done using SR to smoke these fine sticky indica buds.

The mailman might have gotten contaminated through the mylar. ;)

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Wanny nanny boo hoo FUCK YOU! the way I read it was "We need to discuss ways to stifle this Community of Privacy by stopping their Currency flow." "We don't agree, therefore we must be right, because we are smarts" This shit boils my blood. I really wanna go out in public or on public forums and spout my disagreement but that would just put me under scrutiny. I Love this community, I really do and would Love to be a voice to push back at the media's Propaganda, but I'm afraid I'd be violently silenced by people who disagree. I wish I knew people around my neighborhood who embraced this community and start a local movement, but no one I introduced to this Community gave a flying fuck about it. They just liked the drugs they could get. Won't happen again as far as anyone around me knows Silk Road is still dead.
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I am somewhat concerned that this game of one-upmanship will push the government into manipulating the media further and allow them to introduce more prohibitive and unjust policies along the lines of the Patriot Act. Regardless, there comes a time where we must stand up for our beliefs and we must fight. That time is now.
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The revolution starts now.

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I am somewhat concerned that this game of one-upmanship will push the government into manipulating the media further and allow them to introduce more prohibitive and unjust policies along the lines of the Patriot Act. Regardless, there comes a time where we must stand up for our beliefs and we must fight. That time is now.

You mean there are more rights they can take away?

Short of our ability to breathe air and eat I don't see how it can get much worse, assuming they don't lay us all out with chemtrails before this happens, I think they must see that drugs are never going away and killing and imprisoning more people is just not the right answer.

We can not build a sustainable world and stable foundation for a society built on the blood of the innocent.

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^^^ THIS!

The groundswell is growing in momentum though, it is what makes what we are doing here so important.

Enough is enough, do not tread on me anymore.

I do wonder how bad it might get before the populace wakes up and calls time on our oppressors though, as JWM rightly points out I do wonder what is left for them to take away.

 
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Welcome to the united socialist states of amuricuh!


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When a government charges, imprisons those who expose the illegal actions of other by speaking the truth (e.g. Snowden, Manning, Assange) branding them as terrorists and enemy combatants they have lost ALL legitimacy and must be removed.

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I read a quote, can't remember exactly how it goes or who wrote, can't even find it again but...

When it becomes a crime to report a crime, you know the country's run by criminals.

yes, I hope theres something happening in the beloved us. I hope much more that the EU takes on the US for real. Visa for Snowden pls.
At least some power is challenging these insane bastards in the us.

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I think this time around it should be up to us to post DPR's response to this and become somewhat hacktivists, it's a lot safer for him, just remember not to buy or sell under your forum username so it is harder to trace us. You can be active on clearnet without raising a ton of suspicion as to who you are here, especially smaller buyers.

Let's keep our admin out of prison. He writes from the perspective of an American, so that is a very real risk.
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If one would use  THIS against them government bastards
But wait... I think its on already :)


“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.”[6]Edward L. Bernays

“A single factory, potentially capable of supplying a whole continent with its particular product, cannot afford to wait until the public asks for its product; it must maintain constant touch, through advertising and propaganda, with the vast public in order to assure itself the continuous demand which alone will make its costly plant profitable.” Edward L. Bernays



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Our committee intends to have that conversation – among others - at our hearing this month on virtual currency.

Did they just said "Lets fuck up virtual currencies!" ?

If that won't work, what comes next? Mass-scanning of postal packages?
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Our committee intends to have that conversation – among others - at our hearing this month on virtual currency.

Did they just said "Lets fuck up virtual currencies!" ?

If that won't work, what comes next? Mass-scanning of postal packages?

they said at least that they want to try that...   Mass-scanning is not really practical, if it would they would already do it..

My thinking is next the senators will pass a bill in senate that say every US Citizen will have to get this little RFID/Wlan implant that will alert the Police if you do take any illegal substance. Is that not perfectly sound reasoning. THEY JUST WANT TO PROTECT YOU :D

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i wonder about what went through the minds of those brave men, sitting in those landing craft heading toward the normandy beaches in june 1944. i wonder if they had been shown a glimpse of what the western world would become by 2013, whether they would carry on and give up their lives anyway. or whether they would just say 'fuck if i'm giving my life up for nothing'.

well people in eu know what they did. Maybe the eu can pay back some of the debt and show the us people that they are straight on the way to a informational fascist state. It has to be stopped NOW. Germany has some experience with fascists they had also the Gestapo. The NSA is based on same principle, we could say they are the EARLY version of the gestapo. I would urge the people to fight this!
Sooner than later they start killing people for having different opinions or races and...
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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

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makes me laugh how during the eighties and the cold war era they would criticize the stazi using the fact that they were ruthless in using spying techniques on their own people and would hoard information on every aspect of their citizens lives. our government would tell us this like it was supposed to be a really bad thing for a government to do. i'd love to know at what point did it change from being a really bad thing for a government to do, to being apparently a good thing and supposedly being in the best interests of its citizens. or is it that its ok when a western government does it, but not for an eastern communist government.

because the way i see it, you just cannot have it both ways.

Governments have become little more that administrators for big business and they do not serve the interests of the vast majority of people they are there to supposedly serve. All the time the general populace are in a media-induced comatose anesthetic state they are docile and compliant. Most people do not want to know the reality of what is going on for fear of shaking their fragile little paradigm of an illusion of freedom to much, you can see their eyes start to glaze over when you tell inform them how it really is, you can hear their internal monologue where they are saying to themselves "this guy is some conspiracy theory nut, wish he would go away so I can go back to watching TV and not thinking about all this hard stuff".

The reality is too scary for most people which once again brings me to the point of how important this place is, we are free here to speak without fear of censorship, coercion, control, punishment.

Silk Road offers a genuine alternative to the corrupt systems imposed upon us that keep us enslaved and dependent upon those who are really running the show and making all the money. We have freedom of currency and the fact that they cannot control it (yet) must be scaring the crap out of them. So they will obviously try to demonize it to try to legitimize their actions against it, nothing scares a government more than the thought of not being in control.

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Yeah I read this as let's go after Bitcoin.......

Fucking morons..... god I hate America and it's government... it's the most fucking oppressive place on earth.

I wish they would let sleeping dogs lie .....

The thing that makes my blood boil the most is the fact they feel they can govern the whole fucking globe... the cunts.... GOD I HATE THEM.......

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If drugs were to become legal tomorrow there would have been such a massive global shift in attitude and perception on such a huge a range of issues I am honestly unconcerned what would become of Silk Road.

We may thrive or we may become obsolete under that paradigm, what is important though is we would not be oppressed and have our liberty taken from us simply for exercising the right to choose what substances we put into our own bodies.

If we were to reach a point where we as a society were to let go of prohibition I feel we would have made so many huge leaps forward in other aspects of how we function as a society we would have abandoned the amoral legislative framework we laughably call the justice system today which locks people up for engaging in behavior that causes zero harm to anyone else, that in itself is one of the single most defining outrages of our modern society as it stands today. 
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In the immortal words of Boris: "We are invincible!"

To be quite honest I was thinking the opposite.  Their next move is to try and get rid of bitcoins all together.... I really hope thats not possible... but I'm sure they will try.

They will never be able to ban bitcoins, per-se. unless they outlaw mathematics somehow. What they will do, however, is hit the services or exchanges, where one converts bitcoins to/from  state-issued fiat currency.  We have not yet reached the stage where one can survive using bitcoins alone. If such a day were to come, the state's power would be greatly weakened, if not effectively collapse.

Consider for a moment, just what is currency?  Currency is anything that is widely accepted as a means of exchange. In New France, in the days of the Ancien Regime, there was a shortage of currency. The Governor of New France solved this by signing playing cards, which were used as currency. How is it that you can go into a shop with a small piece of plastic with a magnetic stripe on it, and walk out with hundreds (or even thousands) of dollars of merchandise?  It is because credit and debit cards are widely accepted as a means of exchange.
So it is with bitcoins.

In my view, the only way that the government can outlaw alternative currencies like bitcoin would be for them to shut down the electronic channels over which such instruments are traded -- in other words, they would have to shutdown the Internet.  Historicaly, this is not without precedent -- in the early 1980s, under the Jaruzelski governmentin Poland, martial law was imposed, and the entire (civilian) telephone system was shutdown. Solidarity used the telephones to organize -- in one fell swoop, their primary means of communicatons was destroyed.

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Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.


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In the immortal words of Boris: "We are invincible!"

To be quite honest I was thinking the opposite.  Their next move is to try and get rid of bitcoins all together.... I really hope thats not possible... but I'm sure they will try.

They will never be able to ban bitcoins, per-se. unless they outlaw mathematics somehow. What they will do, however, is hit the services or exchanges, where one converts bitcoins to/from  state-issued fiat currency.  We have not yet reached the stage where one can survive using bitcoins alone. If such a day were to come, the state's power would be greatly weakened, if not effectively collapse.

Consider for a moment, just what is currency?  Currency is anything that is widely accepted as a means of exchange. In New France, in the days of the Ancien Regime, there was a shortage of currency. The Governor of New France solved this by signing playing cards, which were used as currency. How is it that you can go into a shop with a small piece of plastic with a magnetic stripe on it, and walk out with hundreds (or even thousands) of dollars of merchandise?  It is because credit and debit cards are widely accepted as a means of exchange.
So it is with bitcoins.

In my view, the only way that the government can outlaw alternative currencies like bitcoin would be for them to shut down the electronic channels over which such instruments are traded -- in other words, they would have to shutdown the Internet.  Historicaly, this is not without precedent -- in the early 1980s, under the Jaruzelski governmentin Poland, martial law was imposed, and the entire (civilian) telephone system was shutdown. Solidarity used the telephones to organize -- in one fell swoop, their primary means of communicatons was destroyed.

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Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

This is why I love your posts Nightcrawler they are focused and based on knowledge +1 as ususal ;)
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Synergy: You are spot on.


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Our committee intends to have that conversation – among others - at our hearing this month on virtual currency.
The whole buying drugs on the darknet thing is solved, as the launch of the new SR demonstrates. The problem that needs addressing now is the anonymity of payment systems rather than just pseudonymity.

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As has been stated by quite a few now, whatever they may do to BTC is irrelevant. Just like taking
the old marketplace away another one replaces it. It is the eternal game of cat and mouse :)

The most important thing is the community that has already been established. There are so many
people on the same page no matter what they try the community will regroup elsewhere.

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Did they just concede defeat or what?

:D

So it seems =)
new forum and website could be run by LE it really doesn t matter as long as
-you buy from trusted vendor(pgp identification)
-use pgp for every message
-do not store bitcoin in your wallet
-deposit bitcoin from a bogus wallet
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The war on drugs funds political campaigns, local police forces and the salary of government stazi as well as entire prison industry.

When that stops possible can change the war on Drugs.

Amen to that flwchlds9.  +1 to you.

The government and agencies like the CIA want to keep the War on Drugs ticking over, as they gain the most from it.   However, they want to run this "war" on their terms.  That's why they don't like bitcoin and these marketplaces which have sprung up.
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It'd be awesome if someone came out and said "Hey, we're losing billions of dollars annually fighting a useless war.  It's time to hang it up." 

Doubtful that will happen, but jesus, the evidence is all there.

Please don't kid yourself, they NOT losing the War on Drugs. The War on Drugs is having precisely the effects they intended, which are:

* Massive transfers of wealth (through government contracts) to police   agencies, private prisons, and those industries that have arisen to
  service those clients. Prison is now big business in America.
 
* Suppression of minority populations -- it is no accident whatsoever that the vast majority of incarcerated felons are members of racial or ethnic
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  frequently stripped of their right to vote, and suffer from other curtailments of civil liberties.
 
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Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.
   

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I do enjoy your posts Nightcrawler, you hit the nail right on the head with this one ^^^. Pretty much everything our governments do has little or nothing to be with the purported agenda, it is all essentially about money, power and control.

A glaring example of this is the practice of locking up non violent drug offenders, it is all about creating a market that can be exploited by the ruling elite so they can profit from other peoples suffering, if makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.

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@Nightcrawler Completely agree. I'm sure they would also consider the closure of the old SR proof that they are winning this "war" as well. As long as there is ONE person still locked in a cage for a non-violent drug offense than we have not won anything.

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A glaring example of this is the practice of locking up non violent drug offenders, it is all about creating a market that can be exploited by the ruling elite so they can profit from other peoples suffering, if makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.
Completely agree as well.
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Our committee intends to have that conversation – among others - at our hearing this month on virtual currency.
The whole buying drugs on the darknet thing is solved, as the launch of the new SR demonstrates. The problem that needs addressing now is the anonymity of payment systems rather than just pseudonymity.

Anonymity of payment systems is nothing new. Dutch mathematician David Chaum actually took out patents in the 1980s on anonymous digital currency schemes. These were fully anonymous -- one's details only were revealed if one attempted to double-spend a particular coin. Implementations were even tried with an American bank -- the Mark Twain bank. As I recall, these schemes never gained the requisite traction for them to succeed.  I suspect it was too early. Perhaps now, some 30-odd years later, there would be a chance for it to succeed.

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Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.



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I do enjoy your posts Nightcrawler, you hit the nail right on the head with this one ^^^. Pretty much everything our governments do has little or nothing to be with the purported agenda, it is all essentially about money, power and control.

A glaring example of this is the practice of locking up non violent drug offenders, it is all about creating a market that can be exploited by the ruling elite so they can profit from other peoples suffering, if makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.

If you were able to transport a peasant through time from the Middle Ages to contemporary America, once they got over their shock at modern technology, they would recognize a familiar pattern with aristocracy, ruling classes, and rent-extraction by the ruling classes from the people (peasants).  As the French are wont to say, "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose."

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Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

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Whatever the fed response turns out to be, it brings me comfort to know that it will be "nimble." Nimble! Feds be nimble, feds be quick. Feds get choked by an online dick!

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I do enjoy your posts Nightcrawler, you hit the nail right on the head with this one ^^^. Pretty much everything our governments do has little or nothing to be with the purported agenda, it is all essentially about money, power and control.

A glaring example of this is the practice of locking up non violent drug offenders, it is all about creating a market that can be exploited by the ruling elite so they can profit from other peoples suffering, if makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.

I to also enjoy Nightcrawler's posts he makes me think that like a few others that float around on the forum that we are on the same wave length and have common intrests in OpSec, Political views and support of SilkRoad. I also agree with your post too about how our governments in America or any country for that matter act as if they were god like in some manner and we the public are merely a herd of sheep that is meant to follow their leaders to the ends of the earth.
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