Author Topic: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR  (Read 6587 times)

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I've seen 3 or 4 thread started by someone claiming to have "inside information" that can help DPR/Ross's case.. I also got a PM about it with some interesting things.. now I saw with my OWN EYES these threads appearing, and then vanishing within minutes and the poster claiming he was being silence and what not.

Am I imagining this?! I couldn't have smoked that much tonight.. I aint hallucinating.

something is  up.. something weird is up. please tell me Im not imagining?


EDIT: screen shot by accuser purportedly showing an encrypted message from "libertas" admitting to having access to Silk Road admin/DPR account:
http://s13.postimg.org/iod3jmf47/proof.jpg


EDIT2: Apparently the person made a post on Reddit tying "libertas" to "grahamgreene" (on the old forum) to having also having admin/dpr/silkroad account access.. which would effectively show that Ross Ulbricht was not the only "mastermind" (if at all).

I am replicating the Reddit post here incase it gets deleted:

(reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1og2lu/turns_out_libertas_was_actively_using_the_dpr/)

Turns out "Libertas" was actively using the DPR account as an admin. "Libertas" was "GrahamGreene" Proof: (self.SilkRoad)

submitted 15 minutes ago by insider007

On the old Silk Road Forums this brings up "GrahamGreenes" profile: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=8204

This person, living in Ireland, confirmed then became promoted to "Libertas". Libertas was not only a forum moderator, but a Silk Road server site admin that routinely accessed the Dread Pirate Roberts admin account. A lot of the allegations attributed to Ross Ulbricht was actually "Libertas". This is irrefutable evidence that will be presented in court and has been passed on to Ross Ulbricht's attorney and his family.

Libertas/GrahamGreene let 1 man shamefully take the fall for actions he knowingly was involved in. A director at the AN Post who wished not to be identified has privately said they are looking into the matter, as well as the An Garda Siochana (Irish equivalent to FBI) are also aware and know that :

Amongst several activities of GrahamGreene/Libertas/Dread Pirate Roberts/Silk Road Admin

Ordering 2 to 4 Oz of marijuana every 2 weeks. On July 21st of last year his buyer stats were Total transactions: 43 Total spent: $9220.72

Then we have SEPA transfers (tied to his legitimate business bank account) with approximate date and times from Mt Gox.

CanadianBitcoins.com which was accessed via clear net (and kept logs) via Western Union. Western Union branches all, all have security cameras.

There is also have cigs.eu, also accessed via clear net and used to ship to the same address!

Ross Ulbricht may not be a patsy (or he might be), but he certainly is not the only one involved in this bizarre indictment. This information has been given to the office of Brandon Leblanc, the San Francisco Public Defender currently reprsenting Mr. Ulbricht.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 08:52:56 pm by weedblazer »

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 05:27:10 am »
this whole thing is run by the governent

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 05:28:05 am »
No, I saw them as well. A few times. Taken down immediately. I also received a PM.

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 05:30:55 am »
the guy claims he has evidence that could get DPR out of prison why wouldnt he just post it instead of just rambling on..
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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2013, 05:37:45 am »
It seems like he's been trying.. and keeps getting deleted and the threads are vanishing every single time. Not making any sense. Wouldn't the "management" around here want to HELP Ross Ulbricht/DPR? Instead of engaging in what seems to be a futile attempt to coverup whatever evidence is out there? I did reach out to the guy on his safe-mail and he doesn't seem like a drugged out maniac to me. Well spoken and cryptic, but nevertheless.. seems like some big revelations are going to be rocking the internet. He did mention something about Reddit.

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2013, 05:38:53 am »
the guy claims he has evidence that could get DPR out of prison why wouldnt he just post it instead of just rambling on..

Player.. how do you know? Did you also receive a PM?

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2013, 05:57:21 am »
no ive seen a couple threads get deleted they was actually kind of interesting
but the guy never gave any real info which was kinda funny because he kept getting deleted for nothing really
which is just sketchy
he claimed to have proof that ross wasnt the only DPR and even if this is true
which it most likely is i doubt those pigs even care anymore
they have over 3 mil in profit and someone to blame they could care less what happens next
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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2013, 05:59:46 am »
really sketchy :|

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2013, 06:57:02 am »
That's sketch af, I saw that the thread got deleted as well.


Realllly sketchy...

Wonder who exactly is behind this....

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2013, 06:59:54 am »
And I wonder what this "evidence" is.. and more importantly.. repeated vanishing threads/posts. Someones trying to hide something.
This doesn't seem like your average, run of the mill game of Troll vs Moderator hide-and-seek.

Really, really sketch as fuck.

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2013, 07:04:15 am »
And I wonder what this "evidence" is.. and more importantly.. repeated vanishing threads/posts. Someones trying to hide something.
This doesn't seem like your average, run of the mill game of Troll vs Moderator hide-and-seek.

Really, really sketch as fuck.

Agreed. I could also see this thread getting deleted IMO. Who knows wtf is going on

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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2013, 07:05:24 am »
bumped for visibility.

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2013, 07:20:21 am »
there was only 1 DPR
even if there was a dozen DPRs doesn't matter Ross is the latest one that ran the site and that's that.
posting a bunch of bullshit won't help his case whatsoever, call his lawyer if you have intel.


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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2013, 07:20:58 am »
In recent days we've come under a spam attack from one or two individuals who claim to have information regarding the case, however at every inspection these claims turn out to be false. I believe claiming to have such information but nothing to back it up would not be in the best interests of Ross Ulbricht and I feel is just another troll incidence or they would come to me directly. If somebody did have information regarding the case, it would be better brought up to myself since posting it publicly may have unintended consequences since there is much information not out in the public domain to protect individuals.
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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2013, 07:35:49 am »
In recent days we've come under a spam attack from one or two individuals who claim to have information regarding the case, however at every inspection these claims turn out to be false. I believe claiming to have such information but nothing to back it up would not be in the best interests of Ross Ulbricht and I feel is just another troll incidence or they would come to me directly. If somebody did have information regarding the case, it would be better brought up to myself since posting it publicly may have unintended consequences since there is much information not out in the public domain to protect individuals.

How would bringing it up to you help? You going to ring up Ross and tell him the good news?

Edit: sorry,been a long day
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 07:36:36 am by CrazyBart »

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2013, 07:37:10 am »
I just woke up to pee and seen all of this.....

what the heck??


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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2013, 07:37:47 am »
But what if it's NOT spam? What if there is truth it? I saw a thread on Reddit that there was another DPR/facilitator who lived in Ireland and that the poster was holding the personal information of this individual for LE or Ross Ulbricht's defense attorney.. and that a detailed document of evidence going to be presented so that the Irish LE could work on the case. It wouldn't be fair for simply let 1 man take the fall if there were others involved.

If such "evidence" and talk of such evidence were being posted here, it would be counter to saving the man accused/portrayed to be the previous DPR to simply silence this individual.

Can you elaborate on "inspection" of the evidence you have done to simply rubbish it and silence/remove any mention of it? Bringing it to your attention would seem like the logical move.. but then again in this complex "case", nobody would want to take the fall. Or say, let a "friend" take the fall when the feds already had one man ready to be hung at the gallows. If theres "evidence" that there were others involved.. why should Mr. Ross be the sole fall guy?

Whom or what is being protected with such ferocity?

And like the poster below (CrazyBart) said.. EXACTLY DEAD ON. "How would bringing it up to YOU help YOU or Ross?" Especially if this gentleman was a close associate of all involved in the current setup. Smells of a cover up.

Do I have a valid point, fellow forum members?

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2013, 07:39:27 am »
How would bringing it up to you help? You going to ring up Ross and tell him the good news?

Edit: sorry,been a long day

We have the best interests of everyone at heart and we are privy to information not available in the public domain and for this reason, a person with good intentions may easily end up damaging the case. Contacting us at least allows people to ensure that doesn't happen and may mean we are able to assist in passing information to the relative places should it be beneficial to the case of Ross Ulbricht in his favor.
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2013, 07:42:14 am »
Do you have the best interests of members of your current team that might or might not have the ability to exonerate, quite possibly, an INNOCENT man?


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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2013, 07:43:10 am »
How would bringing it up to you help? You going to ring up Ross and tell him the good news?

Edit: sorry,been a long day

We have the best interests of everyone at heart and we are privy to information not available in the public domain and for this reason, a person with good intentions may easily end up damaging the case. Contacting us at least allows people to ensure that doesn't happen and may mean we are able to assist in passing information to the relative places should it be beneficial to the case of Ross Ulbricht in his favor.

Thanks for the response. Hopefully things workout in ulbrichts favor. Thanks, DPR
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 07:50:48 am by CrazyBart »

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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2013, 07:49:11 am »
For the record.. I spoke to this gentleman who kept having his threads deleted. I emailed that address he gave, and had a lenghthy exhange with him.
I saw some VERY compelling evidence of things that are very disturbing.. and could quite frankly help if not CLEAR Ross Ulbricht's name/criminal charges.

I have respect for the new DPR.. but I don't think he should be the gatekeeper of all things having to do with this case.. especially when it means that there is someone out there who was just as culpable (if not solely responsible) for the crimes that Ross is being charged with. Given the fact of the "old ties that bind", it's fair, my dear community, to assume that if a current member of the new setup was somehow slightly culpable, that the "management" would want to protect him.And why not? I protect my friends.

But at the expense of a potential innocent who is facing life behind prison? All evidence should be submitted to the new DPR for his approval before discussing it with the forums? That's not logical in the least, with all due respect!

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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2013, 07:54:52 am »
What's happened has happened...  now lets move on.
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2013, 07:58:05 am »
So one should potentially pay the ultimate price, even if there are collaborators? Collaborators who might very well be behind the murder-for-hire plots and other allegations? That is not on ChemCat, that is not on.

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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2013, 08:01:02 am »
Even if what this person says it's true. This kind of information should be available to the public yet till it reaches the right hands first to help Ross. I'm sure we all want to know if it were true but, it can do more harm then good if openly shared before it reaches Ross's attorneys.

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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2013, 08:02:46 am »
Disagree. Transparency is key. Especially with LE watching every single move on this forum.

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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2013, 08:07:52 am »
Is that so? Then why is there a subforum created here specifically to discuss the Ross Ulbricht case, theories, trial and updates?

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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2013, 08:08:20 am »
Disagree. Transparency is key. Especially with LE watching every single move on this forum.

And that is the reason why??? He's going to share it on a underground drug markets forum. Will the judge find the evidence found viable? If he's going to put it on the public then do it the right way and I'm  sure any lawyer would agree.
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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2013, 08:08:39 am »
Quote from: cigrattesmokingman
So one should potentially pay the ultimate price, even if there are collaborators? Collaborators who might very well be behind the murder-for-hire plots and other allegations? That is not on ChemCat, that is not on.

huh? 

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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2013, 08:12:41 am »
Disagree. Transparency is key. Especially with LE watching every single move on this forum.

And that is the reason why??? He's going to share it on a underground drug markets forum. Will the judge find the evidence found viable? If he's going to put it on the public then do it the right way and I'm  sure any lawyer would agree.

one would hope. but you know how the deep web and its users are. unpredictable. capable of anything.

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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2013, 08:45:42 am »
if there is another person involved im sure ross already knows about it and the fact that he's keeping his mouth shut
and not selling out his partners or whoever was involved is just unbelievable not many people would do that the guy is a hero in all aspects
he def. deserves much more props and respect than he's getting i think whatever can be done to help him should be done at all cost
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« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2013, 08:47:02 am »
But what if it's NOT spam? What if there is truth it? I saw a thread on Reddit that there was another DPR/facilitator who lived in Ireland and that the poster was holding the personal information of this individual for LE or Ross Ulbricht's defense attorney.. and that a detailed document of evidence going to be presented so that the Irish LE could work on the case. It wouldn't be fair for simply let 1 man take the fall if there were others involved.

If such "evidence" and talk of such evidence were being posted here, it would be counter to saving the man accused/portrayed to be the previous DPR to simply silence this individual.

Can you elaborate on "inspection" of the evidence you have done to simply rubbish it and silence/remove any mention of it? Bringing it to your attention would seem like the logical move.. but then again in this complex "case", nobody would want to take the fall. Or say, let a "friend" take the fall when the feds already had one man ready to be hung at the gallows. If theres "evidence" that there were others involved.. why should Mr. Ross be the sole fall guy?

Whom or what is being protected with such ferocity?

And like the poster below (CrazyBart) said.. EXACTLY DEAD ON. "How would bringing it up to YOU help YOU or Ross?" Especially if this gentleman was a close associate of all involved in the current setup. Smells of a cover up.

Do I have a valid point, fellow forum members?

Yes, it is my opinion that it is something similar to what you are saying.
Here is my theory:
http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=217.0
I could be wrong in some particular aspects but I think that the general idea that Ross was just used could be the case.
I don't think Ross has the money, nor that he is on top of the piramid of this organization.

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« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2013, 08:49:11 am »
Ross's arrest is world wide news....To simply put it, if he's going to release it make sure everyone knows it...

And because of that the judge can easily rule the evidence as speculation. The lawyer needs time to look into it to make sure the evidence is in fact what it says it is. Otherwise it's useless.

But hey! I'm no lawyer so what do I know. I have been in and around enough trials to have a general idea that when it comes to evidence from criminals it's not taken seriously.
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« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2013, 08:56:28 am »
But what if it's NOT spam? What if there is truth it? I saw a thread on Reddit that there was another DPR/facilitator who lived in Ireland and that the poster was holding the personal information of this individual for LE or Ross Ulbricht's defense attorney.. and that a detailed document of evidence going to be presented so that the Irish LE could work on the case. It wouldn't be fair for simply let 1 man take the fall if there were others involved.

If such "evidence" and talk of such evidence were being posted here, it would be counter to saving the man accused/portrayed to be the previous DPR to simply silence this individual.

Can you elaborate on "inspection" of the evidence you have done to simply rubbish it and silence/remove any mention of it? Bringing it to your attention would seem like the logical move.. but then again in this complex "case", nobody would want to take the fall. Or say, let a "friend" take the fall when the feds already had one man ready to be hung at the gallows. If theres "evidence" that there were others involved.. why should Mr. Ross be the sole fall guy?

Whom or what is being protected with such ferocity?

And like the poster below (CrazyBart) said.. EXACTLY DEAD ON. "How would bringing it up to YOU help YOU or Ross?" Especially if this gentleman was a close associate of all involved in the current setup. Smells of a cover up.

Do I have a valid point, fellow forum members?

Yes, it is my opinion that it is something similar to what you are saying.
Here is my theory:
http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=217.0
I could be wrong in some particular aspects but I think that the general idea that Ross was just used could be the case.
I don't think Ross has the money, nor that he is on top of the piramid of this organization.

He's not. Now I am convinced of the other side of the story. I'm being bombarded by PM's asking me to share the information this "insider" shared.

I suggest you all contact him yourself.. it is not my place to reveal.

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« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2013, 09:10:31 am »
Im just saying why care about it when it doesnt involve you, the only way it would help Ross is to put it in his attorneys hands,

Is that so? Then why is there a subforum created here specifically to discuss the Ross Ulbricht case, theories, trial and updates?

very true and depending on what the information is, it's possibly better to keep it away from the public gaze until the lawyers have done what they need to.  It's possible that depending on the information, LE may approach the people to intimidate, arrest or even destroy the evidence before the lawyers could get to it.

If the info is real, it belongs with the lawyer - not us.  Otherwise it's just potentially damaging speculation.

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« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2013, 09:11:38 am »

I suggest you all contact him yourself.. it is not my place to reveal.

Got a name I can PM?

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« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2013, 09:16:11 am »
Yup tell the forum admin to fuck off thatll really get you somewhere

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« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2013, 09:17:29 am »
I don't want to get banned and deleted off to coverup whatever is being covered up here. Those wanting the contact details of this guy with evidence (and I've emailed with him.. and seen some shit that blew my mind which couldnt have been made up/photoshopped).. feel free to PM for his contact email.

If you're unable to PM.. that means they deleted MY account for no reason.. and then we know something definetly stinks around here.

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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2013, 09:19:40 am »
Yup tell the forum admin to fuck off thatll really get you somewhere

Might get you deleted.. along with your posts.. along with a rambling explanation that things must be kept private and given only to the gatekeeper.
The stench of foul is growing by the minute. And I have a feeling, when the lid blows.. the fallout might be shocking.

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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2013, 09:26:57 am »
Well I've just shot off an email to this safe mail address. Right now I think this is just someone having fun with people, going around everywhere talking about all the evidence he has that in reality doesnt exist.

But hey! Maybe I will get an email in return with all sorts of crazy information.

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« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2013, 09:37:24 am »
Yup tell the forum admin to fuck off thatll really get you somewhere
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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2013, 09:44:43 am »
Yup tell the forum admin to fuck off thatll really get you somewhere
Freedom of speech?

Right and DPR would have the freedom to ban your dumbass for needlessly insulting admins

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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2013, 09:52:01 am »
I replied to a thread where I suggested something not seeming right pointing out a few things and within 5 minutes, WHOLE THREAD DELETED.  I brought this up in another thread where someone said "really??? MODS??" which never got answered so, sketchy to say the least. 

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« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2013, 09:54:44 am »
Yup tell the forum admin to fuck off thatll really get you somewhere
Freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech is only to protect you from government censorship.  On privately run sites like this, the owners can do whatever they want.

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« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2013, 10:08:43 am »
Freedom of speech is only to protect you from government censorship.  On privately run sites like this, the owners can do whatever they want.

And that is exactly what they are doing.

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« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2013, 10:15:31 am »
Well what issues are we talking about? If its JTB telling new DPR to fuck off, I think DPR is well within his rights to say get fucked right back and ban him. If the issue is these conspiracy theories being deleted, well that depends on the merit of the claims doesnt it? Surely if they were nonsense they should be deleted. We'll i just had a little conversation with this guy claiming to have evidence. And he was very interested in sort of telling me a whole bunch of things, just a little bit. By which I mean he batted around the bush and avoided presenting real evidence until he just stopped responding. From my little encounter with him, DPR did a good job deleting these nonsense ramblings.
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« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2013, 10:31:37 am »
Yup tell the forum admin to fuck off thatll really get you somewhere
Freedom of speech?

Right and DPR would have the freedom to ban your dumbass for needlessly insulting admins
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« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2013, 10:37:02 am »
Can someone PM me with this 'evidence' that was deleted? I have been away from the forum for a day and must have missed it...
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« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2013, 10:49:43 am »
Well what issues are we talking about? If its JTB telling new DPR to fuck off, I think DPR is well within his rights to say get fucked right back and ban him. If the issue is these conspiracy theories being deleted, well that depends on the merit of the claims doesnt it? Surely if they were nonsense they should be deleted. We'll i just had a little conversation with this guy claiming to have evidence. And he was very interested in sort of telling me a whole bunch of things, just a little bit. By which I mean he batted around the bush and avoided presenting real evidence until he just stopped responding. From my little encounter with him, DPR did a good job deleting these nonsense ramblings.

This is fascism.

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« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2013, 11:02:17 am »
Exactly Ross will be turning in his sleep at the thought of such totalitarianism. this notwithstanding the new admins have demonstrated a high threshold when in comes to FOS.

Just look at the understanding the grave digger thread. I believe they have only censored info which is incendiary and or detrimental to Ross's case.
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« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2013, 11:07:59 am »
Exactly Ross will be turning in his sleep at the thought of such totalitarianism.

And I suspect that is one of the reasons he was set up to be arrrested. (He has too much good ideas about freedom, truly incompatible with a business of this calibre).

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« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2013, 11:12:17 am »
What, you think is was in some-one's interests  to see Ross eliminated from the the equation? He always stated he never even met with his closest advisers somebody had access to his real I.D. my moneys on this friend who hasn't spoken out.
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« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2013, 11:21:24 am »
What, you think is was in some-one's interests  to see Ross eliminated from the the equation? He always stated he never even met with his closest advisers somebody had access to his real I.D. my moneys on this friend who hasn't spoken out.

It is obvius when you connect the dots.
We don't know what his internal comunications were. But a man that commit certain errors like using "altoid" nickname in several public sites could be certainly commit many other errors that are easily circunvented by a noob hacker.
For example, he could reveal his IP while using his gmail account. Every message sent by gmail includes the IP address of the sender.
He could chat with an unprotected jabber account. He could say things to other admins like the city he is living on, and things like that.

I'm pretty sure the current admins knew who was DPR from the very beginning. In fact, I'm starting to think that Ross was just some small part of this organization, and a part that speaks TOO MUCH. So eliminate him from the equation, and you can fresh start.

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« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2013, 11:33:40 am »
Yes it's clear there's a lot of the picture we are missing. Maybe we know 40% of what went down. I know a weak link in such an organization would be a liability, and would be swiftly dealt with.

Maybe more will come out at the trial. Maybe the feds will apply to have the case heard in private. There are people out there who know more, and the feds know they're   co-conspirators who are up to their necks in it.

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« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2013, 01:59:04 pm »
The truth is all that matters for those who invested in this project and what shakes out shakes out. Nothing is more important than truth. Consequences will be what they will be. Give us the truth.

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« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2013, 02:24:18 pm »
Guys this is really important to think about, we all want dpr to get off, especially if there is more behind it as people are implying.

In a police interview you never say your side, you dont give them anything to verify, you need to give it to your lawyer and help it get prepped for your trial.  It is best to keep this kind of stuff out of the forums eye, but be ure that it gets to the top people who can fwd it on where it may be useful.

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p.s that said I did email insider and said lets hear it, he hasnt god back yet and I wont be posting any of it in public

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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2013, 02:27:25 pm »
Well what issues are we talking about? If its JTB telling new DPR to fuck off, I think DPR is well within his rights to say get fucked right back and ban him. If the issue is these conspiracy theories being deleted, well that depends on the merit of the claims doesnt it? Surely if they were nonsense they should be deleted. We'll i just had a little conversation with this guy claiming to have evidence. And he was very interested in sort of telling me a whole bunch of things, just a little bit. By which I mean he batted around the bush and avoided presenting real evidence until he just stopped responding. From my little encounter with him, DPR did a good job deleting these nonsense ramblings.

This is fascism.

Are you 12? What part of that is fascism? The part where the moderator on his own private message board does his job and moderates? Or the part where crazy ramblings of a cracked out lunatic were removed for being nonsense?

Because neither of those things are fascism. Or even close to it.

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« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2013, 02:29:05 pm »

one would hope. but you know how the deep web and its users are. unpredictable. capable of anything.

IIRC, the OP that was posting 'evidence' somehow continues to tie you, GrahamGreene in with some of that evidence that would clear Ross. One of these were links to comments you posted in the old forum some time ago. I read through your posts and it's clear that you have a decent grasp on back end operations. Furthermore, your posts here indicate you seem to have an interest in becoming a mod/admin on the new site. I find that interesting, especially since you've taken an interest in this thread, which discusses evidence that might clear Ross and indict someone else.
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« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2013, 02:33:07 pm »
I've been talking to this idiot on safemail for the last few hours. He's got nothing interesting to say. He just wants attention from morons that think hes got some inside information. He doesnt. Hes just an ass.
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« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2013, 02:43:14 pm »
I just wanted to jump in here to add that 'cigrattesmokingman' is also the poster 'GrahamGreene'.

This whole debacle likely stems from 'GrahamGreene's attempt to blackmail me by claiming that he has uncovered my identity and asking for payment in return for not revealing it, providing "evidence" to me to support his claims, all of which is incredibly far off the mark. I am ignoring any further messages from him, and I believe it's actually coachella420 / DealerOfDrugs / InfiniteSource / HallucinatingHorse / lookmomthedeepweb trying to stir up more drama.

To be frank, I'm surprised he hasn't reactivated his 'Libatard' account with the "googly eyed avatar" that always got a laugh. Instead he's just using my current avatar and signature in some wacky attempt to intimidate me into paying him not to reveal the false information that he has. That is not going to happen, and if there was anything for me to worry about, I would not be here right now.

Once you post something here it is forever in the public domain - it is important to note that from the very beginning and litter your posts with disinformation and misdirection in order to protect yourself from exactly the scenario set out above.

I trust this will serve to calm the 'conspiracy theories' that seem to be popping up about censorship etc. As always, any personal information posted on the forums will be removed no matter who that information belongs to, whether it is the purported information of FBI agents such as Christopher Tarbell, vendors, buyers or indeed members of staff.

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« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2013, 02:45:57 pm »
I just wanted to jump in here to add that 'cigrattesmokingman' is also the poster 'GrahamGreene'.

This whole debacle likely stems from 'GrahamGreene's attempt to blackmail me by claiming that he has uncovered my identity and asking for payment in return for not revealing it, providing "evidence" to me to support his claims, all of which is incredibly far off the mark. I am ignoring any further messages from him, and I believe it's actually coachella420 / DealerOfDrugs / InfiniteSource / HallucinatingHorse / lookmomthedeepweb trying to stir up more drama.

To be frank, I'm surprised he hasn't reactivated his 'Libatard' account with the "googly eyed avatar" that always got a laugh. Instead he's just using my current avatar and signature in some wacky attempt to intimidate me into paying him not to reveal the false information that he has. That is not going to happen, and if there was anything for me to worry about, I would not be here right now.

Once you post something here it is forever in the public domain - it is important to note that from the very beginning and litter your posts with disinformation and misdirection in order to protect yourself from exactly the scenario set out above.

I trust this will serve to calm the 'conspiracy theories' that seem to be popping up about censorship etc. As always, any personal information posted on the forums will be removed no matter who that information belongs to, whether it is the purported information of FBI agents such as Christopher Tarbell, vendors, buyers or indeed members of staff.

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« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2013, 02:51:17 pm »
Yea all of that makes sense. In our safe mail conversation, this dumbass pretty much just spoke cryptically about 2 people whos identities he knows but he wouldnt actually say anything of value. Probably because he doesnt actually know anything of value.

Fucking crack heads. And it makes sense that smokes is the one behind the insider@safe-mail.net account, having been the only one to see this awesome evidence.

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« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2013, 03:26:51 pm »
Well what issues are we talking about? If its JTB telling new DPR to fuck off, I think DPR is well within his rights to say get fucked right back and ban him. If the issue is these conspiracy theories being deleted, well that depends on the merit of the claims doesnt it? Surely if they were nonsense they should be deleted. We'll i just had a little conversation with this guy claiming to have evidence. And he was very interested in sort of telling me a whole bunch of things, just a little bit. By which I mean he batted around the bush and avoided presenting real evidence until he just stopped responding. From my little encounter with him, DPR did a good job deleting these nonsense ramblings.

This is fascism.

Are you 12? What part of that is fascism? The part where the moderator on his own private message board does his job and moderates? Or the part where crazy ramblings of a cracked out lunatic were removed for being nonsense?

Because neither of those things are fascism. Or even close to it.

You're certainly a shit crap.
Fascism is any kind of censorship, specially censorship of people you don't like or people that do say what you don't like.
If you think he is a lunatic, good for you. But censoring him converts you into the real fucking fascist lunatic and proves that you are afraid OF him, perhaps just because he is right.
"his own private message board" is like saying "my country". The word private here is used by you and the rest of fascists as an excuse for your fascist activities.

Now it is becoming really truth that YOU are not remotely close to what Ross is, and that you don't understand what freedom is. You're just mere parasites flying around Ross principles and the site he constructed, to see who is the one who get the most out of it, destroy it, and make yourself rich in the process.

This entire new site stinks like shit.

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« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2013, 03:42:02 pm »

You're certainly a shit crap.


Shit crap. Cool.

Fascism is any kind of censorship, specially censorship of people you don't like or people that do say what you don't like.

Fascism is any type of censorship. Wow. I must have missed that day in politics and government? It has nothing to do with the organization structure of the government, domination of corporations, etc. Nope, all about censorship apparently.

There is always censorship. And it does not equate to fascism. How do you exist on the internet at all? At every site you go to are you just reduced to screaming about fascism constantly? Moderators arent exclusive to SR.

If you think he is a lunatic, good for you. But censoring him converts you into the real fucking fascist lunatic and proves that you are afraid OF him, perhaps just because he is right.

At some point you have to say "Ok this is spam". If he had evidence it wouldnt be deleted. Ive had conversations with him over safe mail. Do you want copies? They are *nonsense*. He's bluffing, and he has no information to release. It becomes obvious after 2 seconds of conversation.

"his own private message board" is like saying "my country". The word private here is used by you and the rest of fascists as an excuse for your fascist activities.

What the hell? Why use analogies at all? Its not like saying "my country", its like saying "my website". You arent going to find any website that doesnt fit this rule. If its your website you get to have some say in whats on it. Is that illegal? If you ran a website wouldnt you want the ability to moderate it? Some libertarians are just selfish individuals putting a fancy name on it. You dont want a free format where everyone is free to do what they like, you want a format where you have all rights and mods and webmasters have none.

Now it is becoming really truth that YOU are not remotely close to what Ross is, and that you don't understand what freedom is. You're just mere parasites flying around Ross principles and the site he constructed, to see who is the one who get the most out of it, destroy it, and make yourself rich in the process.

You dont know anything more about DPR than anyone else here does you fucking idiot. Yea I dont know shit about DPR personally, he lived thousands of miles away from me. But neither do you. I dont understand what freedom is? I understand that freedom also includes the ability to moderate a website that you fucking own and created. Do you understand that? I also understand freedom *doesnt* include the right spam meth head conspiracy theories all over the forums.

We're destroying what ross made because libertas and DPR are moderating the site? Do you think ross didnt moderate SR when he was DPR? Jesus fuck man you're delusional.

This entire new site stinks like shit.

Then fucking leave! We clearly do not want people like you here. We are about business. We want to get the marketplace back up and running, see vendors return with confidence and buyers come trusting again. We dont want the forums littered with people theorizing nonsense conspiracies about DPR and lambasting the new admins as LEA and informants or wtfever else.

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« Reply #63 on: October 14, 2013, 04:07:26 pm »

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You're certainly a shit crap.

This entire new site stinks like shit.
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Because someone corrected you on your improper use of the term fascism? Show your ass to the door then. I'm sure the average I.Q. of all members in the forums will go up a few points just by you leaving. There are too many idiotic posts littered across the forum from people that sound like they are real life versions of Badger and Skinny Pete from Breaking Bad.

Also, thank you Libertas for sharing your thoughts on CigaretteSmokingMan. It makes sense.

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« Reply #64 on: October 14, 2013, 06:59:40 pm »
Libertas,

You fail to mention that on the previous Silk Road forum.. you were actually GrahamGreene. And you were ordering multiple Oz of weed every few weeks.
Amongst several, ordering 2 to 4 Oz of marijuana every 2 weeks. Actually, on July 21st of last year your buyer stats were
Total transactions: 43
Total spent: $9220.72
Then we have SEPA transfers (tied to your legitimate business bank account) with approximate date and times from Mt Gox.
We have CanadianBitcoins.com which was accessed via clear net (and kept logs) via good old Western Union. Western Union branches all, all have security cameras.
Then we have cigs.eu, also accessed via clear net and used to ship to the same address!


This all points to your involvement, all the way from Ireland, in helping set up Ross Ulbricht to take the fall for actions you helped him commit while you were part of the weekly paid staff.

You think it's fair, or morally acceptable, to let one man take all the guilt?

If this thread is deleted.. that's not a problem. Will keep returning. Hopefully.. for the sake of fairness, it would not be.




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« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2013, 07:02:12 pm »
If this is whacky information.. let it stay. Hell, it's all information from the previous forums from "GrahamGreene's" account. So, since that would be my account. I have the right to reference my old posts, right?

That shouldn't make you nervous, right Lib?

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« Reply #66 on: October 14, 2013, 07:12:07 pm »
i am not "graham greene" for the record. also for the record, i will not be commenting further on this matter.

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« Reply #67 on: October 14, 2013, 07:23:29 pm »
In related news, 2 days ago the reddit community on r/sheepmarketplace crowdsourced an effort to list all of Hallucinating Horse/DOD/Coachella's Reddit accounts.  He then deleted the accounts.  As the sunrise follows the sunset, there will be an an uptick in his activity on other forums.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SheepMarketplace/comments/1o9cue/lets_start_a_list_of_dods_names/

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« Reply #68 on: October 14, 2013, 07:27:43 pm »
If this is whacky information.. let it stay. Hell, it's all information from the previous forums from "GrahamGreene's" account. So, since that would be my account. I have the right to reference my old posts, right?

That shouldn't make you nervous, right Lib?

An interesting trend you portray. In some posts you're commending Libertas for his diligence and hard work for the cause, and even praising him "for everything that you do", yet the verbiage you're now spewing is an attempt at doxxing? 

Source of praise (there are others): http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=561.msg6079#msg6079
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« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2013, 07:31:35 pm »
I would never "doxx" anyone.

And anyways, it seems that someone already posted about this on Reddit and passed this info onto Ross's attorney this morning:

(CLEARNET) : reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1og2lu/turns_out_libertas_was_actively_using_the_dpr/


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« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2013, 07:33:12 pm »
i am not "graham greene" for the record. also for the record, i will not be commenting further on this matter.

I find that odd and unlikely, simply based on how you "both" write. For starters, every post that either you or "GrahamGreene" write, there is a consistent pattern of using 2 (two) ellipses after words.  For instance:

GrahamGreene: http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=561.msg6079#msg6079
"Libertas.. I sent you a msg on the old forum.. but as you recall our conversation.."

cigrattesmokingman: http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=594.msg6510#msg6510
"Might get you deleted.. along with your posts.. along with a rambling explanation that things must be kept private and given only to the gatekeeper.. The stench of foul is growing by the minute. And I have a feeling, when the lid blows.. "

Also as I sit here and watch posts from both users, one logs off and the other logs on, within seconds of each other. I have yet to see both accounts logged on at the same time. I am keeping track. And I'm sure that Libertas has more proof tying the multiple accounts together to one poster.
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« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2013, 07:35:37 pm »
I would never "doxx" anyone.

And anyways, it seems that someone already posted about this on Reddit and passed this info onto Ross's attorney this morning:

(CLEARNET) : reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1og2lu/turns_out_libertas_was_actively_using_the_dpr/

That links to a reddit post that was made 8 minutes ago, and has since been deleted. Odd.
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« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2013, 07:37:30 pm »
Get your tin foil out peeps, I'm coming in hard with a theory of my own...

...GrahamGreene is actually Libertas, and she's ... (wait for it) ... actually trolling herself.

*Rolls Eyes*

Get real GG, this is silly.
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« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2013, 07:39:17 pm »
I would never "doxx" anyone.

And anyways, it seems that someone already posted about this on Reddit and passed this info onto Ross's attorney this morning:

(CLEARNET) : reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1og2lu/turns_out_libertas_was_actively_using_the_dpr/

It is deleted. Please present real proof.

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« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2013, 07:40:46 pm »
really? wow. something reeks.
 well this is what the Reddit post said, which I am looking right at on my browser. let me copy/paste:



Turns out "Libertas" was actively using the DPR account as an admin. "Libertas" was "GrahamGreene" Proof: (self.SilkRoad)


On the old Silk Road Forums this brings up "GrahamGreenes" profile: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=8204

This person, living in Ireland, confirmed then became promoted to "Libertas". Libertas was not only a forum moderator, but a Silk Road server site admin that routinely accessed the Dread Pirate Roberts admin account. A lot of the allegations attributed to Ross Ulbricht was actually "Libertas". This is irrefutable evidence that will be presented in court and has been passed on to Ross Ulbricht's attorney and his family.

Libertas/GrahamGreene let 1 man shamefully take the fall for actions he knowingly was involved in. A director at the AN Post who wished not to be identified has privately said they are looking into the matter, as well as the An Garda Siochana (Irish equivalent to FBI) are also aware and know that :

Amongst several activities of GrahamGreene/Libertas/Dread Pirate Roberts/Silk Road Admin

Ordering 2 to 4 Oz of marijuana every 2 weeks. On July 21st of last year his buyer stats were Total transactions: 43 Total spent: $9220.72

Then we have SEPA transfers (tied to his legitimate business bank account) with approximate date and times from Mt Gox.

CanadianBitcoins.com which was accessed via clear net (and kept logs) via Western Union. Western Union branches all, all have security cameras.

There is also have cigs.eu, also accessed via clear net and used to ship to the same address!

Ross Ulbricht may not be a patsy (or he might be), but he certainly is not the only one involved in this bizarre indictment. This information has been gi

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« Reply #75 on: October 14, 2013, 07:42:26 pm »
Libertas,

You fail to mention that on the previous Silk Road forum.. you were actually GrahamGreene. And you were ordering multiple Oz of weed every few weeks.
Amongst several, ordering 2 to 4 Oz of marijuana every 2 weeks. Actually, on July 21st of last year your buyer stats were
Total transactions: 43
Total spent: $9220.72
Then we have SEPA transfers (tied to your legitimate business bank account) with approximate date and times from Mt Gox.
We have CanadianBitcoins.com which was accessed via clear net (and kept logs) via good old Western Union. Western Union branches all, all have security cameras.
Then we have cigs.eu, also accessed via clear net and used to ship to the same address!


This all points to your involvement, all the way from Ireland, in helping set up Ross Ulbricht to take the fall for actions you helped him commit while you were part of the weekly paid staff.

You think it's fair, or morally acceptable, to let one man take all the guilt?

If this thread is deleted.. that's not a problem. Will keep returning. Hopefully.. for the sake of fairness, it would not be.

Even if we assume that Lib actually was grahamgreene on the old forum how would this help Ross in any way? None of his charges will be lessened or taken away, you will just throw another innocent man away....I thoguht you might actually have some real info but now we all know you are full of rubbish.

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« Reply #76 on: October 14, 2013, 07:44:17 pm »
Excuse me? 1 man charged to take the fall? Ever heard of "conspiracy" charges as well as "co-conspirator in running an ongoing criminal enterprise"?


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« Reply #77 on: October 14, 2013, 07:47:13 pm »
Excuse me? 1 man charged to take the fall? Ever heard of "conspiracy" charges as well as "co-conspirator in running an ongoing criminal enterprise"?

Why would you want to throw another person under the bus too? Obviously the feds already know he had paid staff

Ross has not even been found guilty yet....Take a chill pill and let things fall into their place.

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« Reply #78 on: October 14, 2013, 07:48:56 pm »
A couple of my comments were deleted....I didn't think much of it, just thought ok well, admins are the boss.  But now even my comments are disappearing - anything that I'm saying that is politely questioning the site versus other sites.  I'm pretty disappointed at this....My intentions are nothing but good and yet when I see opposing viewpoints on posts not get deleted and my posts being sandblasted, I'm thinking that perhaps there is something wrong here.  I would go as far to say that if LE was running the site, they might run it this way to keep people around because censorship is certainly not a tenet of our community- I know that for sure.  This is a compliment to the folks sincere to the cause.  If I have been totally mistaken, I am happy to apologize.   
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« Reply #79 on: October 14, 2013, 07:49:16 pm »
Excuse me? 1 man charged to take the fall? Ever heard of "conspiracy" charges as well as "co-conspirator in running an ongoing criminal enterprise"?

I don't think that anyone has plausibly denied that there were associates on payroll as admins for SR. Nobody thinks that DPR ran everything by himself. What you provided were claims, not proof. I'm sure the attorney that you passed this information on to will clue you in.
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« Reply #80 on: October 14, 2013, 07:49:35 pm »
very valid points (on both sides). CrazyBart makes a very valid point in my eyes. I'm sorry.. but if "libertas" also was masquerading as dread pirate roberts, and the writing style of "libertas" and "grahamgreene" do match.. and would match LE analysis.. then it wouldn't be fair to throw only Ross under the bus.

however, this information is best left to LE scrutiny and the attorneys for Mr. Ulbricht.


I have updated the OP.

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« Reply #81 on: October 14, 2013, 07:50:03 pm »
Excuse me? 1 man charged to take the fall? Ever heard of "conspiracy" charges as well as "co-conspirator in running an ongoing criminal enterprise"?

So, who is guilty, Ross or Libertas?

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« Reply #82 on: October 14, 2013, 07:50:20 pm »
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« Reply #83 on: October 14, 2013, 07:50:44 pm »
Excuse me? 1 man charged to take the fall? Ever heard of "conspiracy" charges as well as "co-conspirator in running an ongoing criminal enterprise"?

Why would you want to throw another person under the bus too? Obviously the feds already know he had paid staff


Because he not only has a vested interest, he also has something to hide himself.
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« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2013, 07:52:43 pm »
Excuse me? 1 man charged to take the fall? Ever heard of "conspiracy" charges as well as "co-conspirator in running an ongoing criminal enterprise"?

So, who is guilty, Ross or Libertas?

RIGHT NOW NEITHER! BOTH ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE. "guilt" is a very terrible word and must be used with caution. it's no secret that
DPR had paid staff. and the fact that Libertas has been "outed" as "GrahamGreene" means fuckall. So what? We all have used other handles.

The question remains if Ross wasn't the person ordering "hits" and other nefarious accusations. This would kind of jive with what the Ulbricht attorney/family has said that they have evidence refuting that Ross ordered the "hits" atleast as written about in online news reports.

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« Reply #85 on: October 14, 2013, 07:53:33 pm »
Excuse me? 1 man charged to take the fall? Ever heard of "conspiracy" charges as well as "co-conspirator in running an ongoing criminal enterprise"?

Why would you want to throw another person under the bus too? Obviously the feds already know he had paid staff


Because he not only has a vested interest, he also has something to hide himself.

who? ross? or dpr/libertas?

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« Reply #86 on: October 14, 2013, 07:55:09 pm »
I appeal and urge the mods/admins of this thread to NOT lock and delete it. That would be in very poor taste. I think people are well interested enough and have a right to debate both sides of this. Simply because a moderator's "alleged past handle (grahamgreene)" is referenced.. should not make this thread TABOO.

As long as theres no "doxxing" or foul behaviour here.. I am going to insist this thread NOT be locked.

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« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2013, 07:55:25 pm »
Wait GG your'e Libertas?  All these conspiracies have me so fucking confused.  I mean you and Libertas look alike in your picture and all.  lol
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« Reply #88 on: October 14, 2013, 07:56:41 pm »

DPR had paid staff. and the fact that Libertas has been "outed" as "GrahamGreene" means fuckall. So what? We all have used other handles.


Libertas hasn't been "outed" as anybody. There is a psycho on here claiming proof, but has provided nothing but a theory.

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« Reply #89 on: October 14, 2013, 07:58:51 pm »
For those of you just joining this thread here are the things we have learned so far;
--GrahamGreene on the old forum ordered weed every once in awhile.

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« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2013, 08:02:32 pm »
Excuse me? 1 man charged to take the fall? Ever heard of "conspiracy" charges as well as "co-conspirator in running an ongoing criminal enterprise"?

So, who is guilty, Ross or Libertas?

RIGHT NOW NEITHER! BOTH ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE. "guilt" is a very terrible word and must be used with caution. it's no secret that
DPR had paid staff. and the fact that Libertas has been "outed" as "GrahamGreene" means fuckall. So what? We all have used other handles.

The question remains if Ross wasn't the person ordering "hits" and other nefarious accusations. This would kind of jive with what the Ulbricht attorney/family has said that they have evidence refuting that Ross ordered the "hits" atleast as written about in online news reports.

Please provide links to the family information.

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« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2013, 08:04:36 pm »
thats what im saying. Libertas being "grahamgreene' or "johnwayne" or "JohnDillinger" for all intents doesnt prove/mean anything.

don't you get what I'm saying? but this entire thing.. plus threads repeatedly being locked and vanishing posts.. that's not cool man, not cool

libertas and anyone else has a right to have used past handles, theres no crime in that per se.

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« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2013, 08:06:45 pm »
https://reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1nugu8/ross_ulbrichts_parents_say_there_is_no_chance/

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« Reply #93 on: October 14, 2013, 08:15:41 pm »
A couple of my comments were deleted....I didn't think much of it, just thought ok well, admins are the boss.  But now even my comments are disappearing - anything that I'm saying that is politely questioning the site versus other sites.  I'm pretty disappointed at this....My intentions are nothing but good and yet when I see opposing viewpoints on posts not get deleted and my posts being sandblasted, I'm thinking that perhaps there is something wrong here.  I would go as far to say that if LE was running the site, they might run it this way to keep people around because censorship is certainly not a tenet of our community- I know that for sure.  This is a compliment to the folks sincere to the cause.  If I have been totally mistaken, I am happy to apologize.

Which posts/comments were removed? Perhaps the threads themselves were just moved to a new subforum? I know that you had made some comments in two posts I made earlier regarding the jail house interview with Ross Ulbricht and also the thread I started with his mailing address to the jail. Those were both moved out of this forum and into the Case & Theories forum here: http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?board=16.0
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 08:16:16 pm by lithonius »
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« Reply #94 on: October 14, 2013, 08:16:59 pm »
For those of you just joining this thread here are the things we have learned so far;
--GrahamGreene on the old forum ordered weed every once in awhile.

Now that was funny.  I actually just wasted a half hour here, I want it back

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« Reply #95 on: October 14, 2013, 08:24:00 pm »
http://s13.postimg.org/iod3jmf47/proof.jpg

Here we have Libertas admitting to things that might save Ross!

EDIT: image link modified
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 08:50:19 pm by GrahamGreene »

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« Reply #96 on: October 14, 2013, 08:26:40 pm »
So, Ross was just a trader fucker that spent most of his time running EURUSD and that's where he obtained the $80M that happens to be in bitcoins, but was setup by a guy now called Libertas so he can continue to run SR on his own?

Where are the $80M, boys, that is the question. Follow the fucking $80M and you'll get the real DPR.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 08:29:46 pm by rothchild »

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« Reply #97 on: October 14, 2013, 08:31:40 pm »
These conspiracies/identity call outs bore me.

This isn't what the road was made for, it should never be like this.

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« Reply #98 on: October 14, 2013, 08:32:56 pm »
http://lookpic.com/O/i2/1872/cvw4U8w3.jpeg

Here we have Libertas admitting to things that might save Ross!

Do you use to post links to incomplete/deleted things?
It says 403 - Forbidden

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« Reply #99 on: October 14, 2013, 08:36:02 pm »
I am so sorry. Can you provide me with a tor accessible image hosting site? Ill be glad to upload.

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« Reply #100 on: October 14, 2013, 08:36:21 pm »
Wow what a surprise, there is more than one player, and one got taken down while the rest got away, think I saw that one on Miami Vice.  I am sure most people just want a new secure market opened up, the only people that go running around with this stuff are people that want attention and to feel close to the action.  At least it gives me something to read.

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« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2013, 08:42:45 pm »
I've posted  several threads with REAL CONCRETE EVIDENCE connecting Ross-baby and Edward Snowden's stripper girlfriend with a robbery at Ft Knox under the watchful eye of Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) which lead both directly and indirectly to the government shutdown. But each thread has been mysteriously deleted, with reasons like "These aren't facts", and "Are you some sort of ape armed retard, wtf are you talking about?".

Anyone with half a brain can tell that this clearly means Libertas and New-DPR (or Bread Pirate Roberts as we like to call him hahaha) are fucking fascists!

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« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2013, 08:44:18 pm »
Wow what a surprise, there is more than one player, and one got taken down while the rest got away, think I saw that one on Miami Vice.  I am sure most people just want a new secure market opened up, the only people that go running around with this stuff are people that want attention and to feel close to the action.  At least it gives me something to read.

Observe it....
GrahamGreene at this time is blackmailing Libertas. If GrahamGreene wins, this post will be lost in the inmensity.... (he would have obtained his money) but if Libertas wins, he will be the new hero of SR.

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« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2013, 08:47:53 pm »
I am so sorry. Can you provide me with a tor accessible image hosting site? Ill be glad to upload.

You have the skills to blackmail Libertas and yet you're asking for an image server?

I hope you are only retaining information so you can get your payment.


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« Reply #104 on: October 14, 2013, 08:49:02 pm »
Blackmail?!?!?! DONT BE SILLY! AN INNOCENT MANS LIFE HANGS IN THE BALANCE

http://s13.postimg.org/iod3jmf47/proof.jpg

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« Reply #105 on: October 14, 2013, 08:51:41 pm »
Blackmail?!?!?! DONT BE SILLY! AN INNOCENT MANS LIFE HANGS IN THE BALANCE

http://s13.postimg.org/iod3jmf47/proof.jpg

So you're saying that Ross had no dealings or involvement in SR on the back end level whatsoever? That, afterall, is what the term "innocent" would mean, right?
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« Reply #106 on: October 14, 2013, 08:51:58 pm »
*OP UPDATED*

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« Reply #107 on: October 14, 2013, 08:55:12 pm »
This img: http://s13.postimg.org/iod3jmf47/proof.jpg

Libertas, do you refute this? Is there a way to verify that PGP message came from Libertas? I can't possibly be seeing things here..

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« Reply #108 on: October 14, 2013, 08:55:56 pm »
Blackmail?!?!?! DONT BE SILLY! AN INNOCENT MANS LIFE HANGS IN THE BALANCE

http://s13.postimg.org/iod3jmf47/proof.jpg

How did you obtained his secret key?

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« Reply #109 on: October 14, 2013, 08:58:14 pm »
I did not. That's a message sent by Libertas. Only he would have his secret key. Now, if Libertas will either be silent, confirm, or deny he sent that message..
seems to be some people RUSH to call out people for "trolling conspiracy theorists" when in fact there is some pretty interesting "evidence" (if you want to call it that). Let's be fair here.

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« Reply #110 on: October 14, 2013, 08:58:48 pm »
Blackmail?!?!?! DONT BE SILLY! AN INNOCENT MANS LIFE HANGS IN THE BALANCE

http://s13.postimg.org/iod3jmf47/proof.jpg

How did you obtained his secret key?

I'm just going to be frank here, because clearly you didn't get the hint in your own post about PGP: http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=551.msg6741#msg6741

You know absolutely nothing about how PGP works.
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« Reply #111 on: October 14, 2013, 08:59:33 pm »
Blackmail?!?!?! DONT BE SILLY! AN INNOCENT MANS LIFE HANGS IN THE BALANCE


that's what this is actually about?

it's funny, if you're being facetious, then you're an asshole. if you're being genuine, you're also kinda being an asshole, but a less intelligent one.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 09:00:15 pm by ondine »

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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #112 on: October 14, 2013, 09:02:39 pm »
I did not. That's a message sent by Libertas. Only he would have his secret key. Now, if Libertas will either be silent, confirm, or deny he sent that message..
seems to be some people RUSH to call out people for "trolling conspiracy theorists" when in fact there is some pretty interesting "evidence" (if you want to call it that). Let's be fair here.

You've now asked him in 3 separate posts in the last 5 minutes to respond to you.  Give him/her a chance to respond.  According to the forum info, Libertas is offline. 
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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #113 on: October 14, 2013, 09:03:41 pm »
Oh, I confused recipients, sorry.

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« Reply #114 on: October 14, 2013, 09:04:45 pm »
point taken lithonius. thanx for pointing that out. only he can confirm or deny whether he did send that message.
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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #115 on: October 14, 2013, 09:08:42 pm »
What's happened has happened...  now lets move on.

I agree with you 100 percent.  If LE was behind this forum, this is how they would handle the forums because they lack experience with this community organically.  If a true sincere SilkRoad admin or enthusiast was running this forum we KNOW that they would not censor within reason.  I think we need to think about this carefully.
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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #116 on: October 14, 2013, 09:11:22 pm »
Exactly Ross will be turning in his sleep at the thought of such totalitarianism. this notwithstanding the new admins have demonstrated a high threshold when in comes to FOS.

Just look at the understanding the grave digger thread. I believe they have only censored info which is incendiary and or detrimental to Ross's case.

Very well made point, even if it is using yourself as an example lol.  I mean, if they're not going to censor that, why would they censor anything! barring spam of course...
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« Reply #117 on: October 14, 2013, 09:16:05 pm »
hopefully "They" arent censoring anything. 1 member of the team is frantically doing everything he can to cover-up his involvement in potentially a murder-for hire allegation. The Irish LE are not stupid.

it would be VERY disappointing if "they" were in fact deleting/censoring in attempts to cover for one of their own. i don't think thats the case. i think the rest of the team has no idea to the extent of 'libertas' involvement.. and then near weaseling out of it (as seen http://s13.postimg.org/iod3jmf47/proof.jpg)

If thats not called WEASELING out.. then I dunno what is!

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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #118 on: October 14, 2013, 09:22:39 pm »
So this is being run by LE, probably as an attempt to catch more admins/vendors?

But then I don't understand, why create another forum when they can use the old one? Is it because they didn't find where is it or couldn't close it for some reason?

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« Reply #119 on: October 14, 2013, 09:29:32 pm »
Anyone selling pitchforks for BTC could make a killing right now. A mob is forming.
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« Reply #120 on: October 14, 2013, 09:30:04 pm »
please stop floding my inbox. im not talking anymore on this topic and i had nothing more to say. i received what can be amounted to a threat of violence to cease, and I am letting the forum know I am backing out of this thread NOT on my own free will but under cryptic threats that I can't take lightly. thats all i have to personally say on this.

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« Reply #121 on: October 14, 2013, 09:38:43 pm »
thats rich. photoshop. i think its fair to let libertas himself address that screen capture. something tells me he wont.

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« Reply #122 on: October 14, 2013, 09:40:27 pm »
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« Reply #123 on: October 14, 2013, 09:44:33 pm »
Ok. Are you or are you not Coachella? In this instance your experience with puppet posts, stylography analysis and multiple vendor accounts and social engineering skills would be an asset and would ironically give you credibility in this situation; or at the very least a primal ability to read an manipulate people. Which is why I'm also able to do the things that you do. But I use my skills for the greater good.

So what say you Coachella?

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« Reply #124 on: October 14, 2013, 09:45:29 pm »
@GrahamGreene - How do you know so much?

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« Reply #125 on: October 14, 2013, 09:51:25 pm »
Ok I think I have given this thread enough air. 

I was the one deleting all his "evidence" post due to the fact they are nothing more than trolling garbage. 

The "evidence" providing by the original poster  is clearly doctored images or pointless posts. It nothing more than a poor trolling attempt. And the most convincing evidence he had was the fact that I kept disappearing his threads. That's why I have left this for 24hours.

cigrattesmokingman has received no PM at all. let alone any threatening PMs.

weedblazer/cigrattesmokingman/GrahamGreene are the same person, and I have verified it based on their log in/log out session times.

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« Reply #126 on: October 14, 2013, 09:52:26 pm »
so coachella/hh the meth head suddenly has a moment of clarity, psychic premonition, inside information, and irrefutable evidence Libertas admitting to being GrahamGreene (not so much of a big deal), and also admitting to having access to the DPR account (VERY BIG DEAL), and also near gloating that he didn't get caught and only Ross will be going down as DPR (SHAMEFULLY BIG DEAL). ?

I don't think that tweaker is that informed Bruce, and you know it.

re-read this with an unbiased, open mind and look at this guy nearly gloat about getting away with being one of the DPR's (effectively)

http://s13.postimg.org/iod3jmf47/proof.jpg

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« Reply #127 on: October 14, 2013, 09:57:48 pm »
cant say i didnt see this coming
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« Reply #128 on: October 14, 2013, 10:07:44 pm »
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« Reply #129 on: October 14, 2013, 10:10:01 pm »
something doesn't make sense though..

those threads that kept getting deleted.. about 5 times in a row by "Sarge". At that time those threads were nothing more then a link to the old SR forum "show GrahamGreene's post". It was nothing more then grahamgreene's post history.... why on earth would that warrant such fercious and lightingspeed deletion Sarge?

that was before the screen shots and all this reddit business and other craziness. you guys delete threads because they contain nothing more then a harmless link to someones post history? if i linked my own post history on the old sr forum... i'd get banned and deleted?

were those threads only containing post history of grahamgreene? please let us know.. jeez I hope I don't get silenced for asking an innocent question

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« Reply #130 on: October 14, 2013, 10:11:38 pm »
Its just like blow, I keep coming back.  Might not need the market after all.

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« Reply #131 on: October 14, 2013, 10:12:32 pm »
i think i have a valid question.

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« Reply #132 on: October 14, 2013, 10:12:55 pm »
hey, if libertas is DPR, then, who the fuck am I ?

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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #133 on: October 14, 2013, 10:15:57 pm »
COACHELLA I'M A CALLING YOU OUT HOMBRE.

If you say it enough he gets bored and admits it and makes a new account and comes back in three weeks.

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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #134 on: October 14, 2013, 10:17:52 pm »
Here we got the case of a MEGA-troll.

I've never seen anything like this before, he has fooled many of us, and he continues...

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« Reply #135 on: October 14, 2013, 10:18:52 pm »
These trolls wants nothing more than to bring attention to themself.

Rapid removal is the best defense against trolls.
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« Reply #136 on: October 14, 2013, 10:29:04 pm »
These trolls wants nothing more than to bring attention to themself.

Rapid removal is the best defense against trolls.

That doesn't answer my question sir. I understand what trolls are, and I understand what spam is, and I understand how moderators make decisions.

My question to YOU, since YOU deleted those threads rapidly. Those threads contained NOTHING more then "http://hhsihfishfihfs.onion/showposts=user123" or something along those lines. Nothing more then a URL that showed all of "grahamgreene"s posts on the previous Silk Road forum. Correct?

Is that trolling? Because I've seen about 100 posts in this forum as of right now that have links to the OLD SR forum. Is it a bannable offense to post a link to the post history of a user on the old Sr forum? No personal information, no safety being compromised, no accusations, just a link to GrahamGreene/Libertas' post history on the first Silk Forum.

Is that what got those threads banned, Sarg-o?


edit: that supposed troll was bringing no attention to him/herself. All they were bringing attention to is a post history of GrahamGreene on Silk Road Forums.
Please clarify.. is posting GrahamGreene/Libertas' post history on the old forum a bannable offense? I think that's pertinent enough for you to answer directly.
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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #137 on: October 14, 2013, 10:35:27 pm »
These trolls wants nothing more than to bring attention to themself.

Rapid removal is the best defense against trolls.

That doesn't answer my question sir. I understand what trolls are, and I understand what spam is, and I understand how moderators make decisions.

My question to YOU, since YOU deleted those threads rapidly. Those threads contained NOTHING more then "http://hhsihfishfihfs.onion/showposts=user123" or something along those lines. Nothing more then a URL that showed all of "grahamgreene"s posts on the previous Silk Road forum. Correct?

Is that trolling? Because I've seen about 100 posts in this forum as of right now that have links to the OLD SR forum. Is it a bannable offense to post a link to the post history of a user on the old Sr forum? No personal information, no safety being compromised, no accusations, just a link to GrahamGreene/Libertas' post history on the first Silk Forum.

Is that what got those threads banned, Sarg-o?


edit: that supposed troll was bringing no attention to him/herself. All they were bringing attention to is a post history of GrahamGreene on Silk Road Forums.
Please clarify.. is posting GrahamGreene/Libertas' post history on the old forum a bannable offense? I think that's pertinent enough for you to answer directly.

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« Reply #138 on: October 14, 2013, 11:00:35 pm »
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Hand them over, I suspect this has a way to run yet.

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« Reply #139 on: October 14, 2013, 11:13:14 pm »
*CannabisSeedsPopcorn*

Hand them over, I suspect this has a way to run yet.

Everyone will ask for MJ with seeds once the market is running again. :D

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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #140 on: October 14, 2013, 11:19:49 pm »
for the record i've seen a thread that was obsessively racist
literally had the N word in every sentence
which should've have been deleted instantly and is still alive today
can someone explain to me why that post wasnt deleted
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« Reply #141 on: October 14, 2013, 11:26:09 pm »
for the record i've seen a thread that was obsessively racist
literally had the N word in every sentence
which should've have been deleted instantly and is still alive today
can someone explain to me why that post wasnt deleted

We need some standard of morality. This racist thread hurts the feelings of a group of human beings. Delete it, this is no censorship, this is against discrimination and for freedom.
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« Reply #142 on: October 14, 2013, 11:30:43 pm »
There's a difference between free speech and incessant trolling.

The line is fine, but there's a difference.

While I do not agree with the language used in the thread you referenced, the user who created it is entitled to that belief. Of course, other users are entitled to vocalize the belief that he or she is a lonely fool (though I wouldn't recommend this course of action, simply because it serves as encouragement).

What we have here however, is a case of the very same person creating several new accounts in an attempt to disrupt the community and promote unhealthy fear. Which, again, is a person's right to free speech - but by doing the very same from multiple handles and on multiple threads, it's in the best interest of the community as a whole to have this kind of input moderated.

I do not agree in the slightest with heavy-handed moderation, and this belief often leads me to view content I do not wish to view.

But malicious trolling the intent of which is to bring a community into fear and disrepair is an issue that possibly needs a little attention.

This is not me saying I would have necessarily taken Sarge's course of action with the threads in question, but I'm also not condemning such choice. It's a grey area.

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« Reply #143 on: October 15, 2013, 12:08:20 am »
Doh!!


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« Reply #144 on: October 15, 2013, 01:12:36 am »
Coachella's getting pretty good at photoshop guys.

Lol what photo shop. Bring up encrypted message from libertas, type whatever the fuck you want in the notepad and claim its the decrypted results of that message. But in reality its just shit.

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« Reply #145 on: October 15, 2013, 01:16:11 am »
Oh my god this thread is the epitome of everything wrong with this place.

"Oh so these forums are run by LEA?" "Oh so there was a bunch of people using DPR's account and ross was set up?" "Oh, libertas is the real DPR?"

SHUT THE FUCK UP. You're all idiots. Are you kidding me with that proof.jpg? Fuck I can take a screen shot of some random text in a notepad next to an encrypted message and claim its the results of that message. Wanna know how you could prove this real quick? POST YOUR PRIVATE KEY. If you're this dedicated to saving ross and exposing libertas, all you need to do is ruin your PGP account and let us verify that the encrypted text is equivalent to the cleartext in the note pad. Do it pussy.
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« Reply #146 on: October 15, 2013, 01:19:33 am »
There's a difference between free speech and incessant trolling.

The line is fine, but there's a difference.

While I do not agree with the language used in the thread you referenced, the user who created it is entitled to that belief. Of course, other users are entitled to vocalize the belief that he or she is a lonely fool (though I wouldn't recommend this course of action, simply because it serves as encouragement).

What we have here however, is a case of the very same person creating several new accounts in an attempt to disrupt the community and promote unhealthy fear. Which, again, is a person's right to free speech - but by doing the very same from multiple handles and on multiple threads, it's in the best interest of the community as a whole to have this kind of input moderated.

I do not agree in the slightest with heavy-handed moderation, and this belief often leads me to view content I do not wish to view.

But malicious trolling the intent of which is to bring a community into fear and disrepair is an issue that possibly needs a little attention.

This is not me saying I would have necessarily taken Sarge's course of action with the threads in question, but I'm also not condemning such choice. It's a grey area.

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While I'm a lurker here (please don't accuse me of being Coachella. My DOC is molly and a little weed!) I just went through this entire, absurd 11 pages.
I don't know if this is taboo or not.. but I seriously think the moderators and administrators were being heavy handed and just giving this person more credence by consistently banning him. He (clearly from a shill account) put the spotlight on Sarge (mod) and asked why a post containing links to someones post history on the old forums were banned.. and he/she was either deleted off or they deleted themselves (unlikely). Not cool guys.

My 2 satoshis on the situation : the person clearly isn't "trolling" in the pure sense of the word. I think they really believe they have some evidence that will either take some legal ramifications off of Ross Ulbricht, or at least they're trying to bully someone (the moderator Liberty) into admitting something.. who knows what that something is. But V is right. There is a clear violation of free speech going on here and given the incendiary nature of this entire thread (accusations of more then one DPR running the account, screen shots of purported admins near-bragging about Ross taking the fall for everyone, threats..) followed by unexplained deletions, bans, and quite simply.. DODGING the issues on the part of the moderation team here.. something just doesn't feel right.

It's possible this guy is a troll and is inventing things out of his/her creative mind and photoshopping documents and trying to rile everyone up in a frenzy. But, what if he's not? Is the solution to ban/silence?

PLEASE DONT BAN FOR THIS!!!  :-X *SCARED of being banned because of the gestapo like behavior on this topic*

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« Reply #147 on: October 15, 2013, 01:21:20 am »
Oh my god this thread is the epitome of everything wrong with this place.

"Oh so these forums are run by LEA?" "Oh so there was a bunch of people using DPR's account and ross was set up?" "Oh, libertas is the real DPR?"

SHUT THE FUCK UP. You're all idiots. Are you kidding me with that proof.jpg? Fuck I can take a screen shot of some random text in a notepad next to an encrypted message and claim its the results of that message. Wanna know how you could prove this real quick? POST YOUR PRIVATE KEY. If you're this dedicated to saving ross and exposing libertas, all you need to do is ruin your PGP account and let us verify that the encrypted text is equivalent to the cleartext in the note pad. Do it pussy.

Good point!! If this person really had balls, they'd post their private key. But what would happen if their private key revealed that that "encrypted message from Libertas" wasn't doctored or tampered with in Texedit? Then what? They'd just get deleted off and everyone would accuse them of being Coachella?

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« Reply #148 on: October 15, 2013, 03:30:18 am »
Oh my god this thread is the epitome of everything wrong with this place.

"Oh so these forums are run by LEA?" "Oh so there was a bunch of people using DPR's account and ross was set up?" "Oh, libertas is the real DPR?"

SHUT THE FUCK UP. You're all idiots. Are you kidding me with that proof.jpg? Fuck I can take a screen shot of some random text in a notepad next to an encrypted message and claim its the results of that message. Wanna know how you could prove this real quick? POST YOUR PRIVATE KEY. If you're this dedicated to saving ross and exposing libertas, all you need to do is ruin your PGP account and let us verify that the encrypted text is equivalent to the cleartext in the note pad. Do it pussy.

God you are such a self aggrandizing, colossal, miserable bitch. 
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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #149 on: October 15, 2013, 06:36:54 am »
stop snitching

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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #150 on: October 15, 2013, 09:32:33 am »
wonderwoman, now you use a woman nickname in a pathetic intent to continue trolling?

Prove that you are not a troll by releasing your private key.

Yet I'm not still convinced that deleting troll messages is NOT the way to go. Cancelling their accounts and let their messages to expose themselves is the way, like Sarge has been doing for the last entrances of this idiot.
But think about it: if you delete the messages, many are going to suspect that something is wrong with the admins. I believed this troll in the first instance because of those deletions. Many others in the forum are still confused about this matter.
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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #151 on: October 15, 2013, 10:27:19 am »
"That escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast. Brick killed a guy!" - really guys, this is all getting a little crazy. 'GrahamGreene' attempted to blackmail me with false information and that, of course, received a resounding 'no'. I decided that instead of engaging him I'd just ignore him, mainly because I don't have the time nor the inclination to toy with coachella420. If I had heaps of time on my hands I'd enjoy the back and forth exchanges where he proves himself to be severely lacking intelligence and common sense, time and again. Unfortunately I don't have that time, so my entertainment will have to wait until he reappears.

If I had anything to worry about, and if anybody actually had anything on me, I wouldn't be here right now. There are no 'breadcrumbs' for him to follow so I'm not engaging him further.

Also, this sums up the "PGP image" doing the rounds:

Coachella's getting pretty good at photoshop guys.

Lol what photo shop. Bring up encrypted message from libertas, type whatever the fuck you want in the notepad and claim its the decrypted results of that message. But in reality its just shit.

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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #152 on: October 15, 2013, 12:36:26 pm »
[...] If I had anything to worry about, and if anybody actually had anything on me, I wouldn't be here right now. [...]

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just sayin'

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« Reply #153 on: October 15, 2013, 02:59:41 pm »
Oh my god this thread is the epitome of everything wrong with this place.

"Oh so these forums are run by LEA?" "Oh so there was a bunch of people using DPR's account and ross was set up?" "Oh, libertas is the real DPR?"

SHUT THE FUCK UP. You're all idiots. Are you kidding me with that proof.jpg? Fuck I can take a screen shot of some random text in a notepad next to an encrypted message and claim its the results of that message. Wanna know how you could prove this real quick? POST YOUR PRIVATE KEY. If you're this dedicated to saving ross and exposing libertas, all you need to do is ruin your PGP account and let us verify that the encrypted text is equivalent to the cleartext in the note pad. Do it pussy.

Good point!! If this person really had balls, they'd post their private key. But what would happen if their private key revealed that that "encrypted message from Libertas" wasn't doctored or tampered with in Texedit? Then what? They'd just get deleted off and everyone would accuse them of being Coachella?

If the encrypted message decrypted into that same plaintext, it'd probably rock the whole SR community and these forums. But if you ask me, that plaintext is *way* too long to have been derived from that small chunk of PGP encoded text.

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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #154 on: October 15, 2013, 03:01:38 pm »
Oh my god this thread is the epitome of everything wrong with this place.

"Oh so these forums are run by LEA?" "Oh so there was a bunch of people using DPR's account and ross was set up?" "Oh, libertas is the real DPR?"

SHUT THE FUCK UP. You're all idiots. Are you kidding me with that proof.jpg? Fuck I can take a screen shot of some random text in a notepad next to an encrypted message and claim its the results of that message. Wanna know how you could prove this real quick? POST YOUR PRIVATE KEY. If you're this dedicated to saving ross and exposing libertas, all you need to do is ruin your PGP account and let us verify that the encrypted text is equivalent to the cleartext in the note pad. Do it pussy.

God you are such a self aggrandizing, colossal, miserable bitch.

Lol because I'm sick of this stupid fucking troll and his bullshit proof.jpg trick? I dont givea fuck what you think. Im tired of the quality of this place. You cant refute anything ive said, so you just resort to childish name calling. Grow up. This idiot either needs to show legitimate proof or shut the fuck up and stop trying to RUIN this community. Thats what hes trying to do. Hes trying to turn the community against the mods here. And fuck him for it. And fuck you too if you agree with him.
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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #155 on: October 15, 2013, 03:05:10 pm »
[...] If I had anything to worry about, and if anybody actually had anything on me, I wouldn't be here right now. [...]

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just sayin'

Not really. Theres a difference between being confident you're safe from law enforcement, and being confident you're safe from lying trolls. Im sure libertas is aware that LEA *could* have some incriminating info on him. Although i dont see him doing anything illegal so im not sure why they would. But some random idiot is another thing. Libertas knows what hes put out there for people to see. If he hasnt put out any personal info, this dude doesnt have any person info.

Being confident in the face of tolls is different than being cocky in the face of LEA.

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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #156 on: October 15, 2013, 04:36:15 pm »
[...] If I had anything to worry about, and if anybody actually had anything on me, I wouldn't be here right now. [...]

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just sayin'

I have always warned against getting comfortable, and by extension, getting confident. When you get comfortable you get confident, when you get confident you get cocky and when you get cocky you get caught. Nobody posting here should be posting anything linking back to them. The Silk Road forums were associated with a free-market website, the largest category of which was drugs that are illegal in most jurisdictions - common sense dictates that posting anything that could be in any way revealing would be reckless in the extreme. Misdirection and disinformation is key - don't make law enforcement's job easier than it already is.

If I had released any information that could possibly link back to me I wouldn't be here right now, that's what I'm getting at. Confidence is a good attribute to have in certain situations. Posting on a forum associated with a marketplace that law enforcement have a great hatred for is not one of those situations.

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« Reply #157 on: October 15, 2013, 06:17:01 pm »
well said libertas.  ;)

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« Reply #158 on: October 15, 2013, 06:41:09 pm »
Libertas is too well spoken and seems to have very little issue with grammar, to have constructed that fake piece of shit that was typed in notepad. It was full of spelling and grammar mistakes, and the letter was too long to have been derived from the PGP code that was claimed to have been "decrypted" by Coachella.

Also, since Libertas already came out prior to that message in saying that GrahamGreene was HH/Coachella/etc , I highly doubt he would have sent something of that nature to someone with an agenda like his.
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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #159 on: October 15, 2013, 10:14:34 pm »
Well what issues are we talking about? If its JTB telling new DPR to fuck off, I think DPR is well within his rights to say get fucked right back and ban him. If the issue is these conspiracy theories being deleted, well that depends on the merit of the claims doesnt it? Surely if they were nonsense they should be deleted. We'll i just had a little conversation with this guy claiming to have evidence. And he was very interested in sort of telling me a whole bunch of things, just a little bit. By which I mean he batted around the bush and avoided presenting real evidence until he just stopped responding. From my little encounter with him, DPR did a good job deleting these nonsense ramblings.
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A form of government characterised by extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-communism and restrictions on individual freedom? Really?

I can think of very good reasons why evidence that could potentially help Mr Ulbricht's case should not be discussed where LE can read it. I find it less easy to reason, however, why I and others should have received the above-mentioned PMs. Why not just send them to his lawyer?
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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #160 on: October 15, 2013, 10:42:05 pm »

I can think of very good reasons why evidence that could potentially help Mr Ulbricht's case should not be discussed where LE can read it. I find it less easy to reason, however, why I and others should have received the above-mentioned PMs. Why not just send them to his lawyer?

I can only imagine the trash the lawyer is going to have to sift through, from 'anonymous' informants such as HH/Coachella/GG. Afterall, GG said he has forwarded this information to the lawyer and Ross' family.
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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #161 on: October 15, 2013, 11:03:41 pm »
Indeed. Being a public defender on a case of this size must be hell for the man :(
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Re: vanishing threads of 'evidence"? that might clear Ross as the sole DPR
« Reply #162 on: October 16, 2013, 06:34:43 pm »
The DPR account on the old forum admitted that at least one other person, possibly more, had admin access to the site. He said that about 1 month before the site got shut down, go back and check the posts.

I'm sure LEO know this. Whether they are interested in going after the others involved now they have a man in custody remains to be seen....
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« Reply #163 on: October 17, 2013, 07:05:48 am »
so how about a word from Libertas?
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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #164 on: October 17, 2013, 08:46:47 am »
I can only imagine the trash the lawyer is going to have to sift through, from 'anonymous' informants such as HH/Coachella/GG. Afterall, GG said he has forwarded this information to the lawyer and Ross' family.

I can only imagine how the media would portray this, given their fairly dire representation of the situation already:

'The court today used evidence presented by an anonymous alias known only as 'Coachella' - a deeply respected and high-ranking member of the assassination website Silk Road'

*Sigh*

When did the media get so sloppy?
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« Reply #165 on: October 17, 2013, 07:07:57 pm »
so how about a word from Libertas?

go back a page..
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« Reply #166 on: October 18, 2013, 11:41:23 pm »
*Sigh*
When did the media get so sloppy?

Well over ninety years ago, I think.
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Re: what the hell is going on with these vanishing threads of 'evidence"?
« Reply #167 on: October 20, 2013, 12:20:29 am »
In recent days we've come under a spam attack from one or two individuals who claim to have information regarding the case, however at every inspection these claims turn out to be false. I believe claiming to have such information but nothing to back it up would not be in the best interests of Ross Ulbricht and I feel is just another troll incidence or they would come to me directly. If somebody did have information regarding the case, it would be better brought up to myself since posting it publicly may have unintended consequences since there is much information not out in the public domain to protect individuals.

Can we resign ourselves, for the timebeing that Ross Ulbrecht is innocent. He is still in the United States and people still have rights. One of those rights is that we are considered innocent until proven guilty.

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