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Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« on: October 12, 2013, 02:04:11 am »
Ahoy,

I would like to announce Project: Black Flag, (http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion) the original SR replacement forums.  Currently closed beta is underway on a new SR that's being developed independently of the one on this forum.

Open beta will launch this coming Monday.

I don't want to compete with these forums, so if all else use P:BF as a fail safe.  I will also help in any way I can with this forum and its SR.

Lets sail these seas together,

MDPR

(Note: My previous topic of the same name was locked and the URL removed.  I have been assured by Libertas that this will not happen again.)

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2013, 02:13:58 am »
Ahoy,

I would like to announce Project: Black Flag, (http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion) the original SR replacement forums.  Currently closed beta is underway on a new SR that's being developed independently of the one on this forum.

Open beta will launch this coming Monday.

I don't want to compete with these forums, so if all else use P:BF as a fail safe.  I will also help in any way I can with this forum and its SR.

Lets sail these seas together,

MDPR

(Note: My previous topic of the same name was locked and the URL removed.  I have been assured by Libertas that this will not happen again.)

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Ah, it seems there has been a slight misunderstanding here. I have full control over what happens on the old forum (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion) but Dread Pirate Roberts is the captain of the ship on the new forum here (http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion) - if he or the other moderators feel that your link should be removed here, that's their call.

You are more than welcome to post your link on the old forum; in the spirit of decentralization and community backup there will be no interference with it there, as I stated on your own site.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2013, 02:18:37 am »
Ah, I see.  Thanks just the same.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2013, 06:21:03 am »
Ya know what, i think a little competition is healthy.  We need something that is up to the SR standard because BMR and SM just are awful, its almost painful navigating them IMO.  Anyways, i am curious of this Black Flag SR.  I will be interested to see it.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2013, 06:24:51 am »
@mettadpr could you maybe elaborate on your site and give us an idea of what your about, why we should trust you, how the site will work?

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2013, 06:57:30 am »
@mettadpr could you maybe elaborate on your site and give us an idea of what your about, why we should trust you, how the site will work?

Wait till Monday and come find out and you Might just have landed back in 2011 when Silkroad Just Launched

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2013, 12:42:19 pm »
is this guy for real?

1 week to launch a new marketplace

I dont believe it one sec


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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2013, 03:48:47 pm »
Project black flag , doesn't feel right to me , I've never fully agreed with libertas  but feel preset safe in this forum is his/her presence :-)
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2013, 05:08:51 pm »
I have to say that I really love seeing the friendly cooperation between competitors.  We are ALL in this together and there is plenty of business to go around. 

Thanks Libertas for being a good solid businessman. 
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2013, 11:07:22 pm »
Competitors are not going to be lambasted for simply providing a similar marketplace. It's when they bust the big-ball PR effort, begin to pose a security risk, or start being disrespectful that entire communities descend on them like an avalanche.

I've said it many times. Our goal should not be to take a monopoly. It should be to build a community the way we want it - if others are happy with it, they'll join.

Marketplaces in this deep arena that are built for "what the public wants" will not succeed because they're artificial.

If Project Black Flag is a secure marketplace built on strong community values, I'm sure they'll succeed and wish them the best of luck.

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2013, 11:17:01 pm »
We are like the Hydra, cut one head off and two more grow back.  With two new markets and two new forums, its going to almost impossible for us to be shut down.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2013, 11:17:51 pm »
Ahoy,

I would like to announce Project: Black Flag, (http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion) the original SR replacement forums.  Currently closed beta is underway on a new SR that's being developed independently of the one on this forum.

Open beta will launch this coming Monday.

I don't want to compete with these forums, so if all else use P:BF as a fail safe.  I will also help in any way I can with this forum and its SR.

Lets sail these seas together,

MDPR

(Note: My previous topic of the same name was locked and the URL removed.  I have been assured by Libertas that this will not happen again.)

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You are more than welcome to post your link on the old forum; in the spirit of decentralization and community backup there will be no interference with it there, as I stated on your own site.

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2013, 12:20:33 am »
If you're not affiliated with SR, how are the mods and DPR allowing you to use "new silk road"? 
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2013, 12:24:18 am »
We are like the Hydra, cut one head off and two more grow back.  With two new markets and two new forums, its going to almost impossible for us to be shut down.
Confident, I like it :)

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2013, 01:05:26 am »
If you're not affiliated with SR, how are the mods and DPR allowing you to use "new silk road"?
We both agree in the importance of decentralization and more than one market place.

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2013, 02:07:28 am »
Myself and MettaDPR have already spoken. We have similar aims and agree being in competition is healthy, but we are not the same project. In the event one of our markets failed, we have made a gentleman's agreement we will accommodate for each others community to keep the idea alive. However neither is an endorsement of the other.
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2013, 02:14:25 am »
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2013, 02:15:57 am »
So i am a little confused. Project Black Flag is a new Silk Road Marketplace? Is there not another Silk Road coming online to?

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2013, 02:17:06 am »
After reading the Project: Black Flag forum and seeing this thread i feel much better about Project: Black Flag... I will most likely be doing business on both sites...  However, I will trust neither...

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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2013, 02:21:12 am »
We are like the Hydra, cut one head off and two more grow back.  With two new markets and two new forums, its going to almost impossible for us to be shut down.

I would not go as far as saying it will be impossible to shut us down but it will certainly have thr Hydra effect regardless. OG Silk Road goes down and 'boom'...2 more are springing up.

I will reside in the shadows until Black Flag is up and running and has a substantial amount of positive feedback and is proven safe and secure.
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2013, 02:21:36 am »
Myself and MettaDPR have already spoken. We have similar aims and agree being in competition is healthy, but we are not the same project. In the event one of our markets failed, we have made a gentleman's agreement we will accommodate for each others community to keep the idea alive. However neither is an endorsement of the other.


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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2013, 02:34:19 am »
Hey Guys!

I've got a new forum. Check it out:

https://tips.fbi.gov/
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2013, 02:46:53 am »
Myself and MettaDPR have already spoken. We have similar aims and agree being in competition is healthy, but we are not the same project. In the event one of our markets failed, we have made a gentleman's agreement we will accommodate for each others community to keep the idea alive. However neither is an endorsement of the other.

And as the dust settles a new phoenix may rise? Interesting that there is such an agreement, but I must say - if true, then I am extremely interested in what has arisen from what was the previous Silk Road. Hopefully the ideal behind the market will continue to spread and grow.

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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2013, 02:55:31 am »
Hey Guys!

I've got a new forum. Check it out:

https://tips.fbi.gov/

Are referrals needed?

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2013, 06:50:28 am »
I'm confused… is project black flag just another community or a full on marketplace?

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2013, 07:14:45 am »
Idk but more than anything we need a secure site up and running that is user friendly like OG SR was.  BMR and SM are fucking torture.  Im in a shitty position i need things to move again but i just dont feel either of these marketplaces enough to put btcs in for any reason.  Idk i just cant stand the system its so not user friendly.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2013, 07:26:21 am »
DPR, you should not have anything to do with BlackFlag. Stexo made very serious security claims about "mettadpr" and his new Silk Road. Everyone should completely avoid Black Flag and mettadpr. I'm actually pretty concerned with the new DPR since he's endorsing mettadpr despite stexo's warnings.

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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2013, 02:59:32 pm »
However neither is an endorsement of the other.
That's my point.  If you're not endorsing his project, then he should not be referring to it as the "new silk road" as he does in the subject of this thread.  It leads to a lot of confusion.
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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2013, 03:20:07 pm »
Meh I think I'll stay here as we have 1530 members vs 340... However that open Beta sounds interesting so I'll keep an eye out for that.
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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2013, 03:32:09 pm »
DPR, you should not have anything to do with BlackFlag. Stexo made very serious security claims about "mettadpr" and his new Silk Road. Everyone should completely avoid Black Flag and mettadpr. I'm actually pretty concerned with the new DPR since he's endorsing mettadpr despite stexo's warnings.

Can you provide links to StExo's warnings?

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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2013, 04:34:58 pm »
So well, we have now a mess with:
1.- BMR
2.-SM
3.- SRa
4.- SRb

And people are going and coming and surfing the four sites -at least, this is what I do- .

 Some people hate BMR, some others don´t and already are there. Same with SM, and now we have two new projects  on the way to revive the died SR. All that in less than two weeks. I think this is too much either for buyers and vendors.
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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2013, 06:52:54 pm »
DPR is not calling Project Black Flag the new Silk Road in the post title. The slash in the middle is saying Project Black Flag is on this side < and the New Silk Road (AKA marketplace that comes of the operators of this new forum) On the other side > Shit, I feel like people dont fucking read shit anymore and when they do, It all just leaks out the back of their head??

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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2013, 07:05:34 pm »
Hey

Iv'e been speaking with Meta DPR and he is saying if all goes well  Blag Flag will launch tomorrow. Can't Waite to see the marketplace.

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« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2013, 07:26:14 pm »
DPR is not calling Project Black Flag the new Silk Road in the post title. The slash in the middle is saying Project Black Flag is on this side < and the New Silk Road (AKA marketplace that comes of the operators of this new forum) On the other side > Shit, I feel like people dont fucking read shit anymore and when they do, It all just leaks out the back of their head??
Lol dude you're getting way to offended... The title could easily be mistook as Project: Black Flag being the "New Silk Road" that's what a slash means lol...

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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2013, 09:56:46 pm »
DPR, you should not have anything to do with BlackFlag. Stexo made very serious security claims about "mettadpr" and his new Silk Road. Everyone should completely avoid Black Flag and mettadpr. I'm actually pretty concerned with the new DPR since he's endorsing mettadpr despite stexo's warnings.

How is this not clear?

However neither is an endorsement of the other.

Because he completely contradicts himself:

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In the event one of our markets failed, we have made a gentleman's agreement we will accommodate for each others community to keep the idea alive.

If this site goes down or whatever, he should not be sending people to the Black Flag project because there are very serious concerns about it.

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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2013, 10:03:37 pm »
I could be wrong, but I believe the serious security concerns were linked to a different (now failed) project.
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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2013, 10:17:32 pm »
I could be wrong, but I believe the serious security concerns were linked to a different (now failed) project.

Yes I agree with your statement.  I don't think anybody has stated anything about security concerns.  If you check out their forums, it's pretty clear this guy knows what he's talking about.  I love this project (this new SR forum's pending project) and I really am excited to see this Black Flag project popping up.  I brushed it off at first but after checking out their forums and the messages from MDPR, it sounds really promising.  Plus, the idea that it's separate from this after the bust, gives me security even though I can't seem to say goodbye! 

Anyhow, make sure you guys at least check out the forums out of curiosity if for nothing else.
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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2013, 10:32:28 pm »
Stexo only committed that I had announced the project before it was complete.  Security is a huge concern, and I have penetration testers continually testing the site.  I have asked that a public security report be posted, which will hopefully come before the open beta.  This project is not related in any way to the "SR 2.0" that was being created using WordPress, which had numerous security concerns, which Stexo commented on.

The site I am working on consists totally of code that I have written from scratch.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2013, 10:42:59 pm »
If both have security top notch I guess is coming down to the one more nicer and richer in graphics and features. Right now I'm kinda bias to this so I hope here is where all star vendor and buyers are coming.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2013, 11:45:38 pm »
Just thought i'd remind us all of the very last forum post that dpr posted before the shutdown made me think when i read it again, peace

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Silk Road discussion / Re: SR Vendors give back to chairty next week
« on: October 01, 2013, 05:23 am »
It warms my heart to see everyone's generosity.  There are a couple of points I'd like to mention about giving to charity.  For one, I think it is an important pillar of civil society.  Our capacity for empathy and wanting others to succeed should not be ignored or downplayed.  A lack of charitable spirit is often used as a point in favor of a central authority with the power to take from the rich and give to the poor.  It is said that, absent government intervention, no one would have the incentive to help those who are in need and have little to give in return.  You are proving them wrong right now.

Second, you must be responsible for the effect of money on your fellow man.  Money encourages and motivates people to do whatever they have to in order to get that money.  For an employee, that's doing a good job and pleasing their boss, or maybe blending in and not risking a visible mistake, or maybe lying on their resume.  For a businessman, that can mean serving their customers, or bribe the authorities to enact laws that hurt their competition, among many other things.  A dictator/politician will murder thousands, even millions, to keep their, or their party's control of tax revenue.  Con artists and thieves have their way of getting money.  For beggars, often being helpless and/or destitute gets a good return.  In other words, money shapes people's behavior, which in turn shapes who they are, and it is not the case that giving someone money always has the effect you hope it does.

So, don't ignore your desire to help people, but strive always to give in such a way that people are empowered to rise up out of their conditions and transform their lives.  Just be careful you aren't creating an incentive for people to become needy and destitute in order to win your charity.



also nice to be reminded that the feds took down the site just before charity week hmm?
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2013, 12:15:48 am »
also nice to be reminded that the feds took down the site just before charity week hmm?

I thought of that a lot but dropped it for being conspirancy. Just imagine those articles if mainstream media picked that charity week up...but it is very likely just coinsidence.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2013, 12:47:10 am »
Open beta has started.  I won't hotlink the site, but details can be found on the Project: Black Flag forum.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2013, 01:02:09 am »
Well why arent you helping with this site yet you advertise here?
Seems like a better use of your coding powers.

Once this sites up I think it will be rolling, stifling any new use any of these runt sites have enjoyed in SRs downtime .
I have personally offered to help with this site, but I will also independently work on my own.  I was working on my site before these forums were created.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2013, 01:03:09 am »
Well, I am on that new Silkroad right now and its not bad. The design is a little bit "flat" and edgy (ok ok, its the beta, i know), but I am really excited to see that something is moving. Damn, one market closes, and others pop up in short time.

Lets see what the future brings for both projects and for bmr and sheep.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2013, 01:08:22 am »
Well, I am on that new Silkroad right now and its not bad. The design is a little bit "flat" and edgy (ok ok, its the beta, i know), but I am really excited to see that something is moving. Damn, one market closes, and others pop up in short time.

Lets see what the future brings for both projects and for bmr and sheep.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2013, 02:41:15 am »
Stexo only committed that I had announced the project before it was complete.  Security is a huge concern, and I have penetration testers continually testing the site.  I have asked that a public security report be posted, which will hopefully come before the open beta.  This project is not related in any way to the "SR 2.0" that was being created using WordPress, which had numerous security concerns, which Stexo commented on.

The site I am working on consists totally of code that I have written from scratch.

Okay, that's good to know then. You should stop calling your site the new Silk Road to get away from the SR2.0 mess.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2013, 02:51:54 am »
Stexo only committed that I had announced the project before it was complete.  Security is a huge concern, and I have penetration testers continually testing the site.  I have asked that a public security report be posted, which will hopefully come before the open beta.  This project is not related in any way to the "SR 2.0" that was being created using WordPress, which had numerous security concerns, which Stexo commented on.

The site I am working on consists totally of code that I have written from scratch.

Okay, that's good to know then. You should stop calling your site the new Silk Road to get away from the SR2.0 mess.
I think the term silk road should be used to describe the type of website. Project Black Flag is a silk road, but not THE Silk Road.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2013, 02:52:51 am »
I'll probably stick with SR. All the same good luck with your site.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2013, 04:24:40 pm »
Stexo only committed that I had announced the project before it was complete.  Security is a huge concern, and I have penetration testers continually testing the site.  I have asked that a public security report be posted, which will hopefully come before the open beta.  This project is not related in any way to the "SR 2.0" that was being created using WordPress, which had numerous security concerns, which Stexo commented on.

The site I am working on consists totally of code that I have written from scratch.

Okay, that's good to know then. You should stop calling your site the new Silk Road to get away from the SR2.0 mess.
I think the term silk road should be used to describe the type of website. Project Black Flag is a silk road, but not THE Silk Road.

I like it.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2013, 04:29:48 pm »
Stexo only committed that I had announced the project before it was complete.  Security is a huge concern, and I have penetration testers continually testing the site.  I have asked that a public security report be posted, which will hopefully come before the open beta.  This project is not related in any way to the "SR 2.0" that was being created using WordPress, which had numerous security concerns, which Stexo commented on.

The site I am working on consists totally of code that I have written from scratch.

Okay, that's good to know then. You should stop calling your site the new Silk Road to get away from the SR2.0 mess.
I think the term silk road should be used to describe the type of website. Project Black Flag is a silk road, but not THE Silk Road.

Ok. But arent we all acknowledging that we'd prefer a marketplace run by some of the original team? When that marketplace comes to fruition, what do they call it? Seems like they should have a claim on SR 2.0 if that happens. I'll simply be referring to this project as PBF for the time being until its all sorted out.

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« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2013, 04:37:20 pm »
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2013, 10:50:04 pm »

Project: Black Flag is the forum, Silk Road is the site.  I did not want to create another "Silk Road Forums," but my members wanted to keep the SR name for the site.

Have a little respect and try to be original. PBF is not Silk Road. Silk Road was Silk Road. Stealing the name and slapping it on a webpage makes me want to never visit your site.

You're still in beta, so you have a chance to be a man and come up with your own name, nobody likes a thief.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2013, 11:43:23 pm »

Project: Black Flag is the forum, Silk Road is the site.  I did not want to create another "Silk Road Forums," but my members wanted to keep the SR name for the site.

Have a little respect and try to be original. PBF is not Silk Road. Silk Road was Silk Road. Stealing the name and slapping it on a webpage makes me want to never visit your site.

You're still in beta, so you have a chance to be a man and come up with your own name, nobody likes a thief.
I will hold a poll on my forum and let the community decide.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2013, 12:11:51 am »
Fuck This Hoe would like to thank the team behind the Black Flag Project.

Soon there will be 4 opened markets and that shows that we have passion for the mission of SR.  Another market shows that the idea has passed on and will grow exponentially. The more options available to the people means more decentralization which in turn gives us more economical freedom since the people won't heavily rely on just 1 market. May the citizens of the world look, take note, and learn how human behavior goes on peacefully when no "Goverment full of devolving apes" (Hint hint: US of A) interferes with the daily lives of the people.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2013, 12:22:36 am »

Project: Black Flag is the forum, Silk Road is the site.  I did not want to create another "Silk Road Forums," but my members wanted to keep the SR name for the site.

Have a little respect and try to be original. PBF is not Silk Road. Silk Road was Silk Road. Stealing the name and slapping it on a webpage makes me want to never visit your site.

You're still in beta, so you have a chance to be a man and come up with your own name, nobody likes a thief.
I will hold a poll on my forum and let the community decide.

Youre leaving the decision of stealing someone else's legacy up to a vote rather than letting your own moral compass guide you in an appropriate direction?

Even the moderators of the (only) Silkroad are choosing a new name. It seems highly inappropriate for someone that wasn't involved in the (only) Silkroad to steal the brand when the community involved in the first place is rebranding.

Silkroad is not yours to take over. Be original and make your own brand and make it successful. You aren't DPR and your community isn't Silkroad
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #55 on: October 15, 2013, 12:26:26 am »
No offense to anyone, but i've looked around the beta for a little bit, and im really not that impressed at all. i know it's a beta, but it looks bad. not because of bad backgrounds or anything, but because its badly coded and badly structured... i dont see how much of this could even be improved without completely re-making everything from scratch.

there are just obvious flaws that make me feel uneasy, like the really bad captchas, no central wallet system or escrow afaik, the cheap menu which doesnt even change or show subcategories like the old silk road did, the terrible account page where you cant delete your account or even change your password, the complete lack of sorting options, the fact that you cant even scroll in text boxes, only resize them, (wtf?) etc, etc, honestly if there's so many basic web design flaws, how should we believe you can develop a whole escrow system, with hedging, anonymous feedback, a REAL reporting system, and all that fancy stuff? again, no offence, but i have seen kids make more impressive websites.

Either you released your beta too early, or my hunch is right and this site is poorly designed and full of vulnerabilities, either way, idk if im going to be able to trust it. i'll stick with the REAL silk road thank you.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2013, 12:34:29 am »
No offense to anyone, but i've looked around the beta for a little bit, and im really not that impressed at all. i know it's a beta, but it looks bad. not because of bad backgrounds or anything, but because its badly coded and badly structured... i dont see how much of this could even be improved without completely re-making everything from scratch.

there are just obvious flaws that make me feel uneasy, like the really bad captchas, no central wallet system or escrow afaik, the cheap menu which doesnt even change or show subcategories like the old silk road did, the terrible account page where you cant delete your account or even change your password, the complete lack of sorting options, the fact that you cant even scroll in text boxes, only resize them, (wtf?) etc, etc, honestly if there's so many basic web design flaws, how should we believe you can develop a whole escrow system, with hedging, anonymous feedback, a REAL reporting system, and all that fancy stuff? again, no offence, but i have seen kids make more impressive websites.

Either you released your beta too early, or my hunch is right and this site is poorly designed and full of vulnerabilities, either way, idk if im going to be able to trust it. i'll stick with the REAL silk road thank you.
There is an escrow system and the central wallet is omitted for security reasons.  Account options will be fixed shortly.  The text boxes work fine for me,w hat browser are you using?  Sorting options are also in the works.  All the "fancy stuff" you listed is just that, features that are in the works but not crucial to the sites function.  Rome was not built in a day.  If you look back to when the previous SR first launched, I am sure you would change your opinion.

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« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2013, 12:37:27 am »
Is Sheep place the new SR?
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2013, 12:40:35 am »
 
Rome was not built in a day.  If you look back to when the previous SR first launched, I am sure you would change your opinion.

There is no "previous" sr. There is SR and then some kid with no imagination slapping the SR logo that he/she stole onto a new website and attempting to ride the coat-tails of the ONLY SR.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2013, 02:05:03 am »
 
Rome was not built in a day.  If you look back to when the previous SR first launched, I am sure you would change your opinion.

There is no "previous" sr. There is SR and then some kid with no imagination slapping the SR logo that he/she stole onto a new website and attempting to ride the coat-tails of the ONLY SR.


Give the guy a break. He's been working tirelessly day and night to get this site running. Yes, I agree it should not be called SR. I am sure it will be changed to "Black Flag" in due time. Think of it as just a placeholder, rather than thinking of it as a display of mDPR's hubris. He'll change it. He'll remove the camel and replace it with a pirate's flag. People have been discussing it over on the Black Flag forums. He probably launched the beta too early but we should try to provide some encouragement and point out some kinks that he can then sort out. Security, of course, along with financial integrity are the most important elements of the site. Those need to be dealt with first, along with basic functionality. Then we can focus on the bells and whistles and change the logo and name.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2013, 02:45:03 am »
I agree with your points about focusing on security first and foremost, I just find the branding disrespectful. I hope the marketplace is successful though.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2013, 03:38:44 am »
I agree with your points about focusing on security first and foremost, I just find the branding disrespectful. I hope the marketplace is successful though.
I find the branding respectful. I hope one of these 'new Silk Roads' will keep the name alive. :)

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« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2013, 04:24:23 am »
i tried applying, but havent gotten any response so... i guess ill just stick to selling my mdma on SM, BMR, and DB

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2013, 05:19:29 am »
DPR is not calling Project Black Flag the new Silk Road in the post title. The slash in the middle is saying Project Black Flag is on this side < and the New Silk Road (AKA marketplace that comes of the operators of this new forum) On the other side > Shit, I feel like people dont fucking read shit anymore and when they do, It all just leaks out the back of their head??

He is doing just that. Calling "Black Flag" "Silk Road". Not only in this threads title.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2013, 07:57:46 pm »
The market's name will be changed Project: Blag Flag.  A logo is being created by one of my forum members.  Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

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« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2013, 08:08:31 pm »
The market's name will be changed Project: Blag Flag.  A logo is being created by one of my forum members.  Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

Glad you see it my way :) I've been bitching about this in your threads for days, and I can respect your calm demeanor in responses. I wasn't trying to beat you up about it. Your website obviously has a lot of hard work in it. Since people have been calling it PBF since you launched, and it's widely known as such....naming it something other than would obviously cause an identity conflict between your business and it's buyers/sellers.

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« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2013, 08:11:05 pm »
The market's name will be changed Project: Blag Flag.  A logo is being created by one of my forum members.  Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

Good on you. Would +1 if I could. Way to stand up and do the right thing!
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« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2013, 08:25:58 pm »
The market's name will be changed Project: Blag Flag.  A logo is being created by one of my forum members.  Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

Good on you. Would +1 if I could. Way to stand up and do the right thing!

I threw it on there for mDPR. He seems to be a standup person.
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« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2013, 08:39:24 pm »
A lot of the flak people are giving mDPR is really unnecesary and it kind of pisses me off. He's a coder and he got to work right away and has been working ever since. A coder cannot be everything to everybody. Thinking up a new name, logo and all of the creative part may not be where his head works. This guy is busy as hell, dedicated and I do not believe his primary motivation is greed.

The community should support any efforts to rebuild. I've spent a ton of time here on these forums helping do just that, when I HATED Silk Road Forums while the site was up. i considered it the biggest honeypot known to the underground digital drug world. Too many n00bs, trolls and teenagers.

So give him a fucking break. I see no beta coming from these forums yet.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2013, 10:22:33 pm »
A lot of the flak people are giving mDPR is really unnecesary and it kind of pisses me off. He's a coder and he got to work right away and has been working ever since. A coder cannot be everything to everybody. Thinking up a new name, logo and all of the creative part may not be where his head works. This guy is busy as hell, dedicated and I do not believe his primary motivation is greed.

The community should support any efforts to rebuild. I've spent a ton of time here on these forums helping do just that, when I HATED Silk Road Forums while the site was up. i considered it the biggest honeypot known to the underground digital drug world. Too many n00bs, trolls and teenagers.

So give him a fucking break. I see no beta coming from these forums yet.

http://www.fotoshack.us/fotos/75144BFfinal1sm.png

A "coder" knows how to replace simple meta tags and how to replace images/logos with placeholders.
If you start with a copy of something you usually strip it of everything resembling the original and go from there.
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« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2013, 10:51:03 pm »

So give him a fucking break. I see no beta coming from these forums yet.


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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2013, 11:58:11 pm »
I've tried not to get involved in this because I'm obviously biased.

However I have browsed the new black flag site and I'll outline the problems I can see with it. Black flags can use this to improve their site.

1# The site has no inbuilt wallet. You use your own wallet to hold your money then create a transaction and send the money to their escrow wallet. I hope everyone who uses black flags also uses a external tumbling service.. this is a bit of a security issue.. This also just seems messy to me. What if you send the wrong amount of money? You can make orders but not pay for them?

2# I cant search for vendors

3# No Favorite Vendors

4# Where do the books marks go when you book mark items

5# Weakest captchas in the world

6# ugly

7# messaging textbox is too small.

Also the only vendor with access doesn't know how to format his PGP correctly ;)
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« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2013, 12:15:15 am »
Also the only vendor with access doesn't know how to format his PGP correctly ;)

Probably me. I'm having a nightmare with TAILS crappy GnuPG

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« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2013, 07:08:49 am »
WARNING!!! There is someone on Black Flag with the name AdventureTime that is not me. I messaged mettaDPR and he will not delete their account. His reasoning is he has no way to verify previous vendor accounts. Except he does since the original Silk Road forums are up and I have my PGP key posted there, and was able to be verified here. Therefor I will not be using their site and nobody should ever buy anything from AdventureTime on Black Flag.

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« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2013, 10:12:55 am »
I think it's great that there are people out there trying to establish new marketplaces - if the events earlier this month have taught us anything, it's that we shouldn't assume any one site is invincible, and having a diversity of options with vendors trading on multiple sites will provide stability should another disaster occur. I also think it's great that mettaDPR has recognised the need for a more fluent user interface than either BMR or Sheep is currently providing (and which SilkRoad, peace be upon it, did provide). However, my concern is with the security of his site.

I do not know him, and so do not know his level of savvy-ness with regards to digital security, but his posts about his plans for the site all seem to be focussed on interface, with no mention of security features. Obviously I don't expect him to go into detail about all the security features he plans to implement, but if we're to trust in his competence (and not just his benevolent intentions) then it would be reassuring to hear him at least give some indication that he's aware of the possible security issues that he'll have to address and the sort of ammunition LE will be throwing at this thing if it gets popular. There have been other anonymous markets that have sprung up with lofty ambitions only to shut down shortly citing their inability to adequately address security concerns as the main reason.

-Will he have mechanisms in place to handle DDOS attacks? Or other more sophisticated attacks?
-Is he keeping an ear to the right grapevines to keep abreast of vulnerabilities in server-side software - which was how Freedom Hosting (including TorMail) was infiltrated (CLEARNET: http://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/08/06/darknet-freedom-hosting-sites-shutdown-led-by-fbi-exploit-use-against-tor-network/): Apache, PHP, MySQL are all prone to loophole exploitation because they're open source - and Windows Server was developed with input from the NSA!
-Does he have a good understanding of the scope of current statistical analysis methods for Bitcoin? Any bitcoin tumbler you implement on your site WILL get mapped - all it takes is a few test deposits and withdrawals (CLEARNET: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/09/05/follow-the-bitcoins-how-we-got-busted-buying-drugs-on-silk-roads-black-market/) - so you need to take measures to minimize the danger that this will put users in. At the very least there should be two tumblers (as SilkRoad did), one for customers and another for vendor withdrawals. A better option altogether might be to use a third-party tumbling service and generating fresh addresses for each deposit or withdrawal - that way there's no way of anyone analysing the blockchain knowing if the money passed through the tumbler was through your site or was someone using the tumbling service completely indepentently.
-Finally, there is a major security concern that threw a lot of people in a panic after SR was shut down that he hasn't even mentioned: will his new marketplace implement AUTOMATIC PGP/GPG encryption (and decryption) of user data (addresses, private messages etc.)? Many users on the old SR, despite a plethora of forewarnings, didn't use PGP - that might be responsible for some major busts that have happened in the last week (CLEARNET: http://www.coindesk.com/four-men-arrested-uk-roles-silk-road/), although the actual reason these guys got caught is unclear and may have nothing to do with what the FBI was able to pull from the SilkRoad servers. I think a major reason people neglected PGP (and one of the few design flaws of SilkRoad) was that when placing orders with multiple vendors at once, you couldn't encrypt your address separately for each one.

Ulbricht, we learn from his indictment, wasn't a 100% fully clued up security expert, but he managed to get enough expert advice to built a safe and stable environment. The new SilkRoad, the one discussed on this forum, will not have his input, so the fact it is the "same community" as the old SilkRoad isn't a huge guarantee of its (prospective) security - but it is a COMMUNITY effort, i.e. there are multiple people, some of them very clued up, working on it, and that functions as a much better guarantee. Project: Black Flag, from what I gather, is just one guy. mDPR, I wish you all the best with your project, and look forward to seeing how it develops, but until there are some more encouraging signs about its security I'll stick to BMR and Sheep (until perhaps the "official" new SR pops up). BMR's interface is diabolical compared to SR - but it has been going a long time and backopy seems very clued up on security. Also, the main reason people didn't really like it before was because it was full of all the scammers that got banned from SR - now that many of the top vendors have flocked there it'll be a different story.
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« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2013, 10:38:09 am »
R160K - We have the technical notes of the previous Silk Road market. These have been applied to the new market already.
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« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2013, 10:41:06 am »
We have the technical notes of the previous Silk Road market. These have been applied to the new market already.

This is good to hear.
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« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2013, 03:47:30 pm »
-Finally, there is a major security concern that threw a lot of people in a panic after SR was shut down that he hasn't even mentioned: will his new marketplace implement AUTOMATIC PGP/GPG encryption (and decryption) of user data (addresses, private messages etc.)? Many users on the old SR, despite a plethora of forewarnings, didn't use PGP ...

I hope you're not arguing in favour of automatic encryption. That a buyer should send his address in cleartext to the market site, and let the site encrypt the address to the vendor. I hope not, and here's why:

One common piece of advice that we see again and again, from pretty much all the mods and admins and respected tech/security guys, is this:

Assume the site is run by law enforcement, and act accordingly.

You can't do that and at the same time trust the site to destroy all trace of your cleartext address immediately after encryption.

As the saying goes, if you want something done properly, do it yourself. If you want your address information to be safe from prying eyes, which could intercept it at any time from the moment it leaves your computer to the moment it reaches the vendor, encrypting it yourself is the only way.

... (and decryption) ...

d'oh! If the server can decrypt, then the relevant key must also be on the server, and in that case encryption serves no purpose. A server holding encrypted addresses and decryption keys, is the same as a server holding cleartext addresses.

I think a major reason people neglected PGP (and one of the few design flaws of SilkRoad) was that when placing orders with multiple vendors at once, you couldn't encrypt your address separately for each one.

I'm not 100% sure I understood this part correctly. And if that was key to understanding your whole paragraph on encryption, then accept my apologies for speaking too soon. But PGP does allow for encrypting to multiple recipients in a single message, if you chose to do it that way. The other way, quite obviously, was to place a separate order for each vendor.

In the end though, I have every faith that DPR will not build automatic encryption into the new market, not least because his opening speech mentioned a PGP-based login method to prevent phishing, implying that at least a minimal level of PGP proficiency will be a prerequisite for membership. I couldn't be more pleased.

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« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2013, 05:11:47 am »
I hope you're not arguing in favour of automatic encryption. That a buyer should send his address in cleartext to the market site, and let the site encrypt the address to the vendor. I hope not, and here's why:
I was not arguing in favour of server side encryption; when a user loads a page where they are entering a message or a an address, the relevant public key(s) for the recipients are sent to the client along with an encryption algorithm, and the encryption is done on the user's machine. This of course could mean they might have to adjust their javascript permissions. Alternatively, leaving scripts disabled, they could install something like the GreaseMonkey plugin and a script containing the encryption algorithm that prompts the user for how many PGP/GPG public keys the information is to be encrypted for, requests each of these in turn, requests the cleartext message/address then returns the encrypted message which can be copied and pasted back into the message/address box. (Though I suppose that isn't strictly automated PGP; they would probably be just as well doing the encryption using a desktop or command-line client. Unless the GreaseMonkey script was designed to read the returned page's source, which could contain hidden fields whose values were the PGP keys, and the unsubmitted content of the message box, and encrypt the text at the click of one button).

d'oh! If the server can decrypt, then the relevant key must also be on the server, and in that case encryption serves no purpose. A server holding encrypted addresses and decryption keys, is the same as a server holding cleartext addresses.
The private keys, used for decrypting, would not be stored on the server. There would be an algorithm sent to the client that generates a key-pair from a user-entered word/phrase. The user would enter the word/phrase to generate the private key on the client, and decrypt the message client-side. Again of course the user would have to allow some scripts from certain pages for this to work (which could compromise security if an attacker was able to manipulate a loophole in the server code and use it to run a malicious script in client browsers, though that's a big if), or else use a GreaseMonkey script.

But automatic PGP/GPG encryption is perfectly plausible IF the user enables some scripts.
[Admittedly when I wrote the original comment I neglected to think of the specifics of implementing it (i.e. javascript would almost certainly be required unless additional plugins/scripts were installed), but I was certainly not suggesting a server-side approach.]
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« Reply #79 on: October 17, 2013, 06:42:28 am »
But automatic PGP/GPG encryption is perfectly plausible IF the user enables some scripts.
Even if that were technically true, it's irrelevant because nobody in their right mind would enable scripting on a site like this, especially in view of what happened at Freedom Hosting.

But just out of academic interest, could you explain what you meant by this:

There would be an algorithm sent to the client that generates a key-pair from a user-entered word/phrase. The user would enter the word/phrase to generate the private key on the client, and decrypt the message client-side.

... because it seems like you might be making one of the following mistakes:

(a) confusing symmetric with asymmetric encryption, or

(b) using the words:
      "generate a key-pair from a user-entered word/phrase"
to mean:
      "retrieve an existing private key from vendor's locally-stored keyring, given the passphrase for said key", or

(c) talking utter nonsense.

In your scenario, the buyer has encrypted his address with the vendor's public key, yes? So then, when the vendor wants to decrypt it, you're saying he generates a new key-pair which, by virtue of being derived from an appropriate user-entered word or phrase, happens to be identical to the vendor's own key-pair? That can't be right. How long would the phrase have to be, in order for that to work? (Answer: very long indeed, tantamount to requiring the vendor to memorize his entire private key, and to type it in every time he processes an order). This scenario would indeed be utter nonsense, that's partly what I meant by (c) above, and I just wanted to eliminate it first.

If the mistake you've made is (b), then fine I understand what you mean.

If it's (a), then I guess you're saying there are no actual PGP keys involved in the encryption or decryption, and that both buyer and vendor must enter the same word/phrase as each other (a pre-shared secret) and that the script would derive a *symmetric* key from it and use that key for encryption and decryption. Again this doesn't seem right; asymmetric encryption thankfully eliminates the need for pre-shared secrets, so why would we take such a backward step?

These are the only ways I have of interpreting what you said, and none of them seem quite right. So if it's something else, please explain.

Or don't, as you wish. I was just curious.


[Admittedly when I wrote the original comment I neglected to think of the specifics of implementing it (i.e. javascript would almost certainly be required unless additional plugins/scripts were installed), but I was certainly not suggesting a server-side approach.]
Ah, ok. (hastily editing for your edit, I didn't see that before).
From your last remark I see that we are probably in agreement, that this is more of an academic discussion, rather than something practical that a site like this might actually implement. Good then, and thanks for your reply.

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« Reply #80 on: October 17, 2013, 07:45:04 am »
So then, when the vendor wants to decrypt it, you're saying he generates a new key-pair which, by virtue of being derived from an appropriate user-entered word or phrase, happens to be identical to the vendor's own key-pair?

I think I started writing something else then changed my mind and forgot to change the word "key-pair" to "private key", as there would be no need to generate the public key, but the statement still makes sense. I suppose what I was saying was close to (b), but not quite: the key is not locally stored; the same algorithm used to generate the key initially is re-executed, though not necessarily taking the word/phrase as the only input; it could take into account the vendor's name, other static information about the vendor, or even some (long) meta-data attached to the vendor's account when the key was first generated which insures that when it is combined with the (short) word/phrase and any other relevant static data (such as vendor's name) the algorithm produces an identical private key. (I suppose that would be topologically identical to where the private key is stored encrypted on the server, is passed to the client where it is unencrypted with the passphrase and is then used - although I was not thinking of it like this, I was viewing it more along the lines of re-generating the key using the same word/phrase.) Again, I wasn't thinking of specific implementations when I was writing, just the general idea.

[EDIT: I think I've realised where your confusion is stemming from. The system would not be using buyer's/vendor's pre-existing public/private keys; a new keypair would be generated when the user signed up for an account (using a word/phrase), and it is this private key that would be re-generated from the word/phrase, NOT the user's own private key they generated themselves; the PGP/GPG keys would be new ones intended only for automatic use on the marketplace (though there is no reason users couldn't export their keyring for use elsewhere if they wished). Users could still sign messages using their own personal private keys to confirm their identity across sites/services/forums/e-mail addresses etc. The idea is just to ensure vulnerable information is never stored in plaintext on the server.]


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In the interests of fullness of academic discussion I thought I would say this:
Even if that were technically true, it's irrelevant because nobody in their right mind would enable scripting on a site like this, especially in view of what happened at Freedom Hosting.
There is a (theoretical) solution to this problem: if someone designed a plug-in (or forked NoScript) that allows pre-allowed sites to execute specific pre-allowed scripts; i.e. the entire script (or some hash of it) is compared to all the scripts/hashes in the plugin's "safe list" and is only executed if it's an exact match. However, designing (plus maintaining and distributing) of Firefox plugins is probably beyond the desired scope of anyone already busy with building/maintaining/administering an anonymous marketplace.
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« Reply #81 on: October 17, 2013, 10:23:45 am »
Hi. I was going to make a thread but thought it would be okay to post here. I wondered if anyone else received a pm from username "exe.html"  about a black flag UK site which MDPR has told me is a scam, have I been singled out, lol? Here's the pm:

hi mary

we're trying to group everyone from the UK
at http://blackflagforum.net/forum/

me and a few people from the rumor mill.

going to be for UK buyers/sellers only

looking for moderators

i know you've been very active in the UK thread.

let me kno

The page is now gone but it was a copy of the sr forum and only admin was there!!  :-\

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« Reply #82 on: October 17, 2013, 10:28:18 am »
Hello Mary

I don't know enough to tell you whether they were attempting to scam multiple users or not, but any black market forum that's hosted on the clearnet should probably be avoided.

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« Reply #83 on: October 17, 2013, 01:47:40 pm »

Project: Black Flag is the forum, Silk Road is the site.  I did not want to create another "Silk Road Forums," but my members wanted to keep the SR name for the site.

Have a little respect and try to be original. PBF is not Silk Road. Silk Road was Silk Road. Stealing the name and slapping it on a webpage makes me want to never visit your site.

You're still in beta, so you have a chance to be a man and come up with your own name, nobody likes a thief.
I will hold a poll on my forum and let the community decide.

Youre leaving the decision of stealing someone else's legacy up to a vote rather than letting your own moral compass guide you in an appropriate direction?

Even the moderators of the (only) Silkroad are choosing a new name. It seems highly inappropriate for someone that wasn't involved in the (only) Silkroad to steal the brand when the community involved in the first place is rebranding.

Silkroad is not yours to take over. Be original and make your own brand and make it successful. You aren't DPR and your community isn't Silkroad

If you think that the "Silkroad" can be owned and coveted, you're doing it wrong.
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« Reply #84 on: October 17, 2013, 01:50:28 pm »
 
Rome was not built in a day.  If you look back to when the previous SR first launched, I am sure you would change your opinion.

There is no "previous" sr. There is SR and then some kid with no imagination slapping the SR logo that he/she stole onto a new website and attempting to ride the coat-tails of the ONLY SR.


Give the guy a break. He's been working tirelessly day and night to get this site running. Yes, I agree it should not be called SR. I am sure it will be changed to "Black Flag" in due time. Think of it as just a placeholder, rather than thinking of it as a display of mDPR's hubris. He'll change it. He'll remove the camel and replace it with a pirate's flag. People have been discussing it over on the Black Flag forums. He probably launched the beta too early but we should try to provide some encouragement and point out some kinks that he can then sort out. Security, of course, along with financial integrity are the most important elements of the site. Those need to be dealt with first, along with basic functionality. Then we can focus on the bells and whistles and change the logo and name.

I couldn't agree with you more.  Come on guys, why are we turning on ourselves??  We're in this together and the mood should be that of encouragement and contribution.
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« Reply #85 on: October 17, 2013, 01:52:13 pm »
Does it really matter what the site is named?

You can call it fairyland fruit emporium if you choose, so long as it accomplishes the mission that Silk Road accomplished.

In that spirit, let him call it whatever he wants. I don't recall a trademark or copyright on the name, and we all know seeing that project online makes us feel very good.

Take a chill pill.  8)

Cheers.

edit: Head on over to Project Black Flag, or Silk Road, to purchase your chill pills!

LOL loved your post!  Fairyland Fruit Emporium is the best name ever...mdpr you should seriously consider this as a viable option.
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« Reply #86 on: October 17, 2013, 01:55:22 pm »
A lot of the flak people are giving mDPR is really unnecesary and it kind of pisses me off. He's a coder and he got to work right away and has been working ever since. A coder cannot be everything to everybody. Thinking up a new name, logo and all of the creative part may not be where his head works. This guy is busy as hell, dedicated and I do not believe his primary motivation is greed.

The community should support any efforts to rebuild. I've spent a ton of time here on these forums helping do just that, when I HATED Silk Road Forums while the site was up. i considered it the biggest honeypot known to the underground digital drug world. Too many n00bs, trolls and teenagers.

So give him a fucking break. I see no beta coming from these forums yet.

http://www.fotoshack.us/fotos/75144BFfinal1sm.png

A "coder" knows how to replace simple meta tags and how to replace images/logos with placeholders.
If you start with a copy of something you usually strip it of everything resembling the original and go from there.
This is my opinion. Yours may differ.

There was no copy to go on- he scrapped everything and rebuilt from the ground up.  He actually has more info on the forums- I think it's worth a look if you're curious/interested.
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« Reply #87 on: October 17, 2013, 07:47:34 pm »
Hello Mary

I don't know enough to tell you whether they were attempting to scam multiple users or not, but any black market forum that's hosted on the clearnet should probably be avoided.

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« Reply #88 on: October 17, 2013, 08:10:08 pm »
Hello Mary

I don't know enough to tell you whether they were attempting to scam multiple users or not, but any black market forum that's hosted on the clearnet should probably be avoided.

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« Reply #89 on: October 25, 2013, 02:40:45 am »
any issues with using black flag atm?
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« Reply #90 on: October 26, 2013, 12:06:30 am »
any issues with using black flag atm?
People need to stop using "atm" as an abbreviation for "at the moment" because, where I come from, "atm" is an abbreviation for something VERY different.
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« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2013, 12:35:16 am »
any issues with using black flag atm?
People need to stop using "atm" as an abbreviation for "at the moment" because, where I come from, "atm" is an abbreviation for something VERY different.

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« Reply #92 on: October 27, 2013, 03:39:39 pm »
any issues with using black flag atm?
People need to stop using "atm" as an abbreviation for "at the moment" because, where I come from, "atm" is an abbreviation for something VERY different.

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« Reply #93 on: October 27, 2013, 09:41:17 pm »
any issues with using black flag atm?

Yes, BF is having issues with the escrow system, I would say we are on hold right now. Two vendors have had small amounts of coins disappear into the ether and mDPR I believe has had to tend to IRL issues. So we are kind of in a dead zone right now. Don't sign our death warrant or anything, I'm sure it will be worked out, but it's going to take a minute as we are a small venture with only one programmer.

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« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2013, 09:49:15 pm »
any issues with using black flag atm?
...but it's going to take a minute as we are a small venture with only one programmer.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #95 on: October 27, 2013, 10:13:03 pm »
any issues with using black flag atm?
...but it's going to take a minute as we are a small venture with only one programmer.
AKA a waste of dark web space.  Your work is admirable, but futile nonetheless.

Really? And what are you doing to contribute anything besides criticism?

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #96 on: October 27, 2013, 10:42:46 pm »
any issues with using black flag atm?
...but it's going to take a minute as we are a small venture with only one programmer.
AKA a waste of dark web space.  Your work is admirable, but futile nonetheless.

Really? And what are you doing to contribute anything besides criticism?
This generic response that appears anytime some criticizes Project Black Flag.  In case you didn't know, no one asked you or your head minion "mettaDPR" to create a new marketplace since Silk Road's fall from grace.  Since no one requested your service, we're all free to proclaim or criticize your product.  I, for example, think your product sucks and I am entitled to my opinion.  You, as an apparent promoter of Project Black Flag, are expected to hail this new marketplace.  So, until I see otherwise, I will continue to criticism an inferior product.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #97 on: October 28, 2013, 12:07:29 am »
And I will continue to criticism an inferior brain.

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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #98 on: October 28, 2013, 12:12:30 am »
any issues with using black flag atm?
People need to stop using "atm" as an abbreviation for "at the moment" because, where I come from, "atm" is an abbreviation for something VERY different.

Oh yeeeeeaaaa ass to mouth.  Not for the weak stomached.

Clerks 2, "You never go ass to mouth..."

I'll never look at "atm" quite the same way again.

As for Project Black Flag, methinks having another line isn't bad at all if the security is up to the task.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #99 on: October 28, 2013, 12:18:34 am »
I think security is VERY tight, it's gonna be a slow slow, just like anyone else trying to get up off the ground. I've got a festival coming in two weeks and I'm going to give a shot at BMR I think.

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« Reply #100 on: October 28, 2013, 12:21:00 am »
And I will continue to criticism an inferior brain.
I think you mean "criticize."  Oh, the irony.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #101 on: October 28, 2013, 01:56:42 am »
I'm making fun of you dumbass. You just corrected me making fun of your grammar. Now stop, I'm at least better at english than you.
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #102 on: October 28, 2013, 02:41:35 am »
I don't care to judge the merits of a project until it proclaims that it is operational. That said, even SM and BMR are helpful simply by existing--the more targets LE has to aim at the happier I'll be. Good luck PBF.
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« Reply #103 on: October 28, 2013, 10:37:40 pm »
I'm making fun of you dumbass. You just corrected me making fun of your grammar. Now stop, I'm at least better at english than you.
*English ;)
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Re: Project: Black Flag/New Silk Road
« Reply #104 on: October 28, 2013, 11:22:36 pm »
You know this means hell for you:
Bent over a bale of hay, handcuffed, behind you a clown driving a lorry with a dildo tied to the front of it. The clown has the oxford dictionary on his lap open to.........

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