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Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« on: May 17, 2014, 07:22:44 am »
As far as I can tell most buyers and vendors here (if not all) use bitcoinfog as their method to tumble and anonymize their BTC, for peace of mind that they will not fall under blockchain analysis if SR goes down and their address('s) are given to LE. Maybe I've just been smoking too much weed today but can we really trust them? I think it would be a lot healtheir for the community to see some competition in TOR tumbling hidden services, with various sites offering new and novel different way to tumble their BTC.

They seem to do an excellent job if used right, but if the methods they use to tumble are following a simple algorithm then anyone who knows how it is coded could surely work out and link the in addresses to the out addresses pretty easily, which would render it a major issue in terms of remaining anonymous ?

As another paranoid thought it's ocurred to me that since BCF always sends out a very exact amount to the satochi level, to the eight sig fig minimum. That's a potential 10 million unique amounts connected to every address you use, which if stored and searched for in the blockchain could make any address that uses bitcoin fog easily found ... right ? Or wrong ?

Luckily I guess using BCF is not synonymous with using SR, but it's at least is a strong inference you may have been.

Ways round this might be using darkcoin (a self tumbling coin) or using a tumbling service where you can write your own tumbling algorithm, but as far as I can tell there is only the one TOR based tumbling service (bitcoinfog), which to me seems like a very centralized point of failure for the anonymity of SR users bitcoins.

Thoughts?
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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2014, 08:47:19 am »
Trust for bitcoinfog has just been earned over the many years it has been around that's all. They have about as much trust as as SR and the fact they endorsed Agora helps as well.

You gotta think most people don't even tumble their coins - so even just using bitcoinfog is at least SOMETHING for the people that are thinking more about security.

You're right about being not being perfect though. If you really want your coins to be scrambled then you should use multiple tumblers and random amounts.
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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2014, 09:55:42 am »
Hers another tor mixing service,but have not used it,so couldn,t tell you anything about it.



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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2014, 12:25:30 pm »
Hers another tor mixing service,but have not used it,so couldn,t tell you anything about it.



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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 06:30:04 pm »
I have heard nothing but good things about bit blender. I haven't tried it, as I've always had success with BFog.

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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 10:31:13 pm »
i've used it about 10 times.  puts the fog to shame.  fast, efficient, and i haven't had any downtime with it, ever. 

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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 10:40:04 am »
Bitcoin Blender is surprisingly good - you don't have to wait for 8 hours for your withdrawal if you just want a quick mix (although, of course, waiting a while and mixing several times is always a good thing).

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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 10:52:09 am »
for sure blender has less operations than fog

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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2014, 03:11:05 pm »
for sure blender has less operations than fog

Coding operations or users?

It seems great, glad there's some more competition in the market now.

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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2014, 07:13:45 pm »
i'm pretty sure fog is the biggest tumbler in the deepweb

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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2014, 08:14:45 pm »
Bitblender. Bitlaunder there's heaps some good and some scams I use bitlaunder no w damn sight faster or good ole blockchain shared send if I'm in a rush
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Re: Some paranoid thoughts about Bitcoin Fog
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2014, 02:36:03 am »
Yea BTC Fog has a superior reputation that has been around since the  beginning stages of SR.  I'ts reliable and effective.

If you're going to worry, I wouldn't recommend that it be about BTC Fog but more likely something else. 
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