An LE tactic many would fall for - Be careful.

[Hiniguel]

I'll keep this short and sweet. It's a well known fact LE profile us - especially those that are 'higher' up so to speak. Vendors, mods and the rest of the staff. They try to gather info on these forums that may lead to being able to build a profile about us, locations (roughly), physical looks, slang that may be used (by this I mean words that are used by people of only certain locations)


Anyway, do you remember how LE got Ross to start acting like a fool? They angered him. They threatened him with exposure of over 500 buyers and that made Ross angry and he slipped up and let rage make him **allegedly** hire a hit-man.


Often on these forums, people will try to rustle your tail feathers so to speak. Be careful with these people.


Sure, some are just people looking for a fight or seem to think they know everything. Other times it could be LE looking to add on to some profiles. Most recently I noticed it happening to me in a thread. Someone was saying the most ridiculous things to me, and from the beginning I felt it had LE written all over it.


So, I let them know the way I get my MBB's for shipping. Well... I never really. I told them a big pile of bullshit. Shortly after my post I got numerous PM's like 'FUCK DELETE THAT MAN YOU SHOULDNT HAVE SAID IT.' I simply answered them all with, I've been at this for 3 years, do you think I am that stupid as to give something like that away.


If they are to back track my posts (LE of course) they are going to be left fairly confused. Sometimes I have a team of 6, other times 4. Sometimes we/I am an individual. Sometimes I give away clues to as what I look like (but of course it's BS). Maybe I have a pet cat, or a dog. Maybe I have 37 parrots that help me package product.

Occasionaly I like to give away clues about this crews current operation location - of course every single one has been nothing short of a lie.


I am a professional; I am not going to incriminate Hiniguel or anything to do with Hiniguel in anyway in an open forum.


What I am trying to say is keep your cool; these LEO are pros at what they do. They can manipulate you without you even knowing. So, try and stay calm at all times and just try keep this place as safe and don't let LE get what they want.

[kisforkittens]

good advice. +1 for taking the time to right that. some of it is common sense of course but alot of people don't take notice of common sense until they see it posted on here.

[Hiniguel]

good advice. +1 for taking the time to right that. some of it is common sense of course but alot of people don't take notice of common sense until they see it posted on here.

+1 back to you.


Common sense is often over looked when we are trying to use our brain at maximum capacity. Before I dive in to any situation I like to sit back and look at it from the perspective of someone who was not involved in the said situation at all.

[Merovingian]

I am considered a psychopath, so having my Jimmies rustled is not an issue.

[blackhand]

I am considered a psychopath, so having my Jimmies rustled is not an issue.

I'd be very interested in seeing a psychological profile for how many more people (vendors especially) on Silk Road are psychopaths than within the general population.

[Hiniguel]

I am considered a psychopath, so having my Jimmies rustled is not an issue.

I'd be very interested in seeing a psychological profile for how many more people (vendors especially) on Silk Road are psychopaths than within the general population.

I personally believe if you were to take 500 SR users and compare to 500 LEO - there would be more psychopaths (by a large amount) within the LEO category. False sense of power will change a man.

[snowwhite421]

I love telling stories, so sometimes when i want to drive home a point to someone, I make a story up, about a girl, or some bitches, or a friend that went through something, or when I was living abroad, or when I was doing this or that, or found this or that, or seen this or that, or whatever. I understand part of what will keep me safe is to never reference anything remotely close to anything that has happened to me, or anyone I know, or anything about me or them. that does kind of suck when chit chatting with people, buuuuuut on the flipside I can make up stories about whatever i want for conversation and obfuscations sake. I know they have analysis tools that will build profiles on people based on what others have said in the past on the internet. Thats how they found the one person from sr1 that allegedly worked with ross.

If youre looking for me, I will be hiding in that pile of bullshit over there..

[Merovingian]

I am considered a psychopath, so having my Jimmies rustled is not an issue.

I'd be very interested in seeing a psychological profile for how many more people (vendors especially) on Silk Road are psychopaths than within the general population.

I personally believe if you were to take 500 SR users and compare to 500 LEO - there would be more psychopaths (by a large amount) within the LEO category. False sense of power will change a man.

I agree.

[Klaymen]

+1 to you for a very good idea. I am going to start practicing that as well. Or maybe I am not.

[Fistingfedz]

covering tracks much?? lol

[bbkf]

I do my best to make sure my money and drops are as confusing as possible. I like to tell stories and sometimes get a little personal in public and that's why I do most of my trading outside of Silk Road. I think my contribution is to add that personal flavor to the forums now that they are on to us. It's keeps the movement going and for many I'm a familiar face with a handle that goes way before SR. Especially now that chemmy is a mod I've gotten a lot nicer to people. Well a little nicer. Hey fuck I'm not JTB........

=^.^=

[srysirnoingles]

you really think that's how the N S A got Ross right? lol.

[Hiniguel]

you really think that's how the N S A got Ross right? lol.

There is no proof of involvment of the NSA in the arrest of Ross Ulbricht.

[srysirnoingles]

Nsa, Dea, all the same.

The methods you mentioned for catching him were all part of a parrallel construct strategy.

Nonetheless, this is an excellent thread and a good reminder to all. We should not get complacent.

[paki23]

Good point, well made.  I miss the camaraderie of the old forums but it is posts like these, that make this place a community.

God that sounded cheesy...

[Hiniguel]

Nsa, Dea, all the same.

The methods you mentioned for catching him were all part of a parrallel construct strategy.

Nonetheless, this is an excellent thread and a good reminder to all. We should not get complacent.

I agree to an extent. I feel the NSA only step in when the other departments are at a dead end and don't know what else to do.

However, we don't even know how powerful the NSA is. Snowden revelead a lot of info for the world but even at that, we still no very little.


But, yes - they moral of the thread was don't get complacent. Always be on your toes. Trust only those who can prove themselves to you and ignore the rest.

[Meerkovo]

Greets Hiniguel, pretty interesting post, buyers well especially vendors should not be tempted by buyers offers and especially have to meet the buyer in person, you would be surprised how many PM's you get asking these sort of things.


Another tip, when you feel you feel like some is trying to rattle your box, most probably LE. Your know your norms and you know when your being pushed from your norms.


+1 nonetheless


Meerkovo

[deathowl1990]

Very correct!

I would like to recommend everyone to use fake trails! Whether its your username or your dogs name.

Lie lie lie and lie more about your "real self". Make every personal information into a fairy tale. You have a friend named Michael and you want to talk about him on forums? Say he is your brother named James.

You need a username? Search a random forum and steal a username.

Fake everything which has anything to do with you, even in the slightest.



@hiniguel

37 parrots which do the packaging? Tell them its 42 penguins!

[Hiniguel]

Greets Hiniguel, pretty interesting post, buyers well especially vendors should not be tempted by buyers offers and especially have to meet the buyer in person, you would be surprised how many PM's you get asking these sort of things.


Another tip, when you feel you feel like some is trying to rattle your box, most probably LE. Your know your norms and you know when your being pushed from your norms.


+1 nonetheless


Meerkovo

Great to see you back around here my friend - you currently vending? Good to have some real UK competition!  From what I've been told me and you have the finest in all of the land!


But yeah, you are right. When you have been at this as long as I have which was when BTC's were at least 30x less valuable than they are now, you can tell the difference between someone who think they are right, a troll, and someone trying to make you angry for a certain reason.


Yeah, I get them all the time. 'I'll take 5 kilos of MD off your hands but would rather meet in person'...

Well I'd rather keep my 5 kilos of MD and not end up in a jail cell thank you very much!

[Meerkovo]

Greets Hiniguel, pretty interesting post, buyers well especially vendors should not be tempted by buyers offers and especially have to meet the buyer in person, you would be surprised how many PM's you get asking these sort of things.


Another tip, when you feel you feel like some is trying to rattle your box, most probably LE. Your know your norms and you know when your being pushed from your norms.


+1 nonetheless


Meerkovo

Great to see you back around here my friend - you currently vending? Good to have some real UK competition!  From what I've been told me and you have the finest in all of the land!


But yeah, you are right. When you have been at this as long as I have which was when BTC's were at least 30x less valuable than they are now, you can tell the difference between someone who think they are right, a troll, and someone trying to make you angry for a certain reason.


Yeah, I get them all the time. 'I'll take 5 kilos of MD off your hands but would rather meet in person'...

Well I'd rather keep my 5 kilos of MD and not end up in a jail cell thank you very much!

Haha not really mate, it's the product that is sometimes But almost out of it soon anyway so the gate is open


Nice one.


Meerkovo

[srysirnoingles]

Yeah, I get them all the time. 'I'll take 5 kilos of MD off your hands but would rather meet in person'...

lets stick to drinking together in captains thread, imo.

[Hiniguel]

Yeah, I get them all the time. 'I'll take 5 kilos of MD off your hands but would rather meet in person'...

lets stick to drinking together in captains thread, imo.

There was quite a party in there the other night, I opened my store for everyone in the 'Green Camel' and boy oh boy, we did all end up in some sort of 3rd dimension!

[PerfectScans]

brilliant I spent the last year or more convincing everyone I was a guy mwah

Now no one knows, not even me...

Slacks or boots today ?

[Hiniguel]

brilliant I spent the last year or more convincing everyone I was a guy mwah

Now no one knows, not even me...

Slacks or boots today ?

I'll go with that dress over there and you can where the overalls 



and yes where not wear because I am a illiterate traveler who lives in a caravan and doesn't pay taxes

[StudyDrugsUK]

Good advice man! Regretting telling everyone that I live in Birmingham the other day... should have said I live in Cumbria with my wife, kids and mother in law   

[Hiniguel]

Good advice man! Regretting telling everyone that I live in Birmingham the other day... should have said I live in Cumbria with my wife, kids and mother in law   

No mate, you live in a  text book StudyDrugs you big nerd!   

[JehovahsWitness]

Hiniguel out of curiosity: did the so called security experts in their flaming point out that OPSEC weakness?


Furthermore I did try to explain that stating that all your OPSEC leaks were deliberate and inaccurate gives LE exactly that info. I reckon they would have gotten to that conclusion by themselves after same detective work or costly trial and errors. Now, even if they challenge your statements, they will conclude it is deliberate misinformation easier.

Also anyone pointing that OPSEC weakness is also suspicious. Instead of helping, they might try to verify if the info is legit. And I did PM Hiniguel.

Start a passionate subject, use fallacious and biased arguments, address disagreement with personal attacks and you get people worked up.
And then, people start to argue with passion to show you they're no "retards".

As your addressing their being people are more likely to respond on that level, giving away what was sought after.

Please question everything I said and my intentions. Stay sharp.

Good OP Hiniguel. +1 here.


 

I believe anyway.

[JehovahsWitness]

I am considered a psychopath, so having my Jimmies rustled is not an issue.

I'd be very interested in seeing a psychological profile for how many more people (vendors especially) on Silk Road are psychopaths than within the general population.

You couldn't get any concluent results with a study like that. The results would be tainted, as you couldn't properly control your population (in statistical regards).

There are far to many feds in here for you to do so.

[WickedWords]

My punchbowl has a gigantic turd in it

[Animal]

Ya cant bullshit a bullshitter...   

[Hiniguel]

Ya cant bullshit a bullshitter...   

But you can tell stories all day long.. Anyone can and that's the important thing.

[Animal]

Ya cant bullshit a bullshitter...   

But you can tell stories all day long.. Anyone can and that's the important thing.

Sorry Hiniguel ya misunderstood me...my fault.
LE are the bullshit and you are the bullshitter.

[GrandWizardsLair]

+1 to Hiniguel for bringing up an important issue. 

While we're talking about Ross Ulbricht, I might also bring up Chronicpain and Coachella.  Both of them were DOXXed thanks to info they let slip in private and public conversations.  They weren't discovered by the NSA, by the FBI, or by Batman working overtime at the Bat-Computer.  They were identified by netgeeks with a bit of spare time and some basic research skills. 

That's what amateurs can do.  The LEOs reading these forums and the various darknet Reddits are not amateurs.

When in doubt always remember the Grand Wizard's Law: when traveling on the Silk Road, one speaks of nothing but the Silk Road.  Nobody cares about the awesome Skrillex set you saw last night, about how much the Adderall you bought here helped with your Master's Thesis, about how today is the anniversary of your brother's death.  Nobody, that is, but somebody who can use that info to identify you.  There are lots of places on the Internet where you can talk about your personal life and your hobbies.  This isn't one of them.

[StudyDrugsUK]

Good advice man! Regretting telling everyone that I live in Birmingham the other day... should have said I live in Cumbria with my wife, kids and mother in law   

No mate, you live in a  text book StudyDrugs you big nerd!   

haha yes I study History with applied Cardiology at the University of Leicster where I live with my dog and russian bride...

Edit: *Russian bride.
Cant believe I was forgetting about punctuation I study English at Cambridge University for goodness sake.

[Vanessa Hudgens]

so basically don't act a fool and keep your cool! tell subtle lies and they will adam and eve it

[PerfectScans]

and vanessa is from london area

[Animal]

and vanessa is from london area

Vanessa ? Is that you ? Remember we met in Manchester last year ! Have you moved to London ?.. 

[Hiniguel]

Good advice man! Regretting telling everyone that I live in Birmingham the other day... should have said I live in Cumbria with my wife, kids and mother in law   

No mate, you live in a  text book StudyDrugs you big nerd!   

haha yes I study History with applied Cardiology at the University of Leicster where I live with my dog and russian bride...

Edit: *Russian bride.
Cant believe I was forgetting about punctuation I study English at Cambridge University for goodness sake.

That's right you sat next to me in the defence against the dark arts class back in '87 didnt you?

[Vanessa Hudgens]

and vanessa is from london area

Vanessa ? Is that you ? Remember we met in Manchester last year ! Have you moved to London ?.. 

was it at one of the wearhouse project parties? and yeah i am around

[StudyDrugsUK]

Good advice man! Regretting telling everyone that I live in Birmingham the other day... should have said I live in Cumbria with my wife, kids and mother in law   

No mate, you live in a  text book StudyDrugs you big nerd!   

haha yes I study History with applied Cardiology at the University of Leicster where I live with my dog and russian bride...

Edit: *Russian bride.
Cant believe I was forgetting about punctuation I study English at Cambridge University for goodness sake.

That's right you sat next to me in the defence against the dark arts class back in '87 didnt you?

No no it was more recent than that.... I remember because I was banging Hermione and the Ginger kids sister

[JehovahsWitness]

Mr Tarbell, I think we got 'em good.

[srysirnoingles]

Good advice man! Regretting telling everyone that I live in Birmingham the other day... should have said I live in Cumbria with my wife, kids and mother in law   

No mate, you live in a  text book StudyDrugs you big nerd!   

haha yes I study History with applied Cardiology at the University of Leicster where I live with my dog and russian bride...

Edit: *Russian bride.
Cant believe I was forgetting about punctuation I study English at Cambridge University for goodness sake.

That's right you sat next to me in the defence against the dark arts class back in '87 didnt you?

no that was me luke

[eThug]

Don't feed the trolls

[Garry Johnson]

I'll keep this short and sweet. It's a well known fact LE profile us - especially those that are 'higher' up so to speak. Vendors, mods and the rest of the staff. They try to gather info on these forums that may lead to being able to build a profile about us, locations (roughly), physical looks, slang that may be used (by this I mean words that are used by people of only certain locations)


Anyway, do you remember how LE got Ross to start acting like a fool? They angered him. They threatened him with exposure of over 500 buyers and that made Ross angry and he slipped up and let rage make him **allegedly** hire a hit-man.


Often on these forums, people will try to rustle your tail feathers so to speak. Be careful with these people.


Sure, some are just people looking for a fight or seem to think they know everything. Other times it could be LE looking to add on to some profiles. Most recently I noticed it happening to me in a thread. Someone was saying the most ridiculous things to me, and from the beginning I felt it had LE written all over it.


So, I let them know the way I get my MBB's for shipping. Well... I never really. I told them a big pile of bullshit. Shortly after my post I got numerous PM's like 'FUCK DELETE THAT MAN YOU SHOULDNT HAVE SAID IT.' I simply answered them all with, I've been at this for 3 years, do you think I am that stupid as to give something like that away.


If they are to back track my posts (LE of course) they are going to be left fairly confused. Sometimes I have a team of 6, other times 4. Sometimes we/I am an individual. Sometimes I give away clues to as what I look like (but of course it's BS). Maybe I have a pet cat, or a dog. Maybe I have 37 parrots that help me package product.

Occasionaly I like to give away clues about this crews current operation location - of course every single one has been nothing short of a lie.


I am a professional; I am not going to incriminate Hiniguel or anything to do with Hiniguel in anyway in an open forum.


What I am trying to say is keep your cool; these LEO are pros at what they do. They can manipulate you without you even knowing. So, try and stay calm at all times and just try keep this place as safe and don't let LE get what they want.

This is false we see no value in this due to the fact there is so much bullshit that gets thrown around here on these forums it is impossible to sift through the truth from the lies. We prefer to keep our information as reliable as possible and this place is worse than a bunch of drunk fisherman comparing war stories. We seek truth from what we can physically catch you with which is why we waited for Ross to log into his laptop and put a tracker on Nod's car. If we were to profile everyone on this forum it would have as much legal clout as Santa describing how he rapes elves who won't make him toys. We only care about what we can prove because in the eyes of the law that is all that matters. You could tell us you were a Colombian drug lord or the number one pill maker in Europe and we would believe it about as quickly as anyone else here. Learn how we operate hippie!

-Garry

[Hiniguel]

I'll keep this short and sweet. It's a well known fact LE profile us - especially those that are 'higher' up so to speak. Vendors, mods and the rest of the staff. They try to gather info on these forums that may lead to being able to build a profile about us, locations (roughly), physical looks, slang that may be used (by this I mean words that are used by people of only certain locations)


Anyway, do you remember how LE got Ross to start acting like a fool? They angered him. They threatened him with exposure of over 500 buyers and that made Ross angry and he slipped up and let rage make him **allegedly** hire a hit-man.


Often on these forums, people will try to rustle your tail feathers so to speak. Be careful with these people.


Sure, some are just people looking for a fight or seem to think they know everything. Other times it could be LE looking to add on to some profiles. Most recently I noticed it happening to me in a thread. Someone was saying the most ridiculous things to me, and from the beginning I felt it had LE written all over it.


So, I let them know the way I get my MBB's for shipping. Well... I never really. I told them a big pile of bullshit. Shortly after my post I got numerous PM's like 'FUCK DELETE THAT MAN YOU SHOULDNT HAVE SAID IT.' I simply answered them all with, I've been at this for 3 years, do you think I am that stupid as to give something like that away.


If they are to back track my posts (LE of course) they are going to be left fairly confused. Sometimes I have a team of 6, other times 4. Sometimes we/I am an individual. Sometimes I give away clues to as what I look like (but of course it's BS). Maybe I have a pet cat, or a dog. Maybe I have 37 parrots that help me package product.

Occasionaly I like to give away clues about this crews current operation location - of course every single one has been nothing short of a lie.


I am a professional; I am not going to incriminate Hiniguel or anything to do with Hiniguel in anyway in an open forum.


What I am trying to say is keep your cool; these LEO are pros at what they do. They can manipulate you without you even knowing. So, try and stay calm at all times and just try keep this place as safe and don't let LE get what they want.

This is false we see no value in this due to the fact there is so much bullshit that gets thrown around here on these forums it is impossible to sift through the truth from the lies. We prefer to keep our information as reliable as possible and this place is worse than a bunch of drunk fisherman comparing war stories. We seek truth from what we can physically catch you with which is why we waited for Ross to log into his laptop and put a tracker on Nod's car. If we were to profile everyone on this forum it would have as much legal clout as Santa describing how he rapes elves who won't make him toys. We only care about what we can prove because in the eyes of the law that is all that matters. You could tell us you were a Colombian drug lord or the number one pill maker in Europe and we would believe it about as quickly as anyone else here. Learn how we operate hippie!

-Garry

Goodnight Mr Ron Burgundy

[odd666]

Maybe I have 37 parrots that help me package product.

Please teach me your ways

[Hiniguel]

Maybe I have 37 parrots that help me package product.

Please teach me your ways

I may begin selling them on SR. What do you think is a fair price for a product packaging parrot?

[deathowl1990]

Maybe I have 37 parrots that help me package product.

Please teach me your ways

I may begin selling them on SR. What do you think is a fair price for a product packaging parrot?

You would need a packaging parrot to package your packaging parrot.