would u donate little percentage or leftover change towards vendor missing funds

[EuHighz]

as u know, dpr has vanished, and escrow funds are missing.

vendors mostly have processed these orders, shipped items, so they are left without their items and their money!

defcon says they will be repaid at around 2014/may.

there are some honest buyers who are messaging vendors regarding giving them a little compensation/help with the funds missing in escrow.

here is my recommendation:

i recommend to create a donation feature like there is on paypal during checkout. ($1 donations to non-profits)
make a tick for every checkout where the user can opt to donate a percentage or a self-entered amount of btc (or giving the change they have left in their balance) in forward for paying the vendors.
also make that user-selectable if it applies to the vendor who is currently receiving the order, or donated to all vendors site-wise. also if the vendor doesn't have pending escrow left, donate it to the pool of all vendors.
sometimes even leftover change can make a difference, and imagine if it comes from 10-100-1000 customers daily...

also would recommend a per-order disposable btc address like the one was with tormarket. where the leftover change could be donated towards the pool of missing funds

also if dpr comes back with the escrow funds and there are ppl already donated the money can be restored into their balances in no time.

[TheBubbleDreamer]

Yes, I would donate to such a fund, provided it is setup by a trusted party.

[BioGen]

I would also help a vendor out

bg

[Robertb69]

I would with spare coins. I just made a couple donations to Ross's legal defense as well. +1 to OP.

[Whatthefuck420]

Yes.... Staff needs to set a find up.

[wrongersine]

If I hadn't been stitched up several times in the past. Maybe.

Even when shit gets lost in the post, you only get part ships etc from Vendors.

I work in the mail industry and I know how little post goes missing. The percentage of parcels Ive had go missing over the course of my time on SR and SR2 leads me to say their is too many selective posters or too many untrustworthy runners doing the actual posting. So why help now?

Never had a bill not turn up and I get millions of those fuckers. Ordered 5 things last week and one goes missing. Yes of course I want to help......

The escrow could be paid quicker. Every bi-weekly is nonsense. 8% commission on a full days trade on SR2 could pay vendors back daily. Why do we need to wait two weeks. All you have to look at is the feedback on the smack and coke deals to see how much money is changing hands daily.

DPR could connect anywhere. Fuck, if hes in outer space they still have Internet Cafes or hotel wifi where he could use Tor. It would be easy to get an email with the keys or get a message to say, no fucked up, cant get to the keys. Sorry

[TheBubbleDreamer]

Hm, that's not my experience, wrongersine. I once had a package that didn't arrive after 3 weeks. The vendor did a full reshipment. In the end I received both the original and the reshipment (and paid for both, trust goes two ways).

I am sure there are rotten apples and selective scammers, like there are also scamming buyers. But don't put this on the honest vendors, and don't put it on the current admins that DPR is not connecting.

But no problem, the proposed fund is voluntary, and I see your point.

[wrongersine]

I agree. I dont want to be too harsh as I have some good Vendors that I use regularly and never miss a beat. Trouble is the bad times outway the good.

Just look at AlltheRock this week. Used him a few times, in fact I had an order arrive two days before he scammed everyone. That would have been one more on the list.

As much as I would want to be helpful, this is an underworld of drugs and Im not so sure the help would come the other way.

[BioGen]

Check out my new thread guys, im setting up donations of sales to the fund. Lets stick together guys.Anyone who has trusted status PM i will do what i can to help your situation oput in best way i can

BG

[EuHighz]

If I hadn't been stitched up several times in the past. Maybe.

Even when shit gets lost in the post, you only get part ships etc from Vendors.

this works in both ways.
vendor ships item, customer tells item not received and demands for a reship, even though they received the item.
vendors still have to pay for the item loss.
i see your loss, but you have to understand our loss too...that's why vendors offering ~50% reship. that way both u as a customer lose and we lose a bit too.
of course VENDORS have to stay up to date with all stealth so their item won't get seized / lots during transit.
but we are talking about unregistered mail, which the vendors don't have control of.
and i've lost several packages as being a fully legit ebay vendor, so why not have a percentage of calculated loss with drug sales?
i've lost some packages of in-EU sales (no customs, just mail loss/happy mailman using my rivos or gbl). i've reshipped them 100%, without any question. some were returning buyers, who wouldn't lie to me, i guess. and what if they do, getting some low quantity items re-shipped, and both of us are happy, so they stay returning customers!
low quantity have better profit margins for vendors anyway.

[EuHighz]

Check out my new thread guys, im setting up donations of sales to the fund. Lets stick together guys.Anyone who has trusted status PM i will do what i can to help your situation oput in best way i can

BG

i recommend this to be done by defcon!
i've already posted my recommendations that a donation fund to be set by him, with voluntarily donations by buyers during checkout.
i can do the php programming for him.

i wouldn't trust a fund setup by someone, but of course would participate so i can get some percent of my sales back.
i mean, how would someone control how many % u got back, and how many still missing? because btc payments would need to be anonymous...

[wrongersine]

EuHighz, Yes, its a hard situation to be in. Especially with cross border customs and the risk of seizures.

A few vendors I use ship recorded but most wont due to the security.

I wont go into details for obvious reasons but I see up to 500 parcels leave a company a day. Parcels just do not go missing in those dispatches and compared to the losses I have experienced on SR1 and 2 its obvious things are a little dubious with plenty of vendors. Like I said 20% loss last week for me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching as it comes with the territory of buying drugs. But the Vendors, like retailers in the high street need to build into their profit model a percentage of the losses due to thieving bastards or send things recorded. You can quite happily go into a small sub post office without cameras and send an item tracked for another 60p What's the security risk in that?

When I lose £200 on a coke deal that's 3 days wages ive lost not just a bit of profit.

When a drug dealer needs charity, unless we have done some serious flawless business.... Sorry peeps.

[EuHighz]

DPR could connect anywhere. Fuck, if hes in outer space they still have Internet Cafes or hotel wifi where he could use Tor. It would be easy to get an email with the keys or get a message to say, no fucked up, cant get to the keys. Sorry

also, you've said it yourself.
it's not the vendors fault at the moment. of course, they've trusted a site, and an admin, and they are at lucky at least, since their money is not lost, just delayed.
but we are talking with connections to drug lords / cartels here who are not so understanding.
luckily i don't have any money connected to those, since my stock is fully paid. but i do feel for the harder drug vendors who have to be afraid to fall asleep at nights since their money is held in the escrow, in a limbo
since this is a black market / dark net site, NOONE can guarantee that SR will survive until 2014/may. who knows what steps DPR2 fucked up? who knows when they'll find the server? or the escrow server with the BTC in it? who knows when we'll get hacked?
noone can guarantee anything.

and this would be only for those willing to participate, not mandatory..

[Supersaurus]

Yeah I've got spare coin, I'd throw in

[BioGen]

Just trying to help out mate. I feel you pain i really hope you get back on your feet!

As long as sales go as well as expected mate,  i will donate more as sales come in that is a fact

BG

Check out my new thread guys, im setting up donations of sales to the fund. Lets stick together guys.Anyone who has trusted status PM i will do what i can to help your situation oput in best way i can

BG

i recommend this to be done by defcon!
i've already posted my recommendations that a donation fund to be set by him, with voluntarily donations by buyers during checkout.
i can do the php programming for him.

i wouldn't trust a fund setup by someone, but of course would participate so i can get some percent of my sales back.
i mean, how would someone control how many % u got back, and how many still missing? because btc payments would need to be anonymous...

[EuHighz]

EuHighz, Yes, its a hard situation to be in. Especially with cross border customs and the risk of seizures.

A few vendors I use ship recorded but most wont due to the security.

I wont go into details for obvious reasons but I see up to 500 parcels leave a company a day. Parcels just do not go missing in those dispatches and compared to the losses I have experienced on SR1 and 2 its obvious things are a little dubious with plenty of vendors. Like I said 20% loss last week for me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching as it comes with the territory of buying drugs. But the Vendors, like retailers in the high street need to build into their profit model a percentage of the losses due to thieving bastards or send things recorded. You can quite happily go into a small sub post office without cameras and send an item tracked for another 60p What's the security risk in that?

When I lose £200 on a coke deal that's 3 days wages ive lost not just a bit of profit.

When a drug dealer needs charity, unless we have done some serious flawless business.... Sorry peeps.

in hungary registered mail would cost 2GBP / 3.3USD.
but it's not regarding the cost.

it's buyers AND vendor's security. mostly for buyers. since you have to sign for a registered / tracked package. as a vendor it's mostly safe to send a package, easy to find post offices without cameras as u said. or here in HU we can get registered labels without even going to the post office!
I'm happy to ship a registered mail to anyone if they tell me to do so, even with the same cost with my regular packages. BUT you have to sign!!!
and there are lots of buyers don't want to take that risk! even if i'd be a buyer, i wouldn't want to take that risk! not even for high value purchases!
my freedom is not worth £200. or £2000... or any. i'm taking a risk with drug buying here. if i don't receive them, i'm dropping off my 50% and i request a refund & order from a different vendor.
even if the previous vendor were selective shipping/scamming.
this way i'd know if i have to sign for a package it would be controlled delivery, so i don't sign for it / refuse to accept the package.

[wrongersine]

I see your point, but im pretty sure in the UK if its coming to you at your house. Signed or not, I'm not so sure a court Judge would care. Its got your name on it. You can also sign for a parcel for other people at the address.

At the same time, you wouldnt even end up in court for a few grams of personal or a bit of weed. I got caught with half oz in my house and all I got was a letter in the post. Dont be a naughty boy again!

I need to look at your listing mate, sounds like your on the ball.

[Mone4them]

I doubt that I would be willing to participate in such a fund. I wish the best for all the vendors who have lost out during this fiasco, but in the current climate I would be hesitant to give any coin to anyone other than the vendors I am choosing to do business with. I hope that the site recover from all of this, and that all vendors who are owed get repaid, but I dont feel like anyone should be putting themselves out more than we already are. However, I do think that providing such an option for people whom do wish to risk / sacrifice additional funds in the hopes that their vendors can get squared away faster should be available.

IMO Id rather get in touch with my vendors who have lost out on this and send them some coin directly OR even better just buy something from them from a No Escrow listing.

[EuHighz]

I see your point, but im pretty sure in the UK if its coming to you at your house. Signed or not, I'm not so sure a court Judge would care. Its got your name on it. You can also sign for a parcel for other people at the address.

At the same time, you wouldnt even end up in court for a few grams of personal or a bit of weed. I got caught with half house in my house and all I got was a letter in the post. Dont be a naughty boy again!

I need to look at your listing mate, sounds like your on the ball.

u can always defend with: ur not the receiver...
in hungary they (postal service) give everything to u also, even with a signature. even though its sent for bill gates / steve jobs.
and this ran down for me this way: one time a courier company controlled deliver me a contraband (not drugs, and this happened a long time ago). i played out that it's not for me, and i'd have to deliver it to the owner who i arrange delivery with using an IM service after it's signed for.
they did a controlled communication with the IM delivery and looking for the buyer. of course they didn't find the buyer
got a suspended sentence
everything can play out good for u:) but u have to be really careful.
as they tell it in sections on these forums. u accept a delivery, even signed for or not, u write a RETURN TO SENDER to the mail, wait for some days. and only open package after that time.
this will not cancel your sentence, but help with defense.

[lookingout4u]

Maybe affected vendors could put up a donation/FE only listing for a dollar or so.

[EuHighz]

Maybe affected vendors could put up a donation/FE only listing for a dollar or so.

yes, thats a nice idea:) ill do this soon
but the best idea would be controlled accepting of donations.
only accepting that much what a vendor has lost. and if a buyer willing to donate more, it should be split with the other vendors who lost

[Munson]

Putting a percentage of the new vendor fees towards this would be a good idea. Especially since it just went up. That money could be replaced at a later date and wouldn't hurt anyone near as much.

[dreadknot]

This is a good cause that I think most will be good with or pleased to help. Vendors- without you guys there is no us.

[aes256]

"would u donate little percentage or leftover change towards vendor missing funds" - would I fuck.

I got scammed a good few hundred brick off them czech twats just before sheep went rogue, I don't see anyone rushing to get me some money back.

Also in the 20+ years I've been doing drugs I have met one, maybe two dealers that have not been total low lifes, the rest I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.  They serve a purpose, nothing else.  I expect the majority of vendors on here are no different, its only a blessing that I don't have to deal with them in person.

If I got back all the money I've been scammed for over the years then maybe I'd have a bit of sympathy for them, until then... fuck em.

oooooo, the poor little vendors have lost a bit of coin.  Tough shit mate.

Like someone else said on one of these forums - "its about drugs and money" - nothing else, forget all this crap about ideals and free speech etc.

It will be a fucking cold day in hell before I'm giving my hard earned cash over to a smack dealer - as charity. 

Fuck that, I'd rather give it to the Red Cross.

[Santa]

DPR has the escrow funds. He could log on and give it back, but hes not. why should we make up for it

[WickedWords]

Sure, I would... but I don't actually buy off the market, so it wouldn't really be possible.

But remember too folks, that it's not just vendors getting buttfucked by this news, there are also most likely cancelled orders meaning there will also be buyers sat with frozen funds.

I agree that it will affect vendors the most though, as some of them will need these funds to keep business going smoothly.

[Fluffhead!]

I've been dealing with my vendors outside of escrow, luckily. Im hoping their other customers have been doing the same.  I never once did a deal outside of escrow on SR1, but I have exclusively been doing it in Sr2 with trusted vendors

[HonoluluExpress]

If I had the money to spare I would donate enough money needed to get all the vendors paid. However I would be willing to donate a little bit if they ever begin to accept donations.

[Cloquet]

Most everyone who has used these markets has lost something, will we be starting a fund for buyers who got ripped off?

I doubt it!

I pay for my orders, that's all anyone is getting. Do good business and you'll make it, if you can't handle the losses you go out of business.

[Vitruvian Man]

"would u donate a little percentage..."

hum good question -

Would SR be willing to waive their Coke & Smak commission for a few days in order to pay back vendors for their obvious escrow scam?

lol - this marketplace is a joke!

[dreadknot]

 Vendors by far have the most to lose to here and the highest probability of losing it. I am not vendor, and very thankful i dont have to go through all stuff they have recently. If i was a vendor i dont know i would of been able to stick through all the crap, yet here they are. I dont consider the majority of vendors here the equivalent of street lvl dealers that can't type ten words a minute. Most here offer a level of service you couldnt find unless drugs were completely legal. All im saying is we should be very grateful someone is offering the service we seek at reasonable prices and try to use some empathy. I would give to this cause, and if you wouldnt thats  fine but dont go spreading ignorance to justify you reasoning

[EuHighz]

Vendors by far have the most to lose to here and the highest probability of losing it. I am not vendor, and very thankful i dont have to go through all stuff they have recently. If i was a vendor i dont know i would of been able to stick through all the crap, yet here they are. I dont consider the majority of vendors here the equivalent of street lvl dealers that can't type ten words a minute. Most here offer a level of service you couldnt find unless drugs were completely legal. All im saying is we should be very grateful someone is offering the service we seek at reasonable prices and try to use some empathy. I would give to this cause, and if you wouldnt thats  fine but dont go spreading ignorance to justify you reasoning

well said dreadknot.

i feel for the buyers who lost. nobody stops them to start a donation fund, so i'm not sure why they are so negative.

also I send bonuses for the buyers who didn't get their products due to sheep or tormarket scam! they just have to let me know they had an order pending there.
of course it's not the original amount they've bought, but since I never got their funds it should be counted as a positive gesture from my side...

these dark-market sites are becoming more and more hassle for both vendors and buyers. but we still stand strong!

[Munson]

Putting a percentage of the new vendor fees towards this would be a good idea. Especially since it just went up. That money could be replaced at a later date and wouldn't hurt anyone near as much.

I guess this would make too much sense....

[Kooch]

Yes, I would.

[EuHighz]

"would u donate a little percentage..."

hum good question -

Would SR be willing to waive their Coke & Smak commission for a few days in order to pay back vendors for their obvious escrow scam?

lol - this marketplace is a joke!

they are putting ALL of their commission for repayment.
---
here is Defcon's announcement:

For every two weeks that pass, we will split our market commission earnings between all users with Pending Wallets until everyone is completely repaid. Vendors and Buyers will receive payouts on the 1st and 15th of each month, starting January 15th.

In the worst-case scenario of DPR not returning, ALL coins will be returned by no later than May 1st, 2014. Until ALL coins are made available once more, ALL staff (myself included) have agreed to forfeit all compensation and commission they would normally receive, instead choosing to offer their salaries back to the community for as long as it takes for all users to receive access to the coins in their Pending Wallets.
---

[Vitruvian Man]

Just so that I understand correctly -

SR is claiming that it will take them up to 4 months to repay users for 7 days BTC which they 'ahem' lost from the escrow?

But don't worry, they say they'll work for free for the next 4 months and donate their wages too??

             humm - surely there's nobody stupid enough to actually fall for this obvious scam, right?    RIGHT?

Obvious scam is OBVIOUS

SR2 has been an endless stream of bullshit since day 1 -

Fake DDOS attacks used to recruit botnets and coders in order to attack other markets and hijack the TOR network.
Fake forum posts used to reinforce mis-information and obvious BS from the admins.
Fake drama to entertain users long enough to keep them from spending their BTC elsewhere.

The list (and drama) goes on.... I admire the high quality of social engineering, but it doesn't change a thing - SR2 has become the exact opposite of what Ross set out to achieve.
It's rotten right through to the core, and the scams & bullshit will never end. Just wait for a couple of weeks until the next scam, and watch how the community shouts and screams in defense of their 'great and noble' libertarian marketplace.....

The saddest part is that most of the gullible fools on this forum & marketplace are so desperate to 'believe', that they'll just ignore facts and continue to defend these shameless scammers........
                                                         
                                                               Like Sheep to the slaughter

[James Frazer]

The saddest part is that most of the gullible fools on this forum & marketplace are so desperate to 'believe', that they'll just ignore facts and continue to defend these shameless scammers........

I think you are being a little harsh on the average forum member V-Man. Though it has to be admitted, if DPR said the moon was made of cheese, it would no doubt be followed up by a poll as to what sort of cheese.

[Herby]

fuckin jews

[Tommy Hilfiger]

So wait, what happened with Tor Market ?

[aes256]

I'm with Vitruvian Man on this, this entire setup - not just SR but all of them just stink of a con.  I wouldn't be surprised if every marketplace is run by the same people as sheep.  Say what you will but that was one brilliant executed scam, I myself lost 300 quid on that one.

It's just a licence to print money, set up marketplace, once you have the base code written its a simple job to just tweak around the UI to make it look and feel different.  Scam a few, collect the commission off the others.  The money keeps trickling in from the commision, big payouts on the exit scams.  As one market closes two more open, users flock to them.  The vendors get charged another fee to vend.  Rinse, repeat.

This escrow scam that SR are currently pulling is either - a straight out scam, or you will get your money back, however, I have a feeling that this is more of an excercise to build the trust of the user base.  I think this missing escrow money will be paid back...  paving the way for an even bigger scam down the line.

This new SR seem to be having a lot of problems, that they appear to be doing their best to fix.  A wolf in sheeps clothing me thinks.

But at the end of the day, who the fuck looses a password to a wallet containing (probably) millions.  Come on, this isn't someones grandma were talking about here,  these people are supposed to be IT literate and running a business.  This is not something that should go missing, under any curcumstance.

Forgot/lost/password been stolen/someone else has it and we dont have access to it - my arse.  The admins themselves have already said that they are in contact with dpr. 

This whole affair has massive on going scam written all over it.

[EuHighz]

The saddest part is that most of the gullible fools on this forum & marketplace are so desperate to 'believe', that they'll just ignore facts and continue to defend these shameless scammers........

the problem with this is that we are vendors. we are trusting the site owners with escrow funds (or requesting FE for lots less of puchases). we have to 'believe' or else stop vending, but none of us would like to go back to real life work or real life vending.

a nice solution to this escrow stolen funds shit is that the buyer would send the funds to a "brain wallet" or some password protected wallet with password set by the buyer & a random hash, encrypted with the seller's pgp key somehow, so the buyer wouldn't be able to decrypt the wallet. then when the user finalizes the order the private password instantly sent to the vendor, who would be able to decrypt the wallet and use the funds.

i don't see any reason why the site owner's should hold so much in escrow, since lot of LEOs looking for them, and also hackers, and count in the extreme temptation with stealing the millions in escrow funds... too many point of failures

[EL PACINO]

Charity in business. The first time in business. There is always a risk factor in doing business. Instead of charity would propose an Insurance cover for those wanting to benefit from reimbursement in case of natural catastrophe.  Share the risk and make the money. Somebody canset p this insurance company cover mine is the idea,  DEFCON propose the payment by May 2014. Why not create this insurance cover funding for the next attack and make sure it works for vendors from day 1. just letting my thoughts go...............

[becks2013]

a nice solution to this escrow stolen funds shit is that the buyer would send the funds to a "brain wallet" or some password protected wallet with password set by the buyer & a random hash, encrypted with the seller's pgp key somehow, so the buyer wouldn't be able to decrypt the wallet. then when the user finalizes the order the private password instantly sent to the vendor, who would be able to decrypt the wallet and use the funds.

Wonderful idea.

[EuHighz]

Charity in business. The first time in business. There is always a risk factor in doing business. Instead of charity would propose an Insurance cover for those wanting to benefit from reimbursement in case of natural catastrophe.  Share the risk and make the money. Somebody canset p this insurance company cover mine is the idea,  DEFCON propose the payment by May 2014. Why not create this insurance cover funding for the next attack and make sure it works for vendors from day 1. just letting my thoughts go...............

insurance companies make money with a calculated risk, and mostly they don't have to pay since no problems arise. that's how they can send a payment for someone who has problems.
but with this kind of businesses it's almost sure they would have to pay sooner or later. so it wouldn't be worth it, since they have to pay sometimes.

[TandyLanory]

I'm sorry if this seems harsh, as I have a lot of respect for the work that vendors do, but come on... Some of these guys are picking up tens of thousands of dollars sat at their computer and walking to the post box. Being a vendor is an extremely lucrative job, the rewards for being successful vendor on here are well worth the risks they take.

They all make a lot of money, and so they should, unfortunately this is one of the many risks they take when they become an online deep web vendor, to expect customers to give them even more money than we already do when things go wrong is a little bit absurd in my opinion.

[LeapOfFaith]

No cause their prices are way to high for me to order anyting to begin with.