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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: redtide on August 21, 2011, 11:30 pm
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This really crosses the line.
It's begging for hard core response.
http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/4591
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Now I suppose we will hear all about how everyone needs explosives to protect their family and how the constitution guarantees every American a pound of c4. And explosives don't kill people etc. Seriously someone explain how this doesn't draw undue attention?
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You just noticed the ad? It was one of the first things I saw when I first joined a month and a half ago.
I do agree though, if anything is going to get LE to try and track someone down, it's guns and explosives.
I could see them ordering something, then trying to backtrack the order in order to figure out where it was sent from, then try and narrow it down.
He lists PETN, which is the stuff the shoe bomber was using and that guy who only managed to burn his underwear.
I'm all for free information, books and stuff, but sending explosives through the mail does seem a little extreme to me. I can just see some disgruntled kid ordering up some of this stuff and blowing up his principal then hearing on the news that they checked his computer and found out he had ordered the stuff from SR.
That would go over well, don't you think. :-\
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METH- MOTHERF****RS!!! I found it here. Do you know what that stuff does to a person? It's horrible!! Your teeth, skin, internal organs all go to crap. BUT people still want and do it. NO MATTER the consequences. Insane.
DMT- HOLY SH*T!! I found that here to! OMG. DO you understand what that is and does to your body in the long term? Nasty stuff!
PSYCHEDELICS- AGAIN!!! Come on now!! Everyone knows that these are dangerous! YOU COULD go insane after just one use!!! TRUE! COULD!!
And now EXPLOSIVES...... SO what?
Sounds ridiculous to me.
ALL KINDS OF "DANGEROUS" THINGS ARE HERE. People are going to do what they want regardless of age. Now someone is offering explosives. WHO CARES!!! Don't buy it then. Or buy it and take it off the market. Feed the beast, I don't care. It is just like the outrageous examples above. CONTRABAND! Nothing more, nothing less.
It's just not for you. Let others be. I don't like meth or cocaine. But I am not crusading against them. Let um go. Do you drug of choice and be free. Buy whatever you'd like and be free, as long as you ain't buying from LE. Do what'cha like.
LE wants to shut us down for ANY number of reasons. Some stated above. Guns and explosives are not going to change much if anything. AND YES, I do believe in the constitution it states that every natural born American citizen gets a gun, box of ammo, and a pound of C4. I am sure it's in there somewhere.
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METH- MOTHERF****RS!!! I found it here. Do you know what that stuff does to a person? It's horrible!! Your teeth, skin, internal organs all go to crap. BUT people still want and do it. NO MATTER the consequences. Insane.
DMT- HOLY SH*T!! I found that here to! OMG. DO you understand what that is and does to your body in the long term? Nasty stuff!
PSYCHEDELICS- AGAIN!!! Come on now!! Everyone knows that these are dangerous! YOU COULD go insane after just one use!!! TRUE! COULD!!
And now EXPLOSIVES...... SO what?
Sounds ridiculous to me.
ALL KINDS OF "DANGEROUS" THINGS ARE HERE. People are going to do what they want regardless of age. Now someone is offering explosives. WHO CARES!!! Don't buy it then. Or buy it and take it off the market. Feed the beast, I don't care. It is just like the outrageous examples above. CONTRABAND! Nothing more, nothing less.
It's just not for you. Let others be. I don't like meth or cocaine. But I am not crusading against them. Let um go. Do you drug of choice and be free. Buy whatever you'd like and be free, as long as you ain't buying from LE. Do what'cha like.
LE wants to shut us down for ANY number of reasons. Some stated above. Guns and explosives are not going to change much if anything. AND YES, I do believe in the constitution it states that every natural born American citizen gets a gun, box of ammo, and a pound of C4. I am sure it's in there somewhere.
Meth=self inflicted.
Explosives= most likely used to harm another.
I don't agree with it and I'm saying so. :D
This IS a community.
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In the seller's guide, it lists "weapons of mass destruction (chemical/bio weaponry, nukes, and anything used to make them)" as restricted items. I wonder if explosives fall into that category?
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somehow I doubt it will be hard for LE to get him, if his goods were really used in an attack. he risks himself, not SR, and even gives SR publicity just by listing his stuff here
the availability of it here doesn't promote terrorism imho
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somehow I doubt it will be hard for LE to get him, if his goods were really used in an attack. he risks himself, not SR, and even gives SR publicity just by listing his stuff here
the availability of it here doesn't promote terrorism imho
There will never be a better justification for bringing the NSA's resource to bear on taking apart tor than
national security. I can't believe you don't see that. And aside from that, selling explosives is giving people the
opportunity to commit horrific violence. Why would we want to aid that? By ignoring it, we're agreeing to it.
I don't agree.
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@Mrddro- you said "DMT- HOLY SH*T!! I found that here to! OMG. DO you understand what that is and does to your body in the long term? Nasty stuff!''
hope that was a joke dmt doesnt do anything to your body in the long term.
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somehow I doubt it will be hard for LE to get him, if his goods were really used in an attack. he risks himself, not SR, and even gives SR publicity just by listing his stuff here
the availability of it here doesn't promote terrorism imho
It doesn't promote terrorism, but good luck convincing the average Joe watching his news channel. Honestly what the fuck else would you need explosives for other than causing someone or something harm?? It isn't like a gun where you just go out in the woods and target practice for fun, it's a fucking explosive dude...If the mods are reading this thread, and if they stick by their sellers guide rules then this guy should be removed ASAP. Unlike in the real world where ''all publicity is good publicity'', the same does not hold for underground business! THE WHOLE POINT OF SR AND TOR IS BEING ANONYMOUS, why the fuck would you want more publicity on SR? Wow, use your brains people.
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I can just see some disgruntled kid ordering up some of this stuff and blowing up his principal then hearing on the news that they checked his computer and found out he had ordered the stuff from SR.
With all due respect, this sounds to me like bullshit government scare tactics.
Think of the children!!!
Blowing shit up does not necessarily equal mass murder,
and could be used as a legitimate form of protest.
With discretion obviously, to avoid civilian casualties.
And it says on the listing that he doesn't offer TCAP, which (I think?) is a terrorist favourite.
As for governments trying to shut us down - as someone on another thread so eloquently put... Fuck them.
I hope, though, that the seller of these wares would be discriminate about who he sells to, and maybe ask for just a few words about the intended use/target...
After all, no healthy human would ever want the blood of innocents on their hands...
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@MrDdroMcGillacutty
I agree with almost everything you say. I believe people should have the freedom to buy, own and use just about anything their little hearts desire. In the end it makes no difference to me what this guy sells. I was simply making an observation.
If you think the landed homies in the US look at someone selling a couple of ounces of pot and someone selling a pound of PETN the same, I think you are mistaken.
As mentioned in the Sellers Guide (as someone has already posted):
Please do not list anything who's purpose is to harm or defraud, such as stolen credit cards, counterfeit currency, personal info, assassinations, and weapons of mass destruction (chemical/bio weaponry, nukes, and anything used to make them).
Please do not list anything related to pedophelia.
Practically speaking, there are many powerful adversaries of Silk Road and if we are to survive, we must not take them all on at once. Additionally, if you try to please everyone, you will wind up pleasing no one. So certain things are restricted just so we don't scare too many off.
On a moral level, we take the high road, pun intended ;). Those who seek to control the behavior of their neighbors through force are immoral. Silk Road exists to circumvent that force and provide a safe-haven where civilized people can come together in peace for mutual benefit. To allow listings of items designed to defraud or harm innocent people would be to stoop to the level of the very people we are standing up to.
If you are unsure about a listing, just drop us a line and we'll let you know.
A couple of months ago when this hit the news:
Two U.S. senators said Sunday they will ask federal authorities to crack down on a secretive narcotics market operated on the Internet with anonymous sales and untraceable currency.
Heroin, cocaine and methamphetamines are among the drugs being sold in the well-protected website apparently operating for just a few months.
Sens. Charles Schumer of New York and Joe Manchin of West Virginia, both Democrats, said they asked the Justice Department and Drug Enforcement Administration to shut down and investigate the website, often referred to as the Silk Road after an ancient Asian trade route.
"This audacious website should be shut down immediately," Manchin said.
There was a big kerfuffle for a while and then it just started to fade away. People are always hearing about some big drug bust or something else related to drugs. It's old news. Sure LE wants to stop it, but they have lots of other things on their plates, so I imagine unless someone on the inside comes right out and helps them, it will just sit on the back burner.
But what if those Senators had said something along the lines of SR being a site where home grown terrorists can buy explosives and books on how to make them, totally anonymously? I tend to think that might get a bigger response.
Maybe it will, maybe it wont. In the end it's no skin off my nose who sells what on SR.
Simply making the observation, exactly as SR did in their sellers guide, that the more adversaries you have, the more likely you are to get hit.
But this guy has been around for awhile and SR hasn't done anything, which I assume means they are OK with it. So although I will make the observation that I believe selling explosives increases overall risk to SR, it is SR's call, not ours, and I will go with the flow. It isn't increasing my risk, that's the same no matter who sells what.
Hopefully I don't live next door to the disgruntled teenager who buys that pound of PETN. ;)
I just want SR to keep going for as long as possible.
Amen
:D
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somehow I doubt it will be hard for LE to get him, if his goods were really used in an attack. he risks himself, not SR, and even gives SR publicity just by listing his stuff here
the availability of it here doesn't promote terrorism imho
There will never be a better justification for bringing the NSA's resource to bear on taking apart tor than
national security. I can't believe you don't see that. And aside from that, selling explosives is giving people the
opportunity to commit horrific violence. Why would we want to aid that? By ignoring it, we're agreeing to it.
I don't agree.
What I meant was... if that seller is real, and sells significant quantities of explosives, it's likely LE will catch him anyway (just look at the latest Norwegian shooter - he WAS on LE's radar after he bought fertilizers, and he was a farmer!). This has nothing to do with SR really since SR isn't related to the sellers and only provides the marketplace and the insurance for the transactions and can't control what's being sold.
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somehow I doubt it will be hard for LE to get him, if his goods were really used in an attack. he risks himself, not SR, and even gives SR publicity just by listing his stuff here
the availability of it here doesn't promote terrorism imho
There will never be a better justification for bringing the NSA's resource to bear on taking apart tor than
national security. I can't believe you don't see that. And aside from that, selling explosives is giving people the
opportunity to commit horrific violence. Why would we want to aid that? By ignoring it, we're agreeing to it.
I don't agree.
What I meant was... if that seller is real, and sells significant quantities of explosives, it's likely LE will catch him anyway (just look at the latest Norwegian shooter - he WAS on LE's radar after he bought fertilizers, and he was a farmer!). This has nothing to do with SR really since SR isn't related to the sellers and only provides the marketplace and the insurance for the transactions and can't control what's being sold.
read my post. I didn't say SR. I said tor. And they CAN control what's sold on here.
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Jeeze! Where do I start?
Yes, explosives. What kind of childhood did you have? Didn't you ever tear apart "safe and sane" Piccoclo Peats (fast burning) and cram it into a container, wrap it in layers of tape and blow it up? If not that's a damn shame.
Blowing shit up is fun, as long as you are smart about it and no one gets hurt.
A small amount of C4 is a nice way to completely destroy a computer in a hurry when the raid is coming too. I'll bet SR has his servers packed with the stuff. I hope anyone with my info does.
As for LE wanting to stop us? What, are you fucking numb? Do you know how government budgets are determined and maintained? It's not in their interest to pinch a guy here or there (unless they have personal reasons or are baiting for bigger fish) and it sure doesn't pay to show that all they need are a few really good nerds and not teams of guys in full SWAT gear.
If they want to stop traffic they could just put a cop on the busiest dealing corners. Instead they witness crime after crime for months until they can bust in the wrong door in the middle of the night, shoot the family dog and finally kill an innocent but confused man who instinctively makes moves to protect his family, all while the real dealers next door are quietly leaving.
The C4 add probably IS LE fishing for "terrorists". The package probably comes with 101 reasons to hate the US and a map of likely targets.
If they "instruct" private gun dealers to sell arms to Mexican gangs, guns whose intentions and probable uses are well known, they can and will do just about anything.
All to maintain the War on Budget Reduction"...errr I mean the "War on falling prices of the Intelligence Communities primary black op funding goods".......No, I remember:
The War on Drugs! Yeah that's it.
And your not in a "community" here. You are a guest of SR on his private property. If you don't like, leave. Hang YOUR balls out there and compete with him. I'll bet he'd even share his business model and techniques with you. He seems like the sort who knows what damage patents and monopoly do to society.
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Jeeze! Where do I start?
Yes, explosives. What kind of childhood did you have? Didn't you ever tear apart "safe and sane" Piccoclo Peats (fast burning) and cram it into a container, wrap it in layers of tape and blow it up? If not that's a damn shame.
Blowing shit up is fun, as long as you are smart about it and no one gets hurt.
A small amount of C4 is a nice way to completely destroy a computer in a hurry when the raid is coming too. I'll bet SR has his servers packed with the stuff. I hope anyone with my info does.
As for LE wanting to stop us? What, are you fucking numb? Do you know how government budgets are determined and maintained? It's not in their interest to pinch a guy here or there (unless they have personal reasons or are baiting for bigger fish) and it sure doesn't pay to show that all they need are a few really good nerds and not teams of guys in full SWAT gear.
If they want to stop traffic they could just put a cop on the busiest dealing corners. Instead they witness crime after crime for months until they can bust in the wrong door in the middle of the night, shoot the family dog and finally kill an innocent but confused man who instinctively makes moves to protect his family, all while the real dealers next door are quietly leaving.
The C4 add probably IS LE fishing for "terrorists". The package probably comes with 101 reasons to hate the US and a map of likely targets.
If they "instruct" private gun dealers to sell arms to Mexican gangs, guns whose intentions and probable uses are well known, they can and will do just about anything.
All to maintain the War on Budget Reduction"...errr I mean the "War on falling prices of the Intelligence Communities primary black op funding goods".......No, I remember:
The War on Drugs! Yeah that's it.
And your not in a "community" here. You are a guest of SR on his private property. If you don't like, leave. Hang YOUR balls out there and compete with him. I'll bet he'd even share his business model and techniques with you. He seems like the sort who knows what damage patents and monopoly do to society.
nice. you're shadow boxing, friend.
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NO explosives. Geez what's next? No guns or weapons on SR. Please.
I sell chemical A,B,and D. And COMPOUND #3 and #5. No problem. Now if you add chemical C from another seller, now you have a very volatile substance that does great harm. Should SR ban ALL THOSE chemicals and compounds? How about the sellers themselves? Ban them? How about parts? Gun parts. Not a functioning gun, just parts. Suppressors, springs, barrels, ect. Ban those too, huh?
How about everyone mind there own business and take care of themselves. Worry about yourself
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NO explosives. Geez what's next? No guns or weapons on SR. Please.
I sell chemical A,B,and D. And COMPOUND #3 and #5. No problem. Now if you add chemical C from another seller, now you have a very volatile substance that does great harm. Should SR ban ALL THOSE chemicals and compounds? How about the sellers themselves? Ban them? How about parts? Gun parts. Not a functioning gun, just parts. Suppressors, springs, barrels, ect. Ban those too, huh?
How about everyone mind there own business and take care of themselves. Worry about yourself
+1
bp you buggin out man smoke a bowl
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I amazes me how everyone start talking like a hard-ass or telling me to mind my own business.
If that's your best response, then it's weak.
BTC Freedom- (the only reasoned response so far) I think it's about intent. If the intent
is to sell explosive components, then I object. I know everyone loves this wild west fantasy.
But the consequences of this stuff are tragic and immutable.
I don't believe in contributing to violence in the world. It's ethics.
What if I were to list for sale the shipping info of buyers? would that be OK too? Anything goes right?
We all have our vices here. But do we really want to say that everything is acceptable?
and BTW some of you are arguing for things that are against the Seller's Guide.
Take them somewhere else.
You could start an SR knock off called Gats & Grenades.
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Gats and Grenades. I love it. Almost as much as selling buyers info. Great stuff. Really. I simply do not have a problem with explosives, guns, chemicals, assorted drugs (hard or soft), or whatever else ya got for sale. Don't lecture me about morals OR ethics. Everyone is different. I think we all can at least agreed that selling buyer info is wrong. Ya gotta draw the line somewhere, lol. Ya7
You want to ban something? Start with LE and scammers. We weed them out, next it's the stupid people.
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Bull shite.
Ive seen this sellers stuff, pretty quickly transitioned from selling high explosives and lab consultancy to rip offs of pergamon press ebooks which so far have been his only sales. My guess is it's LE sitting on this, putting up media-outrage inducing 'sales', or typical 14 year old nerd who's spent too much time on totse. be interesting to order some PETN and wait for the bullshit delays and excuses.
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+ 1 MrDdroMcGillacutty, on point
I can't believe we're actually having this discussion.
Tonight At 11
When Drugs Aren't Enough
Explosives : Some People Just Wanna Get Blown Out The Box
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on gizmodo last week
http://gizmodo.com/5831942/how-the-hell-did-a-17+year+old-get-the-materials-to-make-bombs
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"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." ~Hunter S. Thompson
"SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY AND MINE LIKE A BOSS." ~btcfreedom : repeated by MrDdroMcGillacutty
Sound familiar? It's all about personal choice. Just because you can do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should do it. It's a freedom/personal choice thing. Don't be stupid. Don't buy those HOT items.
Let LE and scammers sell whatever, ask for loans, or some weird or complicated scheme to find my true identity or part me with my BTC. Mostly dumb and some desperate folks will get caught. Unfortunate. Soon nobody would dare buy those items because of the consequences. And they all fade away. The dumb, desperate, truly bad seeds, the weapons section, and LE. They will all move on to something else or fade away. Only the strong survive. Heart and mind.
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"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." ~Hunter S. Thompson
"SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY AND MINE LIKE A BOSS." ~btcfreedom : repeated by MrDdroMcGillacutty
Sound familiar? It's all about personal choice. Just because you can do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should do it. It's a freedom/personal choice thing.
+1 again Dro....
stay high
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on gizmodo last week
http://gizmodo.com/5831942/how-the-hell-did-a-17+year+old-get-the-materials-to-make-bombs
Where do you get material for explosives? I dunno, maybe you can get blackpowder from gun stores, or maybe you can get large amounts of manure from a farm since that acts as a natural explosive when confined to a small space.
The only solution is to ban cows from shitting. Think of the children!!!
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explosives really?? drugs are a choice made by an adult. explosives are used by the lowest of mankind to kill innocent people.look at ireland they have had towns and citys blown up killing unborn children etc. this should not be going down in my view. people should be free to do as they wish as long as it doesnt harm others. explosives what possible reason would you need these for apart from murder?? if you need them for industry you are aloud to buy them nways.
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I would like some explosives just to blow up some stuff for fun somewhere outside of town. Or say I am shooting some amateur short movie and want some realistic special effects. Also I will need some gunpowder to shoot diy rockets, cannon balls etc. May be some explosives to demolish some 100 years old mining tunnel because I don't want my children to get lost in it. May be I am geeky in a way I want to have some explosives just as a collection. Or say I want to commit suicide and somehow drugs are not my choise. I will not blow anyone else except me, I swear. If you ask, I can give another dozen of ways to use explosives with no harm to people. So don't fucking decide what I may do and what I may not.
Cheers =]
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I would like some explosives just to blow up some stuff for fun somewhere outside of town. Or say I am shooting some amateur short movie and want some realistic special effects. Also I will need some gunpowder to shoot diy rockets, cannon balls etc. May be some explosives to demolish some 100 years old mining tunnel because I don't want my children to get lost in it. May be I am geeky in a way I want to have some explosives just as a collection. Or say I want to commit suicide and somehow drugs are not my choise. I will not blow anyone else except me, I swear. If you ask, I can give another dozen of ways to use explosives with no harm to people. So don't fucking decide what I may do and what I may not.
Cheers =]
really mining tunnel ? thats totally bullshit there. is it ur tunnel? u can legally get explosives for industrial reasons mining being the main. shooting film for what propaganda? all go at your do as you please and all but if u have access to it so does ur enemies,crazy ex partners etc etc . if your kid got blown up in a bomb like many people have in northern ireland you not be so pleased at who has explosives. no dought u be the first person demanding justice from the state. should child porn also be aloud then on sr???? do as u please and all mab sell people etc.wake up dude
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This guy rocks...SR and those of us with reason and understanding welcomes you.
When I was 7 yrs old I would take Estes Rocket engines and grind then to dust and pack the powder into old C02 canisters and add a bit of canon fuse. I was a born pyro from then on...
Now, in an age of viral politics, endless wars and crime perpetrated by the U.S., with a criminal justice system that prays on the innocent....a guy like “warweed(94)” is a saint. I know I am not the only one out there who is sick of the oppression, sick of the police, sick of AMERICA. May the knowledge provided by “warweed(94)” cause cop cars to explode throughout the cities of America and Europe. May the knowledge provided by “warweed(94)” bring about the sudden demise of corporate giants in the Capitalist world. May the knowledge provided by “warweed(94)” light the fires of resistance against everything appreciated and loved by the global oppressors.
Thank you “warweed(94)”
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Lot's of really good points for both sides here!
Although,
in the end,
it's a free market.
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I would like some explosives. I want to fill in that damn well Timmy keeps falling into. Good thing he doesn't go anywhere w/o that dog, Lassie. Also there is a cave/tunnel entrance I'd like to fill in. Keeps trespassers off the property. I could also use explosives for fishing. And yes, make a propaganda movie. Basic premise is that LE sucks and I am right. Sounds good doesn't it? ;)
I'd like a deal. Buy a gun get some explosives free? Or vice versa.
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I'd like a deal. Buy a gun get some explosives free? Or vice versa.
Count me in!
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Now I suppose we will hear all about how everyone needs explosives to protect their family and how the constitution guarantees every American a pound of c4. And explosives don't kill people etc. Seriously someone explain how this doesn't draw undue attention?
And tons upon tons of opioids, cocaine, pot, script pills, etc. doesn't?
Agenda politics of a hypocrite ignoring reality... Try to remember that your personal hate-mongering is not the ruler by which LE decides to apply itself... Thinking that your beliefs on the topic in any way influence LE actions shows how ignorant, hateful, and selfish you are.
If it's illegal, it's their job to come and get it. I see SR approaching 800 listings for illegal drugs. I see one gun listing. I see one explosive listing. Get over yourself.
Repeating "surely this will bring more pressure" just because you believe one is worse than the other, does not mean LE subscribes to your, rather stupid, way of thinking.
We get it, you hate the hell out of anyone who thinks differently than you. You've made this clear. It doesn't make you right about jack shit. It only exposes your bad judgement in believing that LE sees things the same way you do. There are already Fake Vendors who are LE selling a buttload of drugs here just waiting for the right time to spring the trap and make SR too scary for people to use. You're an absolute moron if you don't know this. LEtting your Agenda Politics cloud your view of reality benefits no one, not even you.
I've used explosives recreationally many a times. It's fun to blow shit up. Lay some roadkill on some sheet explosive... Oh man. If you take less than 15 minutes to stop laughing, you have no soul.
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Now I suppose we will hear all about how everyone needs explosives to protect their family and how the constitution guarantees every American a pound of c4. And explosives don't kill people etc. Seriously someone explain how this doesn't draw undue attention?
And tons upon tons of opioids, cocaine, pot, script pills, etc. doesn't?
Agenda politics of a hypocrite ignoring reality... Try to remember that your personal hate-mongering is not the ruler by which LE decides to apply itself... Thinking that your beliefs on the topic in any way influence LE actions shows how ignorant, hateful, and selfish you are.
If it's illegal, it's their job to come and get it. I see SR approaching 800 listings for illegal drugs. I see one gun listing. I see one explosive listing. Get over yourself.
Repeating "surely this will bring more pressure" just because you believe one is worse than the other, does not mean LE subscribes to your, rather stupid, way of thinking.
We get it, you hate the hell out of anyone who thinks differently than you. You've made this clear. It doesn't make you right about jack shit. It only exposes your bad judgement in believing that LE sees things the same way you do. There are already Fake Vendors who are LE selling a buttload of drugs here just waiting for the right time to spring the trap and make SR too scary for people to use. You're an absolute moron if you don't know this. LEtting your Agenda Politics cloud your view of reality benefits no one, not even you.
I've used explosives recreationally many a times. It's fun to blow shit up. Lay some roadkill on some sheet explosive... Oh man. If you take less than 15 minutes to stop laughing, you have no soul.
I love the way people who disagree with my opinion can't resist calling me names.
Again, I'll re-state.
In America, we have this thing called the NSA. It's a spy agency that focuses on
signals intelligence. Some say they're the best in the world. The Chinese might disagree.
Having explosives on SR makes the case for NSA involvement in trying to take SR down.
Our politicians will spend any amount of resources (and as we know, get us into deep debt) to
position themselves as having protected us.
Your assertion that the only difference between explosives and illegal drugs is my subjective
judgement simply isn't true. Objectively, explosives are a higher risk to national security than
recreational drugs.
However, I do have a subjective judgment re: explosives and guns.
I disagree with blindly providing them to whoever can pay.
You can disagree, and I respect that.
However, name-calling just makes you look like a feeble-minded jackass.
I'm sure you're not. :D
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Now I suppose we will hear all about how everyone needs explosives to protect their family and how the constitution guarantees every American a pound of c4. And explosives don't kill people etc. Seriously someone explain how this doesn't draw undue attention?
And tons upon tons of opioids, cocaine, pot, script pills, etc. doesn't?
Agenda politics of a hypocrite ignoring reality... Try to remember that your personal hate-mongering is not the ruler by which LE decides to apply itself... Thinking that your beliefs on the topic in any way influence LE actions shows how ignorant, hateful, and selfish you are.
If it's illegal, it's their job to come and get it. I see SR approaching 800 listings for illegal drugs. I see one gun listing. I see one explosive listing. Get over yourself.
Repeating "surely this will bring more pressure" just because you believe one is worse than the other, does not mean LE subscribes to your, rather stupid, way of thinking.
We get it, you hate the hell out of anyone who thinks differently than you. You've made this clear. It doesn't make you right about jack shit. It only exposes your bad judgement in believing that LE sees things the same way you do. There are already Fake Vendors who are LE selling a buttload of drugs here just waiting for the right time to spring the trap and make SR too scary for people to use. You're an absolute moron if you don't know this. LEtting your Agenda Politics cloud your view of reality benefits no one, not even you.
I've used explosives recreationally many a times. It's fun to blow shit up. Lay some roadkill on some sheet explosive... Oh man. If you take less than 15 minutes to stop laughing, you have no soul.
I love the way people who disagree with my opinion can't resist calling me names.
Again, I'll re-state.
In America, we have this thing called the NSA. It's a spy agency that focuses on
signals intelligence. Some say they're the best in the world. The Chinese might disagree.
Having explosives on SR makes the case for NSA involvement in trying to take SR down.
Our politicians will spend any amount of resources (and as we know, get us into deep debt) to
position themselves as having protected us.
Your assertion that the only difference between explosives and illegal drugs is my subjective
judgement simply isn't true. Objectively, explosives are a higher risk to national security than
recreational drugs.
However, I do have a subjective judgment re: explosives and guns.
I disagree with blindly providing them to whoever can pay.
You can disagree, and I respect that.
However, name-calling just makes you look like a feeble-minded jackass.
I'm sure you're not. :D
Your statements are based on opinion. Your own opinion. You then proceed with textbook projection and imply that LE of all sorts thinks about it the same way you do.
That's is hateful, selfish and ignorant. It's also dangerous. There is at least a 400:1 ratio of real hard facts.
It's general public knowledge that LE uses the 'drugs pay for terrorism' argument to use all the same resources on drugs as they do on other things....
You're lying to support your agenda and impose your own version of "RedTide's Government" here. SR is a free marketplace. Get over yourself.
Your assertion that LE thinks Guns and Explosives (in small quantities) is a big deal, is entirely baseless. Where is the "War on Explosives?" Oh, but there is a "War on Drugs." Stop lying man... You know you're lying, and that makes you a propagandist. My more than 30 years of experience in the matter shows an overwhelmingly one-sided effort to impose LE resources against drugs, and almost nothing against other contraband. Not only is your argument untrue, it's the opposite of reality. No matter how much of a Zealot you are for that agenda, it won't make it become true...
Your lies are transparent, and your arguments are based upon those lies. You're trying to impose your own Laws, using the same old propaganda and lies. That's it. Period.
It isn't name calling when it's true. When have you ever met a Tyrant or Propagandist who WASN'T well-spoken? The Devil wouldn't be very effective if he had red horns, a pointy tail, and a pitchfork... I don't need to worry about that, or what my 'image' is, because I speak only truth. I don't care if a crowd of people believes me, or thinks I look cool. I'm not here to put on a show. My beef is with liars and hate-mongers.
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There is 200+ kinds of cannabis for sale. Why you guys are not smoking them, instead of hating each other?
In the world, there is tons of shit that can kill us. Life is too weak, smoke DMT and see if life is what you think that is. Stoping a guy from selling explosives wont make a difference. If the NSA wants us down, they will succeed, so enjoy this free moment.
Peace and Love
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There is 200+ kinds of cannabis for sale. Why you guys are not smoking them, instead of hating each other?
In the world, there is tons of shit that can kill us. Life is too weak, smoke DMT and see if life is what you think that is. Stoping a guy from selling explosives wont make a difference. If the NSA wants us down, they will succeed, so enjoy this free moment.
Peace and Love
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This thread never should have been started.
SR can be made very portable. I have a webserver/hidden service that I can plug into any computer that has internet access, turn it on, poof, all good. SR could easily do the same. One gets taken down, but 3 up. Teach them assholes to screw with freedom...
The effort needed to take out SR would make our government even more hated than it already is, and with very, very good reason.
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There is 200+ kinds of cannabis for sale. Why you guys are not smoking them, instead of hating each other?
In the world, there is tons of shit that can kill us. Life is too weak, smoke DMT and see if life is what you think that is. Stoping a guy from selling explosives wont make a difference. If the NSA wants us down, they will succeed, so enjoy this free moment.
Peace and Love
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This thread never should have been started.
SR can be made very portable. I have a webserver/hidden service that I can plug into any computer that has internet access, turn it on, poof, all good. SR could easily do the same. One gets taken down, but 3 up. Teach them assholes to screw with freedom...
The effort needed to take out SR would make our government even more hated than it already is, and with very, very good reason.
Told.
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I'm a newbie but weapons should not be sold anonymously anywhere in my opinion. Whats the point? It's not for purposes of protection after awhile... explosives? Really? C'mon.. totally unnecessary.. who the f*ck want's to blow shit up? Go buy some fireworks.. why do you need military grade shit?
Take SR down? How hard is it to kill a domain name? They did it with torrent search.. taking SR down doesn't require a huge amount of technical know-how or anything else for those with power to dictate what ISP's/hosing services/etc do..
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Another newbie, but I think I will offer my 0.02 BTC.
As a European guns and explosives are not in my culture, but however they are in others.
Who is right?
Both sides have valid points, I side on the no guns or weapons but that is as I say a cultural issue for me rather than fears of LE storming in.
Not selling weapons doesn't take away from the fact that SR is offering a multitude of illegal goods for sale.
You are not selling to a single market but worldwide, in some countries drugs will be seen as the number one issue and not weapons. It is not for me to say that SR should sell certain items or it should not, I am here to buy drugs others want other services and products, SR is already is on the radar of LE and will be without the weapons.
This is a call for the operators of SR and their feelings on the matter weighing up the pros and cons and the risk to them and not the risk to us.
I assume, but may be wrong, that if a major terrorist wanted to get hold of weapons and explosives SR probably isn't going to be their first port of call, they have plenty of axis of evil states for that. Why risk sending this stuff through the mail? It is a huge weak link in your plans, the only benefit is the private nature of the deals, but there are ways to get that in RL as well, without running the risk of putting stuff through a government delivery service.
Also shutting down SR?
My opinion is that SR is a great source of intelligence to LE, why shut it down?
Much better to let it run, conduct sting operations and find people behind the deals. That is how LE works they will use methods to infiltrate to get personal data and leads and build multiple lines of evidence. they will wait for someone to make a mistake get information on them use leverage to move up the chain etc.
Also difficult to "shut down" in the traditional sense, unless they find the infrastructure and operators and then it will pop up under new management with stronger security and the game will continue.
At the end of the day if the owners of SR feel it is worth taking the incremental risk over and above all the other illegal items they are facilitating the sale of, it is their call. SR isn’t a democracy; it is a business and market place with a large customer feedback and comments section.
If people vote with their virtual feet because of the sale of weapons then they will change their business model.
Oh and if you can’t argue without resorting to ad hominem then you’ve lost already.
Finally I'm glad I found this place and mainly due to the press it had gotten already, without that I wouldn't be here, probably similar to many others. Hi to all!
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i'm sure if explosives were as easy to get as drugs are, there would be a major war on explosives as well. the average person can find drugs a lot easier than explosives. I don't see how allowing explosives actually helps SR either. To me they just seem like added incentive for LE. You can do a lot more damage with those products than a hand gun or a switch blade. If you have a legitimate reason to buy them, then you wouldn't need to get them from SR.
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I'm a newbie but weapons should not be sold anonymously anywhere in my opinion. Whats the point? It's not for purposes of protection after awhile... explosives? Really? C'mon.. totally unnecessary.. who the f*ck want's to blow shit up? Go buy some fireworks.. why do you need military grade shit?
Take SR down? How hard is it to kill a domain name? They did it with torrent search.. taking SR down doesn't require a huge amount of technical know-how or anything else for those with power to dictate what ISP's/hosing services/etc do..
Hello,
I totally agree with you, selling cannabis or any other drugs is one thing (at worst, you hurt your own health, and knowingly)
But explosive ??? I am shocked SR doesn't prevent seller from displaying such items
SR is already a DEA target, dont make it a National security issue !!
Even if they cant shut SR down, they EASILY could bring down BTC <-> USD/EUR conversion website which would seriously harm SR.
(BTC would survive but it would be impossible to convert it into REAL money !!!)
Remember tradehill.com having issues setting a bank account in SEPA zone dedicated fund transfer, even though they was no complain ... so imagine what would happen after the next mass-casualty explosive rampage happen in US territory !!
Beside the legitimacy issue , I aim at protecting SR very survival (which WILL be jeopardized if WMD-like items are kept advertised)
That said, I respect different opinion, mine would be keeping SR a "drug-or-less-dangerous-stuff" trade place only.
Cheers
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Take SR down? How hard is it to kill a domain name? They did it with torrent search.. taking SR down doesn't require a huge amount of technical know-how or anything else for those with power to dictate what ISP's/hosing services/etc do..
You clearly don't understand how hidden TOR services work. Your commentary is very much invalid.
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Though we all may agree or disagree on the sale of explosives, they do have a potential for serious harm and therefore should not be permitted. Most likely the majority of the people here do not believe terrorism to be good. Start shipping around that stuff and conspiracy to commit a terrorist act could come up. I would steer clear of that shit, it only causes a shitload of trouble and it's really not worth it AT ALL.
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one 14 year old kid blows up half his school and its goodbye SR
LE will stop at NOTHING. they will commit every resource they have at bringing SR down
right now, the lack of volume and even understanding is what keeps SR lower on the radar than traditional dealers / users.
right now SR is a novelty and there is probably a small task force assessing it's current actual potential and growth .. it's relatively small fry compared to stopping multi tonne shipments of coke coming in via submarine ...
but - if a bunch of people DIE (especially kids) .. the public outrage will be heard all over the world .. it would be game over!
i seriously can't understand how some of you don't get that?!
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Honestly, there's a better chance a kid will buy a hard drug off here and OD than buy a gun/bomb and use it to kill people. Maybe we should stop selling drugs?
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Honestly, there's a better chance a kid will buy a hard drug off here and OD than buy a gun/bomb and use it to kill people. Maybe we should stop selling drugs?
well, suppose you sell that helwan 9 to a slim shady wannabe and he's caps his suburban nemesis at the local food court.
omg think of the children. I don't think its that unlikely. And you wouldn't know whether the buyer was 14 or 40.
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Honestly, there's a better chance a kid will buy a hard drug off here and OD than buy a gun/bomb and use it to kill people. Maybe we should stop selling drugs?
well, suppose you sell that helwan 9 to a slim shady wannabe and he's caps his suburban nemesis at the local food court.
omg think of the children. I don't think its that unlikely. And you wouldn't know whether the buyer was 14 or 40.
And this doesn't happen a dozen times a day already? Maybe we should pre-emptively shoot ourselves to save the ghetto fabulous his troubles? Lets all kill ourselves to save SR!
No matter how many times you present the same empty argument, it remains empty.
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i agree with the captian. i think i will buy some explosives just so i can blow up a tree in my backyard. ill video it and post it on youtube for all of you pro-drug anti-weapon sr'ers to whine about.
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Honestly, there's a better chance a kid will buy a hard drug off here and OD than buy a gun/bomb and use it to kill people. Maybe we should stop selling drugs?
well, suppose you sell that helwan 9 to a slim shady wannabe and he's caps his suburban nemesis at the local food court.
omg think of the children. I don't think its that unlikely. And you wouldn't know whether the buyer was 14 or 40.
I think if anybody tries to cap anybody with that helwan as soon as he pulls the trigger the magazine will fall out and he will end up the dead one.
i'm of the mind that all that should be banned on the SR is CP.
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Honestly, there's a better chance a kid will buy a hard drug off here and OD than buy a gun/bomb and use it to kill people. Maybe we should stop selling drugs?
well, suppose you sell that helwan 9 to a slim shady wannabe and he's caps his suburban nemesis at the local food court.
omg think of the children. I don't think its that unlikely. And you wouldn't know whether the buyer was 14 or 40.
Getting on SR takes a little bit of patience and smarts because of TOR, so I think most users have at least an average intelligence and aren't small children. There's also no true way of verifying my customer's age, so the point is pretty moot in itself.
Secondly, weapons do not cause crime. The majority of us are not ticking time bombs waiting to go off. If one of my customers is an asshole and will do something bad with my product, he'll eventually do something bad no matter if he has my gun or not. If he's going to murder somebody, he's going to do it with a gun, knife, club, or whatever he can get.
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but we don't want to be enablers of that process...
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but we don't want to be enablers of that process...
The process began long before the search for a weapon.
...usually as a by-product of the control-freak laws created by the kind of people who hate guns...
I'll sell to anybody because that's what a customer on SR is. I don't ask questions that might compromise my Customers' anonymity. It's also pointless because they'll lie if they're smart. If they actually do answer such a question, I'd red lag them as dangerously stupid and not do business with them....
I know kids who's parents bought them guns when they were under 10 years old. It's not a big deal. An overhwhelming quantity of smuggled and so-called 'illegal' guns are never used for anything bad, just like the 'legal' ones. Trying to correlate the intent of the owner to the object owned is futile and insane...
My shoes don't make me kick anyone's teeth out. Pencils don't make me mis-spell words. My guns have never made me go wild shooting up the place... My car never made me run over a flock of pre-schoolers at a bus stop.
Those bunches of guns your Politicians show you in Sensationalist Media Campaigns are but a drop in the bucket, just like the Drugs. Most are never found, used, or seen.
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Yeah, maybe brings suspicion of this site up.....?
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Yeah, maybe brings suspicion of this site up.....?
You know what brings suspicion? Dumbasses. Don't be one. Just putting that out there for everyone. Talk amongst yourselves.
Regardless of where the explosives come from or for what purpose they were intended for, if someone hurts themselves it's there fault. Survival of the fittest. Doesn't always mean physically fit. It could mean mentally strong and smart. I repeat, don't be a dumbass.
You can't save everyone every time.
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Since now i can finally reply to this thread now that the forum issue was fixed anyways so here is the deal
During my listing for explosives I did 17 sales outside of escrow each of which went through some Q and A I din't just sell to anyone I did my due diligence to the best of my ability having been in the explosives field for about 15 years you get a good grasp of people who ask for certain items certain ways ect ect ect basically you get a good idea of what they intend to do and there level of experience
I didn't just go shipping a pound of RDX to just anyone and I most certainly didn't ship HE's with cap's ect ect most my charges i shipped were linear / spherical shaped charges and some small hobbyist charges (just go out have some fun sort of stuff)
and lastly I had a custom order for 8 RDX filled titanium alloy MK2 clones (this order took alot of verification) simply because the nature of the item and honestly i can't go into alot of detail but the person whom bought it was a serviceman
so yeah that kind of gives you an Idea of me and who I am I did get ALOT of negative attention from this listing so I actually closed the AD but I will be putting up 2 new ad's I hope before month end for some less destructive "hobbyist" salutes and such
cheers for your interest and concerns and next time feel free to message me on SR if you have a concern as im a very friendly guy who is open to suggestions
-warweed
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explosives = LE trying to create bad press for silk road, why even bother letting them sell here?
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Also if you're dumb enough to buy explosives off here keep in mind that if you do a bomb is going to go off in your city and you're going to get framed for it.
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Three things that should be insta banned from this site.
1. CP
2. guns
3. explosives
Are the Admins of SR this naive? Is this site ran by 20 year olds who are still mad at their parents?
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Agree...I think CP and untraceable/unmarked/fully automatic guns and explosives should be banned from SR. If you need a gun, go buy one legally. For you to desire to buy a gun illegally on here, means you have some pretty obvious intentions for that said weapon. Sure you can bring that argument to the table that some irresponsible kid ODing on drugs bought off SR will bring the same kind of unwanted press about Silk Road as someone buying an untraceable gun and shooting their baby sister in the face. But the chances of the ODing happening is much lower than the kid buying an untraceable gun with obvious intent to do something malicious.