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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: njguido on July 27, 2013, 02:16 am
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I haven't been here since the infancy of this site so I haven't seen lots of these cases in my time. Just out of curiosity, what have been some of SR's biggest FE heists from vendors who have built up amazing rep over a long time? Has the community gotten wiser to it over time?
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one of the biggest ones was "tony" somethinoranother, i think it was tony76 or something like that. made a ton of people FE for a heroin sale then bounced. this was before my time, someone else can probably go more into detail.
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I wouldn't think many of these incidents would be premeditated. For example, a vendor gets robbed or something IRL, they would likely be tempted to sever their SR account and score much of that money back without the product in hand.
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Definitely heard about the "Tony" scam and I recently saw PPLLUURR go rogue with about 2 pages of feedback with "FE" comments, which I imagine ended up costing people quite a bit. Before doing that PPLUURR had a 100 rating; I had ordered from him before and he was really nice.
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And, a few moths ago, Enter the Matrix ... went awol with loads of FE after vending for a while, with good feedback and +300 sales!
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And, a few moths ago, Enter the Matrix ... went awol with loads of FE after vending for a while, with good feedback and +300 sales!
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Very similar to PPLLURR then. I wonder what drives a vendor to do this... maybe they ran out of stock and figured they'd close up shop while scamming a bunch of people? It sucks...
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In the 50s and 60s, a reasonable income stream for organised crime in the UK was running a kind of long con where they'd find a straight looking frontman to open a business, run the business legitimately for long enough to establish trusted relationships with a number of suppliers, then in one day place massive orders with all their suppliers on credit - then clean out the business, stealing all the goods that they obtained on credit. The main expense of such an operation was paying off the frontman, who would take the fall and generally have to spend a decent spell in prison.*
Anyway, a similar motivation may well drive these dealers gone rogue. The dealer decides to get out of the business for whatever reason. Why not award themselves a fat severance package on the way out at the expense of their business partners who trust them enough to pay in advance?
*Of course, gangsters don't do this anymore. The War On Drugs has made selling drugs so incredibly profitable for organised crime that they wouldn't bother with the relative chump change they'd make pulling stunts like the above. Great work, big government.
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I absolutely hate to FE, I have good stats, but what do I do when a trusted vendor asks me to FE? This is particularly difficult to say no to when everyone else is doing it, as you can check the feedback and see. In addition, in my experience, I have had many great experiences with the vendor and then it happens.
I say that we should never FE but what if the price difference and the track record with the vendor compels me to want to roll the dice?
I had this happen the therealrickgrimes who use "vacation" as the excuse to cause everyone to FE. I said it once and I will say it again...Is was my/our own fault(s).
But, it happens over and over again. I am asked to FE and I use my judgement. Overall, I have saved hundreds but it doesn't stop the sting when you get burned and you were the one playing with fire.
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Some of the biggest scams when SR first started were for LSD. I should say alot of the scams were....as I can't say how "big" they actually were. Fake feedback and having people finalize early and it invited more scammers to do the same. The demand was high and people were not very smart about it. :o Thankfully the avengers thread came along and that really put a stop to it.....as long as you read the thread and follow their advice. That and still use your senses to stay on guard. Most importantly.....NEVER Finalize Early!!! If you never FE you should never get scammed. Now some vendors you might come to trust and do it out of courtesy but you really need to be careful with that. The good ones almost Always will never ask you to do that as long as your stats as a buyer are good. If you don't have good stats start out with small purchases to build them up.
The Tony76 scam was probably one of the biggest on SR. He got alot of people and made off like the bandit he turned out to be. He started out vending heroin mostly as I recall but then added some LSD to his selection to set the hook so to speak. He really was sending people actual drugs and his reviews were quite good. He got alot of people to trust him. What also happened is that DPR and SR came up with a great idea for a 420 sale to coincide with the actual date of 4/20. This was back in 2012 if memory serves me correctly. Tony76's "business" had grown so big that he claimed he needed people to FE so that he could serve the masses in a timely manner and not have to wait for people to finalize so that he could give great deals for the 420 Sale. SR didn't charge fees for a few days around 4/20 and alot of vendors were offering great deals. It was a nice touch to celebrate the growth of SR. Well damm if alot of people didn't finalize early for that scumbag. I think alot of it was for LSD more than H but I'm not sure. >:(
Thankfully I wasn't one of his victims but I watched it all unfold through the forums. I think he got tens of thousands of dollars off his big heist. People were pissed and felt really bad for trusting him....goes to show you should NEVER trust someone selling drugs anonymously online that's for sure. But again if you NEVER Finalize early and stay in the protection of escrow you won't get scammed.
I'm pretty sure that's why there was no 4/20 sale this year because of Tony76 but maybe not.....have to ask DPR that one. :-\
Bottom line is feedback can be faked on SR and on the forums too....but if you look closely you can usually spot it. Look for people you trust on the forums and see what they are saying. The karma thing has helped a bit I guess too to tell you who knows what's going on but it's just another tool to use. I feel for the people who get scammed.....would definitely SUCK....but most of the time it's your own fault if you do. Especially the newbs who don't know better.
Guess I've been lucky and never had that problem.....oh and maybe smart too cause I DON"T FINALIZE EARLY. Only on the rare occasion cause I want to not because I'm asked.
Sorry to be so long winded wasn't trying to be.....but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. :P
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I think the exit scam is hard to protect against. It might often not be a premeditated thing. A vendor has been vending for a year and has built up a lot of business and a good rep. No doubt he regularly ge/ts noobs to FE as that is a fairly standard precaution against scam buyers. But if you are sending 1000s of dollar pounds worth of drugs out through the mail each week you probably start to get paranoid and think about quitting while you are ahead. In that situation the temptation to ask for a lot of FEs and vanish is clearly there.
Another one of these was Vlad1m1r. He was a UK forum member who offered a cash in mail BTC service. He had been operating for a good while, solely on the basis of his good name (there being no escrow protection, you just posted him your notes and he paid your btc into address of your choice.) He was perfectly legit and a lot of people used him successfully. He made out like he had some kind of clever laundering scheme going with different drop addresses. In reality it was just him and his flat in jersey. Obviously he started to feel like the water was too hot and basically fucked off with everyone's money. I only used him for my first couple of btc purchase as his commission was too high so luckily wasn't involved.(actually he accidently gave me too much, and when I messaged him he said 'keep it' so he wasn't a total scammer at all); i I think a few members DOX'd him (discovered and revealed his real name and address; when people compared notes the address he had given was same for everyone!)....don't know what happened in the end.....anyone know? I felt bad because having used him successfully and what not, I had recomended him occasionally on forums, although not close to his exit scam.
It seems like money pak/btc vendors often do the same. You hear people crying about losing $1000 on the forums and you feel sorry, but you also think "Really? You sent that much money to an anonymous stranger over internet purely on good faith and their previous good reputation.". There are so many btc sites offering escrow now that you have to be crazy to risk your money like that.
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I absolutely hate to FE, I have good stats, but what do I do when a trusted vendor asks me to FE? This is particularly difficult to say no to when everyone else is doing it, as you can check the feedback and see. In addition, in my experience, I have had many great experiences with the vendor and then it happens.
I say that we should never FE but what if the price difference and the track record with the vendor compels me to want to roll the dice?
I had this happen the therealrickgrimes who use "vacation" as the excuse to cause everyone to FE. I said it once and I will say it again...Is was my/our own fault(s).
But, it happens over and over again. I am asked to FE and I use my judgement. Overall, I have saved hundreds but it doesn't stop the sting when you get burned and you were the one playing with fire.
i say its fine so long as you can afford to lose it.
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I've only ever FE'd once and it was with Juergen when I first got here, some people were complaining about him being a selective scammer but my only transaction with him was alright. I dont even think he's active anymore.
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Another one of these was Vlad1m1r. He was a UK forum member who offered a cash in mail BTC service. He had been operating for a good while, solely on the basis of his good name (there being no escrow protection, you just posted him your notes and he paid your btc into address of your choice.) He was perfectly legit and a lot of people used him successfully. He made out like he had some kind of clever laundering scheme going with different drop addresses. In reality it was just him and his flat in jersey. Obviously he started to feel like the water was too hot and basically fucked off with everyone's money. I only used him for my first couple of btc purchase as his commission was too high so luckily wasn't involved.(actually he accidently gave me too much, and when I messaged him he said 'keep it' so he wasn't a total scammer at all); i I think a few members DOX'd him (discovered and revealed his real name and address; when people compared notes the address he had given was same for everyone!)....don't know what happened in the end.....anyone know? I felt bad because having used him successfully and what not, I had recomended him occasionally on forums, although not close to his exit scam.
Vlad was cool, but he fell foul of Pirate420's ponzi scheme and thus passed the losses on to his customers by absconding with the money.
Wasn't so cool after that. We missed losing a good four digits by mere days with him and if that had happened, there is no way we'd be here now.
It did teach me an important lesson in self-reliance though. I now keep nearly all operations in house.
Oursourcing is just another opportunity for loose lips IMHO.
There are so many btc sites offering escrow now that you have to be crazy to risk your money like that.
This x 1000.
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Tony76 was a Canadian and it was not just heroin, it was coke also.
Guy or team build up a genuine rep for providing top quality goods.
I guess he or they made a lot of coin in the 420 sale which was used as a licence to steal.
As for escrow, I think you need to earn that.
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Vice City Bank is also terrible. And he has the gall to recently open up shop again. Avoid anything to do with that assclown, I say.
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Didn't lucydrop recently do it?
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Slappy was the first that I knew of, in the 'early' days of the road
He/she used the same method as Tony76, ETM etc, build up a good rep then disappear
It was the first time I was scammed on here, awwwww the memories
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I got caught up in the Lsd GummyStarz scam , but that never was legit to begin with.
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No one mentioned MTLJohn.
One of the biggest nutcases ever to grace SR. He screwed two vendors out of $50,000 through cash in the mail scams (twice), had MrOuid account suspended by posting some fake "evidence" to SR that he was doing offline sales, and made fake feedback/fake orders with almost any vendor who sold the same products or called him out on his scamming behavior.
Finally he was dealt with when a group of fellow vendors (most of whom where victims of his stalking or fake sales) manage to find pictures and his identity (he stupidly used the same screenname "MTLJOHN" on various Canadian dating sites offering drugs for sex).
Overall scam :
50K in Fake Fedex Cashout from 2 vendors
20k in Fake FE orders where he sold kilos of M39 for Mexican Schwag prices
Having a top 2% vendor thrown off SR
Tons of threats, Fake Feedbacks, Fake Reviews, Stalking (in his heyday he was on SR forums 18 hrs a day).
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Why are people still shocked about getting ripped off by drug dealers? never FE, simple.
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Nobody has said anything about MrAnonymous?? This just happened like a week ago. He built up a good rep, required FE, and took off. I didn't completely follow it but he came back trying to get money out of escrow from SR staff "to send the packages or refund" or whatever. The nerve...
For real. I've never gotten scammed. I've never FE. I promise you there's a link between the two. It's simple.
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No one mentioned MTLJohn.
One of the biggest nutcases ever to grace SR. He screwed two vendors out of $50,000 through cash in the mail scams (twice), had MrOuid account suspended by posting some fake "evidence" to SR that he was doing offline sales, and made fake feedback/fake orders with almost any vendor who sold the same products or called him out on his scamming behavior.
Finally he was dealt with when a group of fellow vendors (most of whom where victims of his stalking or fake sales) manage to find pictures and his identity (he stupidly used the same screenname "MTLJOHN" on various Canadian dating sites offering drugs for sex).
Overall scam :
50K in Fake Fedex Cashout from 2 vendors
20k in Fake FE orders where he sold kilos of M39 for Mexican Schwag prices
Having a top 2% vendor thrown off SR
Tons of threats, Fake Feedbacks, Fake Reviews, Stalking (in his heyday he was on SR forums 18 hrs a day).
Goddamn! That is crazy, with anonymity can come the worst kind of characters lurking in the shadows. I have my favorite vendors here, and still would never FE for anyone, same as I would never wait longer than 2 hours to release their bitcoin after receiving an order. Always do your part to preserve the integrity of this place no matter how much random scumbags try to fuck the system up.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the 186 vendors who have scammed poor Joolz in the last 6 months alone.
But seriously, there have been about a dozen in just the last few months that fit into this category. Some have had two or three separate accounts in just the last few months get banned.
Then a certain Italian vendor has two or three active accounts RIGHT now and still continues to trade on two separate accounts. You know they are a problem when you avoid all vendors from a certain country just cos they continue to set up new vendor accounts (thank god their grasp on engrish gives them away each time) with two active min at any one time.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the 186 vendors who have scammed poor Joolz in the last 6 months alone.
But seriously, there have been about a dozen in just the last few months that fit into this category. Some have had two or three separate accounts in just the last few months get banned.
Then a certain Italian vendor has two or three active accounts RIGHT now and still continues to trade on two separate accounts. You know they are a problem when you avoid all vendors from a certain country just cos they continue to set up new vendor accounts (thank god their grasp on engrish gives them away each time) with two active min at any one time.
Care to share?
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i suppose a flaw to this silk road is that if a vendor is getting like $20,000+ in orders per week, it pays hugely to just mug everyone off one week and then get a new sr vendor account for $500. altho the smart ones will realize they will lose the stats and so the huge number of orders on the new account, but if you could build that up quick then it prolly could pay off.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the 186 vendors who have scammed poor Joolz in the last 6 months alone.
But seriously, there have been about a dozen in just the last few months that fit into this category. Some have had two or three separate accounts in just the last few months get banned.
Then a certain Italian vendor has two or three active accounts RIGHT now and still continues to trade on two separate accounts. You know they are a problem when you avoid all vendors from a certain country just cos they continue to set up new vendor accounts (thank god their grasp on engrish gives them away each time) with two active min at any one time.
Care to share?
What part of the post? I'd be surprised if you don't know bud tbh, but feel free to PM me.
Cheers - Tel
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Someone should really set up a history of the road document where they list notorious cases of vendors going rogue and other significant happenings so that others can have a reference point for some of this stuff. Also it may be helpful in identifying past patterns so that it's easier to identify and expose "new" vendors who are really just old scammers back under a new name. Just a thought.
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i suppose a flaw to this silk road is that if a vendor is getting like $20,000+ in orders per week, it pays hugely to just mug everyone off one week and then get a new sr vendor account for $500. altho the smart ones will realize they will lose the stats and so the huge number of orders on the new account, but if you could build that up quick then it prolly could pay off.
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When you start off as a vender have two accounts, build them up equally, then drop one with the FE scam crap and carry on with the other...
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Or just dont be an asshole, tons of money to be made if you've got good product and reasonable prices, no need to pull a runner. I could never live with myself if I ripped a bunch of people off, sure I love money but that's just horrible karma right there.
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When you start off as a vender have two accounts, build them up equally, then drop one with the FE scam crap and carry on with the other...
What's hilarious is some vendor's dead give-aways as to their previous identities. Like continuing to ship a very specific subset of product out of the same small city.
Or just dont be an asshole, tons of money to be made if you've got good product and reasonable prices, no need to pull a runner. I could never live with myself if I ripped a bunch of people off, sure I love money but that's just horrible karma right there.
This. The karmic load would probably cause me to get run over the very same day, ala My Name is Earl.
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Not everyone believes in Karma and im sure these guys have ways of justifying there bad deeds in there mind.
For one thing there is no real human contact so its easy to not put a face to someone you have ripped off.
but like i said before, its always surprising when people are surprised that drug dealers want to rip them off.
I dont care how nice a tone someone sounds over the internet, I will never meet that person so can never trust them. Until we can right emails that brake peoples legs I wont ever FE either.
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Not everyone believes in Karma and im sure these guys have ways of justifying there bad deeds in there mind.
For one thing there is no real human contact so its easy to not put a face to someone you have ripped off.
but like i said before, its always surprising when people are surprised that drug dealers want to rip them off.
I dont care how nice a tone someone sounds over the internet, I will never meet that person so can never trust them. Until we can right emails that brake peoples legs I wont ever FE either.
More buyers need to think like you do. I think FE is like playing a roulette table, as the odds are always weighted against you. No amount of FE will ever bring you out further ahead than if you never FE. It's just like all the BTC vendors here, what was it, Mrbuddha most recently? ::) The same individual will probably return to strike again because people keep buying into this imaginary trust with a complete stranger.
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No one mentioned MTLJohn.
One of the biggest nutcases ever to grace SR. He screwed two vendors out of $50,000 through cash in the mail scams (twice), had MrOuid account suspended by posting some fake "evidence" to SR that he was doing offline sales, and made fake feedback/fake orders with almost any vendor who sold the same products or called him out on his scamming behavior.
Finally he was dealt with when a group of fellow vendors (most of whom where victims of his stalking or fake sales) manage to find pictures and his identity (he stupidly used the same screenname "MTLJOHN" on various Canadian dating sites offering drugs for sex).
Overall scam :
50K in Fake Fedex Cashout from 2 vendors
20k in Fake FE orders where he sold kilos of M39 for Mexican Schwag prices
Having a top 2% vendor thrown off SR
Tons of threats, Fake Feedbacks, Fake Reviews, Stalking (in his heyday he was on SR forums 18 hrs a day).
Oh yeah. I remember all his forum posts when all this was happening. Kinda hilarious. The dude was seriously insane.
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I remember Faerydae/fairydae and some guy called tarpetin or something on OVDB, that scammed some mad money with group buys for blotters, microdots and vials.
I think the damage was around 10k/20k
Do any other OVDB'ers remember these clowns?
;D
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I remember Faerydae/fairydae and some guy called tarpetin or something on OVDB, that scammed some mad money with group buys for blotters, microdots and vials.
I think the damage was around 10k/20k
Do any other OVDB'ers remember these clowns?
;D
*COUGH* RC1000 *COUGH*
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Not everyone believes in Karma and im sure these guys have ways of justifying there bad deeds in there mind.
For one thing there is no real human contact so its easy to not put a face to someone you have ripped off.
but like i said before, its always surprising when people are surprised that drug dealers want to rip them off.
I dont care how nice a tone someone sounds over the internet, I will never meet that person so can never trust them. Until we can right emails that brake peoples legs I wont ever FE either.
You've definitely got the right idea.
The case of MrAnonymous going rogue was very similar to what happened with Slicksuit IMO.
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Didn't lucydrop recently do it?
FUCK lucydrop. complete CUNT.
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TheUsualSuspect out of Oregon had the bombest weed, until he started offering FE deals, got fatally sick, passed the business on and you know the rest
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SuperTrips (arguably multiple times) although he seems to come back afterward...
Was it MrFireUK that was selling MDMA and made off with a bunch of people's money?
Dutchaanbod had some serious issues too. A pity because everyone loved his gear.
There was another one in there that I barely dodged, don't remember his name but it was about a year ago and I believe his SN started with an 'S' (he was selling MDMA).
Now I have plenty of buyer stats and can't remember the last time I had to FE.
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Didn't lucydrop recently do it?
FUCK lucydrop. complete CUNT.
There was a huge scandal going on with the Lucydrop team. One partner apparently turned in the other guy(s) and then got away with all the extra FE money. Some even said that Lucydrop was working with the vendor Nevita.
Tony76 was probably THE biggest scam to ever hit SR its pretty famous as far as scams go. Some people even speculate that it was a biker gang in Canada with ties or chapters throughout the states and Mexico that made it easy to move product and run a successful business so when they had sales and required FE people trusted and got screwed...
Every 4/20 there is bound to be huge sales from very reliable vendors but some may e using that day to scam buyers.
The only way to protect yourself is to never FE.
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The tale of Tony76: http://allthingsvice.com/2012/05/30/the-great-420-scam/
The tale of EnterTheMatrix: http://allthingsvice.com/2013/02/25/red-pill-blue-pill-or-no-pill/
:)
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The tale of Tony76: http://allthingsvice.com/2012/05/30/the-great-420-scam/
The tale of EnterTheMatrix: http://allthingsvice.com/2013/02/25/red-pill-blue-pill-or-no-pill/
:)
Thanks for posting that link. One of my first impressions of the SR community was one of surprise at how intelligent a lot of the people here are, and that can go positively or negatively depending on ones intentions of course.
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Aha, never knew vendor Enterthematrix went rogue. Tried to find their page the other day to see what kind of crazy prices and marketing they had.
Will read the article later.
I remember Faerydae/fairydae and some guy called tarpetin or something on OVDB, that scammed some mad money with group buys for blotters, microdots and vials.
I think the damage was around 10k/20k
Do any other OVDB'ers remember these clowns?
;D
*COUGH* RC1000 *COUGH*
God bless you * gives strepsil *
Care to dust off the ovdb part in my brain? Can't seem to remember anyone with the name rc1000
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Not a scammer, but just someone who recieved some brown sugar instead of a few kilos of MDMA
The vendor, pfandier, the guy was pro IMO, tried his MDMA which was half the price of UK vendors and I think a lot of resellers used him/her.
The sugar was sent out, the vendor agreed he had been burnt big time and refunded, as far as I know, most customers.
I was reminded of that as I looked in the works sugar jar. At the bottom is a layer of coffee/tea stained white sugar which looks just like some MDMA.
I got stung by Tony76. Thanks for the link. You have to admit, the sale was the catylyst for him. He sat back and saw hundreds of orders for his coke and heroin which had a top rep. He sent out auto messages for people to FE. Some went FE for 50 grams or more. No way would I do that ever! I estimate he made a quarter of a million bucks.
I think the guy is sitting on a beach drinking Pina Coladas served by pretty young women.
I hope he is giving out blowjobs to the homeless for 2 bucks and addicted to street coke.
;D
What goes around.....
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'THEREALUSdirect' (USA) built up a huge customer base selling flake at rock bottom prices and then scammed everyone off.
'Planta47' (NL) generic FE scam
'AKGOOFY' (USA) - Tried to lure people into buying ridiculous bulk or niche products and then never send out goods - can't believe how long he managed to keep that up for.
there is tonnes more
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one of the biggest ones was "tony" somethinoranother, i think it was tony76 or something like that. made a ton of people FE for a heroin sale then bounced. this was before my time, someone else can probably go more into detail.
Yes Tony76 was a scumbag. I've only been burned by him which surprised me since i researched him and he was revered to be a god around here. I actually got burned for 2 bags of pure cut/no dope but that was expected and minimal so I didn't flinch. Tony76 made me FE since it was my first transaction and I did, then he sent me some fucked up stuff that made me sick and surely was not real heroin. I look back on the experience as when I popped my S.R. cherry.
Oh shit......now I am a full member. Woohoooo....No more captcha typing to post messages.
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sesampino, noriega.
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Anyone remember SumYunGai?
MP vendor back in the day... about a year and a half ago I think.
Anyway, built up his MP base and waited for the big score.
One customer came to him with 15k in MP's and he came on the forums apologizing "So sorry I have to do this... but I'm takin this dude's money and leaving. Later."
Glorious thread.
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Tony. Kat. There were others, but none as high profile.
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remember Canadian ltd = tony 76 and others.
i question him from day one i could tell by his adds that he was setting up for a big scam
i started off by talking to them about using the name Canadian lts, i said it is very similar to my company canadian drugs. he was trying to steal my customers by way of name misrecognition
turns out Canadian ltd was a big scam, and to this day i still receive messages calling me names like
1 bully
2 who the fuck you think you are you do not own Canada.
this was not the case he was deliberately trying to mislead customers that they were dealing with me a trusted vendor not him a new scammer which we all know how that turned out.
pm me i know others
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'THEREALUSdirect' (USA) built up a huge customer base selling flake at rock bottom prices and then scammed everyone off.
'Planta47' (NL) generic FE scam
'AKGOOFY' (USA) - Tried to lure people into buying ridiculous bulk or niche products and then never send out goods - can't believe how long he managed to keep that up for.
there is tonnes more
Therealusdirect wasn't selling flake when he was banned. Just LSD if I remember correctly. He was banned for other reasons if I remember right.
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i suppose a flaw to this silk road is that if a vendor is getting like $20,000+ in orders per week, it pays hugely to just mug everyone off one week and then get a new sr vendor account for $500. altho the smart ones will realize they will lose the stats and so the huge number of orders on the new account, but if you could build that up quick then it prolly could pay off.
Pay off? Yeah. But its disgusting to rip people off. There is money is theres and when they put faith in us vendors to buy a product from us, they should either ALWAYS get the product in hand or get there money back
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I don't see how it could pay off. If you're getting over $20,000 of orders per week, then I'm sure at the very least about $5,000 of that is profit. So which is better, a single payment of $20,000 or a continuous stream of $5,000 per week? That doesn't seem like a difficult question to answer. They can make a new vendor account, but it's going to take far more than four weeks to build up reputation and get anywhere near the business they were getting before.
Of course it's a different matter if they simply want to quit the business and get a severance package. I could understand why they would do that. I'm simply addressing the idea of ripping people off and starting all over again.
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Or just dont be an asshole, tons of money to be made if you've got good product and reasonable prices, no need to pull a runner. I could never live with myself if I ripped a bunch of people off, sure I love money but that's just horrible karma right there.
This. The karmic load would probably cause me to get run over the very same day, ala My Name is Earl.
shouldn't have posted my b/s here - message is never ever F.E. though. if i can offer a prediction - FrankMatthews will disappear one day...
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sesampino
*That* is the name I was looking for. Was gonna say another MDMA dealer's name (I remembered it started with an 's') but sesampino was the guy who got busted right when I started getting in to SR. If I remember right people were speculating that one of his runners may have run off with a bunch of packages... that was just speculation though. I barely dodged that bullet.
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Does anyone know if Tony76 was the first vendor to establish a good reputation and then go rogue? It seems like the first ones to do it would've walked away with the biggest scores because, with this type of scam, knowledge is what really protects you. Nowadays, if you see some top ranked vendor offering a huge FE sale on items, you absolutely know that the small savings aren't worth the risk.
Daruthless1 recently went rogue and pulled this type of scam. It was intriguing because experienced SR users were calling him out on it, but he was on the forums responding, and everyone kind of backed down. He even cancelled some guys order to make the "sale" seem legit. I don't know how much he made off with, but it appeared SR closed his account before he could get all of his money out because he was on the forums, angry, posting addresses of customers.
No one mentioned MTLJohn.
One of the biggest nutcases ever to grace SR. He screwed two vendors out of $50,000 through cash in the mail scams (twice)
Just curious, does anyone know how he was able get people to give him $50,000?
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Does anyone know if Tony76 was the first vendor to establish a good reputation and then go rogue? It seems like the first ones to do it would've walked away with the biggest scores because, with this type of scam, knowledge is what really protects you. Nowadays, if you see some top ranked vendor offering a huge FE sale on items, you absolutely know that the small savings aren't worth the risk.
Daruthless1 recently went rogue and pulled this type of scam. It was intriguing because experienced SR users were calling him out on it, but he was on the forums responding, and everyone kind of backed down. He even cancelled some guys order to make the "sale" seem legit. I don't know how much he made off with, but it appeared SR closed his account before he could get all of his money out because he was on the forums, angry, posting addresses of customers.
No one mentioned MTLJohn.
One of the biggest nutcases ever to grace SR. He screwed two vendors out of $50,000 through cash in the mail scams (twice)
Just curious, does anyone know how he was able get people to give him $50,000?
Honestly man, its a classic scam anyone can see if looking.
Two types of vendors do this scam. The type who set up from day one to do it, and those that do it from desperation. Tony pulled off this scam very well for a few reasons.
He would set it up to where the times between orders and people receiving where getting bigger, and bigger. A large group would FE, then after a time, people would start posting "man hes pulling a scam," then BAM packages start coming in. He did this over and over. It got to the point where people would just always say "trust me man, it always comes." Lucydrop did this exact same thing. Towards the start when he was really about to really take off and run, he would send out only a few packages that he knew belonged to vocal forum members (same with lucydrop.) That way people would think "huh, well he's still sending so maybe I will get mine." This stops the admins from banning the account, because a few packages are trickling in.
Both were also always very friendly, and tony even went as far to refuse selling drugs to a 17 year old. He was considered a good guy all around, and everyone liked him. People called him a "Hero" blah blah blah. This is a bunch of bullshit. The most successful vendors who have been here a long time are assholes. Not assholes like fuck you over, but more like one word replies and "Don't order again" after giving a refund.
It's a perfect scam, and its set up perfectly to work against every check/balance SR has in place. At the current moment only one vendor I know of has met every criteria for what I consider someone planning to do "a tony." Thurgood. Several vendors require FE, but only for a specific group of people. Tony, Lucy, and Thurgood all require fe "no matter what." Thurgood claims he offers "no fe." Thats all for shit no one wants.
I want to revisit the vendor being nice thing. The reason this is done, is because you will know that the most successful scams are done by someone the other party trusted. Shit, look at church pastors, they are the biggest scam artists around. A personality that someone "trusts" is what it takes to pull off a good scam. Are their certain vendors I trust? Yes. I trust that he will get my drugs to me so escrow will release his funds. People are dicks. Anonymous people are dicks, just without repercussion, so they are bigger dicks. To think anyone on this site is interested in having a friendly relationship with you is nothing more than bullshit. It's all about money. Kind of like the real world. Everyone is a ends to a means.
Look, if you FE for people you're going to get fucked. Period. Why SR allows FE is very strange to me. DPR walks around proclaiming "free market." Bullshit. Let people sell guns and fake money. SR is very much a controlled market.
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Tony76 was a Canadian and it was not just heroin, it was coke also.
Guy or team build up a genuine rep for providing top quality goods.
I guess he or they made a lot of coin in the 420 sale which was used as a licence to steal.
As for escrow, I think you need to earn that.
He sold MDMA as well, if you could even call it that. Those were sad times for Canadian vendors. MIN got "busted" around that time time too if I remember correctly.....$285 for premium fishscale, ahh the memories..
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After Tony76, MontellWilliams, also from Canada but selling MDA pulled a similar bullshit scam. Half priced product, but FE required... Then *poof* Top notch product until that point too!
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Does anyone know if Tony76 was the first vendor to establish a good reputation and then go rogue? It seems like the first ones to do it would've walked away with the biggest scores because, with this type of scam, knowledge is what really protects you. Nowadays, if you see some top ranked vendor offering a huge FE sale on items, you absolutely know that the small savings aren't worth the risk.
Tony76 was a couple months shy of his 1 year when he went rogue. He didn't just sell one or two things, he sold everything. Coke, LSD, MDMA, Heroin. All of it was top quality and fucking cheap. He had everyone hooked.
Then came the 04.20 sale. He opened his shipping to international customers, not just Canada and USA. He dropped his prices and, since his policy was FE only anyways, everyone FE'ed and thought nothing of it.
He ALSO had a site of his own, calling it his secret buyers club.
It was the scam that redefined all scams.
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As a new comer to the road, new seller Lebeouf1scammed a few bitcoins from me and seemed to use me as a pawn in the scam which looking back on now makes me feel like an idiot!
Lesson learned at a price!!!
There has to be a better way to stop sellers taking advantage of naive new buyers at this stage?
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As a new comer to the road, new seller Lebeouf1scammed a few bitcoins from me and seemed to use me as a pawn in the scam which looking back on now makes me feel like an idiot!
Lesson learned at a price!!!
There has to be a better way to stop sellers taking advantage of naive new buyers at this stage?
The current way works fine. Follow the rules and don't FE.
P.S. Though this isn't part of the "current way", use your head, your gut, and do some research.
I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, I just don't see anything wrong with how things are in that aspect.
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As a new comer to the road, new seller Lebeouf1scammed a few bitcoins from me and seemed to use me as a pawn in the scam which looking back on now makes me feel like an idiot!
Lesson learned at a price!!!
There has to be a better way to stop sellers taking advantage of naive new buyers at this stage?
The current way works fine. Follow the rules and don't FE.
P.S. Though this isn't part of the "current way", use your head, your gut, and do some research.
I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, I just don't see anything wrong with how things are in that aspect.
Totally agree with you!
As a newbie, I was over excited about the whole thing and dropped my "street wise" guard foolishly and find myself now trying to help other newbies avoid what happened to me. Don't think that will last too long as it seems like a job in itself and haven't got the time!
Lesson learned and lovin Silk Road nowadays! :)
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The current way works fine. Follow the rules and don't FE.
P.S. Though this isn't part of the "current way", use your head, your gut, and do some research.
I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, I just don't see anything wrong with how things are in that aspect.
People just need to do more research before buying. I'm baffled that people would come to a website to buy Schedule I drugs and not feel like they need to do research before actually buying. I'm sure they had to do at least a little to figure out how to get bitcoins so why not do a little more to help ensure you don't get scammed or busted?
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Honestly man, its a classic scam anyone can see if looking.
Two types of vendors do this scam. The type who set up from day one to do it, and those that do it from desperation. Tony pulled off this scam very well for a few reasons.
He would set it up to where the times between orders and people receiving where getting bigger, and bigger. A large group would FE, then after a time, people would start posting "man hes pulling a scam," then BAM packages start coming in. He did this over and over. It got to the point where people would just always say "trust me man, it always comes." Lucydrop did this exact same thing. Towards the start when he was really about to really take off and run, he would send out only a few packages that he knew belonged to vocal forum members (same with lucydrop.) That way people would think "huh, well he's still sending so maybe I will get mine." This stops the admins from banning the account, because a few packages are trickling in.
Both were also always very friendly, and tony even went as far to refuse selling drugs to a 17 year old. He was considered a good guy all around, and everyone liked him. People called him a "Hero" blah blah blah. This is a bunch of bullshit. The most successful vendors who have been here a long time are assholes. Not assholes like fuck you over, but more like one word replies and "Don't order again" after giving a refund.
It's a perfect scam, and its set up perfectly to work against every check/balance SR has in place. At the current moment only one vendor I know of has met every criteria for what I consider someone planning to do "a tony." Thurgood. Several vendors require FE, but only for a specific group of people. Tony, Lucy, and Thurgood all require fe "no matter what." Thurgood claims he offers "no fe." Thats all for shit no one wants.
I want to revisit the vendor being nice thing. The reason this is done, is because you will know that the most successful scams are done by someone the other party trusted. Shit, look at church pastors, they are the biggest scam artists around. A personality that someone "trusts" is what it takes to pull off a good scam. Are their certain vendors I trust? Yes. I trust that he will get my drugs to me so escrow will release his funds. People are dicks. Anonymous people are dicks, just without repercussion, so they are bigger dicks. To think anyone on this site is interested in having a friendly relationship with you is nothing more than bullshit. It's all about money. Kind of like the real world. Everyone is a ends to a means.
Look, if you FE for people you're going to get fucked. Period. Why SR allows FE is very strange to me. DPR walks around proclaiming "free market." Bullshit. Let people sell guns and fake money. SR is very much a controlled market.
Have to agree with everything you have written in this post, penultimate paragraph especially, lesson in life for the impressionable youth of sr.
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Theanswetoeverything ta2e I think I's how he abbreviated it just did this. And scammed me included he was the best changa dealer then like ten ppl fe'd and he hasn't been active since wtf
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The Tony76 scammer had that well planned in advance then, he must have raking it in too! Do you think he is still a vendor on here now?
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The Tony76 scammer had that well planned in advance then, he must have raking it in too! Do you think he is still a vendor on here now?
I doubt it, someone would have recognized the quality of products or the way the they spoke and put 2 and 2 together.
Tony most likely cashed out and is living on a beach somewhere rich as hell.
Jesusofrave was one of the best vendors until a few months ago when they announced they were closing shop. THEY DID NOT SCAM anyone as far as i know, the reason i am bringing them up is because they were a 1%er and probably had made enough money that they quit while they were ahead. Tony did the same thing, had enough money from their legit sales and just decided to close shop except they did so with a bang and scammed for a few extra BTC before they split.
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Interesting you should mention JoR ... one of the few OS deliveries I never got, no replies to pm's, ended up in reso,, ... and 'then' ,, he gave me 'double' what he said on resolution he would? Go figure?..I got 50% back! I wonder how many "final FE's with JoR never madeit? Maybe every one? IDK...just wondering
As soon as I mentioned I'd not got the order on his thread, I was burned by his crew of sycophants sayiinf JoR was 'perfect and could do No wrong' pfff! whatever ... he's gone!
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