Silk Road forums
Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: AnOn.edu on August 15, 2012, 02:05 am
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So I'm seeing all these posts about what a prick Limitless is or how arrogant Pine is or how much of a (choose your adjective) that (choose your noun) is. Don't get me wrong, they don't need me to defend them, however after reading way too many posts about this, and especially since most of the OP's are brand fucking new, I started remembering that building anger and hostility is a key approach of psy ops and it made me think of a recent post on Cryptome. While I'd read this when Cryptome posted it I've got to give MSFT1 a hat tip for posting the article here before me, though he posted it in security and I think it is more apropos for a general forum discussion. Building up hostility will certainly be a key tactic for LE to try to create problems on the Road and, while I'm deadly serious about everyone's right to free speech which includes being a total tool, I'll call you out for being a dumb shit and playing into LEO's hands.
Here's the Cryptome article about manipulating forums:
COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..
There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'
Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'
Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.
Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.
Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.
CONCLUSION
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.
Original article:
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
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agreed - divide and conquer.
Human nature is to always listen to the negative and ignore the positive.
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Interesting line from technique 6
This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in ** maintaining their freedoms. **
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Re: "divide and conquer"
It's pretty easy to dislike someone on a forum. In my experience if someone's post comes off as arrogant or cocky or whatever, it's best to give them the benefit of the doubt. This is usually because
A) You misinterpreted their post, and they actually didn't mean to be arrogant
B) They actually are gangster #1 and you should be quiet >.>
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Lol they failing a bit then! I didn't even need to shoot the ones about me down, others did it for me. 8) **coughs** COZ I'M THE SAUCEBOSS **coughs**
Also anyone seen the film Immortals? Bout to watch it, any good?
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Lol they failing a bit then! I didn't even need to shoot the ones about me down, others did it for me. 8) **coughs** COZ I'M THE SAUCEBOSS **coughs**
Also anyone seen the film Immortals? Bout to watch it, any good?
worth a watch if you dont have any other choice
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I'd say if you have another choice take it....way to change the subject though lol
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I am Sauceboss. You are not Sauceboss Limetless. This begets the question as to who I am. Am I a member here with multiple accounts or a lurker? Am I some branch of law enforcement who likes to plant misinformation or cause off topic fights and gather intelligence, or am I a bored troll?
P.S. You're a wanker Limetless.
*Sauceboss out*
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Yeah I was trying to point out how seriously I take the subject hehe. I'm too self assured to worry about who's Christmas card list I happen to be on at any given time because well, I'm just too cool for that shit. As far I'm concerned people can bitch about me all they please, as for DPR I haven't seen anyone bitch about DPR today but DPR is cool too. Pine is cool, a lot of other people are cool so given that nearly everyone is cool I think it's best I found out if this film is worth a watch because it's much more important at this given moment than where I am on the cool-o-meter (doesn't go up high enough for me anyway....we know this).
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And Sauceboss I would put you more at sauce-management level, not quite boss. ;)
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Are you discussing Epic Mealtime? Baconstrips.
Haha of course. ;)
MUSCLES-GLASSES! MUSCLES-GLASSES!
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So they were all like: "Earth and Water dude"
and Lim and Pine were all like "No way dude, THIS IS SRARTA!!!"
btw: PGP Club has over 250 members, soon we will at...300... :D
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So they were all like: "Earth and Water dude"
and Lim and Pine were all like "No way dude, THIS IS SRARTA!!!"
btw: PGP Club has over 250 members, soon we will at...300... :D
LOL when I hit 300 karma we had a little joke about 300 in the vendor forum. :P
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So they were all like: "Earth and Water dude"
and Lim and Pine were all like "No way dude, THIS IS SRARTA!!!"
btw: PGP Club has over 250 members, soon we will at...300... :D
Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
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I read this awhile back when it first went up on Cryptome. Be careful when going to sites like cryptome.org , not to long ago it was found that cryptome.org was infected with some sort of malware or something, most likely by some shadow govt agency to gather info on those who frequent / read the site. More then likely some part of DHS, and one of the reasons more then likely being to continue gathering information on those that are resistant to control (as mentioned in that article). All I am saying is just keep these things in mind, some day soon all of this information they have been gathering will be put to use.
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So they were all like: "Earth and Water dude"
and Lim and Pine were all like "No way dude, THIS IS SRARTA!!!"
btw: PGP Club has over 250 members, soon we will at...300... :D
Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=174.0
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It sucks for LEO cause we all love lim<3
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LE Technique no. 22 - Anal Fisting.
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I must've missed this article the first time. Good read. Thanks for the info.
Wait...info...Pine gathers info....
Pine gathers info? Limetless quotes Pine. Limetless claims to be sauceboss. Sauceboss has < 100 posts.
Pine = Limetless = sauceboss = LE
Damn it all...I thought I could trust you guys.
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LE Technique no. 22 - Anal Fisting.
I hope LE remember to remove their own head from their anuses first so they can see what they're doing... :-)
V.
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LE Technique no. 22 - Anal Fisting.
I hope LE remember to remove their own head from their anuses first so they can see what they're doing... :-)
V.
I don't, it's the reason why there are so many mistrials. :P
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Pffft.
"SAUCEBOSS" wouldn't even sell me some simple chemical weapons precursors...
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That reminds me of the small nuclear bomb I preordered, I have to make sure the return address is correct concerning warranty...
Can I have a shoutout from all my fellow nuclear device-owners?!? YEAH!
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Limitless/DPR are all that there is, has been , will be and a bag of cripes (or chips), {Pine is non of these things}
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That reminds me of the small nuclear bomb I preordered, I have to make sure the return address is correct concerning warranty...
Can I have a shoutout from all my fellow nuclear device-owners?!? YEAH!
Damn, I wanted to buy that bomb...too bad I spent all my money on abortion pills and jenkem...
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The OP is spot on with his breakdown of tactics. He's just missing the next page out of that book about people being made to appear as victims of psy ops to bolster their legitimacy lol.
Conduct psy ops against several individuals. Slowly start attacking your own agent in same way to give him a common bond with the true targets. Agent appears to be more legitimate and can then progress to full infiltration stage. It's like arresting the undercover when they pull the trigger on a raid. If his intent isn't to stop at that stage, his being seen as being taken down too gives him more credibility if he chooses to remain under while incarcerated.
It really does turn into a mind fucking game when psy ops are applied.
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Whatever happened to buying an island and turning it into an IRL SilkRoad and protecting it with a nuke.
Or did that plan fall through? O.o
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No don't worry that's definitely still on. It's going to be the next main topic at the Admin, Staff and Vendor progress meeting. :)
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Phew. I still got dibs on whatever job you told me I had last time.
Fuck if I can remember.
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The OP is spot on with his breakdown of tactics. He's just missing the next page out of that book about people being made to appear as victims of psy ops to bolster their legitimacy lol.
Conduct psy ops against several individuals. Slowly start attacking your own agent in same way to give him a common bond with the true targets. Agent appears to be more legitimate and can then progress to full infiltration stage. It's like arresting the undercover when they pull the trigger on a raid. If his intent isn't to stop at that stage, his being seen as being taken down too gives him more credibility if he chooses to remain under while incarcerated.
It really does turn into a mind fucking game when psy ops are applied.
In fact I already pointed that out in another thread. See below:
Who's pine? ::)
Possibly the OP?
My hypothesis is actually that this thread was started precisely so that people would think that.
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8343 posts as of now by limitless signals an issue of some form.
Everyone here should be capable enough to concern for themselves truth over trick.
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I read this awhile back when it first went up on Cryptome. Be careful when going to sites like cryptome.org , not to long ago it was found that cryptome.org was infected with some sort of malware or something, most likely by some shadow govt agency to gather info on those who frequent / read the site. More then likely some part of DHS, and one of the reasons more then likely being to continue gathering information on those that are resistant to control (as mentioned in that article). All I am saying is just keep these things in mind, some day soon all of this information they have been gathering will be put to use.
I've had my suspicions about cryptome for a long time anyway. 99% of people with an interest in the field tell me i'm wrong, and that John Young is a "real stand-up guy", but I remain unconvinced. Assange gets an international manhunt, and what does John get for similar actions? A couple of embarassed-looking feds and an unsuccessful takedown request to his ISP. Yeah, right. ???
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8343 posts as of now by limitless signals an issue of some form.
Everyone here should be capable enough to concern for themselves truth over trick.
I had ~600 posts in one month, does that make me LE?
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8343 posts as of now by limitless signals an issue of some form.
Everyone here should be capable enough to concern for themselves truth over trick.
I had ~600 posts in one month, does that make me LE?
Yes
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8343 posts as of now by limitless signals an issue of some form.
Everyone here should be capable enough to concern for themselves truth over trick.
No your issue is that I shut your thread down coz you were doing stupid shit before so you thought you'd bitch back and be a snide prick. It's called being a mumbling whore. :)
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8343 posts as of now by limitless signals an issue of some form.
Everyone here should be capable enough to concern for themselves truth over trick.
I had ~600 posts in one month, does that make me LE?
Yes
Aw man, I don't even like pork :(
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8343 posts as of now by limitless signals an issue of some form.
Everyone here should be capable enough to concern for themselves truth over trick.
No your issue is that I shut your thread down coz you were doing stupid shit before so you thought you'd bitch back and be a snide prick. It's called being a mumbling whore. :)
NO IDEA what your talking about except that as the title of this thread suggests, it is you that sounds like a mumbling whore :)
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8343 posts as of now by limitless signals an issue of some form.
Everyone here should be capable enough to concern for themselves truth over trick.
No your issue is that I shut your thread down coz you were doing stupid shit before so you thought you'd bitch back and be a snide prick. It's called being a mumbling whore. :)
NO IDEA what your talking about except that as the title of this thread suggests, it is you that sounds like a mumbling whore :)
I really think you do but I shan't embarrass you any further, you do a grand job of that yourself. :)
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:o WTF
Look, I only pointed out that Limetless has made almost 8,500 post's since march, 2012. He averages 60+ posts a day.
Thats a big fucking red flag in my book.! :P
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:o WTF
Look, I only pointed out that Limetless has made almost 8,500 post's since march, 2012. He averages 60+ posts a day.
Thats a big fucking red flag in my book.! :P
You sir, haven't been active on too many forums, some people with a lot of free time post quite often :P
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Sure! some one who spends that amount of time posting on 'hidden' anonymous marketplaces couldn't posably have an alternative agenda ::)
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8343 posts as of now by limitless signals an issue of some form.
Everyone here should be capable enough to concern for themselves truth over trick.
I had ~600 posts in one month, does that make me LE?
No andthe fact that Limitless has racked up 600 post every week since he joined a few months ago, does not make him / her LE either!
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No andthe fact that Limitless has racked up 600 post every week since he joined a few months ago, does not make him / her LE either!
Your obsession with Limetless is more suspicious than anything...
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So you don't think that my over 400+ sales, my reputation for Money laundering (45+ clients now by the way) the fact I'm a Mod, the fact I advise people on what to do with all sorts of different things and have said so on the forums makes me LE yeah?
Get of the crack before you have to back-track and get a smack. Cunt.
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No andthe fact that Limitless has racked up 600 post every week since he joined a few months ago, does not make him / her LE either!
Your obsession with Limetless is more suspicious than anything...
I find Limetless strangely attractive and therefore follow his posts religiously. Maybe hundred is just another fanatic?
Wait...I can't have any competition! I vote for an immediate banning of this gram character! He's shady as a tree and further: he thinks there are a hundred grams in an ounce. Only LE could fuck up that bad!
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getting back to the OP, I think this should be stickied. Good info
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There's several people with lots of posts and reputation that I'm 80% sure are LE.
It's scary as fuck. Thank god I'm just a buyer who only does small amounts for himself. LE would have to be fucking retarded to wanna put the effort into busting me, "well we've got a whole silk road here, but this guy don't buy a lot. All he does is small amounts for himself and he pays taxes."
But I wouldn't put it past them... I mean, they signed up for their job... they aren't that clear thinking (the smart LEs I'm pretty sure are just vigilantes and we could buy them off)...
So I've been putting thought into deleting this account and going back to lurker status. I'm pretty sure I've said WAY too much on here already.
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So I'm seeing all these posts about what a prick Limitless is or how arrogant Pine is or how much of a (choose your adjective) that (choose your noun) is. Don't get me wrong, they don't need me to defend them, however after reading way too many posts about this, and especially since most of the OP's are brand fucking new, I started remembering that building anger and hostility is a key approach of psy ops and it made me think of a recent post on Cryptome. While I'd read this when Cryptome posted it I've got to give MSFT1 a hat tip for posting the article here before me, though he posted it in security and I think it is more apropos for a general forum discussion. Building up hostility will certainly be a key tactic for LE to try to create problems on the Road and, while I'm deadly serious about everyone's right to free speech which includes being a total tool, I'll call you out for being a dumb shit and playing into LEO's hands.
The problem with this approach is it only would potentially effect a very small percent of SR customers.
Most people don't visit the forum I assume. Some to minimize risk (posting online about drug purchases..), but most because they don't have the time or desire to hang out on the forum. I bet of SR users that made at least 1 purchase in the last month, only 10% took a glance at the forums. Only 5% of those register to post, and probably only 2-3% are daily users. Plus most people come to read specifics about their product or order and couldn't give a shit that Limitless is a cunt online.
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I reckon Limitless is just a lonely cunt with a sever case of aspergers syndrome or similar mental disorder. ::)
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this is all part of the plan
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I reckon Limitless is just a lonely cunt with a sever case of aspergers syndrome or similar mental disorder. ::)
Ass burgers? Who's severing ass burgers? Is that a new cut of ket? If so I can't wait for Limetless to come out with his Ass burger ket strand.
Damn it now I gotta go make burgers...
But no seriously. Go away now please hundy. You are raising all kinds of red flags and I don't think anybody likes you ripping on Limetless when he obviously spends a lot of his time keeping this place running. Whatever your angle, it isn't working.
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People with Asperger's often appear completely normal.
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Hundy don't like me because I shot down a few of his threads that were particularly arse-hole-esque and now he's just too much of a bitch not to bare a grudge. Kinda sad that he has nowt better to do than to give himself a hand treat every time he think of something that could maybe vaguely offend me. Gold start for you! Also, bit of a pretentious name ya got yaself there as well Hundred, if you can get hundred gram oz's then why don't you start selling here instead of being the broke-as-a-joke-mother-fucker that you are?
Tell you what you should do that would be a significantly more productive use of your time. Go cut a whole between your mothers bottom ribs and then fuck the wound because that should just about hit the nail on the head as punishment for bringing a douche-bag like you in the world. Remember to take a snap of her face while ya do it though, we wouldn't want to miss that treat! ::)
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So you don't think that my over 400+ sales, my reputation for Money laundering (45+ clients now by the way) the fact I'm a Mod, the fact I advise people on what to do with all sorts of different things and have said so on the forums makes me LE yeah?
Get of the crack before you have to back-track and get a smack. Cunt.
Yeah I want your mentoring services like mad crazy, but just don't have the funds (not saying your prices are too high, i'm sure they are well worth it, i'm just a poor physically disabled biochemist lol).
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People with Asperger's often appear completely normal.
It's just more bullshit stereotypes and misinformation--likely perpetuated by the media. I've known people with Asperger's and they function fine in society. So do people with other mental issues/disorders. They can be quirky but so is everyone else. People who start slinging around psychological disorders like they're legitimate insults is a crime against knowledge and only perpetuates stupidity like a plague.
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I have Asperger's and I was very popular in school and people typically wanted to be my friend. Nobody ever knew this about me and they never suspected.
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I have Asperger's and I was very popular in school and people typically wanted to be my friend. Nobody ever knew this about me and they never suspected.
And I find that completely believable. Most mental illnesses are only known from media. How many people out there think savants are like Rain Man or something equally ridiculous?
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People with Asperger's often appear completely normal.
It's just more bullshit stereotypes and misinformation--likely perpetuated by the media. I've known people with Asperger's and they function fine in society. So do people with other mental issues/disorders. They can be quirky but so is everyone else. People who start slinging around psychological disorders like they're legitimate insults is a crime against knowledge and only perpetuates stupidity like a plague.
Indeed. That was very wrong of me! This was never ment to be an attack on limitless, it has just evolved in that way.
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Regarding this list of tactics, a lot of it seems commonplace. Like just a part of the way people naturally argue things and manipulate conversations.
Could the posting of that list itself be a way of fostering paranoia? Cause having it pointed out to me like that, ill be reading people's posts for days going, "wtf! Everybody is LEO ahhhhhhhhhhh."
Ok maybe not...
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...Seriously? What are we 12? Did I stumble on the forums for troubled children?
Isn't there something better you could be doing? Like...I don't know...drugs?
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...Seriously? What are we 12? Did I stumble on the forums for troubled children?
Isn't there something better you could be doing? Like...I don't know...drugs?
No fuckin kidding.