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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: BlarghRawr on August 05, 2012, 08:15 pm

Title: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: BlarghRawr on August 05, 2012, 08:15 pm
If there is one big-red-target you can paint across yourself, it is cash in mail. CiM is absolutely the easiest way to get the attention of LE, and the easiest way to get caught by LE.

Let me walk you through the process;
LEO requests a cash in mail deal.
Vendor accepts, gives address.
LEO sends appropriate amount of cash.
Vendor sends bitcoins.
LEO uses bitcoins with vendor to buy drugs.
LEO posts positive review.
LEO requests another cash in mail deal.
Vendor accepts, gives same (or different, doesn't matter at this stage) address.
LEO sends appropriate amount of cash.
LEO also sends a sting.
Vendor(or mule) goes to pick up cash, gets arrested.
If mule, mule turns on vendor.
If vendor, vendor is now fucked.
LEO search vendor's residence and computer.
LEO gets ALL kinds of evidence.


So again, drug dealers. Stop using cash in mail. Please, for your own safety. At a bare minimum, you should be making another vendor account that has 0% connectedness to your drug dealing account.
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: Delta11 on August 05, 2012, 08:33 pm
I've known some Tony Montanas back in my day and the one piece of advice they always were sure of is that LE cannot and I mean whatever the circumstances were, cannot let go of money so I don't know if your post is actually accurate but then again I said back in my day so that policy could have change.
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: Crooked on August 05, 2012, 09:17 pm
^ I've heard pleeeeeenty of stories where LE make large buys off Tony Montanas and get Tony gets F'd in the A.

Please delete this topic lol I love buying my coin via CIM. I be oh so anonymoose.
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: BlarghRawr on August 05, 2012, 09:26 pm
^ I've heard pleeeeeenty of stories where LE make large buys off Tony Montanas and get Tony gets F'd in the A.

Please delete this topic lol I love buying my coin via CIM. I be oh so anonymoose.
I'm not against CiM transactions. I'm against vendors who sell drugs also doing CiM. I view it as a security risk for them. I don't want vendors to be insecure.
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: bonaroo on August 05, 2012, 10:59 pm
It is a shame we can't clone ourselves. Set up clones in different countries, one for CiM, one for procuring, one for packing, one for shipping.

With a cyanide capsule in their teeth too. Radio controlled of course.
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: keyzersoze on August 06, 2012, 02:35 pm
Thankfully I dont live in America, but for this to work for LE where I am from, they would have to prove that the cash was connected to drugs.......

If you are using cash in mail, and someone who is not connected to you or your drugs to collect then there is really jack shit they can do?
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: midlandsmafia on August 06, 2012, 02:43 pm
Pretty sure bitcoins completely legal, as long as the CIM vendor is not selling drugs there should be no problems.
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: lefthandspinner on August 06, 2012, 02:57 pm
 the cash in the mail guys admit on the forum to selling venders coins  ,cops class cleaning there money the same as selling drugs

i dont think it would take the cops long to track a lot of vendors on here,
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: sourdieselman on August 06, 2012, 03:06 pm
I take more cash in the mail orders than probably anyone on here. My system accounts for this exact process and is very secure against it. every system has pro s and cons. BTC are very anonymous and unsiezable and have a bunch of other strengths however to buy large amounts of BTC and Cash out large amounts of BTC anonymously is very hard. It is almost impossible to do without using a bank somewhere along the way. I know of lots of people who send stuff through the mail. The only people I know of that have been busted had large amounts of cash going through there bank accounts. If we as a community could be more organized in helping buyers buy btc easily and anonymously and helping vendors cash out btc easily and anonymously the community as a whole would do better.
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: ginseng2000 on August 06, 2012, 06:40 pm
If we as a community could be more organized in helping buyers buy btc easily and anonymously and helping vendors cash out btc easily and anonymously the community as a whole would do better.

Amen!  I am a newbie on hear and maybe I'm being too paranoid, but I'm having a hard time buying my first BTC's
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: BlarghRawr on August 06, 2012, 07:30 pm
helping vendors cash out btc easily and anonymously the community as a whole would do better.
This is my biggest concern. It's the thing that seems to hold most vendors back. Do you have tips you'd be willing to share?
Title: Re: Drug dealers: Stop using CashInMail to cash out.
Post by: vlad1m1r on August 06, 2012, 10:46 pm
helping vendors cash out btc easily and anonymously the community as a whole would do better.
This is my biggest concern. It's the thing that seems to hold most vendors back. Do you have tips you'd be willing to share?

I offer this service myself to vendors and do point out that the address to which the money is to be sent needn't be their home address. It can be a Post Office, PO Box or even that of a trusted friend.

The idea that I would give up that kind of information strains the point of credibility (indeed after examining last night's threads you'll see even the threat of an automatic weapon failed to move me to give up the personal details of one such client!) It would amount to confessing to concealing the proceeds of crime.

If the cash is monitored moving through the postal network this could prove problematic but the burden of proof would still be on LE to show that it was profits from an illegal activity, which of course it isn't as selling Bitcoins is perfectly lawful.

The alternatives are withdrawing to your bank account or buying up precious metals from sites like Coinabul  -working in a bank as I do I can tell you that large sums moving regularly through your account would raise a number of flags. In addition, while precious metals are a sound investment you may find liquidating them rather difficult. Cash is by far your best option IMHO.

V.