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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: peach on August 02, 2012, 04:27 am
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Silk Road's Multiple Choice Test to test your asshole-ness level
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TRADING ETIQUETTE
1) If you don't receive the package in the expected timeframe
a) Bitch your seller to no end through PM.
b) Threaten the seller by mounting a FUD propaganda campaign. Yeah, lets destroy this mofo's reputation.
c) Ask politely what happened with the shipment.
d) Kill yourself
2) If your product is not satisfying you
a) Threaten your seller on going fullblown FUD. KILL THE MOFO! FUCKING KILL HIM!
b) Ask for a refund IMMEDIATELY!
c) Tell politely about the problems to your seller, take a pic of the product as proof of the problem, and ask for a reshipment/replacement.
d) Kill yourself
3) If the seller is offering customer service
a) Nag him endlessly with questions and request for favors that are clearly out of the scope of the support, after all he is the idiot who offered help.
b) Write a whole essay whining about how miserable and pathetic life you have, a single paragraph with 1500 words without spaces, asking for a discount.
c) Ask concise questions and go straight to the point. Use fucking paragraphs, and use proper fucking grammar.
d) Kill yourself.
4) If the seller is asking to READ the fucking instructions in the offer page:
a) PM him asking him for the instructions.
b) Ask "how much is it"
c) Go to the offer page and read the fucking instructions
d) Kill yourself
5) If the seller is selling more than 5 different products
a) Ask him ambiguous non-specific questions such as "is it useful"?
b) Ask a specific and concise question such as "is the product XXX offered in the link http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/LinkOfxxx useful for my needs which are xyz?"
c) Ask "how much is it"
d) Kill yourself.
6) If the seller only accepts bitcoins
a) Ask if he accepts Paypal, Moneypak, Liberty Reserve or any other.
b) Don't ask the stupid questions.
c) Ask him if he accepts cash. Yeah, lets meet in person!
d) Kill yourself.
7) If you are living with your parents
a) Ship it to your parent's place under a fake name
b) Ship it under your name
c) Ship it to an empty house for sale in the neighborhood
d) Ship it to your ass.
ENCRYPTION
8) If you have a question that is non-critical and non-sensitive (it doesn't expose your privacy, nor it doesn't require confidentiality, such as "how much is it")
a) Encrypt it with GPG with a 4096-bit key.
b) Send it in plain text.
9) If you have a sensitive information to send
a) Encrypt it ONLY with your own gpg public key.
b) Encrypt it with the recipient's public key.
Answers:
1) C (or D)
2) C (or D)
3) C (or D)
4) C (or D)
5) B (or D)
6) B (or D)
7) B (or D)
8) B (or D)
9) B (or D)
The rules are simple, if you go all the way neurotic, you'll be blacklisted for being a fucking brat or a crazy bitch.
Be polite and reasonable. If something is wrong, let us know and we will either reship it after evaluating the legitimacy of your claim.
Asking straight for a refund is a strong sign of a scam, and you will be suspected immediately.
If the seller's offer of a reshipment is rejected by the buyer, you will be confirming yourself as a scammer.
Every annoying user is blacklisted by the vendors.
By dealing in SR you MUST know that every question related to either meeting in person, using paypal, bank transfer or sending cash are prohibited activities since these are all traceable, and defeats the very purpose of the existence of SR.
Any attempt of requesting these "favors" will IMMEDIATELY blacklist you as an attempt of a sting operation.
The same with the file formats doc, docx, pdf, psd, swf and any link you might send us (excepting privnote) is ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED.
If I ask you a picture, please for God's fucking sake, don't send it in a pdf. If I ask your personal data, don't fucking send it in a doc.
You will immediately be tagged as cops.
For images ONLY USE JPEG or PNG.
For information ONLY USE TXT. PERIOD.
The shipments MUST NOT be addressed to:
1) Empty houses in the market for sale (especially when there is a "sale" sign in the front)
2) Abandoned houses.
And NEVER under a -blatant- fake name. The mailman is not stupid, they have to walk your block every fucking single day, they must even dream with your fucking street.
Do you think they will be as stupid as leaving a box in a house they KNOW it's been fucking empty for decades?
Also there is a guideline in the USPS where they must always check if there is a authorized USPS mailbox and if the name in the mailbox corresponds with the recipient's name. Most mailmen don't give a shit, but some do. But also most have a developed six sense when something seems to be out of place, this sixth sense is nurtured from habit.
If they leave a note asking to pick it up at the post office, you'll know that he used his own judgement and decided to not leave the package at your assigned drop.
IF you are living with someone else (especially with your parents), be fucking sure they are not nosy.
I had more than one case where their nosy parents opened my customer's envelope and threw away the DL.
Another case my customer's sibling "borrowed" the DL to use it himself without telling his brother about the receipt of the package.
So before bitching, check your fucking facts.
If you use encryption, please learn to use it.
Encryption was made for sensitive information, let me break down what is sensitive:
1) Personal Information: Your real name, Your address, Your day of birth, etc...
2) Things/pictures/data/plans that would incriminate you.
3) Things/pictures/data/plans that would identify you.
That's it.
Asking the price, or making a very vague question about what is my product good for DOES NOT REQUIRE ENCRYPTION, in fact I will hate you very much if you make a whole military grade 4096 bit encryption of a message that only says "how much is it? I am interested".
Also, be fucking smart, think twice when you are threatening your vendors.
We are vendors in SR for a reason and most of us are extremely resourceful and talented at what we do.
It is definitely not a good idea to be spitting upwards, it will definitely drop back at your face.
Before bitching, ask politely and listen. If you behave like a brat, you'll not get shit.
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I think I got a 100% on the test.
Do I get free drugs, and can you send it to my parents, and how much does it cost?
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I chose d on the first question and was therefore dead and unable to complete the test, can I get a retake?
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Thanks Peach, this brought a smile to my face.
I try to be welcoming to newer users to Silk Road but it does surprise me the number of people who are able to operate the Tor browser, then ask to order Bitcoins using Paypal/Western Union/Ukash etc. - If these methods were anonymous, the vendors on here would accept them after all!
I suppose my own main source of frustration is potential customers who ask questions which are covered in my FAQ - I believe the exact wording is "Full terms, details and FAQ's available at : ..." and then I provide the link which answers around nine out of ten questions I receive.
Still, it's a living and I think it's important to show willing to get customers :-) - If any newer users are reading this, please don't be scared to ask about anything you don't understand, that's not why I'm ranting!
V.
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Seems like common sense to me, but then again, considering who your audience is, sometimes you have to remind them that the sky is blue!! :)
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i think 'kill yourself' should have been an option for question 7... i guess i get 88.8% for missing one ... :) ...
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+1 for this whole post.^^^
I chose d on the first question and was therefore dead and unable to complete the test, can I get a retake?
and a +1 for you
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YUP
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YUP
Please stop spamming YUP in every thread in this forum to boost your post count :)
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2) If your product is not satisfying you
c) Tell politely about the problems to your seller, take a pic of the product as proof of the problem, and ask for a reshipment/replacement.
Can you explain in what way having a picture of the product proves your dissatisfaction with it ?
"this coke is cut with crap, let's take a picture !"
"mmh, no CEV with these shrooms, I'm gonna have to take a picture !"
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If someone gives you a multiple choice test do you:
(A) Throw it in their face and call them a faggot
(B) Tell them that you're not in 3rd grade
(C) Take a shit on it
(D) Give them a multiple choice test
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If someone gives you a multiple choice test do you:
(A) Throw it in their face and call them a faggot
(B) Tell them that you're not in 3rd grade
(C) Take a shit on it
(D) Give them a multiple choice test
C
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Nic post, Peach, I know a lot of vendors are lol-ing right now ;)
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2) If your product is not satisfying you
c) Tell politely about the problems to your seller, take a pic of the product as proof of the problem, and ask for a reshipment/replacement.
Can you explain in what way having a picture of the product proves your dissatisfaction with it ?
"this coke is cut with crap, let's take a picture !"
"mmh, no CEV with these shrooms, I'm gonna have to take a picture !"
Oh, yeah, well I haven't thought about the rest of the vendors, it may get tricky there.
The complaints that I get are mainly about misprints or some defective laminate sometimes.
So if I have made a mistake, they must have a way to prove it with pictures.
If you got pictures of the problem, free reshipping of course. No pictures, gtfo.
Btw, I guess when they receive a defective product that you can tell visually that it is blatantly wrong, you could submit a picture as proof if that is applicable in your situation.
The point is, be open to dialogue and go great lengths to discuss about it as a mature boy.
Don't complain, harass and throw threats bitching like a brat, at least not as your first option.
Crying may have worked with your poor mothers, here in SR you'll be blacklisted as a motherfucking asshole.
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LOL. I love you Peach.
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pgp encryption.... i dont use encryption when i buy cannabis but i do if im buying H, yayo, or something class A.
Am i an idiot for doing this ?
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Having come from TA, I was under the impression PGP was for everything, all the time. But, now that that's done I suppose it's good to know most sellers won't mind plain-text under certain cases.
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If someone gives you a multiple choice test do you:
(A) Throw it in their face and call them a faggot
(B) Tell them that you're not in 3rd grade
(C) Take a shit on it
(D) Give them a multiple choice test
C
LOL!!
I really feel for you vendors that have to put up with fucking idiots that can't think..... I mean literally can't think.
FYI I think I'm going to send some fish scale to my mom's house
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If someone gives you a multiple choice test do you:
(A) Throw it in their face and call them a faggot
(B) Tell them that you're not in 3rd grade
(C) Take a shit on it
(D) Give them a multiple choice test
C
LOL!!
I really feel for you vendors that have to put up with fucking idiots that can't think..... I mean literally can't think.
FYI I think I'm going to send some fish scale to my mom's house
If you are then please don't ask your vendor to ship it in a Metallica CD case, you will end up with yellow FishScale that smells like piss.
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I can't believe people would try to use anything but Bitcoins. Isn't it obvious that's the currency this whole site relies on for our safety?
It never ceases to amaze me how many times some people need telling. I do feel for the largest vendors, constant questions over and over again about the same stupid shit. Stick in there big playaz!
Oh, as there are some vendors posting here, I wondered; can you see if a buyer is a fan of you or not?
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peach u need a little vacation hun :P
i sense burnout - it can get to ya - i know
EDIT: my personal pet peave is that i have to fix almost EVERY addy for capitalization and punctuation so it looks pro!!
oh yea the will u sell to me for cash in mail is really getting old too lol
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Did you read my thread about young buyers the other day Christie? It made me add number 9 to the "Stuff I wont do so don't fucking ask" list on my page.
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Did you read my thread about young buyers the other day Christie? It made me add number 9 to the "Stuff I wont do so don't fucking ask" list on my page.
i will check it out now lim :)
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It's in this forum, title is all in caps.
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=33570.0 <<< there
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Silk Road's Multiple Choice Test to test your asshole-ness level
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TRADING ETIQUETTE
2) If your product is not satisfying you
a) Threaten your seller on going fullblown FUD. KILL THE MOFO! FUCKING KILL HIM!
b) Ask for a refund IMMEDIATELY!
c) Tell politely about the problems to your seller, take a pic of the product as proof of the problem, and ask for a reshipment/replacement.
d) Kill yourself
OMG YES!
Almost every rating less than 5/5 that I have is some one who took .5g-1g of mushrooms and expected to trip. Most of them did not contact me, just left the rating. I contacted them and found out.
What bothered me more than the low rating and the non-contact was one guy who told me that when he takes 1 capsule of mushrooms from another vendor he has "an intense come up in 10 min followed by a 3 hour trip" :o
The list is great, I think they should add something like this to the wiki. Maybe not a multiple choice but at lease a FAQ on the etiquette of buying. Big +1 and a thumbs up.
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Oh, as there are some vendors posting here, I wondered; can you see if a buyer is a fan of you or not?
I don't believe so, if we have that ability I don't know where to find it.
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Nah we can't
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Oh, as there are some vendors posting here, I wondered; can you see if a buyer is a fan of you or not?
I don't believe so, if we have that ability I don't know where to find it.
I wish we did have that feature, I would love to offer my fans a special from time to time.
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If you use encryption, please learn to use it.
Encryption was made for sensitive information, let me break down what is sensitive:
1) Personal Information: Your real name, Your address, Your day of birth, etc...
2) Things/pictures/data/plans that would incriminate you.
3) Things/pictures/data/plans that would identify you.
That's it.
Asking the price, or making a very vague question about what is my product good for DOES NOT REQUIRE ENCRYPTION, in fact I will hate you very much if you make a whole military grade 4096 bit encryption of a message that only says "how much is it? I am interested".
Thanks for this peach, I've been using encryption for every message I send - hopefully I haven't pissed off too many vendors.
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Hilarious post peach! #6 really made me laugh out loud- so true its sad... although I am yet to have somebody smart enough to ask me to meet them "IRL".. only a matter of time though I am sure.. haha
Peace
Rx420
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ENCRYPTION
8) If you have a question that is non-critical and non-sensitive (it doesn't expose your privacy, nor it doesn't require confidentiality, such as "how much is it")
a) Encrypt it with GPG with a 4096-bit key.
b) Send it in plain text.
9) If you have a sensitive information to send
a) Encrypt it with your own gpg public key.
b) Encrypt it with the recipient's public key.
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If you use encryption, please learn to use it.
Encryption was made for sensitive information, let me break down what is sensitive:
1) Personal Information: Your real name, Your address, Your day of birth, etc...
2) Things/pictures/data/plans that would incriminate you.
3) Things/pictures/data/plans that would identify you.
That's it.
Asking the price, or making a very vague question about what is my product good for DOES NOT REQUIRE ENCRYPTION, in fact I will hate you very much if you make a whole military grade 4096 bit encryption of a message that only says "how much is it? I am interested".
I am *so* going to get smacked for this, but:
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----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=EoLB
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
In case it isn't obvious, everyone should try "decrypting" that.
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Hey Louis,
I'm curious, how did you make that everyone decryptable block?
I wondered how long it'd be until someone asked. :)
It's not encrypted, just signed. When signing a message or file without encrypting it there are several options available. The most common is to clearsign a message (gpg --clearsign filename.txt) which produces a text file encased in a signature like the ones DPR uses when he makes an announcement. Then there are two forms of detached signatures normally used for signing files for download; one with ASCII armouring (gpg -ba filename.txt) and one without (gpg -b filename.txt) which produce .asc and .sig files, respectively.
What I did there was to just sign and armour the message (gpg -sa filename.txt) without using a detached signature or the clearsigning option. The resulting file (filename.txt.asc) is just the signed text in an ASCII armoured block. It looks like a regular PGP message, but it isn't encrypted to any keys and PGP or GPG will recognise it for what it is when an attempt is made to decrypt it. At this point it verifies the signature and displays the text.
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he used gpg to do nothing past bzipping it
And signed it. You need to pass some specific GPG function to it to produce the armoured output. As for bzip, I should probably switch it to zlib at some point.
that's a really nice trick
Yeah, there isn't that much call to use it very often, though. It is, however, a great way to retain characters in a particular character set that might get messed up by some message transport systems.
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If you use encryption, please learn to use it.
Encryption was made for sensitive information, let me break down what is sensitive:
1) Personal Information: Your real name, Your address, Your day of birth, etc...
2) Things/pictures/data/plans that would incriminate you.
3) Things/pictures/data/plans that would identify you.
That's it.
Asking the price, or making a very vague question about what is my product good for DOES NOT REQUIRE ENCRYPTION, in fact I will hate you very much if you make a whole military grade 4096 bit encryption of a message that only says "how much is it? I am interested".
Fuck this.
If you can't be bothered to take an additional five second to decode my message then you are lazy. Lazy vendors don't make good vendors, they get caught.
I get lazy too but that shouldn't be the norm. Encrypt everything.
Thanks for this peach, I've been using encryption for every message I send - hopefully I haven't pissed off too many vendors.
Having come from TA, I was under the impression PGP was for everything, all the time. But, now that that's done I suppose it's good to know most sellers won't mind plain-text under certain cases.
Great work guys ! This is the kind of mentality that GPG team around here wishes to spread (hopefully).
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Great work guys ! This is the kind of mentality that GPG team around here wishes to spread (hopefully).
Thanks randomOVDB#2
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If you use encryption, please learn to use it.
Encryption was made for sensitive information, let me break down what is sensitive:
1) Personal Information: Your real name, Your address, Your day of birth, etc...
2) Things/pictures/data/plans that would incriminate you.
3) Things/pictures/data/plans that would identify you.
That's it.
Asking the price, or making a very vague question about what is my product good for DOES NOT REQUIRE ENCRYPTION, in fact I will hate you very much if you make a whole military grade 4096 bit encryption of a message that only says "how much is it? I am interested".
Fuck this.
If you can't be bothered to take an additional five second to decode my message then you are lazy. Lazy vendors don't make good vendors, they get caught.
I get lazy too but that shouldn't be the norm. Encrypt everything.
Thanks for this peach, I've been using encryption for every message I send - hopefully I haven't pissed off too many vendors.
Having come from TA, I was under the impression PGP was for everything, all the time. But, now that that's done I suppose it's good to know most sellers won't mind plain-text under certain cases.
Great work guys ! This is the kind of mentality that GPG team around here wishes to spread (hopefully).
Lazy Vendors?
Getting caught?
It is called resource allocation and efficiency.
It is a waste of time to be encrypting and decrypting a message that is not sensitive, period.
If you are a schizoid paranoid, go ahead and encrypt everything, but it is absolutely a waste of time which doesn't offer any layer of extra security.
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If you use encryption, please learn to use it.
Encryption was made for sensitive information, let me break down what is sensitive:
1) Personal Information: Your real name, Your address, Your day of birth, etc...
2) Things/pictures/data/plans that would incriminate you.
3) Things/pictures/data/plans that would identify you.
That's it.
Asking the price, or making a very vague question about what is my product good for DOES NOT REQUIRE ENCRYPTION, in fact I will hate you very much if you make a whole military grade 4096 bit encryption of a message that only says "how much is it? I am interested".
Fuck this.
If you can't be bothered to take an additional five second to decode my message then you are lazy. Lazy vendors don't make good vendors, they get caught.
I get lazy too but that shouldn't be the norm. Encrypt everything.
Thanks for this peach, I've been using encryption for every message I send - hopefully I haven't pissed off too many vendors.
Having come from TA, I was under the impression PGP was for everything, all the time. But, now that that's done I suppose it's good to know most sellers won't mind plain-text under certain cases.
Great work guys ! This is the kind of mentality that GPG team around here wishes to spread (hopefully).
Lazy Vendors?
Getting caught?
It is called resource allocation and efficiency.
It is a waste of time to be encrypting and decrypting a message that is not sensitive, period.
If you are a schizoid paranoid, go ahead and encrypt everything, but it is absolutely a waste of time which doesn't offer any layer of extra security.
This. Oh my fucking CHRIST THIS!
Why the fuck people need to encrypt something like "What is the price for 10g of Mephedrone" I will never under understand and yet the same people shoot their emails in cleartext? Fucking madness. I actively encourage people to use PGP, it's a wonderful thing but encrypting unimportant shit is just annoying.
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Why the fuck people need to encrypt something like "What is the price for 10g of Mephedrone" I will never under understand and yet the same people shoot their emails in cleartext? Fucking madness. I actively encourage people to use PGP, it's a wonderful thing but encrypting unimportant shit is just annoying.
But surely the answer to a question like that would be somewhere like *on the fucking product page*! Why would a buyer even need to ask? They've already been looking at a listed product which, shock, horror, has a bloody price attached to it.
Jeez, that's not an issue with encryption, that's an issue with fucking morons not opening their eyes.
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It depends, sometimes you are right yeah but if an amount isn't listed then people will ask. No problems there, just don't need to encrypt it lol.
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It depends, sometimes you are right yeah but if an amount isn't listed then people will ask. No problems there, just don't need to encrypt it lol.
Yeah, fair enough.
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If you use encryption, please learn to use it.
Encryption was made for sensitive information, let me break down what is sensitive:
1) Personal Information: Your real name, Your address, Your day of birth, etc...
2) Things/pictures/data/plans that would incriminate you.
3) Things/pictures/data/plans that would identify you.
That's it.
Asking the price, or making a very vague question about what is my product good for DOES NOT REQUIRE ENCRYPTION, in fact I will hate you very much if you make a whole military grade 4096 bit encryption of a message that only says "how much is it? I am interested".
Fuck this.
If you can't be bothered to take an additional five second to decode my message then you are lazy. Lazy vendors don't make good vendors, they get caught.
I get lazy too but that shouldn't be the norm. Encrypt everything.
Thanks for this peach, I've been using encryption for every message I send - hopefully I haven't pissed off too many vendors.
Having come from TA, I was under the impression PGP was for everything, all the time. But, now that that's done I suppose it's good to know most sellers won't mind plain-text under certain cases.
Great work guys ! This is the kind of mentality that GPG team around here wishes to spread (hopefully).
Lazy Vendors?
Getting caught?
It is called resource allocation and efficiency.
It is a waste of time to be encrypting and decrypting a message that is not sensitive, period.
If you are a schizoid paranoid, go ahead and encrypt everything, but it is absolutely a waste of time which doesn't offer any layer of extra security.
This. Oh my fucking CHRIST THIS!
Why the fuck people need to encrypt something like "What is the price for 10g of Mephedrone" I will never under understand and yet the same people shoot their emails in cleartext? Fucking madness. I actively encourage people to use PGP, it's a wonderful thing but encrypting unimportant shit is just annoying.
Again. Copy, decrypt, password. 5 seconds x 500 messages -> 2500 second -> less than 10 minutes. Yep, lazy.
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But why does that need to be encrypted in the first place? You haven't answered that.
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Encrpyting all messages helps to form a habit and makes people more comfortable with the concept.
Planning to commit a crime (I want to buy 10g of mephedrone. How much is it) might become a security risk if the servers are seized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
Better safe than sorry, so encrypt.
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randomOVDB#2 you better encrypt your whole house (with you in it) and send it to Mars where you'll be safe.
Paranoia is submissive. Grown-ups don't need to hide.
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Encrpyting all messages helps to form a habit and makes people more comfortable with the concept.
Planning to commit a crime (I want to buy 10g of mephedrone. How much is it) might become a security risk if the servers are seized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
Better safe than sorry, so encrypt.
Yep, I'd agree with that completely.
Addendum to my previous message in this thread: the "fair enough" comment related to Lim's statement about some listings not having prices for different amounts and not to not encrypting queries about those products.
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Using encryption is extremely redundant. It reinforces a false sense of security.
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Lazy Vendors?
Getting caught?
It is called resource allocation and efficiency.
It is a waste of time to be encrypting and decrypting a message that is not sensitive, period.
If you are a schizoid paranoid, go ahead and encrypt everything, but it is absolutely a waste of time which doesn't offer any layer of extra security.
This. Oh my fucking CHRIST THIS!
Why the fuck people need to encrypt something like "What is the price for 10g of Mephedrone" I will never under understand and yet the same people shoot their emails in cleartext? Fucking madness. I actively encourage people to use PGP, it's a wonderful thing but encrypting unimportant shit is just annoying.
Again. Copy, decrypt, password. 5 seconds x 500 messages -> 2500 second -> less than 10 minutes. Yep, lazy.
Your maths is off. 600 seconds = 10 minutes. 2,500 seconds = 41 minutes and 40 seconds.
That said if you are using GPG Agent and PIN entry it's easy to cache the passphrase securely for a specified time period and then script the decryption of large numbers of messages. Make sure messages are saved in filenames that reflect the buyer's names and make sure the buyers label their keys correctly (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=33566.0) and you're set for easy mass decryption and easy encryption of responses.
With both GPG 1.4.x and GPG 2.0.x this can be done with any .gpg or .asc message using either of these commands:
gpg --decrypt-files --allow-multiple-messages *.gpg
gpg --decrypt-files --allow-multiple-messages *.asc
There are some restrictions, namely the messages cannot have hidden any of the encryption keys (e.g. using hidden-encrypt-to, --hidden-recipient or --throw-keyids).
So if vendors do this and add something like this to their page:
Encrypt all messages (if you wish), but DO NOT hide or anonymise any encryption key when doing so (if you don't understand this then it doesn't affect you).
All buyer keys MUST include their SR username. See this forum post for details: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=33566.0
Then that ought to cater to the buyers who want to encrypt everything and make life easier for the vendors.
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Using encryption is extremely redundant. it reinforces a false sense of security.
Bullshit!
It only doesn't help when a vendor is compromised by law enforcement and the decrypted message is revealed.
Your promotion of insecure practices make you look like a stooge for the law. -1.
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Hiding from your government gives them power. Fear and paranoia make you weak/submissive and it makes your adversary strong/dominant. If you wanna win the war on personal freedoms you'll need to stop hiding.
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It's time to grow up Louie. It's time to become a man.
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Hiding from your government gives them power. Fear and paranoia make you weak/submissive and it makes your adversary strong/dominant. If you wanna win the war on personal freedoms you'll need to stop hiding.
If you want a short fight against a power that is currently greater in any direct confrontation, then that's the way to do it and lose.
If you want to stay free enough to keep fighting for more freedom then you need a different strategy.
its time to grow up louie. It's time to become a man.
Go fuck yourself.
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If you want a short fight against a power that is currently greater in any direct confrontation, then that's the way to do it and lose.
If you want to stay free enough to keep fighting for more freedom then you need a different strategy.
Their power is not as great as you think. What gives them power is the fear that you have of them. It forces you to be submissive to them while they harness your energy with the money that they control and create.
David didn't defeat Goliath by running away in fear for 35 years. He saw his enemy's weak spot and struck it.
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randomOVDB#2 is correct about encryption.
You fellows are thinking of encryption in the sense of 'your encryption' strength being strong enough to protect you. That's a factor, yes, if the adversary cannot break your encryption they can't read the message.
But look at the bigger picture. What if the enemy does have power to break your message? Then the only thing that protects you is the sheer volume of messages. If all messages contain "goodies", then the enemy has an incentive to throw resources at you.
If the enemy knows that many of the messages will be non-actionable intelligence, then they are greatly deterred from targeting you as a result.
Remember, eventually most 2048 bit PGP encrypted messages (most PGP public keys I have in the GPA are 2048 bit) could be decrypted with relative ease in 20-30 years time. In fact those are probably crackable today if you were interesting enough to a powerful organization like the American's NSA or Russian's GRU. The question then becomes whether it is *economical* to do so. If some messages are actionable, and others are junk, then LEA's job becomes a nightmare. If they are all goodies, then it could become an intelligence goldmine instead.
The literal definition of anonymity is a state of namelessness. A more technical definition of anonymity is the state of being indistinguishable from a given set size. As an example, imagine a closed communication interface with several hundred members. If all of the members use the name 'anonymous' to make their posts, they are indistinguishable from each other based on naming information (however, they may not be anonymous based off IP information). However, they are not indistinguishable from those who are not a part of the system. If two people have access to an anonymous suggestion box, any suggestion in the box may be anonymous but the set size is two. The higher your set size is, the more anonymous you are. Anonymity networks attempt to create a substantial set size for your Internet communications. A user of a given anonymity network can generally be narrowed down to the set size of all users of the network (however, it may be difficult for an attacker to determine all users of a given network), but the network attempts to make it difficult for an attacker to narrow the source of a given communication to an individual who put the communication into the network. Thus, the network attempts to give its users a set size larger than one, hopefully large enough to prevent actionable intelligence.
-- Project PolyFront
Anonymity and encryption can be symbiotic, but in both cases the odds are considerably improved by increasing the set size. Increase the set size by encrypting everything possible, increase the entire community's security level and most especially your own. You become "hard" nut to crack in the eyes of a LEA.
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Some of you say it is uneconomical in terms of time as a vendor to encrypt everything. I am very familiar with the experience of dealing with many encrypted messages at once. I also know that if I concentrate I can clear my inbox in a much shorter period of time than if I dilly dally, there are techniques for speeding up your efficiency here that ought to be familiar to any secretary in the world. I'm not accusing anybody here of being lazy, but perhaps I am accusing you of being a bit inefficient than you ought to be.
For one thing, if you don't type > 50 wpm with close to 100% accuracy, you should think about enrolling in a typing course online or at a business course offered in your community to increase your typing speed. This will pay dividends over time which makes the opportunity costs more than a good investment. Vendors that respond promptly snatch much business from slower vendors.
Secondly, if this does not solve the issue for you as a vendor, then the chances are that your operation is expanding rapidly and this time constraint you're running up against implies you ought to be making new hires to expand your business. Ideally a relative or very trustworthy friend of similar ethic origin i.e. deeper than usual ties, who is in a different time zone in order to maximize the advantages. A so called 'tag team' is an extremely good idea on a multitude of levels when it comes to geographical arbitrage in our markets. Even within the States you can at least double your total ROI this way. e.g. 1 in NY, another in Cali. Anyway, back to main point:
I get up to 50+ encrypted messages per 24 hour cycle, at a minimum. It is easy to decrypt them all at once by invoking a simple command line argument. It takes less than 60 minutes to respond to them because I employ a division of labor policy with my messages. I adopt generic messaging or templates appropriate for standard situations, which accounts for 90% of the mail anybody here receives, most especially if you are a vendor. I can then contextualize those generic emails very quickly by appending answers to unique questions as part of the generic template.
Work smart, not hard. That is what I'm trying to say here, because you can make a lot of work for yourself as a vendor if you don't employ a wildcard while decrypting messages or you are a slow typist.
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If you want a short fight against a power that is currently greater in any direct confrontation, then that's the way to do it and lose.
If you want to stay free enough to keep fighting for more freedom then you need a different strategy.
Their power is not as great as you think. What gives them power is the fear that you have of them. It forces you to be submissive to them while they harness your energy with the money that they control and create.
David didn't defeat Goliath by running away in fear for 35 years. He saw his enemy's weak spot and struck it.
You are seriously one of the stupidest people in the history of this place, what makes me laugh is that you are actually a vendor. Basically a Mister Dank mk 2.
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Pine you're spreading FUDD and weakening the collective.
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Encrypting your messages reinforces paranoid behavior. Fear and paranoia disrupt the part of the brain responsible for logic. They "hijack" your brain, so to speak, and eventually lead to unsound reasoning (and even schizophrenia).
Remember that LE are not targeting small time buyers. They are targeting the sellers like myself. What is the point of me encrypting my communications when every single one of my buyers is a potential undercover cop? You need to start using a little bit of common sense rather than trying to use social tactics to force your "PGP Club Brotherhood Special Members Only Allowed Elite" nonsense.
And I leave you with a quote from March 4, 1933
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_inauguration_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt#Inaugural_address
So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear... is fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.
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People are lazy, if it takes more than 2 button clicks they get frustrated.
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Pine reminds me of a cult leader. Today it's PGP Club" and tomorrow it'll be the "Lunar Brotherhood of the PGP Crypto-Collective".
Don't forget to wear your PGP Crypto-Helmet to guard against evil DEA spirits!
LMFAO GTFO Pine.
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Wait.
Are you seriously quoting Franklin D. Roosevelt at a bunch of libertarians? Libertarians. FDR.
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Do you disagree with what he said?
Or did his political alignment blind you from reading it?
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Do you disagree with what he said?
Or did his political alignment blind you from reading it?
Neither. But I still concur with Lim. You're either a naive vendor or a severely unimaginative troll. Some of the people on the Farmer's Market had the same worldview as yourself, now they are in prison.
Paranoia is like any other human emotion, there is a optimum that changes from person to person and circumstance to circumstance. You are breaking the law and therefore you are a criminal. This means law enforcement organizations are trying to shut you down. This means paranoia is part of your job description. It is true that irrational paranoia is destructive, but the cause of our paranoia is very real. You are experiencing extreme cognitive dissonance because it is easier to dismiss reality than to deal with what it is. Kmfkewn has frequently noticed this quality in bottom tier dealers because it is the number 1 contributor to their arrest.
If you are quite so sure nobody is out to get you then I'm not sure why you aren't leaving your real name, telephone number, social security number and place of residence in a post so buyers can contact you effortlessly.
I am quite sure nothing I can say will change your mental attitude, particularly given your predisposition to ad hominems, so this is the last reply I shall make to you.
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Some of the people on the Farmer's Market had the same worldview as yourself, now they are in prison.
They are in prison because encrypting their emails gave them a false sense of security.
Kmfkewn has frequently noticed this quality in bottom tier dealers because it is the number 1 contributor to their arrest.
Dealers are getting arrested because they are getting bad advice. For example such as this following piece of advice you gave:
you ought to be making new hires to expand your business.
And you go on to say that drug dealers should invite their close relatives and friends into their business..... LOL
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Our friend Pine is using PGP the same way a religious leader uses a turban or burqa to indoctrinate his followers. What is his obsession with getting people to use PGP as if it's the law? Why is he so adamant about getting his followers to perform such a ridiculously inane ritual?
Don't drink Pine's Kool-Aid whatever you do.
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Hey Pine did you grow up in a big mansion? Was your daddy really rich? And did he spoil you?
Why do these rich kids feel that they deserve to be leaders without putting in the work? Why do they want everybody else to do all the labor while they reap the rewards? I think it is because they grow up with a sense of entitlement. I think that is what you are Pine. A rich little pampered baby.
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Encrpyting all messages helps to form a habit and makes people more comfortable with the concept.
Planning to commit a crime (I want to buy 10g of mephedrone. How much is it) might become a security risk if the servers are seized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
Better safe than sorry, so encrypt.
Okay, lets say that Lim's example is somewhat sensitive -it is not-, then do you justify pasting a humongous ascii block that cover half a page that only says: "That was awesome, Thank you".
Honestly, some critical thinking doesn't hurt.
Now, the opposite is also hilarious, while conspiranoids like you encrypt the most irrelevant messages, I have the other guys from the other extreme of the rainbow that send me EVERY FUCK*NG PRIVATE SENSITIVE ABSOLUTELY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION IN PLAIN TEXT.
It is then when I freak out.
The former are annoying, but the latter are suicidal.
*sigh*
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Anonymity and encryption can be symbiotic, but in both cases the odds are considerably improved by increasing the set size. Increase the set size by encrypting everything possible, increase the entire community's security level and most especially your own. You become "hard" nut to crack in the eyes of a LEA.
Yep, spot on.
I get up to 50+ encrypted messages per 24 hour cycle, at a minimum. It is easy to decrypt them all at once by invoking a simple command line argument. It takes less than 60 minutes to respond to them because I employ a division of labor policy with my messages. I adopt generic messaging or templates appropriate for standard situations, which accounts for 90% of the mail anybody here receives, most especially if you are a vendor. I can then contextualize those generic emails very quickly by appending answers to unique questions as part of the generic template.
Agreed. I included the command for decrypting messages in bulk earlier in this thread. It does have a slight restriction (no hidden keys), but it works very well.
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If you want a short fight against a power that is currently greater in any direct confrontation, then that's the way to do it and lose.
If you want to stay free enough to keep fighting for more freedom then you need a different strategy.
Their power is not as great as you think. What gives them power is the fear that you have of them. It forces you to be submissive to them while they harness your energy with the money that they control and create.
David didn't defeat Goliath by running away in fear for 35 years. He saw his enemy's weak spot and struck it.
You are seriously one of the stupidest people in the history of this place, what makes me laugh is that you are actually a vendor. Basically a Mister Dank mk 2.
Ha! Now I get why you're down on that Dank guy.
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Encrypting your messages reinforces paranoid behavior. Fear and paranoia disrupt the part of the brain responsible for logic. They "hijack" your brain, so to speak, and eventually lead to unsound reasoning (and even schizophrenia).
Wow, you're either insane or law enforcement or both.
Remember that LE are not targeting small time buyers. They are targeting the sellers like myself.
Don't worry, in your case you can plead insanity.
What is the point of me encrypting my communications when every single one of my buyers is a potential undercover cop?
Do you have any idea how retarded that sounds?
You need to start using a little bit of common sense rather than trying to use social tactics to force your "PGP Club Brotherhood Special Members Only Allowed Elite" nonsense.
It's hardly an elite club. All it takes is being able to use GPG or PGP.
Have you ever even tried to use it?
And I leave you with a quote from March 4, 1933
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_inauguration_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt#Inaugural_address
So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear... is fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.
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FDR should've included "fear and stupidity" in that speech, but he was a politician so he couldn't afford offend the voters.
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Some of the people on the Farmer's Market had the same worldview as yourself, now they are in prison.
They are in prison because encrypting their emails gave them a false sense of security.
Or possibly because they used Hushmail which decrypted all their email and handed it over to law enforcement. This is why we need to run GPG ourselves.
Using things like Western Union and Paypal didn't help them either.
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Encrpyting all messages helps to form a habit and makes people more comfortable with the concept.
Planning to commit a crime (I want to buy 10g of mephedrone. How much is it) might become a security risk if the servers are seized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
Better safe than sorry, so encrypt.
Okay, lets say that Lim's example is somewhat sensitive -it is not-,
A matter of opinion. It might be to someone depending on who they are and where they are.
then do you justify pasting a humongous ascii block that cover half a page that only says: "That was awesome, Thank you".
That does seem a bit silly.
That said, as Pine pointed out there is an advantage to increasing the possible data set law enforcement would need to decrypt if they ever got their grubby mitts on it.
Honestly, some critical thinking doesn't hurt.
True.
Now, the opposite is also hilarious, while conspiranoids like you encrypt the most irrelevant messages, I have the other guys from the other extreme of the rainbow that send me EVERY FUCK*NG PRIVATE SENSITIVE ABSOLUTELY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION IN PLAIN TEXT.
It is then when I freak out.
The former are annoying, but the latter are suicidal.
*sigh*
Yep and we've already seen a fine example of that in this thread.
Anyway, hopefully the command I posted earlier to decrypt messages in bulk will help.
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Undercover Confidential Informant: Psssst... Yo dawgz we should use this Super Secret Code to outsmart those pesky pigs.
Drug Dealer #1: That's genius! The cops will never be able to catch us if we use the Super Secret Code!
Drug Dealer #2: Uhh... what if your customer is a cop? I think you're better off just using TOR+Bitcoin then you don't need to worry about getting caught. Maybe just give your customers the option to encrypt their shipping addresses.
DD#1: But the Super Secret Code uses 2048 encryption! The Feds can't see our comms brah! And if they can't see our comms they can't do shit! We're untouchable now!
Undercover CI: Yo anyone who doesn't use the Super Secret Code is a snitch or a narc. Straight up homie.
DD#2: *facepalm
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Don't ask stupid questions? Well I was always told that there was no such thing as a stupid question, certainly got me through my years of service in the British Army.
Even if someone has stated "only ship to US", I weigh up the vendor (new/ needs reviews/ etc) and ask. Sometimes I even ask anyway but if it looks like they've got a good, regular source of customers then I won't bother. It doesn't hurt to ask if you do it the right way, especially if you've got the good buying stats from the start.
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Encrypting everything isn't right - whilst yes it'd be nice if you could have everything encrypted and getting into that habit - will ALL vendors appreciate this?
The best way is to encrypt as much as possible - perhaps after asking the seller if that sort of communication is okay. You should be looking to encrypt anything that relates to an order, potential order or any personal details.
Stay safe kiddies, remember you are most likely breaking some law(s) - so it pays to be safe rather than sorry. Always use common sense and always approach with caution until you've established a good, working relationship with someone.
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Undercover Confidential Informant: Psssst... Yo dawgz we should use this Super Secret Code to outsmart those pesky pigs.
Drug Dealer #1: That's genius! The cops will never be able to catch us if we use the Super Secret Code!
Drug Dealer #2: Uhh... what if your customer is a cop? I think you're better off just using TOR+Bitcoin then you don't need to worry about getting caught. Maybe just give your customers the option to encrypt their shipping addresses.
DD#1: But the Super Secret Code uses 2048 encryption! The Feds can't see our comms brah! And if they can't see our comms they can't do shit! We're untouchable now!
Undercover CI: Yo anyone who doesn't use the Super Secret Code is a snitch or a narc. Straight up homie.
DD#2: *facepalm
While it is true that encrypting communication with a buyer or vendor who is an informant or law enforcement is a waste of time, it is not likely to be true that all buyers or vendors are informants or law enforcement.
Except you. You're definitely a narc or stooge.
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Louie is your new Crypto-Helmet made out of Aluminum foil or Tinfoil?
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WOW !!! Montell - dude - it is only now that i realize your show sucked also...
Wait I must be mistaken - u can't be the real Montell Williams as he was far more
intelligent than yourself.
Buyers beware - this clown will inevitably get u busted !!!
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While it is true that encrypting communication with a buyer or vendor who is an informant or law enforcement is a waste of time, it is not likely to be true that all buyers or vendors are informants or law enforcement.
Here's a theoretical situation: Let's say you were facing a minimum mandatory 20 year sentence and the prosecutor told you he would lower it to 5 years in exchange for your testimony against Montell Williams. Would you testify against me Louie? Would you be an informant? Are you a snitch?
Don't even bother answering because I already know the answer.
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Not using PGP cause the vendor might be LE is like not using a condom because the woman might turn round and bite your cock off anyway....it's true,ok, but thats not what it was designed to protect you from!
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Not using PGP cause the vendor might be LE is like not using a condom because the woman might turn round and bite your cock off anyway....it's true,ok, but thats not what it was designed to protect you from!
That is the best fucking analogy I've read in a long time, if you'll pardon the pun! +1! :D
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Not using PGP cause the vendor might be LE is like not using a condom because the woman might turn round and bite your cock off anyway....it's true,ok, but thats not what it was designed to protect you from!
Haha yeah +1 from me too, really made me chuckle. ;D