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Title: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: intercom on July 27, 2012, 11:22 pm
I am using Tails. As far as I know, bitcoin the application is unavailable as a package and the persistance required would simply problematic for this distro.

I have never used bitcoin so I do not have an address. Could I simply use an address generated by, say, torwallet or instawallet to receive bitcoins? The address would be first vector point before being quickly transfered out on a long circuitous route that may or may not end at SR.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: tails & bitcoin
Post by: Void on July 28, 2012, 07:34 am
I haven't used Tails yet, but I do plan to compare it to other options that are available soon enough.

I think the primary issue would be running it at all, I believe the BTC wallet program takes a bit of time to integrate itself with the network. I have no idea if that would initiate properly on Tails, but you would most likely have to reestablish bitcoin every time you use Tails. This may or may not be an issue depending on how long it takes.

Just download the bitcoin wallet and give it a test run to see how long it will take to integrate itself with the network, shut down, and then restart to see if you have to redo the process. If you're not leaving your computer up then it should be fine, just make sure you transfer the BTC out of the address before closing Tails.
Title: Re: tails & bitcoin
Post by: vlad1m1r on July 28, 2012, 01:12 pm
I am using Tails. As far as I know, bitcoin the application is unavailable as a package and the persistance required would simply problematic for this distro.

I have never used bitcoin so I do not have an address. Could I simply use an address generated by, say, torwallet or instawallet to receive bitcoins? The address would be first vector point before being quickly transfered out on a long circuitous route that may or may not end at SR.

Thoughts?

Hi buddy,

You can install your Bitcoin wallet to a USB stick in order to use it with TAILS, I have tutorial which allows you to do this here :

dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=25431.0

Alternatively you can download and install the Electrum Bitcoin client on TAILS :

http://ecdsa.org/electrum/

The first time you run it you can generate a wallet and will be given a private key to write down, do so and then whenever you run TAILS again choose the "Restore" option to get back your wallet and Bitcoins.

Hope this helps,

V.
Title: Re: tails & bitcoin
Post by: mrsDD on July 28, 2012, 01:30 pm
I am using Tails. As far as I know, bitcoin the application is unavailable as a package and the persistance required would simply problematic for this distro.

I have never used bitcoin so I do not have an address. Could I simply use an address generated by, say, torwallet or instawallet to receive bitcoins? The address would be first vector point before being quickly transfered out on a long circuitous route that may or may not end at SR.

Thoughts?

Hi buddy,

You can install your Bitcoin wallet to a USB stick in order to use it with TAILS, I have tutorial which allows you to do this here :

dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=25431.0

Alternatively you can download and install the Electrum Bitcoin client on TAILS :

http://ecdsa.org/electrum/

The first time you run it you can generate a wallet and will be given a private key to write down, do so and then whenever you run TAILS again choose the "Restore" option to get back your wallet and Bitcoins.

Hope this helps,

V.


this  is stellar vlad1n1r, i wish i could +1 for it, value information indeed.
Title: Re: tails & bitcoin
Post by: intercom on July 28, 2012, 06:08 pm
thanks

bitcoin installs & runs from my usb drive via the script, but unfortunately data is not being saved to the data folder.

is this script correct?

Quote

'/media/XXXX/bitcoin-0.6.3-linux/bin/32/bitcoin-qt'
-datadir=/media/XXXX/bitcoin-0.6.3-linux/data


/media/XXXX is where my usb is mounted.

When the bitcoin application syncs with the network, I eventually run out of space and receive an error message; I am running the tails live dvd + a 16gb thumbdrive for encrypted storage because my computer cannot boot from USB, so it seems like that data is being saved into RAM instead of the USB drive. The data folder always remains empty and everything is being saved into /amnesia/.bitcoin/ instead.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: tails & bitcoin
Post by: intercom on July 29, 2012, 09:46 pm
since the script does not seem to work and I have not been able to install the electrum client, I just want to clarify: is it possible to simply transfer bitcoins to an address generated by torwallet or instawallet (bitinstant > email/catapult > torwallet)? Or would this be a dumb idea?

Title: Re: tails & bitcoin
Post by: springseed23 on July 30, 2012, 04:45 am
I am using Tails. As far as I know, bitcoin the application is unavailable as a package and the persistance required would simply problematic for this distro.

I have never used bitcoin so I do not have an address. Could I simply use an address generated by, say, torwallet or instawallet to receive bitcoins? The address would be first vector point before being quickly transfered out on a long circuitous route that may or may not end at SR.

Thoughts?



Hi buddy,

You can install your Bitcoin wallet to a USB stick in order to use it with TAILS, I have tutorial which allows you to do this here :

dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=25431.0

Alternatively you can download and install the Electrum Bitcoin client on TAILS :

http://ecdsa.org/electrum/

The first time you run it you can generate a wallet and will be given a private key to write down, do so and then whenever you run TAILS again choose the "Restore" option to get back your wallet and Bitcoins.

Hope this helps,

V.

I love info--thanks for supplying it 1+
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: intercom on July 31, 2012, 07:52 pm
ln -s /media/XXXX/bitcoin-0.6.3-linux/data/ /home/amnesia/.bitcoin

this seems to do the trick. data is still being saving into /home but it's also being saved onto USB. If I run out of space/memory, I just restart and reload bitcoin-qt via the script. /home is erased but USB data remains.

Still downloading the blockchain [slow as hell], but I think Bitcoin on Tails might be solved.

Thanks everyone.

Title: Re: tails & bitcoin
Post by: springseed23 on August 14, 2012, 09:16 am
I am using Tails. As far as I know, bitcoin the application is unavailable as a package and the persistance required would simply problematic for this distro.

I have never used bitcoin so I do not have an address. Could I simply use an address generated by, say, torwallet or instawallet to receive bitcoins? The address would be first vector point before being quickly transfered out on a long circuitous route that may or may not end at SR.

Thoughts?

Hi buddy,

You can install your Bitcoin wallet to a USB stick in order to use it with TAILS, I have tutorial which allows you to do this here :

dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=25431.0

Alternatively you can download and install the Electrum Bitcoin client on TAILS :

http://ecdsa.org/electrum/

The first time you run it you can generate a wallet and will be given a private key to write down, do so and then whenever you run TAILS again choose the "Restore" option to get back your wallet and Bitcoins.

Hope this helps,

V.

Thanks bro-----useful tip
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: itsafuckingorange on August 17, 2012, 11:07 am
ln -s /media/XXXX/bitcoin-0.6.3-linux/data/ /home/amnesia/.bitcoin

this seems to do the trick. data is still being saving into /home but it's also being saved onto USB. If I run out of space/memory, I just restart and reload bitcoin-qt via the script. /home is erased but USB data remains.

Still downloading the blockchain [slow as hell], but I think Bitcoin on Tails might be solved.

Thanks everyone.



vlad1m1r rocks!

can anyone go into more detail on this? How can I get data saved to the USB?  I also think tails would run out of hard disk space if saving /home
Title: Re: tails & bitcoin
Post by: springseed23 on August 17, 2012, 01:32 pm
I am using Tails. As far as I know, bitcoin the application is unavailable as a package and the persistance required would simply problematic for this distro.

I have never used bitcoin so I do not have an address. Could I simply use an address generated by, say, torwallet or instawallet to receive bitcoins? The address would be first vector point before being quickly transfered out on a long circuitous route that may or may not end at SR.

Thoughts?

Hi buddy,

You can install your Bitcoin wallet to a USB stick in order to use it with TAILS, I have tutorial which allows you to do this here :

dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=25431.0

Alternatively you can download and install the Electrum Bitcoin client on TAILS :

http://ecdsa.org/electrum/

The first time you run it you can generate a wallet and will be given a private key to write down, do so and then whenever you run TAILS again choose the "Restore" option to get back your wallet and Bitcoins.

Hope this helps,

V.

forgive me---as I am no where near as technicle as you guys---I just now started running tails---and am trying to work out the wallet thing.

V.  I am not sure which Electrum version to download---This is the stuipid question---There is no version for Tails----I assumed tails was linux based, so I tried that link, but a page appeared that said no file found.

Mind offering a complete idiot in this stuff some help:}!!
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: Anti-Dumbass Club on August 18, 2012, 02:13 am
it's not neccesary to download the btc client on tails. you can use online wallets.

Send the coins from the online exchange of your choice (I love bitfloor) to another online wallet like instawallet then maybe to another online wallet of your choosing, then to your SR wallet. be sure to remember each address you use and encrypt with gedit and PGP whenever possible and use Tor when possible.
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: springseed23 on August 18, 2012, 03:10 pm
it's not neccesary to download the btc client on tails. you can use online wallets.

Send the coins from the online exchange of your choice (I love bitfloor) to another online wallet like instawallet then maybe to another online wallet of your choosing, then to your SR wallet. be sure to remember each address you use and encrypt with gedit and PGP whenever possible and use Tor when possible.

was a little worried when I saw a "anti-dumbass club"  repsonse:}, cause I feel like a dumbass when I approach some of this stuff for the first time.   I know PGP now, but I had the hardest time with it at first, but now---it is so simple, I do not even know why I had problems!!!

I can fix or build nearly anything I can touch and manipulate, except computers-----running things for the first time causes so much anxiety that I usually bake out to calm down, and get unmovitated----Damn viscious cycles!!

Thanks again for some info---I'm going to explore some of your suggestions!!!
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: aginalda on August 18, 2012, 03:38 pm
I use tails and the original bitcoin client, but not on the same computer.  I'd think using the bitcoin client on Tails would be a big hassle; wouldn't you have to download the blockchain, (through tor), every time you opened up tails before you could use your walllet?  In addition to the bitcoin client I use an online wallet called Strongcoin which seems to work out pretty well so far.  It's simple to use.  A small fee is charged for each transaction which is deducted from your bitcoin balance.,
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: springseed23 on August 19, 2012, 12:54 pm
it's not neccesary to download the btc client on tails. you can use online wallets.

Send the coins from the online exchange of your choice (I love bitfloor) to another online wallet like instawallet then maybe to another online wallet of your choosing, then to your SR wallet. be sure to remember each address you use and encrypt with gedit and PGP whenever possible and use Tor when possible.

Maybe I assumed something here------what do you mean use gedit and PGP-----do you mean while playing on SR, or do you use PGP somehow in the process of transfering coin.

I just went to instawallet----I guess the first page is a wallet that is set up----just copy url, and it is a wallet to use?

torwallet is set up this way---no?   why do people not use torwallet so much since tor seems to be "king" in security?

Yea----trying to get wallet on Tails is proving to be too difficult.

last question---and I am burning this thread up with out of topic questions---sorry!!!

Do you just save the url page as a shortcut to desktop or send url to a tor email for safe storage---or both?
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: anym on August 19, 2012, 05:57 pm
Like another poster said, no need for bitcoin wallet software. You can fund your SR account only having to register a bitcoinfog account and most importantly without ever having to not use tor.

First you want to go to bitcoinfog and register an account. ( http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion/ ). Once you've registered, take your deposit address down. Then browse  to bitinstant, make an order to fund a bitcoin address with moneygram (7-11). It will ask what address you want to fund, copy and paste your deposit address from bitcoinfog.

Go to 7-11 or wherever, and send the moneygram. Let your deposit sit for a few days so that it's properly laundered. Then transfer it to your SR account.

You've now funded your SR account properly, without ever having NOT used TOR, and letting your bitcoins get properly laundered before deposit.

Easy peasy.
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: springseed23 on August 19, 2012, 06:13 pm
Like another poster said, no need for bitcoin wallet software. You can fund your SR account only having to register a bitcoinfog account and most importantly without ever having to not use tor.

First you want to go to bitcoinfog and register an account. ( http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion/ ). Once you've registered, take your deposit address down. Then browse  to bitinstant, make an order to fund a bitcoin address with moneygram (7-11). It will ask what address you want to fund, copy and paste your deposit address from bitcoinfog.

Go to 7-11 or wherever, and send the moneygram. Let your deposit sit for a few days so that it's properly laundered. Then transfer it to your SR account.

You've now funded your SR account properly, without ever having NOT used TOR, and letting your bitcoins get properly laundered before deposit.

Easy peasy.

Hmmm.......that does sound easy peasy!!  thanks
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: anym on August 19, 2012, 06:28 pm
Like another poster said, no need for bitcoin wallet software. You can fund your SR account only having to register a bitcoinfog account and most importantly without ever having to not use tor.

First you want to go to bitcoinfog and register an account. ( http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion/ ). Once you've registered, take your deposit address down. Then browse  to bitinstant, make an order to fund a bitcoin address with moneygram (7-11). It will ask what address you want to fund, copy and paste your deposit address from bitcoinfog.

Go to 7-11 or wherever, and send the moneygram. Let your deposit sit for a few days so that it's properly laundered. Then transfer it to your SR account.

You've now funded your SR account properly, without ever having NOT used TOR, and letting your bitcoins get properly laundered before deposit.

Easy peasy.

Hmmm.......that does sound easy peasy!!  thanks

Of course! Anytime.
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: itsafuckingorange on August 20, 2012, 08:15 am
Hi,

I'd prefer to have my bitcoins stored on a USB that can be used with tails.

I guess it's like holding on to your money, you don't want someone else (ie; an online wallet) holding onto your coins.


I would like to find away to get BTC working on tails with USB..  I idea is to find away to save the block chain and BTC wallet to the encrypted USB drive with tails. You wont have to download the blockchain every time - as it SHOULD be saaved to the USB drive.

If anyone can get  vlad1m1r's guide to work - as in: not save block chain and wallet to /home on tails, but save it to the USB drive data folder.

Thanks if anyone can help!
Title: Re: using Bitcoin on Tails
Post by: springseed23 on August 20, 2012, 04:39 pm
Hi,

I'd prefer to have my bitcoins stored on a USB that can be used with tails.

I guess it's like holding on to your money, you don't want someone else (ie; an online wallet) holding onto your coins.


I would like to find away to get BTC working on tails with USB..  I idea is to find away to save the block chain and BTC wallet to the encrypted USB drive with tails. You wont have to download the blockchain every time - as it SHOULD be saaved to the USB drive.

If anyone can get  vlad1m1r's guide to work - as in: not save block chain and wallet to /home on tails, but save it to the USB drive data folder.

Thanks if anyone can help!

This is ideally----how I want to set up as well.  I want complete control and security---and this seems the safest and secure method!!

keeping my eyes on this thread