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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: alllove on June 11, 2012, 09:08 pm

Title: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: alllove on June 11, 2012, 09:08 pm
Message us on SR with the amount you want to exchange before placing your order. We may or may not approve it based on bitcoin supply. If approved (usually within 8 hours), you can go ahead and place your order and provide us with your address and amount you will be sending to the address provided to you once your order is processed.

Rate is $6.00 per bitcoin, minimum order of $100 and it must be to the nearest dollar, no coins please.

Bitcoins will always be sent within 24 hours of receiving payment but usually within the hour.

*This may be especially useful if you want to leave no paper trail and maintain your anonymity.

*The risk of losing the cash in the mail is the responsibility of the client. If your payment is not received in the mail and you can't prove delivery, a refund or bitcoins cannot be provided.

If you have any other questions feel free to send a PM on SR.

I look forward to serving you all in the SR community! :)

Here's the link to the listing: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/e2f0cdebec
Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: alllove on June 14, 2012, 05:52 pm
Anyone else think this is a good idea?
Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: DwarfSeeker on June 14, 2012, 09:18 pm
Anyone else think this is a good idea?

you are vendor, giving out an address... i'm going to give you the benefit that its not your address

someone still has to get the mail from it at some point

when the DEA/LE decide to nab this person, are you sure they wont lead LE to you? because I'm sure LE will be attempting to terrify this person with any means possible.

Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: alllove on June 15, 2012, 01:31 am
That's a good point, but I am using multiple addresses/PO boxes and I'd like to keep my client base small. I'd like to think I'm not working with snitches but who knows.
Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: vlad1m1r on June 15, 2012, 02:43 am
Anyone else think this is a good idea?

you are vendor, giving out an address... i'm going to give you the benefit that its not your address

someone still has to get the mail from it at some point

when the DEA/LE decide to nab this person, are you sure they wont lead LE to you? because I'm sure LE will be attempting to terrify this person with any means possible.

Hi Dwarfseeker,

As you may know I operate a Bitcoin service selling cash in the mail to people in the UK/Europe so I thought I'd answer this question!

The people you use to receive and bank your money do need to be trustworthy in terms of handling cash but beyond that there doesn't need to be any danger that they can lead Law Enforcement to you.

In my case at least the reasons are fairly simple:

- Receiving cash in the mail isn't illegal, nor is assisting someone to buy Bitcoins - this is the first major hurdle for Law Enforcement to overcome!
- My contact doesn't know my real name or address. I pay him in Bitcoins for his time so there's no need for names.
- When cash arrives it has a unique order reference number which I use to link it to a person's wallet address. My contact supplies me with a daily list of the amounts banked along with these numbers - he has no idea what they mean so couldn't link them to a particular BTC address or SR username even if he wanted to, which believe me he doesn't!
- The bank account into which orders are cashed is not in my own name (I'm afraid I can't go into details on here!)
- All coins are run through SR's mixer before being sent to customers. I don't know if alllove was planning on doing this but would strongly recommend it!

In the worst case scenario I know my man can stand up to being shouted at in a Police cell for a few hours - I know this because it was him who first put me on to Police interrogation techniques and how to resist them with a "wall of silence." There's also a very real financial motive for your mail handlers to remain faithful employees as you're the one issuing pay cheques!

All the best,

V.




Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: alllove on June 15, 2012, 04:46 am
Anyone else think this is a good idea?

you are vendor, giving out an address... i'm going to give you the benefit that its not your address

someone still has to get the mail from it at some point

when the DEA/LE decide to nab this person, are you sure they wont lead LE to you? because I'm sure LE will be attempting to terrify this person with any means possible.

Hi Dwarfseeker,

As you may know I operate a Bitcoin service selling cash in the mail to people in the UK/Europe so I thought I'd answer this question!

The people you use to receive and bank your money do need to be trustworthy in terms of handling cash but beyond that there doesn't need to be any danger that they can lead Law Enforcement to you.

In my case at least the reasons are fairly simple:

- Receiving cash in the mail isn't illegal, nor is assisting someone to buy Bitcoins - this is the first major hurdle for Law Enforcement to overcome!
- My contact doesn't know my real name or address. I pay him in Bitcoins for his time so there's no need for names.
- When cash arrives it has a unique order reference number which I use to link it to a person's wallet address. My contact supplies me with a daily list of the amounts banked along with these numbers - he has no idea what they mean so couldn't link them to a particular BTC address or SR username even if he wanted to, which believe me he doesn't!
- The bank account into which orders are cashed is not in my own name (I'm afraid I can't go into details on here!)
- All coins are run through SR's mixer before being sent to customers. I don't know if alllove was planning on doing this but would strongly recommend it!

In the worst case scenario I know my man can stand up to being shouted at in a Police cell for a few hours - I know this because it was him who first put me on to Police interrogation techniques and how to resist them with a "wall of silence." There's also a very real financial motive for your mail handlers to remain faithful employees as you're the one issuing pay cheques!

All the best,

V.

Thank you so much vlad1m1r that is pretty much exactly what I am trying to do, I am glad it has been working for you. I feel more confident that it will become a useful tool for users in the states. I also had the idea that "selling bitcoins" is something LE can really do anything about, whether it is through some unconventional means or not.
Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: alllove on June 16, 2012, 01:51 pm
Anyone want to take a chance with my service? My exchange rate is ~50 cents cheaper than MtGox!
Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: DwarfSeeker on June 17, 2012, 04:20 am
Anyone else think this is a good idea?

you are vendor, giving out an address... i'm going to give you the benefit that its not your address

someone still has to get the mail from it at some point

when the DEA/LE decide to nab this person, are you sure they wont lead LE to you? because I'm sure LE will be attempting to terrify this person with any means possible.

Hi Dwarfseeker,

As you may know I operate a Bitcoin service selling cash in the mail to people in the UK/Europe so I thought I'd answer this question!

The people you use to receive and bank your money do need to be trustworthy in terms of handling cash but beyond that there doesn't need to be any danger that they can lead Law Enforcement to you.

In my case at least the reasons are fairly simple:

- Receiving cash in the mail isn't illegal, nor is assisting someone to buy Bitcoins - this is the first major hurdle for Law Enforcement to overcome!
- My contact doesn't know my real name or address. I pay him in Bitcoins for his time so there's no need for names.
- When cash arrives it has a unique order reference number which I use to link it to a person's wallet address. My contact supplies me with a daily list of the amounts banked along with these numbers - he has no idea what they mean so couldn't link them to a particular BTC address or SR username even if he wanted to, which believe me he doesn't!
- The bank account into which orders are cashed is not in my own name (I'm afraid I can't go into details on here!)
- All coins are run through SR's mixer before being sent to customers. I don't know if alllove was planning on doing this but would strongly recommend it!

In the worst case scenario I know my man can stand up to being shouted at in a Police cell for a few hours - I know this because it was him who first put me on to Police interrogation techniques and how to resist them with a "wall of silence." There's also a very real financial motive for your mail handlers to remain faithful employees as you're the one issuing pay cheques!

All the best,

V.

Hello Mr. Vlad, I appreciate your response, but let me explain why there is a very very important difference between what you describe and what is going on here...

Lets make a pretend scenario here..

LE officer 'Mister Dank', orders drugs from AllLove, LE officer 'Mister Dank' makes another account and buys BTC exchange service, 'Mister Dank' now has an address of someone who sent him drugs. either AllLove or one of AllLoves associates will come by to get their money, LE places the address under 24/7 surveillance. AllLove or Associate is nabbed, now the LE know this same user sent them drugs, AllLove or Associate is now in quite a bit hot water, going to be raided and have his life turned upside down.

you don't sell drugs, at least under vlad1m1r that I know of, right? I REALLY hope you don't, at least don't admit it.. that just gives LE a dead set target to come after.  but AllLove here is basically saying 'hey I sell drugs, ill send you drugs and give you an address where you can intercept me or someone I work with'.

Even with this taken aside, I'm fairly certain in the US of A providing Money exchange services for drug transactions would land you in some serious hot water. And 'Oh I didn't know they were going to buy drugs' isn't going to get you very far in court.

Yours Truly,
DwarfSeeker
Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: 420Caps on June 17, 2012, 09:45 am
DwarfSeeker is right. I know you want to build on your current rep, but the safest thing would be to start a new account to compartmentalize yourself a bit. It's the same reason sellers should have a separate account for buying stuff.
Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: Burt Bacharach on June 17, 2012, 12:17 pm
True that.  If you are/have sold anything illegal on SR which its safe to assume you have based on the fact you have the see vendor SR icon....you done messed up an already risky plan by not starting a clean account.   
Title: Re: USD to BTC by Mail Exchange Service by alllove
Post by: alllove on June 18, 2012, 08:05 pm
Fair enough, it's the only way I can convert my BTC right now though and am planning on using a multitude of different addresses none of which are where my products are sent from or kept at.