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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: total on June 02, 2012, 10:48 pm
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Can the transfer of bc from mt.gox be traced by the LE to
1. SR?
2. specific user?
3. can then any of the purchase operations or unencrypted correspondence be recovered by LE?
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Can the transfer of bc from mt.gox be traced by the LE to
1. SR?
2. specific user?
3. can then any of the purchase operations or unencrypted correspondence be recovered by LE?
Theoretically it's possible - your major weakness is not the transfer of Bitcoins to SR but how you obtained your Bitcoins in the first place. If you used an anonymous method such as cash to buy them then it won't matter if your Bitcoin wallet address can be linked to SR.
To answer your question though, there's nothing particularly special about SR wallet addresses and analysis of the block chain by itself wouldn't allow someone to know that Bitcoins had been sent there unless there was some corroborating evidence e.g a vendor withdrew Bitcoins from their SR wallet to MtGox and then their own bank account.
V.
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btc transfers can be tied to ip addresses. so if you log in to mt gox at home (cuz gox don't let you use tor) and move the btc straight from gox to your sr account, they could tie the sr account to your ip address and thus you.
so, never go on your mt gox at home
use public wifis
move your btcs multiple times and split em up
all new gox accounts & wallets for everything, every time
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Can the transfer of bc from mt.gox be traced by the LE to
1. SR?
2. specific user?
3. can then any of the purchase operations or unencrypted correspondence be recovered by LE?
You can transfer from mt gox in clearnet (that's the only way they work) but don't send them to your SR address. Instead, send it to bitcoin fog (http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion), then from there you can, from Tor, send them to SR. It's much safer that way.
goblin
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My SR account as a bitcoin address for deposits and withdrawals, just like all users do.
Can it be traced too?
There's a thread about Tony transferring bitcoins to a wallet and a member was tracing it...... What tool was he using?
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Why would anyone have any of these things connected to your real name to begin with?
If there is no dots to connect then a picture can not be created. All people do by making mistakes like these is add one more dot to the picture. Conviction!
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Why would anyone have any of these things connected to your real name to begin with?
If there is no dots to connect then a picture can not be created. All people do by making mistakes like these is add one more dot to the picture. Conviction!
Hi Klaw,
The answer to your question is that if someone uses a traceable methods to buy BTC such as using their bank account and/or uses their own IP address which can be traced via their ISP to send coins to/from a BTC wallet then subsequent transactions can be traced throughout the block chain.
Using a mixer hugely increases your safety as does routing your wallet software through Tor and buying Bitcoins using untraceable methods like cash.
V.
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bitcoin is not illegal. you can send them where you want.
if you are selling legitimate items somewhere else, to who ever, then you can just give them your SR wallet addy. to send the coin to.
but that is already done with mixers ???
also instawallet can be accessed using TOR, last time i checked.
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bitcoin is not illegal. you can send them where you want.
if you are selling legitimate items somewhere else, to who ever, then you can just give them your SR wallet addy. to send the coin to.
but that is already done with mixers ???
also instawallet can be accessed using TOR, last time i checked.
Hi 46&2,
It's mercifully the case that buying and selling Bitcoin is not in itself illegal - however it is still illegal to buy drugs in most jurisdictions which is a common use for the currency.
As for using mixers, do you mean Bitcoins own mixer? It's important to stress that SR's own mixer is only used when withdrawing BTC from an existing SR wallet address i.e it's only any good to you when your Bitcoins reach SR.
If you do use a bank account / Western Union / other traceable method to purchase your Bitcoins I would strongly recommend running the coins through Bitcoinfog before sending them on to your SR wallet.
V.
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My SR account as a bitcoin address for deposits and withdrawals, just like all users do.
Can it be traced too?
There's a thread about Tony transferring bitcoins to a wallet and a member was tracing it...... What tool was he using?
No, I did tests (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=25674.msg274995#msg274995) and so did Vladim1r, on SR addresses and those on bitcoin fog, and it turns out that they cannot be traced. See trhe link.
goblin
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My SR account as a bitcoin address for deposits and withdrawals, just like all users do.
Can it be traced too?
There's a thread about Tony transferring bitcoins to a wallet and a member was tracing it...... What tool was he using?
No, I did tests (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=25674.msg274995#msg274995) and so did Vladim1r, on SR addresses and those on bitcoin fog, and it turns out that they cannot be traced. See trhe link.
goblin
Thanks Goblin,
It's true *withdrawals* from SR can't be traced but if you use a traceable method such as bank transfer to purchase your Bitcoins in the first place your coins can be traced as far as your SR wallet.
Moreover SR's mixer is not as safe as using one like Bitcoinfog which contains a larger number of coins and allows you to withdraw random amounts to different addresses over a period of time.
I can't emphasise the message strongly enough that these kind of problems disappear when you use an anonymous method to obtain your coins such as selling goods for Bitcoins or buying them for cash.
All the best,
V.