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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: vlad1m1r on May 24, 2012, 10:34 pm
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Dear all,
I logged in to Intersango a few moments ago to read the following message:
"Online banking with our UK bank is currently unavailable. Payments are being received however we cannot process them. This has happened before and was dealt with in a timely manner."
This is less than ideal as I had just sent a ton of cash their way!
To any of my customers who are still waiting on orders of Bitcoins rest assured I will honour them and they will be fulfilled ASAP. Fortunately I have enough Bitcoins to tide over any pending orders. If this problem persists I will switch to MtGox.
Keep calm and carry on! :-)
V.
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They seem to be having a few problems over the last while - last time because one of them was on holiday and was the only one with the password.
They seem to get things sorted though, Patrick was on skype last time and seemed quite open and honest about the whole situation..
Feel for you though Vlad - its a nightmare having money floating around with them when this sort of thing happens.
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Supposedly they knew there where problems at least three days before they posted the status update. Their communication has always been shockingly poor. No different than other exchanges to be fair. The best place to find info / status updates in bitcointalk.org. From reading their posts / what others have said, I wouldn't trust em with large sums of cash. It doesn't help their registered address is just a glorified PO BOX. I like knowing that if someone fucked me over I could hunt them down and slap my dangly balls off their chin ;D Can't do that when they hide behind fake business addresses...
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Couldn't organize a nun-shoot in a Nunnery even if they were given AK-47s and injected with hate and steroids.
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You can still make anonymous deposits to mt.gix through Barclays banks.
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^^ yeah but you can't access mt gox through tor without them getting humpty about it so that pretty much blows your anonymity.
these intersango fuckers just caught me out as well >:(
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Couldn't organize a nun-shoot in a Nunnery even if they were given AK-47s and injected with hate and steroids.
Amen to that Limetless +1
V.
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Using a VPN means I can connect to mt gox anonymously without using TOR, piggybacking on a neighbours wifi jut adds that little extra level of anonymity for the process.
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^^ yeah but you can't access mt gox through tor without them getting humpty about it so that pretty much blows your anonymity.
these intersango fuckers just caught me out as well >:(
An excellent point Raoul - personally I use SSH tunneling via Shellmix when I have to use MtGox - I actually made a choice to use Intersango due to its relative anonymity and the speed with which transactions are processed.
If I could beg everyone else's patience, I just want to say after receiving a message from a concerned investor that I am using my personal supply of Bitcoins to process pending orders at the moment - anyone who is using my investment scheme can rest assured their money never passes through Intersango.
I'll be keeping an eye on the site throughout the day and will let you all know if there are any further messages.
All the best,
V.
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i just won't use mt gox since they started getting interested in personal details. intersango were ideal but i've had this sort of issue with them twice now so open to any anonymous UK bitcoin exchange ideas? anyone? Bueller? anyone?
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Hey vlad1m1r is your investment service different to your exchange service? If so any chance of a rundown on that service.
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i just won't use mt gox since they started getting interested in personal details. intersango were ideal but i've had this sort of issue with them twice now so open to any anonymous UK bitcoin exchange ideas? anyone? Bueller? anyone?
Well I offer this service in exchange for cash in the mail! Of course sellers needn't worry as they can just obtain Bitcoins by vending goods via SR - as for me I am temporarily switching allegiances to MtGox in order to replenish my rapidly diminishing stockpile of Bitcoins but for anyone in the UK who needs Bitcoins please rest assured there is no danger of exposing your identity and I have gone to some lengths to make sure the business bank account funding the MtGox account cannot be traced back to me. I'm afraid I can't say anything more on this?
One of my investors just messaged me pointing out that if I were very mercenary I'd realise that this is probably going to increase my sales but frankly this Intersango business is proving to be a bit of a nuisance for me too! The sooner they're up and running the better.
If any of my customers are reading, Intersango trading rates are still visible and I will honour this rate for current orders. New customers please PM me for a quotation.
V.
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Hey vlad1m1r is your investment service different to your exchange service? If so any chance of a rundown on that service.
Hi UKMJ,
I did post about this when I first started on here. This service is actually my main bread and butter - quite simply the offer on the table is that if you invest up to $500 of Bitcoins over 30 days, you'll get a return of 6% (I allow some wiggle room due to the fluctuations of the Bitcoin!). At the moment I am investing in legal ventures.
When I first posted about this naturally people were interested in principle but I couldn't offer this service directly without a seller account and also investors wanted more information on where their money goes.
I do invest some of it in the precious metals market via my work but obviously I can't go into specifics(!) I also have a hefty amount of my own cash ploughed into a Bitcoin trading bot which is ticking over nicely (the GBP value of the Bitcoin is through the roof at the moment!)
A small amount of funds was invested in start up businesses on Black market Reloaded but I've since stopped doing this as it was risky and I like the idea of investing in ethical businesses - for instance one guy told me he was just selling cash for BTC as I do but started listing fradulent travelers' cheques).
Nothing much to add except to say that your investment is guaranteed and that obviously we can negotiate better rates the longer you invest and for larger sums.
At the moment I am returning investments in BTC - if you need help with money laundering I suggest you speak to Limetless - I am aware of the theory but only practice it to the extent necessary to protect mine and my client's privacy!
V.
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Cheers vlad may be something I am interested in down the road as it were.
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sorry mate, i'm not knocking your trustworthiness or anything but i'm not comfortable sending cash to anyone through the post. it's just like finalizing early and i don't do that for anyone
thanks anyway
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I just sent a bit of cash to them before I saw the notification... do you think this will be lost or should it be processed in a few days or so? I just want to make sure I don't lose anything.
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nah you'll be ok, you've just got to wait for them them to sort themselves out. give it a day and send em an email, that's what i do. happened to me a couple of months back. it's a bitch, but what you gonna do? there's nowhere else you can do this completely anonymously in the UK without having to put your trust in someone.
it's like being in fucking rehab >:(
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Mine has been like this for the past 5-6 days.
Intersango do have their act together though, I'm sure they will have this fixed by Monday. I HOPE!
Dank
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...it's like being in fucking rehab >:(
Haha, too right. I've got two shitty bitcoins to hand, an empty sack and no means of getting high on what will be a spectacularly sunny weekend. Maybe I was a little premature deleting my old dealers number when I discovered the joys of mail order weed. Doh :-\
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sorry mate, i'm not knocking your trustworthiness or anything but i'm not comfortable sending cash to anyone through the post. it's just like finalizing early and i don't do that for anyone
thanks anyway
I can understand your position, just clarifying that Intersango isn't the only way to get hold of Bitcoins anonymously - in any case since they instructed Metro Bank not to accept cash deposits, all funds are wired via a bank account in any case so it's hardly very safe.
The message can't be hammered home often enough that the only way to obtain Bitcoins anonymously is to sell goods/services or to buy them using cash - I'm not just saying this to get customers, the same holds true if you live in the US! :-D
V.
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This is somewhat off topic but my mate swears that he walked in on one of the intersango guys when they were at uni together, and found him jerking off using a crushed up chocolate cake.
I dunno whether its bullshit or not but hey, I wouldn't be surprised
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That's hilarious!
"It's like warm apple pie!". :-D
V.
This is somewhat off topic but my mate swears that he walked in on one of the intersango guys when they were at uni together, and found him jerking off using a crushed up chocolate cake.
I dunno whether its bullshit or not but hey, I wouldn't be surprised
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I have a prepaid credit card not registered to any address or name - I put cash on this at the post office then thru tor I create a payment to intersango. Occasionally it's not credited until I email them (tormail) and they say there was no reference with the deposit and credit my account after I give them details like when the deposit was made and from what card, so I'm pretty sure that's as anonymous as cash
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Intersango is a piece of dog shit ran by a blind folded chimp. Actually none of the UK banking was processing for many many days before they made that public announcement. I think they like to wait for 400 e-mails complaining before they acknowledge the problem. Probably because those announcements stop people from depositing money, and that means less £££ conveniently disappearing for an unknown time. Let's not forget the amount of money we are talking about here when we think about deposits made into their account over several days. Grands.
Even when it's functioning fine bank transfers seem to take a fucking eternity with Intersango. I really hate that company and I can't wait to get my cash withdrawn from their dirty little hands so I can take my business the fuck elsewhere. It's just incessant problems with them and their UK banks, all of the problems with Lloyds, then they say we will switch and everything will be great, and now this shit. I just hate them and their arrogance when you complain on IRC. Basically they don't give a shit.
I've been trying to withdraw my money from those thieving bastards for the last 8 days. Don't hold your breath on this matter actually getting resolved in a "timely manner" (whatever the fuck that means).
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As I said, I wish I could afford to be complacent in the face of this as I have received many new customers but Intersango have about £400 of my own money passing through their grubby mitts - let's hope as you say things are resolved soon. In the mean time, I've managed to set up another business bank account to use MtGox which I can tell you is not an easy thing to do on a weekend! :-)
V.
Intersango is a piece of dog shit ran by a blind folded chimp. Actually none of the UK banking was processing for many many days before they made that public announcement. I think they like to wait for 400 e-mails complaining before they acknowledge the problem. Probably because those announcements stop people from depositing money, and that means less £££ conveniently disappearing for an unknown time. Let's not forget the amount of money we are talking about here when we think about deposits made into their account over several days. Grands.
Even when it's functioning fine bank transfers seem to take a fucking eternity with Intersango. I really hate that company and I can't wait to get my cash withdrawn from their dirty little hands so I can take my business the fuck elsewhere. It's just incessant problems with them and their UK banks, all of the problems with Lloyds, then they say we will switch and everything will be great, and now this shit. I just hate them and their arrogance when you complain on IRC. Basically they don't give a shit.
I've been trying to withdraw my money from those thieving bastards for the last 8 days. Don't hold your breath on this matter actually getting resolved in a "timely manner" (whatever the fuck that means).
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- surely intersango are aware of SR and this forum, so where are they?!
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- surely intersango are aware of SR and this forum, so where are they?!
Would you expect them to come here?
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..i have no idea, they would probably want to distant themselves from anything SR but thats a personal choice, least anyone could direct questions or post the odd reply or solution = communication.; an SR account doesn't have to have any connection to any real person @intersango its not
a requirement i wouldnt recommend it; Patrick uses skype and IRC (apparently?!), and from posts its suggested that msg's mount up before anyone decides to act and post a public statement; i'm not suggesting anyone needs to be forced to be here and answer just would be
step towards progress.
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- further issues with regards to intersango are they are a business, and just like any Co's making public statements they would need to very
careful what is disclosed.
- we are all pretty fed up with not being able to get a bank deposit into bitcoins, and in intersango's defence they too are battling with keeping
those bank relationships going and must be a frustrating situation, we are all fighting or playing a part in the bigger war against the system, if
the banks didnt act like arseholes intersango would flourish.
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*bump* as a I have a vested interest :-\
I've heard this has happened before, does anyone have an idea of the time it took for them to sort themselves out last time?
This is so inconvenient! :(
On another note, I was expecting the BTC price to go down due to the fallen demand from Intersango's GBP order books.. but this hasn't happened at all.
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*bump* as a I have a vested interest :-\
I've heard this has happened before, does anyone have an idea of the time it took for them to sort themselves out last time?
This is so inconvenient! :(
On another note, I was expecting the BTC price to go down due to the fallen demand from Intersango's GBP order books.. but this hasn't happened at all.
It was 3.37 to the Bitcoin on Friday when this Fracas started and now it seems to have gone down to £3.30 - probably this was due to panic buying as people became worried funds would disappear from their Intersango accounts.
I have just seen this thread on the Bitcointalk forums where one of the users was able to raise one of the Intersango admins:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83531.msg920446#msg920446
It would seem the problem is technical and they hope to have it fixed within a couple of days. As you can imagine I have a vested interest in this too, so will post further updates as and when they become available.
All the best,
V.
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They're still down... it's been more than a few days now. Think I might get in touch with their customer services, and switch to another Bitcoin provider in future. >:(
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*bump* as a I have a vested interest :-\
I've heard this has happened before, does anyone have an idea of the time it took for them to sort themselves out last time?
This is so inconvenient! :(
On another note, I was expecting the BTC price to go down due to the fallen demand from Intersango's GBP order books.. but this hasn't happened at all.
I would highly doubt Intersango's volume to be a book changer.
If you was talking about MtGox.......
Dank
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Intersango update - back to normal now and they say if it should happen ( technical prob)again they should be able to resolve it quickly from experience gained this time just bought my coins today at 2pm hapy trading guys x
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WOOHOO! Back up. got my coins and i'm gonna get FUCKED UP this weekend :)
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Well then, what are some other sites that offer deposits to a UK bank account?
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Well then, what are some other sites that offer deposits to a UK bank account?
Thanks all, please see below official announcement from Intersango:
"As you may have noticed, we experienced a technical issue accessing our UK bank. We are sorry for the recent delays this has caused. Everything has been fixed and is operating normally as of this morning. We are also confident that if a similar problem arises again we will be able to fix it faster due to our recent experience. Thank you for your patience. "
I am pleased to say my Bitcoin service is running under full steam once again!
@Lex, using a bank account means the purchase of Bitcoins can be traced to you although you will hugely reduce the chance of this happening if you deposit cash. MtGox do permit this through their Barclays account but Intersango does not. As you know you can't connect to the MtGox website via Tor or public proxies without being asked to verify your identity either.
I accept Bitcoins for cash in the mail which is much safer than either wiring money from your bank account or using cash with MtGox, please see my link below if you're interested.
All the best,
V.
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Got my funds cleared by Intersango too ;D
Well then, what are some other sites that offer deposits to a UK bank account?
Try mtgox.com like Vlad suggested. And don't access the site via Tor or you'll get locked out of your account until you send them ID. That said, I've just put some money through them via their barclays account (online transfer). My funds cleared in under a day. I used Instawallet to move my ฿ from my mtgox a/c to my SR a/c.
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Got my funds cleared by Intersango too ;D
Well then, what are some other sites that offer deposits to a UK bank account?
Try mtgox.com like Vlad suggested. And don't access the site via Tor or you'll get locked out of your account until you send them ID. That said, I've just put some money through them via their barclays account (online transfer). My funds cleared in under a day. I used Instawallet to move my ฿ from my mtgox a/c to my SR a/c.
Thanks BDF - as I said it would be possible for someone with access to MtGox's records to detect your purchase under these circumstances, so I strongly recommend you run through your coins through a mixer if you're going to buy them in this way. The only truly safe ways to get Bitcoins is to buy them for cash or sell products/services in exchange for them - I am not just saying this just because I offer this service, please feel free to ask around! :)
V.
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I strongly recommend you run through your coins through a mixer if you're going to buy them in this way.
Doh, I thought using Instawallet would add a layer of concealment. That said, I'm pretty nonchalant when in comes to my SR security. I normally just ping my ฿ straight from my Intersango a/c into my SR a/c. Bad, bad BDF :-[
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I strongly recommend you run through your coins through a mixer if you're going to buy them in this way.
Doh, I thought using Instawallet would add a layer of concealment. That said, I'm pretty nonchalant when in comes to my SR security. I normally just ping my ฿ straight from my Intersango a/c into my SR a/c. Bad, bad BDF :-[
The nature of the Bitcoin network is that if you can link the identity of a user to a particular Bitcoin address you can trace any funds they've sent or received from that particular wallet - this is true whether you move the coins through 2 or 200 wallets although splitting up the funds between several wallets can help add a layer of obfuscation.
Bitcoin mixers if used properly hugely increase your privacy as your coins are swapped around with those of other users. Having said this if it's possible to prove you deposited a certain amount of BTC into Bitcoinfog for instance and then a few days later a similar amount leaves the "fog" then it still might be possible to trace the transaction - so make sure you use Bitcoinfog's settings to withdraw random amounts over longer periods of time. You can also run your coins more than once through a mixer to give you extra security. It'll cost you between 1 and 3% each time you do.
..Or of course you can just buy them with cash and save yourself the trouble! :-D
V.
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Got my funds cleared by Intersango too ;D
Well then, what are some other sites that offer deposits to a UK bank account?
Try mtgox.com like Vlad suggested. And don't access the site via Tor or you'll get locked out of your account until you send them ID. That said, I've just put some money through them via their barclays account (online transfer). My funds cleared in under a day. I used Instawallet to move my ฿ from my mtgox a/c to my SR a/c.
Thanks BDF - as I said it would be possible for someone with access to MtGox's records to detect your purchase under these circumstances, so I strongly recommend you run through your coins through a mixer if you're going to buy them in this way. The only truly safe ways to get Bitcoins is to buy them for cash or sell products/services in exchange for them - I am not just saying this just because I offer this service, please feel free to ask around! :)
V.
I don't care about all that shit. I sell drugs then send the coins direct from SR to Intersango to bank account. You guys can waste your time with all that paranoia personally I'm not scared of the police.
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Got my funds cleared by Intersango too ;D
Well then, what are some other sites that offer deposits to a UK bank account?
Try mtgox.com like Vlad suggested. And don't access the site via Tor or you'll get locked out of your account until you send them ID. That said, I've just put some money through them via their barclays account (online transfer). My funds cleared in under a day. I used Instawallet to move my ฿ from my mtgox a/c to my SR a/c.
Mtgox? Why the fuck would I use them? The guy made tens of thousands of dollars on a daily basis yet had his site so poorly coded that someone was able to inject it, then my privacy gets raped by my fucking e-mail address and personal information getting sprayed around the internet.... Honestly it's just mind boggling to me that you sheep are still using that site for one second.
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Fucking hell Lex, I just read your 2 posts above with Bender's voice narrating that shit ;D ;D ;D <---(His avatar is an angry Bender at the mo, just in case he changes it...)
That said, in your first post you declare "I don't care about all that shit. I sell drugs then send the coins direct from SR to Intersango to bank account".
Then you say "Mtgox? Why the fuck would I use them? ....my privacy gets raped by fucking...fucking gay ass squirrels..."
Ah man this site provides me with some proper giggles ;D
Keep it up chaps. This stoned monkey needs more amusements. More!!!
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Fucking hell Lex, I just read your 2 posts above with Bender's voice narrating that shit ;D ;D ;D <---(His avatar is an angry Bender at the mo, just in case he changes it...)
That said, in your first post you declare "I don't care about all that shit. I sell drugs then send the coins direct from SR to Intersango to bank account".
Then you say "Mtgox? Why the fuck would I use them? ....my privacy gets raped by fucking...fucking gay ass squirrels..."
Ah man this site provides me with some proper giggles ;D
Keep it up chaps. This stoned monkey needs more amusements. More!!!
Thanks BDF I spotted this slight inconsistency myself - +1 to you for an amusing post!
If you regularly pay large amounts in your bank account it won't matter if you're afraid of the Police or not. Your bank will file a Suspicious Activity Report and the provenance of the money will be investigated. If you need advice on laundering your funds I'd suggested you contact Limetless who has more practical experience layering dirty money than I do! :-)
V.
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Hooray! Intersango are back up and running! I think there customer service throughout this has been terrible. I am looking into other bitcoin markets at the moment (advice? for UK investor?).
By the way, can someone see (in the public chain) if you are using Bitfog or other tumbling websites?
Anyway, got my coins now! Let's SPEND, SPEND, SPEND!
Long live Silk Road!
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Fucking hell Lex, I just read your 2 posts above with Bender's voice narrating that shit ;D ;D ;D <---(His avatar is an angry Bender at the mo, just in case he changes it...)
That said, in your first post you declare "I don't care about all that shit. I sell drugs then send the coins direct from SR to Intersango to bank account".
Then you say "Mtgox? Why the fuck would I use them? ....my privacy gets raped by fucking...fucking gay ass squirrels..."
Ah man this site provides me with some proper giggles ;D
Keep it up chaps. This stoned monkey needs more amusements. More!!!
Thanks BDF I spotted this slight inconsistency myself
They're two different things altogether. Mtgox had personal information plastered everywhere for anyone to see, including those (specifically government entities) who may already have an interest in that sort of thing. When you talk about mitigating the risk of the coins being traced to you, that's fine I'm just saying the chance anything will happen even without extra precautions is negligible so I'm not going to waste my time with it. Time is money.
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Hooray! Intersango are back up and running! I think there customer service throughout this has been terrible. I am looking into other bitcoin markets at the moment (advice? for UK investor?).
I sell/buy Bitcoins for cash, feel free to send me a message! :-D
By the way, can someone see (in the public chain) if you are using Bitfog or other tumbling websites?
It's possible if a certain amount of BTC is monitored going in and a similar amount is withdrawn almost immediately. You can reduce the likelihood of someone knowing you're using a tumbler by using the settings on Bitcoinfog to withdraw random amounts over a longer period of time, as well as tumbling your coins more than once.
Long live Silk Road!
Amen to that brother!
V.
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ah wicked i was looking to get coins myself but look how much they went up! i wonder if its coz of all the people pending on orders then a surge once it was back up n running?? i might wait a day n see if they go back down as over a couple of hundred quid, it can be a bit of a difference!!
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Goddamn Intersango, get ya shit together!
I transferred some money over on Friday into my Intersango A/C. And once again they are having problems with their bank. I sent them another whiny-little-bitch support ticket and they 'standard replied' my ass, something about problems sending out cash? No mention about receiving payments. Anyone else got problems putting money into Intersango at the mo?
I goddamn should've stuck with Mtgox. Idiot me. Last time Intersango get my cash. Probably. I really need to try Vlad's 'cash to coin' service. Would mean having to trek to the post office. And I'm a lazy fucker...
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Goddamn Intersango, get ya shit together!
I transferred some money over on Friday into my Intersango A/C. And once again they are having problems with their bank. I sent them another whiny-little-bitch support ticket and they 'standard replied' my ass, something about problems sending out cash? No mention about receiving payments. Anyone else got problems putting money into Intersango at the mo?
I goddamn should've stuck with Mtgox. Idiot me. Last time Intersango get my cash. Probably. I really need to try Vlad's 'cash to coin' service. Would mean having to trek to the post office. And I'm a lazy fucker...
...Not necessarily, just buy a stamp next time you're at a convenience store stocking up on essentials of life, like wine and beer and drop it in the post box! :-D For larger amounts I would recommend using RM Special Delivery though.
V.
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Fucking hell Lex, I just read your 2 posts above with Bender's voice narrating that shit ;D ;D ;D <---(His avatar is an angry Bender at the mo, just in case he changes it...)
That said, in your first post you declare "I don't care about all that shit. I sell drugs then send the coins direct from SR to Intersango to bank account".
Then you say "Mtgox? Why the fuck would I use them? ....my privacy gets raped by fucking...fucking gay ass squirrels..."
Ah man this site provides me with some proper giggles ;D
Keep it up chaps. This stoned monkey needs more amusements. More!!!
I pointed out the problems with Intersango's setup a long time ago in this thread
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=24736.0
Some people replied saying "I just used it and its fine"
My point was always that when it works, it works well but when there is a problem Intersango will not deal with it promptly.
As a result I dont use them anymore.
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Goddamn Intersango, get ya shit together!
I transferred some money over on Friday into my Intersango A/C. And once again they are having problems with their bank. I sent them another whiny-little-bitch support ticket and they 'standard replied' my ass, something about problems sending out cash? No mention about receiving payments. Anyone else got problems putting money into Intersango at the mo?
I goddamn should've stuck with Mtgox. Idiot me. Last time Intersango get my cash. Probably. I really need to try Vlad's 'cash to coin' service. Would mean having to trek to the post office. And I'm a lazy fucker...
Exactly the same experience for me - thought I'd try Intersango again (after using MTG for a while) on Friday. Still waiting for the cash to reach my a/c now, three days later. Intersango should not be in business and I am kicking myself for thinking they would have sorted their shit out by now.
Never again.
NM
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Goddamn Intersango, get ya shit together!
I transferred some money over on Friday into my Intersango A/C. And once again they are having problems with their bank. I sent them another whiny-little-bitch support ticket and they 'standard replied' my ass, something about problems sending out cash? No mention about receiving payments. Anyone else got problems putting money into Intersango at the mo?
I goddamn should've stuck with Mtgox. Idiot me. Last time Intersango get my cash. Probably. I really need to try Vlad's 'cash to coin' service. Would mean having to trek to the post office. And I'm a lazy fucker...
Exactly the same experience for me - thought I'd try Intersango again (after using MTG for a while) on Friday. Still waiting for the cash to reach my a/c now, three days later. Intersango should not be in business and I am kicking myself for thinking they would have sorted their shit out by now.
Never again.
NM
Same deal for me. On another forum Intersango spent a few days denying the problem existed, they have today admitted it with this response:
"There are transfers into the account today.
However far fewer than would normally be expected.
So something is wrong there."
Not very informative, and I find the unapologetic tone of their last comment to be slightly arrogant. I will try to avoid using them in future.
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Yeah i actually registered on the forum just to complain about this, fairly new to the road but recently switched from mtgox to intersango had two fast trouble free transactions and now also been waiting from friday. Have contacted them and heard nothing back is there a chance the money could be fully lost if they can't register the transfer or do they have a obligation to at least refund any money sent to the account they use?
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intersango and mt gox are shite,both are very hit and miss,also the option of depositing cash has been withdrawn so a no no for me
looks like i will be using a certain members cash in the post service,seems the best way froward for uk
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intersango and mt gox are shite,both are very hit and miss,also the option of depositing cash has been withdrawn so a no no for me
looks like i will be using a certain members cash in the post service,seems the best way froward for uk
Thanks GoanGod,
In the mean time I want to reassure my customers (both present and future!) that after Intersango dragged their heels for the first time I obtained an emergency reserve of 300 or so Bitcoins in order to process all pending orders.
I think some users believe that because I use Interango's rates to calculate how many Bitcoins they'll receive that this is the only way I have to get hold of Bitcoins - rest assured if you place an order through my service it will be processed as normal! :-)
Anyone who wants to use my service to obtains Bitcoins safely within 2-3 working days, please feel free to visit my listing and follow the steps there:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/57b32a1924
All the best,
V.
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Fuck Intersango!, I sent over £40 yesterday and having a good history with them I thought it'd be in within a few hours, I come to check it today and still nothing so I think to myself lets check support to see how long it takes and it says this:
"Metro Bank (UK) Technical error on Metro interface. Technical error on Metro interface."
Why the fuck don't they put that shit on the homepage, had they done so I would have used a different service and would probably have my bitcoins now, no acid for me this weekend :(
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put in some money sunday night and still havnt heard anything back, no warnings on their site at the time but now they say there is deposit problems, bastards.
wanted some meph for this weekend, cant do it now :(
stay the fuck away from intersango now and the future, i am never using them again after this problem they have, fuck them assholes.
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I've just been reading on a few other Bitcoin forums and it seems a lot of people are suggesting Intersango is becoming insolvent. I'm sure Vlad1m1r could shed more light on this situation from his financial perspective, but it seems to be true.
I use metro bank for business the same as Intersango and everything is working fine, there's no "interface errors" or whatever Intersango are currently using as an excuse.
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I've just been reading on a few other Bitcoin forums and it seems a lot of people are suggesting Intersango is becoming insolvent. I'm sure Vlad1m1r could shed more light on this situation from his financial perspective, but it seems to be true.
I use metro bank for business the same as Intersango and everything is working fine, there's no "interface errors" or whatever Intersango are currently using as an excuse.
Yeah....that's because the people that run Sang prefer playing World of Warcraft than making money.
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Copy and pasted from their site - It's broken, we knows it's broken, metro knows it's broken, no we dont know when it will be fixed. - WTF is that all about. How un-fucking professional. Cunts indeed.
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Just thought I'd update you on the latest from Intersango's support page re: the Metro Bank:
It's broken, we knows it's broken, metro knows it's broken, no we dont know when it will be fixed.
I don't think the acronym WTF was every more appropriately applied.
The good news for all of you is that the GPB 400 I wired to Intersango on Monday was my own money so although I have been royally shafted, everyone's orders are safe!
A small quote from their website:
"We can safely claim to be the only exchange that is developed by bitcoin developers. We have a long trusted history of honest, secure and safe operations within the exchange market. "
(Source : https://intersango.com/about-us.php)
As you can see the same page gives the names of the CEO, CTO and developer as well as their registered office address.
I think it's high time we had someone pay Messers. Strateman, Norman and Taaki a little visit don't you gentlemen? Perhaps that might encourage them to be a little less blase about our money? I think we deserve a few answers.
Anyone with me?
V.
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Copy and pasted from their site - It's broken, we knows it's broken, metro knows it's broken, no we dont know when it will be fixed. - WTF is that all about. How un-fucking professional. Cunts indeed.
Their forum posts, translated from "Intersango speak" to plain English:
- It's not broken, must be a customer error/bank error/fraud attempt/act of god.
- Ok, withdrawals might be broken but only because of Metro. Deposits still work.
- Actually, deposits are missing too, how odd. Oh well.
- Some withdrawals were "accidentally" marked as sent. If you have a problem with this, please wait 2 days before complaining.
- Don't try contacting Metro, they are of course incompetent/liars and won't confirm Intersango's claims.
They keep talking about withdrawals and avoid the deposit issue. Maybe that's to avoid the question of why they can't just check and credit accounts manually?
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As you can see the same page gives the names of the CEO, CTO and developer as well as their registered office address.
I think it's high time we had someone pay Messers. Strateman, Norman and Taaki a little visit don't you gentlemen? Perhaps that might encourage them to be a little less blase about our money? I think we deserve a few answers.
Anyone with me?
V.
Unfortunately their registered address is actually a mail drop rented for business use.
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As you can see the same page gives the names of the CEO, CTO and developer as well as their registered office address.
I think it's high time we had someone pay Messers. Strateman, Norman and Taaki a little visit don't you gentlemen? Perhaps that might encourage them to be a little less blase about our money? I think we deserve a few answers.
Anyone with me?
V.
Unfortunately their registered address is actually a mail drop rented for business use.
That's a shame.
V.
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The latest update (God give me strength) :
"While we were previously under the impression that the problems we were having with Metro bank were due to a technical issue on their end (as this has happened before), we have been told that our account activity is being reviewed and that we must be patient during this process. We have faith that our contact at Metro bank will properly investigate the matter. They have indicated that they do not require information from us at this time. The resolution time we were given was around 1 week, however this is just an approximation.
We apologise for the inconvenience this has caused our userbase. We are doing everything we can to resolve the problem as fast as possible. In the future, we may not be able to accept payments quite as fast anymore to prevent fraud however we will work hard to decrease our resolution times for issues and make the experience of purchasing and selling bitcoins as easy for the UK as possible.
We understand that many people have called Metro bank and Metro has told them that there is no issue. This is entirely incorrect. We believe it in not intentional it is simply that their support staff assumes that if there is not an issue affecting all accounts or a huge number of accounts at the bank that there is not an issue with our account."
My own bank would only freeze an account in response to a court order as far as I know. Metro either do things a little differently or Intersango are about to be dragged off in chains.
Incidentally anyone who ever wondered why you should bother paying for my service rather than going to an exchange you'll find the answer above /\...
I need a lie down...
V.
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Beat me to it vlad1m1r. All I can say to Intersango is Sit and Swivel. Unsure if I'll get my money back but either way I can say I won't be using those silly cunts ever again.
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Fuck ive just transfered funds
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My own bank would only freeze an account in response to a court order as far as I know. Metro either do things a little differently or Intersango are about to be dragged off in chains.
Even if it were frozen, would they not have noticed or been informed of it a bit earlier than today?
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My own bank would only freeze an account in response to a court order as far as I know. Metro either do things a little differently or Intersango are about to be dragged off in chains.
Even if it were frozen, would they not have noticed or been informed of it a bit earlier than today?
+1 on this.
Why aren't they doing anything to stop further deposits?
Don't they have the funds to make right their customers?
Fuck em! Best get my money back. Fuckin Festivals coming up and I need my medicines!
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My own bank would only freeze an account in response to a court order as far as I know. Metro either do things a little differently or Intersango are about to be dragged off in chains.
Even if it were frozen, would they not have noticed or been informed of it a bit earlier than today?
None of this makes sense ; you see we're expressly forbidden under UK law to say when a client's account is under investigation... the only time a person's assets can be frozen is when there's proof that the money is dirty - which in the nature of things would be near nigh impossible surely?
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You know if this is only effecting withdrawals or all uk payments? The message I read was pretty unclear
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Couldn't you start your own online bitcoin site Vladimir? Seems you could do a better job than intersango!
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All the excuses so far seem to have served the purpose of buying them time, and this account investigation looks no different with their stated one week (maybe) delay.
You know if this is only effecting withdrawals or all uk payments? The message I read was pretty unclear
All payments I think, although it isn't entirely clear as to why this is the case.
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It's a charming idea Orinoko but the instant I start an exchange as they've done, I'd have to register a business bank account and the advantage to you, my cherished customers, of obtaining your Bitcoins in total anonymity would be lost as my arcane network of accounts I use to obtain my Bitcoins wouldn't stand up to that kind of scrutiny :-)
Having said this I would be very interested in speaking to any vendors in the UK/EU who would be interested in selling their Bitcoins for cash as I want to have a beef up my emergency supply in case these problems with Intersango continue. I am currently doing this with two vendors in the EU where they send me Bitcoins they want sold and I mail them a fat wad of cash once a week, it's a very tidy arrangement and you don't have to rely on god awful banks... ;-)
V.
Couldn't you start your own online bitcoin site Vladimir? Seems you could do a better job than intersango!
Even if it were frozen, would they not have noticed or been informed of it a bit earlier than today?
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None of this makes sense ; you see we're expressly forbidden under UK law to say when a client's account is under investigation... the only time a person's assets can be frozen is when there's proof that the money is dirty - which in the nature of things would be near nigh impossible surely?
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Takes alot of trust on my part if im sending you cash, you seem like a straight up guy who alot on here vouch for but sending cash is alot to ask! :o
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Excuse me but mother fuckers! They should suspend all services till its resolved imagine letting people drop cash in their accounts and enjoy the interest it gains till they sort their shit! Vlad do u just exchange btc for the mt gox rate? Whats your fee?
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Takes alot of trust on my part if im sending you cash, you seem like a straight up guy who alot on here vouch for but sending cash is alot to ask! :o
Would you rather trust Intersango with your money? /\ :-D
Sorry, I'm being very cheeky!
I have a review thread here where some kind hearted previous customers have left their reviews of my service:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=22148.0
You're also welcome to view my feedback on my vendor profile here :
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/fd0c880f14
I realise that it does take trust to order Bitcoins in this way but as you've seen from the comments above I am now handling thousands of pounds worth of cash every week (indeed in my day job I handle considerably more!) I've always dealt fairly with my clients partly out of professional pride but also for the very real reason that if I ripped off anyone my reputation would be shattered for good!
I now operate my service entirely through SR so you can "Buy" a listing (it doesn't actually cost anything) and you'll have the opportunity to leave feedback to say how satisfied you were with the service.
Do let me know if you have any further questions.
V.
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Excuse me but mother fuckers! They should suspend all services till its resolved imagine letting people drop cash in their accounts and enjoy the interest it gains till they sort their shit! Vlad do u just exchange btc for the mt gox rate? Whats your fee?
Hi Mazzarmazzar,
I deduct a small commission from the amount you send, full details here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=22148.0
Apologies to everyone else, I didn't start this thread to advertise my service but at the moment it seems to be one of the few ways to buy Bitcoins with cash!
Thanks,
V.
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After advising people to open support tickets, Intersango have now closed all GBP-related tickets as "tickets regarding GBP payments have become unmanageable (due to the volume created by this incident)".
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Hi i am fairly new to silk road and have been using intersango to purchase bitcoins on all my transactions so far and never had a problem until now. Last night i transferred £100 to intersango. I didnt know anything about the problems they were having and think they are a disgrace for still taking payment, What i want to know is Will this money show up on the my intersango account when they sorted there problems if not will i get a refund. thanks
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Hi i am fairly new to silk road and have been using intersango to purchase bitcoins on all my transactions so far and never had a problem until now. Last night i transferred £100 to intersango. I didnt know anything about the problems they were having and think they are a disgrace for still taking payment, What i want to know is Will this money show up on the my intersango account when they sorted there problems if not will i get a refund. thanks
I wouldn't hold your breath Dan - they've claimed it will take a week to get things sorted. Speaking cynically that's exactly how long they'd also need to get their affairs in order, move their money out of the country and catch a flight to Brazil too. I'm sure it's a coincidence.
Feel free to send me a message if you need Bitcoins in future!
V.
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if anyone in uk needs any coins for a small order quick i have 7.9 coins i want out and ukash is perfect for me as im a gambler and need the coin and intersango is taking the complete piss out of people dont send or withdraw u wont get shit
let me know and i can do it as soon as u can get ukash ,obviously u have to trust me but im really not here to scam people out of £30 ish ,ive ordered and this is change
if u dont trust me and u can get someone i trust like vlad or lim ill send them the coins 1st and when i put the money in my betting account ill tell them to realise funds .u will have to find someone willing to do that though
how long does mt take to verify your bank details ive never withdrawn from there and 2 days still verifiying
dont buy ukash before speaking to me i dont want someone getting stuck with a voucher if there already gone
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Hi i am fairly new to silk road and have been using intersango to purchase bitcoins on all my transactions so far and never had a problem until now. Last night i transferred £100 to intersango. I didnt know anything about the problems they were having and think they are a disgrace for still taking payment, What i want to know is Will this money show up on the my intersango account when they sorted there problems if not will i get a refund. thanks
they have had problems before but always sorted it but im getting a bad vibe this time patrik normally really helpful dosnt have any ansers on skype and a lot of people on other forums saying there going to get sued or some shit but im no expert .they do talk a lot of shit and never put warnings up on there site just let u withdraw and deposit knowing they wont go through which is bullshit
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New support message from Intersango:
While we were previously under the impression that the problems we were having with Metro bank were due to a technical issue on their end (as this has happened before), we have been told that our account activity is being reviewed and that we must be patient during this process. We have faith that our contact at Metro bank will properly investigate the matter. They have indicated that they do not require information from us at this time. The resolution time we were given was around 1 week, however this is just an approximation.
We apologise for the inconvenience this has caused our userbase. We are doing everything we can to resolve the problem as fast as possible. In the future, we may not be able to accept payments quite as fast anymore to prevent fraud however we will work hard to decrease our resolution times for issues and make the experience of purchasing and selling bitcoins as easy for the UK as possible.
We understand that many people have called Metro bank and Metro has told them that there is no issue. This is entirely incorrect. We believe it in not intentional it is simply that their support staff assumes that if there is not an issue affecting all accounts or a huge number of accounts at the bank that there is not an issue with our account.
Yep it's definitely over for them now.
No account goes under "activity review". The bank shut you down or allow you to carry on.
As to their "inside contact" oh pleeeease. What are they? Friends with the bank manager? I use Metro Bank and it's a tiny company, they don't have any contacts there, unless it's someone working in their call center in the loft (roof room) of their Holborn branch.
Get your money out now!
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Luckily they only have £25 of my money but their attitude has been atrocious.
At first on bitcoin talk they said " if your deposit hasn't showed up you must of fucked up the reference number".
Now they are trying to say Metro have stopped processing their transactions. I don't know much about finance but it seems unlikely that a bank would do this to a business without warning? Because obviously it would fuck the business totally destroying its reputation?
Whatever the outcome I predict that your bitcoins/cash business is going to experience a surge Vlad1m1r! :-)
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I used them for the first time on Friday. Literally the first time I had bough bitcoins. I sensed all was not well and tried mtgox too. The latter was fine. I doubt I'll see the other £15 again.
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Is there a good / any reason to suspect that intersango are insolvent?
I'm worried about the no withdrawl from 26th-30th July thing thou is there any reason for this given?
Is it likely that bank investigation will freeze their funds in metrobank and anyone with money on there will simply have to provide details of the bank xfer to intersango to possibly retrieve it?
I've been reading alot on various forums and I'm not really sure what to make of this, there does not seem much substance to the above claims but its still worrying whats happening.
Obv their response has been terrible.
Im kinda shittin myself now.
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it might say no withdrawells from 26th but lets be serious there hasnt been any for at least a week and may be longer but i know 1 was done last monday still aint here and says sent and the inter dude on forum says yes i did press the button by mistake on a few uk withdrawells which marked sent so u carnt cancell
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has there not been issues before with intersango that were resolved?
I am weighing up whether to just give up waiting each day and just re up bit coins with someone else or if its possible that this will get cleared up.
Either way this fucking sucks and is just fucking me right off.
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The no withdrawals from 26-30 th has being posted on their page for a month; they knew about it. I think it is separate from the current problems I don't know tho. There are some wild accusations going round forums, about the Britcoinicca fiasco. I don't know the details of that and what intersangos role was...wish I had payed morerr attention.
One thing I noticed was people complaining that they had lost 1000's of bitcoins. It makes me wonder why they were entrusting their life savings to a third party like that. Surely the beauty of bitcoins is you can take care of them yourself? If I had that much bitcoin it would be in offline cold wallets.
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I'm absolutely terrified and mystified by this situation. Not sure what to think. Maybe this has all been created by the panic on here.
What I aren't imagine is if UK Law Enforcement have got to at their account at Metro Bank, which could be an even more worrying situation. I daren't even think about it.
You can still register on the site and deposit to their UK account. The only mention of the problems is on the support page.
What I daren't imagine is if UK LE have got to at their account Metro Bank, which could be an even more worrying situation. I daren't even think aaout it.
Managed to raise a ticket earlier, got closed almost imediately and I got this reply below. At least they are actually making an attempt to reply to some messages.
Best case scenario is its one of their blips they occasionally have, but social engineering has completely overwhelmed their support services. Just Google "Intersango Scam" and most of the clearnet forums are talking them down too and google already have them near the top.
They seem to have stopped trading all currencies just before midnight GMT last night. So its looking very serious to me.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/intrsngGBP#rg2ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
Wonder what Metro Bank would have to say about it doubt their customer services would even know about it if they had been investigating by LE. Wonder how bigger deal for them it would be if they went under.
Hi,
Please read our statement regarding the current GBP payment issues. The issues have effected some of the payments in and have suspended the payments out. The statement can be found on our support page.
https://support.intersango.com/
We are very sorry for the inconveniences this has caused and are doing everything we can. Because tickets regarding GBP payments have become unmanageable (due to the volume created by this incident) we will be closing all GBP tickets. We will be updating the notice as we learn more information. Once the issue has been resolved, we will be happy to address the GBP issues and encourage you to reopen your ticket if there is still an issue with your payment. Again, we are greatly sorry for the inconveniences this has caused our userbase.
Part of the very reason we feel so strongly about bitcoins is due to banking issues like these. Still we are confident that Metro bank will resolve the issue in an appropriate manner.
Sincerely,
Team Intersango
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I'm absolutely terrified and mystified by this situation. Not sure what to think. Maybe this has all been created by the panic on here.
What I aren't imagine is if UK Law Enforcement have got to at their account at Metro Bank, which could be an even more worrying situation. I daren't even think about it.
You can still register on the site and deposit to their UK account. The only mention of the problems is on the support page.
What I daren't imagine is if UK LE have got to at their account Metro Bank, which could be an even more worrying situation. I daren't even think aaout it.
Managed to raise a ticket earlier, got closed almost imediately and I got this reply below. At least they are actually making an attempt to reply to some messages.
Best case scenario is its one of their blips they occasionally have, but social engineering has completely overwhelmed their support services. Just Google "Intersango Scam" and most of the clearnet forums are talking them down too and google already have them near the top.
They seem to have stopped trading all currencies just before midnight GMT last night. So its looking very serious to me.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/intrsngGBP#rg2ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
Wonder what Metro Bank would have to say about it doubt their customer services would even know about it if they had been investigating by LE. Wonder how bigger deal for them it would be if they went under.
Hi,
Please read our statement regarding the current GBP payment issues. The issues have effected some of the payments in and have suspended the payments out. The statement can be found on our support page.
https://support.intersango.com/
We are very sorry for the inconveniences this has caused and are doing everything we can. Because tickets regarding GBP payments have become unmanageable (due to the volume created by this incident) we will be closing all GBP tickets. We will be updating the notice as we learn more information. Once the issue has been resolved, we will be happy to address the GBP issues and encourage you to reopen your ticket if there is still an issue with your payment. Again, we are greatly sorry for the inconveniences this has caused our userbase.
Part of the very reason we feel so strongly about bitcoins is due to banking issues like these. Still we are confident that Metro bank will resolve the issue in an appropriate manner.
Sincerely,
Team Intersango
with the many personal experiences i had with UK LE, i can safely safe they are a bunch of stupid and lazy morons who couldnt even gt their head round the bitcoin system to start with
besides with 20% funding cuts they dont have the resources or time to apprehend metro bank for anything, people should chill the fuck out,
its intersango being incompetent as always i once had a chat with patrick strateman about why the withdrawals are being delayed EVERY single time and guess what the reply was - they had personal life issues, so obliviously they are not serious about what they do
im seriously considering running my own exchange website, because i can provide a much better service then those arsholes
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So pissed off right now only my third time using them, First two times were fine now third time the biggest amount of money i have transferred and this happens hope this gets sorted and i get my money credited to my account.
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Exactly how reputable company are they? I thought they had a big chunk of the UK market and had been around for ages?
Did find this at companies house but not sure if it relates to them:
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/0f79b1422c0e939cff05c862a5df5e00/compdetails
Accounts return due 25/07/2012 lol.
I'm trying to stay positive.... But my gut feeling is bad. Does Ockam's Razor apply here?
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intersango are shite at the best of times,i cant believe peeps are using intersango who do not accept cash over the counter deposits,wire transfer only,so basically they have all your details,imho this is bad practice,those fuckers would not hesitate to co-operate with the filth and hand over details of anyone to them at there request
sharpen up your practices and dont use mtgox or intersango if your in the uk
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intersango are shite at the best of times,i cant believe peeps are using intersango who do not accept cash over the counter deposits,wire transfer only,so basically they have all your details,imho this is bad practice,those fuckers would not hesitate to co-operate with the filth and hand over details of anyone to them at there request
sharpen up your practices and dont use mtgox or intersango if your in the uk
Could you please enlighten us as to where you get your bitcoins from?
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intersango are shite at the best of times,i cant believe peeps are using intersango who do not accept cash over the counter deposits,wire transfer only,so basically they have all your details,imho this is bad practice,those fuckers would not hesitate to co-operate with the filth and hand over details of anyone to them at there request
sharpen up your practices and dont use mtgox or intersango if your in the uk
Could you please enlighten us as to where you get your bitcoins from?
no problem of course i can
cash in the post
totally anonymous :)
the truth is bitcoins are mainly used for the purchase of illicit goods,so you need to be anonymous.....
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Exactly how reputable company are they? I thought they had a big chunk of the UK market and had been around for ages?
Did find this at companies house but not sure if it relates to them:
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/0f79b1422c0e939cff05c862a5df5e00/compdetails
Accounts return due 25/07/2012 lol.
I'm trying to stay positive.... But my gut feeling is bad. Does Ockam's Razor apply here?
I guess we'll know tomorrow. There's hefty fines for not filing accounts on time (tens of thousands nowadays), so I'm sure they'll file today if everything is going fine with their business.
25/07/2012
25/07/2012
25/07/2012
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I think Intersango fucking up is a sign of 2012, the first sign of the Mayan Armageddon.
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I think intersango's account with metro is bringing alot of attention/complaints towards metro , Maybe Metro are trying to prove or have proof that the account is being used for the trade of illicit goods!!
In the end i think intersango will run with the money, there would be no comeback on them.. Unless of course you could track down the CEO's who probably live offshore with serious security if they have sense!!
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I think Intersango fucking up is a sign of 2012, the first sign of the Mayan Armageddon.
Hmmm I dont think so, the second sign hasn't come true yet, that you successfully sell your armored vehicle ;D
I think intersango's account with metro is bringing alot of attention/complaints towards metro , Maybe Metro are trying to prove or have proof that the account is being used for the trade of illicit goods!!
In the end i think intersango will run with the money, there would be no comeback on them.. Unless of course you could track down the CEO's who probably live offshore with serious security if they have sense!!
As directors of UK limited companies, their real home addresses are public information and can be viewed on a variety of websites. I've cross checked the available information with each of their credit ratings and have accurate home addresses in daily use for each of them.
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I think intersango's account with metro is bringing alot of attention/complaints towards metro , Maybe Metro are trying to prove or have proof that the account is being used for the trade of illicit goods!!
In the end i think intersango will run with the money, there would be no comeback on them.. Unless of course you could track down the CEO's who probably live offshore with serious security if they have sense!!
Well I already live in one of the UK's offshore havens, my man lives in another... let's find them and make them squeal..! :-D
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Fuck, wish I had viewed that companies house listing before.
As much as I want to hope that there's an innocent explanation (at best fraud investigation which is still kinda shit) the fact that it's 25/07/2012 and no withdrawls from 26th onwards meh Im worried.
that said because they've shown in the past that they don't operate particularly professionally (i.e. personal lives as an excuse for delays) I hope that maybe they re all busy filing accounts. but im not a mug it seems to reek
does fact that they are registered with companies house mean that they are bound by their answer in their FAQ?
"Q. What happens if Intersango ends its business?
A. We do not see this as being a likely outcome as the continued operation of the site incurs minimal expenses. However, should a situation arise in which we must stop operating, deposits would be disabled and Intersango would continue to operate at our expense until all funds had been withdrawn."
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think im gonna start using v1ad now :) atleast its completely anonymous!
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does fact that they are registered with companies house mean that they are bound by their answer in their FAQ?
"Q. What happens if Intersango ends its business?
A. We do not see this as being a likely outcome as the continued operation of the site incurs minimal expenses. However, should a situation arise in which we must stop operating, deposits would be disabled and Intersango would continue to operate at our expense until all funds had been withdrawn."
No being a legally Limited Company registered with Companies House doesn't mean that they are bound by that answer in their FAQ.
They would simply be legally "Wound Up" and put into "Liquidation". Anyone who they owe money to would have the opportunity in a few years (we're talking like 7 to 10 years here) to register claims to the debt by the managers of their liquidation (their accountants) and their assets would then be sold off and split amongst the people who registered debt claims.
There is two issues with this. Firstly they don't have any accountants as they haven't even listed them on their companies house page or filed any accounts yet, so noone to manage their estate.
Secondly they have NO assets. Their "office" is a virtual office service which you can rent for £45 a month, where some girl answers the phone for them and thousands of other businesses and forwards their mail to them.
Basically get your money out now or you're fucked. No point crying over spilt milk.
As I've talked about before I actually use Metro Bank for certain business banking purposes, and I'm fairly close to my bank manager, so I'm going to ask her about this tomorrow when I go to see her. She probably won't give me details, but will be able to call bullshit on the "our account is under review" line coming out of Intersango. Will report back.
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how do people know that bit addresses belong to sr accounts or personal etc say a vendor sent me 10 coins how would they no that addy was sr
im only a buyer so not a problem just wondering all that blockchain taint shit just baffells me
what are vlads fees anyone/vlad i think im going to do that aswell
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Basically get your money out now or you're fucked. No point crying over spilt milk.
how is that done if money had been sent but no money appeared on someone's intersango wallet?
be good to have it confirmed/denied if there is or is not an investigation too gl with that
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Yeah, no one can get their money OUT or IN.... that's kind of the problem! I too will be interested to hear what metro say.
It's fucking ridiculous really... can you imagine this happening in any other sector:
You go to buy some trainers, try em on and give the assistant £100. He goes into the back and comes out. "Sorry we don't have your size... might get them in a week"
" ok thanks. Er...."
"what?"
"my £100?"
"Oh sorry I've put it in the till."
"Well... Can I have it then?"
"No. Some money went missing from till last week so we have locked it"
"Well what about my money?"
"If the trainers come in we will let you know...."
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Yeah, no one can get their money OUT or IN.... that's kind of the problem! I too will be interested to hear what metro say.
It's fucking ridiculous really... can you imagine this happening in any other sector:
I was able to cancel my instruction to withdraw to my bank, convert to bitcoins, and then withdraw to my wallet so you can still get your cash out from Intersango, just has to be in Bitcoins.
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what are vlads fees anyone/vlad i think im going to do that aswell
12% under £100, 10% over and if you are looking over a few hundred quid I think it lowers again. He bought his coins from IS too though and with the amount of people looking for a new source I just hope he sorts out a new source for his coins! I know he mentioned he gets coins from a few vendors but I've been struggling to find a suitable alternative to Intersango.....
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Yeah, no one can get their money OUT or IN.... that's kind of the problem! I too will be interested to hear what metro say.
It's fucking ridiculous really... can you imagine this happening in any other sector:
I was able to cancel my instruction to withdraw to my bank, convert to bitcoins, and then withdraw to my wallet so you can still get your cash out from Intersango, just has to be in Bitcoins.
Fair enough.... in my case the deposit hasn't shown up so I guess my money is in limbo.
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@ hungry ghost - Best analogy ever!
I've been getting some progress with Intersango but It's still a week with no coins and I've got all my funds tied up in this.
https://www.bitstamp.net/
Any views on this???
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Exactly how reputable company are they? I thought they had a big chunk of the UK market and had been around for ages?
Did find this at companies house but not sure if it relates to them:
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/0f79b1422c0e939cff05c862a5df5e00/compdetails
Accounts return due 25/07/2012 lol.
I'm trying to stay positive.... But my gut feeling is bad. Does Ockam's Razor apply here?
I guess we'll know tomorrow. There's hefty fines for not filing accounts on time (tens of thousands nowadays), so I'm sure they'll file today if everything is going fine with their business.
25/07/2012
25/07/2012
25/07/2012
;D
Or not...
Next Return Due: 25/07/2012 OVERDUE
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Tried to get my GBP funds out of intersango on the 25/7/12, before the uk withdrawals, 24hrs later and still nothing = /
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I love that intersango's biggest competitor in the UK is one man and from hearing feedback from both of there customers im leaning towards vlad :o
I think intersango's account with metro is bringing alot of attention/complaints towards metro , Maybe Metro are trying to prove or have proof that the account is being used for the trade of illicit goods!!
In the end i think intersango will run with the money, there would be no comeback on them.. Unless of course you could track down the CEO's who probably live offshore with serious security if they have sense!!
Well I already live in one of the UK's offshore havens, my man lives in another... let's find them and make them squeal..! :-D
V.
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I love that intersango's biggest competitor in the UK is one man and from hearing feedback from both of there customers im leaning towards vlad :o
I think intersango's account with metro is bringing alot of attention/complaints towards metro , Maybe Metro are trying to prove or have proof that the account is being used for the trade of illicit goods!!
In the end i think intersango will run with the money, there would be no comeback on them.. Unless of course you could track down the CEO's who probably live offshore with serious security if they have sense!!
Well I already live in one of the UK's offshore havens, my man lives in another... let's find them and make them squeal..! :-D
V.
Same Im gonna use vlad now, cba to use intersango anymore not after all the stress i see people expierencing
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Is intersango still usable in areas other than the UK? I was just going to try to get some BTC and start purchasing on SR.
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I love that intersango's biggest competitor in the UK is one man and from hearing feedback from both of there customers im leaning towards vlad :o
I think intersango's account with metro is bringing alot of attention/complaints towards metro , Maybe Metro are trying to prove or have proof that the account is being used for the trade of illicit goods!!
In the end i think intersango will run with the money, there would be no comeback on them.. Unless of course you could track down the CEO's who probably live offshore with serious security if they have sense!!
Well I already live in one of the UK's offshore havens, my man lives in another... let's find them and make them squeal..! :-D
V.
Thanks for all the kind words folks. I've had to take a couple of days off work just to cope with the huge surge in orders.
Full details of my service, commission etc. can be found at :
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=22148.0
Thank you all - must dash!
V.
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Personally I need intersango to work. I cant be bothered learning the crap for mt and bit instant. I know its a fucker having coin tied up and not being able to use them. I took some money out, and it took a week, then tried to take some more out a week ago and it hasnt come through yet. I had bits in there and was able to send them to SR with no problems about 3 days ago. I need to get them out in cash tho. Once their system crashes they will start getting more and more emails till it just cant be dealt with, the whole thing backs up. Im praying that in a week they are back to normal. I need them. It was so easy when they were running, so easy, I love intersango, I will miss it badly if it goes.
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fuck the banks
they have fucked every uk citizen right up the arse
time to fight back i think
cash in the post,have no dealings whatsoever with a bank and remain anonymous when it comes to bitcoins
fuck mt gox and intersango
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Has anyone got any idea based on evidence or knowledge what the chances of recovering funds from Intersango are now? I have been emailing them for ten days now and nothing at all has come back. There's all sorts of hearsay online, does anyone actually know what's happening?
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So with a little inside information and some basic logic I've been able to piece together what's really happeneing at Intersango.
It's a long story, but it goes like this.
A few weeks ago HSBC got in deep shit with US regulators for being used by criminals to wire money worldwide with no checks or cautions, the US regulators turned up the heat on HSBC and the UK regulators big time and it's all being dragged through the courts at the moment.
A few days back someone used Intersango to buy Bitcoins, they transferred via bank transfer UK GBP from their account into Intersango's Metro account. They got the money into Intersango successfully, got some Bitcoins then used those Bitcoins to buy some drugs.
The drugs never turned up, so the person wanted their money back. They bitched to Metro bank that they had done a transfer into an account of theirs which was to pay someone to buy drugs and that it hadn't worked, so could they have their money back please? (They probably thought this would be funny, but hey it hasn't turned out that way).
The shit hit the fan at Metro Bank, especially with the added heat from regulators they initially just froze but later infact completely closed Intersango's Metro bank account. This is why Intersango initially thought they were having temporary issues and then later on admitted they were being subject to a full investigation and it will take weeks.
After a brief investigation Metro Bank were forced to hand information over to SOCA (The Serious Organized Crime Agency), the British equivalent of the FBI & DEA combined. SOCA are now investigating and planning to bring charges of money laundering and assisting in the supply and sale of class A, B & C substances contrary to the misuse of banned substances XYZ act (not sure exactly) against Intersango.
I'm not sure whether the guy who originally bitched to Metro bank about loosing his money is complying with SOCA and this is why they're able to bring an investigation, my guess is probably yes, they must have got his IP or email address or something and traced it to him.
Anyway I'll keep you guys updated as things develop.
It seems to me something like this was inevitable anyway.
Also on a side note Intersango still haven't fulfilled their legal obligation to file their company accounts which were due on 25/07/2012, so now 3 days overdue:
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/9858dc17db80d4d92f692dc3de29753c/compdetails
Although considering their probably currently sweating in a Met Police cell, this doesn't really surprise me. Also I guess it would be pretty easy to file accounts when they currently stand at -£2 million (permanent SOCA wire transfer lol).
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i got some cash with intersango just now, on the 25th i tried to transfer it out buy nothing happened. I can cancel that order and it shows up in my intersango account,can i still buy bit coins with them and get my cash out of there?
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i got some cash with intersango just now, on the 25th i tried to transfer it out buy nothing happened. I can cancel that order and it shows up in my intersango account,can i still buy bit coins with them and get my cash out of there?
Yes.
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well fuck this then, some fucking moron actually called Metro bank to say it was a transfer to buy drugs with? giving his details?
ffs
the fucking idiocy of people never fails to amaze me.
what a fuckin moron
really hope this doesnt spread beyond intersango, i.e. depositers into their metro bank acc
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A few days back someone used Intersango to buy Bitcoins, they transferred via bank transfer UK GBP from their account into Intersango's Metro account. They got the money into Intersango successfully, got some Bitcoins then used those Bitcoins to buy some drugs.
The drugs never turned up, so the person wanted their money back. They bitched to Metro bank that they had done a transfer into an account of theirs which was to pay someone to buy drugs and that it hadn't worked, so could they have their money back please?
OH MY FUCKING DAYS!!! how do you know this? any idea who it was? what a total complete and utter fucking moron
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OH MY FUCKING DAYS!!! how do you know this? any idea who it was? what a total complete and utter fucking moron
I know it because Phantom (one of the directors of Intersango) has a well known account on BitCoinTalk and was talking about it. The argument between him and the guy who told Metro he was buying drugs was played out partially publicly, and Phantom was basically blackmailed. The thread's gone now but there's still remnants of the argument in other threads, and peoples shocked reactions.
I thought myself this was another bullshit story from Phantom to buy them more time whilst they cashed out, as you can see in some of my previous posts I've been incredibly skeptical of everything Intersango say, but as I've also previously mentioned I'm a Metro Bank business customer, and yesterday when I went to pay in my weekly cash I asked my business liaison manager if I could transfer some money to the Intersango Account (23-05-80 & 10799465) and she told me no the account had been shut, although it still has funds in it, which seems to add up with what Phantom had been saying. She wouldn't tell me any more than that, but said I hadn't been the first person to ask, which I smiled at.
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man, only takes one to ruin it for everyone doesn't it. what a douche bag. hope that fucking idiot is pleased with himself
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http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/valium/TDB3N8TVV6R8HJ3KH/p2
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Seen this thru the bitcointalk forums!
So basically ignore the shite intersango are spouting we're all fucked if we think we're getting our cash?
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OH MY FUCKING DAYS!!! how do you know this? any idea who it was? what a total complete and utter fucking moron
I know it because Phantom (one of the directors of Intersango) has a well known account on BitCoinTalk and was talking about it. The argument between him and the guy who told Metro he was buying drugs was played out partially publicly, and Phantom was basically blackmailed. The thread's gone now but there's still remnants of the argument in other threads, and peoples shocked reactions.
I thought myself this was another bullshit story from Phantom to buy them more time whilst they cashed out, as you can see in some of my previous posts I've been incredibly skeptical of everything Intersango say, but as I've also previously mentioned I'm a Metro Bank business customer, and yesterday when I went to pay in my weekly cash I asked my business liaison manager if I could transfer some money to the Intersango Account (23-05-80 & 10799465) and she told me no the account had been shut, although it still has funds in it, which seems to add up with what Phantom had been saying. She wouldn't tell me any more than that, but said I hadn't been the first person to ask, which I smiled at.
here get that cunts ip off phantom, im sure his got it
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Hey Vlad, I messaged you on SR about a custom order if you're interested in buying a fair amount of Bitcoins. Let me know.
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So is intersango completely fucked then? and will it most likely go under? :/
Used them for the past month with only a couple minor hitches in delayed deposits. Is LE likely to be gathering the account details of users of Intersango and able to make accusations of use of SR through Intersango? Bit worried about this as me and aloooooota brits have been using this service for a very long time.
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so intersango never had any idea at all that the large amount of bitcoins they sold had nothing to do with the trade of illicit goods ?
pull the other leg
bankers are the low of the low,they will take and sell money no matter where it originated or where its going
would love to see some hard evidence of this so called person moaning to them about goods not received,actually the more i think about it the more comical it seems
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either way i think were safe as long as you don't have funds with them just now, im guessing theres no way LE would have the time or the effort to start busting SR users through Intersango.
All i can say is thank fuck my funds are outta there.
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Well i am full supporter of te guys behind Bitcoin consultancy and i feel bad about their bad luck.
i'm ready to start a replacement that is based offshore and unfreeezable/
but deals in euros,GBP and is customer service focused.
i have been toying with trying to deploy a "bureau de change" online and off and i must say i believe more in bitcoin and digital currency than the dollar or euro as far as banking goes online.
i would i am for anonymity and security coupled with transparent corporate responsibility. the furore and imbroglio over mtgox and intersango is simply nonsensical and though it does not surprise anyone familiar with bitcoin or money it is still very sad that these guys tried to start out as forthright as can be and ended up getting jammed up and [hopefully only merely] inconveniencing their customers
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Well i am full supporter of te guys behind Bitcoin consultancy and i feel bad about their bad luck.
i'm ready to start a replacement that is based offshore and unfreeezable/
but deals in euros,GBP and is customer service focused.
i have been toying with trying to deploy a "bureau de change" online and off and i must say i believe more in bitcoin and digital currency than the dollar or euro as far as banking goes online.
i would i am for anonymity and security coupled with transparent corporate responsibility. the furore and imbroglio over mtgox and intersango is simply nonsensical and though it does not surprise anyone familiar with bitcoin or money it is still very sad that these guys tried to start out as forthright as can be and ended up getting jammed up and [hopefully only merely] inconveniencing their customers
Sounds like a good idea.
If you're based offshore how do you intend to take UK bank deposits and turn them into bitcoins quickly within an hour, and how do you intend to make bank deposits into UK bank accounts within an hour when people cash out?
I think speed is all you need. Speed, speed, speed.
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I'm wondering if I'm fucked and this might be something to do with this.
When I order coins on intersango, i send my coins direct to my SR wallet address on my account.
Can the block chain be used to trace btc passing into SR?
I'm no expert on bitcoins, but wondering if this could be possible?
I did start another thread on this in the security forum, maybe someone more knowledgeable will reply, wasn't quite sure where to post this paranoid noob question.
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I'm wondering if I'm fucked and this might be something to do with this.
When I order coins on intersango, i send my coins direct to my SR wallet address on my account.
Can the block chain be used to trace btc passing into SR?
I'm no expert on bitcoins, but wondering if this could be possible?
I did start another thread on this in the security forum, maybe someone more knowledgeable will reply, wasn't quite sure where to post this paranoid noob question.
You don't need to worry, I highly doubt law enforcement are going to follow block chains, they can barely understand how bitcoins work.
The biggest risk is Metro Bank handing lists of everyone to the Police / SOCA of everyone who deposited or withdrew into Intersango's bank account from another UK bank account and those account details. That would be the quickest, easiest and most cost effective way to sting people from a law enforcement perspective.
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SR claim they mix the coins before they deposit them to your account,as a precaution i would have them sent to bitcoinfog first,tumble them there and then send to SR,
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Yes I have made UK - UK bank transfers to them.
You don't need to worry, I highly doubt law enforcement are going to follow block chains, they can barely understand how bitcoins work..
That's an assumption, I'd highly disagree with, I'd expect they have their finest security experts working on finding a way.
The more I think about this I wonder if this is what's happened.
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Yes I have made UK - UK bank transfers to them.
You don't need to worry, I highly doubt law enforcement are going to follow block chains, they can barely understand how bitcoins work..
That's an assumption, I'd highly disagree with, I'd expect they have their finest security experts working on finding a way.
The more I think about this I wonder if this is what's happened.
LE always depends on government resources and atm UK is cutting all governments bodies including police and with the London Olympics running they wont have time to bother
at best they would try sting those with highest withdrawals and deposits with intersango
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I'm wondering if I'm fucked and this might be something to do with this.
When I order coins on intersango, i send my coins direct to my SR wallet address on my account.
Can the block chain be used to trace btc passing into SR?
I'm no expert on bitcoins, but wondering if this could be possible?
I did start another thread on this in the security forum, maybe someone more knowledgeable will reply, wasn't quite sure where to post this paranoid noob question.
I wouldnt worry....I was following phantom circuit and the intersango fiasco on the bitcointalk forums and I got the impression that this drug buiness was little more than rumour and guesswork. I couldnt find Phantom Circuit suggesting this theory. The only solid fact I could establish was that Patrick is a bit of a cunt (rude to his customers if they dare to complain etc.)
OZL, did you actually see the deleted thread where Patrick said that Intersango were being investigated? I only ask because I have been searching "intersango" and "Phantom Circuit" on the forums for past week and I never saw this. I saw Patrick argue with someone who wanted to withdraw money and close account. The stuff about Metro having got cold feet after a drug user complained he had paid into an intersango account and got scammed, was suggested by a forum user who seemingly jumped to conclusions after reading that thread in the valium forum.
I apologise if I've got this wrong and you actually saw statements from Phantom Circuit about this; I must have missed them.
But failing that, all metro have actually confirmed is Intersangos account is on hold.
RootZero, even if Intersango are under investigation, I wouldn't worry about your transactions. Ideally you should have used bitcoinog between them and SR, but I would imagine they'd be after vendors cashing out or the larger customers.
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Here is the thread where the rumour started.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63877.260
If you look at bottom of page 14, and follow to the end you can see Phantom Circuit ignores it completely.
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Ah fuck, I stuck some money in there before reading about all this shit, I hope this gets sorted out, is there a way to get the money back directly from Metro bank?
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Nope, plus you mentioning actually, LEO might look for the deposits which you stated, and a trace back to SR dealings!
Loose lips sink ships n all that ;)
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The biggest risk is Metro Bank handing lists of everyone to the Police / SOCA of everyone who deposited or withdrew into Intersango's bank account from another UK bank account and those account details. That would be the quickest, easiest and most cost effective way to sting people from a law enforcement perspective.
But depositing to Intersango's account is not in itself unlawful. How would this 'sting' come about?
The burden of proof is still with the police. I've known all along that any compromise of Intersango would see the all of my details available to the authorities, but really what can they prove?
Even if they were to painstakingly start tracing BTC movements, how far could they get without any physical evidence, i.e. drugs?
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I can understand the annoyance but at the same time we all seem to be giving SOCA proof by the fact we're stating on here? Nope?
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The biggest risk is Metro Bank handing lists of everyone to the Police / SOCA of everyone who deposited or withdrew into Intersango's bank account from another UK bank account and those account details. That would be the quickest, easiest and most cost effective way to sting people from a law enforcement perspective.
But depositing to Intersango's account is not in itself unlawful. How would this 'sting' come about?
The burden of proof is still with the police. I've known all along that any compromise of Intersango would see the all of my details available to the authorities, but really what can they prove?
Even if they were to painstakingly start tracing BTC movements, how far could they get without any physical evidence, i.e. drugs?
Well you see Harry therein lies the problem - what if tracing the movements of the BTC did lead them to monitor the mail of people who'd bought coins? Put yourself in the place, can you think of an easier way to detect people buying drugs via SR in this way than to simply lean on the most popular UK exchange for a copy of their records.
Conversely for those people who have been caught receiving contraband in the mail and claiming that they knew nothing about it and that it was unsolicited, how long will that defence hold water when it can be proven they've bought the No. 1 digital currency for trafficking in illegal goods?
Buying Bitcoin in itself isn't illegal as you say but I think either way you can do without the kind of attention that comes with the two above scenarios - play it safe and buy your BTC with cash - I realise that it's easy for me to say this to get more customers but I am not the only poker game in town ; search Craigslist for someone who'll let you buy them in person if you want, but whatever method you use remember the only way to get Bitcoins safely is through using cash or selling goods/services for BTC.
V.
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You're right Vlad, the Intersango deposit records could provide an opening for law enforcement and they could make some progress if they had the inclination and the resources (which we must always assume they do). I suppose as a small buyer I'm a little complacent, believing there to be many bigger fish than me who would be targeted first. Silly I know.
But as you know I'm now looking to buy BTC by cash in the post, which I can see is an infinitely more secure method. I thank you for it and wish you ongoing success with your operation!
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You're right Vlad, the Intersango deposit records could provide an opening for law enforcement and they could make some progress if they had the inclination and the resources (which we must always assume they do). I suppose as a small buyer I'm a little complacent, believing there to be many bigger fish than me who would be targeted first. Silly I know.
But as you know I'm now looking to buy BTC by cash in the post, which I can see is an infinitely more secure method. I thank you for it and wish you ongoing success with your operation!
Thanks Harry,
Yes I am processing your order but I don't volunteer this information unless my clients do first just to stop you from being profiled based on the the orders sent (in practice this would be very difficult to achieve).
As you say it would take a certain amount of time and resources to get this information but actually it wouldn't be too much of an imposition. I work in a bank and we will regularly e-mail a spreadsheet (using public key cryptography) with details of all deposits and transfers to an account so if LEO do get hold of this information then it will be no more trouble for them to trace who has wired £1000 to Intersango's account than £1.
Having said this I don't want to scare people needlessly - as you say in itself it wouldn't be enough to incriminate someone but used as intelligence to merit further investigation it could prove problematic for buyers - simple solution as I said is to make sure you obtain your BTC using a safe method, once again this doesn't necessarily mean using my service!
One of Intersango's redeeming features is it does list legal suppliers of services like web design or products like T Shirts who offer discounts to people who pay in Bitcoin so that's one way to get hold of them. So if you have a cottage industry or just a skill you want to sell why not spread the word and obtain payment that way? :-)
V.
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Do you think theres a chance those who deposited into intersango will get there money credited to there account. I transferred quite a large sum.
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The biggest risk is Metro Bank handing lists of everyone to the Police / SOCA of everyone who deposited or withdrew into Intersango's bank account from another UK bank account and those account details. That would be the quickest, easiest and most cost effective way to sting people from a law enforcement perspective.
But depositing to Intersango's account is not in itself unlawful. How would this 'sting' come about?
The burden of proof is still with the police. I've known all along that any compromise of Intersango would see the all of my details available to the authorities, but really what can they prove?
Even if they were to painstakingly start tracing BTC movements, how far could they get without any physical evidence, i.e. drugs?
Well you see Harry therein lies the problem - what if tracing the movements of the BTC did lead them to monitor the mail of people who'd bought coins? Put yourself in the place, can you think of an easier way to detect people buying drugs via SR in this way than to simply lean on the most popular UK exchange for a copy of their records.
Conversely for those people who have been caught receiving contraband in the mail and claiming that they knew nothing about it and that it was unsolicited, how long will that defence hold water when it can be proven they've bought the No. 1 digital currency for trafficking in illegal goods?
Buying Bitcoin in itself isn't illegal as you say but I think either way you can do without the kind of attention that comes with the two above scenarios - play it safe and buy your BTC with cash - I realise that it's easy for me to say this to get more customers but I am not the only poker game in town ; search Craigslist for someone who'll let you buy them in person if you want, but whatever method you use remember the only way to get Bitcoins safely is through using cash or selling goods/services for BTC.
V.
I think that the majority of intersango users/ transactions are not SR related but are going to be bitcoin traders or trading software "arbitrage bots"( I recently read this term and am glad of the opportunity to slip it in). I don't really have any idea how many accounts are paying into intersangos account but I imagine many many many. ( perhaps this is the real reason metro are renegotiating their arrangement with intersango?)
Therefore our hypothetical LE are going to have a hell of a lot of bank account owners addresses to watch, bearing in mind the mail to each must be physically examined by a person, everyday. The letters would need to be opened or flourished before a sniffer dog or otherwise carefully inspected. It just doesnt seem like an efficient use of their time.
The other concern I think carries more weight: having had your package opened by sheer misfortune, your plausible deniability would suffer greatly if examination of your bank account reveals that you have bought bitcoins.
I have wondered for a while Vlad, and perhaps you can help: how easy is it for the police to get info from banks. Obviously they can but is it a case of, having found a gram of smack in an envelope with my name on, they can just ring up my bank and ask for my statements? How do they find out where I bank?
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I have wondered for a while Vlad, and perhaps you can help: how easy is it for the police to get info from banks. Obviously they can but is it a case of, having found a gram of smack in an envelope with my name on, they can just ring up my bank and ask for my statements? How do they find out where I bank?
I worked for a UK bank and its very easy, it just requires a court to make an order.
If you are caught with drugs in the UK they will almost certainly search your house too, finding your bank is as simple as finding a card or statement.
While people are now encouraging cash in the post in the UK, that is a very bad idea if you value your cash. Sorry to Vlad etc who do this, but your fooling yourself if you think its 'safe'. After all that person who you send cash to has to use a deposit and exchange at some point unless they were mining or something. Then its very unlikely they would involve themselves in this activity.
I have to admit sadly, I think its very unlikely anyone who deposited / transfered to Metro will get it back.
Maybe it will all resolve but I'm seriously rethinking BTC and the future of it muself.
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Thing that pisses me off is whenever Intersango have any problems with depositing or withdrawing funds, they never make it obvious on their home page. It's always buried somewhere in the support or account sections, so on first impressions one might think all is good. They are quick enough to take the money, but to slow to worn people if they are having any problems.
Anyway, I'm sure we've nothing to worry about. No-one here's ever used Intersango to purchase Bitcoins for the purpose of buying drugs on-line, right?... ;)
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I have wondered for a while Vlad, and perhaps you can help: how easy is it for the police to get info from banks. Obviously they can but is it a case of, having found a gram of smack in an envelope with my name on, they can just ring up my bank and ask for my statements? How do they find out where I bank?
I worked for a UK bank and its very easy, it just requires a court to make an order.
If you are caught with drugs in the UK they will almost certainly search your house too, finding your bank is as simple as finding a card or statement.
While people are now encouraging cash in the post in the UK, that is a very bad idea if you value your cash. Sorry to Vlad etc who do this, but your fooling yourself if you think its 'safe'. After all that person who you send cash to has to use a deposit and exchange at some point unless they were mining or something. Then its very unlikely they would involve themselves in this activity.
I have to admit sadly, I think its very unlikely anyone who deposited / transfered to Metro will get it back.
Maybe it will all resolve but I'm seriously rethinking BTC and the future of it muself.
Not quite sure what you mean by not safe? If Vlad sends my btcs to an instawallet that I only access throught TOR and I then put them through bitcoin fog to SR, I don't see how it can be safer? There is no connection between me and the coins, that's the point. Where Vlad got them and how safe his methods are needn't concern me (although I expect he is fairly careful)I can spend these coins having only "touched" them through TOR.
Also, I didn't realise that police come and search your house automatically when they find a package addressed to you. The same with getting a court order to investigate your finances.
Obviously they have these powers but surely they have to consider if it's worth it for a small personal amount? LE get decent wages and their time is valuable and limited, and with the huge amount of drug trafficking and abuse that permeates our society they obviously must perform some kind of triage; focussing on the larger targets. I really don't think they care about a fish as small as me. If I stumble into their path they'll take the bust but I don't think they' ll come looking for me.
Touch wood.
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Yeah I know....I'm totally tempting fate aren't I. Should learn to keep it shut.... :-X
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I have wondered for a while Vlad, and perhaps you can help: how easy is it for the police to get info from banks. Obviously they can but is it a case of, having found a gram of smack in an envelope with my name on, they can just ring up my bank and ask for my statements? How do they find out where I bank?
I worked for a UK bank and its very easy, it just requires a court to make an order.
If you are caught with drugs in the UK they will almost certainly search your house too, finding your bank is as simple as finding a card or statement.
While people are now encouraging cash in the post in the UK, that is a very bad idea if you value your cash. Sorry to Vlad etc who do this, but your fooling yourself if you think its 'safe'. After all that person who you send cash to has to use a deposit and exchange at some point unless they were mining or something. Then its very unlikely they would involve themselves in this activity.
I have to admit sadly, I think its very unlikely anyone who deposited / transfered to Metro will get it back.
Maybe it will all resolve but I'm seriously rethinking BTC and the future of it muself.
Not quite sure what you mean by not safe? If Vlad sends my btcs to an instawallet that I only access throught TOR and I then put them through bitcoin fog to SR, I don't see how it can be safer? There is no connection between me and the coins, that's the point. Where Vlad got them and how safe his methods are needn't concern me (although I expect he is fairly careful)I can spend these coins having only "touched" them through TOR.
Also, I didn't realise that police come and search your house automatically when they find a package addressed to you. The same with getting a court order to investigate your finances.
Obviously they have these powers but surely they have to consider if it's worth it for a small personal amount? LE get decent wages and their time is valuable and limited, and with the huge amount of drug trafficking and abuse that permeates our society they obviously must perform some kind of triage; focussing on the larger targets. I really don't think they care about a fish as small as me. If I stumble into their path they'll take the bust but I don't think they' ll come looking for me.
Touch wood.
Many thanks to Rootzero for your comments.
I think I may have mentioned this on another thread - I don't want to sound alarmist but the situation is a little different in theory and in practice.
As RootZero rightly says in theory a court order is required however due to new powers under the Anti Terrorism act bank accounts can be frozen on a whim - although this was always the case this can now be done aribitrarily for personal bank accounts (Limetless and I think this is the kind of account the owners of Intersango use) and even when only small sums have moved in.
However, the practice in my bank at least is that when the Police want financial information about an individual or company we give it to them (I find individuals are subject to closer scrutiny actually as Ltd Liability companies must publish and audit their accounts publicly in any case..).
The reasoning the Police give is that if they had to apply for a warrant each time they suspected someone was acting suspiciously, investigations would slow to a snail's pace. Of course we never refer to such requests directly as ironically it's illegal for us to supply information in this way, even if it is to prevent a crime so we always refer to such as information requests as being from "our friends". Obviously if any evidence of suspicious activity is found then the Police will go through the usual channels to make sure any information submitted is legally admissible as evidence.
I wasn't sure why they do this. My mentor who trained me to use the banking system anonymously (which incidentally allows me to use the exchanges safely!) says he thinks the top brass are worried our share prices will take a dive if it's revealed that we've been subject to that kind of scrutiny- the situation with HSBC laundering money for Mexican cartels seems to bear out this theory(!)
Finally, the Police do not always have to request such information. We are bound by law to log and document any suspicious account activity (mercifully I no longer have to do this!) and this is submitted in a standardised format to the Police.
As far as I know we are not monitoring transfers from personal accounts to MtGox's Barclays account or Intersango's Metro account but I wouldn't be privy to that kind of information - also, just because they're not doing so at present doesn't mean they won't be doing so in future!
The solution in my opinion would be to have an offshore exchange and I know certain more gifted members of our forum are currently working on this. It would be very easy to set up a business bank account here in the UK and then make a daily bulk transfer of funds to an offshore account - the actual amounts due to each person could then be e-mailed separately in encrypted CSV format.
Of course as Schneier's Law says, anyone can imagine a system to secure that *they* can't think of any way to get round it and in my infinite modesty I still maintain my own system is safer.
As long as bank accounts can be monitored and frozen in this way there's always going to be a demand both for an anonymous decentralised currency like the Bitcoin and physical money which cannot be traced nearly as easily. Long may they both last I say!
V.
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I have wondered for a while Vlad, and perhaps you can help: how easy is it for the police to get info from banks. Obviously they can but is it a case of, having found a gram of smack in an envelope with my name on, they can just ring up my bank and ask for my statements? How do they find out where I bank?
While people are now encouraging cash in the post in the UK, that is a very bad idea if you value your cash. Sorry to Vlad etc who do this, but your fooling yourself if you think its 'safe'. After all that person who you send cash to has to use a deposit and exchange at some point unless they were mining or something. Then its very unlikely they would involve themselves in this activity.
Hi RootZero,
Thanks for your thoughts.
I've already mentioned Schneier's Law which says that it's always possible for you to invent a system you believe to be so secure that you can't think of a way around it - this in itself doesn't make it safe.
I don't believe my clients are fooling themselves if they think this service isn't safe for the very reason that even I don't know their real identity so how can the Police etc?
It's true that a small portion of the Bitcoins I sell to my clients come from Bitcoin exchanges but even going by what you said the risk would be entirely to me, not to the client as they have paid in cash.
When I was relying more heavily on the exchanges when starting out I was actually shown a method by a more experienced colleague to wire money anonymously to obtain Bitcoins. I'd rather not go into details on here except to say you would need to work in a bank to accomplish this and the level of ingenuity required is very high (he himself mastered this technique after being with the bank about seven years). In addition all coins obtained in this way are run through SR's mixer before being sent on to the client though this is more for my benefit than the customers.
Having said this less than a tenth of the Bitcoins I sell in this way are obtained from exchanges - you no doubt will have seen I have offered to help vendors to "cash out" and I have now set up a steady supply of Bitcoins from several vendors from all over the world. Since once again I pay cash to obtain their BTC my own identity is protected. The Bitcoins are transferred to me anonymously which I then once again sell for cash.
I also sell Bitcoins I obtain from various investments such as mining pools - in fact a large amount of my personal portfolio is invested in mining rigs which make use of renewable energies.
If you have any suggestions on how this could be made safer, please feel free to say so but as I said the fact that some of the coins I sell come from exchanges does not pose any risk to my clients.
V.
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I have wondered for a while Vlad, and perhaps you can help: how easy is it for the police to get info from banks. Obviously they can but is it a case of, having found a gram of smack in an envelope with my name on, they can just ring up my bank and ask for my statements? How do they find out where I bank?
I worked for a UK bank and its very easy, it just requires a court to make an order.
If you are caught with drugs in the UK they will almost certainly search your house too, finding your bank is as simple as finding a card or statement.
While people are now encouraging cash in the post in the UK, that is a very bad idea if you value your cash. Sorry to Vlad etc who do this, but your fooling yourself if you think its 'safe'. After all that person who you send cash to has to use a deposit and exchange at some point unless they were mining or something. Then its very unlikely they would involve themselves in this activity.
I have to admit sadly, I think its very unlikely anyone who deposited / transfered to Metro will get it back.
Maybe it will all resolve but I'm seriously rethinking BTC and the future of it muself.
Not quite sure what you mean by not safe? If Vlad sends my btcs to an instawallet that I only access throught TOR and I then put them through bitcoin fog to SR, I don't see how it can be safer? There is no connection between me and the coins, that's the point. Where Vlad got them and how safe his methods are needn't concern me (although I expect he is fairly careful)I can spend these coins having only "touched" them through TOR.
Also, I didn't realise that police come and search your house automatically when they find a package addressed to you. The same with getting a court order to investigate your finances.
Obviously they have these powers but surely they have to consider if it's worth it for a small personal amount? LE get decent wages and their time is valuable and limited, and with the huge amount of drug trafficking and abuse that permeates our society they obviously must perform some kind of triage; focussing on the larger targets. I really don't think they care about a fish as small as me. If I stumble into their path they'll take the bust but I don't think they' ll come looking for me.
Touch wood.
Thanks HungryGhost,
Yes you're absolutely right, there's no risk of you being identified through sending cash in the mail - I don't even see or handle the envelopes in which the money arrives (which are shredded on receipt) or the cash itself. I'm always open to suggestions from any user as to how I can improve the anonymity of the service but it would be virtually impossible to detect the transfers I've made to exchanges from the myriad of bank accounts I've used ; also this isn't your problem as you say because by then the coins have been transferred to you anonymously(!) I do want to rely on the banking system less though as it is too slow for the volumes of orders we're receiving.
To answer your question -if you accept a package in your home containing contraband the Police would have the right to arrest you. This in turn allows them to search your premises, vehicle and person on arrest. A lot of scallywag Police have got into trouble in the past for arresting someone on a trumped up charge then trying to justify it after the fact with a search.
I don't want to sound alarmist as I'll just be accused of profiteering anyway but it's important to make it clear that while the risk is low, it's real, not theoretical. Also, a search of your house wouldn't be necessary to establish you'd bought Bitcoins by going to an exchange, a peek at Intersango's records would establish that from the comfort of our favourite pork chop's desk. Play it safe, use cash.
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Motherfuckers still took my money on the 26th so the receiving end of their account wasn't frozen. Jesus H Christ, there goes a few hundred quid. Excuse me while I just put my head through a wall here :(
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Well i am full supporter of te guys behind Bitcoin consultancy and i feel bad about their bad luck.
i'm ready to start a replacement that is based offshore and unfreeezable/
but deals in euros,GBP and is customer service focused.
i have been toying with trying to deploy a "bureau de change" online and off and i must say i believe more in bitcoin and digital currency than the dollar or euro as far as banking goes online.
i would i am for anonymity and security coupled with transparent corporate responsibility. the furore and imbroglio over mtgox and intersango is simply nonsensical and though it does not surprise anyone familiar with bitcoin or money it is still very sad that these guys tried to start out as forthright as can be and ended up getting jammed up and [hopefully only merely] inconveniencing their customers
Sounds like a good idea.
If you're based offshore how do you intend to take UK bank deposits and turn them into bitcoins quickly within an hour, and how do you intend to make bank deposits into UK bank accounts within an hour when people cash out?
I think speed is all you need. Speed, speed, speed.
my original reply got swallowed
but right now on the side i have been offering a world cash service to various blacklisted territories form USA/ EU for travellers and immigrants [non profit] and so i see bitcoins as way more straight forward.. most banking transfer systems have been around for around 1000 years and the more modern ones make bitcoin seem like magic out of some fantasy book.
however bitcoin's strength rests in its design and ongoing improvement and the precautions the end user has ot take to use TOr and SR. In some ways this hurts a legit business trying to square deal but we are okay with that.
combine this with liquidity and risk management automated safeties to make sure we always are able to pay forward like bit instant
speed is nowhere near as important as a twitterstyle status update on the front page telling customers how long its going to take on average and whether we are ready to receive deposits.
the focus and overheads will be in security auditing - [feel like it will be expensive -- not out for profit] and customer service.
i it looks like the intersango boys got burned while taking all the risks when no one else would so we ALL owe it to them, SReuro and their customers to step up and try to do it better.
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speed is nowhere near as important as a twitterstyle status update on the front page telling customers how long its going to take on average and whether we are ready to receive deposits.
Speed is mush more important than some stupid "twitterstyle status updates".
Intersango give people these updates on their front page and support pages at the moment already and they aren't worth anything. Everyone hates them and noone believes them.
Speed speed speed. You need to make a consistent, efficient, reliable and most importantly fast service. Think German & Japanese for inspiration.
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speed is nowhere near as important as a twitterstyle status update on the front page telling customers how long its going to take on average and whether we are ready to receive deposits.
Speed is mush more important than some stupid "twitterstyle status updates".
Intersango give people these updates on their front page and support pages at the moment already and they aren't worth anything. Everyone hates them and noone believes them.
Speed speed speed. You need to make a consistent, efficient, reliable and most importantly fast service. Think German & Japanese for inspiration.
Well said OZ +1
V.
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If Intersango is being investigated by the filth, what is the likelihood of the cops going to the effort of tracing back the deposits (pretty simple really) and then getting a priority watch placed on all mail going to those addresses? It wouldn't be too hard and they already do things like that for political agitators (and some politicians in case of letter bombs). There must be a fair few thousand depositors with Intersango so I reckon they would prioritise accounts with high volumes of money going through. Still, I'm pretty nervous now about getting anything sent to me. Aside from (probably) losing a couple of hundred quid, it could also stop a lot of us getting the necessaries. Maybe I might just only order fairly innocent goods like smokes or diazepam for a bit. At worst. that sort of thing would just be a seizure. The good stuff could land you in the shit if they do start monitoring the mail...
Or to put it another way..... WHAT A COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCKING DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Finally, the Police do not always have to request such information. We are bound by law to log and document any suspicious account activity (mercifully I no longer have to do this!) and this is submitted in a standardised format to the Police.
Hey Vlad, old buddy, old pal. Could you elaborate more on what counts as suspicious account activity. For example, how much money movement or other activities needs to happen before it becomes suspicious. And, what specific activities count as suspicious? This stuff is not my field of expertise, so any information on this would be interesting to me. Always good to garner wisdom from the informed, if you getme.
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If Intersango is being investigated by the filth, what is the likelihood of the cops going to the effort of tracing back the deposits (pretty simple really) and then getting a priority watch placed on all mail going to those addresses? It wouldn't be too hard and they already do things like that for political agitators (and some politicians in case of letter bombs). There must be a fair few thousand depositors with Intersango so I reckon they would prioritise accounts with high volumes of money going through. Still, I'm pretty nervous now about getting anything sent to me. Aside from (probably) losing a couple of hundred quid, it could also stop a lot of us getting the necessaries. Maybe I might just only order fairly innocent goods like smokes or diazepam for a bit. At worst. that sort of thing would just be a seizure. The good stuff could land you in the shit if they do start monitoring the mail...
Or to put it another way..... WHAT A COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCKING DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They won't go to that effort, that's not how policing in the UK works. Especially during the current economic climate and their 20% budget cuts they're focusing only on the big fish. They may trace the transactions, but only to be used as evidence against the big fish in court, they won't worry about the small fry. It costs a huge amount of money to do all that surveillance and monitoring, even for one person, it's simply not worth it.
The police in the UK aren't even interested in people who buy drugs, even class A drugs, and even in large quantities, as long as they know you aren't reselling it. If you get arrested, they'll simply ask you where you got them from, give you a caution, and then send you on your way. They simply view all buyers as informants and have for some time now.
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And another thing...
I really don't want to add to peoples paranoia on here... But, I keep hearing people saying "They won't bother busting a small time buyer because, it's not cost productive to the tax payer and a waste of police time". Remember though, the effect that publicly busting a buyer on here would have on how safe buyers on Silk Road would feel. I think it would be worth their time and effort just to send a message to people involved with Silk Road and the public. It would completely pull the rug of confidence out from under our feet. I think, to some extent, we've all convinced ourselves that we are safer than maybe we are. We are, after all, using the worlds number one (as yet unpunished) on-line drugs market.
Like I said, I don't wish to add to anyone's paranoia, this is just how I'm feeling at the moment... Sleep well :D
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Quick question now intersango is basically a no go what is a viable way of obtaining some bitcoins for personal use on SR (around £100) that I would have in say 3 days ?
I would use cash in the post with vlad but as I say I do need them over the next couple of days, will definitely be using that service next time though.
Oh yeah I'm in UK by the way, thanks for the help, Conflict.
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And another thing...
I really don't want to add to peoples paranoia on here... But, I keep hearing people saying "They won't bother busting a small time buyer because, it's not cost productive to the tax payer and a waste of police time". Remember though, the effect that publicly busting a buyer on here would have on how safe buyers on Silk Road would feel. I think it would be worth their time and effort just to send a message to people involved with Silk Road and the public. It would completely pull the rug of confidence out from under our feet. I think, to some extent, we've all convinced ourselves that we are safer than maybe we are. We are, after all, using the worlds number one (as yet unpunished) on-line drugs market.
Like I said, I don't wish to add to anyone's paranoia, this is just how I'm feeling at the moment... Sleep well :D
I have to agree. The fucking (British) customs busted me for having an 8th of hash on a train to Dublin once. Took me off, strip searched me, looked up the arse, charged me with attempting to export an illegal substance ffs. Made me sound like Pablo Escobar. Got a fine and 5 year record. So remember the International element to this. Getting caught receiving a gram of something from abroad is several crimes at once and a dead handy collar to add to some copper's success rate. Possession, importation, conspiracy, fuck knows what else. Good way to turn some people into touts as well. I take the point that UK cops are under major budgetary pressure at the minute but the post office would be doing the screening at the sorting offices. Results- tons of dead easy collars. Only time will tell. Hopefully nothing will come of it
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The communication from Intersango is nothing short of a disgrace, as someone said a few pages back - why haven't they got it on their home page that their service isn't working? Crooks. I'v been waiting for my deposit to go through for 10 days now.
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Hooper, people are probably still sending money to them, unaware of all this shit. I sent mine on Thursday which was well into their crisis. Pack of either incompetents or crooks
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Hooper, people are probably still sending money to them, unaware of all this shit. I sent mine on Thursday which was well into their crisis. Pack of either incompetents or crooks
SNAP !!!
I sent mine on Friday £100 !! then read about all this. Im new to SR and BC/Intersango. Ive asked for it to be returned but they keep giviing me some bull crap about how its being dealt with etc. I ean have Metro frozen there account ? I have a payee re number and everything and just want my CASH back and no BC. :(
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Same here, Rabrye. They'll probably stop answering all messages next
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Well since this fiasco started, I've moved all my Bitcoin banking away from Intersango and over to Mt. Gox and I don't know why I was ever using Intersango.
Mt. Gox have been amazing. It's true you have to verify your account, which is a pain in the ass. I had to upload about 5 utility bills and council tax bills and my passport and driving license, then even that wasn't good enough so I had to post them copies, but eventually they verified me. I suppose it took just over a week total.
Next I had to verify my bank account with them which took another few days (It's just a normal UK bank account, I chose my RBS one for this). I had to verify my IBAN number which took them a couple of days, but now allows me to do 1 hour deposits and withdrawals from my RBS to Mt. Gox and vice versa, I can use £ Pounds, Euros, $ Dollars, whatever I want, and they rarely take longer than an hour. Sometimes if it's weekend or night then I have to wait until 6am the next morning, but sure enough it's always there. I can literally have someone give me 100 Bitcoins, and have that sitting in my UK bank account in British Pounds £ within an hour and also the other way round, from my UK account to my Bitcoin wallet. Obviously this is only on working days, not the weekend.
I always thought the IBAN transfers were going to take ages, days or weeks, but they don't. Once you've got everything set up with your IBAN number, SWIFT & BIC stuff and branch per-approval you can receive and send stuff as fast as UK to UK.
I did have a couple of issues with the first transaction I did, which were my mistake, because I forgot I can't withdraw dollars to my UK bank account, so RBS chucked the transaction back to Gox, but Mt. Gox were so helpful, messaging me all the time with updates and explaining everything thoroughly, I never had to wait more than 10 mins for a reply. A lot of people complain about their support, but there's one person who always seems to deals with me, called "Gina" and she's great.
I suppose the only downside to Mt. Gox is that their website is a bit confusing, it's clearly made for other companies and resellers, it's not very user friendly for individual users.
Anyway when Intersango come back online I won't ever be using them again. I used to love them, and give them compliments all the time in the forum here, but now they can get lost!!
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Intersango are now working through back logs as issue resolved got message today they advised will take 1 -2 days if money still missing they will then investigate
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Intersango are now working through back logs as issue resolved got message today they advised will take 1 -2 days if money still missing they will then investigate
Where does it say that? It's still showing me on their site the same error message.
https://support.intersango.com/
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It was a response to a ticket for support I sent them today
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I've been sending them tickets for the past week - three in all - and I aint heard a dicky bird, at least there's some hope if they are actually responding to people. If I ever do get my money back, it's goodbye Intersango hello Vlad
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Intersango are now working through back logs as issue resolved got message today they advised will take 1 -2 days if money still missing they will then investigate
So that's good news, i think?, anybody know if and when they will be back trading? Iv checked various forums but cant get any other information than whats on here, are they under investigation? They are useless with there communication.
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Yeah I emailed them last night and they replied this afternoon saying my dough should show up by tomorrow at the latest. Hopefully this isn't just some bullshit but it is at least a positive development....
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Well if the money does reappear for everyone intersango I ll be pretty fucking stunned, fingers crossed for all u guys ;)
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Well if the money does reappear for everyone intersango I ll be pretty fucking stunned, fingers crossed for all u guys ;)
Yep its looking that way, well its now the 31st so lets see what happens
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I've been sending them tickets for the past week - three in all - and I aint heard a dicky bird, at least there's some hope if they are actually responding to people. If I ever do get my money back, it's goodbye Intersango hello Vlad
Hi plancktonium,
Thanks for your kind words.
As I mentioned in my previous post although I am relying on exchanges a lot less for my coins (Less than a tenth as of last week), I have stopped using Intersango altogether.
My reasons are quite simple - even if as you say Intersango is able to pacify the bank and whatever sinister Financial Crimes Unit that froze their assets AND return all pending money to the right account holders (one doesn't guarantee the other!) then we're still stuck with a service which is being run by a load of World of Warcraft geeks who are unreliable in themselves, and entirely dependent on a single bank account which could be frozen again at any time.
You all deserve better! Soon hopefully we'll have an offshore exchange which people can use in the UK but until then I'd be happy to service anyone who needs BTC.
V.
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Hi Vlad,
just joined the forum, and have been looking for a reliable U.K BC source....I'mCheers signed up with Bitstamp, but from reading your vendor page u can transfer straight into SR wallet, which is great.
Just a couple of things, should i go with RM recorded...would of thought that might avoid any sticky fingered posties, and second what rate do u offer/commission? Noticed most places are offering £6.
Cheers M8
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Well it's now the 31st and two things:
A) They've still got the error message at the bottom saying they can't do bank transfer's until the 30th
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B) They still haven't filed their annual accounts with Companies House, which they are legally obliged to do. If they leave it any longer, not only will they get fined but they will get short prison sentences too. Their accountant must be in deep shit too, he'd be struck off from being a chartered accountant, oh wait they dont have one! ;D
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There's a thread on the bitcointalk forums about this that Patrick has been communicating in.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63877.300
Supposedly all the problems are sorted now and transfers should begin to clear in 24-48hrs and everyone should have there deposits by the end of the week, they added a new policy as well that the first transfer from UK bank accounts to Intersango must be a minimum of 100 GBP which will be held for 5 days.
Guess we'll have to wait and see still but its looking better.
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Yeah I emailed them last night and they replied this afternoon saying my dough should show up by tomorrow at the latest. Hopefully this isn't just some bullshit but it is at least a positive development....
Has your money shown up ?
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My money still not in account. I wont hold my breath, Whether it does or doesn't i Know i wont be using intersango again thats for sure.
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Your Bank Account or Intersaango account ? Was it much ? Mines was £100 :(
If it doesnt go into your intersango account will metro/intersango refund us or are we fecked ?
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Do you send your bitcoins direct from mtgox to SR , im going to verify my account also but am not sure what to do after !
Well since this fiasco started, I've moved all my Bitcoin banking away from Intersango and over to Mt. Gox and I don't know why I was ever using Intersango.
Mt. Gox have been amazing. It's true you have to verify your account, which is a pain in the ass. I had to upload about 5 utility bills and council tax bills and my passport and driving license, then even that wasn't good enough so I had to post them copies, but eventually they verified me. I suppose it took just over a week total.
Next I had to verify my bank account with them which took another few days (It's just a normal UK bank account, I chose my RBS one for this). I had to verify my IBAN number which took them a couple of days, but now allows me to do 1 hour deposits and withdrawals from my RBS to Mt. Gox and vice versa, I can use £ Pounds, Euros, $ Dollars, whatever I want, and they rarely take longer than an hour. Sometimes if it's weekend or night then I have to wait until 6am the next morning, but sure enough it's always there. I can literally have someone give me 100 Bitcoins, and have that sitting in my UK bank account in British Pounds £ within an hour and also the other way round, from my UK account to my Bitcoin wallet. Obviously this is only on working days, not the weekend.
I always thought the IBAN transfers were going to take ages, days or weeks, but they don't. Once you've got everything set up with your IBAN number, SWIFT & BIC stuff and branch per-approval you can receive and send stuff as fast as UK to UK.
I did have a couple of issues with the first transaction I did, which were my mistake, because I forgot I can't withdraw dollars to my UK bank account, so RBS chucked the transaction back to Gox, but Mt. Gox were so helpful, messaging me all the time with updates and explaining everything thoroughly, I never had to wait more than 10 mins for a reply. A lot of people complain about their support, but there's one person who always seems to deals with me, called "Gina" and she's great.
I suppose the only downside to Mt. Gox is that their website is a bit confusing, it's clearly made for other companies and resellers, it's not very user friendly for individual users.
Anyway when Intersango come back online I won't ever be using them again. I used to love them, and give them compliments all the time in the forum here, but now they can get lost!!
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Both accounts. Mine was £100 to, They seem to respond to tickets eventually but that doesnt count for nothing if we dont get our money back. This was there latest response to me
Hi,
While our bank was not reporting all payments to us they were also not allowing us to send payments out. We could not send payments out even if we wanted to. Not only that if we were to send payments out to users who we could not verify had even sent us payments in the first place, we would have been abused and we would be risking our user's payments.
Our bank has started passing payments through our site. Unfortunately buying bitcoins is not the easiest thing and no one has successfully managed to provide as good of service as us in the UK. We have spent a fortune to be able to have sub par banking.
Our new banking is far better than when we were backing with Lloyds and HSBC. There was a 3 week period about 5 or so months ago I believe where we were unable to process payments.
We expect to catch up with all issues within the next few days. Especially for payments out we are limited due to daily withdraw limits. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
We hope that this recent account investigation which seems to have successfully passed will give us more credit in the future.
Sincerely,
Team Intersango
They say the investigation is over but i still don't have my money. Shall find somewhere else to purchase bit coins in the future.
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There's a thread on the bitcointalk forums about this that Patrick has been communicating in.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63877.300
Supposedly all the problems are sorted now and transfers should begin to clear in 24-48hrs and everyone should have there deposits by the end of the week, they added a new policy as well that the first transfer from UK bank accounts to Intersango must be a minimum of 100 GBP which will be held for 5 days.
Guess we'll have to wait and see still but its looking better.
Thanks xdjx,
Let's hope they make good on their promises.
V.
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Unfortunately buying bitcoins is not the easiest thing and no one has successfully managed to provide as good of service as us in the UK.
I'd like to put that to the test... :-)
V.
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Tbh if they get their act together I will continue to use them until something better comes along; simply because I could transfer funds to them and have my coins in an hour or so. When it was working their service was pretty good. They've not done them selves any favours with their attitude over this problem though. That's if it's all legit; there's suggestions flying about that they've been playing silly buggers with other peoples money, and the £100 min deposit for new customers is to be used ponzi style to pay earlier depositors. I don't think that makes much sense tho cos no one is going to give them money until people start getting deposits showing up and withdrawals working.
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there is no faster service for UK BTC buyers. MtGox can be a few days, as can sending cash in post. But, I'm not waiting for IS to be running smoothly again, so gonna take the plunge on either of aforementioned services.
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I transferred into intersango over a week ago, still no sign of anything :(
Took the plunge on mtgox yesterday afternoon and I have an order placed this evening just before SR went down, so hopefully thats all ok.
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I'm telling you all Sang being fucked is the sign of the Mayan Armageddon. The 2012 phenomenon will begin with the staff of Sang giving up to play World of Warcraft and watch Japanese cartoon porn full time.
You have been warned.....
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The CFO made another announcement a little while ago guys.
Things will start to clear within the next 12-36 hours.
There is no liquidity problem, just a substantial backlog.
Just checked my account like 5 minutes ago and the funds i put in just over a week ago have cleared! :)
Hopefully everyone will have there money in the next few days, now im off on a SR shopping spree after this dry week, hf guys ;D
The UK sellers better be ready cuz i bet its gonna be a busy week :P
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Yep part of my money has turned up. I sent one amount, then a couple days later I sent a fiver as a test to see if new payments were working. The fiver has turned up! I'm hoping they are working backwards through the backlog.
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On the clear web there are more and more people saying there intersango money has turned up, so looks like everyone should be sorted soon.
Crisis averted, time to get high guys ;D
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Yeah but still no update on there site/status. On here and bitcointalk it seems to be the same kinda posts coming from people that there money is clearing (im not saying its people from here). I spoke with Patrick last night and he was very stressed as I can imagine. He said things will be back to normal in 12-36 hours then I read (at the same time) it would be 24-48 hours ? I mean come on ??
He then got VERY stroppy with me and said if I keep asking questions ill get banned ? This is the guy I was toldd to speak to.
I paid the 23rd, does that mean im in there "New" policy of a week wait?
ALL I WANT IS MY £100 in my account ASAP !!
:(
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I spoke with Patrick last night ...
I paid the ????...
ALL I WANT IS MY £???? in my account ASAP !!
nice way to stay anonymous mate ::)
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On the clear web there are more and more people saying there intersango money has turned up, so looks like everyone should be sorted soon.
Crisis averted, time to get high guys ;D
I hope this is true, been trying my best to stay patient and not annoy them about it as they no doubt have a shitload of messages to get through. Was just about to message them about it there until I read this so I will give it another day or so. Thanks for the info.
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I understand where your coming from rabrye, the way they handled this whole situation has been awful... automated replys to tickets, no communication on the site and letting people keep depositing even though all this was going on.
Sadly Intersango is a really important part of the UK bitcoin economy and if they had gone into liquidation like alot of people were saying it would done alot of damage to bitcoin in the UK and the price of coin would have taken a large hit like when bitcoinica went down a few months back.
I was freaking out myself until last night when my money appeared so just chill for abit and im sure it'll turn up soon along with everyone elses :)
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On the clear web there are more and more people saying there intersango money has turned up, so looks like everyone should be sorted soon.
Crisis averted, time to get high guys ;D
I hope this is true, been trying my best to stay patient and not annoy them about it as they no doubt have a shitload of messages to get through. Was just about to message them about it there until I read this so I will give it another day or so. Thanks for the info.
I must have messaged them about 5-6 times in the last 9 days mate, kept getting copy-pasta replys until i got through to someone.
Seems mazzarmazzar got his money as well, so hopefully everyone elses will be clearing soon and we can all get high and forget about this mess ;)
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Well I can safely say I won't be using Intersango ever again they seem a pretty shit 2 bit operation at best.
Im glad people have started to get their funds back, but seriously, wake up folks, they have not filed accounts, they have said min deposits of £100 with a holding period, this does not smell right.
If you get your cash/coins I would move them off asap.
I assumed that no one would see their money again fortunetly it seems that people will get them, but I think people should take this as a warning, something seems very wrong with intersango.
Vlad I think u'll be getting some mail mate. :D
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I spoke with Patrick last night ...
I paid the ????...
ALL I WANT IS MY £???? in my account ASAP !!
nice way to stay anonymous mate ::)
Nice
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Well im going to test with a few coins, i didn't have any money go missing during the down time so should be a good thing to try, bit paranoid about the under investigation story, ill put that down to weed though...
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Yeah but still no update on there site/status. On here and bitcointalk it seems to be the same kinda posts coming from people that there money is clearing (im not saying its people from here). I spoke with Patrick last night and he was very stressed as I can imagine. He said things will be back to normal in 12-36 hours then I read (at the same time) it would be 24-48 hours ? I mean come on ??
He then got VERY stroppy with me and said if I keep asking questions ill get banned ? This is the guy I was toldd to speak to....
I think thats the attitude that's done everyone's head in... cheeky bastards! If it is true that Metro have been messing them about then I for one would accept that; but responding aggressively to legitimate customer questions like that is disgraceful. It just makes them come across as amateurs, who can't handle it when they hit problems. As long as you were reasonably civil I think you are entitled to ask when the fuck they are gonna find your money!
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Yeah but still no update on there site/status. On here and bitcointalk it seems to be the same kinda posts coming from people that there money is clearing (im not saying its people from here). I spoke with Patrick last night and he was very stressed as I can imagine. He said things will be back to normal in 12-36 hours then I read (at the same time) it would be 24-48 hours ? I mean come on ??
He then got VERY stroppy with me and said if I keep asking questions ill get banned ? This is the guy I was toldd to speak to....
I think thats the attitude that's done everyone's head in... cheeky bastards! If it is true that Metro have been messing them about then I for one would accept that; but responding aggressively to legitimate customer questions like that is disgraceful. It just makes them come across as amateurs, who can't handle it when they hit problems. As long as you were reasonably civil I think you are entitled to ask when the fuck they are gonna find your money!
What a prick, its been a nightmare getting any information out of them. Id love to use vlad but the turn around time is too long, but saying that in the week or so instergam has been down iv brought some right shitty deals off the street. May just bite the bullet and wright to V.
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I had a small deposit made at metro come through today. I notice they still have the message up on their support page. Anybody else got theirs?
My question is, should I pay the £1 to withdraw and get the heck out? Or am I gonna get stuck again waiting for a withdrawal?
This has really dented my confidence in Intersango and what it's future might be.
Maybe I should deal and transfer my coins out to my home wallet or MtGox - do they let you deposit btc if you have an account? Not really used them.
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My deposit of GBP 450 has come through as well.
My choices at this stage seem to be trying to withdraw the money via the very bank which froze the account in the first place and paying GBP 6.29 per Bitcoin to convert them into BTC.
Neither option is particularly appealing so I have decided to sit on it and wait for the Bitcoin to normalise after everyone has finished panic buying.
I appreciate Intersango's efforts to make things right but this is the third time this has happened and I have lost faith in them. I have set up other methods for customers to get their BTC as I don't think they or their bank can be trusted to act in their client's best interests.
V.
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Still no signs of my coins from Intersango.. so annoying :(
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Having the exact same dilemma. Not sure I'd count on the price dropping much, the trading bots will see to that.
I think my only option is to deal and get my coins out of there and take the hit if the price does drop.
My deposit of GBP 450 has come through as well.
My choices at this stage seem to be trying to withdraw the money via the very bank which froze the account in the first place and paying GBP 6.29 per Bitcoin to convert them into BTC.
Neither option is particularly appealing so I have decided to sit on it and wait for the Bitcoin to normalise after everyone has finished panic buying.
I appreciate Intersango's efforts to make things right but this is the third time this has happened and I have lost faith in them. I have set up other methods for customers to get their BTC as I don't think they or their bank can be trusted to act in their client's best interests.
V.
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Mine hasn't turned up either. Sent them money 12 days ago. At least they haven't simply done a runner so I might actually get it back. Which is a semi relief, of sorts.
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I'm another one sweating on this.
Deposited last Friday thinking plenty of time to get my goodies for a big weekend on 11th but now I find this thread so im starting to worry now.
The most annoying thing is that im just 0.82 bit coins short of getting my order placed.
Anyone want to point me in the direction of where the kind folk hang out who like to borrow other kind folk such amounts of bit coins until this blows over for a very competitive interest rate? ha
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Fuck I was gonna buy some coins tomorrow via intersango. Do you guys reccomend leaving it for a bit?
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Fuck I was gonna buy some coins tomorrow via intersango. Do you guys reccomend leaving it for a bit?
Yeah I wouldn't purchase with them for a while till it all clears up.. I'd head over to Mt. Gox mate.
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I'm another one sweating on this.
Deposited last Friday thinking plenty of time to get my goodies for a big weekend on 11th but now I find this thread so im starting to worry now.
The most annoying thing is that im just 0.82 bit coins short of getting my order placed.
Anyone want to point me in the direction of where the kind folk hang out who like to borrow other kind folk such amounts of bit coins until this blows over for a very competitive interest rate? ha
Actually needing 0.33 bitcoins.
Is there a thread to sit there and beg with my hands open like a tramp?
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Fired off a very angry response after they closed yet another ticket of mine without resolving my issues.
Vlad & Rootzero when did u send them the funds?
This is the part that angered me the most seeing as I'm aware that you guys got funds
"We are still having problems with our bank account which we hope will be resolved tomorrow.
We have updated our status page to reflect the current status of our UK payment issues. We are happy to say the investigation seems to have ended favourably however we are still waiting on the resolution of a technical issue with Metro bank.
link to their status
We will update the status once the issue has been resolved or we have further information. If your issue has not been imported after the status says that it should be imported then please reopen this ticket. There is nothing to worry about but at that point. If you do not see your payment the reference code may have not been passed along correctly due to user error or incongruent banking standards. "
Any answers from them about why they've not submitted company accounts?
This still seems really fishy to me.
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Still they are trying to suggest that it might be our fault. "right we've fixed everything now . If you still haven't got your money you must have typed the reference wrong"
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They appear to be just dragging things out to scam people. Every message or response is "48 hours, 48 hours".
Anyone who knows Spanish will know what I mean by mañana mañana.... I hate this attitude. I feel ashamed by these fellow UK citizens.
Intersango:
While we have been told that our account is fully operational, we still cannot access all the data we need.
So what you're saying Intersango, is that it's working but it's not. Just give us a clear yes or no for f**k sake, it's like reading something a child wrote when making excuses for bad behavior to their parents.
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SPOT ON !!!
How do I + Karma you :)
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Well iv made a deposit, (small) and nothing is showing, its really frustrating as i have a man holding some hash for me waiting till my coins arrive.
-10 to interstango for lack of basic communication skills.
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Well iv made a deposit, (small) and nothing is showing, its really frustrating as i have a man holding some hash for me waiting till my coins arrive.
-10 to interstango for lack of basic communication skills.
You mean you deposited a small amount to Metro ? Ive done the same yesterday £1, to test the waters. Nothin showing in my Inter(youvebeen(tangoed's) account ??
hmmm....
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I, like everyone else on this thread, have cash and BTC's tied up with Intersango, but after poking around the bitcoin forums it's pretty clear to me that these guys are incompetent and unconcerned at best and just plain scammers at worse. I've kissed it all goodbye :(
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My cash is now on my account after nearly 2 weeks, Scared to buy bitcoins though just in case there is some kind of problem.
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Latest statement from intersango:
A recent investigation by our UK bank (Metro bank) into our bank account halted our ability to accept and send payments out. Non GBP payment aspects of Intersango were also indirectly effected due to workload. We are working hard to catch up with these issues and hope to have everything running smoothly within the next 24 to 48 hours. We are deeply sorry for all the inconvenience this has caused.
While the issue started on the 15th or the 16th as best we can tell, we were not told about the account limitation until the 20th or 21st. Depending on the type of investigation Metro bank conducted, they may legally have the obligation to have kept secret the investigation and the limitations on our account, we are not sure.
On the 30th, we received an email stating:
"The Intersango Ltd account with Metro Bank is now fully operational, our initial enquiries having been completed."
We take this as a sign that the investigation went favourably and we hope that this will give us more credibility with both Metro bank and our users. Unfortunately, our inability to conduct business during this time has certainly hurt our business.
While we have been told that our account is fully operational, we still cannot access all the data we need. We have experienced this same issue 3 times before with Metro bank and it has been deemed a technical error.
We contacted Metro bank today regarding the issue at 8AM when they opened and we were told that the issue was passed on to the tech department. Unfortunately, we have yet to hear back. We will attempt to call tomorrow again at 8AM. In the past, the exact same issue has always been fixable.
Our UK bank issues have resulted in a plethora of tickets which will be all answered in time. For now, all pending_review payments should have cleared. All issues regarding manual administrator assistance are being taken care of as well. Many of the larger outgoing BTC payments were not processed due to an emptying of the live wallet however we hope to rectify the matter tonight.
We are sorry for the inconvenience and hope to catch up with all the tickets and issues which have resulted in the next 24 to 48 hours however we need to wait for Metro bank's resolution of their technical issue for UK related payments.
Sincerely,
Team Intersango
I'm still waiting for the larger of my two deposits. When the fiver showed up I started getting my hopes up!
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Latest statement from intersango:
A recent investigation by our UK bank (Metro bank) into our bank account halted our ability to accept and send payments out. Non GBP payment aspects of Intersango were also indirectly effected due to workload. We are working hard to catch up with these issues and hope to have everything running smoothly within the next 24 to 48 hours. We are deeply sorry for all the inconvenience this has caused.
While the issue started on the 15th or the 16th as best we can tell, we were not told about the account limitation until the 20th or 21st. Depending on the type of investigation Metro bank conducted, they may legally have the obligation to have kept secret the investigation and the limitations on our account, we are not sure.
On the 30th, we received an email stating:
"The Intersango Ltd account with Metro Bank is now fully operational, our initial enquiries having been completed."
We take this as a sign that the investigation went favourably and we hope that this will give us more credibility with both Metro bank and our users. Unfortunately, our inability to conduct business during this time has certainly hurt our business.
While we have been told that our account is fully operational, we still cannot access all the data we need. We have experienced this same issue 3 times before with Metro bank and it has been deemed a technical error.
We contacted Metro bank today regarding the issue at 8AM when they opened and we were told that the issue was passed on to the tech department. Unfortunately, we have yet to hear back. We will attempt to call tomorrow again at 8AM. In the past, the exact same issue has always been fixable.
Our UK bank issues have resulted in a plethora of tickets which will be all answered in time. For now, all pending_review payments should have cleared. All issues regarding manual administrator assistance are being taken care of as well. Many of the larger outgoing BTC payments were not processed due to an emptying of the live wallet however we hope to rectify the matter tonight.
We are sorry for the inconvenience and hope to catch up with all the tickets and issues which have resulted in the next 24 to 48 hours however we need to wait for Metro bank's resolution of their technical issue for UK related payments.
Sincerely,
Team Intersango
I'm still waiting for the larger of my two deposits. When the fiver showed up I started getting my hopes up!
...honestly and people tell me they think my cash in the mail service is unreliable. Touching wood, I haven't lost a single package yet!
V.
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my money has just cleared and I expect many others have, surprise surprise bitcoin prices are going up with demand. there's the scam!!
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It's a Trap!
Nah but seriously money finally cleared and the asking prices have gone through the fucking roof! Now can't deposit fuck all in SR and the prices are fixed! Can't log into my forum account either!
Fuck this, Lim is right 2012 armageddon
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My money's come through. 10btc for 85£ madness.
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When my money came through three days ago my choices were to try to withdraw through the bank that had apparently frozen their assets in the first place our buy Bitcoins at a price of £6.29 each when the Bitcoin was trading for £6.14 on MtGox - needless to say I have chosen the Bitcoins and they are safely tucked away in the stock exchange.
I'm sorry if anyone found my previous post conceited but you wouldn't believe the number of messages I get from people saying "Oh, why shouldn't we just go to Intersango?" :-)
V.
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Anyone tried:
https://localbitcoins.com
Also, fyi:
http://www.royalmail.com/delivery/mail-advice/sending-cash
Maybe I'm wrong vlad?
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I agree totally with everyone's concerns about Intersango. I've only recently opened an account with them, and now that my initial money has finally been cleared today, I've now withdrawn it all as Bitcoins into SR... and I will NOT be using Intersango again. It's taken about 7 emails to their Support pages, and finally a separate email to their support@intersango.com address. I've not actually had any reply to this last email sent yesterday, but miraculously, my account was credited when I checked this morning - so perhaps the backlog is finally clearing. However, appalling customer service all round.
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It's a shame because there is no better or quicker service available for people in the UK to obtain BTC when they are running smoothly. But I have to say, I'll be giving them a wide while this is going on and have looked to alternatives, but they are just not as convenient for me as using Intersango.
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It's a shame because there is no better or quicker service available for people in the UK to obtain BTC when they are running smoothly. But I have to say, I'll be giving them a wide while this is going on and have looked to alternatives, but they are just not as convenient for me as using Intersango.
As previous posters have said, aside from the fact that the Bitcoin purchases can be linked to your identity (which in itself is a very compelling reason to avoid exchanges!), Intersango used to be able to process orders within a few hours on a good day. However given that their own bank can arbitrarily freeze their account at any time and given the strong possibility that the whole company's been run from some teen's bedroom I'd say look to the alternatives - that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone has to use my service of course, we've seen localbitcoins already, Craigslist will also sometimes list them.
V.
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anyone tried a withdrawl £'s from IS? Any idea s of the timeframe involved in actually getting it back?
i ve asked them why they have nt submitted co. acc's will report back if they answer
gl all
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I've been trying to withdraw £'s from Intersango since the middle of July. So far I've heard nothing.
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I pointed out the problems with Intersango's setup a long time ago in this thread
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=24736.0
Some people replied saying "I just used it and its fine"
My point was always that when it works, it works well but when there is a problem Intersango will not deal with it promptly.
As a result I dont use them anymore.
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So whats happening with intersango today? I have been able to put bits into intersango and take bits out again to SR the whole time. The problem was withdrawing £s. I put a withdrawal in ages ago and it never cleared and Ive been waiting ever since, almost a month.
Some people have stared to see things happening but has anyone had a withdrawal of £s arrive.
I love intersango, they are the best, even with the recent problems. When they are running smoothly it is the best service for me, so easy, hassle free, totally great. Its been a nightmare this last month, but hopefully they will be running smoothly again.
When every single customer sends 10 emails a day then thats it, the whole thing shuts down. It amazes me reading 'they havnt replied to 10 emails' why keep sending them then? They ended up shutting the message thing down coz they couldnt deal with it.
I love them, even with the recent problems, as long as it all gets sorted out then Im fine. If it turns out they were scamming everyone all along then I will quietly remove this post and start writing posts that say 'I knew it all along'.
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I love intersango, they are the best, even with the recent problems. When they are running smoothly it is the best service for me, so easy, hassle free, totally great. Its been a nightmare this last month, but hopefully they will be running smoothly again.
...To my count this is the third time something like this has happened and Metro could suspend the account at any time again - is this really as hassle free as you hoped? The only delays I've ever had in my service was when I used to rely on Intersango for some of the coins I sold to customers. I've moved operations away from them entirely now, they're just a liability - Metro bank are just punching above their weight, they're simply not well established enough to stand up to organisations like SOCA.
V.
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I love them, even with the recent problems, as long as it all gets sorted out then Im fine. If it turns out they were scamming everyone all along then I will quietly remove this post and start writing posts that say 'I knew it all along'.
Haha this made me smile.
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I love them, even with the recent problems, as long as it all gets sorted out then Im fine. If it turns out they were scamming everyone all along then I will quietly remove this post and start writing posts that say 'I knew it all along'.
Haha this made me smile.
It makes me laugh nowadays when people say they feel nervous about sending a stranger cash in the mail - if you think Intersango is more trustworthy... ;-D
V.
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I tried a withdrawal but noever got sent, so i just cancelled, dealt (making a few quid in the recent volatility) and moved my coins out to an offline wallet for now. Lets hope the price doesn't crash now!
I think they will sort it out, but i agree with Lim, they're a couple of geeks in a garage and they've got some catching up to do!
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I tried a withdrawal but noever got sent, so i just cancelled, dealt (making a few quid in the recent volatility) and moved my coins out to an offline wallet for now. Lets hope the price doesn't crash now!
I think they will sort it out, but i agree with Lim, they're a couple of geeks in a garage and they've got some catching up to do!
I rest my case...!
V.
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I finally received all the money I had tied up in my Intersango a/c, 34 days after requesting it. I suppose this sort of caper goes with the territory if you're dealing with BTC, I must admit I'm surprised that they have come through. I shouldn't use em any more but I know what a lazy sod I am.....
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i wouldnt use them again, im trying mtgox at the moment
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I used them this time too Sara and its a little slower as it doesn't credit to your account the same day, but it is still the best other option unless you want to pay commission to Vlad and do the cash in post thing which I'm sure is a good service too but its just the fees that swayed my decision. Its cheaper there than IntSang too! Bonus!
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I used them this time too Sara and its a little slower as it doesn't credit to your account the same day, but it is still the best other option unless you want to pay commission to Vlad and do the cash in post thing which I'm sure is a good service too but its just the fees that swayed my decision. Its cheaper there than IntSang too! Bonus!
Hi Geedog,
I'm not sure Intersango will go back to the same day credit service but even if they do if they could get locked down at any time, it's a hell of a risk to take with your money!
I appreciate that my service does cost more than going via MtGox but I try to emphasise security over convenience - yes of course if you might only get £180 rather than £200 for my service for instance but the advantage is that you don't have to wire money from your own bank account to buy the Bitcoins, thus leaving a permanent paper trail, which will show anyone with access to your bank/Mtgox's records that you have bought them.
You can mitigate this risk slightly by running your coins through a mixer such as Bitcoinfog but it will always be possible to prove you originally purchased the coins and I imagine you can do without that kind of attention, particularly if you're in the dock trying to explain that you had absolutely no idea what was in that package when you signed for it :-) - my commission is a small price to pay for your peace of mind!
In any case, I've decided to cut Intersango out altogether from my service. This is the third time they've screwed up, my clients deserve better!
V.
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I finally received all the money I had tied up in my Intersango a/c, 34 days after requesting it. I suppose this sort of caper goes with the territory if you're dealing with BTC, I must admit I'm surprised that they have come through. I shouldn't use em any more but I know what a lazy sod I am.....
This sort of caper happens when you use Micky Mouse companies like Intersango, they simply have nothing in place for when things go wrong.
If any other currency exchange acted like Intersango, they would be shut down by their regulators.
What you are dealing with is a couple of kids with a fancy website running a company out of their garage.
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I used them this time too Sara and its a little slower as it doesn't credit to your account the same day, but it is still the best other option unless you want to pay commission to Vlad and do the cash in post thing which I'm sure is a good service too but its just the fees that swayed my decision. Its cheaper there than IntSang too! Bonus!
Hi Geedog,
I'm not sure Intersango will go back to the same day credit service but even if they do if they could get locked down at any time, it's a hell of a risk to take with your money!
I appreciate that my service does cost more than going via MtGox but I try to emphasise security over convenience - yes of course if you might only get £180 rather than £200 for my service for instance but the advantage is that you don't have to wire money from your own bank account to buy the Bitcoins, thus leaving a permanent paper trail, which will show anyone with access to your bank/Mtgox's records that you have bought them.
You can mitigate this risk slightly by running your coins through a mixer such as Bitcoinfog but it will always be possible to prove you originally purchased the coins and I imagine you can do without that kind of attention, particularly if you're in the dock trying to explain that you had absolutely no idea what was in that package when you signed for it :-) - my commission is a small price to pay for your peace of mind!
In any case, I've decided to cut Intersango out altogether from my service. This is the third time they've screwed up, my clients deserve better!
V.
Why dont you run a cheaper wire transfer service?
Personally Im more concerned with turn around time that anonymity.
The postal service is over the top for my needs.
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EZ Vlad.....I totally hear you on the advantages of using the cash in post service and yes it is I believe a small price to pay for the anon nature. I just take the stance of 'oh they would not be interested in lil old me as just a smallish buyer' which is foolish, but I feel is correct. I only intended originally to buy a few random things every now n then off SR, but this has escalated and I do buy pretty frequently so I think it's about time I did a security audit and perhaps change my ways of doing certain processes to allow more safe use of SR and in it for the long haul!!! I may well be in touch Vlad bruv..... :)
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I used them this time too Sara and its a little slower as it doesn't credit to your account the same day, but it is still the best other option unless you want to pay commission to Vlad and do the cash in post thing which I'm sure is a good service too but its just the fees that swayed my decision. Its cheaper there than IntSang too! Bonus!
Hi Geedog,
I'm not sure Intersango will go back to the same day credit service but even if they do if they could get locked down at any time, it's a hell of a risk to take with your money!
I appreciate that my service does cost more than going via MtGox but I try to emphasise security over convenience - yes of course if you might only get £180 rather than £200 for my service for instance but the advantage is that you don't have to wire money from your own bank account to buy the Bitcoins, thus leaving a permanent paper trail, which will show anyone with access to your bank/Mtgox's records that you have bought them.
You can mitigate this risk slightly by running your coins through a mixer such as Bitcoinfog but it will always be possible to prove you originally purchased the coins and I imagine you can do without that kind of attention, particularly if you're in the dock trying to explain that you had absolutely no idea what was in that package when you signed for it :-) - my commission is a small price to pay for your peace of mind!
In any case, I've decided to cut Intersango out altogether from my service. This is the third time they've screwed up, my clients deserve better!
V.
Why dont you run a cheaper wire transfer service?
Personally Im more concerned with turn around time that anonymity.
The postal service is over the top for my needs.
After what's happened to Intersango, you can easily answer your own question! Bank accounts imply centralisation, which in turn implies regulation which means not only can the account be shut down on a whim but any fool with access to the bank's records will be able to see who has been buying Bitcoin. As you know I work in a bank myself and have fielded enquiries like these from Police in the past.
Cash in the mail cannot be regulated in the same way as there's no obvious way to determine the sender by monitoring the receiver's address. LEO could even open the envelopes (as they have done on occasion), and it would do them no good as all they'd see is cash and an order number, which has no significance to anyone except myself and the customer.
The turnaround time is important too - I like to think I run a fairly right ship as an extra one or two working days isn't too much to ask for the kind of safety you'll receive but I wonder if focusing on speed over safety is approaching the issue from the right end? It takes more time to learn how to encrypt your address with GPG after all but it's still a very good idea to do so!
V.
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Yeah, I'm done with Sango anyway now.....I know it's safer all round to use your service Vlad but I bet 75% of people on this site use MtGox or Intersango, unless they use the moneypak thing in the US etc....
Like I say, I'm sure I'll pay your store a visit soon enough dude! :)
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Yeah, I'm done with Sango anyway now.....I know it's safer all round to use your service Vlad but I bet 75% of people on this site use MtGox or Intersango, unless they use the moneypak thing in the US etc....
Like I say, I'm sure I'll pay your store a visit soon enough dude! :)
I hope you're right, I'm happy to service 25% of all UK/EU users! :-) - I'd take no pleasure in being proven right in this way but if Metro have filed an SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) then the Police are within their rights to view all transactions - the best we can hope for is that it would be an inefficient use of resources to chase up each person for buying BTC. It would be much easier to tackle the problem from the other end by monitoring the mail at random and marrying it up with an exchange's records like I said. I don't want to cause anyone to panic as certainly in my own bank (which has been around for considerably longer than Metro!) I'm not aware of us specifically monitoring transfers to Bitcoin exchanges but then again I wouldn't need to be told this as I'm working in a different department these days. :-)
V.
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my thoughts:
-is anyone considering providing a similar (anon) btc exchange service a sort of a hybrid intersango? intersango issue always seems to be the
'bank account'.
-how about other payment methods, ukash, postal orders
-solving the bank account issue is key!
-how about SR providing a ukash (?!) payment escrow service, ukash are easy to get, just punch in the No# and the SR transaction is processed
by either the btc vendor or SR partner with an exchange to process them..!? (nobody has to know who the exchange is except DPR/admins..less
risk to either parties its just business as usual they are just transactions; questions is what the service fee would be!)
TWM
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Are deposits back to normal with intersango? How long are they taking to upload into accounts?
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sorry to bump
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my thoughts:
-is anyone considering providing a similar (anon) btc exchange service a sort of a hybrid intersango? intersango issue always seems to be the
'bank account'.
-how about other payment methods, ukash, postal orders
-solving the bank account issue is key!
-how about SR providing a ukash (?!) payment escrow service, ukash are easy to get, just punch in the No# and the SR transaction is processed
by either the btc vendor or SR partner with an exchange to process them..!? (nobody has to know who the exchange is except DPR/admins..less
risk to either parties its just business as usual they are just transactions; questions is what the service fee would be!)
TWM
Hi TWM,
I've never been convinced Ukash is particularly anonymous ; there's the fact that you'd have to walk into a newsagents or similar to buy a voucher and they invariably have security cameras - the code is also unique so wouldn't it be possible to trace it back to the location where it was purchased? I did consider Ukash as an option but realised cash in the mail was much safer as that way even I wouldn't know my customer's identities - true anonymity ; not quite so fast as inputting a voucher code but much safer!
V.
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how do people turn ukash into cash ,betting accounts but u carnt do loads thru them can u get a liecence or whatever to cash out but they would no who cashed the ukash number anyway
basicly if u score of someone and pay ukash can u find out who cashed the number
if sango are being investigated the cops will focus on whos been withdrawing thru them more than depositing
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i had used intersango for near a year and always had problems with them but kept going back, no more, i use mtgox now
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i had used intersango for near a year and always had problems with them but kept going back, no more, i use mtgox now
Same here, been using Intersango for 7-8 months and had to contact support about 10 times which is unacceptable from a business, the only thing they had going for them was there deposit times since you could deposit and normally get your coins same day which has also gone downhill since the recent debacle, last deposit took 5 days and that was after the troubles were sorted. Gox takes 2-3 days to get your money but at least they are reliable...
Been speaking to a few exchangers on the bitcointalk forum to try find someone who does cheap gbp > btc trades, the people I spoke to warned me not to use Intersango anymore as they may be going down soon, don't know if these claims are true but thought i'd let everyone know.
Also found this yesterday http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/bitcoinica-users-sue-for-460k-in-lost-bitcoins/ which may have something to do with it as the guys who run Intersango are the same guys that owned Bitcoinica and some people are still waiting on hundreds of thousands $ worth of coins from there security hack that happened back in May.
It might just be rumors going around but I wanted to let everyone know as i'd hate to see silk road members losing there money to the muppets that run Intersango.
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I agree too, I've taken all my business away from Sango.
The way they handled the recent incident was absolutely awful, possibly the worst way it could have been dealt with. Some of the complete nonsense they were spouting to me in my support tickets was totally unbelievable.
I think their wallet got emptied recently causing even more problems for some.
My advice is stay well away from them.
They are completely unprofessional and there is a lot of negative speculation going on all over the btc forums about their looming demise. They may be quicker when they work, but when it goes wrong you're left in limbo with excuses that don't add up.
Gox seem better, slow, but better rates too. Not 100% clear on their charging structure though.
Currently investigating RL vendors listed on sites like https://localbitcoins.com/ (more on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade#Local.2FIn-Hand_Exchanges )
Would love to do it myself, if I had a shop or convenience store nearby it would be ace, might be worth asking your local store if they would get involved.
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I deposited money in to their account whilst these problems were still ongoing, luckily it was toward the end of the problems and within the next two days I had my deposits showing up and got my Bitcoins. They seem shady as fuck to me and weren't they involved with that bitcoinica website which was hacked and people lost massive amounts of money? According to some clearnet forums, they aren't interested in their customers and are holding back on issueing claims.?
I wont be using them again.
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my thoughts:
-is anyone considering providing a similar (anon) btc exchange service a sort of a hybrid intersango? intersango issue always seems to be the
'bank account'.
-how about other payment methods, ukash, postal orders
-solving the bank account issue is key!
-how about SR providing a ukash (?!) payment escrow service, ukash are easy to get, just punch in the No# and the SR transaction is processed
by either the btc vendor or SR partner with an exchange to process them..!? (nobody has to know who the exchange is except DPR/admins..less
risk to either parties its just business as usual they are just transactions; questions is what the service fee would be!)
TWM
Hi TWM,
I've never been convinced Ukash is particularly anonymous ; there's the fact that you'd have to walk into a newsagents or similar to buy a voucher and they invariably have security cameras - the code is also unique so wouldn't it be possible to trace it back to the location where it was purchased? I did consider Ukash as an option but realised cash in the mail was much safer as that way even I wouldn't know my customer's identities - true anonymity ; not quite so fast as inputting a voucher code but much safer!
V.
vlad1m1r,
-fair argument, but a bank account they know everything about you, cameras in outlets dont reveal your name nor details and may not
be of much use thats also assuming its location is perfectly installed getting enough video of you...otherwise you're some arbitrary customer
(dont buy all your ukash's from your local cornershop); would have to involve an enormous effort for LE revolving around capturing and
identifying thousands of hours of footage which may or may not ever ever be needed in a future investigation.
- ukash vouchers could go into a kitty and just as btc's are put through a tumbler, vendor is creditted for the amount, vendor sends the product.
the individual vendor might never need to know which ukash voucher paid for the actual sale.
(sorry dont know how a "shop" cashes a ukash, assume its keying in a No similar to any electronic transaction, if the voucher is valid the
shop receive its credit..)
- so if 100 buyers bought ukash vouchers from all usa,eu & uk and are cashed randomly theres no relationship between the "buyer" & seller
nor connection to the sale.
- partnering with a exchange is in itself randomising and anonymising the transaction; what about buyers topping up with ukash (for example)
SR is just the go-between.
buyer nor vendor need to know who the exchanger is/was?!
ukash in --> credit out..
trust ensures A pays B
I would be happy to pay a single but reduced fee for the convenience, instead of a % for each service.
(Just trying to help)
TWM
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What's the best place for GBP transfers then? Mt.Gox?
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love the ukash idea
no offence or anything vlad its just your fee s are v v high imo
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