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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: iluv3trade on April 24, 2012, 09:05 pm
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I could supply SIM cards from a well known european gsm provider, no personal info required and the phone number is sent by sms. The cards have ~7 euros on them and they have roaming agreements worldwide so you can use it in any country. Would you buy it on SR ?
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no one ?
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perhaps i would be interested
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It has been said often enough, but I will repeat it still:
You need to get rid of the old phone, too.
Just changing the SIM-card will not be sufficient, the phone itself is sending a code (called IMEI) which most operators,
at least in Europe, save like the IMSI (SIM-identifier) and the MSISDN (phone-number).
It might be possible to change the IMEI with certain phones, but unless you are absolutely sure that
the method works, better buy cheap phones together with the SIM-cards. SIMlock or no doesn't matter since you
will want to use one SIM in the phone only anyway.
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You're perfectly right there sbaxter, the best option would be to buy cheap "burn phones", but we don't have that either in Europe because you have to provide an id when buying one.
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you have to provide an id when buying one.
Do you live in a dystopian novel? I thought ID for claritin was oppressive enough.
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you have to provide an id when buying one.
Do you live in a dystopian novel? I thought ID for claritin was oppressive enough.
lol, harsh but true. Enough time and you get used to cameras on the streets, police routine controls or neighbors not minding their business but yours.
/off topic
Still offering the SIM cards here. You could get them for 50-70 euros on the street and call it a price, combine that with an easy to change IMEI phone and you're off the radar. All cards have an initial credit of aprox. 5-7 euros on them. I could sell for 1/3 street price on SR and still make a fair profit.
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is there a listing I can look at?
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is there a listing I can look at?
not right now, just gaging interest. Will put a listing when i manage to gather the seller fees, they are way too high for me right now. Please be patient.
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sounds good, will stand by..
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You're perfectly right there sbaxter, the best option would be to buy cheap "burn phones", but we don't have that either in Europe because you have to provide an id when buying one.
I've been asked for ID before now when purchasing phones. Asked that is.
But usually there's no actual rules in place to make that a legal requirement. It's usually just company policy. Time for social engineering class:
This makes life very simple. You buy phone, cash is on table, they ask for ID --> "No". What is your personal details? --> "I don't care what you type up or write down, don't like getting spam emails/telesales calls etc". There is no reason to lie, lots of people are protective of their information being given out to companies for no reason.
If they don't cooperate, you walk off with your cash. Obviously, this works for prepaid credit phones, not contracts, where it's perfectly reasonable for the company to expect some information to hold you to the contract.
I have bought hundreds of phones, I have never once encountered a problem. I have also purchased many many other items that DO legally require ID. Strangely enough, when faced with an option of sale or no sale, they make the sale and do whatever sacrifice needs to be done to appease the gods of bureaucracy. That suits me, since I wouldn't know how to submit the correct data typically without extensive study, whereas it's practically a reflex for them. The only time I have ever been refused a product that needed ID, when when I forgot my ID and an apparently religiously motivated individual behind the counter refused to sell me alcohol (she was young, and misunderstood the rules).
You don't need to bribe people. People already see the government regulations preventing them making a sale as a major obstacle to their volume of sales. The majority of the time people are only too pleased to engage in a pint-sized rebellion against their paper tigers.
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I have a load of O2 SIM cards from the UK, I asked before if anyone would be interested and was told they would provided they came with credit already on them, glad to see there's some interest, might list a couple on my seller account myself!
V.
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You're perfectly right there sbaxter, the best option would be to buy cheap "burn phones", but we don't have that either in Europe because you have to provide an id when buying one.
I've been asked for ID before now when purchasing phones. Asked that is.
But usually there's no actual rules in place to make that a legal requirement. It's usually just company policy. Time for social engineering class:
This makes life very simple. You buy phone, cash is on table, they ask for ID --> "No". What is your personal details? --> "I don't care what you type up or write down, don't like getting spam emails/telesales calls etc". There is no reason to lie, lots of people are protective of their information being given out to companies for no reason.
If they don't cooperate, you walk off with your cash. Obviously, this works for prepaid credit phones, not contracts, where it's perfectly reasonable for the company to expect some information to hold you to the contract.
I have bought hundreds of phones, I have never once encountered a problem. I have also purchased many many other items that DO legally require ID. Strangely enough, when faced with an option of sale or no sale, they make the sale and do whatever sacrifice needs to be done to appease the gods of bureaucracy. That suits me, since I wouldn't know how to submit the correct data typically without extensive study, whereas it's practically a reflex for them. The only time I have ever been refused a product that needed ID, when when I forgot my ID and an apparently religiously motivated individual behind the counter refused to sell me alcohol (she was young, and misunderstood the rules).
You don't need to bribe people. People already see the government regulations preventing them making a sale as a major obstacle to their volume of sales. The majority of the time people are only too pleased to engage in a pint-sized rebellion against their paper tigers.
Yeah, life hasn't always been this strange. Some laws have been passed lately in EU, after the major "terrorist attacks" or false flags op, requiring some form of ID and data collection for acquiring these kind of items. So if you want to be able to maintain a decent level of anonymity having a reliable source is kind of crucial.
@vlad1m1r I see what you did there :) , a little competition is always welcome
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You're perfectly right there sbaxter, the best option would be to buy cheap "burn phones", but we don't have that either in Europe because you have to provide an id when buying one.
I've been asked for ID before now when purchasing phones. Asked that is.
But usually there's no actual rules in place to make that a legal requirement. It's usually just company policy. Time for social engineering class:
This makes life very simple. You buy phone, cash is on table, they ask for ID --> "No". What is your personal details? --> "I don't care what you type up or write down, don't like getting spam emails/telesales calls etc". There is no reason to lie, lots of people are protective of their information being given out to companies for no reason.
If they don't cooperate, you walk off with your cash. Obviously, this works for prepaid credit phones, not contracts, where it's perfectly reasonable for the company to expect some information to hold you to the contract.
I have bought hundreds of phones, I have never once encountered a problem. I have also purchased many many other items that DO legally require ID. Strangely enough, when faced with an option of sale or no sale, they make the sale and do whatever sacrifice needs to be done to appease the gods of bureaucracy. That suits me, since I wouldn't know how to submit the correct data typically without extensive study, whereas it's practically a reflex for them. The only time I have ever been refused a product that needed ID, when when I forgot my ID and an apparently religiously motivated individual behind the counter refused to sell me alcohol (she was young, and misunderstood the rules).
You don't need to bribe people. People already see the government regulations preventing them making a sale as a major obstacle to their volume of sales. The majority of the time people are only too pleased to engage in a pint-sized rebellion against their paper tigers.
Yeah, life hasn't always been this strange. Some laws have been passed lately in EU, after the major "terrorist attacks" or false flags op, requiring some form of ID and data collection for acquiring these kind of items. So if you want to be able to maintain a decent level of anonymity having a reliable source is kind of crucial.
@vlad1m1r I see what you did there :) , a little competition is always welcome
Hi Iluvtrade,
In fairness I did write a post about this offering SIM cards two weeks ago! I can only offer UK sims in any case so you have the rest of the EU to yourself. :-)
V.
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You're perfectly right there sbaxter, the best option would be to buy cheap "burn phones", but we don't have that either in Europe because you have to provide an id when buying one.
I've been asked for ID before now when purchasing phones. Asked that is.
But usually there's no actual rules in place to make that a legal requirement. It's usually just company policy. Time for social engineering class:
This makes life very simple. You buy phone, cash is on table, they ask for ID --> "No". What is your personal details? --> "I don't care what you type up or write down, don't like getting spam emails/telesales calls etc". There is no reason to lie, lots of people are protective of their information being given out to companies for no reason.
If they don't cooperate, you walk off with your cash. Obviously, this works for prepaid credit phones, not contracts, where it's perfectly reasonable for the company to expect some information to hold you to the contract.
I have bought hundreds of phones, I have never once encountered a problem. I have also purchased many many other items that DO legally require ID. Strangely enough, when faced with an option of sale or no sale, they make the sale and do whatever sacrifice needs to be done to appease the gods of bureaucracy. That suits me, since I wouldn't know how to submit the correct data typically without extensive study, whereas it's practically a reflex for them. The only time I have ever been refused a product that needed ID, when when I forgot my ID and an apparently religiously motivated individual behind the counter refused to sell me alcohol (she was young, and misunderstood the rules).
You don't need to bribe people. People already see the government regulations preventing them making a sale as a major obstacle to their volume of sales. The majority of the time people are only too pleased to engage in a pint-sized rebellion against their paper tigers.
Yeah, life hasn't always been this strange. Some laws have been passed lately in EU, after the major "terrorist attacks" or false flags op, requiring some form of ID and data collection for acquiring these kind of items. So if you want to be able to maintain a decent level of anonymity having a reliable source is kind of crucial.
@vlad1m1r I see what you did there :) , a little competition is always welcome
Hi Iluvtrade,
In fairness I did write a post about this offering SIM cards two weeks ago! I can only offer UK sims in any case so you have the rest of the EU to yourself. :-)
V.
Great, let's sell some card then
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i just sent you a private message, reply asap
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even better start up an entire new site with escrow that users can trade sim cards to each other and handsets. there are some forums like this already but all using sucky sucky paypal
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i just sent you a private message, reply asap
pm replied and market pm sent
@h4xx why bother dude we already have SR, although the seller fee is way to high for some of us
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even better start up an entire new site with escrow that users can trade sim cards to each other and handsets. there are some forums like this already but all using sucky sucky paypal
An excellent idea but for the amounts in question i.e up to USD 50, SR seller fees are only 10% so I think I'll use the site itself to sell SIMs, best of luck with your venture though!
V.
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Maybe this is of interest to someone:
http://5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php?p=view_listing&id=2809
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Looks good but I imagine customers will want the item shipped from UK - plus at £80 the cost is a bit steep.
An excellent idea in principle though. Mobiles can be traced through their IMEI number so it's important to obtain PAYG handsets anonymously and dispose of them regularly.
With regard to the 3G question someone posed earlier (I think it was on this thread) I've been told by people in the know that a PAYG 3G Sim is fine for anonymity - your specific 3G card/dongle can't be tracked in the same way as a mobile apparently - this surprised me but apparently they don't have an IMEI number.
I hope to start offering SIMS preloaded with say £10 credit soon on SR if that'd be of any interest to people keen on gaining another layer of security to browse the web anonymously.
V.
Maybe this is of interest to someone:
http://5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php?p=view_listing&id=2809