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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: goangod on April 23, 2012, 08:22 am
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was just about to head off today to a metro bank to make a cash deposit,had a quick check on sango and now i find out that no more cash deposits accepted into intersango account WTF !!!!! this was such an easy process,anyway whats the alternatives in the uk ? i take it llyoyds its no longer used by intersango
what are peeps doing to get there coin in the uk,,i wanna make an order today and need coin asap
any help appreciated
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i checked on there website and it still has the metro account details up ? seems odd that they wouldn't take your deposit
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i checked on there website and it still has the metro account details up ? seems odd that they wouldn't take your deposit
correct but they no longer accept cash deposits only wire transfer and im not linking my personal account to metro to inter to SR
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You can try MTGox. They accept cash deposits from Barclays. It takes approx. 24 hours on average though depending on when you do the deposit as they're in a completely different time zone. (so, if you deposited today, you'd probably find it credited in the middle of the night tonight).
Don't access MTGox when using TOR though, it pisses them off and they'll ask for ID documents.
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You can try MTGox. They accept cash deposits from Barclays. It takes approx. 24 hours on average though depending on when you do the deposit as they're in a completely different time zone. (so, if you deposited today, you'd probably find it credited in the middle of the night tonight).
Don't access MTGox when using TOR though, it pisses them off and they'll ask for ID documents.
i have just had the exact above problem with mt gox,
i thought i had forgotten my password,after numerous attempts i sent them an email asking to sort it out,they did reset my account but they also added in the mail that using a proxy or tor etc will block the account
i have made a deposit to barclays before this happened,now im wondering whats the best way to access mt gox as i cant use tor,bit of a nightmare
the whole coin issue has just been made harder in the uk with metro not accepting cash,,was going along very smoothly until today
anyone got any advice on the next best way to access mt gov and try and be a stealth as poss ?
cheers
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Just use BitCoin Fog as soon as you get your lunch from Sang. Sorted.
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So there was this service where you could get a couple of bitcoins with your mobile credit.
So; if you find that service online:
Then obtain a cheap mobile and top it up with credit (cash in both cases, don't register the mobile).
Only put in the battery (you can always recharge with your regular phone) when you're far away from your place of residence.
Put in the battery. Send appropriate txt msg to the service. Recieve bitcoins in a wallet. Do that a couple of dozen times and you'll have a way of converting your currency into B$ without worrying about CCTV in banks or suspicious tellers.
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That's only for small amounts of Bitcoin really. Your thumbs would get tired after a while.
The other thing to do, is make a OTC transaction (that is: there are services online that find people willing to sell you Bitcoin, so you can meet up with them in person in a cafe somewhere and convert your cash to Bitcoin that way). That's good for large quantities of Bitcoin.
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Supposedly you can access MtGox reasonably securely using a secure shell host from shellmix.com with the application putty. But I can't get it to work with firefox and alas, nobody will tell me how. If you figure it out do post. Dealing with them from a netcafe is probably a bad idea isnt it?
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you could get a pre-paid credit card to get fund to intersango? that's what i do
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I've read that bank transfers aren't ideal, but using bitcoinFog and possibly some instawallets makes it almost as untraceable as a bank deposit.
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I've read that bank transfers aren't ideal, but using bitcoinFog and possibly some instawallets makes it almost as untraceable as a bank deposit.
I am also offering Bitcoins for sale in the UK in exchange for cash in the post/Ukash which is the most secure method of obtaining coins along with selling stuff. Feel free to send me a message for more details.
If you use Barclays do make sure that they get the reference number right or otherwise MtGox won't know to send the coins to your account.
Thanks,
V.
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You can try MTGox. They accept cash deposits from Barclays. It takes approx. 24 hours on average though depending on when you do the deposit as they're in a completely different time zone. (so, if you deposited today, you'd probably find it credited in the middle of the night tonight).
Don't access MTGox when using TOR though, it pisses them off and they'll ask for ID documents.
i have just had the exact above problem with mt gox,
i thought i had forgotten my password,after numerous attempts i sent them an email asking to sort it out,they did reset my account but they also added in the mail that using a proxy or tor etc will block the account
i have made a deposit to barclays before this happened,now im wondering whats the best way to access mt gox as i cant use tor,bit of a nightmare
the whole coin issue has just been made harder in the uk with metro not accepting cash,,was going along very smoothly until today
anyone got any advice on the next best way to access mt gov and try and be a stealth as poss ?
cheers
i deposited some cash via barclays before the above issue on the 23
i have now got access to my account on mtgox and still no funds
they did block the account initially as i was using tor and stupidly never read through there t&cs,,anyway still no sign of the deposit and its now 26th,i know there in a different time zone but i thought it would be in by now
do i contact them and risk them asking me for documents etc or leave it and wait and see and if nothing shows up write it off and put that one down to experience
any advice more than welcome
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You can try MTGox. They accept cash deposits from Barclays. It takes approx. 24 hours on average though depending on when you do the deposit as they're in a completely different time zone. (so, if you deposited today, you'd probably find it credited in the middle of the night tonight).
Don't access MTGox when using TOR though, it pisses them off and they'll ask for ID documents.
i have just had the exact above problem with mt gox,
i thought i had forgotten my password,after numerous attempts i sent them an email asking to sort it out,they did reset my account but they also added in the mail that using a proxy or tor etc will block the account
i have made a deposit to barclays before this happened,now im wondering whats the best way to access mt gox as i cant use tor,bit of a nightmare
the whole coin issue has just been made harder in the uk with metro not accepting cash,,was going along very smoothly until today
anyone got any advice on the next best way to access mt gov and try and be a stealth as poss ?
cheers
i deposited some cash via barclays before the above issue on the 23
i have now got access to my account on mtgox and still no funds
they did block the account initially as i was using tor and stupidly never read through there t&cs,,anyway still no sign of the deposit and its now 26th,i know there in a different time zone but i thought it would be in by now
do i contact them and risk them asking me for documents etc or leave it and wait and see and if nothing shows up write it off and put that one down to experience
any advice more than welcome
How much did you deposit? If it's a large amount contact MtGox, show them your ID if requested, get your coins then run them through a mixer like BitcoinFog. Learn from this experience and use a VPN to access MtGox in future (Shellmix is my personal favourite).
Otherwise I suggest you cut your losses and move on. At the risk of sounding like a plug I sell BTC in exchange for Ukcash / Cash in the mail. Feel free to message me for details.
Thanks,
V.
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Mate - Don't trust anyone that offers BTC in exchange for Ukash vouchers or cash in the post...
I got screwed over using this method...sent the fucker the UKash voucher and he vanished.
DON'T TRUST THEM. It might take a bit longer but use Intersango etc etc....least they wont rob you!!!!
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I've read that bank transfers aren't ideal, but using bitcoinFog and possibly some instawallets makes it almost as untraceable as a bank deposit.
Yeah this is correct, if you use the fog and then run it through 3-4 wallets then you are fine in terms of tracing. If you are withdrawing larger amounts though where you are going to go wrong is creating the paper trail/having reasons to be withdrawing so much. It's not hard to get round this but it can be done. PM me if you need help, I know my shit about financial shit.
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Mate - Don't trust anyone that offers BTC in exchange for Ukash vouchers or cash in the post...
I got screwed over using this method...sent the fucker the UKash voucher and he vanished.
DON'T TRUST THEM. It might take a bit longer but use Intersango etc etc....least they wont rob you!!!!
Your faith is most reassuring - I like to think I've shelled out enough cash for a seller account and been as helpful as possible to newcomers to assuage any doubts as to my honesty but I have engaged in a few successful transactions so far so will provide references on request!
V.
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Mate - Don't trust anyone that offers BTC in exchange for Ukash vouchers or cash in the post...
I got screwed over using this method...sent the fucker the UKash voucher and he vanished.
DON'T TRUST THEM. It might take a bit longer but use Intersango etc etc....least they wont rob you!!!!
im not really down for that method either,,i have heard about the prepaid credit card route to intersango which i think im gonna look into,pissed off that metro arent taking cash deposits for intersango though,that was by far the easiest quickest way to get coin in the uk (as far as i know)
i got £300 missing in action at the moment with mtgox,gonna hold tight for a few more days before i make my next move
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Mate - Don't trust anyone that offers BTC in exchange for Ukash vouchers or cash in the post...
I got screwed over using this method...sent the fucker the UKash voucher and he vanished.
DON'T TRUST THEM. It might take a bit longer but use Intersango etc etc....least they wont rob you!!!!
im not really down for that method either,,i have heard about the prepaid credit card route to intersango which i think im gonna look into,pissed off that metro arent taking cash deposits for intersango though,that was by far the easiest quickest way to get coin in the uk (as far as i know)
i got £300 missing in action at the moment with mtgox,gonna hold tight for a few more days before i make my next move
See, if you'd come to me to buy your coins I'd have happily used escrow which would have put your paranoid friend's fears to rest. Best of luck getting your coins back, chalk this one down to experience.
V.
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im a little worried now lol, I live in the uk and use mtgox. I have done 2 bank transfers from my account and also i have paid cash direct into barcleys using a fake paying in name. Both methods take around 24 hours to get the funds to my SR account
Now is there any need for me to worry about buying BTC in this way ?
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im a little worried now lol, I live in the uk and use mtgox. I have done 2 bank transfers from my account and also i have paid cash direct into barcleys using a fake paying in name. Both methods take around 24 hours to get the funds to my SR account
Now is there any need for me to worry about buying BTC in this way ?
have a read through page 1 :)
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Im sorry but reading page one brought me to my question. Im concerned about the risk in openly buying BTC. I can always tumble it for extra security, but SR has a tumbler anyway. ???
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I originally did Bank transfers before I wised up. I now do cash deposits into Barclay's (with different MtGox accounts) and then tumble them.
You don't need to put a name on to do the deposit, just don't put it on. I never have and they've not questioned as of yet :)
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Mate - Don't trust anyone that offers BTC in exchange for Ukash vouchers or cash in the post...
I got screwed over using this method...sent the fucker the UKash voucher and he vanished.
DON'T TRUST THEM. It might take a bit longer but use Intersango etc etc....least they wont rob you!!!!
im not really down for that method either,,i have heard about the prepaid credit card route to intersango which i think im gonna look into,pissed off that metro arent taking cash deposits for intersango though,that was by far the easiest quickest way to get coin in the uk (as far as i know)
i got £300 missing in action at the moment with mtgox,gonna hold tight for a few more days before i make my next move
still no money in my mtgox account
i have accessed my account through home bb so my ip is logged with them,is that correct ? so if i contact them they are gonna want id, correct ? so in other words im fucked basically,,if i give them id i need to get my coins from them and do something legit with them at the withdrawal process
i dont really want to write off the money if theres a legit way of getting my coins out
i also originally contacted them through tormail,,,,actually as im writing this and reading it back i dont sound legit at all,is it me or am i being para here ? i used tor to access mtgox,they block my account,i contact them from my tormail addy(at this point i know nothing about them blocking tor users) they contact me back via tormail and lift the block,4 days later no money,,,,im fucked me thinks
i need advice on my next move pls
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goangod - Contact them and explain that the money never appeared. I have to do this almost every time. It's usually because the bank teller didn't emphasize the reference enough (not matter how many times you tell them!).
Email them and just say how much you deposited and which day. When I've had to email I get quick responses from them (depending on the time of day - they are on the other side of the world) and the money goes in quickly.
The buying of bitcoins isn't illegal. They blocked your account the first time because you used Tor - it happens, but don't stress about it. You haven't *actually* done anything illegal (yet). If you are really, really worried you could get your BitCoins and just resell them and start over (although you'll make a lose this way)
But I wouldn't go that far. If you are really panicking just email them, get your BTC, get it out of MtGox, tumble it a lot and then next time set up a new MtGox account with different username, password, email, etc.
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Thank you aligibbs !
I i did some bank transfers to begin with to try and make things look as open as possible, but now after reading what you've said. Its not needed. I'll jusr close my current mtgox account, open 4 new ones, and tumble from all 4. i do alot of traveling around the uk so i can deposit in many differant branches, wich will help :D
Again, Thank you
Skunky.
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Because sango dont take cash deposits anymore I wired the money from my bank account not really thinking about the consequences. Now Im worried about depositing them into my SR account.
My question is SR has a tumbler system so if I transfer from sango straight to my SR account will it be possible to trace my SR account to my actual bank account?
Second question if it is indeed possible for LE to trace my SR account to my actual bank account should I use bitcoinfog first before sending the coins to my SR account and how do you use bitcoinfog? Just open an account with them and follow the details, can it be accessed thru TOR?.
Im doing this to purchase a vendor account which is why Im so concerned, if it was just my buyers account I wouldnt really care about being traced as it is not worth it for LE to do this but when vending security is a top priority
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What's done is done, if you put your coins through a tumber (bitcoinfog, really easy to use) for 5 days you'll be fine.
Though if you're this uninformed about simple buying of bitcoins then I would recommend reading some more before buying a vendors account..
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Because sango dont take cash deposits anymore I wired the money from my bank account not really thinking about the consequences. Now Im worried about depositing them into my SR account.
My question is SR has a tumbler system so if I transfer from sango straight to my SR account will it be possible to trace my SR account to my actual bank account?
Second question if it is indeed possible for LE to trace my SR account to my actual bank account should I use bitcoinfog first before sending the coins to my SR account and how do you use bitcoinfog? Just open an account with them and follow the details, can it be accessed thru TOR?.
Im doing this to purchase a vendor account which is why Im so concerned, if it was just my buyers account I wouldnt really care about being traced as it is not worth it for LE to do this but when vending security is a top priority
Hello again Flyspray!
To answer your question, if LEO were monitoring your bank account and saw you had transferred coins to Intersango AND were somehow able to get access to Intersango's records to marry up that transaction to a Bitcoin address, they could indeed trace your purchase of coins and see any addresses to which it had subsequently been sent including your SR wallet.
Having said this, you don't have much to worry about as firstly, even if they do have a list of addresses, they won't know which of them belong to you or indeed which ones belong to your SR wallet. In addition to this as you say if you bought something the BTC would transfer to the SR seller's account and would be put through the site's mixer prior to withdrawal.
Once again if you want the best guarantee of anonymity I would buy BTC with cash where possible but the method you're talking about is 99% safe for buying small amounts of BTC in my humble opinion.
Thanks,
V.
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What's done is done, if you put your coins through a tumber (bitcoinfog, really easy to use) for 5 days you'll be fine.
Though if you're this uninformed about simple buying of bitcoins then I would recommend reading some more before buying a vendors account..
Im not this uninformed as you put it, recent changes where I live have made the cash deposits to bit coin vendors almost impossible, wiring from bank accounts was the only option apart from trusting bit coin vendors that ask for MP or paypal systems which I do not trust. I understand fully how bit coins work and fully how 'simple buying of bitcoins' work. Your recommendation of reading some more is exactly what I am doing now. I am just double checking everything before I make any school boy errors. What I am doing now is what I would call research, which is obviously the best method of doing anything. If it was possible for me to anonymously obtain bit coins without trusting potentially sketchy vendors then this is what I would have done in the first place and not gone the route I have and started asking questions.
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I've been a forum lurker and had no real need to post until now.
I've made a few purchases off SR and looking to make another but to get my bitcoins I used a bank cash deposit..
Reading through this thread I'm still not entirely sure on the best way to obtain my Bitcoins as I'm still a newbie to this and the cash deposit into intersango was just perfect
It seems the only options for us in the UK are: (any others?)
1) A bank transfer to intersango with bitcoinFog and a few wallets? (is this actually almost undetectable?)
2) Use MtGox - is that good? I haven't heard much great about that.
Apologies in advance for my little understanding!
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I've been a forum lurker and had no real need to post until now.
I've made a few purchases off SR and looking to make another but to get my bitcoins I used a bank cash deposit..
Reading through this thread I'm still not entirely sure on the best way to obtain my Bitcoins as I'm still a newbie to this and the cash deposit into intersango was just perfect
It seems the only options for us in the UK are: (any others?)
1) A bank transfer to intersango with bitcoinFog and a few wallets? (is this actually almost undetectable?)
2) Use MtGox - is that good? I haven't heard much great about that.
Apologies in advance for my little understanding!
i just deposited cash into barclays bank (mtgox account).........make sure you DO NOT USE TOR TO ACCESS MT GOX as they will put your account on hold,which is what i did,anyway problem solved and this morning my sterling is in my mt gox wallet ready to be traded and tumbled to sr
easy really,,i wouldnt go near intersango personally,still a bit suspect them not allowing any cash deposits
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If I want to buy bitcoin with intersango (with bank wire) I need to provide ID?
You wont be asked for any ID from intersango when you wire money from your bank account but the fact it comes from your bank account is its own identification. Its your account numbers, and the bank has your name and address unless you have some sort of anonymous bank account you have access to. Im not sure what intersango's policies and procedures for checking up on their users IDs. If say for instance LE was for some reason targetting you and wanting to know what your doing, they would need the co-operation of your bank and intersango to be able to trace what you have done but if your in that position its already game over.
When you wire money to inter they give you a reference number which indicates to them its from you. If it was a personal transfer to someone you knew, there is a section where you put in some details so the person recieving the transfer knows who it is coming from but when you do it with inter you just use the reference number rather than a name.
I hope this explains it although it seems like Ive just talked round in a circle.
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Hey,
Been lurking this thread past few days to get an idea of which way to go with BTC, just got a few questions...
In terms of domestic Cash in the mail > BTC (assuming this all works out) what are the chances of tracing such a transaction? Is it worth running the coins through a few wallets/bitcoinfog BEFORE sending to SR once they have been transferred from another members intersango/mtgox to a bitcoin address of my choice?
Hope you all understand where i'm coming from here!
P.S. For arguments sake IF said vendor for BTC was working for LE is there anyway it is traceable in terms of BTC from their inter/mtgox account to a/my coin address? (Probably wearing my tin foil hat here, but better safe than sorry eh!)
Thx
lugabaruga ;)
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Hey,
Been lurking this thread past few days to get an idea of which way to go with BTC, just got a few questions...
In terms of domestic Cash in the mail > BTC (assuming this all works out) what are the chances of tracing such a transaction? Is it worth running the coins through a few wallets/bitcoinfog BEFORE sending to SR once they have been transferred from another members intersango/mtgox to a bitcoin address of my choice?
Hope you all understand where i'm coming from here!
P.S. For arguments sake IF said vendor for BTC was working for LE is there anyway it is traceable in terms of BTC from their inter/mtgox account to a/my coin address? (Probably wearing my tin foil hat here, but better safe than sorry eh!)
Thx
lugabaruga ;)
Hi buddy,
There are only two near certain ways of obtaining BTC anonymously :
- buying them using cash in the mail
- selling goods for BTC.
The process isn't anonymous end to end for the person selling you BTC but it doesn't need to be for your privacy to be protected.
If a Police Officer were to pose as a BTC vendor it would do them very little good - the cash in the mail would tell them next to nothing except possibly the post office from which the package was sent. Any coins they then transferred could then be followed throughout the block chain but they'd have no way of knowing to whom the BTC had been transferred unless the person withdrawing them did so using a traceable method e.g to a bank account.
This would still leave them with no evidence as to your identity as there'd be no definitive proof that the person withdrawing the coins was you - indeed since most people buy BTC in order to use them to buy products like controlled drugs, this needn't even worry you - let us sellers worry about ways to withdraw our BTC safely, you're using them to buy!
V.
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Even using a bank account when withdrawing...there is no real evidence for a crime (except money laundering). Only suspect...
Yes there is.
...it's called plausible deniability.
No it isn't.
I'm sorry to be contradictory but using any traceable method of withdrawing or buying Bitcoins will compromise your anonymity. Cash is very much king when it comes to obtaining them.
V.
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I'm still debating whether to do bank deposit --> intersango --> bitcoinfog (maybe --> instawallet after) --> SR
or just to bank deposit with MtGox in smaller amounts.
What is the limit for a MtGox cash deposit without asking for ID?
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I'm completely new to SR and not techy in the slightest so doing a lot of reading.
I'm in the UK so face the same issue with Bitcoins. However, I thought I read in another thread that MtGox was getting a bit hot on flagging certain users. If I access MtGox through my regular browser (rather than TOR as you suggested), even when I use a fake account to sign up, won't my own PC/IP be linked immediately?
Also, have any UK based buyers used BTinstant?
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It is possible to send money to intersango straight from your bank account, but this obviously means it is totally traceable, depends what you want to do with the money and if anonymity is a must. Its is for most people, if your desperate enough though it is technically possible.
Looks like intersango might have sorted their withdrawal problems, or they are sorting it out, I heard some people have got their withdrawals but am not sure.
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Another option is to set up an Intersango account with random Wifi and accept bank trasfers for some goods you sold. You just give your reference code along with Intersango's bank datas to your buyer, the same datas you would use to make a deposit for yourself.
Then buy bitcoins with that money.
This way you don't have to find a buyer who has bitcoins, anyone should do who have a bank account and willing to pay for your goods or services.
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Another option is to set up an Intersango account with random Wifi and accept bank trasfers for some goods you sold. You just give your reference code along with Intersango's bank datas to your buyer, the same datas you would use to make a deposit for yourself.
Then buy bitcoins with that money.
This way you don't have to find a buyer who has bitcoins, anyone should do who have a bank account and willing to pay for your goods or services.
It's a nice idea, provided you make sure you make it clear the reference code will have to be included and the depositor doesn't mind the fact the account isn't in your name.
However Intersango have proven themselves to be unreliable so I'd advise you use a different exchange if you plan to do this. Of course there's always my cash in the mail service which is wholly untracable... :-)
V.
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Another option is to set up an Intersango account with random Wifi and accept bank trasfers for some goods you sold. You just give your reference code along with Intersango's bank datas to your buyer, the same datas you would use to make a deposit for yourself.
Then buy bitcoins with that money.
This way you don't have to find a buyer who has bitcoins, anyone should do who have a bank account and willing to pay for your goods or services.
isnt that what caused some of this shit with inter someone selling pills on topix giving there reference and inters bank and then he bought the pills on sr but he got deleyed or turned scammer someone put his bank details up all the bitches start ringing metro sayin its a coke dealers acc
i dont know if this was a problem for inter just what i read
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Another option is to set up an Intersango account with random Wifi and accept bank trasfers for some goods you sold. You just give your reference code along with Intersango's bank datas to your buyer, the same datas you would use to make a deposit for yourself.
Then buy bitcoins with that money.
This way you don't have to find a buyer who has bitcoins, anyone should do who have a bank account and willing to pay for your goods or services.
isnt that what caused some of this shit with inter someone selling pills on topix giving there reference and inters bank and then he bought the pills on sr but he got deleyed or turned scammer someone put his bank details up all the bitches start ringing metro sayin its a coke dealers acc
i dont know if this was a problem for inter just what i read
I'm trying to find out on the old boys network at the bank at the moment. Watch this space...
V.
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Another option is to set up an Intersango account with random Wifi and accept bank trasfers for some goods you sold. You just give your reference code along with Intersango's bank datas to your buyer, the same datas you would use to make a deposit for yourself.
Then buy bitcoins with that money.
This way you don't have to find a buyer who has bitcoins, anyone should do who have a bank account and willing to pay for your goods or services.
It's a nice idea, provided you make sure you make it clear the reference code will have to be included and the depositor doesn't mind the fact the account isn't in your name.
However Intersango have proven themselves to be unreliable so I'd advise you use a different exchange if you plan to do this. Of course there's always my cash in the mail service which is wholly untracable... :-)
V.
I'm still ok with Intersango even after they sat on my money for more than 2 weeks but this can happen when shit hits the fan, I can live with it, while I constantly look for other possibilities.
I don't think they realize how big they are, would definitely need more workers to run an exchange service sized like this.
But that brings some risks with it. more people can fuck up something or get off with some money.
isnt that what caused some of this shit with inter someone selling pills on topix giving there reference and inters bank and then he bought the pills on sr but he got deleyed or turned scammer someone put his bank details up all the bitches start ringing metro sayin its a coke dealers acc
i dont know if this was a problem for inter just what i read
Nobody knows for sure what caused it, I'm aware of that post on topix, but how would anyone know that a buyer was indeed bitching about it to Metro, then metro closed the account because that bitching, this is a little far fetched IMO.