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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: helpadelpa on April 09, 2012, 07:57 am
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Hey yo my bros! I have hella friends and so many people are finding out about the road, good people but my main worry is that a bunch of shady people already know about it is way to leaked and shit might get real if admins aka DPR or whoever it is closes down any new registrations for any new members unless they can prove themselfs with a sample of an actual product they wish to vend first because i have a freind who found out about it through another dude who had been popped because of SR, said LE is on here more than we think.
Vending or buying i dont know but it is a urgent matter they need to take care off or i have fear a mjor bust or sweep might could happen in the near future so be careful people. Shit is getting serious. On another note Cispa will has potential to fuck silkroads shit up so stand up against it. But seriously silkroad you guys need to make a change to making this place not so public at least for a bit.
We all want sr to go on for as long as possible please take this into consideration. leo pigs are prick bastards you never know what they got up there sleeve. Just my opinion but sr is becoming highly watched and possibly le can be working on some kind of take down if they can haha ;) Just saying be careful real careful and best of luck. These are not facts but opinions from what i have been researching so feel free to correct me and let me know what you think if i am wrong i am here to learn.
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They can't do shit to touch us. But just in case; I'm stockpiling my drugs :)
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All it would take is for the DEA or whatever government organization to do is find DPR and throw whatever sentences they can at him to get him to compromise so they could have total access to the servers and I am sure it would take that long for them to build up a decent case.
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This is a well intentioned plan but I am not sure about it. Just because they sell a drug doesn't mean they aren't LE. Plus limiting new registrations would hurt current vendors profits. The only real thing we need to worry about is LE posing as vendors, and I'm certain all of the current long time vendors aren't LE, they've made 100s of transactions. Just my take on it.
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There's so much wrong with this....I think you're far too paranoid. :-\
If you don't mind me asking, how did you find the Silk Road?
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There's so much wrong with this....I think you're far too paranoid. :-\
If you don't mind me asking, how did you find the Silk Road?
Care to explain whats wrong? Like i mentioned before i am here to learn from anyones point of view not flame or cause paranoia. Honestly i dont give a FUCK about the law i aint paranoid i have a legit job, keep everything legal most of the time. just order small amounts of things off here every month or so. So why the fuck am i paranoid. I'm just trying to keep silkroad on for the longest as possible for the vendors changing lifes and keeping it alive. Not saying leo cant be a vendor but we can definitely try to clean it up and find thos scums if they are on here which is a most likely thing. Paranoia can suck a dick in my life i got none because i do nothing to bring it. I found sr from a hacker forum a while back. Just trying to make the road as strong as possible and eliminate all the bullshit, maybe my suggestion isnt the exact right one but someone can remove, add , adjust to make it the most ultimate market ever! Whats you got to say about this man?
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I say we find a way to ban Jr. highers and most highschoolers like this guy. Dat wut I say bout dat! Lol.
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Can't tell if OP is troll or just stupid. ::)
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I think I'll just start to skip topics with "PLEASE READ" in the title, they're normally out of folks who were too high to post. ;D
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OP is jealous cause he's a low level dealer and his clientele have found better deals. 8)
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LOL...at OPs thought that the site is blowing up just now.
The site has been known to anyone who mattered for over a year now - who gives a shit about when sheeple start to notice something, LE has known about this site since day 1. The problem is, they don't need to shut it down and they don't want to. Far better for them to profit off them.
See, a lot of you kids on here think the cops are out to bust people - that only applies to a few guys fresh out of the academy. LE is out to make money - ALWAYS. When they bust people, its only so they have an excuse to get a bigger budget, and to steal someone's shit.
This site is no different. If you're a regular guy selling shit - they'll order it and have it stolen and ruin your feedback. Then sell it themselves. I've gotten attacked numerously on here for simply stating this reality - what does that tell you???
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LOL...at OPs thought that the site is blowing up just now.
The site has been known to anyone who mattered for over a year now - who gives a shit about when sheeple start to notice something, LE has known about this site since day 1. The problem is, they don't need to shut it down and they don't want to. Far better for them to profit off them.
See, a lot of you kids on here think the cops are out to bust people - that only applies to a few guys fresh out of the academy. LE is out to make money - ALWAYS. When they bust people, its only so they have an excuse to get a bigger budget, and to steal someone's shit.
This site is no different. If you're a regular guy selling shit - they'll order it and have it stolen and ruin your feedback. Then sell it themselves. I've gotten attacked numerously on here for simply stating this reality - what does that tell you???
That you're paranoid as shit?
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This is why I stick to the vendors I have already bought from and trust. ;)
No reason for me to be worrying about buying from LE
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Bwahahaha. Now there are two lunatics in this thread. Jesus Christ guys. Dank seriously... and I'm not trying to be mean... but you got some stuff going on don't you, I mean like specific clinical diagnosed stuff?
I highly doubt that any cop is staking you out, stealing your shit, reselling it, and then somehow giving you bad feedback.
No, let it go man. lol
Oh yeah, tell them what you think about vendors with 100% marks? lol
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Look people i aint no dealer im just a buyer with a thought no reason for yall to flame me like that if this is a stupid idea just let me know i got no specific clinical diagnosed problems wtf! Fuck off, no need to spread bad vibes man. All i was doing was sharing a though for christ sakes. All you got to say is this is stupid. maybe i aint as experienced as you all are but fuck calm down. What happened to the love yall. Sr doesnt seem to be such a nice place as i once thought it was well it at least the community immediately will flame you or accuse you of leo, highschool little kid, or dumbass.. whatever. You guys are dicks. laters hope you have fun making other sad. And i am fucken 24 years old damit. I still wish the best for yall because i dont spread hate
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Look people i aint no dealer im just a buyer with a thought no reason for yall to flame me like that if this is a stupid idea just let me know i got no specific clinical diagnosed problems wtf! Fuck off, no need to spread bad vibes man. All i was doing was sharing a though for christ sakes. All you got to say is this is stupid. maybe i aint as experienced as you all are but fuck calm down. What happened to the love yall. Sr doesnt seem to be such a nice place as i once thought it was well it at least the community immediately will flame you or accuse you of leo, highschool little kid, or dumbass.. whatever. You guys are dicks. laters hope you have fun making other sad. And i am fucken 24 years old damit. I still wish the best for yall because i dont spread hate
Dude...sometimes you just don't belong. I got plenty of tissues though! LMFAO. You just got totally shot down. For real though, do you talk that dumb all the time? I feel like Goofy typed out some of that...ok I'm done now :)
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I.....Just...Can't....Resist......
HelpaDelpa
HerpaDerpa. lolol
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Allright you fucking creampuffs.. You are blowing up way to much see...
All this weed smoking and eating cheetos... You are all fat-asses here okay (well except for the tweakers in the Meth-head threads).
So it's time for PHYSICAL TRAINING. All of you.. stand up, assume the pushup position and give me 20 good ones. Then it's time for a bracing 3 mile run.
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Yeh,loose lips,sink ships..Most that are spreading that info.are under 21 kids..I would'nt doubt their tweeting,blabbering on forums,,facebook,etc..
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They can't do shit to touch us. But just in case; I'm stockpiling my drugs :)
HAHAHA I love you man, I am doing that as well. Just bought enough mason jars to fill a fridge. Where my bulk bud people at? ;D
As for shutting us down, and people getting in trouble, the risk is worth the reward. I advise a Virtual Box or additional HD. Like my home hard drive for SR (Just set this up due to a bad seller experience) is in a cable jack in the wall 8)
Lets say Uncle sam found SWIM's house, they would rip the cord out of the wall and take the desktop. Pigs don't know they left everything they need in my wall :)
I can teach anyone how to do any of this. I enjoy being of service. And like I touched on, it is risky posting that, but the reward (more ppl being and feeling safer) is worth the risk.
Only issue I truly I see, is bandwidth :)
Lets take a page from ThePirateBay and put out servers in the sky :)
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The nice part with SR is it takes a certain level of intelligence to use it. I bet a very high percentage of the people who have heard about silk road from their friends and shit probably never have and never will buy anything from here due to the cost and process of using BTC, etc. Like others have said too, it really doesn't matter how many people find out about this site. Even if registrations were to close what would that accomplish? Less buyers and vendors is all I can see happening, and that ain't what this site is about dammit. To sum up my post: fuck da poeleece yo
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Shit 'bout to get real, yo.
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Play Nice.
nomad bloodbath
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Silk Road has been "blowing up" for almost a year now. When did that gawker article come out? This place is no secret anymore, people come and go as they please. Only time will tell what eventually happens but I'm guessing it wont be long before the golden age is over and people start getting busted.
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I suspect we'll see the establishment going after the bitcoin exchanges, rather like a pig after truffles. If they are not doing so already.
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I do not think that they will have enough legal grounds to go after bitcoin exchanges, granted illegal things are being done with bitcoin, bitcoin itself is not an illegal entity, all the exchanges are fairly serious when it comes to AML compliance, hence all the verification processes to raise limits,
Plus with the volume of exchanges and amount that the MTGox team clears on a monthly basis I am certain that they can get good enough lawyers to support their case, nah I dont see SR going down from taking BTC out that will be to hard of an angle,
Best shot is to find DPR himself or if DPR decides that enough is enough and is done SR is a well thought out project and we are definitely seeing it grow, continuously at that
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I believe that there is a certain trend towards decriminalization anyway. In the US, what with the destruction of Mexico, and our own inability to build prisons fast enough to lock all drug users up, most sane thinkers realize that the 'war on drugs' has failed. Even the gawker article and the few nutcase politicians that got excited showed just how little the public cares.
Nice thing about us, is that we aren't on the street corners, we're mostly--I suspect--white, non-criminal oriented, who had computer skills, and enough snap to figure out TOR and bticoins. I've tried explaining this to a couple of my friends, and they just get lost trying to understand the technology, and blow it off.
I don't hate cops: they are burdened with this crap also, and would rather be out chasing thugs, rapists, child molestors, than in doing whatever tedious lengthy studying it would take to convict even one of us....jesus, imagine trying to explain just *bitcoins* to a jury, much less TOR. hahaha...
No worries here: we meander along, not causing problems anywhere, and even if they did thru some miracle of luck and capitulation by vendors, 'bring us down', who would care? Nobody would give a shit...
We just aren't that big a deal. Just don't blab in bars, or start thinking you are some kind of criminal genius, and you'll be fine...
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I don't hate cops: they are burdened with this crap also, and would rather be out chasing thugs, rapists, child molestors, than in doing whatever tedious lengthy studying it would take to convict even one of us....
ROFLMAO @ the naivete of this kind of thinking. Cops would rather be stealing your money and kicking your teeth out. They could give a fuck about someone raping you.
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I don't hate cops: they are burdened with this crap also, and would rather be out chasing thugs, rapists, child molestors, than in doing whatever tedious lengthy studying it would take to convict even one of us....
ROFLMAO @ the naivete of this kind of thinking. Cops would rather be stealing your money and kicking your teeth out. They could give a fuck about someone raping you.
Some cops, maybe, but most are just caught in the same corrupt system we all are. And why hate cops? They've always been part of the landscape, not like they are a 'surprise' or anything. Hatred is usually reserved for snitches and any form of informant, as then one feels betrayed. Obviously your experience is different, but the curse of SR is that we can't give out a whole lot of defense to *any* point of view, without exposing our identities even more than we do...
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The United States is going to end up like it does in A Scanner Darkly, mark my words!!! ;D
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I don't hate cops: they are burdened with this crap also, and would rather be out chasing thugs, rapists, child molestors, than in doing whatever tedious lengthy studying it would take to convict even one of us....
ROFLMAO @ the naivete of this kind of thinking. Cops would rather be stealing your money and kicking your teeth out. They could give a fuck about someone raping you.
I would be leary of this poster.........he seems like he may be a cop........mister dank that is
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I dont think hes a cop.. Just retarded.
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I don't hate cops: they are burdened with this crap also, and would rather be out chasing thugs, rapists, child molestors, than in doing whatever tedious lengthy studying it would take to convict even one of us....
ROFLMAO @ the naivete of this kind of thinking. Cops would rather be stealing your money and kicking your teeth out. They could give a fuck about someone raping you.
I would be leary of this poster.........he seems like he may be a cop........mister dank that is
Another obvious troll with newbie status. Anyone with a brain knows I'm not a cop because:
1. My spelling is perfect - cops are stupid shitty spellers
2. I have described in detail why cops suck - because they have entitlement issues. Cops don't even know what the word 'entitlement' means.
3. I don't have back-up.
You're just another fucktard trying to gang up because I'm exposing how cops have infiltrated the site - IF ANYONE IS A COP(s) ITS THE GANG ATTACKING ME ON HERE FOR NO GOOD REASON.
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I'm exposing how cops have infiltrated the site
It's hardly "infiltrating", anyone with an internet connected computer can access both Silk Road and these forum sites. You don't "infiltrate" google.com when you punch it into a web browser any more than you do you come to the Silk Road
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I'm exposing how cops have infiltrated the site
It's hardly "infiltrating", anyone with an internet connected computer can access both Silk Road and these forum sites. You don't "infiltrate" google.com when you punch it into a web browser any more than you do you come to the Silk Road
"Infiltrating" isn't simply just logging on, you dolt. What I've described in detail over and over here is a coordination of tactics between several LE entities - THAT is infiltration.
Got any more strawman arguments you'd like to put forth?
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I'd like to know how DPR is cashing out his bitcoin wallet.
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If i had to guess I am sure that he is just holding all the coins and cashing as necessary, it would be pointless to constantly cash coins since he needs to have a stock pile of them for hedge,
Id say that he either has a bitcoin clearnet site to maybe make some of the coins legit or he uses the same tools available to us except bigger numbers, im sure it is a well thought out plan just like the site itself
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Wow, the psych profiles that pop up on this thread could populate several novels. There are folks here who really take issue with anyone who talks about cops or governments screwing up SR. You guys get mean. I think that when people show their anger or disgust regarding certain ideas or style of presentation on SR that it most likely indicates fear. Fear that this nice little virtual world( that I wish was real life), will be compromised or just...lost if DPR doesn't have an heir-apparent.
This Dank fellow has obviously been exposed to some bad treatment by LE. Some of you cannot see that he has some legitimate fear. But Dank, if you think the cops here are bad, look at some of the ones in mexico or central america or africa that really are just masquerading uber bad guys who use their uniform to commit atrocities. I know at least one cop and a bunch of prosecuters: LE. We have had conversations regarding the ridiculousness of the war on drugs and the real human toll it takes to keep it going: far worse than legalizing all recreational drugs and treating them like we do alcohol (which can be considered the most dangerous and injurious of all drugs on the planet by measuring direct and indirect deaths, family destruction, etc.) To a person, they all agree that the medical/alcohol model would be an improvement over the current criminalization strategy of minimizing harm from drug use.
This poor kid that started this thread is a noobie like me. We don't have the extensive institutional knowledge that you guys who have been here for a few years (not sure when SR started or whether OVDB was its start). It greatly limits discussion to see you guys attack the more paranoid or nervous ones who pipe up on the forums. BTW, I can't tell if labeling someone a "troll" means that you think they are LE or just have stupid ideas or that you think they are a total waste of good carbon. I wonder if you will think I'm a troll for trying to defend the rights of any poster without getting attacked.
Finally, it does take patience, motivation and relative intelligence to make it onto SR: become a buyer and, especially, to become a vendor. It is possible that a financed LE mole could do it, but would they really be able to do more than get the addresses of a few buyers who order from them? Doubt that would be worth the effort.
Now, getting DPR to spill his beans while under "enhanced interrogation": that is what scares me. I think DPR should get a nobel prize for starting and keeping this beautiful thing going. Please, DPR keep good security in mind for all of us.
I think I love u
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Mr phubaiblues,
You said it exactly right at the end of your statement. It's the word of mouth that will be our demise. I've known about SR for over a year now, and have not told a single friend about it. My wonderful treats all come from "The Kung Fu Ninja Fairy"
As i am not a street distributor, the friends i do have that participate (most of them don't, and have no idea about my many habits") think that I have a good friend out of town.
The first rule about SR is, you don't talk about SR! The second rule about SR is, you don't talk about SR!!
Talking creates curiosity, curiosity creates popularity, popularity creates inquiry, and inquiry creates mass discovery. Next thing you know, little Timmy down the street OD's and Dateline is all over that shit.
SR should never be discussed in a public setting. why would you go through all the trouble to maintain your Anonymity, if your just going to blab about it anyway. That is the quickest and easiest way to get caught with anything in life. You wouldn't go around talking about the person who sold you your goods before SR would you? Then why would this be any different. Besides the fact that your local post office is now handling everybody's goods instead of just your own (that's a lot of packages, which increases the likely hood of discovery). It's just common sense (at least where I grew up) to keep ones mouth shut.
I hate those kids that upon meeting you begin to tell you about "who they know". Like this is going to buy them so fucking street cred or some shit. when you know if they called the people "they know", that person wouldn't answer their call (because they probably know dude runs his mouth).
I guess what I'm saying is, SR should be discovered by each person on their own. Perhaps they read a random artical about "the Amazon of Drugs" and begin their own mystery hunt. that's how i discovered it. I felt like i had just found the Lost Arc. Like I had discovered masturbation again for the first time. And as much as I wanted to shout it from the rooftops, and show all my "cool friends" my new discovery. I kept SR to myself. Now, about once every couple weeks I take everybody's order and make a trip to "My Good Friend out of town" (SR). I order everything we'd like, and in a week or so were all happy and no one is the wiser. And my local post office isn't flooded with constant questionable traffic.
Anyways, that's my take on the subject, but then again what do i know.
~DICK~
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Hey yo my bros! I have hella friends and so many people are finding out about the road, good people but my main worry is that a bunch of shady people already know about it is way to leaked and shit might get real if admins aka DPR or whoever it is closes down any new registrations for any new members unless they can prove themselfs with a sample of an actual product they wish to vend first because i have a freind who found out about it through another dude who had been popped because of SR, said LE is on here more than we think.
Vending or buying i dont know but it is a urgent matter they need to take care off or i have fear a mjor bust or sweep might could happen in the near future so be careful people. Shit is getting serious. On another note Cispa will has potential to fuck silkroads shit up so stand up against it. But seriously silkroad you guys need to make a change to making this place not so public at least for a bit.
We all want sr to go on for as long as possible please take this into consideration. leo pigs are prick bastards you never know what they got up there sleeve. Just my opinion but sr is becoming highly watched and possibly le can be working on some kind of take down if they can haha ;) Just saying be careful real careful and best of luck. These are not facts but opinions from what i have been researching so feel free to correct me and let me know what you think if i am wrong i am here to learn.
SR isn't exclusively for people who sell drugs. I intend to open a vendor account selling cash for Bitcoins. Will I have to send the Mods a wad of cash to prove myself? (Don't answer! :-) ) I rather think the $150 I'll pay to open the account will do that!
V.
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Who's to say this site isn't cointel all along anyway? Seems to me that the governments of the world spend a lot of time controlling new technologies: look at the firms that funded Facebook - they all have government ties. Tor itself was sponsored by Naval Intelligence for fuck's sake.
I'll use the site anyway. I'm sure I'm already on a bunch of government lists
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AES was also sponsored by the US government - mainly because they realised they have more to gain by providing strong encryption to the masses than they had to lose.
I doubt very much the US government implemented these sites. In the first instance there's an extent to which it wouldn't matter if it's only accessible via Tor and transactions are conducted by Bitcoin. Also, the amount of drugs sold on here are a drop in the ocean compared to the volumes your country goes through in a day.
If we took all the drugs ever sold in SR and put them into one big pile, how long do you think they'd last even one of your major US cities - a day? Maybe two? You take my point?
It would be far more in their interests to set up their own bogus cartel and/or crime family than an anonymous website. Plus there's too much incentive for criminals to use SR to make it a taxpayer funded initiative.
V.
Who's to say this site isn't cointel all along anyway? Seems to me that the governments of the world spend a lot of time controlling new technologies: look at the firms that funded Facebook - they all have government ties. Tor itself was sponsored by Naval Intelligence for fuck's sake.
I'll use the site anyway. I'm sure I'm already on a bunch of government lists
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AES was also sponsored by the US government - mainly because they realised they have more to gain by providing strong encryption to the masses than they had to lose.
I doubt very much the US government implemented these sites. In the first instance there's an extent to which it wouldn't matter if it's only accessible via Tor and transactions are conducted by Bitcoin. Also, the amount of drugs sold on here are a drop in the ocean compared to the volumes your country goes through in a day.
If we took all the drugs ever sold in SR and put them into one big pile, how long do you think they'd last even one of your major US cities - a day? Maybe two? You take my point?
True, but sales volume is irrelevant as far as info gathering goes. How many people on this site are also trading in the real world?
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As a newbie to Tor I think it's safe to say that Silkroad will be getting alot more traffic from now on, it's the general consensus that the regular web has become stifled and irrelevant.
Tor should be used as standard, I'm guessing longterm users of Tor might see that as a bad thing, as if they need to protect their baby, but people are 'waking up' exponentially and this can only be a good thing.
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Until something really bad happens, we just won't know who had the best insights to it all. Whether we believe that LE is everywhere or nowhere or somewhere in between, seems to depend on personality more than any real 'proof'. I try to protect my shit as best I can, but make my own decisions. I don't like being shouted at on here or in Real Life, and it's never convinced me of anything.
It's an interesting place to be--legally speaking.
I do think it'll be some kind of postal inspector, concentrated effort. The curse for us, is that no matter which theory, or even 'attitude' we embrace, we just won't know until there is a big bust. I can't imagine that there isn't *some* form of LE presence on this site, but after that it's just speculation. Just because I don't like somebody, or don't like the way they do business, doesn't mean I think they are a cop.
I know that cops can sell dope, for sure, but most of what I read, and hear about, is that it is a very tricky thing, and they have to be oh so careful, or it's entrapment, or it can come back and bite them, u know, if somebody o.d.'s...
I know not to do the crime if I can't do the time, and to bite my tongue if it/when it all goes south. But how and when that will happen is anybody's guess. Most of these hypothetical cases seem to me that they would be incredibly hard to prove in court, on the other hand, if all they want to do is just 'bring the site down,' then yeah, corrupt/compromise a few big vendors, have a very public bust of bunches of people--buyers or sellers--and that might scare the place enough to fall apart, and that's probably, one way or another, how it will all end.
And most people talk and most people plea bargain, so it would be a rare case that they'd probably actually have to fight in court.
We'll see, but until it happens, one guess is as good as another...
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Maybe close registration for a while, and make it so that it's referral only? That way you can tell your friends and they could buy shit, but it wouldn't be suuuuper public and well-known about it.
But to be honest, I don't support this. LE is here to make money, and they make more money when there are more people to catch. That's probably why they don't wanna shut down the website, or maybe haven't tried to.
If we had more buyers we'd also have more people which means it could be harder to single out. It's easier to catch fish in a pond than in a huge ocean.
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Maybe close registration for a while, and make it so that it's referral only? That way you can tell your friends and they could buy shit, but it wouldn't be suuuuper public and well-known about it.
But to be honest, I don't support this. LE is here to make money, and they make more money when there are more people to catch. That's probably why they don't wanna shut down the website, or maybe haven't tried to.
If we had more buyers we'd also have more people which means it could be harder to single out. It's easier to catch fish in a pond than in a huge ocean.
How would people contact existing members in order to be referred? You see the dilemma?
V.
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These sort of threads make me laugh.
SR, if configured correctly, cannot be found.
https://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en
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See, a lot of you kids on here think the cops are out to bust people - that only applies to a few guys fresh out of the academy. LE is out to make money - ALWAYS. When they bust people, its only so they have an excuse to get a bigger budget, and to steal someone's shit.
This site is no different. If you're a regular guy selling shit - they'll order it and have it stolen and ruin your feedback. Then sell it themselves. I've gotten attacked numerously on here for simply stating this reality - what does that tell you???
Now that's as real as penitentiary steel bro.
I highly doubt that any cop is staking you out, stealing your shit, reselling it, and then somehow giving you bad feedback.
Your inexperience with the cops is painfully apparent considering that you think they dont steal dealers shit to re-sale it IRL or here on SR.
Oh yeah, tell them what you think about vendors with 100% marks? lol
I think they suspect to be scammers, especially if they pretty new. Any real dealer on here has been hit up by ass nuggers, retards and plain ol' dumbasses that less than 5/5'd them for stupid ass shit.
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Its true that seizing the SR servers would do LE very little in terms of stopping this concept or even busting anyone including Mr. SR. So theres not much to worry about, most people encrypt their addresses so seizing the server is a no starter really in terms of gain for LE. I do think LE is fucking with vendors with the poorly implemented feedback system, which allows no feedback from vendors to develop an analysis of a buyer to determine if they are a scammer or LE feeding back bullshit to harm the legitimate vendors which appears to be their only recourse. Selling only items that are more than $50 each strongly limited the bullshit ass feedbacks that I was getting, however I recently got one for a quarter of hash that the buyer claimed what I sent them did not even look like what I have in my pictures... that had to be the cops. Hell they didnt even PM me or anything before 1/5'ing me with that feedback. Oh well, fuck them very much. At least they have to pay me now for the shit they get from me instead of just stealing it from me outright...
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I found this place thru all those big stories in the mags. Gotta tell you, was a bit disappointed when I realize there are so few vendors :( Have they all gone away because of these mag articles or what. I hope things will get better here. At the time I would have been a buyer, but in the fall things might be a bit different.
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I highly doubt that any cop is staking you out, stealing your shit, reselling it, and then somehow giving you bad feedback.
Your inexperience with the cops is painfully apparent considering that you think they dont steal dealers shit to re-sale it IRL or here on SR.
+1...LMAO...or he's just a pig troll. Like most pigs, they lack the subtlety to make their ruse work. The same people slamming me for exposing the truth, are also over-the-top sucking the balls of the LE vendors. Real regular old pot smokers don't launch whole threads just to suck a vendor off for doing what he's supposed to do. It's quite obvious they are either in league or even the same person.
Oh yeah, tell them what you think about vendors with 100% marks? lol
I think they suspect to be scammers, especially if they pretty new. Any real dealer on here has been hit up by ass nuggers, retards and plain ol' dumbasses that less than 5/5'd them for stupid ass shit.
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Its true that seizing the SR servers would do LE very little in terms of stopping this concept or even busting anyone including Mr. SR. So theres not much to worry about, most people encrypt their addresses so seizing the server is a no starter really in terms of gain for LE. I do think LE is fucking with vendors with the poorly implemented feedback system, which allows no feedback from vendors to develop an analysis of a buyer to determine if they are a scammer or LE feeding back bullshit to harm the legitimate vendors which appears to be their only recourse. Selling only items that are more than $50 each strongly limited the bullshit ass feedbacks that I was getting, however I recently got one for a quarter of hash that the buyer claimed what I sent them did not even look like what I have in my pictures... that had to be the cops. Hell they didnt even PM me or anything before 1/5'ing me with that feedback. Oh well, fuck them very much. At least they have to pay me now for the shit they get from me instead of just stealing it from me outright...
Glad to see someone else who recognizes the scam. :) I'd be happy to trade with you here if you even have anything other than marijuana products (I'm stocked forever on that), especially if you run across any good shrooms or coke.
SR: Why won't you add buyer feedback?!?!
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What is LE ::)
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What is LE ::)
LE = Law Enforcement
including but not limited to: Police officers and detectives, DEA, ATF, Sheriffs, Postal Inspectors, FBI, etc...
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OK, cheers! Still gotta lot to learn ;D
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You all sound like a bunch of paranoid drug addicts...oh wait, I forgot what site this was for a secound. Time to put down the crack pipe and face reality.
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LOL... The postman is an undercover cop...hell bent on stealing my shit, reselling it, and leaving me negative feedback...oh, and I had a bad selling experience....buyer must be a cop. /sarcasm
Fucking Jr. Highers. If you knew anyone in LE, had family in LE, or remotely knew the least bit of what you are talking about....
Nevermind, fuck it, I give up. Lol. Like talking to a brick. :-X
And I am sure there is something I said or misspelled in this post........ to make you think im a cop. lol
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+1...LMAO...or he's just a pig troll. Like most pigs, they lack the subtlety to make their ruse work. The same people slamming me for exposing the truth, are also over-the-top sucking the balls of the LE vendors. Real regular old pot smokers don't launch whole threads just to suck a vendor off for doing what he's supposed to do. It's quite obvious they are either in league or even the same person.
Glad to see someone else who recognizes the scam. :) I'd be happy to trade with you here if you even have anything other than marijuana products (I'm stocked forever on that), especially if you run across any good shrooms or coke.
SR: Why won't you add buyer feedback?!?!
I just wanted to point out that Mister Dank is most likely LE due to the fact that he didn't use a space after the period three characters from the end of the following quote: "+1...LMAO...or", and also due to his incredibly LE-like misuse of a comma between the words "truth" and "are", as shown here: "The same people slamming me for exposing the truth, are also over-the-top sucking the balls of the LE vendors."
This means that Mister Dank is DEFINITELY a cop due to his low intelligence and terrible grammatical skills.
As for being happy to trade with another vendor.. :o COP ALERT! ANY VENDOR WHO WANTS TO TRADE WITH HIS PEERS IS JUST A COP TRYING TO GET AN ADDRESS OR AREA WHERE THE VENDOR IS SENDING FROM! :o
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Mister Dank, as I said before, you need to get help for your extreme case of paranoia.
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I just read this thread and loled everywhere.
You guys are doing exactly what the LE wants you to do... Point fingers and scream LEO! Get you all paranoid they play off of that.
An old underground hacking forum/CC theft had an LEO that had been ranked and extremely reputable for 4 years on the forum. One of the admins tracked his IP to a federal building one time called him out then the LEO talked his way out of it somehow and got everyone paranoid about the admin being an LEO.
Well the forum went on for a year longer, then the admins friend got caught with credit card theft and snitched the admin out.
They later interviewed the LEO who laughed about his situation of being called out.
Moral of the story... The police couldn't shut down that forum or even figure shit out for 5 years while watching it.
In the end if SR goes down or DPR it's going to be because of a snitch that's all law enforcement has to work off of. That's all LE has ever worked off of with success.
The only practical thing I can think of is they're going to sit at the addresses that a vendor ships from and hope to god it's not a fake return or track it back to the drop box and sit for days hoping the shipper doesn't bounce around.
Even an IP track and mac address really isn't enough for a DA to be like "yep we can def press charges".
Don't point fingers at one another unless you have proof. We're all paranoid fucks when it comes down to it I realize that... But don't give the LE what they want.
Keep what you do secret to the people around you. If you get popped that's why you're getting popped.
DEA will be assigned to this place with maybe some help from HLS if I were to guess just due to international orders and what not... HLS has an extremely large amount of survalance technology... Yet they do have much bigger issues at hand right now... Yet SR caught the eyes of a federal senator... Due to you buyers getting popped and SNITCHING (once again the only reason LE figures anything out). Yet that was to be suspected out of your local crack head who discoved SR ;)
Breathe easy guys and cover your tracks. They're not after the dealers on the site. They're after the site itself.
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Mister Dank thinks he has proof (that he can't provide, mind you) that's the hilarious thing about it. ::)
Not to worry Dominatrix, most of us just view his posts as entertainment, nobody ACTUALLY takes him seriously! ;)
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I'm still waiting for the twist ending where Mister Dank reveals himself to be the one and only Moonbear.
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Look people i aint no dealer im just a buyer with a thought no reason for yall to flame me like that if this is a stupid idea just let me know i got no specific clinical diagnosed problems wtf! Fuck off, no need to spread bad vibes man. All i was doing was sharing a though for christ sakes. All you got to say is this is stupid. maybe i aint as experienced as you all are but fuck calm down. What happened to the love yall. Sr doesnt seem to be such a nice place as i once thought it was well it at least the community immediately will flame you or accuse you of leo, highschool little kid, or dumbass.. whatever. You guys are dicks. laters hope you have fun making other sad. And i am fucken 24 years old damit. I still wish the best for yall because i dont spread hate
That's real talk ppl. Y make someone feel bad for sharing their thoughts/concerns about the well being of SR One thing to be like "dude don't worry about it" or whatever but to ticket him as some idiot, Jr., similarly such negative association, well then you're not only being a Huge DBag (Why click the link and talk shit, got something better to do? Apparently not....) , you're ignoring a good point and legitimate concern.
TAKE ANY MODEL FOR INFORMATION SHARING (yes I know this is designed to be anonymous and if proper protocols are adhered to it pretty much is, as in...at very least... PGP or cascading your hard drive, booting from Liberte or similar etc..)
I don't mean information sharing as in the 3rd party type we all use Tor to circumvent...I mean say X people know about/use SR regularly. In y days, (on average) X is likely to tell say 2 people about SR lets make that variable Z
X=people who already know of SR and use it regularly
(Z=the number people (X) tell about SR in Y days).
(Y=Duration of growth margin, or put simply, the time-span were using to determine a "growth period'....I used 30 days for this example....thats a LARGE period, because I'm trying to keep arguments like, I only have a few friends or I don't talk to people about SR in mind...)
Here's the formula for growth in 30 days....
Number of Total People as estimate pulled out of my ass....5,000(X)
If 5,000 people tell 2 people in 30 days now 10,000 people know about Sr. Lets say of those 2 new people only half actually start using it....
now SR=7,500
Another month...
11,250
Another.....16,825.....At this point on average, per user 2.5 people start to hear about it per month...
In two months the SR population has more than doubled, and the plugin values I used (30 days, 2 people finding out, and only 1 of those 2 people actually using SR) are extremely lenient for measuring a data based services growth. It should really be like .20 people in every 2 days, but I'm being lazy :)...Reagrdless, based on this model you can see that the population grows more or less exponentially....Now for a service like this (vs. say google which isn't illegal under state/federal laws to use :) .....you have to put some sort of ceiling on the growth because not EVERYONE uses drugs. Lets say 15 percent of people use drugs worldwide, again *cough* a very lenient estimate....and that of that minority, only 60 percent of drug users have access to both the internet and mail services. So 60 percent . Multiply and that's roughly 9 percent of the world population. That would be the growth ceiling for NON LEO....
My point is, ideas, services, information spread like fucking wild fires in a California Summer these days. I think DPR is killer bad-ass and I'm sure he/she... has plenty of safeguards, so for the time being I'm not concerned...but this is a valid and well received concern , at least in my not so humble opinion.
Anyone who isn't at all worried about SR eventually blowing up is either clinically ill or an imbecile. Flat out, you can quote me on that....
That's not to say that safeguards cannot be put up as SR grows in such a way that SR stays safe, and stays open.
We all have cognitive defenses for things like this, but fuck that, you should always be able to look past those defenses if you're going to assess the issue at hand in a reasonably unbiased fashion...And by calling OP names you're not only ignoring the point, you're just deflecting your own insecurity and probably aren't even aware of it in the first place...so for those of you who did, go get real with yourself and figure out why you have to resort to name calling...
Trey Wingo, out....
FOR LEO, you would have to have a separate growth model and I'm too lazy to type something up.
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maybe vendors could make a list of all suspected LE buyers? then vendors could take more caution dealing with them
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The more you learn about Tor, anonymous web activity, staying safe online, and the dangers of sending dope through the mail, the more paranoid you become. There's a constant movement of people coming and going here on SR, and most of the sellers that were here last year have moved on. Same with a lot of buyers.
Silk Road himself made a post last year about what I think he referred to as "vendor churn." New vendors start out working hard to make a rep for themselves. Even if they're successful they usually get worn down by the work, and they worry more and more about what might happen if they're caught. Eventually, many decide it's not worth it and move on.
Estimates about the membership numbers of SR should try to take into account how many people are leaving.
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Who's to say this site isn't cointel all along anyway? Seems to me that the governments of the world spend a lot of time controlling new technologies: look at the firms that funded Facebook - they all have government ties. Tor itself was sponsored by Naval Intelligence for fuck's sake.
I'll use the site anyway. I'm sure I'm already on a bunch of government lists
When I bring this shit up ppl tell me to put my foil hat back on...which it is! for now! Tor wasn't made for us....we just use it. Its extremely important for many all over this fucked up lil world of ours. We must protect it at all means. And yes LE or at least some schmuck on the payroll reads all our forums and puts it a big ol data base in the desert. Big Brothers been here awhile now........get used to it
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I agree getting paranoid about a sudden influx of members is useless.
A person who entity using this resources on this forum is more than likely free from recuse as long as he or she remains of sound judgement.
I am a person with a bright future ahead of them :) and would not get involved with a group or organization that I felt would ultimately interfere with my personal goals.
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I say we find a way to ban Jr. highers and most highschoolers like this guy. Dat wut I say bout dat! Lol.
I totally agree with that, sometimes I think that teenagers are just hungry for criminal charges seeing the shit they do.
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I'm totally with the idea of creating a system where a person needs a reference code(from a higher up of course) to register to this site.
Start putting honeypots all over the network, stronger encryption keys, don't accept P.O boxes and shipment recipients and we should set up a system where every vendor/seller has to do a full background check on any shipping address and name provided.
I'm trying to think of more ideas so I'll follow up on this but the person who started this post is right, we need to start putting our minds together and thinking of more ways to protect this site. I know there's a lot of tech-saavy people on this site and if we make further initiative we can constantly find ways of increasing our security. Take some tips from torrent websites if the techs haven't already, no running off US servers, etc. We got this guys. And by ALL MEANS sellers and buyers protect yourselves, as long as there's no reason of suspicion among the sending and return addresses the police cannot get warrants to open the packages.
We should use code names and start using a new type of lingo. For example instead of saying: 100ug tabs say 100lb weights, or something like that. Seeing that there's probably leos on this site already do not post the codenames on the site. I'm really trying to think hard on this one so bare with me, I joined this site a week ago and I was astonished by how brazenly people discuss and reveal the details of what's going on around here. Start treating this system as a front business instead of purely relying on our network and encryption security. Perhaps it's time to start a new site soon. We could somehow slowly and safely integrate into that one.
These are all ideas, some of them probably sound stupid or crazy, and I might not know what I'm talking about as well as I think I do, but this site is stupid and crazy, so we need to get stupid and crazy.
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Regarding the fact that the government setup TOR, where are our ace programmers at to figure this one out? Isn't it possible that we create our own program that works like TOR? If we create a program of our own we can track all the computers that are going through our networks. It may be too difficult, but I feel like some real pros could do it. I'm currently a quarter-way through my IT degree and will probably continue on so when I become more knowledgeable I will help all I can.
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the whole idea is NOT to be tracked.
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creating a system where a person needs a reference code(from a higher up of course) to register to this site.
did u read the post about the growth of sr users? if yes, how can be usefull this kind of solution?
and the slang? sorry but RIDICOLOUS.. if one knows, everybody know.
sorry, it's easy criticate and not propose.
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maybe vendors could make a list of all suspected LE buyers? then vendors could take more caution dealing with them
I started a thread like that some time back. Buyers williamgates and Diss0lve are both LE.
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We should use code names and start using a new type of lingo. For example instead of saying: 100ug tabs say 100lb weights, or something like that.
Well, what should I say...? ... ::)
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maybe vendors could make a list of all suspected LE buyers? then vendors could take more caution dealing with them
I started a thread like that some time back. Buyers williamgates and Diss0lve are both LE.
How can you be sure that a user is a hidden LE?
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maybe vendors could make a list of all suspected LE buyers? then vendors could take more caution dealing with them
I started a thread like that some time back. Buyers williamgates and Diss0lve are both LE.
How can you be sure that a user is a hidden LE?
Look at Mister Dumbfuck's karma rating. You think anything that comes out of his mouth is relatively reliable?
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maybe vendors could make a list of all suspected LE buyers? then vendors could take more caution dealing with them
I started a thread like that some time back. Buyers williamgates and Diss0lve are both LE.
How can you be sure that a user is a hidden LE?
Look at Mister Dumbfuck's karma rating. You think anything that comes out of his mouth is relatively reliable?
Yeah, shithead, my karma DOES mean you should listen to what I say. The only reason I have bad karma is simple:
"You always catch the most flak when you're right over the target"
I started getting trolled and negative karma when I started telling people that the high rated vendors had to be fake and that LE was buying and stealing packages from other vendors.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what that means.
As for you Holly- You already admitted to being Diss0lve which means you are a faggot cop, so why should we listen to your punk ass?
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So you telling people the high rated sellers wasn't anything to do with you thinking that might be a good way to steal custom then? Wasn't said in any way in hope that other buyers might listen to you and it could attract you sales? Hmmmm....
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I really dont like all the name calling in this thread so you guys will just have to deal with...