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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: garyvogel on December 13, 2011, 04:29 am
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The system is so fundamentally flawed that a scammer only has to be good for a month or two as a seller and then build up the orders and leave town.
There are many examples mine was CFMF.
Thanks EVERYBODY, ENJOYED IT HERE FOR THE MOST PART AND WILL CHECK BACK IN FEW MONTHS ONCE THIS BECOMES ISSUE THAT CAN"T BE OVERLOOKED.
(WHICH IT WILL)
G.V.
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wOW... CONGRATS... I WONT NAME YOU IN CASE.... ANYWAY.... YOU GOT THE LAST 5 BTC I WILL SPEND ON HERE. FOR NOW....... LOOKING FORWARD TO NEW POLICY AND BETTER DAYS....PEACE.
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He really did.. I can tell you're a good guy don't let em get you down
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I just could not let it go that the top of this website is represented by those that steal.
And I will not.
Look to hear and see all the texts and evidence of his scam in next couple days.
Actually, not much scam to it. Broke bum who knows library internet code and basic street smarts and rips people for a couple grand he already lost >:(
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The system is so fundamentally flawed that a scammer only has to be good for a month or two as a seller and then build up the orders and leave town.
There are many examples mine was CFMF.
Thanks EVERYBODY, ENJOYED IT HERE FOR THE MOST PART AND WILL CHECK BACK IN FEW MONTHS ONCE THIS BECOMES ISSUE THAT CAN"T BE OVERLOOKED.
(WHICH IT WILL)
G.V.
What has CFMF done that's deserved your ire? He's still got orders and still got feedback coming through - all positive. Why would you go on your own crusade against him??
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well what you said about how ez it is to scam ppl is true. but all the stuff to stop the scamming is there ppl just dont use it. with ppl saying ok to finalizing early (yes finalizing early dose help us venders getting the money a few days sooner so we can buy more good and alike but open you up to getting rip off) just dont finalizing early also the out of escrow stuff. well i do like out of escrow for big orders. on the last one i did if i did it within escrow i have to add about a other $130 or so to the cost just to get the same money form it. so i see why ppl do it. well my point is the stuff to stop the scaming is there and dont let this one bad time stop you form buying. also there is no way to stop 100% of scaming there all ways will be some not just here on SR but all over. like your dealer in RL can just give you fake/bad stuff they leave town and you lost your money.
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I have seen Grey defend this guy before.
I will soon be posting all my messages.
They will leave no doubt combined with the other evidence the guy (CANT FEEL My FACE) is a scammer.
In what way I dont care.
He takes money and delivers nothing or something fake. (Both in his case.) There is ample evidence out there Grey why don't you let the people decide that are going to be getting screwed in the next few weeks.
I ain't worried.
I am honestly trying to stop someone from ordering from a thief.
G.V.
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GV, I would be sorry to see you leave as i believe we were going to do business in the near future. however that is your call to make.
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godo.... i can't find any fault in your statements.
There will always be this behavior.
At this level we deal in there will be more than in any other.
That does not mean I will sit by and not try to help the maybe ONE person that I can stop from giving this SCAMMER his money.
PEACE
G.V.
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BTW GREY.... HERE IS WHAT HE DID:
garyvogel re:
the box was empty.
can you verify the address it was sent to?
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: I think This is my key
i had issues with the key, item says it is delivered so it should be there, hope you enjoy 1 daY
garyvogel I think This is my key
I have been trying to figure out this pgp thing and I think my key is
garyvogel: I apologize sir and could you plese....
See if my DCN # shows if it was delivered or not. I don't know how to run pgp so I cant check on it. I have not checked on mail last two days been sick but barly have any gas and am not dricing 40 miles round trip if po box is empty again.
I am the guy that it got lost 2 weeks ago, then you remailed with DCN.
Please check if you would.
Thank you.
2 days
garyvogel Not Pleased And Want This Resolved
Sir: I have placed orders over 50 times on this service and never had it be this much of a hassle.
Sure, there are some bumps in the road but this order is absurd.
So, either, give me the DCN # so I may check myself and prove this is true and if you say I have to have PGP while then no one else here is requiring that then move on to option 2 which is refund my money today, now.
I was told by you if it was showing in Mnnesota last night. It would have been in my mail box today if that was true because i live in the first route off the major sorting station in Minneapolis by the manager of the post office and she would know.
So, Refund my money or I will make it my new mission to join forces with this alliance that seems to be taking shape against you on the boards.
I will be glad to throw your stuff away( which i believe will never show) or just refuse it and have it sent back.
But this has gone on too long.
Very PIssed Off,
G.V 3 days
Cantfeelmyface(98) re
DCN says it is in trasit should be there tomorrow it is in your state, if you can get PGP i will send it to you so you can keep track
best regards,
CFMF 4 days
garyvogel
it is sort of silly but i ran out of reserve and your order coming today is my only chance man. god, i hope it does. I need to stop this stuff but if I ican get through the weekend it will help so much!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!
GV 4 days
garyvogel re: Order
is there any way you could look at the dcn yourself and see if it shows anything? Thanks... 5 days read
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Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Order
Yes i can understand I copy paste the address so it should be correct,
there are definite ups and downs to dealing with buying drugs online let me know when it arrives 5 days
garyvogel Order
I am sorry to bother you man.
I know you said you mailed Monday for this reship.
I cant get DCN because I cant figure out PGP or how to get encrypted.
I live in******** so it usually takes 4 days from coast right?
I am sorry to bug you so much but today I was ordereding $400 from MP card and ripped the damn numbers off so I don't have back up until they refund my money I am having the worst luck!
I guess all I am lloking fr is some reassurance and you have done a great job sir.
If it shoes I am going to pay half because neither of us is responsible for mail.
Thanks,
Sorry for texting again I hope tomorrow is the day!
Kyle 5 days
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Can you please give me a status update on oreder that did not show?
was sent yesterday, you can send me btc for half if you want but I have no problems replacing what was lost so it is up to you,
you are receiving the latest batch from my source it is Amazing! hope you enjoy
garyvogel re: Can you please give me a status update on oreder that did not show?
SOrry, I don't know how to get a public key?
What day did it get sent?
I will pay you for half.
It is not your fault if things got lost in mail.
Is that fair?
G.V. 6 days
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Can you please give me a status update on oreder that did not show?
Yes I managed to get the order out, if you could give me your public key id be glad to give you the tracking,
best regards
garyvogel Can you please give me a status update on oreder that did not show?
Have you sent our another product?
Do you have a DCN #?
What is going on?
Thanks,
PART 1 OF 3
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btw...TO PEOPLE READING THIS WHEN YOU START AT PART ONE IT IS THE MOST RECENT DATE........ THE DAY COUNT GOES FROM RECENT UNTIL I FIRST ORDERED.
PART 2 OF 3
garyvogel re: Order status
so. if u can priority or express i will pay for extra. Just an idea. First class is going away. 8 days
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Order status
Ill get your order out with DCN promptly apologies 9 days
garyvogel re: Order status
I have done 40 + orders and first time this has happended so it is rare but certainly happens. I just see your recent issues and hope everything is settled if so I can always use a good variety of choices.
Thanks again last time I bother you just please resolve it via reship or partial refund.
G.V 9 days
garyvogel re: Order status
I would prefer a partial refund to a reshipment at this point as i already have another vendor i am going to use. The way ot went down I would be willing to take 70% of my paid price because I did baulk on you initially and maybe that would have saved the trouble.
If you don't do that then please reship with at least a dcn # or something.
Thanks.
G.V 9 days
garyvogel re: Order status
Yeah, Saturday and nothing. This was six days after you sent. Can you reship?
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Order status
package was sent, there would be no reason for me to cause this much distraught over one sale, If nothing is there i will promptly reship for you 10 dAYS
garyvogel re: Order status
Alright so if your sure it was sent I will go check again tomoorrow but if it wasn;t sent or there was some confusion over it at least save me the 40 miles of driving again of the box check k? I have no issues if it was sent but would honestly rather know it was not than get up and drive over there if there is no chance of delivery,
So, last time I promise, it WAS sent and I should go check again tomorrow?
Thanks,
GV 10 days
garyvogel re: Order status
Sure, I was the guy that ordered last week and then had it pullled at last minute.
Name and address for shipment was:
************
You said it went out Monday but that was after not hearing from you. You said that on Wednesday and I had to ask if you had got it in mail after i was willing to take the chance on delivery at small PO.
If it really got in mail on Monday there is small chance it is still coming.
If not then be straight up because I have been there and lets do this right.
Thanks.
G.V.
PS- I will let yo know tomorrow if it arrives. If you didn't send though please tell me because I have to go quite a distance in miles to check the post office. Thanks again. 10 days read
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Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Order status
Could we wait another day before reshipment? If you could give me your information again i will make sure it gets out if nothing arrives 10 days
garyvogel re: Order status
well if you honestly sent it monday then there is a last chance it could come tomorrow but if something else is going on and/or it got lost there or didn't get to right address then resend please. 10 days
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Order status
first class mail, I apologize i have been noticing delays during the holiday season, I can send you out a reshipment if you would like this time with DCN
best regards
garyvogel re: Order status
Dude, tomorrow is a full week in the mail.
I get packages from EU on a 5-6 day basis and have never had one on Silk Road take this long.
I hate to be a dick but this is really frustrating.
DO you have DCN # for first class? 10 days
garyvogel re: Order status
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Order status
yes order went out the day i we spoke 11 dAYS
garyvogel re: Order status
Hey Can't I know you get a lot of this but I am just double checking that my order went out Monday. I have received a lot of mail this week from all over and am hoping i will see it before weekend. I am the one that last Friday asked you to cancel and then you had to pull it out and remail on Monday?
So it went that day?
Thanks,
G.V. 11 days
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PART 3 OF 3 OF CFMF SCAM
aryvogel re: Order status
Thank you sir and same to you!
G.V. 14 days
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Order status
Sorry yes order is on route should be arriving within 4 business days to a week, i have been seeing some delay due to the holiday season,
best regards!!
C 14 dAYS aFTER oRDER
garyvogel Order status
Just checking to see if my order went out then.
I noticed my last e-mail was unread where you asked for my address.
Of course, I don't know shit about this thing so you may have seen it without having to read it.
No big hurry or stress dude, just checking up.
Have a great week,
G.V, 14 days
garyvogel re: Recent Order
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Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Recent Order
hey gary, could you give me the full address to where the order is going again name included, just want to make sure that I have it correctly before sending it off,
thanks in advance 16 daYS
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Recent Order
Alright good job, there is a fair amount of deniablity to receiving cargo in the mail and with the help through tor there really is no proof of you expecting shipment of narco just make sure to deny if the situation calls, you have very good feedback and have no worries on early release it is more for new buyers and international orders
will get the order out as soon as possible
best regards
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C 17 days
garyvogel re: Recent Order
I have done all that.
Thanks man, yeah send it tomorrow and as a show of faith I am just going to finalize today on your word so we get off on right track, cool?
G.V 17 days
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Recent Order
my packaging is discreet ive had extremely high success with delivery,
I had the person who usually drops my order catch it before dropping it with todays so i will go ahead and make sure it gets out tomorrow, ill report back once its on route,
best regards, and apologize for my attitude in the beginning I wouldnt worry to much about your postal worker some advice i would give if your worrying is to sign up for any mailer or reminders at restaurants or other companies and have them send junk mail to your PO box, this way it will blend in with the clutter
I have also heard that making a small donation to churches or other areas where you give your address they will bombard you with mail asking for more donations, just some helpful tips ive picked up during my time here,
best regards,
cfmc
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Check out the mid-november stuff from that dude with almost same responses.
I bet he has been doing since then and the good posts are him giving himself feedback.
Nothing prevents someone from doing that.
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.
There are almost all awesome people here which is rare.
But for me, the depth of scum at the top and the denial of the leaders to look at it is too much.
The Street Is More Attractive.
G.V
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I have seen Grey defend this guy before.
I will soon be posting all my messages.
They will leave no doubt combined with the other evidence the guy (CANT FEEL My FACE) is a scammer.
In what way I dont care.
He takes money and delivers nothing or something fake. (Both in his case.) There is ample evidence out there Grey why don't you let the people decide that are going to be getting screwed in the next few weeks.
I ain't worried.
I am honestly trying to stop someone from ordering from a thief.
G.V.
GV, I'm not defending CSFM - I'm asking why you think he's a scammer? He's still getting feedback from multiple orders, even today. So if he was a scammer, he wouldn't be getting all the positive feedback he's getting.
When you look at the numbers .. add up the amount of good feedback on CFMF on his vendor page. Then look at the forums. Its a 20, even 30:1 ratio of good to the occasional person (such as yourself) accusing him of being a thief. Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting you - but some evidence would help your case. Right now, if I do as you suggest and check the last 30 days of CFMF feedback (both here and on the vendor feedback), there's only a few cases of disgruntled customers. There are people that ordered from him a week or so ago who only just got their orders.
Where are you based GV?
Grey
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Mid-west.
Look at the feedback though from people that have ordered from other vendors.
Look deeper.
You will see it.
There is a pattern.
I am 99% sure he is scamming people.
Why not come out and defend it?
I will wait for reply from him>
NOTHING WAS IN IT.
That was after not giving me DCN # over SR but taking order over it.
Then I got a PGP but he said it didn't work!
Seriously dude,
Look At The Facts,
G.V.
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He flew straight for a few weeks, departed, few straight tried to correct, now has departed. Not who I want to deal with. But, honestly I am not anymore I want to tell that one person thinking about oredering from him LOOK DEEPER AND DO NOT. ANYBODY ELSE. LOOK AT THE INFO. TALK TO REAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE DEALT WITH THESE GUYS. SOME WILL MESSAGE YOU.
Otherwise, you wasted your time on this website, could have done the same on any block.
G.V
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Mid-west.
Look at the feedback though from people that have ordered from other vendors.
Look deeper.
You will see it.
There is a pattern.
I am 99% sure he is scamming people.
Why not come out and defend it?
I will wait for reply from him>
NOTHING WAS IN IT.
That was after not giving me DCN # over SR but taking order over it.
Then I got a PGP but he said it didn't work!
Seriously dude,
Look At The Facts,
G.V.
Just because he doesn't want to use PGP doesn't make him a scammer.
I -am- looking at the facts. Every day he has feedback being left on his vendor page. Lots of feedback. For the last month, this hasn't changed. Where are the 1/5s? Where are the 4/5s even?
Grey
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BECAUSE HE CAN CONTROL THAT AT FIST BY DOING IT LEGIT, THEN SAYING INEED TO FINALAIZE FOR WHATEVER REASON AND YOU ALWAYS GIVE A 5.
THIS IS MY LAST POST.
BUYER BEWARE.
CFMF IS SCAMMER.
I GIVE HIM A B FOR SKILLS AT SCAM.
NO ONE DEFENDS HIM WITH PROOF YET THOSE FUCKED BY HIM HAVE AMPLE PROOF.
HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A SHITLOAD OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK TRIGGERED HERE?
NOT HARD.
I COULD DO IT IN DAYS AND GET TOP 20.
OPEN YOUR EYES, CLEAR YOUR MIND.
ASK YOURSELF WHY HE IS A SCAMMER INSTEAD OF RUSHING HEADLONG INTO YOUR STAUNCH DEFENSE.
BUYER BEWARE,
EVERYWHERE.
PEACE,
G.V.
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Mid-west.
Look at the feedback though from people that have ordered from other vendors.
Look deeper.
You will see it.
There is a pattern.
I am 99% sure he is scamming people.
Why not come out and defend it?
I will wait for reply from him>
NOTHING WAS IN IT.
That was after not giving me DCN # over SR but taking order over it.
Then I got a PGP but he said it didn't work!
Seriously dude,
Look At The Facts,
G.V.
According to your posts, it sounded like he wouldn't provide DCN because you didn't know how to use PGP. And I wouldn't be surprised if you STILL don't know how to use PGP, which is why it "didn't work".
You also stated in the messages you got that you were basically an addict and had run out of supply.
Just being devil's advocate for the seller...
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I have not heard from all these people who were scammed by him, surely they would be kicking up a bit of a stink by now? I suggest you step away from the mirror, turn your computer off and calm down a bit.
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I do not know pgp very well.
I am an addict in a sense.
I also have 50 orders on here.
49 went through fine,
This fucker messes it 2 times what are the odds.
Seriously,
My addict non pgp mind must work better than yours defender,.....
FUCK
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So here we go..... I am going to let CFMF defend himself....
Our last texts...
Now remember I live in Minnesota.
Part 4 of 4
If you really just got the wrong address then wont I feel like an asshole.
I don;t think so though.
I still say he willl never come through and is scamming as we speak.
He canceled my feedback!!!
Nice.
HERE IS THE THE MESSAGES FROM TODAY
re: Nice Try
Go back to the start of this. I gave you the address in this series of e-mails and it says my right one.
You confirmed it and it was Minnesota.
So, what are we gonna do here?
10 minutes
garyvogel re: Nice Try
Well, I live in Minnesota so that would not be very close.
Maybe that is part of the problem! 12 minutes
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Nice Try
says it was delivered to oklahoma, 49 minutes
garyvogel re: Nice Try
you believe want you want. what add was it made delivered to?
you won't answer.
you will tippy tap.
6 hours
Cantfeelmyface(98) re: Nice Try
.... i apologize for the situation but letting me know that you are going to make it a vendetta to bash me is unnecessary, you can go ahead and make me your hobby that is fine the order said it was delivered, I am going to believe the tracking number 8 hours
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Seriously, Defend this I Wanna Hear It?
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Man, I aint much for MMA but I am curious to hear how your DCN to Oklahoma which is far from where I live proves that you got your Product to me CFMF.
It seems to me being homeless would put a crimp on organization and that is underdstandable as I have been there.
But, I still didnlt lie and steal .
I gave you my address in the series of e mails I have shard. I gave it several times.
Yet you still think it was Oklahoma that was the right place.
Why?
How?
ANYONE ELSE HERE BEEN FUCKED OVER BY THIS GUY?
Maybe it is not even that, maybe it is just he is messing up I dont know.
But, I don;t want my Dr, My Pilor, Or my dealer to be that Fucked Up!!!!
Come On Now.......
G.V
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It is generally frowned upon to post PMs on forums.
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i BET it is.
You would not want the truth out there would you?
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Please don't post uncensored private communications. Especially with geographical information.
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Mate, I know that you have a problem with CFMF and I am sure that there must be a truth somewhere in the middle of all of this but you are not doing yourself any favours dealing with it like this.
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I have a feeling he's a scammer.
I'm new on SR so he sent me a message telling me to finalize early. I did, and rated him 5/5 because it was "in transit" very quickly. I didn't know I had to save the URL to edit my feedback, so my 5/5 rating will remain on his record.
Now its 9 days after it was supposedly "in transit" and still no package. My hopes aren't high.
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Go to your accounts page, and click on 'See Feedback' and it will list all the transactions you've had with the feedback for each one.
You can edit these at any time, both your comment and the 1-5 rating.
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Oh thanks Variety Jones, I did not know that.
It's been 9 days since I ordered, how long should I wait before telling CFMF that I didn't receive my order? It was shipped from USA to USA.
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Well, it is Christmas rush, and all delivery services love to fuck up this time of year.
I'd wait until it's at least 12 or 13 days, and then click on 'resolve' and contact the vendor and ask them what they suggest the next move should be. I personally wouldn't fuck with my feedback rating until I'd exhausted all avenues with the vendor first.
Be polite and patient, and 99% of the time you'll be rewarded with a good working relationship with the vendor in question.
Best of luck.
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I'm not going to pass judgement on whos a scammer e.t.c as I'm not in a position to judge..
However I will say people need to chill...I know customs and scammers are always a factor to consider when expecting orders off here but surely just use a teensy bit of common sense in combining "delays in the post" with "biggest/busiest holiday season in the year" and to EXPECT minor delays e.g a few days. :o
obviously if it's a few weeks that's a different matter entirely.... :-X
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I have to agree with Garyvogel and SRTRAVELER. I have been ordering from CFMF, TV, GJ and Slappy. About 80% of the orders are pure crap.
The other 20% are highly cut. The one positive point is that all orders arrived in a very timely manner and stealthy, for what it matters.
It's too bad because CFMF had the potential. My patience has also run dry........
I suggest that we buyers can go back and set all of our purchase feedback to 1. That would send a message. I may only have one post, but
how much feedback I can influence is the real question. There have been too many 5/5 gifted.
Another observation is that the shipments from CFMF seemed to have stopped when the .onion URL changed. Out of character for CFMF.
Is there some connection?
In short BUYER BEWARE.
I was going to try paperchasing, but after his tantrum, I decided not. Kinda reminds me of a cat trying to cover up his chit in the sandbox.
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Sorry, let me get this straight. You are saying that out of all of the orders you have received from the top coke dealers on here ALL of them have been either crap or heavily cut (is there a difference?). Please define crap coke if it is not heavily cut, I am not sure what you mean.
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Sorry, let me get this straight. You are saying that out of all of the orders you have received from the top coke dealers on here ALL of them have been either crap or heavily cut (is there a difference?). Please define crap coke if it is not heavily cut, I am not sure what you mean.
Yes.....you are right it is that bad.
"HEAVILY CUT"--- There is some hint that there is cola in the powder.
"WISHFUL THINKING"---Maybe next time there may be more cola.
"CRAP"---Check your cats' sandbox. He has left something in escrow for ya. Probably will offer more of a high than the cola you bought. Maybe speed and some magic numbing additive.
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I have received from CFMF - sure its not the most pure ever, but it did arrive. Maybe has had some problems as of late? Also TV is very reliable, there may have been a batch a few months ago that had a little amphet but lately its been killer. Also you do know that you can clean cutting agent out of coke? http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27089
If it has 10% cut, you can flush that out no problems, I've done it and maybe out of 3.5g lost .2 - .3 but the end result was PURE.
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The system is so fundamentally flawed that a scammer only has to be good for a month or two as a seller and then build up the orders and leave town.
There are many examples mine was CFMF.
Thanks EVERYBODY, ENJOYED IT HERE FOR THE MOST PART AND WILL CHECK BACK IN FEW MONTHS ONCE THIS BECOMES ISSUE THAT CAN"T BE OVERLOOKED.
(WHICH IT WILL)
G.V.
WHAA, WHAA, WHAA, What a fucking infant. GOOD RIDDANCE !
Bikerbum
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I too ordered from CFMF and have yet to receive the goods. I emailed him and he was polite and said he would resend...
Will update when I receive... if it ever comes
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I too ordered from CFMF and have yet to receive the goods. I emailed him and he was polite and said he would resend...
Will update when I receive... if it ever comes
Hey SnowBlow...... I am curious. Did CFMF ask you to use a different PGP public key than the one listed on his SILK store?
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ummm dont let the door hit you on the way out? there are always going to be scammers. try and find trusted sellers! do your homework...forums! I for one want this to work, i could go on but am enjoying a mushroom high at the moment....peace
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I will be waiting with open arms when you return from the dolts on the streets. And I will give you a big hug showered in cannabis and/or mushrooms.
When you come back, PM me this thread and I will give you and you alone a special deal. You are the kind of buyer that SR needs many more of.
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"WELL YEAH I PAID OUT OF ESCROW BUT STILL ITS NOT FAIRRRRRR!!! THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED!!!!"
Boo fucking hoo. You fucked up. The system is set up to avoid this, and you took a shortcut that cost you an order. I can certainly empathize, but come on.
I do not know CFMF, and have never ordered from him. But based on my IRL experience, I'd be willing to wager that if someone (assuming he is not an intentional scammer, which it is possible) bought from him a few times, got some "highly cut" and not "crap", and brought it up that CFMF would ease it up on the baking soda/amphet/whatever bullshit it may be, and help you out.
This world is built solely on trust, reliability, and of course product. But you can use any of the three to reach any of the others...
Done ranting here. CFMF may indeed be a scammer, and may indeed have some shitty yayo. Just wanted to point out that garyvogel helped contribute to the unreliability of the system, only caused by its misuse, and then claimed it was flawed... really?
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I agree with this guy. I was scammed out of alot of money this week by SR Discount Pharmacy and he had good stats as far as transactions and feedback and it did'nt stop him from scamming all of us who were scammed by him this week or month.
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I'm fairly new to SR. Been around a few months but only have so many orders (10+-). I have a feeling one of my recent orders may have been a scam, serves me right for not doing my homework on the seller like I usually do, but I'll have to wait and see if the stuff shows up.
Anyway, I knew that was the name of the game when I started here. Our job as buyers is harm reduction - we need to do what we can to reduce the inherent risk that the current SR system poses to ourselves. This goes for all aspects of using SR, not just buying.
Also, I have been scammed IRL too. Sure it's much easier to get away with it on SR but still... Bottom line is do the positives outweigh the negatives of using this service? For the OP I guess not, but for me hell's fucking yeah.
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I could not resist checking back to see if I was right.
Now there is an actual Thread about CFMF being a scammer.
Here is what I have learned.
You all make some good points.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS use escrow. ( Although there are one or two people on here I trust enough STILL not to)
Beware that the very nature of this game is a scam and proceed from there.
All in all it made me better for it. I lost not much with CFMF but my point was never that.
MY POINT WAS THAT MAYBE SR COULD TAKE A LOOK AT HOW TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE FOR THE BUYER AND THE SELLER BY SCREENING FOR SCUM OR LISTENING WHEN MORE THAN ONE PERSON SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks and happy holidays,
G.V.
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Happy Holidays!
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I agree with greyvogel. If more than one seller is feeling the pinch maybe it's time for the mods to swoop in. After all it's SR which will lose out in the long run to scammers. The scammers will walk away with the cash. The buyers who are not comfortable enough will move out and ask others not use SR. SR will have fewer people and a bad reputation in no time. Maybe the deposits need to go upto $1000. $250 or whatever it is SR is charging isn't enough.
The 6% vendors pay out should be increased to 15% for new vendors and when volumes peak for a vendor. If he is making way too many trades in a few hours maybe hike it again to 30% which gets released after 2 weeks with no scam results. SR has to be made safer. SR is a good thing.
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If a few new buyers go OOE and get burned and leave, so be it. Survival of the fittest always applies, even when buying illicit substances on the internet.
"Survival of the fittest" should only apply to the sellers. Buyers aren't here to compete for money, they just wanna get what they pay for. All businesses need to make their customers feel safe and happy if they want to be successful.
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And wouldn't not scamming be part of making your customers happy? There are so many forum topics on the risks of OOE, and probably about 15 vendors that are actually good for it and have earned the rep to do it. It's a buyer/seller discretion thing, and if a buyer wants to take the plunge, really, what's going to stop him? And if he gets scammed? I still think most of that can be avoided with a lot of due diligence. When buyers do direct-buy from me I don't make them finalize early, because I want the feedback and to track the product and shipping times, so if you roll over to my feedback what you won't see is 75% of my feedback history saying "finalized early". I think that should be a huge red flag for a buyer - if you're shucking off some of the armor, might as well make sure it's with someone who isn't going to stab you in the kidney.
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Karma soon follows.
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If a few new buyers go OOE and get burned and leave, so be it. Survival of the fittest always applies, even when buying illicit substances on the internet.
"Survival of the fittest" should only apply to the sellers. Buyers aren't here to compete for money, they just wanna get what they pay for. All businesses need to make their customers feel safe and happy if they want to be successful.
I somewhat disagree with the last sentence. " All businesses need to make their customers feel safe and happy if they want to be successful." I do not go out of my way to make everyone "feel" good and happy with my words. Being fake. No thanks. I am not sure how buyers feel about my safety practices. I believe they "feel" safe. But I am not known for my friendliness. I am not an asshat or anything. Just down to business.
I am known for opioids, fast shipping and keeping my word. That's how I've made it this long. Not so much on the friendly tip. More working hard and completing deals. I believe if you have a product people want and you do what you say you are going to do, you will be successful. I am. 8)
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Isn't it simple? Just use escrow and parcel tracking and delivery confirmation. Done? Right? I'm just a buyer who's always used escrow. My experience here has been quite reliable...successful. Am I missing something? Do tell. Peace....live long and prosper.
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I have received from CFMF - sure its not the most pure ever, but it did arrive. Maybe has had some problems as of late? Also TV is very reliable, there may have been a batch a few months ago that had a little amphet but lately its been killer. Also you do know that you can clean cutting agent out of coke? http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27089
If it has 10% cut, you can flush that out no problems, I've done it and maybe out of 3.5g lost .2 - .3 but the end result was PURE.
People are seeming to forget that even though this is SR, it's still the drug game, at the mercy of the venders supply. Quality caan change between orders shipped on the same day even/
So to say it's trash is just rude/ignorant. I highly doubt CFMF is manufacturing himself, leaving himsef open to buying loe\w quality batches....I'm sure he won't just throw it out and take a multi $1000 hit. He has to sell current inventory to resupply and while it sucks that the cost is passed onto the buyer, it's the same way IRL.
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I am new around here and read through this thread with interest. I have nothing credible to offer to the debate either way, but do have a questions related to a point that has been raised.
Been mentioned that you should do your homework. Well, apart from the rating - is there another way to do this if you are totally new? Is it bad form to ask questions about a supplier on the forum if you select one and want to get some feedback prior to a purchase?
I just don't know the etiquette here and am trying to get things right.
TiA
PS - I already picked up the escrow stuff, but already seeing rated vendors asking newbies to finalize early etc.
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Isn't it simple? Just use escrow and parcel tracking and delivery confirmation. Done? Right? I'm just a buyer who's always used escrow. My experience here has been quite reliable...successful. Am I missing something? Do tell. Peace....live long and prosper.
I agree that from the looks of things this is the only way for both the buyer and seller to both know what's going on. There is a need for something between the buyer and the seller and as everyone uses the mail service in one form or another this is what they offer for tracking.
On a side note I will never release funds out of escrow especially to new sellers. There's only 2 sellers who I would do so for based on previous positive experience but that's it.
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I am new around here and read through this thread with interest. I have nothing credible to offer to the debate either way, but do have a questions related to a point that has been raised.
Been mentioned that you should do your homework. Well, apart from the rating - is there another way to do this if you are totally new? Is it bad form to ask questions about a supplier on the forum if you select one and want to get some feedback prior to a purchase?
I just don't know the etiquette here and am trying to get things right.
TiA
PS - I already picked up the escrow stuff, but already seeing rated vendors asking newbies to finalize early etc.
As a newbie myself, I second this request for information.
But I do think that's what the Rumor Mill is for.
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If you want to stay on top of scammers, this is the thread for scam sellers:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3520.240;topicseen
you can also post there and ask if anyone has had any bad experiences with a particular seller. It's quite an active topic, multiple posts every day.
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dam what will silk road do without you?
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huh... i totally skipped this thread because it was all caps. i wondered where you went gary. :(
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I did my homework and CFMF was #16 on SR and I fucked up and lost $200 BASTARD!!
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That's why it's integral to keep updated on the scammer threads. You never know when a seller might decide to bag it up and take a few weeks worth of buys as a going-away present.
Once you start seeing even a few reports trickle in, those hairs on the back of your neck should be standing up.
Also, remember, rank is not everything. I'm ranked fairly low, but that's because I do a TON of direct-buy business (my "custom/bulk orders" listing is the 5th most popular weed listing on SR), so my dollar volume doesn't weight as high against my rank as sellers that force early finalize - this is what I consider to be the last way to "game" the system. If you can get a bunch of buyers to early finalize it pushes up your rank like crazy because your dollarvolume/time/transactions spikes against sellers who are using the process normally (even on direct-buy orders I don't like customers to finalize until they have received so I can track shipping times). This entices even MORE buyers in.
I would say, if you guys are actually going to finalize early, leave a 1 or 2 feedback and write "finalize early - left 1 feedback until item received". This will get sellers to be more likely to actually send stuff out the door, and also have them follow up to remind you to edit feedback once you receive. This will display the proportionate early-finalize versus legit transactions for buyers checking out the seller. Any buyer who doesn't do this is doing the community no favors. It will also keep seller rank in check for those planning on doing a scam sweep and sucking in a whole bunch of new buyers because their rank is so good (I guarantee that #16 was almost entirely from early finalizers).
Either way, stay sharp out there. And if you want weed or mushrooms, I'm here for you :)
Anarcho47
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If gary is leaving then I am also leaving. I say we all follow in protest and leave along with him! Dam you CantFeelMyface my best friend on Silk Road is leaving and its all your fault
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I could not resist checking back to see if I was right.
Now there is an actual Thread about CFMF being a scammer.
Here is what I have learned.
You all make some good points.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS use escrow. ( Although there are one or two people on here I trust enough STILL not to)
Beware that the very nature of this game is a scam and proceed from there.
All in all it made me better for it. I lost not much with CFMF but my point was never that.
MY POINT WAS THAT MAYBE SR COULD TAKE A LOOK AT HOW TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE FOR THE BUYER AND THE SELLER BY SCREENING FOR SCUM OR LISTENING WHEN MORE THAN ONE PERSON SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks and happy holidays,
G.V.
SilkRoad profits from SCAMMERS just as they do from legitimate VENDORS.
Don't expect any prompt assistance from SilkRoad, they act after the fact, after the bean counter has counted the last bean.
This is pure speculation, but why do I have a nagging suspicion that SilkRoad also puts up scammer accounts on occasion to fleece the members.
Take vendor "Roscochicken" a couple of months agao. SilkRoad dragged their feet even after numerous alert post's by me and other members.
Regardless, even if they are involved, SilkRoad is still the only place for some to obtain any recreational products.
As everybody says on the previous posts, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, USE ESCROW, and don't expect SilkRoad to pull your ass out of the jam.
Bikerbum
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Troll thread, calling it.
If it isn't: good riddance. Peace.
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Instead of calling it a troll thread, I'm calling it a thread from 6 months ago that I can't understand why was bumped.
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How is it not possible to just do virtual buys over and over and give yourself 5* and 'aamaziiing' comments to get your rating up massively? It doesn't require a brain, just clicking over and over. Given half one, you could script that even. This could be the only thing you do on SR, apart from scamming the real humans.
For better results yet, what stops you from picking a 10% of your users randomly (or maybe according to how fast they finalize and leave 5* comments) and just wank them around, while serving the others? Maybe while doing the above, too, giving you a 9<high>% feedback overall? You'd still have the 90% of actual humans served to defend you in forums (well... assuming they would get off their asses) and make you look legit.
So, "use escrow". Great, but I'm a new buyer, and they won't sell unless I finalize early, so where do I start exactly?
I am not talking about this CFMF guy specifically, as I don't know anything the fuck wrt that, but what Gary whines about so eloquently could very easily be done.
I _actually am_ a new buyer, so if I'm seeing this wrong, please explain.
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[quote author=garyvogel link=topic=6910.msg66591#msg66591 date=13245
MY POINT WAS THAT MAYBE SR COULD TAKE A LOOK AT HOW TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE FOR THE BUYER AND THE SELLER BY SCREENING FOR SCUM OR LISTENING WHEN MORE THAN ONE PERSON SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SilkRoad profits from SCAMMERS just as they do from legitimate VENDORS.
Don't expect any prompt assistance from SilkRoad, they act after the fact, after the bean counter has counted the last bean.
This is pure speculation, but why do I have a nagging suspicion that SilkRoad also puts up scammer accounts on occasion to fleece the members.
Take vendor "Roscochicken" a couple of months agao. SilkRoad dragged their feet even after numerous alert post's by me and other members.
Regardless, even if they are involved, SilkRoad is still the only place for some to obtain any recreational products.
As everybody says on the previous posts, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, USE ESCROW, and don't expect SilkRoad to pull your ass out of the jam.
Bikerbum
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Something to do, and seeing who's paying attention.
Bikerbum
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Something to do, and seeing who's paying attention.
Bikerbum
If that is a response to me, thanks - I saw it the first time, but it doesn't answer my question.
As everybody says on the previous posts, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, USE ESCROW, and don't expect SilkRoad to pull your ass out of the jam.
If escrow is not an option, what do you do when they look legit? (0 transactions here) If what I am describing above is possible, he would have a great rating, and could be full-time, or part-time scammer.
I am a new buyer, and I am for example considering UKpharm.
HOMEWORK
Looks pretty legit (top 2% of sellers with 96.8%), but on profile page:
**********All orders are through escrow^, If you do decide to finalize early please come back once the product is received to leave some feedback, FEEDBACK MAKES US ALL BETTER AT WHAT WE DO.**********
Aw! <3
Next sentence:
Due to what is believed to be scamming attempts any customers with less than a five transaction history will be asked to finalize early
So you search on the forums, and out of 4 posts, 2 are positive and 1 is negative. And on feedback page, it just so happens that the latest stuff is not encouraging:
1 of 5 2.5 weeks since order placed; no product and no reply to query. A reluctant 1/5 (which might be revised with a bit of customer service) 23 minutes item
1 of 5 Ordered over 2 weeks ago. nothing arrived, so vendor said they would re-ship 4 days ago (UK to UK).. Still nothing...
It pains me to give this guy 1/5, but his communication is terrible and I still have no smoke....
ps.. Will update if arrives.. 3 hours item
1 of 5 Ordered over 2 weeks ago. nothing arrived, so vendor said they would re-ship 4 days ago (UK to UK).. Still nothing...
It pains me to give this guy 1/5, but his communication is terrible and I still have no smoke....
ps.. Will update if arrives.. 3 hours item
1 of 5 I thought he is a professional seller but alas no. Order was marked as shipped two weeks ago. I Finalized early as I considered them to be trusted sellers but two weeks later it hasn't still arrived (UK to UK!). Have sent 2 messages but no answers. Shall never buy from him again. 4 hours item
1 of 5 Currently not recieved product after 5 days, and no contact with Seller. I will edit this feedback if things change. 4 hours item
1 of 5 FE Will update
3 weeks and nothing has arrived, I have contacted the seller and have recieved no reply. I understand there were postal strikes that created problems but a response to my message would of been nice.
So how do I trust this guy? Will he actually cancel my order if it is my first?
Will these comments soon be bumped by glaring 5*s? Is there a limit to feedback?
Another option is MrYellow. "All must FE", feedback 5/5 with FE, further back on feedback people who still haven't received. Nothing on forums.
SilkRoad profits from SCAMMERS just as they do from legitimate VENDORS.
It may well do, but I would imagine there is a lot of money to be made here. I would think that it serves their best interest to not become known as a scamming site, I think it would hurt their bottom line.
This is pure speculation, but why do I have a nagging suspicion that SilkRoad also puts up scammer accounts on occasion to fleece the members.
Take vendor "Roscochicken" a couple of months agao. SilkRoad dragged their feet even after numerous alert post's by me and other members.
I don't know anything about that, but... pretty heavy.
So, is there anything in place to prevent someone from doing what I describe in previous post (either)?
edit: "mryellow": no results on the forum. MrYellow: results on the forum. TF? Case-sensitive search? Really?
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Dude, there are a few shitty vendors here, most are pretty damn good considering what they do and what they put up with. Sure, SR profits off of finalized transactions from scammers. THERE ARE VENDORS THAT WILL NOT REQUIRE FE. Even for someone new. I've never FE once, MANY transactions, never been taken. The only time I've ever FE was w/ someone on here that I had done 10+ transactions w/ and it was out of SR completely.
Just find someone that doesn't require FE, like some xanax, something cheap, do it 5 times, then people won't require it of you. If you can't afford to do that, you probably shouldn't be buying drugs in the first place.
And for vendors that require FE, don't use them period. Why risk it. I can't think of a single vendor on here that requires FE that doesn't have a competitor that doesn't require FE.
Why do I keep responding to a 6 month old thread - jesus I'm bored!
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Can we close this thread? I think the necrobumping is getting a little out of hand.
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Can we close this thread? I think the necrobumping is getting a little out of hand.
You get a +karma for that bro. I agree. Close all these old threads.
That's why I bumped it in the first place, to see who was bored enough to respond and new enough to post a request and not look at the date.
This site should also clean up the upload folder that's been full since last Christmas that I've bitched about off and on since then.
There's absolutlely no maintenance on this site.
Bikerbum
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I actually think this thread has some use historically as new customers are sometimes reluctant to use my cash in the mail service for Bitcoins as they're worried about being scammed.
Hopefully now they see how easy it is for someone to complain in very public terms about the service they've received if it's not up to scratch. I hope everybody can now see that it's in a vendor's best interest to provide a reliable and honest service.
V.
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You get a +karma for that bro. I agree. Close all these old threads.
That's why I bumped it in the first place, to see who was bored enough to respond and new enough to post a request and not look at the date.
This site should also clean up the upload folder that's been full since last Christmas that I've bitched about off and on since then.
There's absolutlely no maintenance on this site.
Bikerbum
Thanks man, I agree, this place needs a little more maintenance. Not sure if there is a reason that the upload folder has been full, is it because of neglect or is it just because the onion image uploader serves as a suitable alternative? I also agree with Vlad that this might have some historical purpose but it should be archived and locked to prevent bumping.
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You get a +karma for that bro. I agree. Close all these old threads.
That's why I bumped it in the first place, to see who was bored enough to respond and new enough to post a request and not look at the date.
This site should also clean up the upload folder that's been full since last Christmas that I've bitched about off and on since then.
There's absolutlely no maintenance on this site.
Bikerbum
Thanks man, I agree, this place needs a little more maintenance. Not sure if there is a reason that the upload folder has been full, is it because of neglect or is it just because the onion image uploader serves as a suitable alternative? I also agree with Vlad that this might have some historical purpose but it should be archived and locked to prevent bumping.
AFAIK the upload folder is "full" on purpose because it's not to be used.
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You get a +karma for that bro. I agree. Close all these old threads.
That's why I bumped it in the first place, to see who was bored enough to respond and new enough to post a request and not look at the date.
This site should also clean up the upload folder that's been full since last Christmas that I've bitched about off and on since then.
There's absolutlely no maintenance on this site.
Bikerbum
Thanks man, I agree, this place needs a little more maintenance. Not sure if there is a reason that the upload folder has been full, is it because of neglect or is it just because the onion image uploader serves as a suitable alternative? I also agree with Vlad that this might have some historical purpose but it should be archived and locked to prevent bumping.
AFAIK the upload folder is "full" on purpose because it's not to be used.
AFAIK then get rid of the attachment option below the reply window. I used the upload folder for 5 months before it got full last December.
Again, absolutley no maintenance here. Free up the SERVER one way or another. Get rid of the useless threads and non operable site options.
Or archive that shit like "deadfuture' suggests.
At least I got a responce from someone who has some age on their membership, I get zilch responce from moderators on this site and and forget about SilkRoad responding.
And yes I still call him "SilkRoad" because I still don't like that bullshit handle he changed to. I started here and there with him being "SilkRoad" and I'll always refer to him as "SilkRoad".
Thanks for your post, Bikerbum
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Well, quite simply my name is PharmaKarma and we are not leaving. Instead, we will continue to fill a void of quality meds on SR! :P
Peace PK
+ 1 karma on that brother.
I got here in July and you got here in September of last year.
And the OP "garyvogel" left in December 2011.
I think it's a sure bet we're not going anywhere.
Bikerbum