Quote from: Limetless on June 17, 2012, 06:05 pmQuote from: blackend646 on June 17, 2012, 05:52 pmIt's an endless cycle people never learn from. Whenever there is widespread poverty, people start to cry out for communism. And then it fails miserably.Yeah I know, either that or Fascism and it always ends in tears dropping in the form of secret police, disappearances, Gulags, concentration camps, purges, holocausts, political repression, freedom being taken away, 70 years of the USSR, Statues of Mao; Lenin; Stalin; the Family Kim, an obsession with military clothing and bad mustaches. None of these being good for anyone really. I don't know why the Greeks can't suck it the fuck up, they were happy to live in their corrupt and fiscally retarded state while it was churning out bad debt and the good life that went with it. Nobody protested that. If you do something that's going to have bad consequences, those bad consequences tend to come back around and bite you in the ass. And lol Vlad that's why Marx is such a fucking false profit. He had all these big ideas but couldn't even be arsed to make it into a working system (or, knew damn well he couldn't). Really can't stand Karl Marx, one of the biggest cunts in history IMO. Up there with Hitler and Satan in the top-bastards in all humanity list. And yeah I know, that's the funny shit. They are STILL thinking about the here and now rather than what is best in the long term.Greece can you just chill out and see the light through the dark please, this is just how shit has to go down I'm afraid.Of course we knew it wouldn't be long before well meaning Socialists came along and told us that Capitalism was the problem - which to me is a little like saying a Hospital is the reason there are so many sick people lying around.I mean I get it. We know it's not down to the charity and kindheartedness of our local baker that he sells us a loaf of bread to eat, it's his self interest in selling it. The Communists would have us remove that self interest by owning the means of production - a very well meaning idea but we've seen how it worked in practice ; huge food shortages caused by inefficiently run state farms in the USSR, waiting lists as long as five years to buy a car in Eastern Germany and so on.Removing the choice to take their money elsewhere also creates an unhealthy dependency on the government by its citizens, one which the Communists in Greece seem keen to implement.I'm currently re-reading a book I bought on Silk Road a couple of weeks ago named "The Offshore Road to Riches" which contains a brilliant quote from the great Alan Greenspan:QuoteThe welfare state is nothing more than a mechanism by which government confiscate the wealth of the productive members of a society to support a whole variety of welfare schemesCommunism in my humble opinion is just an extreme example of this principle!As you say Lim, Greece is simply going to have to ride these punches as the alternative is too terrifying to contemplate!V.