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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: iamnothing on September 16, 2012, 06:50 pm
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Hi Everyone,
I'm new to SR, was browsing and just wanted to get a feel of how secure people feel on here.
I was considering purchasing some items (should they surface on the forum) and was also wondering the safety of shipping to Norway.
The post here have a habit of confiscating packages; is there anyone here from Norway who has had some good experiences buying items on the site?
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this thread...but thanks in advance!
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Well have you ever ordered anything legally on the internet? Because that's what the package looks like when it arrives at your door. Unless the delivery service rips you package to shreds it could be a box of DVDs in there for all they know...
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For shipping questions, hit up: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?board=6.0
As for being new, I am too. Here's my take so far: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=42640.msg467701#msg467701
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use gpg for your communications and you are generally safe. I have heard a mixed bag of customs info about the Nordic track, but a vendor I used to be close with had no problems getting acid and DMT into there.
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Gpg is really nice and it certainly helps to secure your communications but, there are other things that can be done.
For instance, I wouldn't purchase anything from my own country. Its too easy for LEO to setup up a Vendors account. Sit back and just fill orders for his country. Then when he gets a couple hundred names and addresses go in for the bust.
I think LEO is only a real threat if you order from your own country. I believe by, only ordering from other countries, you can defeat this tactic.
By ordering from other countries you do have customs to deal with. However, between the excellent packaging here on SR and the fact that you can play dumb on the first package from customs makes this a much better choice in my mind.
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Gpg is really nice and it certainly helps to secure your communications but, there are other things that can be done.
For instance, I wouldn't purchase anything from my own country. Its too easy for LEO to setup up a Vendors account. Sit back and just fill orders for his country. Then when he gets a couple hundred names and addresses go in for the bust.
I think LEO is only a real threat if you order from your own country. I believe by, only ordering from other countries, you can defeat this tactic.
By ordering from other countries you do have customs to deal with. However, between the excellent packaging here on SR and the fact that you can play dumb on the first package from customs makes this a much better choice in my mind.
The chance LE would setup a vendor account to harvest buyer addresses is minimal (if not zero). Firstly, they would have to send illegal drugs to people through the post. Secondly, they would still have to prove that you were the person who ordered the drugs even if the package is addressed to you (this is far from watertight evidence). And lastly, it would be an complete and utter waste of police time and public money to go to these lengths to catch a low level buyer (as it's been said before, they're trying to go up the supply chain, not down it!).
The only reason I can think off that LE would go after a buyer on this site is to send a message to the whole SR community (and the public in general) that we are "not above the law and WILL get caught", so as to spread fear and disrupt the productivity of this community.
I personally think you've got it backwards. People are safer avoiding customs and ordering domestically.
I'm not trying to shoot you down Oldtoker (personally, I respect my elders ;)).
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The chance LE would setup a vendor account to harvest buyer addresses is minimal (if not zero). Firstly, they would have to send illegal drugs to people through the post. Secondly, they would still have to prove that you were the person who ordered the drugs even if the package is addressed to you (this is far from watertight evidence). And lastly, it would be an complete and utter waste of police time and public money to go to these lengths to catch a low level buyer (as it's been said before, they're trying to go up the supply chain, not down it!).
this is by far the stupidest shit i've ever read on this board, sting ops like this are the easiest thing to pull off, not to mention one of the first ways law enforcement would attack the sr network
you know why i say this with such confidence? because the feds have ALREADY DONE IT, ask around about DZF or DANK or any other sting op from the past few years
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The chance LE would setup a vendor account to harvest buyer addresses is minimal (if not zero). Firstly, they would have to send illegal drugs to people through the post. Secondly, they would still have to prove that you were the person who ordered the drugs even if the package is addressed to you (this is far from watertight evidence). And lastly, it would be an complete and utter waste of police time and public money to go to these lengths to catch a low level buyer (as it's been said before, they're trying to go up the supply chain, not down it!).
this is by far the stupidest shit i've ever read on this board, sting ops like this are the easiest thing to pull off, not to mention one of the first ways law enforcement would attack the sr network
you know why i say this with such confidence? because the feds have ALREADY DONE IT, ask around about DZF or DANK or any other sting op from the past few years
Looked up Dank, this is what I came up with..
Mister Dank is a troll... nothing more and nothing less... if you take what he has to say as fact you are just as naive and dumb as he is.
LE DOES NOT sell drugs on SR... if anyone thinks they do, you and Mister Dank should be sharing a room at the county nuthouse.
Dank was a vendor, no? I was talking about reverse stings on buyers.
I take your point about DZF, although I stand by what I said before, certainly in the UK and the EU. I don't know about the USA though.
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Gpg is really nice and it certainly helps to secure your communications but, there are other things that can be done.
For instance, I wouldn't purchase anything from my own country. Its too easy for LEO to setup up a Vendors account. Sit back and just fill orders for his country. Then when he gets a couple hundred names and addresses go in for the bust.
I think LEO is only a real threat if you order from your own country. I believe by, only ordering from other countries, you can defeat this tactic.
By ordering from other countries you do have customs to deal with. However, between the excellent packaging here on SR and the fact that you can play dumb on the first package from customs makes this a much better choice in my mind.
That's just silly...it's the reverse! Not in terms of LE but in terms of actually getting your package intact: having to deal with customs means a greater likelihood of the package being seized. That could come to you in the form of a disguised LE, it might not, but either way you're out a package. No dealing with customs when you order domestically...that's why searching domestically only is an option on SR: I would only order from a foreign seller if their product couldn't be matched here. I don't believe LE are legally allowed to sell drugs over the internet, in the pursuit of "nabbing" people for buying drugs. Perhaps the DEA could pull nonsense like that, but it doesn't look like they're involved here.
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Why would LEO waste their time with someone buying relatively small amounts of drugs, when it's especially hard to prove you actually wanted them and someone wasn't using your address as a drop. Now, if someone come to your door and asks you to sign for something I'd be suspicious and say I wasn't expecting anything. Just picking your mail up, there's plausible deniability. So really the only way I can see LEO setting you up is if you're trying to buy a kilo of coke or something worth busting you for. Also, in country, quick through the mail no customs. My 2 cents.
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Was there ever a house search in Europe in connection with with SR as buyer?
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I have been weighing the same situation as some other people in this forum
Domestic vs International.. what is safer?
Domestic advantages - no customs, packages not from freakin India and Colombia
International advantage - LE is probably not coordinating internationally to bust your 5gram coke order
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Ugh, Scandinavian countries have always been a trouble :S Some vendors say every 1/2, 1/5 or 1/10 package gets lost. Of course that's just speculation on their part, but generally SR packages are well thought out and they're practically undetectable. Also people, don't think that Your government is honey potting You, if You have a chance of good quality of Your choice, then order domestic, if not order internationally. Domestic is faster&safer. International has more options that domestic, but is slower&riskier.
~~sitamaja
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I have had the same issue initially but i have order mades from 3 different vendors now and everything great. Just be careful on quality and look for reliable vendors with decent packaging. Always read through to see if anyone has complained about this and ask make a more valued decision on who you buy off.
fish
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There's a really good guide on here that outlines how you can help protect yourself when using SR... titled something like "complete guide to anonymity" or similar. Search the forum you'll soon find it. Definitely recommended.
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I personally think domestic is safer. Chance of customs handing off your information to LE is far greater than LE actually setting up a shop on SR to go after small time consumers.
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international or domestic depends on what you are shipping. (in the US)they need a warrant to open mail, so shipping LSD, and properly packaged other things will be hard to get a warrant to open it, but shipping from overseas is more likely to net you a love letter first time (I can't link to a completely credible source for this info), but they don't need any warrant to search, so if it is badly packaged, they can open it right away, where domestically, they have to have a signed judge order (or DNR present) to open it, but it would likely yield charges where the overseas would get you a warning. risk<=>reward
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international or domestic depends on what you are shipping. (in the US)they need a warrant to open mail, so shipping LSD, and properly packaged other things will be hard to get a warrant to open it, but shipping from overseas is more likely to net you a love letter first time (I can't link to a completely credible source for this info), but they don't need any warrant to search, so if it is badly packaged, they can open it right away, where domestically, they have to have a signed judge order (or DNR present) to open it, but it would likely yield charges where the overseas would get you a warning. risk<=>reward
You nailed it: they don't need anywhere near the amount of "probable cause" required for domestic shipment as they do for international shipments: anything can be opened and inspected at will.
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international or domestic depends on what you are shipping. (in the US)they need a warrant to open mail, so shipping LSD, and properly packaged other things will be hard to get a warrant to open it, but shipping from overseas is more likely to net you a love letter first time (I can't link to a completely credible source for this info), but they don't need any warrant to search, so if it is badly packaged, they can open it right away, where domestically, they have to have a signed judge order (or DNR present) to open it, but it would likely yield charges where the overseas would get you a warning. risk<=>reward
That's not entirely correct though. There have been people who got "love letters" to come collect their packages even with domestic orders.
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well' that might have happened, but I have never heard of it for domestic shipments in the US, because they need a warrant to open it. I have heard of people getting notices to collect an order at the PO because it was damaged and had something leaking out of it, but I have never heard of a "love letter" for a domestic shipment. All I have ever heard about domestically is a CD based on a damaged package or a warrant from an ongoing investigation.