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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: daeda1us on July 17, 2012, 12:30 am
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http://gawker.com/5926440/are-authorities-closing-in-on-the-online-drug-market-silk-road
I'm yet to see conclusive proof either way that SR is in trouble but shit like this being published tends to make me kind of nervous. It's talking about a DEA investigation, DPR's mysterious absence, and a man who is supposedly tony76 being arrested in Canada. Not really sure what to make of it all. Thoughts?
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Seems like rampant speculation.
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It's largely speculative but if the DEA is known to be investigating that's kind of an issue.
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this is an underground site that promotes the selling of drugs..... OF COURSE the DEA is going to investigate it...
Gawker is just pushing the paranoia even further with this 'soap opera' like article...
I wouldn't be surprised if the reporter from Gawker wasn't the one responsible for all the 'paranoia' posts over the last few months that have led to this... jus sayin
TJ
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Of course the DEA is investigating :P We are a target and will be until prohibition ends or the site is taken down. All the more reason to take every safety precaution possible. At least half my clients still send their address unencrypted :(
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I think people forget that journalist and agencies like the FBI and DEA sometimes work very closely together, especially if said journalists lean towards the law-and-order perspective. I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI and DEA constructed the information they gave Gawker so the article was written to make people on edge.
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Haha.. we saw a user named "usaDEA".. everyone should go look at their sketchy 6 postings, haha.
Always be careful, obviously. This isn't a LEGAL WEBSITE... soo.. you should always be weary.. and of course the DEA and what not are going to get involved.
SR > Law Enforcement.
And we have never heard anything of DP disappearing?
And I thought Tony76 was a scammer? O.o
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I personally think Gawker sucks. Anonymous hacked them awhile back and I believe it was for a good reason. I'm not a member of Anonymous but I find myself leaning more and more toward their cause by reading a bit about them and fucking around here with archo-libertarians. I think on their principles there should be more of an Anonymous presence here.
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Lol at you getting a mention Jonesy. All this really shows is that Gawker spends it's times lurking here. Well done Gawker, what a truly unuseful way to spend your funds. Kudos on having fuck all better do!
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Plus apparently the DEA's main focus is now perscription drugs but I am about to read this article.
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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Sadly SR will eventually go down and using btc/tor will be a thing of the past......BUT the bright side is somebody out there with the skills and balls (like DPR) will create a new "SR" using a diffrent median than btc/tor. Im really not worried this is a great thing while it lasts and I hope the next thing will be just as good :)
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Hella dumbass article. HEY GAWKER MENTION ME!! I WANNA BE COOL!!! ZOMG PEOPLE ARE ACTING PARANOID AND CALLING SCAM CONSTANLY?? Its not like this hasn't been happening for the past 6 months. I swear ever since Gummystars shit went down hill.
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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I still wouldn't be worried unless you're some bigtime vendor who regularly makes huge deals. The DEA isn't looking to bust small time buyers experimenting with different drugs for recreational. How often do you hear about DEA raiding houses to seize 2 or 3 tabs of LSD? Rarely, if ever... but how often do you hear about the DEA busting huge coke shipments?
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Scary article... it is funny that they quoted Trustus, hahaha.
Kuuudooosssss.
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What was Gummystars?
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@The reporters writing these articles...
I would like to offer you some of my products to give you the change to see how the packages arrive and give you the chance to write a pretty awesome story at the same time.
P.S. You get free drugs!
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It's kind of eerie to read something in an article that I just read on the forums earlier in the day ;D. I can't wait until they name drop me! (writes a user who goes by the name Mr. California).
Seriously though, obviously the DEA is investigating us, they have to push their lame and worthless Anti-drug agenda, as well as try to prop up their failing War on Drugs.
Personally, I kind of like reading Gawker, but stupid stories like these kind of ruin it. They probably just trot back here every time they're short on stories.
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Wish they would mention me. :( I'm way cooler than Jones. :P ;)
Not really Jones, love ya really, not in a gay way though.
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What was Gummystars?
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=5986.0
Read and enjoy lol, damn that was so lung ago! November!! lol
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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I haven't even been mentioned in Pokémon Drugs Monthly yet. Tis a sad day indeed Limetless. :'(
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Limet's truck still not getting a mention haha
Don't get me started...... >:(
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I haven't even been mentioned in Pokémon Drugs Monthly yet. Tis a sad day indeed Limetless. :'(
You made me laugh. If this were an actual publication I would be an avid reader of Pokemon Drugs Monthly.
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Oh look, more media bullshit.
The hell are they even on about? DPR's last post was not even three days ago.
This is likely just crap meant to scare potential newcomers away. It's obvious the DEA has the mainstream media in it's pocket. All of this time and not a single report about us on a major American news network. The muggles would eat this story up, it's obvious the gub'mint is trying to contain this story.
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What was Gummystars?
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=5986.0
Read and enjoy lol, damn that was so lung ago! November!! lol
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Is that one as funny as the whole Kat one going down right now?
Ehh it ain't too funny, really educating though. This is pretty much what changed SR policy to having no out of escrow transactions.
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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LMFAO at this article,
One of the most prominent incidents was the sudden disappearance of a much-beloved cocaine dealer named "MiN," in May.
they are many more sellers that have disappeared over the time... I think they try to spread fear.. that's all they can do. If the RCMP knock at my door tomorrow i AM ready, my house is clean and my lawyer is ready. Fuck those fuckers !
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I'd hate to see something bad happen to gawker's servers. An article like that could generate a lot of traffic. Just sayin'
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I got a pm that said, "I want to buy your product and send you cash in the mail. I've bought lots of hash that way." That was definitely LE right?
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Aussie Sellers or Buyers NEVER make admissions to the police ,at home on the way to the station ,once at the station say you will make a statement AFTER you have had legal advise until then you will be making a "No Comment Statement ",don't let the jacks bluff you or sweet talk you ,don't try and talk you're way out .The jacks do this every day and will have you piece by piece . And don't fall for the we will speak to the magistrate ploy .Always be prepared make sure your girl knows to keep it shut as well, tell her to cry and keep crying if she thinks shes gonna break that drives any male out the room .
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I dont see anything about Tony76 ... you mean moveitnice right ?
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They are clearly being asked to stir it. LOL. Gawker, suck my cock please.
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Yep, classic FUD article, with nothing of substance.
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LMFAO at this article, One of the most prominent incidents was the sudden disappearance of a much-beloved cocaine dealer named "MiN," in May.
they are many more sellers that have disappeared over the time... I think they try to spread fear.. that's all they can do. If the RCMP knock at my door tomorrow i AM ready, my house is clean and my lawyer is ready. Fuck those fuckers !
moveitnice WAS arrested. sr was not the only place he sold at, one of his workers got the word out to us there that he got popped
I know that MIN was arrested but i don't think he was arrested just because he was selling here. He may have done business IRL too or some other wrong move.
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I am just not sure if they can actually take down SR without taking down the TOR network and somehow banning or controlling bitcoins. The organic non decentralized nature of the market place makes it extremely difficult to pin-point ring leaders.
I have no doubt LE is buying off SR for intelligence purposes, but they will only be able to take dealers down, or at least block their efforts and with a great deal of resources spent doing it. SR will remain existing, and if you are a vendor its relatively easy to evade authorities (which I will not elaborate on)
Personally I think the bitcoin hoarding is going on by the feds to make it difficult as possible for vendors and buyers.
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LE, I got free samples for you bros, PM me!
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Was literally just about to post this awful article, I think we would notice if DPR was gone. I'm still curious about what happened with the vacation though.
I got a pm that said, "I want to buy your product and send you cash in the mail. I've bought lots of hash that way." That was definitely LE right?
I think that's probably just a 15 year-old kid without a bank account, it reminds me of something I would do when I was 14 or 15.
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Wish they would mention me. :( I'm way cooler than Jones. :P ;)
Not really Jones, love ya really, not in a gay way though.
I'm surprised that there's been no mention of that fully armor plated Humvee thing you got listed lmao. (I seriously want that vehicle)
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Speculation, I think the guys and girls on gawker are using coke they buy off here. They got some shitty UK coke with speed.
Plus, no mention of me! Fuck that! Assholes cannot even see that I posted about sucking my own dick - how can they miss that shit?
Headline, drugs made men suck his own dick.
Now THAT is a headline!
As for DPR - I'd post less also.
In fact I'd cash out my coin and STFU.
And the DEA - they been crying about stopping drugs all over the place and there are still drugs all over the place.
They have failed.
They justify the wages by keeping up the pretense that drugs destroy societies.
Victorian England anyone?
Drugs all over, pure heroin, pure coke, pure cannabis tictures!
No DEA, the nation got its shit together.
DEA could not turn DPR as if they allowed him to let SR sell drugs, I am suing due to almost overdosing on speed. DEA let that sale go on and never stepped in.
They shriveled my dick.
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I guess it would be easier to shut down the peaceful folk on Silk Road and shout to the world you've had a "major breakthrough in the War On Drugs" than to actually have the guts to go for the vicious violent bikie gangs/organized crime/South-Central American Cartel scum that truly profit from the misery of others.
Just fuckin legalize it. Yeah, it would probably hurt the Road and cost us all a bit more for our drugs but I'm okay with that if a whole lot less people die.
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I think people forget that journalist and agencies like the FBI and DEA sometimes work very closely together, especially if said journalists lean towards the law-and-order perspective. I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI and DEA constructed the information they gave Gawker so the article was written to make people on edge.
THIS +1!
People honestly, think about how easy it is to bust a paranoid person. Even if FBI or DEA doesn't have any proof, they can always lie through newspapers/agencies and they can do so without breaking any laws. The fact that FBI or DEA hasn't posted anything on the behalf of themselves already shows that they have nothing certain and they can't intimidate anyone with their proof. The only thing they can say is: "Drugs are illegal, we'll bust you SOMEDAY and don't do drugs!" While at the same time their own government supports drug cartels with guns, so NICE going USA:)
~~sitamaja
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I still wouldn't be worried unless you're some bigtime vendor who regularly makes huge deals. The DEA isn't looking to bust small time buyers experimenting with different drugs for recreational. How often do you hear about DEA raiding houses to seize 2 or 3 tabs of LSD? Rarely, if ever... but how often do you hear about the DEA busting huge coke shipments?
The RIAA had no qualms over prosecuting middle class people who pirated an album or two just to make an example. If SR were to be busted, there's a very real possibility that the government targets a few recreational users just to make examples of them. It's all scare tactic bullshit but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
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They are clearly being asked to stir it. LOL. Gawker, suck my cock please.
LOL! Politest request for fellatio ever.
I see this all as free publicity. Good thing for vendors (higher client base, more exposure) and better for buyers (more competition, better prices).
The system, as I understand it, is set to be scaled up to accomodate an influx of buyers without compromising the integrity and security of the process - right?
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http://gawker.com/5926440/are-authorities-closing-in-on-the-online-drug-market-silk-road
I'm yet to see conclusive proof either way that SR is in trouble but shit like this being published tends to make me kind of nervous. It's talking about a DEA investigation, DPR's mysterious absence, and a man who is supposedly tony76 being arrested in Canada. Not really sure what to make of it all. Thoughts?
I swear to God that the DEA are becoming more and more like UNATCO everyday. Any minute now they'll put out a press release claiming JC Denton is a terrorist responsible for the bombings on liberty island and disturbances in Hong Kong.
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I think people forget that journalist and agencies like the FBI and DEA sometimes work very closely together, especially if said journalists lean towards the law-and-order perspective. I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI and DEA constructed the information they gave Gawker so the article was written to make people on edge.
Considering the evidence put before the Levinson inquiry id say the reporters and police are pretty much in each others pockets and pants probably, remember we are at war, the war on drugs is one of the biggest stones in the governments shoes, (so much money wasted) i don't think they can stop the flow of drugs so these clippings are like propaganda, keep people uneducated and scare them into submission, unfortunately we don't have the same global media outlets to counterattack there bullshit.
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It's clear what happened. Some bloke at Gawker saw the news article that was done a few weeks ago (they mentioned that the DEA had an ongoing investigation on SR) and then right after that article, I noticed a few threads saying that DPR was MIA..
So, that gawker guy/girl saw both of those (with the thread that asks if that canadian bust had anything to do with sr) and made a stupid article about shit we already knew.. they are grasping for news, obv... There was absolutely no substance to that article at all...Just to spread fear or to get people to read...and there was nothing published that wasn't already here in the forums. why doesn't gawker just post the onion url to the forums? it would be much better news, lol.. (at least it would be semi-accurate)
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@The reporters writing these articles...
I would like to offer you some of my products to give you the change to see how the packages arrive and give you the chance to write a pretty awesome story at the same time.
P.S. You get free drugs!
I am a reporter for Gawker and the New York Times and ESPN and Cat Fancy. Please send me all the drugs. Thanks!
/sarcasm
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Fuck Gawker. Hipster deuchbags in my opinion. Clearly, they made some good ad money off the previous SR articles, or they were intimidated into scaring people away from the site for various possible reasons.
Tony was a scammer, he didn't "disappear," and he certainly isn't dead I believe.
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Plus, MiN didn't get busted because of anything other than what they listed: "He was using Western Union and that's what made him available for tracing."
Sooo... vendors using WU and MG... I'd stop.
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Plus, MiN didn't get busted because of anything other than what they listed: "He was using Western Union and that's what made him available for tracing."
Sooo... vendors using WU and MG... I'd stop.
Lol any vendor foolish enough to use WU and MG deserves to get clocked. You are basically beggin for 5-O to fuck you.
Min may have been a good vendor and it's sad he was nicked but he took a foolish risk doing what he did. I love coke (as some of you may know...) and nearly made a buy off him but I am fucking glad I didn't know if he was doing that shit.
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Did anyone get side busted for his bust?
Like.. his addresses he sent to?
Good vendors are good vendors.. but are they smart vendors? =/
Money overpowers people, EZ.
A family of four, =/.
Sad.
Fuck WU AND MG!
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If you are using WU and MG, you aren't a good vendor.
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It's clear what happened. Some bloke at Gawker saw the news article that was done a few weeks ago (they mentioned that the DEA had an ongoing investigation on SR) and then right after that article, I noticed a few threads saying that DPR was MIA..
If Adrian Chen and the DEA are being super cooperative, then it behooves DPR to not post on here specifically when there are 'MIA DPR' threads. It could be an attempt at an intersection attack, which is why you should never mention when specifically you are going to be posting here or not. I think DPR already knows that but others should be wary too.
I also think we should have a emergency channel separate to the Internet itself, using Numbers Stations to communicate basic information. Numbers Stations are a special kind of radio station, basically impossible to find from what I've heard, but anybody can pickup their signals. Not sure about the communication distance, but it seems to me that if the radius was large enough, then for a couple of hundred bucks the Silk Road could have a back-up channel on the mainland and in Europe. Getting the equipment might not be so easy (to obtain it anonymously I mean), I'm pretty sure the government keeps a close eye on this stuff. But China... enough said.
It wouldn't be anything like the utility of carrying an entire forum about of course, but a tiny amount of information in the right place and time in an emergency could be absolutely pivotal to SR resilience e.g. DPR: ohai Ima alive! or "In the event of SR blackout, here is the new address + this message is signed with my zillion bit PGP key sig to prove this is legit".
Also, Numbers Stations sound totally badass when you listen to them on a receiver or pickup a stray signal on some piece of equipment, there's no reason why James Bond types should get all the fun! :D
Protip concept for anarchy: I suspect it is possible to effectively DDOS police radio channels for pretty much forever. Also most police use the same encryption as the taxi companies. None. Anybody can listen in.
Lastly; on the subject of MG and WU, apart from their exorbitant fees, I've read that the forms they have you fill out are specially treated paper such that it's super easy to leave prints. Has anybody else heard this? In any case, when filling out app forms, always use gloves.
-- Paranoid Pine
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As for DPR - I'd post less also.
In fact I'd cash out my coin and STFU.
And the DEA - they been crying about stopping drugs all over the place and there are still drugs all over the place.
They have failed.
They justify the wages by keeping up the pretense that drugs destroy societies.
Victorian England anyone?
Drugs all over, pure heroin, pure coke, pure cannabis tictures!
No DEA, the nation got its shit together.
DEA could not turn DPR as if they allowed him to let SR sell drugs, I am suing due to almost overdosing on speed. DEA let that sale go on and never stepped in.
They shriveled my dick.
Some good points, not quite so eloquent. Any light reading of any deepweb activity will quickly show you that the more you post the more you give away.
Why the fuck do we post about this? Send PM's? Because it is helpful and what we do....but nearly every single time, anything really going on on the deepweb is spread all over the forums with usernames. FFS LE simply come in and have a read with their morning coffee and doughnuts...so yes of course DPR is silent if he is intelligent and has read even the first thing about this game...
This can be kept ahead of everything if we can have secure channels...the Numbers Network is seriously worth considering as are other options...but all of them will be very different from spelling it all out to everyone every single time and thinking that post count counts...
And I know you guys were joking and what you meant, but jokingly saying that you feel that you missed out by not being mentioned...anybody in the world can read that...what are your intentions Ladies and Gentlemen?
And considering I am typing, what are mine? Pointing out facts...and still poking a head above a parapet, no matter how many layers of parapet i think i might be behind, I am me and this is the truth...your shit better be water tight...I have seen the mightiest fall, every single fucking time it has had nothing to do with the operation, it was a slip up elsewhere that exposed them...not even as stupid as MIN using MG and WU...find it hard to even type those letters, if I ever read them they are the last ones that I usually read...
We all know where the weakest point is, and it is not SR...
Perhaps our own absolute assurance is dependent on the Bitcoin and its expansion or lack thereof, it is such an interesting concept and worthwhile test for the sake of macro economics....right now though...it has one strong association...too strong...so strong that it is the weak point...
What other options are there other than a Forum though? Fucking Coffee Mornings?
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Alright guys, here's proof that this deuchnozzle was doing it for fame/traffic. Straight from his own mouth, talking to a presumed Australian reporter. Listen to the pure naivite in this guy's writing. And the "reporter" (?) too. LOL Straight from the comments section about 4 hours ago.
EileyOrmsby yesterday
I hardly think my (Australian) article you linked to was 'sounding the alarm'. It was a balanced look at Silk Road in the context of the call for reform to the so-called 'War on Drugs'.
I've since written several articles on Silk Road (including one on the greatest disappearance of all - that of Tony76, with an estimated $100-250K of users' money) - see my blog All Things Vice for another angle to the Silk Road story.
(not sure if links are allowed: [allthingsvice.wordpress.com])
3 replies to EileyOrmsby
[Adrian Chen]
Adrian Chen 4 hours ago
Ah, wish I had seen that before I wrote the article. I was just reading about Tony76 in the forums today, actually.
I do agree scammers are going to become a much bigger problem as Silk Road blows up (even more than it already is.) But I find it hard to believe that at some point one of the admins or higher-ups aren't busted and that brings the whole thing down. As we saw with Anonymous and LulzSec, these guys might talk big game but they often have pretty shoddy OpSec.
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I really hope SR continues and thrives. Gawker and its readers love love love drugs so I'm just going to tell myself this is good for business.
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.Well hello this is my first post must say I love SR among the other Market place in Tor BMR hope to see them stay alive for ver long time to come.
But when it comes to the media they have been in with the GOV remember the 2nd Gulf War and all them Journalist writing about all those WMD we all know by now they did not only made it up but knew there where no WMD's as Iraq discontinued the WMD program after 1990.
CNN the BBC even spread the US Propaganda noting new same thing here
Vendors can go down and one should keep this in mind.
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DPR's mysterious absence
Um, I just saw him post in the forum a few days ago:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=1
and a man who is supposedly tony76 being arrested in Canada
Why would that be a threat to SR?
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Does anyone have the link to the full article? I have been meaning to read it but the gawker link is blank and do not wish to view it through the clearnet. thanks yall
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http://gawker.com/5926440/are-authorities-closing-in-on-the-online-drug-market-silk-road?comment=51026473?tag=digital-underground
Totally ridiculous hype. Seems like author is trying to intentionally sensationalize shit. We already knew the feds had been trying to take shit down since last summer.
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http://gawker.com/5926440/are-authorities-closing-in-on-the-online-drug-market-silk-road
I'm yet to see conclusive proof either way that SR is in trouble but shit like this being published tends to make me kind of nervous. It's talking about a DEA investigation, DPR's mysterious absence, and a man who is supposedly tony76 being arrested in Canada. Not really sure what to make of it all. Thoughts?
I swear to God that the DEA are becoming more and more like UNATCO everyday. Any minute now they'll put out a press release claiming JC Denton is a terrorist responsible for the bombings on liberty island and disturbances in Hong Kong.
you have no idea how happy deus ex references make me
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also for the record I don't really care if everyone shits on me but the reason I made this thread was to point out that there was a new article from one of the first news sources to publicize SR. I found it of interest and apparently I'm not the only one. I wasn't aware that DPR hadn't stopped posting because I don't frequent the forum all that much but I should have checked that, sorry.
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shit means nothing.
got the vendors i love. got the bitcoins i worked for. got the pgp key i use and..ugh..got a house..i live in...for drugs..and stuff.
TITS RULE
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I think everyone`s panicking over this, I mean its only been a short while since his last reply.
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A) its gawker
B) everyones been paranoid from the beginning
C) nothing has changed
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Lol yeah, if this was The Times or the New York Times I might actually give a fuck, this is however a gossipy tabloid that is named after facial expression you would pull after seeing Steve Erwin come back from the dead and finger-fuck a Giant Panda.
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the crazy part is...no one wants to be actually happy that this happened...ugh, cause like last year this tabloid just helped raise my coins.
my suggestion to those who are a little worried? take some of that appreciated buying power and buy some benzo's
or donate some btc to me, whichever you want.
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Gawker is such a joke. Calling this journalism.. HAHA give me a fucking break
Hope to god they aren't getting paid
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i bet 100bits that some of them are buyers on this.
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Yeah that's what I mean, yeah, the journos are cunts and they do talk shit but it's putting more quids in my back burner and that gives me a nice lifestyle. Cheers slags, you bought my 20 Marlboro Lights and my Innocent Smoothies today and I will put the takeaway I might order tonight on Gawker too.
It's annoyin they chat so much shit, it'd be nice if they wrote a balanced point of view. However as long as the waves continue to break against the sea wall I don't really care.
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C) SR gained more visibility, ensuring the Libertarian machine keeps chugging along despite the best efforts of Big Brother everywhere. The system is the solution (as far as I know. I'm very far from a techie, but it seems to me this is time to redouble faith in the system, and for vendors to get ready for a shit-ton more customers.)
FTFY
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http://gawker.com/5926440/are-authorities-closing-in-on-the-online-drug-market-silk-road?comment=51026473?tag=digital-underground
Totally ridiculous hype. Seems like author is trying to intentionally sensationalize shit. We already knew the feds had been trying to take shit down since last summer.
Yeah from what i have been hearing it just a bunch of nonsense. I mean its is the silk road. Why wouldnt they be investigating it?
Still couldnt read it but thanks for the link man.
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lets just take this down guys, honestly...we are above this. seriously.
love you all and spread honestly, good business and respect and we will ALL be ok!
xoxo
TITS
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wouldnt it be funny if DPR actually worked at gawker or wired as their systems admin or something. comes in to work one day "hey have you heard u can buy drugs online?" next thing he's richer then the CEO of the company he works for from all the new SR members and sales. lol.
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Hm. So has Gawker somehow got tipped off to the inside scoop and has front row seats right now? This downtime sounds a bit more serious than usual.
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Hm. So has Gawker somehow got tipped off to the inside scoop and has front row seats right now? This downtime sounds a bit more serious than usual.
nope. just DPR applying updates/changes. he confirmed it himself. time to buy drugs again!
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This article doesn't even propose any new information.
It's just rehashing things we've known for ages in a sensationalist way.
And then at the end, he tries to bash SR for the paranoia that he himself is helping to perpetuate.
Classy move there Adrian, you really are a good reporter. What a great, great, article.
"And these lateset ripples probably are just another wave of unfounded paranoia that sweeps periodically through this dark corner of the web, fueled by the mind-bending substances traded there and the anonymity that makes the whole thing possible. Maybe MiN disappeared because he was a scammer, and the other vendors just got sick of dealing mail-order drugs. Maybe Dread Pirate Roberts is on vacation with the winner of his 4/20 contest. Or maybe it's something else."
I had to laugh at that part. You might be on to something there Adey, you might indeed. Maybe Sr is full of paranoid drug abusers.... maybe we are all off our rockers... maybe you do actually have integrity and your story is worth reading. Or maybe you're a fucking twat.
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Someone has to talk about something, somewhere.
Oh well.
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Hm. So has Gawker somehow got tipped off to the inside scoop and has front row seats right now? This downtime sounds a bit more serious than usual.
nope. just DPR applying updates/changes. he confirmed it himself. time to buy drugs again!
I really wish people wouldn't trip balls when SR goes down for a spell. If it was being taken down they'd kill both the forum and SR at the same time so people couldn't raise the alarm. It's like cutting a phone line before going in a house to knock someone over. You do it so they can't call for aid or alert others that may be targeted.
When SR and SR forums both go down....shit your pants.....until then.....do not shit your pants.
And LOL Gawker being tipped off? Gawker couldn't get the inside scoop if they were given a box of Mr Whippy and one of them curly spoons. They are a shower of bastards, not journalists.
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Haha.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
They are all probably on here right now fishing for some illicit drugs.
BRB.. selling the DEA some bitcoins.
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Because we are part of the decadent West mate and as such we are lazy and so instead of doing ACTUAL journalism they would rather sit around getting their cocks sucked and their tits licked than do real research.
Anyway, I'm off for a line of Ketamine and a bath. I shall return shortly!
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Simple.. it's easy for LE to set up sting ops and watch you from say... a 6 mile radius.. or even with a Helicoptor that you can't see or hear but it's.... a few miles above you watching your every move??
Then there is the Road... ah.. the MODERN REVOLUTION.
You think the DEA and any other LE ENJOYS the Road.. I mean.. it's the most blatant slap in the face with a stack of money that we have ever seen. Seriously, they know YOU and YOU and YOU and YOU and YOU and YOU and YOU and YOU.. and EVERYONE else is here.. buying and selling drugs... but what can they do?
Sit in the forums and call us stupid drug users and write irrelevant articles to help flourish your journalism... LESS Q.Q MOAR PEWPEW.
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In german we call this "sommerloch". No real news, just warm up something old to fill the pages.
And why are US/UK(?) so obsessed with this place? Doesn't have any major city way more drugs being sold than SR? Why are they going for the net of all places?
Because the USA's failed attempt at a 'War on Drugs' has left them with little-to-none respect, so if they took this site down they'd be like OH YEAH WE R WINNERS YAY, fucking douchebags the lot of them.
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In german we call this "sommerloch". No real news, just warm up something old to fill the pages.
And why are US/UK(?) so obsessed with this place? Doesn't have any major city way more drugs being sold than SR? Why are they going for the net of all places?
Because the USA's failed attempt at a 'War on Drugs' has left them with little-to-none respect, so if they took this site down they'd be like OH YEAH WE R WINNERS YAY, fucking douchebags the lot of them.
And because the Journalists like to get their tits licked. This is a very important factor.
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In german we call this "sommerloch". No real news, just warm up something old to fill the pages.
And why are US/UK(?) so obsessed with this place? Doesn't have any major city way more drugs being sold than SR? Why are they going for the net of all places?
Because the USA's failed attempt at a 'War on Drugs' has left them with little-to-none respect, so if they took this site down they'd be like OH YEAH WE R WINNERS YAY, fucking douchebags the lot of them.
And because the Journalists like to get their tits licked. This is a very important factor.
Oh yes how could I forget, both male and female. They should do a story about how corrupt the government is, or are they more concerned about their jobs then the truth ::)?
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I would just like to say that America is fucking awesome but the politics and government are shit. Citizens are amazing except for the bible thumping, redneck retards.
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I'm the guy that posted about about DPR going MIA. I totally made that up just to get a discussiion going. They put my whole quote in the article but I didn't get credited. WTF? Where do I send my complaint? I demand to be recognized or you'll never see Buttercup alive again!
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UHMERICUH... FUCK YAH.
Bible thumping inbreeds. !!!!!!!!!!!
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Everyone in america is fucking retards honestly. Nobody thinks for themselves, everyones a follower. Not everyone, but majority.
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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If anyone is still trying to read the article from a browser that blocks scripting, try pasting the address (www.gawker.com/ 5926440/ are-authorities-closing-in-on-the-online-drug-market-silk-road) into the Firefox search bar on the upper right. It should be set to use Startpage if you are using the TBB. Once on the results page, simply click the "View by Ixquick Proxy" link below the appropriate result.
As for the article, I just don't see how the author came to the conclusion he did. What exactly made him think that the feds are "closing in" on anything? I don't see one shred of evidence in that article, other than some rumor from MDMA dealers that was going around for months already. Look, we all know that every relevant federal law enforcement agency is investigating this place. They've already busted buyers and vendors (same goes internationally), and as far as I know, that's what they will keep doing for a while. It's possible that some day, they will try to completely take down SR, but not until they bust a shitload of users first.
Either this author has real intel from some confidential source that he can't even mention, or he is basically assuming that, like, it's been a year since the last article, and by now the cops tooootally should be on Silk Road's ASS, brahh. In case of the former, I doubt he'd risk tipping SR off to a huge investigation that penetrated it all the way to the top, even in there was no classified information being revealed in said vague article. Like someone else said, it's not like Gawker is Reuters or the New York Times. I doubt the author wants to risk being investigated himself, publicity be damned.
Assuming this article is just baseless sensationalism, it's probably a good thing. We should all assume that SR has been a fed honeypot this whole time. Don't get too personal with anyone and PGP everything! Don't tell anyone about Silk Road anywhere under any circumstances, and certainly not over any piece of technology such as a cell phone. Don't write anything down involving SR; keep all notes encrypted. Last but not least, completely destroy all SR-related packaging material. Don't wait until you have a reason to be secure, because then it will be too late.
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I'm the guy that posted about about DPR going MIA. I totally made that up just to get a discussiion going. They put my whole quote in the article but I didn't get credited. WTF? Where do I send my complaint? I demand to be recognized or you'll never see Buttercup alive again!
Well, you got a +1 from me if that's worth anything lol
Sensationalized, grandoise "journalistic" hype. Good. Let them get their information from anonymous secondary sources. Nancy Reagan would be proud of this article.
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http://gawker.com/5926440/are-authorities-closing-in-on-the-online-drug-market-silk-road
I'm yet to see conclusive proof either way that SR is in trouble but shit like this being published tends to make me kind of nervous. It's talking about a DEA investigation, DPR's mysterious absence, and a man who is supposedly tony76 being arrested in Canada. Not really sure what to make of it all. Thoughts?
I swear to God that the DEA are becoming more and more like UNATCO everyday. Any minute now they'll put out a press release claiming JC Denton is a terrorist responsible for the bombings on liberty island and disturbances in Hong Kong.
you have no idea how happy deus ex references make me
Well, it was a pretty awesome game, and the world has become increasingly deus ex like. For example, if you read the newspapers and information points in deus ex, you'll notice several predictions have actually gone from fiction to fact since the game was published, and not in a vague general way either.
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Just fuckin legalize it. Yeah, it would probably hurt the Road and cost us all a bit more for our drugs but I'm okay with that if a whole lot less people die.
This! +1
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Also, has anyone else noticed the HTML for the Gawker article refers to a server of theirs called ganja.gawkerassets.com ... looks like they've been taking a few tokes too many. ;)
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Hey can someone tell me what the article says? I can't read.
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Hey can someone tell me what the article says? I can't read.
Its basically a shitty journalism take on SR. The author claims that SR is being targeted and being closed in on by law enforcement agencies because of the few threads/posts that state that SR is under LE control and that DPR went MIA. Its all bullshit, DPR came back and replied on threads day before yesterday and so.
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The article sums up random speculations that have been posted since i joined SR and most likely long before that too.
Anyway, even if it was true I wouldn't care.
PGP will protect me, and I've taken greater risks IRL to get high.
No matter what rumors appear, people will continue to use SR no matter how risky it is because it's still the safest way to do business.
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It's obvious the DEA has the mainstream media in it's pocket.
I am sorry but this is just funny, you do realize that the "mainstream media" is a far more powerful entity the the DEA. You cannot really compare the two but still....
The "Mainstream Media" is a billions of dollar profit generating industry... the DEA is a law enforcement agency operated by the federal government...
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I really wish people wouldn't trip balls when SR goes down for a spell. If it was being taken down they'd kill both the forum and SR at the same time so people couldn't raise the alarm. It's like cutting a phone line before going in a house to knock someone over. You do it so they can't call for aid or alert others that may be targeted.
When SR and SR forums both go down....shit your pants.....until then.....do not shit your pants.
Only reason I thought otherwise was because of truenull's thread. Having pentested and done a vulnerability assessment and familiar with the db issues, he seemed better positioned than most to have some idea.
As far as both going down at the same time, yeah if that's convenient or even possible it would ideally go down that way. But I'd be shocked if the site and forums are hosted in the same locations or even load balanced by the same servers for that very reason. I suppose they could try a DDoS of forums while taking down SR as long as spillover from links to SR doesn't interfere or are removed first. But I don't really see why the forums need to be an essential part of such a take down at all?
And LOL Gawker being tipped off? Gawker couldn't get the inside scoop if they were given a box of Mr Whippy and one of them curly spoons. They are a shower of bastards, not journalists.
Yeah I said that in jest. :)
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Doesn't anyone else feel like we're slightly playing into their hands by having countless discussion about varying news articles, most of which say the same things? We're merely giving them more information and preventing them from having to do their own investigations. What quicker way to see what 'we' as a collective know/think about the feds closing in than to put it in an article and let us have at it. And then in a few weeks write an article with the headline that says "SR community respond to 'x'" - "As previously reported by Gawker..."!
The more we discuss at length the relevance of these various "journalist's" arguments (or lack thereof) we're merely playing by their rules. And each time we debate/clarify the same points over and over again.
Now the author/fucktard can come here and see that he's started a discussion that spans several pages - we're just feeding their ego!
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I read an Interview from a retired german journalist who said pretty much that. You do the stories the publisher wants/allows you to do. There are tons of (especially the young and motivated) journalists who would love to do the investigative stories, but aren't allowed to. The papers they work for can pretty much destroy their career, if they don't behave.
Also there's a famous example in the USA, Christopher Hidgens, former Editor of the New York Times. He compiled a shitload of evidence that the reasons for the Iraq-war were not legit (*before* the war). He wasn't allowed to go forward with his story, so he quit the NYT(!). When asked about his opinion about the NYT and if he considers it a quality news-source (in a 2hr cspan interview) he said something like: "Yes, the stories they do are of high quality. But that isn't the issue. The problem is not what they report, but what they decide to NOT report."
Oh yeah. There's no question. I was watching an interview of Michael Hastings on TyT, the rolling stone reporter that embedded himself with McChrystal in Afghanistan and got the general fired for insubordinate comments of the CiC in '10. He was discussing his time at newsweek from '00-06 and how a story like his rs article would have been buried and neutered in a rag like newsweek. Instead of a responsibility of reporting facts to their readers, chief editors like Jon Meacham are chosen because of their commitment to feeding the myth of American exceptionalism, having swallowed the myth whole themselves and proven their toolness to their corporate masters. Doesn't matter if the MSM rag is left, right, or center ... their executive editors all share this trait as a req of the job. This fit in perfectly with Chomsky's MUST READ Manufacturing Consent and the chapter on media filters written prior to the birth of the internet but just as valid today on how media filters are implemented that affects public perception and limits choices. Great stuff in understanding the nuance of effective propaganda at present.
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I really wish people wouldn't trip balls when SR goes down for a spell. If it was being taken down they'd kill both the forum and SR at the same time so people couldn't raise the alarm. It's like cutting a phone line before going in a house to knock someone over. You do it so they can't call for aid or alert others that may be targeted.
When SR and SR forums both go down....shit your pants.....until then.....do not shit your pants.
Only reason I thought otherwise was because of truenull's thread. Having pentested and done a vulnerability assessment and familiar with the db issues, he seemed better positioned than most to have some idea.
As far as both going down at the same time, yeah if that's convenient or even possible it would ideally go down that way. But I'd be shocked if the site and forums are hosted in the same locations or even load balanced by the same servers for that very reason. I suppose they could try a DDoS of forums while taking down SR as long as spillover from links to SR doesn't interfere or are removed first. But I don't really see why the forums need to be an essential part of such a take down at all?
And LOL Gawker being tipped off? Gawker couldn't get the inside scoop if they were given a box of Mr Whippy and one of them curly spoons. They are a shower of bastards, not journalists.
Yeah I said that in jest. :)
It's quite obvious why the forums would be essential because of the reason I gave above. If they were to sting they would probably go for the grand slam and probs get the top vendors/staff/Mods/and the Ace in the Pack - DPR. If they hit the site then DPR/the staff/whoever could still alert people to scatter and dispose of anything they had through the forums. IF (big IF) they could do a big sting then they would be stupid not to kill the forum as well as SR itself because it allows them to cut off all communication save the people who have peoples emails which is far too fragmented.
Think about it like this - How is the best way to stop people from running? By cutting off their legs. How do you stop people from talking? You sew up their lips. How do you stop people from listening? You cut off their ears and deafen them.
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Doesn't anyone else feel like we're slightly playing into their hands by having countless discussion about varying news articles, most of which say the same things? We're merely giving them more information and preventing them from having to do their own investigations. What quicker way to see what 'we' as a collective know/think about the feds closing in than to put it in an article and let us have at it. And then in a few weeks write an article with the headline that says "SR community respond to 'x'" - "As previously reported by Gawker..."!
OK, tinfoil hat time. But I just don't see it. What do you think is so invaluable about what "we" are giving "them" in these discussions that couldn't be garnered elsewhere? And why do you think journalists that practice a lazy brand of journalism (the only brand left standing these days) committed to sensationalism would care about conducting investigations anyway? It's clear from this most recent Gawker article that Chen did the most cursory of forum surfing before ripping out his article for pub.
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OK, tinfoil hat time. But I just don't see it. What do you think is so invaluable about what "we" are giving "them" in these discussions that couldn't be garnered elsewhere? And why do you think journalists that practice a lazy brand of journalism (the only brand left standing these days) committed to sensationalism would care about conducting investigations anyway? It's clear from this most recent Gawker article that Chen did the most cursory of forum surfing before ripping out his article for pub.
Lol, I didn't see it as tinfoil hat time, but I see what you mean.
It's more that we're just playing into this ego by discussing it for pages...My grandma used to say that if you don't rise to people when they poke you, they don't get what they want so they stop poking you. I guess I was thinking along those lines.
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IF (big IF) they could do a big sting then they would be stupid not to kill the forum as well as SR itself because it allows them to cut off all communication save the people who have peoples emails which is far too fragmented.
Think about it like this - How is the best way to stop people from running? By cutting off their legs. How do you stop people from talking? You sew up their lips. How do you stop people from listening? You cut off their ears and deafen them.
Hm. I guess if I were to envision LE take down philosophy it would be - How to kill a snake? By cutting off its head. The logistics of swooping thousands of buyers around the world simultaneously would prove challenging and costly and is not even necessary for a successful op. Cutting off the head is all that really matters since without it, the body (buyers) ceases to function without a source. If the primary concern of the forums is tipping people off to destroy evidence, then without the accompanying buyer roundup it becomes trivial.
That's how I see it anyway. Course like I said if there's a convenient way to down the forum too, then sure. I'm just not sure it's mission critical to a take down op.
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IF (big IF) they could do a big sting then they would be stupid not to kill the forum as well as SR itself because it allows them to cut off all communication save the people who have peoples emails which is far too fragmented.
Think about it like this - How is the best way to stop people from running? By cutting off their legs. How do you stop people from talking? You sew up their lips. How do you stop people from listening? You cut off their ears and deafen them.
Hm. I guess if I were to envision LE take down philosophy it would be - How to kill a snake? By cutting off its head. The logistics of swooping thousands of buyers around the world simultaneously would prove challenging and costly and is not even necessary for a successful op. Cutting off the head is all that really matters since without it, the body (buyers) ceases to function without a source. If the primary concern of the forums is tipping people off to destroy evidence, then without the accompanying buyer roundup it becomes trivial.
That's how I see it anyway. Course like I said if there's a convenient way to down the forum too, then sure. I'm just not sure it's mission critical to a take down op.
Woah there soldier, you are rushing a bit too far ahead lol. I am not saying they give a fuck about the buyers, they don't lol. Not unless you were buying serious weight and even then they wont know about you unless your shit got clocked and they have been watching you for a while. Like I have said before countless times they are bothered about DPR and his staff, then the Mods and big vendors (past 300 sales and that have high rep on the forums) and then the vendors that have got 300 sales but aren't talked about much. That's who they'd wana sting and that's why they'd take the forum down too, they couldn't give a flying fuck about the buyers lol.
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Woah there soldier, you are rushing a bit too far ahead lol. I am not saying they give a fuck about the buyers, they don't lol. Not unless you were buying serious weight and even then they wont know about you unless your shit got clocked and they have been watching you for a while. Like I have said before countless times they are bothered about DPR and his staff, then the Mods and big vendors (past 300 sales and that have high rep on the forums) and then the vendors that have got 300 sales but aren't talked about much. That's who they'd wana sting and that's why they'd take the forum down too, they couldn't give a flying fuck about the buyers lol.
Yeah that makes much more sense. :)
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lovely back and forth banter here. Good stuff guys. and as im reading this awesomeness...im order stuff too. haha
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It's more that we're just playing into this ego by discussing it for pages...My grandma used to say that if you don't rise to people when they poke you, they don't get what they want so they stop poking you. I guess I was thinking along those lines.
My guess is that his ego is already through the stratosphere for being the one to break the initial Gawker story a year ago that opened the floodgates to the mainstream masses, and was recharged when he came back for more 6 months later with the news that SR had begun selling weapons. This is now his 3rd time at the well and the lack of substance this time around was epic. He seems content to surf on the fumes of past notoriety with his rather baseless and poorly researched update.
I guess what your grandma didn't take into account is that "you" in this case is the spectacle of the Elephant Man. So no matter how silent John "Silk Road" Merrick stays, he can't help but be poked, prodded, and beaten for being an easy to sensationalize freak for exhibition. :)
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I still wouldn't be worried unless you're some bigtime vendor who regularly makes huge deals. The DEA isn't looking to bust small time buyers experimenting with different drugs for recreational. How often do you hear about DEA raiding houses to seize 2 or 3 tabs of LSD? Rarely, if ever... but how often do you hear about the DEA busting huge coke shipments?
I totally agree, as a small time buyer I don't feel too threatened. No DUH the DEA is trying to get in on this shit, the moment they heard about it I'm sure they had agents working on it. I don't buy from new sellers, period, I like to see 2 months of history and a decent number of sales. It's for sure more risky for sellers. Disrupting the operation of SR would really require going after the servers / owner to the point that it would forcibly be taken offline. If you deal with the same regular vendors, there should not be very much that can get in between.
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The won't be able to get at servers or owners, if they could've they would've already ::)
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The won't be able to get at servers or owners, if they could've they would've already ::)
Hahaha, I`d like to see them try to press charges against me for selling kaleidoscopes and wooden swords. ::)
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Wish they would mention me. :( I'm way cooler than Jones. :P ;)
Not really Jones, love ya really, not in a gay way though.
HAHAHA! Sorry I'm late on the thread wagon. I was also bummed they didn't mention your land rover. What cunts.
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I got a pm that said, "I want to buy your product and send you cash in the mail. I've bought lots of hash that way." That was definitely LE right?
Give them an address. Tell em it's safe and sound there. Then sit back and smile and keep up the good road biz as usual.
These indoctrinated money/power hungry faggots are just trolls. And they're reaching.
Am I the only one that knows the whole point of the dread pirate roberts is that he's never the real one.
The DEA are worthless people on this earth. I mean.... don't get me wrong. I still believe there is good in them. I still have faith their souls have not entirely fallen to the dark side. It only takes an awakening. Just hopefully it's not through their deaths that they finally realize their trespasses.
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Wish they would mention me. :( I'm way cooler than Jones. :P ;)
Not really Jones, love ya really, not in a gay way though.
HAHAHA! Sorry I'm late on the thread wagon. I was also bummed they didn't mention your land rover. What cunts.
Yeah still pisses me off that does man. My LR is much more interesting than Heroin, you can't drive over rugged terrain with Heroin and neither can Heroin take bullets for you, well not in any practical sense anyway. Heroin definitely wont aid in the robbing of banks or running over your enemies too, in fact it'd be quite detrimental to either of those actions. So really, why all they Hype about the Heroin? Lets talk about the beast.
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So, they talking about that colorado shit on tv and the guy was supposedly receiving parcel mail with ammunition and bomb making supplies according to the media.
I really don't believe shit they say and it wouldn't surprise if they use this case just to get more support and spread more fear about sites like the armory....
EDIT: Maybe that guy that's been saying shut the armory down or else, maybe this was his "or else". Write about that gawker.
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I got a pm that said, "I want to buy your product and send you cash in the mail. I've bought lots of hash that way." That was definitely LE right?
Give them an address. Tell em it's safe and sound there. Then sit back and smile and keep up the good road biz as usual.
These indoctrinated money/power hungry faggots are just trolls. And they're reaching.
Am I the only one that knows the whole point of the dread pirate roberts is that he's never the real one.
The DEA are worthless people on this earth. I mean.... don't get me wrong. I still believe there is good in them. I still have faith their souls have not entirely fallen to the dark side. It only takes an awakening. Just hopefully it's not through their deaths that they finally realize their trespasses.
Its comments like those that you made are part of what attracts tabloid like site like Gawker to these forums. Joe Schmoe DEA agent is usually a guy just doing his job. His job is too enforce policies/laws. We disagree with those laws but to call someone "worthless" is silly. It is also slightly threatening.
It is almost as worse as calling someone a "f*ggot"... nothing makes a person sound dumber then a homophobic/racist/sexist term. Seriously. People get angry about attention being drawn on to SR and post like yours are part of what brings it.
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Hey Lim can you lock this thread now?
The title no longer applies and it was dumb as shit when it was started.
More WRONG paranoid bullshit.
Love that DPR announced a new and improved version of this site just days after these paranoid dumb fucks started these type of threads.
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Hey Lim can you lock this thread now?
The title no longer applies and it was dumb as shit when it was started.
More WRONG paranoid bullshit.
Love that DPR announced anew and improved version of this site just days after these paranoid dumb fucks started these type of threads.
Hey Lim can you lock this thread now?
The title no longer applies and it was dumb as shit when it was started.
More WRONG paranoid bullshit.
Love that DPR announced anew and improved version of this site just days after these paranoid dumb fucks started these type of threads.
I second this mans request/opinion/and products!
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I got a pm that said, "I want to buy your product and send you cash in the mail. I've bought lots of hash that way." That was definitely LE right?
Give them an address. Tell em it's safe and sound there. Then sit back and smile and keep up the good road biz as usual.
These indoctrinated money/power hungry faggots are just trolls. And they're reaching.
Am I the only one that knows the whole point of the dread pirate roberts is that he's never the real one.
The DEA are worthless people on this earth. I mean.... don't get me wrong. I still believe there is good in them. I still have faith their souls have not entirely fallen to the dark side. It only takes an awakening. Just hopefully it's not through their deaths that they finally realize their trespasses.
Its comments like those that you made are part of what attracts tabloid like site like Gawker to these forums. Joe Schmoe DEA agent is usually a guy just doing his job. His job is too enforce policies/laws. We disagree with those laws but to call someone "worthless" is silly. It is also slightly threatening.
It is almost as worse as calling someone a "f*ggot"... nothing makes a person sound dumber then a homophobic/racist/sexist term. Seriously. People get angry about attention being drawn on to SR and post like yours are part of what brings it.
Any being exerting force, violence and/or authority over another for money is counter productive to the progression of the human race.
And just because you put an astrisk in a word doesn't make the word any kinder. Its about context. I love gay people plenty so hopefully I didn't actually offend any homos. Attention will be brought to the road as long capitalist gangsters control the guns and commerce, and as long as those who should govern themselves fail to do so.
I tend not to get too hung up on the words. Words are just sounds/utterances attempting to express feeling within. This place exudes much more integrity than irl. Its fucking thrilling. Sorry offended dude.
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I got a pm that said, "I want to buy your product and send you cash in the mail. I've bought lots of hash that way." That was definitely LE right?
Give them an address. Tell em it's safe and sound there. Then sit back and smile and keep up the good road biz as usual.
These indoctrinated money/power hungry faggots are just trolls. And they're reaching.
Am I the only one that knows the whole point of the dread pirate roberts is that he's never the real one.
The DEA are worthless people on this earth. I mean.... don't get me wrong. I still believe there is good in them. I still have faith their souls have not entirely fallen to the dark side. It only takes an awakening. Just hopefully it's not through their deaths that they finally realize their trespasses.
Its comments like those that you made are part of what attracts tabloid like site like Gawker to these forums. Joe Schmoe DEA agent is usually a guy just doing his job. His job is too enforce policies/laws. We disagree with those laws but to call someone "worthless" is silly. It is also slightly threatening.
It is almost as worse as calling someone a "f*ggot"... nothing makes a person sound dumber then a homophobic/racist/sexist term. Seriously. People get angry about attention being drawn on to SR and post like yours are part of what brings it.
Any being exerting force, violence and/or authority over another for money is counter productive to the progression of the human race.
And just because you put an astrisk in a word doesn't make the word any kinder. Its about context. I love gay people plenty so hopefully I didn't actually offend any homos. Attention will be brought to the road as long capitalist gangsters control the guns and commerce, and as long as those who should govern themselves fail to do so.
I tend not to get too hung up on the words. Words are just sounds/utterances attempting to express feeling within. This place exudes much more integrity than irl. Its fucking thrilling. Sorry offended dude.
The context you used it in was describing something perceived by many as negative, it was obviously used in a negative wording/tone. I just get upset that in 2012 that some still use that word like its nothing. I am sure you wouldn't use the "N Word" like that?
Anyways, this is going way off topic and I understand the explanation you are making and I do not doubt that you are sincere. Lets move on.. no harm no foul.
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Multiculturalism is the cause of racism. Thats why most people won`t have the balls to say 'hey, you`re black' or use the word 'nigger' publicly in the presence of black people. Thats why some people will use it against you, claiming your being racist and so on for using those terms/stereotypes. These terms have no meaning at all, and the only people giving it a meaning are people who are all hushed up about it. The slave owners didn`t call their slaves niggers because they had immense hatred, its because that is the term they labeled them with. Even people who were nice to slaves/set them free called them nigger. Its absolutely ridiculous. So a black man can call someone a cracker and the dude being called that can`t say the other is a nigger? Thats retarded, and I frankly don`t know why I even bothered explaining it. I`m asian. ::) They called asians yellows because they had a tint of yellow, not because they hated them, just like they called the Indians 'red-people'.
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well said my man. very nice tits, bro
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Racism was in the Gawker article? O.o;;
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I refer to people as being black or white all the time. Have you ever tried describing someone with out using these terms especially in a group of mixed ethnicity? It is way easier to say "The tall black guy" or "The white kid on the left" than it is to say "The guy on the left in the black shirt with a cigarette."
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On a side note, anyone noticed that tormail.org is down? not their onion address just the clearnet url.
Says the url is suspended :(
omg *cops kick in door, stop buying drugs online teh lulz*
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I am sure you wouldn't use the "N Word" like that?
you can't be seriously be equating the two words, there's an ugly history of discrimination, slavery and homicide that goes along with "nigger," something "faggots" have never had to put up with
Last I checked sodomy was a capital crime in numerous cultures for centuries. It still is throughout Africa. And if you think that's bad do a search on "corrective rape" and then try to avoid getting angry.
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Multiculturalism is the cause of racism. Thats why most people won`t have the balls to say 'hey, you`re black' or use the word 'nigger' publicly in the presence of black people. Thats why some people will use it against you, claiming your being racist and so on for using those terms/stereotypes. These terms have no meaning at all, and the only people giving it a meaning are people who are all hushed up about it. The slave owners didn`t call their slaves niggers because they had immense hatred, its because that is the term they labeled them with. Even people who were nice to slaves/set them free called them nigger. Its absolutely ridiculous. So a black man can call someone a cracker and the dude being called that can`t say the other is a nigger? Thats retarded, and I frankly don`t know why I even bothered explaining it. I`m asian. ::) They called asians yellows because they had a tint of yellow, not because they hated them, just like they called the Indians 'red-people'.
So if someone referred to you as a chink or gook you'd have no problem with it? Seriously?
You sound really ignorant of the historical context of epithets used to demean a different race, paint them as the 'other', and cast them as less than human; subhuman savages no better than barbaric animals in the case of 'nigger'. Whereas the word "cracker" has never been used at any point in history to subjugate those with fair skin as an inferior race. Who the fuck gets offended from being called a cracker? 'Nigger' might have been the common term to refer to blacks during slavery, but it evolved into something far more ugly because it was used during this period when they were treated and subjugated as an inferior race. As a minority, you really should know better. Even if you personally don't mind being called a chink or a gook, there are plenty of your ethnicity with a little more dignity that think otherwise.
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Any being exerting force, violence and/or authority over another for money is counter productive to the progression of the human race.
I'm not sure that's entirely true really. Human history can be mapped out by one group of people kicking-fuck out of another group of people and coming off handsome for it. Look at the Greeks, Romans, Angevin Empire, Holy Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, British Empire, Spanish Empire, Portuguese Empire, and look what the Americans did to the Native Americans. It's obviously shit but come on, this is just what Homo-Sapiens do and it's just our way of competing with each other the same way that animals do in the wild. The difference is that we have added abstract thought into the mix.
Possibly the darkest example is if you look at how World War 2 pushed medical and technological advancements far faster than what it would in times of peace. I'm not saying that World War 2 was a good thing but you can't deny that it pushed advancements that would not have occurred in that time if it didn't happen.
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So if someone referred to you as a chink or gook you'd have no problem with it? Seriously?
You sound really ignorant of the historical context of epithets used to demean a different race, paint them as the 'other', and cast them as less than human; subhuman savages no better than barbaric animals in the case of 'nigger'. Whereas the word "cracker" has never been used at any point in history to subjugate those with fair skin as an inferior race. Who the fuck gets offended from being called a cracker? 'Nigger' might have been the common term to refer to blacks during slavery, but it evolved into something far more ugly because it was used during this period when they were treated and subjugated as an inferior race. As a minority, you really should know better. Even if you personally don't mind being called a chink or a gook, there are plenty of your ethnicity with a little more dignity that think otherwise.
No, you know why? Because that term is a joke. The only places where all these terms are felt to be demeaning are the UK/US. You can come to my country and call anyone chink/good, they`ll just walk away. You can even directly tell them what you mean, they`ll still walk away. They`re smart enough to know that those terms don`t apply to them regardless of their history or such. I`m not ignorant, YOUR ignorant for not realizing that we`re in the 21st century where all of these terms don`t mean shit, other than identifying a race. You know I had black friends, and they were ok with people addressing them as nigger, you know why? because they identify with that term. They even use it themselves to call friends of the same race, but they don`t limit themselves to that. They even call me nigger saying, 'whats up my nigger'. The term has evolved and become a socially acceptable word, and the only people still offended by it are people like you who think it should be hushed up due to historical contexts of it. And who the fuck are you to say no one gets offended by saying cracker? You`re being one-sided and no white kid or guy would like to be called that in a jeery way right?
As a minority, you really should know better. Even if you personally don't mind being called a chink or a gook, there are plenty of your ethnicity with a little more dignity that think otherwise.
Your a dipshit, Did you call me a minority just because my population is smaller than yours in your country? A population of a certain group may be lower than others, but it doesn`t mean they`re 'non-existent'. You do know right that there are places in the world other than America/UK? If anything the Asian population is the biggest of all races in terms of numbers. Just because they are a minority in America/UK, doesn`t mean what you said applies for Asians all over the world. Nigger, chink, cracker/etc are all terms that are by the general public in the US/UK/etc are deemed inappropriate, and frankly its people like you who prolong its non-existent meaning. This is 2012, not 16-1900s. I can`t even believe what you even said. I`m more shocked that you assumed Asians are a minority, and that I naturally should 'know better'. If anything thats more offensive to me than being called Chink/gook or whatever term you can think of.
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They're always having this fight on Gawker and now it's here. Must be lots of Gawker commenters on here. Something I never liked about Gawker is there were always a bunch of people self righteously offended about this and that but the upshot always struck me as an attempt to control others. "I'm so right and you're so wrong so comply with my orders now." I find this aspect of people as troubling as all the nasty things people say about each other. Yeah, people aren't really all that nice as a group. That's why this site is cool. We can do what we can for ourselves and just hope that we are left in peace to do it.
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Your a dipshit, Did you call me a minority just because my population is smaller than yours in your country? A population of a certain group may be lower than others, but it doesn`t mean they`re 'non-existent'. You do know right that there are places in the world other than America/UK? If anything the Asian population is the biggest of all races in terms of numbers. Just because they are a minority in America/UK, doesn`t mean what you said applies for Asians all over the world. Nigger, chink, cracker/etc are all terms that are by the general public in the US/UK/etc are deemed inappropriate, and frankly its people like you who prolong its non-existent meaning. This is 2012, not 16-1900s. I can`t even believe what you even said. I`m more shocked that you assumed Asians are a minority, and that I naturally should 'know better'. If anything thats more offensive to me than being called Chink/gook or whatever term you can think of.
You're right. It was weak for me to assume you were a citizen of the US/UK. Should have asked before accusing you of ignorance as a minority and I'm sorry about that.
What country are you talking about?
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You're right. It was weak for me to assume you were a citizen of the US/UK. Should have asked before accusing you of ignorance as a minority and I'm sorry about that.
What country are you talking about?
I`m glad you realized that, thanks for your honesty. I live in Japan right now, but have been all over SE.