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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: bootl3gg3r on June 18, 2012, 04:11 am
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Hello all, just wanted to drop by and let everyone know that
TONY76= OPI
DON'T GET SUCKERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bootl3gg3r
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Duly noted.What made you come to this conclusion?I'm curious to know,because that oz bar looks tempting.
I wouldn't want to order,and not have it show up :/.
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When the whole Tony fiasco happened Opi was one of the names that came up as he was selling the exact same pebbles, something we'd not seen anyone else sell here.. Plus he's from the same country
However, do you have any more evidence than that? Has anything new come to light. At the moment this just seems like an accusation, can you provide us with a bit more info?
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oh boy....
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I don't think it matters whether OPI is tony76 or not. Regardless, it's going to end badly because: 1) He's selling heroin, and 2) He's requiring FE. It's a recipe for disaster.
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I really don't think it's the same person but I do think that all these Canadian vendors that are all selling the same products at different times are a group of friends who know each other. Unfortunately we'll never know for sure though.
I also know it's really easy to get high quality drugs in Vancouver so who really knows...
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Fucking Canadians. 8) Although, I'm dying to expatriate there!
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I refuse to order from Canadian vendors due to the whole Tony fiasco. I'm almost positive Tony plans to pop on here again under a new name and scam everyone again, if he isn't already trying to do so. Sorry to all REAL Canadian vendors who are actually doing a legit job. It's just my feelings on it all.
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I really don't think it's the same person but I do think that all these Canadian vendors that are all selling the same products at different times are a group of friends who know each other. Unfortunately we'll never know for sure though.
I also know it's really easy to get high quality drugs in Vancouver so who really knows...
Yeah you're right in Vancouver East side, heroin, cocaine, lsd and hard drugs in general are more easy to find than weed. There is a lot of dealers there because they are a lot of junkies too. I'm sure a couple of dealers there know about SR and maybe they want to pull up a scam like tony76 has do, or maybe it's just the same person it's hard to know because of anonymity.. Be cautious with sellers asking to FE, i don't say they are all scammers but a seller with a short selling history that ask people to FE is an alarm sign.
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Hello all, just wanted to drop by and let everyone know that
TONY76= OPI
DON'T GET SUCKERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bootl3gg3r
THIS, and anyone who claims otherwise is tony76 also
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you people still whine and complain about this tony bullshit yet you still finalize early. how about you stop doing that that way even if tony does come back he cant scam you?
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you people
You people, eh? Damn racist.
But seriously I don't think it matters how many times people pull scams like Tony76 when you're selling to people who have physical addictions (opiates), 90% of them are gonna FE to get that product and the dealers know that.
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you people
You people, eh? Damn racist.
But seriously I don't think it matters how many times people pull scams like Tony76 when you're selling to people who have physical addictions (opiates), 90% of them are gonna FE to get that product and the dealers know that.
buyers should get together and boycott sellers that ask for early finalization. its not so hard to wait a few days for the funds to exit escrow.
you people, pfft.
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the problem is that there is a lot of new members and they feel like they have no choice but to FE. and then there is the junkies who for some reason can't seem to help it. not hating on junkies but it seems to be the case.
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YOU GUYS BUY FROM OPI ALL YOU WANT TOO, SERIOUSLY, GO FOR IT!!!
WHEN he runs his super scammy scam off, don't say ole bootl3gg3r didn't warn ya.
THIS account may have few posts but I am not a n00b around here.
bootl3gg3r
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what about TONY76 ? He scammed a lot of people around here?
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what about TONY76 ? He scammed a lot of people around here?
Used to be no.1 seller on the site, that scammed estimates of $250,000 over the 4/20 sale by asking everyone to FE. People trusted him cause he had been 100% legit up til that point.
Also Noriega, another high ranking seller scammed a fuck load of money. He sent out some of his orders so he could stay in resolution but 90% of people didn't receive anything
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what about TONY76 ? He scammed a lot of people around here?
Used to be no.1 seller on the site, that scammed estimates of $250,000 over the 4/20 sale by asking everyone to FE. People trusted him cause he had been 100% legit up til that point.
Also Noriega, another high ranking seller scammed a fuck load of money. He sent out some of his orders so he could stay in resolution but 90% of people didn't receive anything
sad stories =(
the problem with this anonymity thing is exactly this one. They can get their pockets full scam a hell lot of people and then just come back. It still gets me confuse that if they have so many buyers and quality product why a need to scam?
I'm not a vendor but the way I see itt: Good product + expensive product + a lot of excellent regular customers + good shipping and communication = a lot of money + good karma in this world and happy buyers
what are the main reasons to go over this scam thing?
*lack of product so just scams in order to get the money (burn in hell)
*want to quit but first you scam everybody to get the most out of it (burn in hell)
*doing scams as a cycle in order to increase profit (burn in hell)
without scams this could turn into huge market... oppps.. it's already a huge market :)
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I'd just like to jump in here and let you know not to lump all us Canadians together ;)
As for OPI, I would recommend avoiding. Red Flags abound.
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I'd just like to jump in here and let you know not to lump all us Canadians together ;)
As for OPI, I would recommend avoiding. Red Flags abound.
I agree with you anarcho47, people tend to generalize a lot. They are good sellers in Canada too ;)
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yeah this was brought up right away like a wk after tony dipped...i thought it was discounted, wrong end of the country or something//?
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yeah this was brought up right away like a wk after tony dipped...i thought it was discounted, wrong end of the country or something//?
No, just the wrong guy..
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there's some good sellers in canada...its a big country; can't assume that they're all the same. 3Jane has been totally legit so far. Anarcho has been around forever, but it does make me uncomfortable that he requests FE (sorry dude).
there are others. lots of drugs in canada, and some really nice people too. personally, I just wouldn't order from anyone who requests FE or anyone who sells heroin, period. there's some seriously bad ju-ju hovering around that drug and the people who sell it.
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Canada rulz SR
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bottom line, avoid OPI
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I'd just like to jump in here and let you know not to lump all us Canadians together ;)
As for OPI, I would recommend avoiding. Red Flags abound.
Dunno if he's Tony, but have to agree about the red flags. And if there's one thing I've learned about SR, it's to trust my instincts and gut reactions... The only times I've ever gotten reamed were the times I went against them.
Something about him doesn't feel right. Maybe it's nothing more than the recent batch of no shows... But those alone are enough to tread cautiously, partial refund or not.
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I'd just like to jump in here and let you know not to lump all us Canadians together ;)
As for OPI, I would recommend avoiding. Red Flags abound.
Of course not Anarcho. You're one of my favorite (if not my favorite) vendors <3. This nym is just to troll and fuck with people(primarily scammers), I'll mention to you who I am next time I order, you'll get a nice laugh.
BUT, if you start selling the same sheets Tony had and Heroin all of a sudden, then you might be suspect as well ;)
These scammers prey on people by gaining 'trust' and fucking everyone they can. I think it's clear Anarcho isn't a scammer. The day that happens is the day SR will never be on my computer screen again.
bootl3gg3r
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I'd just like to jump in here and let you know not to lump all us Canadians together ;)
As for OPI, I would recommend avoiding. Red Flags abound.
Of course not Anarcho. You're one of my favorite (if not my favorite) vendors <3. This nym is just to troll and fuck with people(primarily scammers), I'll mention to you who I am next time I order, you'll get a nice laugh.
BUT, if you start selling the same sheets Tony had and Heroin all of a sudden, then you might be suspect as well ;)
These scammers prey on people by gaining 'trust' and fucking everyone they can. I think it's clear Anarcho isn't a scammer. The day that happens is the day SR will never be on my computer screen again.
bootl3gg3r
looking forward to finding that out ;)
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I'm curious as to why the OP has come to this conclusion. I get the Smack + FE thing so don't say that but I'm curious as to know if there are any other signs that have been noted.
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I'm curious as to why the OP has come to this conclusion. I get the Smack + FE thing so don't say that but I'm curious as to know if there are any other signs that have been noted.
Same shipping locale.
Same LSD as tony was selling.
ONLY other Canadian seller with 'pebbles' as Tony had.
Sit back, grab some popcorn and WATCH, that's all you have to do, the guy is now requiring FE/signing for a pack or no orders accepted from you!!!!
You don't think this is a bit shady????
Enjoy the show,
bootl3gg3r
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I'm curious as to why the OP has come to this conclusion. I get the Smack + FE thing so don't say that but I'm curious as to know if there are any other signs that have been noted.
Same shipping locale.
Same LSD as tony was selling.
ONLY other Canadian seller with 'pebbles' as Tony had.
Sit back, grab some popcorn and WATCH, that's all you have to do, the guy is now requiring FE/signing for a pack or no orders accepted from you!!!!
You don't think this is a bit shady????
Enjoy the show,
bootl3gg3r
Yeah, it is shady.
But doesn't seem a very smart thing to do if it was Tony..
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it is odd......there are a lot of coincidences.
OPI has started listing big value items again and now the LSD thing.
both from same city, tho a big one, Vancouver, and NO-ONE else has pebbles here in the world....I'd never even heard of those until Tony & OPI.
Tony took time to slate OPI and OPI took little snipes at Tony, seeming to the outsider they didn't like each other....Then Tony went. OPI slowed down vending while dust settled, now is ramping up sales and value of some listed items are up to 150btc requiring FE.
Also, look at his profile page....the feedback...DANGER!!!!
I'm waiting for his peruvian coke listing to pop up!! lol
Sorry if I'm wrong OPI but it doesn't look good man....Tread carefully guys!! I love it that they mainly scam their homeboys in Canada! dark as fuck!!
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He's from Vancouver?
He told me he was from the other side of the country....
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it is odd......there are a lot of coincidences.
OPI has started listing big value items again and now the LSD thing.
both from same city, tho a big one, Vancouver, and NO-ONE else has pebbles here in the world....I'd never even heard of those until Tony & OPI.
Tony took time to slate OPI and OPI took little snipes at Tony, seeming to the outsider they didn't like each other....Then Tony went. OPI slowed down vending while dust settled, now is ramping up sales and value of some listed items are up to 150btc requiring FE.
Also, look at his profile page....the feedback...DANGER!!!!
I'm waiting for his peruvian coke listing to pop up!! lol
Sorry if I'm wrong OPI but it doesn't look good man....Tread carefully guys!! I love it that they mainly scam their homeboys in Canada! dark as fuck!!
Damn .. that about sums it up as well as anyone could.
Tony got away scot-free with about 250K without reprecussion ... there is no reason to believe he wouldnt come back and do it all again with accounts he already had in place before the 4/20 scam.
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He's from Vancouver?
He told me he was from the other side of the country....
I'm from the UK so Ive never bought off them but people have said they are both from Vancouver.....I've just been scopin him out due to the rumours....
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it is odd......there are a lot of coincidences.
OPI has started listing big value items again and now the LSD thing.
both from same city, tho a big one, Vancouver, and NO-ONE else has pebbles here in the world....I'd never even heard of those until Tony & OPI.
Tony took time to slate OPI and OPI took little snipes at Tony, seeming to the outsider they didn't like each other....Then Tony went. OPI slowed down vending while dust settled, now is ramping up sales and value of some listed items are up to 150btc requiring FE.
Also, look at his profile page....the feedback...DANGER!!!!
I'm waiting for his peruvian coke listing to pop up!! lol
Sorry if I'm wrong OPI but it doesn't look good man....Tread carefully guys!! I love it that they mainly scam their homeboys in Canada! dark as fuck!!
Welcome sir. The IQ has just risen in this discussion quite a bit.
Thanks for that, quite tired of hearing all the noise from the devoted followers, most of which likely got scammed by Tony anyway ROFL.
bootl3gg3r
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Lol at the reviews:
rating feedback freshness item
1 of 5 No receipt of this letter, no Customs letter; assuming the address is now under investigation and having that person move residences. 1 day item
5 of 5 Finalized early.. Happy to finally give OPI a try! 2 days item
4 of 5 order never came and no customs letter was received. accepted 50% resolution 3 days item
5 of 5 Never received, got a 50% refund. 3 days item
5 of 5 never arrived - 50% refund 4 days item
5 of 5 Never arrive, 50% refund given 4 days item
5 of 5 Never showed, got a 50% refund. Sucks but what can you do. At least the coins went up so it was more like 60%. 9 days item
Who are these guys giving him a 5 for taking 50% of their money??
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I'm curious as to why the OP has come to this conclusion. I get the Smack + FE thing so don't say that but I'm curious as to know if there are any other signs that have been noted.
Same shipping locale.
Same LSD as tony was selling.
ONLY other Canadian seller with 'pebbles' as Tony had.
Sit back, grab some popcorn and WATCH, that's all you have to do, the guy is now requiring FE/signing for a pack or no orders accepted from you!!!!
You don't think this is a bit shady????
Enjoy the show,
bootl3gg3r
Yes potentially. We will just have to see how it plays out I guess.
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I do love my H, but I stopped buying it here because all of the H vendors (except tomorrowman, I've had good luck with him) seem like shady motherfuckers. Can't keep products in stock, weird crazy ass excuses on their profile pages, strange propensity for using ALL CAPS, etc...
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gee, i never would have guessed that heroin dealers are often shady motherfuckers....
:P
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gee, i never would have guessed that heroin dealers are often shady motherfuckers....
:P
"Oh no he diiiiiii-eeeent"
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I have to say, that feedback looks incriminating to say the least
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i guess a man could make a decent living off 50% of nothing...
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gee, i never would have guessed that heroin dealers are often shady motherfuckers....
:P
*shrug* basically everybody involved in the distribution of lsd is either a heroin distributor or heroin addict
That's a bit of a gross generalisation isn't it lol?
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i strongly recommend never buying LSD from someone who sells hard drugs like heroin or cocaine. thats a reeeaaallll bad sign.
only buy acid from psychedelic cult brotherhood weirdos. or people who sell rave drugs.
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Hey, I'm not sure why nobody's noticed but OPI not only sells the same product such as pebbles but, he has almost word for word the same description of them as Tony76 had for his. OPI even warns any new heroine users against ordering in pretty much the exact same way as how it was stated in Tony76's description of the pebbles.
I don't even use heroin but just happened to read both listings, Tony's when it was up and just recently saw OPI's.
I would have been skeptical or not care but that is just too much of a red flag.
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TONY is a GOOF... Yeah Jail term GOOF..... Thieving piece of crap..........
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I refuse to order from Canadian vendors due to the whole Tony fiasco. I'm almost positive Tony plans to pop on here again under a new name and scam everyone again, if he isn't already trying to do so. Sorry to all REAL Canadian vendors who are actually doing a legit job. It's just my feelings on it all.
I think that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard... 1) this is an illegal market 2) if you FE you accept the risk... what's so hard about that
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Why does everybody keep acting like "Tony" was just some guy. If i were ceo of "Tony" having walked away with basically money from almost everybody here and could get back in line and start "Fred" and sell the same shit with no repercussions ........sign me up. Is it Tony's" fault that you GAVE him money before even seeing your drugs? Would you do it on the street? If you have then you prolly watched your money disappear around the corner and end up getting stuck in some strippers garter belt. I have no doubt whoever was involved in all that is back. Still makin money and laughing. Thats the world of drugs. Learn from your lesson and move on...........DON'T FE EVER!!!! Drug addicts want their drugs and push caution to the wind and that will NEVER change. Dangle 1g of gear and we start running even grand canyon is beneath us. "Maybe I can jump over".............Splat
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Are you an idiot?
I have on a few occasions given my money to someone to go grab me dope... You trust people and want something they can get or have.
But I am getting to old to deal with morons in person....
A would say a good majority of the people buying on SR Finalize early. Because vendors require it.. I have learned my lesson i will never finalize early unless its something very small and I could care less.
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Are you an idiot?
I have on a few occasions given my money to someone to go grab me dope... You trust people and want something they can get or have.
But I am getting to old to deal with morons in person....
A would say a good majority of the people buying on SR Finalize early. Because vendors require it.. I have learned my lesson i will never finalize early unless its something very small and I could care less.
They may do but only decent vendors ask for it unless it's someone with 0-5 TX history or if they are buying quantity. That's my policy, anyone that decides to FE anyway (which some of my regulars do) is a nice show of trust but it's certainly not required.
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The best vendors do not require FE for people with good stats "low refund% no auto finalize" Which is exactly what I have... Under 1% refund and no auto finalize...... Something is wrong when a vendor refuses to deal with the escrow system....
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Are you an idiot?
I have on a few occasions given my money to someone to go grab me dope... You trust people and want something they can get or have.
But I am getting to old to deal with morons in person....
A would say a good majority of the people buying on SR Finalize early. Because vendors require it.. I have learned my lesson i will never finalize early unless its something very small and I could care less.
If you are refering to me the answer is YES. I shoot gear whats your excuse.............I trust him cause he knows where to get weed or I don't have the intellect to comprehend what I read. You made my point by saying majority FE because....................no need to finish
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The best vendors do not require FE for people with good stats "low refund% no auto finalize" Which is exactly what I have... Under 1% refund and no auto finalize...... Something is wrong when a vendor refuses to deal with the escrow system....
Yeah regarding the refund rate I judge that on a case-by-case basis. If they have a high one in proportion to their sales and how much they spent then nah. A bit of refund I wouldn't be too bothered about, especially if they had high stats. 1% is minor, whoever wont serve you because of that is stupid IMO.
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FE = dumbest thing you can do on SR
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yes FE is a risky thing to do but if you are new, you have no choice really....unless you find a brand new vendor and they have to sell in escrow, but they can refuse to sell to you, so its one of those catch 22 things. I was buzzing to get my first escrow order but it was only a 25% refund if anything happened anyway as was international, so was not that great a safety belt anyway....
I would be wary of anyone who requires FE off everybody though.
Oh and a lot of vendors are asking it in cases of under 10 transactions now.
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Under 10? Seriously? That's harsh as fuck.
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yeah quite a few like C63 or Dutchaanbod for example....I think that is harsh too as you could of spent quite a bit over say 9 orders.....
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Well stone the crows. Each to their own I guess but that does seem pretty steep IMO.
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Lol at the reviews:
rating feedback freshness item
1 of 5 No receipt of this letter, no Customs letter; assuming the address is now under investigation and having that person move residences. 1 day item
5 of 5 Finalized early.. Happy to finally give OPI a try! 2 days item
4 of 5 order never came and no customs letter was received. accepted 50% resolution 3 days item
5 of 5 Never received, got a 50% refund. 3 days item
5 of 5 never arrived - 50% refund 4 days item
5 of 5 Never arrive, 50% refund given 4 days item
5 of 5 Never showed, got a 50% refund. Sucks but what can you do. At least the coins went up so it was more like 60%. 9 days item
Who are these guys giving him a 5 for taking 50% of their money??
dumb fucks
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Lol at the reviews:
rating feedback freshness item
1 of 5 No receipt of this letter, no Customs letter; assuming the address is now under investigation and having that person move residences. 1 day item
5 of 5 Finalized early.. Happy to finally give OPI a try! 2 days item
4 of 5 order never came and no customs letter was received. accepted 50% resolution 3 days item
5 of 5 Never received, got a 50% refund. 3 days item
5 of 5 never arrived - 50% refund 4 days item
5 of 5 Never arrive, 50% refund given 4 days item
5 of 5 Never showed, got a 50% refund. Sucks but what can you do. At least the coins went up so it was more like 60%. 9 days item
Who are these guys giving him a 5 for taking 50% of their money??
dumb fucks
Yeah don't look good does it.
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is it any wonder that people scam SR buyers, some of them appear dumb as fuck.
if your package did not arrive it was either not sent or it was intercepted, if it was intercepted then that is the buyers responsibility for poor or indiscreet packaging. either way giving 5/5 feedback is as dumb as finalizing early.
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obviously i meant it is the vendors responsibility if a parcel is intercepted due to poor packaging.
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is it any wonder that people scam SR buyers, some of them appear dumb as fuck.
if your package did not arrive it was either not sent or it was intercepted, if it was intercepted then that is the buyers responsibility for poor or indiscreet packaging. either way giving 5/5 feedback is as dumb as finalizing early.
Another option when packages don't arrive (which has been the most common for me) is that the buyer put the wrong address. Which actually happens fairly often. When this happens as a seller you really can't give any sort of refund. I'm in no way saying this is happening with OPI, he should really come here and explain himself. For the good of the community and himself.
Rocker
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why is everyone on opi's ass, what has he done?
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why is everyone on opi's ass, what has he done?
Read ze thread.
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I read and i read and all i can see is that their product is similar and they have the same style of writing. which people claimed about me as well by the way. shit, i just realised something, maybe im opi!!
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I read and i read and all i can see is that their product is similar and they have the same style of writing. which people claimed about me as well by the way. shit, i just realised something, maybe im opi!!
With an anonymous market like SR it's hard to assume who is who ...
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Well with OP's logic... Everyone is tony.... Actually Tony never existed.. All vendors are 1 person........ It's a big game of eenie meenie minie mo...... who get's what if anything at all :P
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Whatever man.,..why do you think Tony or whoever the fuck he is would not be here still?? Who's to stop him??? I know that if I was that much of a cunt, I would know I could do that shit all over again.....And I would, being that he is such a cunt, I'm sure we'll see people burned again if not wising up from previous mistakes.
I'm not exactly sure why you think the OP thinks every vendor is Tony, Andybud420? Where does it say that??
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I was just fucking around dude......
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yes FE is a risky thing to do but if you are new, you have no choice really....unless you find a brand new vendor and they have to sell in escrow, but they can refuse to sell to you, so its one of those catch 22 things. I was buzzing to get my first escrow order but it was only a 25% refund if anything happened anyway as was international, so was not that great a safety belt anyway....
I would be wary of anyone who requires FE off everybody though.
Oh and a lot of vendors are asking it in cases of under 10 transactions now.
So by those guidelines we can come to the conclusion that new buyers until you have 5/10 or whatever transactions don't get to excited cause you might get fucked. That blows and is a horrible system. Running a "business" means sometimes you take a hit to calm the situation and move on. Buyers aren't pulling in cash they lose once or twice and they are busted and SR loses clients period. If a new buyer tries to pull the wool over a established vendor then you can let it be known. If i order some fucking kindle from best buy and it doesn't show up what happens? I have a route of recourse to find out if not then refund or ship my product. SIMPLE "business" practices. I say instead of making new buyer FE just limit them to sample sizes until they show they are serious customer not wanting to dick you around. Everybody says NEVER FE but as you just stated new buyers don't have much choice almost forced to and sellers KNOW IT! They also know that the product is drugs and drug users will do just about anything to get what they need. So of course they gonna be some bitch if they make escrow the only form of purchase(thought it was intention to begin with). Some folks can't afford to order everyday and 5 transactions may take awhile. I'm not buying digital goods just so i can buy other shit. Why not have a pay scale where new buyers pay a certain % more on first 2 orders but get that back after 5 or so. Or something similar. Its flawed but hey thats just my .2btc
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*sigh*
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yes FE is a risky thing to do but if you are new, you have no choice really....unless you find a brand new vendor and they have to sell in escrow, but they can refuse to sell to you, so its one of those catch 22 things. I was buzzing to get my first escrow order but it was only a 25% refund if anything happened anyway as was international, so was not that great a safety belt anyway....
I would be wary of anyone who requires FE off everybody though.
Oh and a lot of vendors are asking it in cases of under 10 transactions now.
Keep in mind you are comparing the purchase of a legal product to something that, if a vendor gets caught selling, lands you in a cage for many, many years. I have no idea how many or my orders have been shipped straight to the hands of LE, but I have to assume that every one could be doing just that. If I'm running a legit, on-the-books online retailer, I can offer tracking, because I don't have to care about going into a post office and filling out paperwork on camera, and we both don't have to worry about any arbitrarily designated, violently-imposed "consequences" if our item doesn't make it...
Most buyer accounts that scam are new. The stats get too mangled after a while. My scam rate has gone from maybe 10% down to 1-2% since I implemented my "5 or less" FE policy. It works. My regulars get full escrow protection, and newbs have to take their punches.
Try being on here a year ago without BTC hedging and 10% daily fluctuations. It was literally a currency war between buyers and sellers and a lot of people got wiped out just by the swings. Today is a cakewalk compared to then.
So by those guidelines we can come to the conclusion that new buyers until you have 5/10 or whatever transactions don't get to excited cause you might get fucked. That blows and is a horrible system. Running a "business" means sometimes you take a hit to calm the situation and move on. Buyers aren't pulling in cash they lose once or twice and they are busted and SR loses clients period. If a new buyer tries to pull the wool over a established vendor then you can let it be known. If i order some fucking kindle from best buy and it doesn't show up what happens? I have a route of recourse to find out if not then refund or ship my product. SIMPLE "business" practices. I say instead of making new buyer FE just limit them to sample sizes until they show they are serious customer not wanting to dick you around. Everybody says NEVER FE but as you just stated new buyers don't have much choice almost forced to and sellers KNOW IT! They also know that the product is drugs and drug users will do just about anything to get what they need. So of course they gonna be some bitch if they make escrow the only form of purchase(thought it was intention to begin with). Some folks can't afford to order everyday and 5 transactions may take awhile. I'm not buying digital goods just so i can buy other shit. Why not have a pay scale where new buyers pay a certain % more on first 2 orders but get that back after 5 or so. Or something similar. Its flawed but hey thats just my .2btc
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yes FE is a risky thing to do but if you are new, you have no choice really....unless you find a brand new vendor and they have to sell in escrow, but they can refuse to sell to you, so its one of those catch 22 things. I was buzzing to get my first escrow order but it was only a 25% refund if anything happened anyway as was international, so was not that great a safety belt anyway....
I would be wary of anyone who requires FE off everybody though.
Oh and a lot of vendors are asking it in cases of under 10 transactions now.
Keep in mind you are comparing the purchase of a legal product to something that, if a vendor gets caught selling, lands you in a cage for many, many years. I have no idea how many or my orders have been shipped straight to the hands of LE, but I have to assume that every one could be doing just that. If I'm running a legit, on-the-books online retailer, I can offer tracking, because I don't have to care about going into a post office and filling out paperwork on camera, and we both don't have to worry about any arbitrarily designated, violently-imposed "consequences" if our item doesn't make it...
Most buyer accounts that scam are new. The stats get too mangled after a while. My scam rate has gone from maybe 10% down to 1-2% since I implemented my "5 or less" FE policy. It works. My regulars get full escrow protection, and newbs have to take their punches.
Try being on here a year ago without BTC hedging and 10% daily fluctuations. It was literally a currency war between buyers and sellers and a lot of people got wiped out just by the swings. Today is a cakewalk compared to then.
So by those guidelines we can come to the conclusion that new buyers until you have 5/10 or whatever transactions don't get to excited cause you might get fucked. That blows and is a horrible system. Running a "business" means sometimes you take a hit to calm the situation and move on. Buyers aren't pulling in cash they lose once or twice and they are busted and SR loses clients period. If a new buyer tries to pull the wool over a established vendor then you can let it be known. If i order some fucking kindle from best buy and it doesn't show up what happens? I have a route of recourse to find out if not then refund or ship my product. SIMPLE "business" practices. I say instead of making new buyer FE just limit them to sample sizes until they show they are serious customer not wanting to dick you around. Everybody says NEVER FE but as you just stated new buyers don't have much choice almost forced to and sellers KNOW IT! They also know that the product is drugs and drug users will do just about anything to get what they need. So of course they gonna be some bitch if they make escrow the only form of purchase(thought it was intention to begin with). Some folks can't afford to order everyday and 5 transactions may take awhile. I'm not buying digital goods just so i can buy other shit. Why not have a pay scale where new buyers pay a certain % more on first 2 orders but get that back after 5 or so. Or something similar. Its flawed but hey thats just my .2btc
Yeah what Anarcho said. Really, it is actually very hard to get scammed on SR if you can be bothered to research your vendors properly. I do think that a minimum of 10 buys is quite steep but if you are selling bulk like say SKYY does or something like that I can understand it. I personally have a 5+ policy but for larger amounts I'll ask for FE. Like Anarcho said having this policy does make a fuck of a lot of difference to us because if we do get someone trying to rip us off it's not like we can wander into court and get you done for fraud then sue you for trying to mug us off. That shit don't fly when ya shottin magic powders I'm afraid, in fact if we did we'd get clapped in irons as soon as the the judge read the papers. So when the ordinary doesn't work what do you do? Well we can't catch a flight to the X-destination to go collect by pointing a strap at your head (and believe me if I had the time and money to go and shoot scammers in the knees I would) so we make policies that limit the risk of people trying to mug us off. I'm not fucking tolerating up to 10% of my orders going tits-vertical. That's a chunk of fucking change OUT of my back-burner that's rightful place is IN my back-burner.
I don't think you should have a right to bitch when you can quite easily find vendors you can be almost certain wont scam you, I have only ever had one transaction be a fuck up but that was because the vendor never sent it and just disappeared, not through an attempted scam. Just do your homework and you wont get fucked. Also the SR ratings system and resolution center works in the favor of the buyers anyway, what more do you want?
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A lot of vendors change once they have good stats.... They start out good with great communication and that changes awfully fast. ( not always )
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A lot of vendors change once they have good stats.... They start out good with great communication and that changes awfully fast. ( not always )
I suspect a few things are going on. One is that as they get good stats they start getting a lot more business and as a result spend a lot more time dealing with things like packing, shipping, resupplying, etc. That means they have less time to communicate with buyers. This can be annoying but if they are still getting the product out efficiently that shouldn't be any big deal. But sometimes things start falling apart as the seller finds himself unable to cope with the volume. Another, sadly, is that some vendors wind up getting high on their own supply and melting down. When you suddenly have access to essentially unlimited quantities of your drug of choice, it's easy to wind up binging and before you know it you've just injected last week's orders.
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I think that's what FannyHill Did... Used all his/her product.... instead of sending it out.... w007 promised me express shipping delivered two weeks ago this coming Wednesday. Has not said a word to me since item went to "In Transit" Domestic mail only takes 5 days max.
Had no problem communicating when he wanted my money.... once I placed the order all PM's ignored. Lucky I refused to FE..
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I think that's what FannyHill Did... Used all his/her product.... instead of sending it out.... w007 promised me express shipping delivered two weeks ago this coming Wednesday. Has not said a word to me since item went to "In Transit" Domestic mail only takes 5 days max.
Had no problem communicating when he wanted my money.... once I placed the order all PM's ignored. Lucky I refused to FE..
That's another Canadian H vendor (EDIT: FannyHill) that started good, then went bad. Sorry to say, but it's beginning to look like a trend.
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Sucks... waiting on my refund so I can place another order.... Fucks my stats.... It's one thing when the order is shipped and on a rare occasion get's lost..... But when 2 out of my last 3 coke orders have been fucked up due to the vendors incompetency
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cant the sr administrators fix the problem with these vendors? they drive buyers away and create a bad environment.