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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: TrustusJones on June 12, 2012, 12:10 pm
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Came across this this morning, it is mostly a pedo bear story but it shows the feebs have their hands tied:
link: http://gawker.com/5916994/dark-net-kiddie-porn-website-stymies-fbi-investigation (click at your own risk!)
So he was probably horrified to find the kiddie porn hive on TSChan and went to the feds with the URL in hand. But if he expected them to leap into their black vans and speed off to bust some pedophiles, he was mistaken.
From the report:
"Complaintant had no other information about who the subjects of the pictures were or who would have posted the pictures. Also, because everyone (all internet traffic) connected to the TOR Network is anonymous, there is not currently a way to trace the origin of the website. As such no other investigative leads exist."
On August 2nd, 2011, the interviewing agent recommended the case be closed without further investigation, according to the documents.
This isn't to say that people on the dark net are completely impervious. Some vigilante Anonymous hackers exposed the IP addresses of visitors to a dark net child porn site with an elaborate sting last year. And through careful infiltration, authorities were able to take down a dark net drug market not unlike the Silk Road called the Farmer's Market, in April. TSChan is also no more, apparently chased off the dark net by hackers, according to a note on the Hidden Wiki—it's been moved to a graveyard for "defunct" underage porn websites on the Hidden Wiki.
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Came across this this morning, it is mostly a pedo bear story but it shows the feebs have their hands tied:
link: http://gawker.com/5916994/dark-net-kiddie-porn-website-stymies-fbi-investigation (click at your own risk!)
So he was probably horrified to find the kiddie porn hive on TSChan and went to the feds with the URL in hand. But if he expected them to leap into their black vans and speed off to bust some pedophiles, he was mistaken.
From the report:
"Complaintant had no other information about who the subjects of the pictures were or who would have posted the pictures. Also, because everyone (all internet traffic) connected to the TOR Network is anonymous, there is not currently a way to trace the origin of the website. As such no other investigative leads exist."
On August 2nd, 2011, the interviewing agent recommended the case be closed without further investigation, according to the documents.
This isn't to say that people on the dark net are completely impervious. Some vigilante Anonymous hackers exposed the IP addresses of visitors to a dark net child porn site with an elaborate sting last year. And through careful infiltration, authorities were able to take down a dark net drug market not unlike the Silk Road called the Farmer's Market, in April. TSChan is also no more, apparently chased off the dark net by hackers, according to a note on the Hidden Wiki—it's been moved to a graveyard for "defunct" underage porn websites on the Hidden Wiki.
All they can do is set up stings, where by they direct you to a website which is loaded with a java driveby or something similar, which you then click to run (like a video or animation) and will reveal your source IP.
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And in the case of Farmer's Market, the neanderthals were using things like paypal and western union to pay for things. More stupid, it can't possibly get.
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Slightly comforting in a dark way.
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Perfect story to celebrate my new load of bitcoin arriving!
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Gawker is a piece of shit website
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Slightly comforting in a dark way.
lol this was funny.
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good to know...with a grain of salt
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Damn good news then............................Praise Odin!
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ya we know we are relatively safe. So are the sick pedos that look at hardcore child porn...
kinda shitty that Tor harbors things that are harmful to society as well as harm-reducing sites like silk road.
its a double edged sword i guess
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"The guy didn't want to see child porn. He'd just been trying to visit Silk Road, the dark net drug market..."
So let me get this straight. The guy marches into the FBI offices, with CP url in hand and tells them that he was "just" trying to get to SR. Fucking genius.
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And in the case of Farmer's Market, the neanderthals were using things like paypal and western union to pay for things. More stupid, it can't possibly get.
^^^^^^^^This... What dumbass provides an ID for funds for illicit activity? And paypal? Are you fucking joking? You must have been dropped on your head to think thats a good idea.
Thats why TFM failed. Common sense wasn't nearly as common as it should be.
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ya we know we are relatively safe. So are the sick pedos that look at hardcore child porn...
kinda shitty that Tor harbors things that are harmful to society as well as harm-reducing sites like silk road.
its a double edged sword i guess
Do you have any proof that child porn being accessible is bad for society? I haven't found any yet.
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ya we know we are relatively safe. So are the sick pedos that look at hardcore child porn...
kinda shitty that Tor harbors things that are harmful to society as well as harm-reducing sites like silk road.
its a double edged sword i guess
Do you have any proof that child porn being accessible is bad for society? I haven't found any yet.
Do you really think that is the case?
I like reading ya posts mate as you always have something good to say but I can't say I agree with ya on this at all. Do you really see this from that perspective?
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Do you have any proof that child porn being accessible is bad for society? I haven't found any yet.
How about it being bad for the children that are being abused? Aren't they counted as part of society?
While I'm glad a place like SR exists-there is a choice involved by each and every once of us in taking on the risk of selling/buying and utilizing whatever we purchase. The kids aren't being offered a choice, and even if they were, are not of an age to provide informed consent.
Isn't there enough regular and kinky porn out there performed by legal consenting adults to keep everyone occupied?
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Do you have any proof that child porn being accessible is bad for society? I haven't found any yet.
How about it being bad for the children that are being abused? Aren't they counted as part of society?
While I'm glad a place like SR exists-there is a choice involved by each and every once of us in taking on the risk of selling/buying and utilizing whatever we purchase. The kids aren't being offered a choice, and even if they were, are not of an age to provide informed consent.
Isn't there enough regular and kinky porn out there performed by legal consenting adults to keep everyone occupied?
YES!!! Child pornography/abuse is NOT a "victimless crime." Victims of even consensual (as if a minor is capable of giving consent) abuse damages the victim for life.
The ability of an adult to make a choice is what differentiates that pedo crap from what is occurring on SR.
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glad to see limm is on the light side here. Ya, while you often provide great insight km, youre a little off base on that one. I don't need irrefutable scientific research to prove cp is harmful to a society just common sense and then logic to confirm why cp is damaging to communities. on a another note, Km, do you really reject Keynesian economic theory??
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glad to see limm is on the light side here. Ya, while you often provide great insight km, youre a little off base on that one. I don't need irrefutable scientific research to prove cp is harmful to a society just common sense and then logic to confirm why cp is damaging to communities. on a another note, Km, do you really reject Keynesian economic theory??
I am (as you may or may not have noticed) mostly very liberal on everything illegal but sex crimes are something I take very seriously and I don't even joke child molesters. As far as I'm concerned the only thing to be done is to put a gun to the back of their heads and drop the hammer.
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glad to see limm is on the light side here. Ya, while you often provide great insight km, youre a little off base on that one. I don't need irrefutable scientific research to prove cp is harmful to a society just common sense and then logic to confirm why cp is damaging to communities. on a another note, Km, do you really reject Keynesian economic theory??
I am (as you may or may not have noticed) mostly very liberal on everything illegal but sex crimes are something I take very seriously and I don't even joke child molesters. As far as I'm concerned the only thing to be done is to put a gun to the back of their heads and drop the hammer.
Too right Limietless. Noone should be able to steal a chids innocence, the child never ever gets that back again. You're taking a child's life, and you deserve to pay with life.
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=24623.30 Yeah, another thing was this bullshit thread as well, I blasted the twat before I locked it
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=24623.30 Yeah, another thing was this bullshit thread as well, I blasted the twat before I locked it
Well done, we don't even really want mention of this in our forums anyway, it's toxic.
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=24623.30 Yeah, another thing was this bullshit thread as well, I blasted the twat before I locked it
Well done, we don't even really want mention of this in our forums anyway, it's toxic.
Yeah, this is one of the reasons I was well chuffed about being offered Mod to be honest. When I was wandering around I kept seeing shit like this floating around and it used to vex me to fuuuck. Not in any way saying the other Mods didn't do anything, of course they did, I just mean I wanted to join in and help mop up too. I dunno how people expect the outside world to take SR seriously when they talk about stuff like that, it casts a shadow on the place. The irony of it is that the people that do it call it out for being restrictive...but then they will moan when this place goes away because of it.
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ya we know we are relatively safe. So are the sick pedos that look at hardcore child porn...
kinda shitty that Tor harbors things that are harmful to society as well as harm-reducing sites like silk road.
its a double edged sword i guess
Do you have any proof that child porn being accessible is bad for society? I haven't found any yet.
Do you really think that is the case?
I like reading ya posts mate as you always have something good to say but I can't say I agree with ya on this at all. Do you really see this from that perspective?
I think that although it is very unfortunate that children are sexually abused, that child porn being accessible online is not a problem that is anywhere near as bad as the majority of people seem to think it to be. I think that someone privately accessing a sequence of ones and zeros is causing absolutely no harm to any children in doing so, in fact even the children in the pictures are entirely incapable of knowing that someone is viewing the pictures. I think that the 'war against child pornography' is largely irrational, and that the people fighting it are generally either letting their emotions or their greed (finding people who download CP is a multi billion dollar a year industry, far more money is at stake than the entire economic value of all commercial CP) think for them. I know that a great deal of information about child pornography is not true and is quite frankly government and special interest propaganda, (http://libertus.net/censor/resources/statistics-laundering.html presents a short summary of this), and I think people who make up lies generally have little truth on which to stand.
I think that CP being illegal has certainly led to child molesters being arrested who would otherwise not have been arrested as quickly. It has probably also led to would be child molesters being arrested before they progressed to actual molestation. I think it has also led to the arrests of a great many people who would never have molested children, and who I do not see as bad people at all. What is bad about data transfer, who am I to judge people for their fantasies instead of their actions? And I am personally against sacrificing this later group of people in the pursuit of attacking the former group. Information, like people, should be free :).
I think it is pretty well proven that viewing child pornography will lead some people to molest and will lead others who would molest to 'settle' for CP, and will have no effect on the majority of people in this regard. There is a huge distinction between production and consumption. The idea that consumption fuels production is highly flawed, especially in modern times when commercial child pornography is essentially extinct.
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I think that although it is very unfortunate that children are sexually abused, that child porn being accessible online is not a problem that is anywhere near as bad as the majority of people seem to think it to be. I think that someone privately accessing a sequence of ones and zeros is causing absolutely no harm to any children in doing so, in fact even the children in the pictures are entirely incapable of knowing that someone was viewing the pictures. I think that the 'war against child pornography' is largely irrational, and that the people fighting it are generally either letting their emotions or their greed (finding people who download CP is a multi billion dollar a year industry, far more money is at stake than the entire economic value of all commercial CP) think for them. I know that a great deal of information about child pornography is not true and is quite frankly government and special interest propaganda, (http://libertus.net/censor/resources/statistics-laundering.html presents a short summary of this), and I think people who make up lies generally have little truth on which to stand.
I think that CP being illegal has certainly led to child molesters being arrested who would otherwise not have been arrested as quickly. It has probably also led to would be child molesters being arrested before they progressed to actual molestation. I think it has also led to the arrests of a great many people who would never have molested children, and who I do not see as bad people at all. What is bad about data transfer, who am I to judge people for their fantasies instead of their actions? And I am personally against sacrificing this later group of people in the pursuit of attacking the former group. Information, like people, should be free :).
why are you defending pedophiles. they have a mental disorder and should seek treatment BEFORE they seriously harm a child
i'm not talking about 14-17 year olds. there is some SICK fucking CP out there... it pops up on /b/ every now and again. that shit will fuck a human up for life
viewing cp only makes more people MAKE more cp. why can't more pedos make digital porn?
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kmf I am sorry but I think you are totally wrong. Consumption only encourages production and that ruins lives.
I'm quite taken aback you feel that way tbh. Not sure what to make of it.
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I think that although it is very unfortunate that children are sexually abused, that child porn being accessible online is not a problem that is anywhere near as bad as the majority of people seem to think it to be. I think that someone privately accessing a sequence of ones and zeros is causing absolutely no harm to any children in doing so, in fact even the children in the pictures are entirely incapable of knowing that someone was viewing the pictures. I think that the 'war against child pornography' is largely irrational, and that the people fighting it are generally either letting their emotions or their greed (finding people who download CP is a multi billion dollar a year industry, far more money is at stake than the entire economic value of all commercial CP) think for them. I know that a great deal of information about child pornography is not true and is quite frankly government and special interest propaganda, (http://libertus.net/censor/resources/statistics-laundering.html presents a short summary of this), and I think people who make up lies generally have little truth on which to stand.
I think that CP being illegal has certainly led to child molesters being arrested who would otherwise not have been arrested as quickly. It has probably also led to would be child molesters being arrested before they progressed to actual molestation. I think it has also led to the arrests of a great many people who would never have molested children, and who I do not see as bad people at all. What is bad about data transfer, who am I to judge people for their fantasies instead of their actions? And I am personally against sacrificing this later group of people in the pursuit of attacking the former group. Information, like people, should be free :).
why are you defending pedophiles. they have a mental disorder and should seek treatment BEFORE they seriously harm a child
i'm not talking about 14-17 year olds. there is some SICK fucking CP out there... it pops up on /b/ every now and again. that shit will fuck a human up for life
viewing cp only makes more people MAKE more cp. why can't more pedos make digital porn?
It is as impossible to treat pedophilia as it is to treat homosexuality or heterosexuality. People are largely incapable of influencing their own sexual preferences. Pedophiles are entirely capable of not molesting children though. So if they cause no harm what is the point of demonizing and persecuting them? It is some primitive biological response wired into most humans brains I think, because it is certainly not at all rational to want to cause great damage to people who are entirely harmless. Child molesters deserve to be demonized and persecuted greatly, they have a choice and they choose to cause harm to others. Pedophiles are born pedophiles, and if they don't harm others I don't have anything against them. It is very bad to produce child pornography obviously, but I am entirely unconvinced that viewing it is bad, and I don't blame them for looking at things they find sexually arousing especially since I see it as causing no harm. There is no inherent cause and effect relationship between the act of people viewing child porn and increased rates of production. There are some distribution structures that lead to increased rates of production though. People who argue to keep these structures illegal have a bit more ground to stand on, although from a strict libertarian point of view even paying for child pornography or uploading child pornography should not be illegal, only production.
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To clarify I don't argue that they can be treated, sexuality is by and large a fixed part of your personality. I just feel the only solution is death or complete isolation.
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Why are you surprised, I am quite openly Anarchistic in my ideology and even Libertarians (Anarchist lites) think child pornography should be legal to possess, receive, pay for and upload, only not to produce.
There is not an inherent cause and effect relationship between child pornography consumption and increased production rates. Do you really think the only reason people molest children is because they think others will look at the pictures they take of the molestation? That seems absolutely insane to me.
To clarify I don't argue that they can be treated, sexuality is by and large a fixed part of your personality. I just feel the only solution is death or complete isolation.
So you think people should be killed or completely isolated because they have the potential to do something bad? I bet a higher percentage of criminals use drugs than the general public, do you think that drug users should all be killed or isolated because they have the potential to do something bad, and are statistically more likely to do something bad than average? That sounds like precrime to me, pre-thought-crime in some cases (as CP possession crimes are essentially thought crimes)! What a scary concept! The concept of people taking pre-thought-crime seriously is far more scary to me than the idea of someone who has no plans to molest children anonymously looking at pictures on Tor.
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homo and hetero sexualities differ from pedophilia and bestiality because the relationship is between consensual adults rather than RAPE. Pedophiles do not, however, deserve death because they suffer from a grave mental disorder. Instead, alternative approaches should be researched. Mandatory chemical castration, for example, appears to be a plausible albeit not perfect option for child molesters if they would like to reintegrate into society. And that is drawing a distinction between responsible pedophiles who manage the hand they were dealt and child molesters. Pedophiles do not deserve any punishment; rather society owes them aid. The private sector is not pursuing research for improved solutions to handle child molesters. That is one reason that government spending is necessary. It would directly created jobs while combating child molestation.
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I see where kmfkewm is coming from,
CP is an unfortunate example to use however
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Yeah I realise that my stance is cold but personally when crimes are committed against adults and in particular sex crimes they do have more of an ability to deal with it and move on. Children are by and large defenseless and you have then shaped their whole life for the worst. For me that is just an unforgivable act and IMO those that benefit from it (consumers of CP) are just as to blame because I see it as one feeding of the other.
I wouldn't really see killing someone like that in the same way normal murder. When you do something that predatory and that traumatic someone I think it dehumanises you and all you have left is an uncontrollable animal that acts on it's base urges. What would you do with a rabid dog? Shoot it in the head. Same principle. Takes care of the problem permanently.
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homo and hetero sexualities differ from pedophilia and bestiality because the relationship is between consensual adults rather than RAPE. Pedophiles do not, however, deserve death because they suffer from a grave mental disorder. Instead, alternative approaches should be researched. Mandatory chemical castration, for example, appears to be a plausible albeit not perfect option for child molesters if they would like to reintegrate into society. And that is drawing a distinction between responsible pedophiles who manage the hand they were dealt and child molesters. Pedophiles do not deserve any punishment; rather society owes them aid. The private sector is not pursuing research for improved solutions to handle child molesters. That is one reason that government spending is necessary. It would directly created jobs while combating child molestation.
A. Pedophiles who don't abuse children have not RAPED anyone
B. If sticking a knife in a cow isn't murder then sticking your dick in a cows ass isn't rape
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Yeah I realise that my stance is cold but personally when crimes are committed against adults and in particular sex crimes they do have more of an ability to deal with it and move on. Children are by and large defenseless and you have then shaped their whole life for the worst. For me that is just an unforgivable act and IMO those that benefit from it (consumers of CP) are just as to blame because I see it as one feeding of the other.
I wouldn't really see killing someone like that in the same way normal murder. When you do something that predatory and that traumatic someone I think it dehumanises you and all you have left is an uncontrollable animal that acts on it's base urges. What would you do with a rabid dog? Shoot it in the head. Same principle. Takes care of the problem permanently.
You incorrectly see it as one feeding off of the other. You think viewing CP turns people into predatory rabid animals? Shit, we should put all of /b/ down.
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Pedophiles are entirely capable of not molesting children though. So if they cause no harm what is the point of demonizing and persecuting them? It is some primitive biological response wired into most humans brains I think, because it is certainly not at all rational to want to cause great damage to people who are entirely harmless. Child molesters deserve to be demonized and persecuted greatly, they have a choice and they choose to cause harm to others.
Yes, it's a strong biological response, probably close to a visceral one; "three people die trying to save trapped child" is not a surprising headline. It also allows people to form a strong group identification of being moral/'good' in situations in which they might otherwise be perceived as immoral/'bad' and that's probably a pressure as well. Note that you don't see anyone calling for this degree of protection for the mentally retarded, the profoundly/actively psychotic, and demented elders - yet, good news, everyone! {<--sarcasm} there are small specialty pornography niches for each. And yet NO one is calling for protection there. In fact, no one's even brought those groups up, it's all Simpsons-style 'think of the children.' Possibly because everyone here has former childhood experience on his or her resume and may be involved in the rearing of children, but more, I bet, because of the biological drive to protect kids.
Your argument's completely rational, particularly the choice aspect. However, it's not easy for some people, for personal or social reasons, to differentiate between those who *view* sexualized images of children and those who *rape* children or who have sexualized/exploiting relationships with children. In addition, the evil inherent in creating those images taints those who view the created images, even if they truly weren't involved in the creation. In the situation of a true CGI, I suspect you'd get largely the same response and many people would still say "shoot the bastard," although theRedArmy gets it when s/he says 'why not more digi-porn.' (It's weird, you don't see the animal rights people screaming about hentai, but, then, I guess there aren't a lot of cephalod molestations...) Most people I talk with don't seem to be that aware of their own relationship with their own internal sexual lives and the relationship between fantasy and reality and/or their own pornography use and reality. On the other hand, most people scream loudly when there's discussion of taking away their video games and say that [whatever game] hasn't made them more prone to [stealing cars, shooting people, engaging in interstellar warfare / guild raids, dressing in armor in their off hours], and so maybe there's a way that people can start to internalize these ideas.
Your links are good, your data's valid, and your facts are going to remain unpopular. CP viewers/consumers/whatever the term is are the current cultural'Nazis'/bad guys/avatars of evil. (This is NOT a Godwin's Law post, do not throw tomatoes at me for that, there are lots of other things that you can kick me for, people.) As souledout writes, it's an unfortunate example to use - but it's probably the right example to use.
Sigh, new reply posted, ok:
When you compare sex offenders to rabid dogs, you absolve them of much of the responsibility for their acts.
With very, very few exceptions, people own their behaviors and choices. (Er, rabies would be one of those exceptions.)
Starting to kill people for secondary crimes, or crimes which promote other crimes, is certainly an interesting path down which we could start.
I'll leave it at: I think that justice in the case of rape, whether it's pediatric or adult, is necessary, but I don't regard perping pedophiles as 'rabid dogs' any more than I'll regard any other sex offender as being 'out of control.' "I was all overcome and I just couldn't help myself." Yeah, the fuck you couldn't, pal. (There's an astronomically rare legitimate NGRI defense for a sexual assault but it's, like, every fifth blue moon.)
Doing something evil does not dehumanize anyone - quite the opposite. It is just part of the spectrum of human, which absolutely includes acts of evil. Humans have the capacity for evil. Dogs are just dogs.
Complicated little animals, humans.
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Yeah I realise that my stance is cold but personally when crimes are committed against adults and in particular sex crimes they do have more of an ability to deal with it and move on. Children are by and large defenseless and you have then shaped their whole life for the worst. For me that is just an unforgivable act and IMO those that benefit from it (consumers of CP) are just as to blame because I see it as one feeding of the other.
I wouldn't really see killing someone like that in the same way normal murder. When you do something that predatory and that traumatic someone I think it dehumanises you and all you have left is an uncontrollable animal that acts on it's base urges. What would you do with a rabid dog? Shoot it in the head. Same principle. Takes care of the problem permanently.
You incorrectly see it as one feeding off of the other. You think viewing CP turns people into predatory rabid animals? Shit, we should put all of /b/ down.
I think it's far from incorrect. Most humans naturally seek to act out their fantasies (sexual/non-sexual/whatever) because it can give you all sorts of good feelings. It's a natural starting point. If you look at something that you find titillating in any way but particularly sexually long enough you are going to get the urge to experience the reality. That's why as soon as you make that first step, you are done in my eyes. The transition has been made and you are one of them. You may see things differently but it's just something I don't budge on and don't entertain a liberal attitude on. Would be boring if everyone was the same. I also know it wouldn't phase me to do it either, it's just one of those few things that makes me clear any human emotion for someone.
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Er. Last few times I read, and by that I do mean the last few dozen times I read, viewing pornography was not associated with an increase in sexual crimes (not counting the possession of pornography.)
Opposite, actually, in some rather well-done studies (CZ, JP, SE).
It may certainly change the way people view their sexual partners, it may change a lot of things about social interaction, these are all big discussions, but the use of pornography is not associated with contact offenses.
You need cites? Tell me you need citations. Really. I will be happy to post or PM, although I'm off here in about 10 minutes so it'll have to be now or about 12 hours.
Lest there be any urge for ad hominem attack here: I am very strongly opposed (this is an understatement) to the sexual assault of anyone. This is kind of a funny understatement for anyone who knows me.
I am also very opposed to the prosecution of people who aren't actually engaged in the direct harm of others, whether they're using drugs or looking at pictures or engaged in consensual kink or writing banned books.
I am also real keen on the First Amendment.
I have some esoteric interest in human sexual behavior, for assorted reasons beyond the usual.
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As I say I'm not really fussed about the studies or whatever it's just what I believe and my principles on it.
I'm not really sure why there is a need to try and change my mind as I'm not trying to change yours. Everyone has their own opinion and such we agree to disagree. :)
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Hmm.
Not trying to change your mind about your personal revulsion to sexual crimes; that's your reaction, and it needs no justification whatsoever. Can agree to disagree on that one - well, actually, we are in agreement on the basic aversion! although we might disagree on how to respond.
I am addressing your *belief* in how "most humans" respond to pornography in the longer-term, however, which is inaccurate, with a *description* of how large groups of humans have been observed to respond in the longer-term. I'm addressing that because, down the road, it may impact your thinking on the issue - or it may not, that is up to you; however, you seem to have the same common belief that many people do. You can't make rational decisions on this topic if you're operating on crap data. (I am not one to operate on faith or belief or "everyone knows.") It's hard enough already, because it is an emotionally laden topic that is overwhelming, and so the more objective data the better, I think.
It's like saying that all people who use cathinones will become face-eaters or goatrapers, and therefore all the substituted cathinone users on here should be taken into re-education facilities and fitted with dental appliances and chastity belts. Basic assumption is flawed, but it is certainly widespread in the past few weeks.
That's all. Information is important for functioning.
Cheers, have a pleasant day.
--thyme
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Actually I can do as I please. Look man you are becoming condescending now because you are essentially telling me how I should and shouldn't think. Quit while you are ahead. I don't see why you keep pushing it because I'm not trying to do the same back. Now I have been fair up till this point but now it's beginning to vex. As I say, quit while you are ahead.
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As I say I'm not really fussed about the studies or whatever it's just what I believe and my principles on it.
I'm not really sure why there is a need to try and change my mind as I'm not trying to change yours. Everyone has their own opinion and such we agree to disagree. :)
Do you not pause momentarily after reading yourself say "Fuck the studies, this is what I want to think!" ?
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As I say I'm not really fussed about the studies or whatever it's just what I believe and my principles on it.
I'm not really sure why there is a need to try and change my mind as I'm not trying to change yours. Everyone has their own opinion and such we agree to disagree. :)
Do you not pause momentarily after reading yourself say "Fuck the studies, this is what I want to think!" ?
No because I can think what I please. Why is this so hard to digest? What does it matter to you apart from what I can only imagine boils down to a sense of your own superiority. I'm sure you think things I may disagree with however I'm not arrogant enough to assume that just because I make a smart-arsed comment. We can all choose to think/feel how we please, it is after all a free world....although perhaps on reflection of this exchange I am wrong about this and I have to abide by your own incontrovertible insight?
Now, I will go back to my original suggestion of simply agreeing to disagree. :)
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Yeah I realise that my stance is cold but personally when crimes are committed against adults and in particular sex crimes they do have more of an ability to deal with it and move on. Children are by and large defenseless and you have then shaped their whole life for the worst. For me that is just an unforgivable act and IMO those that benefit from it (consumers of CP) are just as to blame because I see it as one feeding of the other.
I wouldn't really see killing someone like that in the same way normal murder. When you do something that predatory and that traumatic someone I think it dehumanises you and all you have left is an uncontrollable animal that acts on it's base urges. What would you do with a rabid dog? Shoot it in the head. Same principle. Takes care of the problem permanently.
You incorrectly see it as one feeding off of the other. You think viewing CP turns people into predatory rabid animals? Shit, we should put all of /b/ down.
I think it's far from incorrect. Most humans naturally seek to act out their fantasies (sexual/non-sexual/whatever) because it can give you all sorts of good feelings. It's a natural starting point. If you look at something that you find titillating in any way but particularly sexually long enough you are going to get the urge to experience the reality. That's why as soon as you make that first step, you are done in my eyes. The transition has been made and you are one of them. You may see things differently but it's just something I don't budge on and don't entertain a liberal attitude on. Would be boring if everyone was the same. I also know it wouldn't phase me to do it either, it's just one of those few things that makes me clear any human emotion for someone.
So do you think that someone who is horribly deformed from an accident, or maybe genetic defect, should be banned from looking at adult pornography, since they have a remote chance of having consensual sex (with anyone other than a hooker I guess)? Will looking at adult pornography then lead them to rape?
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As I say I'm not really fussed about the studies or whatever it's just what I believe and my principles on it.
I'm not really sure why there is a need to try and change my mind as I'm not trying to change yours. Everyone has their own opinion and such we agree to disagree. :)
Do you not pause momentarily after reading yourself say "Fuck the studies, this is what I want to think!" ?
No because I can think what I please. Why is this so hard to digest? What does it matter to you apart from what I can only imagine boils down to a sense of your own superiority. I'm sure you think things I may disagree with however I'm not arrogant enough to assume that just because I make a smart-arsed comment. We can all choose to think/feel how we please, it is after all a free world....although perhaps on reflection of this exchange I am wrong about this and I have to abide by your own incontrovertible insight?
Now, I will go back to my original suggestion of simply agreeing to disagree. :)
Limitless go ahead and continue to think whatever the hell you want to think, but I personally think it is a bit strange to want to continue thinking ANYTHING even when told that there are numerous scientific studies that have been done that disagree with you.
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Fair enough, and you are more than welcome to have that opinion. :)
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As I say I'm not really fussed about the studies or whatever it's just what I believe and my principles on it.
I'm not really sure why there is a need to try and change my mind as I'm not trying to change yours. Everyone has their own opinion and such we agree to disagree. :)
Do you not pause momentarily after reading yourself say "Fuck the studies, this is what I want to think!" ?
No because I can think what I please. Why is this so hard to digest? What does it matter to you apart from what I can only imagine boils down to a sense of your own superiority. I'm sure you think things I may disagree with however I'm not arrogant enough to assume that just because I make a smart-arsed comment. We can all choose to think/feel how we please, it is after all a free world....although perhaps on reflection of this exchange I am wrong about this and I have to abide by your own incontrovertible insight?
Now, I will go back to my original suggestion of simply agreeing to disagree. :)
Limitless go ahead and continue to think whatever the hell you want to think, but I personally think it is a bit strange to want to continue thinking ANYTHING even when told that there are numerous scientific studies that have been done that disagree with you.
Dude, pedo's are sick fucks and you really come across as one based on your firm belief in defending them.
Pedophilia in men starts at the age of 13 where they start to find their 13 female classmates attractive. This however retains in males even through their upper teenhood (not the same classmates, the ones that are thirteen NOW, dumbass.) Males even at the age of 20 are still attracted to 13 year olds, but at the age of 20, they instead settle for a fat 15 year old (if they are not in college) or a decent 20 year old (if they are in college). When a male turns 30, he goes through a stage of "commitment" in which he finds a decent girl (usually 25, just when they are dropping out of college) to get married to and live with. Even through their 30s, men are still attracted to 13 year old girls. As a man reaches 40, he becomes unattracted to his ugly smoker had a baby wife and starts going on the internet to talk to younger girls on Facebook or yahoo chat-rooms. At the age of 40 is when men start hitting on the babysitter, or their niece or whatever, which usually results in marital problems. When a man turns 50, his wife is completely done with sex and therefore the man must resort to actually pursuing his dreams of pedophilia. What now goes through his head is "if im gonna cheat on my wife, it might as well be with a 13 yr old" Because men are just like that. This is when they begin their "plan" to finally realize their hidden fantasy. Between then and the time they actually go to it can take up to 30 years, or 3 days if they're really dumb. Then, as they finally meet the young girl they hope to get freaky deaky with, Gary Oak comes out of their bedroom zipping up his pants, followed by Chris Hansen who owns you before the police put the permanent banhammer on your ass. Your life is over, good job.
If that's the basis behind most cases, that's disgusting! Seriously, gross man. :o
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<quote>Pedophiles are born pedophiles, and if they don't harm others I don't have anything against them. </quote>
WTF kmfkewm, every time it comes to this CP thing. You jump on the wagon and give this provocative arguments. I am not so firm as you in these studies you mentioned, nor am I informed in the whole CP scene. But this statement is just false.
How can someone be a born Pedophile? If you are born as an innocent child you are just a child and we humans need some time to develop to grown humans. We are helpless and have an extended childhood. Unlike an animal that have to have skills to survive.
And I dont think someone that fixed on CP is a normal human. No way, man, no fucking way. Tell this someone who was in this situation as a child and now with all the problems of the shaken confidence and unable to love someone.....
Oh my god! Really?! I love you security posts, really but I have to stay away from this CP threads. I could cry just from reading this bullshit.
And on a side note, if someone consumes Adult porn with violence it can easily lead into a change of erotic feelings and a "new picture" in their heads.
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Are these Comic Books of actual children and are they doing sexual stuff?
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Dude, pedo's are sick fucks and you really come across as one based on your firm belief in defending them.
And you come across as a hateful, emotionally 'thinking', easily influenced and primitive creature based on your strict adherence to social norms and blind hate for harmless people who experience reality differently than you do, despite the fact that many of them cause no harm what-so-ever. Of course I must be a pedophile, I do not want to march around the country with a band of hillbillies waving pitchforks and torches around, hooking people up to sexual-arousal-meters and torturing them to death if they get anything even resembling an erection while within ten meters of anyone two seconds under the age of 18. People are truly pathetic, any conversation about age of consent or CP laws need to be prefaced with a disclaimer that you are not a pedophile, and it is due to stupid fucks like you who stifle any thought by immediately attempting to demonize anyone who wants to even have a rational discussion about a subject instead of foam at the mouth, truly like a fucking rabid dog.
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<quote>Pedophiles are born pedophiles, and if they don't harm others I don't have anything against them. </quote>
WTF kmfkewm, every time it comes to this CP thing. You jump on the wagon and give this provocative arguments. I am not so firm as you in these studies you mentioned, nor am I informed in the whole CP scene. But this statement is just false.
How can someone be a born Pedophile? If you are born as an innocent child you are just a child and we humans need some time to develop to grown humans. We are helpless and have an extended childhood. Unlike an animal that have to have skills to survive.
And I dont think someone that fixed on CP is a normal human. No way, man, no fucking way. Tell this someone who was in this situation as a child and now with all the problems of the shaken confidence and unable to love someone.....
Oh my god! Really?! I love you security posts, really but I have to stay away from this CP threads. I could cry just from reading this bullshit.
And on a side note, if someone consumes Adult porn with violence it can easily lead into a change of erotic feelings and a "new picture" in their heads.
The point I was trying to make is that pedophiles do not choose to be pedophiles anymore than a homosexual chooses to be a homosexual, I believe the 'I was born this way' (ie: had no choice) slogan was popularized by the homosexual movement, but it applies equally to pretty much any sexual preference.
I really can only theoretically understand the thinking pattern that you (and many others) are using, but I personally find it highly illogical, to the point that it is actually kind of confusing for me.
Tell this someone who was in this situation as a child and now with all the problems of the shaken confidence and unable to love someone.....
Has to do with MOLESTATION. The inability for people to distinguish between pedophilia and child molestation is as strange as it is common, I blame propaganda and media sensationalism for this phenomenon. People sometimes talk about child porn consumption directly causing some mystical voodoo process known as "revictimization" but there is absolutely no basis for this, it is essentially the same as asking me to believe that stabbing pins in a voodoo doll caricature of me will cause me to feel pain. Some people argue that access to child pornography increases a pedophiles risk of offending, but just as many studies say that it decreases the risk. Who knows what to believe in this world full of intense information warfare. So fall back to a morality stance, and increased probability of a pedophile molesting a child is not reason enough in my eyes to criminalize the behavior, that is pre-crime and pre-crime is bullshit. Some people argue that the commercial market or certain distribution structures result in the demand for child pornography causing production, but commercial child pornography is essentially non-existent in recent times, and at best this is an argument against certain distribution structures. I remain entirely unconvinced that viewing child porn is a particularly bad thing, although I am personally not turned on by children so avoid it :).
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Are these Comic Books of actual children and are they doing sexual stuff?
These would be Japanese Anime/Manga types of comics. To the best of my knowledge, these are drawn from the imagination, and no real models are ever used. I also am given to understand that, in some cases, there is explicit sexual activity depicted. You might want to have a look at the Wikipedia entry for Hentai.
Guru
the more extreme hentai shows what happens when you restrict acess to porn like the japanese do
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Dude, pedo's are sick fucks and you really come across as one based on your firm belief in defending them.
And you come across as a hateful, emotionally 'thinking', easily influenced and primitive creature based on your strict adherence to social norms and blind hate for harmless people who experience reality differently than you do, despite the fact that many of them cause no harm what-so-ever. Of course I must be a pedophile, I do not want to march around the country with a band of hillbillies waving pitchforks and torches around, hooking people up to sexual-arousal-meters and torturing them to death if they get anything even resembling an erection while within ten meters of anyone two seconds under the age of 18. People are truly pathetic, any conversation about age of consent or CP laws need to be prefaced with a disclaimer that you are not a pedophile, and it is due to stupid fucks like you who stifle any thought by immediately attempting to demonize anyone who wants to even have a rational discussion about a subject instead of foam at the mouth, truly like a fucking rabid dog.
I'm a little shocked at why people would try to defend these sick beings. I don't care if a pedophile would defend a child for "love." NOBODY has the right to take advantage of a child like that. NOBODY. Imagine what a child like that would be growing up? She/he would have no sexual morals and will probably end up becoming some sort of a sexual predator themselves.
People state that pedos don't hurt children, only child molesters do, that's fucking bullshit. "Love" is the first criteria, I can't believe that somewhat would write that. If a pedo knew what true pain was then they would know that it is the most disgusting act to ever perform on a child.
Oh yeah and whomever diagnosed these sick and wicked people with a "mental disorder", probably have some disorder themselves. Pull your heads out of your ass's people, it's a sick fucking fetish, acted out by vile human beings who cannot tell right from wrong.
Sure we all have fetishes, some may be even a little twisted, that still doesn't give you the right to act out on them. Learn to control yourselves.
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I'm a little shocked at why people would try to defend these sick beings. I don't care if a pedophile would defend a child for "love." NOBODY has the right to take advantage of a child like that. NOBODY. Imagine what a child like that would be growing up? She/he would have no sexual morals and will probably end up becoming some sort of a sexual predator themselves.
People state that pedos don't hurt children, only child molesters do, that's fucking bullshit. "Love" is the first criteria, I can't believe that somewhat would write that. If a pedo knew what true pain was then they would know that it is the most disgusting act to ever perform on a child.
Oh yeah and whomever diagnosed these sick and wicked people with a "mental disorder", probably have some disorder themselves. Pull your heads out of your ass's people, it's a sick fucking fetish, acted out by vile human beings who cannot tell right from wrong.
Sure we all have fetishes, some may be even a little twisted, that still doesn't give you the right to act out on them. Learn to control yourselves.
Amen for that post.
I cant write in english like I would in my native language but this summs it pretty much up. Especially the last part.
Thanks.
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Are these Comic Books of actual children and are they doing sexual stuff?
These would be Japanese Anime/Manga types of comics. To the best of my knowledge, these are drawn from the imagination, and no real models are ever used. I also am given to understand that, in some cases, there is explicit sexual activity depicted. You might want to have a look at the Wikipedia entry for Hentai.
Guru
the more extreme hentai shows what happens when you restrict acess to porn like the japanese do
It's not restricted to Japanese art. For instance you can't go a week on /b/ without seeing an "Ay Papi" thread pop up which is western. At least the Japanese have the decency to censor their sick fetishes though. :-\
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I start a thread about how the FBI can't do anything about a crime committed on darknet and you bastards make it an argument about pedophile rights or some bullshit...
look you sick degenerates... just because you can rationalize your sickness doesn't make it right... many monsters throughout history have rationalized their horrific deeds.
Here is a good litmus test for whether or not you are a degenerate... if 99.9% of the human population DOES NOT agree with your right to fuck with children then YOU are a degenerate fuck who needs to put a bullet in his own head and save himself the embarrassment of a public trial, not to mention what that trial will do to your own children and family...
defending pedophiles should be left up to the attorneys trying to keep their idiotic clients from long prison terms...
EVERY picture EVER taken of a child in a sexual way to fill some perverted sexual desire is a picture of abuse... PERIOD. There is NO rationalizing that. Just because you didn't take the picture doesn't mean you are not responsible and arguing that there is no correlation between production and use is like trying to say that 'SUPPLY and DEMAND' is a economic MYTH.
pedophiles create pedophiles... and it can only be stopped by eradicating the sickness before it has a chance to corrupt another child.. so if we can catch you now while you are still looking at someone elses kid before you have a chance to reproduce and abuse your own kids then I am all for locking you up for looking at that filth.
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It's important to remember the difference between thinking and acting. A pedophile and a child molester are not the same thing. A pedophile is a person who has an unfortunate, but uncontrollable sexual desire for children. No different than whatever weird kinks you may have. A child molester is a person who molests children. Thought =/= action
You may think their fetish is sick, and it might be, but you need to recognize it for what it is: a fetish. They can't help it. Can you just turn off your attraction to a great pair of tits? It's the same thing.
If someone rapes a 4 year old and you want to hold him down and castrate him you won't hear any protest from me. But to call for the death of all people who have ever had a deviant thought about a child is a thought crime. Nobody, especially in a place like Silk Road, should advocate the punishment of thought crimes.
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It's important to remember the difference between thinking and acting. A pedophile and a child molester are not the same thing. A pedophile is a person who has an unfortunate, but uncontrollable sexual desire for children. No different than whatever weird kinks you may have. A child molester is a person who molests children. Thought =/= action
You may think their fetish is sick, and it might be, but you need to recognize it for what it is: a fetish. They can't help it. Can you just turn off your attraction to a great pair of tits? It's the same thing.
If someone rapes a 4 year old and you want to hold him down and castrate him you won't hear any protest from me. But to call for the death of all people who have ever had a deviant thought about a child is a thought crime. Nobody, especially in a place like Silk Road, should advocate the punishment of thought crimes.
here we go with another argument that has no basis in reality...
the difference is obvious... looking at tits is legal... looking at pre-pubecent children posed in sexual ways is a crime
i don't understand why that is so hard to understand
coming from a guy who sells drugs... Lim please lock this thread as I don't feel like feeding the troll pedophiles or child molesters any longer.
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Hey kmfkewm,
big fan...
2 q's...
You a big fan of "rms" too?
Whens you new site gonna come online?
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there is nothing to win... the argument has no basis in reality
i enjoy a good argument as much as the next guy but arguing with pedophiles is like arguing with Christians and Republicans... just not worth the time
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I never thought I would see anybody on Silkroad of all places use the "It's wrong because it's illegal!" argument. Let alone a vendor.
Nobody is arguing that touching a kid in their naughty place is okay, it's obviously not and you can throw anybody who does to the wolves for all I care. But you can't punish people for their goddamn thoughts and the fact that I have to raise this point in a place that I see as a beacon for civil liberty and rational thought is really a shame.
But whatever, point is the priority should really be stopping actual child molesters and the monsters who create kiddie porn, not the guy who is looking at it. The mass hysteria about pedophiles is really quite ridiculous, load of media fear-mongering no different than what they do with drugs. Kids can't even play outside anymore because everyone is a goddamn pedophile, it's a witch hunt.
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I guess i could have done more to argue my point a little better...
but to be honest I just don't feel like it.
I am pro-drugs and anti- CP... nuff said
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Same here, I don't think many people on SR are Pro-CP. I just think it's important that everyone who is not causing harm to others be treated equally, even if what they think or say repulses you.
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lol your narrow-minded conservative view, and obivious low IQ, is consistent of that of Christians and Republicans
Preach it brother anonaus!!
soon as these idiots like jones realize we are here and we won't be stopped the sooner we can get a listing on SR to trade our wares!!
keep up the good work brother!!
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lol your narrow-minded conservative view, and obivious low IQ, is consistent of that of Christians and Republicans
Preach it brother anonaus!!
soon as these idiots like jones realize we are here and we won't be stopped the sooner we can get a listing on SR to trade our wares!!
keep up the good work brother!!
Dude.... just.... yeah?
Wait a sec, Dank is that you? I genuinely hope it is. I'd be pissed to realise there are at least 2 retards of the highest masonic order here on SR. I didn't know sperm could be that weak
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thank you Guru for your insightful and honest promotion of CP.
stop hating us because we love kids, when I look at a naked six year old I get so turned on, you guys just have to understand I can't help it.
thank you Guru, anonaus and kmfkewm for supporting us.
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thank you Guru for your insightful and honest promotion of CP.
stop hating us because we love kids, when I look at a naked six year old I get so turned on, you guys just have to understand I can't help it.
thank you Guru, anonaus and kmfkewm for supporting us.
Sure it turns you on
But it only turns you on because you are stuck in an infantile state and never developed sexually to a level of maturity. You find it attractive because you are a weak and insecure person and the only people you feel like you can dominate are children. You don't have the balls/personality/depth of character (basically you're not a real person) to appeal to a real woman, and have her appeal to you, and you are a powerless person so you naturally, in a desperate attempt to assert yourself, resort to sexualising the only way you CAN get power.. which is by fantasising about corrupting the most innocent (the only people that someone as weak as you could have control over)
So sure, it turns you on, and you may not harm any kids.. but you're a sick fuck regardless and we're entitled to tell you so.
And don't be surprised if people hate you. I don't care if you've never harmed a kid, it redeems NOTHING about your other qualities. And whilst I can coexist in a world with people like you, I'll tell you straight that you're a lowly piece of shit as will the rest of the people here.
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thank you Guru for your insightful and honest promotion of CP.
stop hating us because we love kids, when I look at a naked six year old I get so turned on, you guys just have to understand I can't help it.
thank you Guru, anonaus and kmfkewm for supporting us.
Sure it turns you on
And don't be surprised if people hate you. I don't care if you've never harmed a kid, it redeems NOTHING about your other qualities. And whilst I can coexist in a world with people like you, I'll tell you straight that you're a lowly piece of shit as will the rest of the people here.
well obviously you are in the minority here... my brothers Guru, anonaus and kmfkewm understand what I am going through and got my back so fuck you!
I say we vote for SRCP site just for us!!!