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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: zoomer on February 11, 2012, 08:10 am
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So a buyer named Polskiii contacts me two days after I ship his package saying that he never got it.
At the time I thought this was odd given that only two days had passed and most people wouldn't bother saying anything until at least day 3 had passed on a domestic shipment.
So I had him wait a few more days over the weekend. He reports back that my package still had not arrived the following Monday.
So I figured someone must have stolen it or it was confiscated, but it seemed odd that he didn't get a confiscation letter. After he reported that he never got it I sent him a second replacement package free of charge.
Three days latter he's telling me that the second shipment didn't show up, but then goes on to say this load of bullshit:
polskiii:
"Hey it has been 3 days and nothing has arrived counting today. My friends mom ( person I pay rent to ) told me she received a letter from the post office for me, I have not got it from her yet but Im worried it might be a confiscation letter! Anyways Im not worried about getting in trouble because as you said it is a pretty small amount"
zoomer(100):
"The letter is probably the weed dude. If it's not the weed or a confiscation letter, then there is something wrong with the address you are giving me or someone is stealing it from you. I'm not going to send out another freebie to you. I already shipped a hundred bucks worth of weed to you."
zoomer(100)
"Oh by the way, how did your friend's mom get a letter for you if you are the one who is checking the mail box when the mail arrives?"
polskiii:
"It was the confiscation letter I told her to open it and let me know due to me personally being busy working, she told me not to worry about, shes cool about all this shit..etc. So what do we do now? I hope i dont get screwed by the cops 3 hours"
"Normally I get the mail but i was busy the day the letter came in. "
zoomer(100):
"So you called your friends mom, while you were at work, and then asked her to get your mail and open it, while at the time you were expecting to receive a pot shipment?
Are you kidding me? "
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That is shitty man, Im sorry for your loss. You gave him the benefit of the doubt and he abused it... wrong
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Thank you for sharing this... I'll make note.
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I should also mention that I shipped other orders at the same time as his and they all made it to their destinations.
So I know nothing odd happened at least on my end of the postal chain.
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I would just cut my losses and limit reshipping to one time per customer.
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I would just cut my losses and limit reshipping to one time per customer.
That's pretty much what I did.
I just wanted people to be on the look out for this guy. Don't sell him anything.
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well best of luck in your future sales zoomer
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I would just cut my losses and limit reshipping to one time per customer.
That's pretty much what I did.
I just wanted people to be on the look out for this guy. Don't sell him anything.
Much appreciated friend.
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Sucks to hear that Zoomer. That guy sounds like a waste of time. I think there is a shit list for losers like him.
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It really sux to get ripped off like that. He sounds like a dumb ass 14 year old. I'd drop him like a hot potato.
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Unfortunately, I’ve just had an incident myself with this piece of shit. Here’s how he fucked me: he left negative feedback! 1/5 rating. Claiming he didn’t receive the package… Here’s the conversation:
Polskiii:Shouldn't the order of been here by now? –Feb. 14
HS420:Tracking says it was delivered yesterday afternoon. –Feb. 14
Polskiii:Yesterday? I was home yesterday, nothing came in the mail. –Feb. 14
HS420:How would you like to proceed? Escalate it to SR staff? –Feb. 15
Polskiii:Up to you man, I'm not trying to screw anyone over, im currently worried that it got intercepted.. We can take it to the staff, replace it, refund it, just cancel the order,..etc its up to you –Feb. 15
So, I email SR Staff:
HS420:I searched through the forums and the wiki and don't know how to proceed with this situation. The customer is claiming to have not received his package, but the DCN reported that it was delivered 2 days ago. Is there a proactive approach I can take or the buyer can take? How are these situations remedied? Thank you for your time. –Feb. 15
SR Support:If the DCN says it's delivered he has no stake in refund.
~SR Support –Feb. 15
So, I report this information to the little bitch polskii… he responds:
Polskiii:I never received it... what if LEO intercepted it & marked it as delivered... Do you want to just replace it or cancel the order? –Feb. 16
HS420:I don't know who "LEO" is. If the package was intercepted, you'd get an official notice from the USPS that a package has been intercepted. The tracking says it was delivered.
According to SR Staff and Seller/Buyer guidelines; we’re entitled to 100% payment. –Feb. 17
Polskiii:http://www.leo.gov/ ..... So what am I suppose to do? You cant just replace it instead of doing a refund? –Feb. 17
HS420:I don't think you're getting it. I think it's better we just let SR staff talk to you on my behalf. You're clearly not understanding or not wanting to understand. Thank you. –Feb. 18
Polskiii:So there is nothing you can do for me? –Feb. 18
Today, this ass clown finalizes the transaction and leaves me 1/5 feedback rating and this text: "Terrible communication / handling of issues; will never buy from again, ++ posting on forums"
So I write him:
HS420:Why are you saying that I was a bad communicator? We did our job. You act as though we did this to you on purpose and you only offered two suggested solutions… refund you or send you the product again. Now how is that fair to us?!?! What is it that we did wrong? We have a tracking number to PROVE the package was delivered. What do you have? NOTHING. Just your word that you didn’t get it. How can you prove to me that you are not a liar? If you can prove that… I will refund your BitCoins AND send you the 1/8 again!!! –Feb. 20
Polskiii:I have no reason to lie.. The only reason I do this & not locally is because I have been caught up working & going to school both full-time. Out of my I'd say 8-10 Transactions, only one was gone wrong so far & it was my fault for purchasing something all the way across the world. I received a 75% Refund & in my opinion felt that was not right considering the fact the dude probably never shipped it. That is the only issue I have ever had. This is my first real shipping issue ever & in the US. I have no reason to lie, I am sure months from now I will receive a confiscation letter or something along those lines. I am not asking for my money, I don't want you to lose out because I know you shipped it since you have the tracking number..etc. I am just asking simply to replace it.. If you do I will edit the feedback.. If the bit coins are not a big issue either for you than give them back too so I can purchase more stuff in the future from you..etc & I can do some positive forums about you as well if you would like... –Feb. 20
After reading this horse shit; I get a hunch to look him up here on the forum… Lo and behold… here is this thread!!! I am going to report him to SR Support along with his shipping information and hopefully they cancel his account and I get my 100% feedback rating back.
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It's President's Day there is no mail today.
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Now this asshole is gonna leave you a 1/5, ruin your rating and there is nothing you can do about it.
Welcome to being a vendor on SR.
Its basically a right of passage.
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Ugh sorry to hear about both experiences with this "Polskii" character. Sounds like its just some scummy college kid. People like this ruin things for buyers and vendors alike. It damages the vendors credibility, and it also makes the vendor wary of buyers. I personally try to avoid having to finalize early on transactions (although im not totally averse to it, circumstances alter cases), but with so many shitheads on each side, i can't really blame vendors for requesting it.
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I had a bad interaction with "Polskii". he tried to pull some crap on me two. said it never arrived, bullshit.
he gave me two 2/5 ratings. lil punk.
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damn sorry to hear about this problem dude.
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I hope SR does something about this scammer, when they keep saying the same thing over and over with different vendors its obvious he is trying to get as much as he can before being banned.
I hope some sellers keep is info so when he registers again he cannot pull scam 2.0 with a different user name. Has his user name been added to the list?
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=4550.0
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Jesus this guy is fucking it up for everybody. While I was looking to make my first few transactions I was wondering why so many vendors seemed so hostile on there vendor pages, or refused to deal with new buyers. Now I know. It's because of asses like that guy.
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Another example why we should have a buyers account to keep riff/raff
like this at bay. A fee for a buyers account large enough to keep such scammers away
would help vendors immensely.
Posting the scammers name in the scammer buyers thread carries no weight since the can just
set up a new user name and continue the con but if they had to pay $100 or $150 buyers account
that would stop them from creating new buyer accounts and would give extra weight to that
scammer buyers thread.
THANKS
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I'm a new buyer and i have to agree that even though that sounds harsh a buyers accct idea sounds like the best idea ive heard of yet limiting peeps from resigning up and scamming. as the other alternative is blacklisting addresses but thats not feasible for obvious reasons :( so yeah someone should suggest that to SR staff thats brilliant idea :D
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Jesus this guy is fucking it up for everybody. While I was looking to make my first few transactions I was wondering why so many vendors seemed so hostile on there vendor pages, or refused to deal with new buyers. Now I know. It's because of asses like that guy.
Hey space case,
It shouldn’t make a vendor bitter towards a new buyer. There are always gonna be assholes trying to scam. When he told me he didn’t receive it… my immediate thinking was “yeah right”. Of course he did. Tracking said delivered. Period. What’s the point of having the DCN if a buyer can still come back and say he didn’t receive it?!?! SR Staff agrees with this concept too. And the dummies with the argument “well, what if he put a DCN on a First Class empty envelope and blah, blah, blah” look, there is always going to be jerk offs. If someone is that fucking twisted that they think about doing that instead of just running a legit business then we have bigger problems in society as a whole. Seriously. But, for shits and giggles, let’s examine that and let’s say someone is that twisted… he’d only get away with it 1 time! It is believable that 1 customer like this polskiii comes along every once in a while and fucks with us vendors. Usually his plan is foiled within a week or two. But if a twisted vendor continued to send out fake DCNs to buyers nearby addresses… it’d be posted on the forums and quickly become apparent that it is not a bad buyer or coincidence any more. The jig would be up! 3 or 4 “coincidences” and people are not gonna be that dumb anymore. That’s just my opinion; I could be wrong.
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It appears polskiii is trying his whole "it has not arrived" schtick on me. I find it very suspicious that he decides to message me the day that the DCN says it was delivered saying that he is still waiting on the package.
The DCN says it was delivered and all other packages sent at the same time were delivered and reported as received by customers. Had I come across this thread a day sooner I would not have dealt with polskiii but it is too late now. If I hadn't seen this thread I would have been inclined to work something out but this thread has shown me that this is a regular occurrence with him so a refund is definitely not on the table.
This is the first time this has happened to me so I was wondering what my options are. Should I contact SR Staff? Or should I just wait for him to finalize/auto-finalize and give me a 1/5?
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It appears polskiii is trying his whole "it has not arrived" schtick on me. I find it very suspicious that he decides to message me the day that the DCN says it was delivered saying that he is still waiting on the package.
The DCN says it was delivered and all other packages sent at the same time were delivered and reported as received by customers. Had I come across this thread a day sooner I would not have dealt with polskiii but it is too late now. If I hadn't seen this thread I would have been inclined to work something out but this thread has shown me that this is a regular occurrence with him so a refund is definitely not on the table.
This is the first time this has happened to me so I was wondering what my options are. Should I contact SR Staff? Or should I just wait for him to finalize/auto-finalize and give me a 1/5?
try to contact SR staff and link them to this thread
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Vendors......seriously.......sometimes y'all are too serious about the rating. Your rating isn't ruined with only one little jerkwad pulling this stunt. Just saying. I hear you on the frustration part, I'd go apeshit most likely, but it is what it is. Not only here. You sell something somewhere, and sooner or later some jerkwad like this little cunt will try to rip you for a few. Dun matter if that is eBay, Amazon or the SR.
Just keep in mind that any sensible buyer will know that. No one in their right mind will think you're up to no good because you have one 1/5 out of 20 or 30 or 40 5/5s.
And those buyers that aren't that way, are likely the ones you don't wanna deal with to begin with.
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Another example why we should have a buyers account to keep riff/raff
like this at bay. A fee for a buyers account large enough to keep such scammers away
would help vendors immensely.
Posting the scammers name in the scammer buyers thread carries no weight since the can just
set up a new user name and continue the con but if they had to pay $100 or $150 buyers account
that would stop them from creating new buyer accounts and would give extra weight to that
scammer buyers thread.
THANKS
A better option is for vendors to have a way to leave feedback for the buyer in return. SR gets plenty of money, they dont need to charge for an account.... another site will become the popular spot because I know damn well I wont pay to play. Its bad enough we buyers have to pay the outrageous prices PLUS SR fees on top of that... you want to take all our money because of one piece of shit? good luck with that.
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Another example why we should have a buyers account to keep riff/raff
like this at bay. A fee for a buyers account large enough to keep such scammers away
would help vendors immensely.
Posting the scammers name in the scammer buyers thread carries no weight since the can just
set up a new user name and continue the con but if they had to pay $100 or $150 buyers account
that would stop them from creating new buyer accounts and would give extra weight to that
scammer buyers thread.
THANKS
A better option is for vendors to have a way to leave feedback for the buyer in return. SR gets plenty of money, they dont need to charge for an account.... another site will become the popular spot because I know damn well I wont pay to play. Its bad enough we buyers have to pay the outrageous prices PLUS SR fees on top of that... you want to take all our money because of one piece of shit? good luck with that.
While I will agree we pay enough in taxes on SR.
A buyers fee is the only way to stop this BS.
And how the hell can some one keep getting away with the vendor had a DCN, and it says delivered?
What it doesn't say is mommy took it, and she is pretty fucked up right now. Thank You.
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This guy sounds like a real douche bag. They should cancel his membership and remove all of his negative feedback.
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I hope SR does something about this scammer, when they keep saying the same thing over and over with different vendors its obvious he is trying to get as much as he can before being banned.
I hope some sellers keep is info so when he registers again he cannot pull scam 2.0 with a different user name. Has his user name been added to the list?
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=4550.0
I'm assuming that the Tor software SR relies upon to exist also makes tracking of scamming buyers difficult, does it not? Aside from posting his physical address, what can be done to stop people like this from opening up a new account and getting a PO Box? Obamagirl's idea about blacklisting the city is good, but what if it's NYC or LA? I don't know about buyer location numbers, but I would imagine that's cutting off your nose to spite your face in large cities like that.
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If only you could deal with them as to how you would in person.
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thanks for raising prices 4 every1 polskiii
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Honestly I just factor scammers into the price and pass it on to customers. I would be willing to sell my stuff mayb 10% cheaper if I knew all the buyers were honest. But since they arnt I just charge all of them more money. Thats the only answer 2 scammers. SR isnt interested in paying the kinda money it would take to buy some1 to catch them. A guy that knows how to catch scammer well......learned by scamming.......that means SR would have 2 find an "honest" scammer and then pay that scammer enough 2 keep him working for SR instead of scamming.
That is literally what stores do. If you go to buy shoes or you go to buy gifts or anything for that matter your paying anywhere from 10-30% in an extra fee because the store factors in all the merchandise that will be stolen on average. Now this is a legitimate business practice but to all the vendors out there please remember not everyone has hundreds of dollars to blow all the time. Heck if there was a $150 charge to make an account i probably couldn't even afford that let alone the drugs.
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Saw this thread and that name rang a bell... he got me too:
polskiii: Shouldn't the order of been here by now?
TrustusJones(100): sorry you have not received your shipment yet. Lets wait till the mail runs tomorrow. If you still have not received your order I will give you the option of a refund or another shipment.
polskiii:Ok I will let you know what's up first thing tomorrow, if anything I would say just do a refund & I will lay low for a bit and re-purchase in the future
TrustusJones(100):Obviously I don't have the address for where that package was going but I did review when I shipped it. I marked as shipped on Friday of last week at 2:29pm. Which means I would have taken it to the box that evening... technically it wouldn't have been picked up till that Saturday and since it didn't ship Sunday then there is a good chance that it actually didn't go out till that Monday.
I have no problem at all issuing you a refund but I still think there is a better than reasonable chance that it is still on the way considering it is just Wednesday.
If you can have a little patience I would like to give it till Friday to be sure.
I don't think this is unreasonable but I will defer to you as you are the customer and I would like to make you happy.
Let me know if you are willing to give it till Friday or if you insist on a refund now.
polskiii:Can you just refund me at this time, If it happens to arrive I will re-purchase/finalize it & simply don't ship it out
TrustusJones(100):Get anything today?
polskiii:Nope :/
TrustusJones(100):refunded
polskiii:If it comes in i will let you know & give you your $ back
An open letter to the Shithead named Polskiii: your playing a dangerous game son. Fucking with people lives and money is going to get your punk ass fucked up. Keep it up asshole and see what happens to you.
Trustus Jones
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Fucking losers like this piss me off..... They do everything they can to ruin it for everyone else...... If I had to pay 100-150 or even 30 bucks to join this site... I wouldn't be here... Paying to be a seller sure but not a buyer.. Things are expensive enough as it is.... :)
I sell ounces of pot for 180 on the street... LOL i'm seeing z's going for nearly twice the street value on sr....
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Honestly I just factor scammers into the price and pass it on to customers. I would be willing to sell my stuff mayb 10% cheaper if I knew all the buyers were honest. But since they arnt I just charge all of them more money. Thats the only answer 2 scammers. SR isnt interested in paying the kinda money it would take to buy some1 to catch them. A guy that knows how to catch scammer well......learned by scamming.......that means SR would have 2 find an "honest" scammer and then pay that scammer enough 2 keep him working for SR instead of scamming.
Catch Me If You Can, right? I saw that movie :)
Like DeadLight said, that's standard business practice. This is from an article I found:
Even if they aren’t caught, shoplifters pay a price for what they take, and so do their parents, friends, neighbors and everyone else in their community.
That’s because the cost of shoplifting is factored into the price of goods. The more that’s stolen, the more the item will cost down the road.
“When someone shoplifts, in reality what they are doing is stealing from each individual customer,” said Jason Moulton, loss prevention director for Safeway, Seattle division, which includes Alaska. “Yeah, we are the victim today. But we’re a for-profit organization, so what we have to do is take that expense and build it into the cost of goods. So really they’ve victimized their parents, their family and all the customers of that store.”
They even have a term for the stolen merchandise. It's called "inventory shrinkage". Heh.
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They even have a term for the stolen merchandise. It's called "inventory shrinkage". Heh.
LOL, Shrinkage sucks
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i used to play world of warcraft (im 6'1'' 195 pounds fuck with me lol) and one day when i was trying to log on it was being weird and said already logged in and shit, so i called blizzard the maker of the game, and they told me someone had stolen my credit card info and logged into my account. well i logged into my other account and messaged him and told him i found his ip address and i was on my way to confront him with a .357 mag and 20 minutes later he bought me 6 months of gametime and a lot of gold lol it was great. and after the 6 months was up he bought me another 6 months without me even knowing, i got to play free for a year because of a scammer.
so i guess the lesson is own a gun. lol
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What a faggot piece of shit. Its assholes like this that just ruin it for the average buyer who is completly satisfied with having something show up in the mail. And because of shitheads like this it makes sellers immediately think scammer when a buyer has a legitimate claim when something doesn't show up.
He probably took that last refund and just went down the list to the next seller to scam them. Grrr makes me mad as hell.
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Something I've been really thinking about and wanted to add. This shows how important and how much of a service using dcn is. We see someone who used it and was able to deny this jerkoffs request for a resend because of the proof that it was delivered. And we see a few who didn't. And were then forced to placate him by resending or giving a refund, even if they didn't sr mods would have probably sided at least partially with polskii.
I personally think using dcn should be taken advantage of as much as possible, it would truly help separate the scammers from the people who legitimately didn't receive their package. And it would save vendors money in the long run.
If I have the choice between free shipping and paying a bit extra for a dcn ill take the dcn every time. I think it is a great tool for holding people responsible and keeping buyers and sellers alike honest.
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dcn has been pretty much essential in usa domestic packages for quite awhile now. any vendor not doing it is insane since someone figured out how to do it without going in postoffice.
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i used to play world of warcraft (im 6'1'' 195 pounds fuck with me lol) and one day when i was trying to log on it was being weird and said already logged in and shit, so i called blizzard the maker of the game, and they told me someone had stolen my credit card info and logged into my account. well i logged into my other account and messaged him and told him i found his ip address and i was on my way to confront him with a .357 mag and 20 minutes later he bought me 6 months of gametime and a lot of gold lol it was great. and after the 6 months was up he bought me another 6 months without me even knowing, i got to play free for a year because of a scammer.
so i guess the lesson is own a gun. lol
Too bad that method might be considered sort of unprofessional of the vendors to use on this polskiii scumbag :( It would be completely appropriate and probably have him shitting his pants.
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i would never do that if i were a vendor, but if you were from the state im from, you'd do the same thing when somebody steals your credit card info. also, i used my credit card at a mom and pops gas station 10 minutes west of my town, and a week later, i had 4 tickets to disney land pop up on my account that i didn't purchase.
i'll give you a hint on the state. its where noodling (hand fishing) is most popular.
another hint, we won the rose bowl in 2001, for an undefeated season, against washington state.
ehh anybody? lol
and please don't tell me not to post personal info like this, i own and run a gamefarm, if i was ever gonna be raided or something like that, it would be for owning game roosters and fighting knives on the same land.
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Someone should post this fuckers name and address.
Its because of little cocksucks like this guy that we have issues here. 99% of people just want to buy their shit and get high. It's these fucking worms that have to ruin shit for everyone else. Absolute scum.
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Maybe SR could maybe vanish negative ratings as and when its shown to be some scammer.
I have only made 5 purchases here so far but all have been top quality apart from the 2 grams of UK street speed for 1 BTC which I have not tested yet.
I said in another thread that it would be good to see stats from traders with respect to how many out of 100 packages go missing both with domestic and international orders.
Also its easy for sellers to submit postcodes to the management who could easily determine if someone is reinventing themselves after coming here and scamming. I reckon they would go back to the same traders and get a refund or resend.
Tracking the packages would be the best bet. For anything a bit substantial some already do this.
The postcodes in a database might find certain postcodes having dozens of returns or refunds.
This would unmask a few real annoying habitual offenders.