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Discussion => Legal => Topic started by: e3e3e3 on September 06, 2013, 09:03 am
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This is how LE catches on...
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You don't have anything to worry about. The irony is that LE already knows everything there is to know about ML while nobody around here, who's putting forward ideas, has a clue as far as I can tell.
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Let them talk about it, let them think they are smart. They will be the first ones LE can easily catch. I don't know why but Darwin comes to my mind right now :D
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Let them talk about it, let them think they are smart. They will be the first ones LE can easily catch. I don't know why but Darwin comes to my mind right now :D
And also those who don't keep changing their methods (unless u have a lock ass method)
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Money Laundering is simple, it's well researched, enforced and funded at the IRS level with lots of forensic accountants that pick up on common schemes and complacent, routine financial recording that many people resort to after getting bored of changing things up.
Why you shouldn't answer these questions is simple. If a vendor can't figure out how to convert BTC to cash anonymously, or at the very least develop a layered system of laundering, you don't want to buy from them. I think we should have some kind of intelligence test before allowing vendors to sell on SR, or maybe an increase in fees should they fail to make the passing score. Silk Road is a unique community of people consisting of many that have a high level of intelligence/experience in both street life and in academic and formal studies. There are some that make me wonder if 1 idiot left a computer on SR in a library, and another idiot saw it and got involved, and also forgot to close the browser, etc, etc. But for the most part we're smart, elusive, and probably not the people you want to fuck with anyway.
Those who need to ask the very competitors and customers who they will end up dealing with for advice on a key activity to success selling restricted products, that so many managed to outsmart long before the internet, don't fit the intelligence standards that I see fosters success in vendors.
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Money Laundering is simple, it's well researched, enforced and funded at the IRS level with lots of forensic accountants that pick up on common schemes and complacent, routine financial recording that many people resort to after getting bored of changing things up.
Why you shouldn't answer these questions is simple. If a vendor can't figure out how to convert BTC to cash anonymously, or at the very least develop a layered system of laundering, you don't want to buy from them. I think we should have some kind of intelligence test before allowing vendors to sell on SR, or maybe an increase in fees should they fail to make the passing score. Silk Road is a unique community of people consisting of many that have a high level of intelligence/experience in both street life and in academic and formal studies. There are some that make me wonder if 1 idiot left a computer on SR in a library, and another idiot saw it and got involved, and also forgot to close the browser, etc, etc. But for the most part we're smart, elusive, and probably not the people you want to fuck with anyway.
Those who need to ask the very competitors and customers who they will end up dealing with for advice on a key activity to success selling restricted products, that so many managed to outsmart long before the internet, don't fit the intelligence standards that I see fosters success in vendors.
+100. You could possibly be a mind reader. Great post.
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Excellent post, National Direct. Someone else on the forum mentioned a similar concern, that kids using SR have never dealt/bought on the street so they don't have a working "sketchmeter" to tell them when something is up. I try to keep that sort of thing in mind when on the forums, that many here are inexperienced and could fuck up any day.
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Iv only noticed basic laundering information and questions. No need to worry
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You don't have anything to worry about. The irony is that LE already knows everything there is to know about ML while nobody around here, who's putting forward ideas, has a clue as far as I can tell.
Completely Agree with this^^
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I quite enjoy the conversations and exchange of ideas. To be honest no one talks about specifics for the most part. What they do talk about is more methodology. LE knows the methods. It's doubtful anyone here will come up with something totally brand new, even if they did without details of where, what, and when it would only be a method. I mean thats like saying the method for making M. So what if the method is out there? if you don't have the abilities, knowledge, connections, resources and network available then knowing the method doesn't help one bit. For anyone who does have the fore mentioned the method in itself doesn't make anything they are doing more or less risky. If they have done things correctly then they shouldn't be at risk.
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There are still to do this day very untraceable methods that exist. Money talks. And police or whatever le don't have a clue. Everything on here is basic information that was sold on and on with no strategy or long term plan. And also anonymity. Now a lot think they are experts in money laundering. Serious launderers won't even entertain most vendors here
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All public advice on money laundering in the vast majority of cases will already be on the FATF Watchlist so take it as it has a life of no more than 6 months of using that assuming it is posted today for example.
I personally only give advice relating to fresh methods and wholly seperate systems are sold to each client. Each system takes a lot of time to develop which is why my fees are very high and anyone who offers professional advice and has real life experience will never charge below $1,000 for anything - ever. The lower end costs for my time are $2,500 and can skyrocket if you need to be spoon fed things.
It is true, too many fools claiming to be experts and it has gone dangerously wrong for some but my services are so far flawless. One point I always make to clients is even with a record like mine so far, you should test everything. If I was to say for example, a certain transaction of a commodity through jurisdictions will help cover a transaction between several shells, the client should research some information such as is that advice on the FATF Methods and Trends publications, are there any taxes I haven't mentioned, what are the regulations surrounding it which could apply, are there limitations to this - and if there is a problem with the advice given or an important point is missed then the customer is fully right to question the quality of the advisor.
With that said, clearer terminology will probably cut down requests. Most people asking for money laundering on the forum are actually asking for how to cash out anonymously, mix bitcoins or something between that as opposed to actual money laundering (ie, taking the proceeds of crime and making it indistinguishable from a legal income of some kind). As another point, about half my clients aren't actually asking me to produce methods sometimes, but basically want me to serve as a person to bounce ideas from and check that their own plan ideas will work and add suggestions to them which I am happy to do but of course I do make note exchanging the idea with me is a risk to them because for all they know I could be LE, but many still proceed anyway.
And if you really want to test a new "money launderer" popping their head on SilkRoad, just let me know and I'll put a public challenge to them and let the community decide how legitimate they are and people can openly criticize the responses of both sides.