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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: OzFreelancer on June 12, 2013, 02:04 am
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Hi all,
Wondering if anyone can help me out with a screenshot of SR from anywhere between February to May 2011 (i.e. pre-Gawker)? Would really appreciate it :)
x Eiley
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So you can draw more unwanted and unneeded attention? Do you get off watching SR users prosecuted?
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So you can draw more unwanted and unneeded attention? Do you get off watching SR users prosecuted?
I'm sorry you think that I contribute to that, though I understand where you are coming from. The fact is, SR will continue to be in the media and I hope that my pieces balance out the "Won't somebody think of the Children" articles that tend to run in the mainstream press. They were running before I ever wrote anything and they've continued to run. You can't stop them. The best is to hope that both sides get an equal run.
And no, if you would care to read the posts on my site, you can see that I certainly do not get off on watching SR users prosecuted.
In any event, the screenshots are not for an article and if anybody has one, I'd really appreciate a PM. :)
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So you can draw more unwanted and unneeded attention? Do you get off watching SR users prosecuted?
Says the guy who's been here for three whole days...
Guess what buddy, you're only here because of the media attention surrounding this place. This isn't your super secret club, everyone and their grandmother knows about the SR.
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Why would you need the screenshot anyway? You can always create an account and then take a screenshot yourself.
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Oh yay, the failed journalist is back!
Just kidding.
Sort of.
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Why would you need the screenshot anyway? You can always create an account and then take a screenshot yourself.
I have an account. :)
I specifically want a screenshot of how SR looked pre-Gawker.
I'm writing a book. DPR is aware of it and has been as supportive of this endeavour as he has been of my other work :)
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idk if this is pre gawker or not. oldest one i could find
CLEARNET
http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/22859000/ngbbs4de80fdc07c09.jpg
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^actually i think that is the gawker screenshot...whoops
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^actually i think that is the gawker screenshot...whoops
+1 karma for trying to help anyway, thanks CB :)
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So you can draw more unwanted and unneeded attention? Do you get off watching SR users prosecuted?
Says the guy who's been here for three whole days...
Guess what buddy, you're only here because of the media attention surrounding this place. This isn't your super secret club, everyone and their grandmother knows about the SR.
Do you even multiple accounts?
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I've received a couple of screenshots from different eras now - fascinating stuff and a big thank-you to those who sent them to me. I really appreciate it :)
While we're here, does anyone know if http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/ was the original address or was there one before it?
Feel free to ask me anything here or by PM if you like before responding.
Eiley
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Interesting, what's your book about if you don't mind me asking? :)
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Do you even multiple accounts?
I've had accounts before my current one and I've been here far longer than you buddy so don't act like an asshat. One thing I've noticed in my time here is that the idiots fade fast thankfully so you'll only be a temporary nuisance before you get bored and go elsewhere.
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Interesting, what's your book about if you don't mind me asking? :)
I don't mind at all :)
In my perfect world, it would be a book on the role the online black markets had to play in bringing an end to The War on Drugs (TM). ::) But in the real world it will be a study of the growth of online black markets - specifically drug markets - against a backdrop of increasing international frustration with prohibition. With any luck, some time in my lifetime we will be able to look back and see what part these markets had to play in a post-prohibition world. It will be written in much the same vein as my website - ie in an attempt to balance good research and information with a few ripping yarns to make for a good read.
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Why would you need the screenshot anyway? You can always create an account and then take a screenshot yourself.
No she can't. She said why in the OP.
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Wtf is pre-gawker and who the F, is this person and what's their websites called please someone cos I find this strange and kinda disturbing cheers
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Interesting, what's your book about if you don't mind me asking? :)
I don't mind at all :)
In my perfect world, it would be a book on the role the online black markets had to play in bringing an end to The War on Drugs (TM). ::) But in the real world it will be a study of the growth of online black markets - specifically drug markets - against a backdrop of increasing international frustration with prohibition. With any luck, some time in my lifetime we will be able to look back and see what part these markets had to play in a post-prohibition world. It will be written in much the same vein as my website - ie in an attempt to balance good research and information with a few ripping yarns to make for a good read.
sounds more like an essay.
feel free to use the legendary CrazyBart in your story tho!
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Wtf is pre-gawker and who the F, is this person and what's their websites called please someone cos I find this strange and kinda disturbing cheers
Hi there,
Pre-gawker refers to the time between Silk Road's inception and the gawker.com article that brought the Road to the masses, i.e. Feb-May 2011. By 'this person' do you mean me? All my info and my website is in my sig. Which bit do you find strange and disturbing? I'll try to put your mind at ease ::)
And CB... definitely not essay-like ;)
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SR gets underground press from sites that get 1000 hits a day, and maybe a 5-second mention on national news. At the rate it's going, in five years....it will still be a nothing on the national scale.
I'm writing a book. DPR is aware of it and has been as supportive of this endeavour as he has been of my other work :)
This is monumentally foolish, for several reasons. I will list them numerically, because a coherent paragraph-separated argument doesn't seem to have any advantages on this forum, where all anyone does is skim-read. So hopefully I can make this short and sweet. And also you will have a convenient way to respond to each point in a 1,2,3 format.
1. SR does not need more press. Press could be anywhere from neutral to bad for SR, never good. I think we can both agree on this (despite the reality that SR DOES get press).
2. Just because DPR gives his/her/its blessing for an action, does not mean that action is the best course of action. As far as I know, DPR (whether it be a collective or one man/woman), is human, or comprised of human beings. Human beings have been known to be imperfect in several ways, especially when they are involved in criminal activities. You need only look very briefly into the several, diverse anals of organized crime. Though DPR is our leader here on the SR, I would not go so far as to use him as an authority on what the possible impacts on SR's future could be from a widely-distributed printed work.
3. Let us say your work does very well. Tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people buy it. Perhaps you even get press yourself (and therefore SR gets press, which is neutral/bad). You've just informed, say, 100,000 more people about the road that never knew about it before, and if it ever gained social media diffusion, you're talking millions. The average person walking the streets today knows nothing of SR (not including these tight-knit groups of drug users and their associates). Why would you want to change that? I'm for freedom of speech, but it's tricky in a reckless context. A story like SR's is just waiting for the right jumping-off point to become major news (major news would be bad for SR). Who doesn't love a mysterious delocalized drug-trafficking operation that has the ability to effectively evade LE?
4. You and I both know, as people who understand what the press really is, that it doesn't matter "how you tell the story." They could turn "Little Red Riding Hood" into "Vicious Bestiality Gang Rape By African American Wolf." It doesn't matter what you write about the SR. They probably won't even read it. They'll simply get a brief overview of the subject matter and form an opinion on it without even reading what you have to say, and then they will report. And you and I both know damn well what they would report.
The status quo is here to stay, and you trying to get your position across to someone cupping their ears to everything but the word "drugs" is going to be a god damn waste of time. But the worst part about it is you would be doing monumental damage to our thing here, simultaneously. Maybe you just want the money and the limelight; maybe you truly have a principled interest in this story; maybe both. But the best way is to keep your mouth shut to the outside world, which will only ridicule and condemn you for what you are.
P.S. Sorry I couldn't make it short and sweet.
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i personally would not put that sort of bullseye on my own back for any amount of BTC.
if you let your Identity be known and you've released this book. Somebody may kill you.
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SR gets underground press from sites that get 1000 hits a day, and maybe a 5-second mention on national news. At the rate it's going, in five years....it will still be a nothing on the national scale.
I'm writing a book. DPR is aware of it and has been as supportive of this endeavour as he has been of my other work :)
This is monumentally foolish, for several reasons. I will list them numerically, because a coherent paragraph-separated argument doesn't seem to have any advantages on this forum, where all anyone does is skim-read. So hopefully I can make this short and sweet. And also you will have a convenient way to respond to each point in a 1,2,3 format.
1. SR does not need more press. Press could be anywhere from neutral to bad for SR, never good. I think we can both agree on this (despite the reality that SR DOES get press).
2. Just because DPR gives his/her/its blessing for an action, does not mean that action is the best course of action. As far as I know, DPR (whether it be a collective or one man/woman), is human, or comprised of human beings. Human beings have been known to be imperfect in several ways, especially when they are involved in criminal activities. You need only look very briefly into the several, diverse anals of organized crime. Though DPR is our leader here on the SR, I would not go so far as to use him as an authority on what the possible impacts on SR's future could be from a widely-distributed printed work.
3. Let us say your work does very well. Tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people buy it. Perhaps you even get press yourself (and therefore SR gets press, which is neutral/bad). You've just informed, say, 100,000 more people about the road that never knew about it before, and if it ever gained social media diffusion, you're talking millions. The average person walking the streets today knows nothing of SR (not including these tight-knit groups of drug users and their associates). Why would you want to change that? I'm for freedom of speech, but it's tricky in a reckless context. A story like SR's is just waiting for the right jumping-off point to become major news (major news would be bad for SR). Who doesn't love a mysterious delocalized drug-trafficking operation that has the ability to effectively evade LE?
4. You and I both know, as people who understand what the press really is, that it doesn't matter "how you tell the story." They could turn "Little Red Riding Hood" into "Vicious Bestiality Gang Rape By African American Wolf." It doesn't matter what you write about the SR. They probably won't even read it. They'll simply get a brief overview of the subject matter and form an opinion on it without even reading what you have to say, and then they will report. And you and I both know damn well what they would report.
The status quo is here to stay, and you trying to get your position across to someone cupping their ears to everything but the word "drugs" is going to be a god damn waste of time. But the worst part about it is you would be doing monumental damage to our thing here, simultaneously. Maybe you just want the money and the limelight; maybe you truly have a principled interest in this story; maybe both. But the best way is to keep your mouth shut to the outside world, which will only ridicule and condemn you for what you are.
P.S. Sorry I couldn't make it short and sweet.
TL;DR
Write the book!
I'm sick of hearing the argument that press is bad. Everyone that can do anything about SR (FBI, etc) has already heard about it... Strength in number my friends
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SR gets underground press from sites that get 1000 hits a day, and maybe a 5-second mention on national news. At the rate it's going, in five years....it will still be a nothing on the national scale.
I'm writing a book. DPR is aware of it and has been as supportive of this endeavour as he has been of my other work :)
This is monumentally foolish, for several reasons. I will list them numerically, because a coherent paragraph-separated argument doesn't seem to have any advantages on this forum, where all anyone does is skim-read. So hopefully I can make this short and sweet. And also you will have a convenient way to respond to each point in a 1,2,3 format.
1. SR does not need more press. Press could be anywhere from neutral to bad for SR, never good. I think we can both agree on this (despite the reality that SR DOES get press).
2. Just because DPR gives his/her/its blessing for an action, does not mean that action is the best course of action. As far as I know, DPR (whether it be a collective or one man/woman), is human, or comprised of human beings. Human beings have been known to be imperfect in several ways, especially when they are involved in criminal activities. You need only look very briefly into the several, diverse anals of organized crime. Though DPR is our leader here on the SR, I would not go so far as to use him as an authority on what the possible impacts on SR's future could be from a widely-distributed printed work.
3. Let us say your work does very well. Tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people buy it. Perhaps you even get press yourself (and therefore SR gets press, which is neutral/bad). You've just informed, say, 100,000 more people about the road that never knew about it before, and if it ever gained social media diffusion, you're talking millions. The average person walking the streets today knows nothing of SR (not including these tight-knit groups of drug users and their associates). Why would you want to change that? I'm for freedom of speech, but it's tricky in a reckless context. A story like SR's is just waiting for the right jumping-off point to become major news (major news would be bad for SR). Who doesn't love a mysterious delocalized drug-trafficking operation that has the ability to effectively evade LE?
4. You and I both know, as people who understand what the press really is, that it doesn't matter "how you tell the story." They could turn "Little Red Riding Hood" into "Vicious Bestiality Gang Rape By African American Wolf." It doesn't matter what you write about the SR. They probably won't even read it. They'll simply get a brief overview of the subject matter and form an opinion on it without even reading what you have to say, and then they will report. And you and I both know damn well what they would report.
The status quo is here to stay, and you trying to get your position across to someone cupping their ears to everything but the word "drugs" is going to be a god damn waste of time. But the worst part about it is you would be doing monumental damage to our thing here, simultaneously. Maybe you just want the money and the limelight; maybe you truly have a principled interest in this story; maybe both. But the best way is to keep your mouth shut to the outside world, which will only ridicule and condemn you for what you are.
P.S. Sorry I couldn't make it short and sweet.
I gave you a +1 for taking the time to write a lengthy and well thought-out post. :) I disagree with your assessment of the damage a book can do, however.
1. Silk Road is already on the radar of millions, not thousands, of people. Every mainstream western-world newspaper has covered it numerous times from every angle. From my articles, which examine SR as a 'better way' to purchase drugs for those who will do so anyway, to the tabloids 'Won't somebody think of the children' angle. There are also regular TV reports on SR.
I'm not sure where in the world you are from, but where I am, SR is already big news. And the average man in the street DOES know about it.
2. Unlike my pieces for the press, which can be edited with no input from me, the book has to be 100% approved by me.
3. Unlike news, a book is not current. Because of the very nature of book publishing, by the time it comes out, the whole of SR will have moved on six months from when the last word was written. I'm pretty sure there are teams of investigative journalists around the world right now trying to 'uncover' the owners of this site and preparing for an 'explosive' scoop. That's not my angle. I'm more fascinated about what underground markets mean in a post-prohibition, post-border, global economy. I need to tell the story that will stand the test of time.
4. I've already been ridiculed and condemned for my views on drugs and online drug markets ;) http://www.vexnews.com/2013/01/dark-webs-they-weave-drug-dealers-lawyer-blames-fairfax-writer-for-hooking-him-up-with-drug-site/
Again, thanks for taking the time to make your points, all of which have validity.
x Eiley