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Title: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 05, 2013, 12:53 pm
What should I get on here? I use opiates, but I'd rather not use heroin to sleep. I'd rather use it for pain while I'm awake, and for the high.

Benzos really don't help me sleep. I've tried so many. Temazepam doesn't work either. I haven't tried Etizolam, but if 1mg = 10mg of diazepam, well, I've had a gram of diazepam and barely slept....

Is there anything else you guys have tried successfully? My insomnia is very severe. Nothing natural works (including marijuana). So, suggesting Valerian Root, or even melatonin, is pointless.

Any of you in the same boat as me? >_< I wish I could sleep...

I'd love to hear success stories of meds... I'm looking through SR, and I just can't decide on anything. =/

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: AussieMitch on June 05, 2013, 01:27 pm
Benzos really don't help me sleep. I've tried so many. Temazepam doesn't work either. I haven't tried Etizolam, but if 1mg = 10mg of diazepam, well, I've had a gram of diazepam and barely slept....

Please don't ever eat a gram of Diazepam man, that is a ridiculous dose, like 100-200 tablets.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is literally no effective long-term chemical solution for insomnia. I have tried every drug under the sun for sleeping, and it always follows the same pattern. At first you sleep great, then you need to increase the dosage, more and more regularly until the drug doesn't even knock you out anymore. I saw a bunch of doctors and tried a bunch of illegal solutions as well, but it wasn't until I saw a sleep specialist that I learned this wasn't the right way to fix my insomnia.

You can't control when you go to sleep, however you can control when you wake up. The only long-term solution to insomnia is to set a really loud alarm (or 2-3 alarms if necessary) and wake up at the same time every morning, no matter how tired you feel. Even if you can't sleep at all just stay awake the whole day until the next night and try again. You will feel terrible and tired as fuck for up to a week, but if you do this you will eventually start feeling tired and falling asleep at a regular time each night. It is pointless and futile worrying about how to make yourself sleep, and the stress of trying will just keep you awake. The trick is to just accept that you can't control this and concentrate on the other side of the equation!
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 05, 2013, 01:40 pm
Benzos really don't help me sleep. I've tried so many. Temazepam doesn't work either. I haven't tried Etizolam, but if 1mg = 10mg of diazepam, well, I've had a gram of diazepam and barely slept....

Please don't ever eat a gram of Diazepam man, that is a ridiculous dose, like 100-200 tablets.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is literally no effective long-term chemical solution for insomnia. I have tried every drug under the sun for sleeping, and it always follows the same pattern. At first you sleep great, then you need to increase the dosage, more and more regularly until the drug doesn't even knock you out anymore. I saw a bunch of doctors and tried a bunch of illegal solutions as well, but it wasn't until I saw a sleep specialist that I learned this wasn't the right way to fix my insomnia.

You can't control when you go to sleep, however you can control when you wake up. The only long-term solution to insomnia is to set a really loud alarm (or 2-3 alarms if necessary) and wake up at the same time every morning, no matter how tired you feel. Even if you can't sleep at all just stay awake the whole day until the next night and try again. You will feel terrible and tired as fuck for up to a week, but if you do this you will eventually start feeling tired and falling asleep at a regular time each night. It is pointless and futile worrying about how to make yourself sleep, and the stress of trying will just keep you awake. The trick is to just accept that you can't control this and concentrate on the other side of the equation!

I know 1g is horribly excessive, but the LD50 is so low I have no fears. I would rather sleep. I've only taken a dose that high once. It didn't work, so it's pointless to continue.

But see, in order to wake up, you have to sleep. I have been known to frequently stay awake for over five days in a row without even a nap. No, I do not use stimulants. I do not even use caffeine or sugar.

One cup of coffee and I WILL be awake for at least 6-8 days. I do not know what to do. v_v I guess I will just start using heroin to sleep twice a week. Better than staying awake for a whole week.

The only drug I know of in America is Lunesta (eszopiclone), but my insurance won't cover that (pretty much the only damn drug it doesn't cover... for real? -___-), so I've never tried it, but as it's basically as strong as Ambien, I don't even care to. Zopiclone isn't approved in the USA, but why bother with that when we have eszopiclone anyway, which is still pointless.

Meh.

Thanks for the quick reply. Really appreciated. Here's hoping someone has a random beneficial cure in some odd drug. =/ Imagine if I had a paradoxical reaction to meth and it made me sleep instead? Hahaha....

But for example, I've been awake for over 80 hours now... Think I'll insufflate a bag or two of deez's heroin and try to sleep. Sleep doctor appointment tonight. Again. Pointless seeing that girl, lol.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 05, 2013, 02:12 pm
I have troubles off and on with insomnia as well.  Fortunately for me benzos do work as well as ambien.  Oxazepam really knocks me out.  Benzos are not all the same so I wouldn't rule all of them out for you just because valium didn't work.  However, they will be habit forming and you don't want to get yourself addicted to benzos for sleeping either so I wouldnt recommend going that route for a long term solution.

One thing that oddly works for me (something you probably don't want to hear) is getting sober.  After a week break for me from weed, alcohol, caffeine, and any other substances I start sleeping really well usually once again.  I can never stay this way forever but it can be worth it just for a few nights sleep every once in a while.

Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: StExo on June 05, 2013, 02:23 pm
If you want something short term, ambien might work, it did for me when I really needed to get a good nights rest. I use modafinil as soon as I wake up in the morning so  I'm alert throughout the day which usually powers me down towards the end of the day too so has a knock-on effect. Good exercise, discipline, regular times going to bed and removing electrical fields away from your head (ie, phones, iPads etc) can also help a lot.

Some friends have also used GHB to help them ease into sleep but it's only good for getting you to sleep and doesn't solve much if you keep waking up as you'll need to redose in the night which isn't a good idea given the dose-response curve of GHB so best ask an expert like BlueGiraffe before following my advice on that.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 05, 2013, 02:31 pm
I'm really interested in trying Oxazepam, hooby. I'm not entirely ruling them out, but I have been on a few. Ativan, Xanax, Klonopin, Valium, Restoril, and then the non-benzodiazepine Ambien.

StExo, I've been really interested in GHB. I asked BG a question about it, but I think I'll ask here too:

Is it at all like alchol? I'm allergic to it, and other than that, I HATE the effects because of the nausea. Will I have to worry about any of that with GHB? If not, I'm buying it today.

Thank you, guys. Thank you.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: zxydwx3 on June 05, 2013, 02:51 pm
Zopiclone works for me if I only take it periodically. I develop such a tolerance so fast that I really limit when I take it. I sort of work shift work so I have a messed up schedule which often makes it impossible to get a decent recent.

I've found that keeping your bedroom /sleeping area tidy and predictable helps. Wear a mask. Use earplugs. Be cautious with opiate use to sleep. I'd rather deal with the tiredness than increase my opiate use to where I'm nodding, ymmv of course.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: thyme on June 05, 2013, 05:18 pm
What AussieMitch said, many times over.

I am curious to hear what sleep medicine had to say. Did she do a PSG/sleep study?

If you're awake 80 straight hours without stimulants, if you're using opioids, the other thing that occurs to me is the possibility of microsleeps (from lack of slow-wave sleep and/or direct opioid effect), then being 'off-cycle' and being unable to sleep. That's when something for wakefulness might make sense, but the sleep eval would be required.
Given your reaction to caffeine, etc., it seems like you might be more sensitive to sleep changes than the average critter.
Opioids are toxic to sleep architecture, so piling them on for sleep is likely to backfire.  I'm assuming you and sleep med already talked about this, though.

Just heaping different stuff on for sleep, when you haven't been able to induce sedation with a heroic dose of benzodiazepine, is unlikely to work.

What are you doing while you're up for 5 straight days without any interruption?


http://www.aasmnet.org/jcsm/Articles/030106.pdf
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Forty-two healthy subjects were examined with polysomnography after a bedtime dose of placebo, sustained-release morphine sulfate (15 mg), or methadone (5 mg) on each of 3 different nights in a double-blind multiple crossover study in a sleep laboratory in the General Clinical Research Center at an academic medical center. Results: Both opioid drugs significantly reduced deep sleep and increased stage 2 sleep (both p < .01); neither had an effect on sleep efficiency, wake after sleep onset, or total sleep time.
Conclusions: Single doses of oral opioid medications can significantly affect sleep architecture in healthy adults, and observed reductions in slow-wave sleep following opioid administration may have important implications for the pathogenesis of opioid-use related fatigue.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2125.1981.tb01120.x/abstract
(older abstract but good description, look around, you'll find newer)
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1 This study was performed because dose-related effects of heroin on human sleep had not been described previously, and to discover if heroin produces a morphine-like insomnia. 2 After three adaptation nights, the sleep of seven male nondependent opiate addicts was studied following i.m. doses of heroin (3, 6, 12 mg/70 kg), morphine (10, 20 mg/70 kg) or placebo at weekly intervals in a randomized double-blind crossover design. 3 Heroin produces a dose-related increase in wakefulness, drowsiness episodes, muscle tension, and shifts in sleep- waking states. 4 Heroin produces a dose-related decrease in total sleep, sleep efficiency, delta sleep and REM sleep (REMS). 5 Heroin is about twice as potent as morphine in producing this type of insomnia. 6 'Morphine insomnia' appears to be a characteristic initial effect of several opioids, at least in nondependent opiate addicts, and might serve as a model insomnia for evaluation of hypnotics.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: grdr on June 05, 2013, 07:26 pm
fake pills ? how the hell did you eat a gram of diazepam and hadn't slept ?
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: Moon Fried on June 05, 2013, 08:51 pm
You're fucking cooked dude...

and no etizolam won't put you to sleep, expect to go on a black out rampage.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: ChemCat on June 05, 2013, 08:54 pm
Maybe some seroquel to sleep :o
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: Moon Fried on June 05, 2013, 08:58 pm
Maybe some seroquel to sleep :o

>some

By the looks of it, he's gunna need a couple bottles.

Okay, I'm done teasing you Taffy. :P
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: hemolyzer on June 05, 2013, 10:00 pm
Seroquel is the first drug that came to mind when I read the title.

OP have you been to a doctor? You mentioned something about your insurance.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: nuggets5 on June 05, 2013, 10:03 pm
Let's first talk about you diet, exercise...


Then let's talk about what narcotics you are on


Then we can try to figure out the best solution for you man.


Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: b0lixtrader on June 05, 2013, 10:24 pm
30mg of Temezapam will knock you out for sure.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 05, 2013, 10:39 pm
30mg of Temezapam will knock you out for sure.

This one works for me as well.  Bromazepam too.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: gtgeorgz on June 05, 2013, 10:51 pm
Man, you should completely eliminate ALL drugs from your life for a while, substances will only provide a short term solution.
The only long term solution is to be active during the day, e.g go for a run, go to gym, go on walks, go and see your friends, go on a bike ride etc.. this is the key for a good nights sleep, trust me. The more energy you burn off during the day, the more rest you need.
Then when it comes to night time, set yourself a sleeping time of say, 11pm. Make sure you attempt to sleep from this time everyday.
Set your alarm from the same time everyday as well, 8 hours is the optimium amount of sleep for most people so set your alarm for 7am, and make sure you get up at this time everyday. Without fail. This will sort your body clock out.
Improve your diet by eating more vegetables and fruit, with less junk and processed food. Start taking mulitivitams. This will sort your insomnia within a few weeks at the most if you keep it.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: flwrchlds9 on June 05, 2013, 11:00 pm
+1 gtgeorgz - this is what we think.

not to give you some rehab shit talk, but EXERCISE.

Regular high aerobic excercise for 30min + a day or 4 out of 7 days WILL make an amazing improvement in your sleep, life, feeling and happiness.

Sounds like BS but you WILL notice.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 05, 2013, 11:24 pm
Here are the meds I've tried:

Diazepam, clonazepam, temazepam, lorazepam, alprazolam, seroquel, trazodone, and more I'm sure.

I can't exercise due to health issues, but I do what I can (leg excersies inside, walking as often as I can). I know a LOT about medication (and the chemistry of it), it's just that I simply can't find anything beneficial.

No, 30mg of temazepam doesn't work. 300mg doesn't even work. My thoughts travel at the speed of light and the only way to slow them down is with opiates. My sleep archetecture was fucked even before I started drugs. I started drugs FOR my sleep. I'm prescribed 120 10mg pills a month, and I get more on here. It does WONDERS for my anxiety (and I mean WONDERSSSSS), but nothing for my sleep.

While awake, I usually work on my organic chem work and screw around on my iPad. I will take a few bumps of heroin to slow my brain down every once in a while, but I don't often take enough to even get close to nodding.

I've never tried bromazepam, but with the doses of benzos I'm taking, I am really iffy on whether or not they will work. I'm solely taking 40mg of diazepam a day now because I see no reason to take more. I'm using it for anxiety ONLY pretty much, since it will not help me sleep.

I still think I'm going to test GHB. Hopefully that'll help. If I could even sleep one or two days a week, I'd be so happy.

I've been on a LOT of different antipsychotics looking for sleep. I've been on every single atypical antipsychotic except Godeon, and I've been on haloperidol too. Nothing works for me.

I can't get a sleep study because my insurance won't cover it. I was just in to see the doctor about it today. I can take higher doses of heroin, and that helps me sleep, but I don't want to go down that path. I like where I'm at now. I have no opiate addictions or dependences. If I do that, I WILL become dependent on heroin and I do not want that.

Thanks for all of the suggestions, guys.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: flwrchlds9 on June 05, 2013, 11:51 pm
I can't exercise due to health issues, but I do what I can (leg excersies inside, walking as often as I can). I know a LOT about medication (and the chemistry of it), it's just that I simply can't find anything beneficial.

did not know from your post. best of luck with your health issues.

GHB will get you to sleep but you might jump awake 4 hours later and have to re-dose as said earlier. And tolerance builds.

maybe doctor can help with a sleep study. try trazadone has helped others.

good luck!
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 05, 2013, 11:58 pm
I can't exercise due to health issues, but I do what I can (leg excersies inside, walking as often as I can). I know a LOT about medication (and the chemistry of it), it's just that I simply can't find anything beneficial.

did not know from your post. best of luck with your health issues.

GHB will get you to sleep but you might jump awake 4 hours later and have to re-dose as said earlier. And tolerance builds.

maybe doctor can help with a sleep study. try trazadone has helped others.

good luck!

Reread the list of medications I've tried. :P And yeah, I apologize for not being clearer up front. I do have some serious health issues that inhibit me from doing specific things, which is why my case is rather unique. Four hours of sleep is enough for me. I could go for three days, easy, on four hours of sleep. I wouldn't even NEED to redose.

Ok. I'm getting GHB. Thank you so much. I hope this works.


I'll be giving .1 BTC to each person who suggested GHB if it works.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: Ben on June 06, 2013, 12:49 am
GHB might work - i suppose its worth a try as long as you are aware of the risks.

Just one thing i'm curious about: You seem to have tried a lot of prescription and illicit substances to help you sleep. How do you react to good old alcohol, as in drinking a bottle of vodka? Does that knock you out at all?

Obviously i would not suggest drinking a bottle of vodka every night just to be able to sleep, but on the other hand it seems worth trying just to see if it works at all at least once. Also, it should not be combined with any other sedatives like benzo's for safety reasons, but despite all that it would be interesting.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 06, 2013, 12:56 am
I cannot have alcohol. Even a single shot of vodka will make me barf. I THINK I said that in the OP, but I'm not 100% sure. My reactions to medications are very weird. I've tried pretty much everything available in America EXCEPT Lunesta, and Lunesta isn't going to work where everything else failed.

I'm thinking of getting some GHB from BlueGiraffe and trying roughly 1-2g a night and see if that relaxes me enough to help me sleep.

Also, I'm pretty sure I understand the risks of GHB, but could you reiterate, if you have the time? If not, I will go search the clearnet. Thank you, Ben.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: Ben on June 06, 2013, 01:33 am
I did not see you could not use alcohol at first glance, but if you cannot, its clearly an option that is not available. The upside is that you do not need to worry about alcohol-drug interactions either.

The risks of GHB are fairly well documented on clearnet, though accidental death without the combination of alcohol is very rare.

It would be an interesting drug to try though: Since you seem insensitive to benzodiapines, it could be that your GABA-A receptors are for some reason different, while the GABA-B ones may be completely normal and hence sensitive to the effects of GHB. Determining anomalies in these receptors would be a very costly endeavor though, as it would probably require genetic analysis.

Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 06, 2013, 01:41 am
I did not see you could not use alcohol at first glance, but if you cannot, its clearly an option that is not available. The upside is that you do not need to worry about alcohol-drug interactions either.

The risks of GHB are fairly well documented on clearnet, though accidental death without the combination of alcohol is very rare.

It would be an interesting drug to try though: Since you seem insensitive to benzodiapines, it could be that your GABA-A receptors are for some reason different, while the GABA-B ones may be completely normal and hence sensitive to the effects of GHB. Determining anomalies in these receptors would be a very costly endeavor though, as it would probably require genetic analysis.

A better test, in my opinion, would be to just spend $55 on some GHB. Haha. I think I will do that. And yes, I fully understood the dangers of GHB then. I figured there might've been something I wasn't sure of that you knew. Alcohol + GHB = stupidity.

GHB, however, I'm excited for. I love salty flavored things, and I enjoy salt water actually. So it'll be nice to put in a glass of water and sip before bed. Thank you for the suggest, guys. I really hope it works, and I will be handing out those BTC the morning after if it works.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: thegalactica420 on June 06, 2013, 05:39 am
I'm really interested in trying Oxazepam, hooby. I'm not entirely ruling them out, but I have been on a few. Ativan, Xanax, Klonopin, Valium, Restoril, and then the non-benzodiazepine Ambien.

StExo, I've been really interested in GHB. I asked BG a question about it, but I think I'll ask here too:

Is it at all like alchol? I'm allergic to it, and other than that, I HATE the effects because of the nausea. Will I have to worry about any of that with GHB? If not, I'm buying it today.

Thank you, guys. Thank you.
The affects are some what similar to alcohol but its unlikely you would be allergic to you. Your body produces its own so its near impossible. GHB is really your best option, it will put absolutely anyone to sleep even narcoleptic's. Its also the only drug that will let you go through your natural sleep cycles so it will be quality sleep. If you only use it for sleep you will not become dependent but maybe psychologically addictive. What StExo said about having to redose is true depending on the dose you will wake up in about 3-4 hours but a redose will put you back to sleep. As for none GHB options a very sedating hypnotic benzo like nitrazepam, flunitrazepam, lomtrezepam, or a higher dose of temazepam might help. If all else fails buy the strongest barbiturates you can find on SR.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: TylerDurdensPenis on June 06, 2013, 06:08 am
There are drugs that will make you sleep. But your doctor will not prescribe them to you.

Take enough phenobarbital, and you will sleep like you are in a coma (you basically are). Phenobarb actually allowed me to sleep through a good portion of MAJOR opiate withdrawal - and sleep is something that just doesn't happen during WD.

The "twilight" drugs they give you before surgery can put anyone to sleep. I LOVE me some fucking Versed! Propofol, the drug that killed Michael Jackson, would do it. He had extreme insomnia too, that's why he was taking it. But no doctor is going to prescribe Propofol for insomnia. Well, no doctor that is not being paid millions by a Hollywood superstar, that is.

There is a bodybuilding supplement called Phenibut that I adore. If you take a couple grams of it, you will sleep like a baby. You'll also have really vivid dreams, which I like. Phenibut actually gets you extremely fucked up if you take enough. I take a couple/few grams of it, but it's different for everyone. It's a lot like GHB, but lasts longer and to me is a lot more pleasurable. It comes on really slowly, though. It won't exactly knock you out - you just get really tired a couple hours after taking it, and want to go lay down. And you go to sleep pretty easily (it takes me hours to go to sleep if I don't take anything).

There are plenty of drugs you can try instead of getting addicted to heroin. I forgot what you posted that you have already tried, but Ambien should let you go to sleep if you don't already have a tolerance to it. Lunesta works well, too. But those drugs will only work for a while. There's Trazadone, Mirtazapine, Seroquel (I believe that enough Seroquel can knock out anyone - it takes a lot more for some people than others, but if you just keep upping the dose eventually you will turn into a zombie and pass out on the kitchen floor). I'm currently taking Mirapex for Restless Legs Syndrome, and it makes me pretty drowsy (I'm a serious insomniac as well. I've been up for about 36 hours as of right now. But I'm taking my Mirapex, some Lyrica, and some beta blockers, and I'll be down pretty soon and for a good while. So just keep asking your doc to up your doses or try something new. The way doctors work is that you have to try all the stuff they give you. And if you give it an honest shot and it doesn't work, they'll give you something else. If you keep taking what they prescribe but nothing works, they will move on to more hardcore drugs. But you have to try all the other ones first. If you keep on trying what they give you and it doesn't work, it is possible that your sleep doc will eventually (I mean waaay down the line) prescribe you some kind of industrial strength med like Phenobarbital, or maybe even some Tramadol or low dose Buprenorphine or something. Depends on how cool your doctor is. They have the power to prescribe stuff "off label" and will if needed. Just keep working with your doc and doing what he says. He knows how destructive insomnia is, and he'll keep trying until you get better. But you have to give all the mild stuff a chance first.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 06, 2013, 06:58 am
Mirtazapine! Remeron. Yes, I've tried that too. 15-45mg, nothing. I've been up to 600mg of Seroquel, nothing. I know there are drugs that are guaranteed to put me to sleep, but I don't see them on SR.

I might just try some barbiturates if the GHB doesn't work. Do you have a suggested vendor? When I was going through severe Xanax withdrawal, the only thing that would put me to sleep was high dose oxymorphone.

I use opiates for pain, SEVERE pain (another reason why I'm awake. I cannot sleep with this pain). Heroin, while addicting, is worth it to me. Not only do I love it and use it "responsibly" (if you can call using heroin at any dose responsible. Granted, it is still in use in the UK as diacetylmorphine. It IS a good drug), but it simply works.

Thank you for your suggestions. Much appreciated. I never would have considered Phenobarbital. Barbs are just so old that I totally spaced them. Good to know I have a few more options. Thanks Tyler.

And yeah, I will continue to work with my doctor. Currently, they don't want me to take anything. I've tried everything and, in their words, "Anything else would be to destructive."

Yes, well, I think being up for 5+ days is quite a bit more destructive, wouldn't you say? When I get to 6~7 days I'm almost dead, at 8 days I actually FEEL dead. I haven't been up more than that.

I would love to try Propofol, and reading about MJ's death, I kept thinking "Damn, I want some of that...", but I wouldn't feel safe on it alone. GHB or Phenobarbital it is.

We shall see. Also, I've tried Tramadol and every opiate they'll prescribe. The stronger opiates work. Benzos do not. 30mg temazepam or 300mg, it's not going to put me to sleep. The most I've taken is 10 30mg capsules, but it affected me the same as 1. *sigh*
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: thegalactica420 on June 06, 2013, 07:26 am
Mirtazapine! Remeron. Yes, I've tried that too. 15-45mg, nothing. I've been up to 600mg of Seroquel, nothing. I know there are drugs that are guaranteed to put me to sleep, but I don't see them on SR.

I might just try some barbiturates if the GHB doesn't work. Do you have a suggested vendor? When I was going through severe Xanax withdrawal, the only thing that would put me to sleep was high dose oxymorphone.

I use opiates for pain, SEVERE pain (another reason why I'm awake. I cannot sleep with this pain). Heroin, while addicting, is worth it to me. Not only do I love it and use it "responsibly" (if you can call using heroin at any dose responsible. Granted, it is still in use in the UK as diacetylmorphine. It IS a good drug), but it simply works.

Thank you for your suggestions. Much appreciated. I never would have considered Phenobarbital. Barbs are just so old that I totally spaced them. Good to know I have a few more options. Thanks Tyler.

And yeah, I will continue to work with my doctor. Currently, they don't want me to take anything. I've tried everything and, in their words, "Anything else would be to destructive."

Yes, well, I think being up for 5+ days is quite a bit more destructive, wouldn't you say? When I get to 6~7 days I'm almost dead, at 8 days I actually FEEL dead. I haven't been up more than that.

I would love to try Propofol, and reading about MJ's death, I kept thinking "Damn, I want some of that...", but I wouldn't feel safe on it alone. GHB or Phenobarbital it is.

We shall see. Also, I've tried Tramadol and every opiate they'll prescribe. The stronger opiates work. Benzos do not. 30mg temazepam or 300mg, it's not going to put me to sleep. The most I've taken is 10 30mg capsules, but it affected me the same as 1. *sigh*
I really think GHB is your best option, your body's natural response to a big enough dose is a very deep fully cycle sleep. Will you still be taking any opiates with it? Start with 2 grams and work your way up by .5g until you find the dose that puts you right to sleep. It will probably be 3-4.5g maybe a little more since you seem to have weird reactions.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 06, 2013, 07:35 am
Mirtazapine! Remeron. Yes, I've tried that too. 15-45mg, nothing. I've been up to 600mg of Seroquel, nothing. I know there are drugs that are guaranteed to put me to sleep, but I don't see them on SR.

I might just try some barbiturates if the GHB doesn't work. Do you have a suggested vendor? When I was going through severe Xanax withdrawal, the only thing that would put me to sleep was high dose oxymorphone.

I use opiates for pain, SEVERE pain (another reason why I'm awake. I cannot sleep with this pain). Heroin, while addicting, is worth it to me. Not only do I love it and use it "responsibly" (if you can call using heroin at any dose responsible. Granted, it is still in use in the UK as diacetylmorphine. It IS a good drug), but it simply works.

Thank you for your suggestions. Much appreciated. I never would have considered Phenobarbital. Barbs are just so old that I totally spaced them. Good to know I have a few more options. Thanks Tyler.

And yeah, I will continue to work with my doctor. Currently, they don't want me to take anything. I've tried everything and, in their words, "Anything else would be to destructive."

Yes, well, I think being up for 5+ days is quite a bit more destructive, wouldn't you say? When I get to 6~7 days I'm almost dead, at 8 days I actually FEEL dead. I haven't been up more than that.

I would love to try Propofol, and reading about MJ's death, I kept thinking "Damn, I want some of that...", but I wouldn't feel safe on it alone. GHB or Phenobarbital it is.

We shall see. Also, I've tried Tramadol and every opiate they'll prescribe. The stronger opiates work. Benzos do not. 30mg temazepam or 300mg, it's not going to put me to sleep. The most I've taken is 10 30mg capsules, but it affected me the same as 1. *sigh*
I really think GHB is your best option, your body's natural response to a big enough dose is a very deep fully cycle sleep. Will you still be taking any opiates with it? Start with 2 grams and work your way up by .5g until you find the dose that puts you right to sleep. It will probably be 3-4.5g maybe a little more since you seem to have weird reactions.

Hm, I don't think I will take opiates with the GHB. I would be too worried about the sedation. Heroin already sedates me enough, but I would rather enjoy the high instead of use it to sleep, you know? Plus, I can't afford oxy, and the only place I can get drugs is on SR (no clue how to do it in real life...).

Thank you for the dosage directions. I'll try just that. I truly hope this works. If it causes any sort of mental addiction, I don't give a single fuck. Not even half of a fuck. If it works, then hello, I'm going to be addicted to it anyway!

Haha.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: thegalactica420 on June 06, 2013, 07:46 am
Mirtazapine! Remeron. Yes, I've tried that too. 15-45mg, nothing. I've been up to 600mg of Seroquel, nothing. I know there are drugs that are guaranteed to put me to sleep, but I don't see them on SR.

I might just try some barbiturates if the GHB doesn't work. Do you have a suggested vendor? When I was going through severe Xanax withdrawal, the only thing that would put me to sleep was high dose oxymorphone.

I use opiates for pain, SEVERE pain (another reason why I'm awake. I cannot sleep with this pain). Heroin, while addicting, is worth it to me. Not only do I love it and use it "responsibly" (if you can call using heroin at any dose responsible. Granted, it is still in use in the UK as diacetylmorphine. It IS a good drug), but it simply works.

Thank you for your suggestions. Much appreciated. I never would have considered Phenobarbital. Barbs are just so old that I totally spaced them. Good to know I have a few more options. Thanks Tyler.

And yeah, I will continue to work with my doctor. Currently, they don't want me to take anything. I've tried everything and, in their words, "Anything else would be to destructive."

Yes, well, I think being up for 5+ days is quite a bit more destructive, wouldn't you say? When I get to 6~7 days I'm almost dead, at 8 days I actually FEEL dead. I haven't been up more than that.

I would love to try Propofol, and reading about MJ's death, I kept thinking "Damn, I want some of that...", but I wouldn't feel safe on it alone. GHB or Phenobarbital it is.

We shall see. Also, I've tried Tramadol and every opiate they'll prescribe. The stronger opiates work. Benzos do not. 30mg temazepam or 300mg, it's not going to put me to sleep. The most I've taken is 10 30mg capsules, but it affected me the same as 1. *sigh*
I really think GHB is your best option, your body's natural response to a big enough dose is a very deep fully cycle sleep. Will you still be taking any opiates with it? Start with 2 grams and work your way up by .5g until you find the dose that puts you right to sleep. It will probably be 3-4.5g maybe a little more since you seem to have weird reactions.

Hm, I don't think I will take opiates with the GHB. I would be too worried about the sedation. Heroin already sedates me enough, but I would rather enjoy the high instead of use it to sleep, you know? Plus, I can't afford oxy, and the only place I can get drugs is on SR (no clue how to do it in real life...).

Thank you for the dosage directions. I'll try just that. I truly hope this works. If it causes any sort of mental addiction, I don't give a single fuck. Not even half of a fuck. If it works, then hello, I'm going to be addicted to it anyway!

Haha.
Okay thats a good call and will make dosing it easier. If used responsibly and not 24/7 its a very safe drug and if used right can be used long term with some 2-3 week breaks. If your in the US i strongly recommend the vendor FOREVERJUNG, his stuff is very easy to dose because its a carefully dose liquid and his shipping is the best i have seen by alot. Multiple seals and very carefully packaged.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 06, 2013, 08:07 am
I would rather go with BlueGiraffe, UK or not, simply because it's not in liquid form, and it's Na-GHB not K-GHB. (Or is Jung's the sodium salt too?)

Either way, I do not want liquid for many reasons. I want the pure powder myself. Much more accurate dosing and quality is more easily judged. Thank you for the recommendation.

I don't plan on using it 24/7, I plan on simply using it for sleep. Based on your suggestion for 2-3 week breaks, how many days in a row can I likely use it in your opinion? I will judge for myself when I get it, of course, but something to work off of is always beneficial.

Thank you, guys.
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: thegalactica420 on June 06, 2013, 09:31 am
I would rather go with BlueGiraffe, UK or not, simply because it's not in liquid form, and it's Na-GHB not K-GHB. (Or is Jung's the sodium salt too?)

Either way, I do not want liquid for many reasons. I want the pure powder myself. Much more accurate dosing and quality is more easily judged. Thank you for the recommendation.

I don't plan on using it 24/7, I plan on simply using it for sleep. Based on your suggestion for 2-3 week breaks, how many days in a row can I likely use it in your opinion? I will judge for myself when I get it, of course, but something to work off of is always beneficial.

Thank you, guys.
No its K-GHB, I have heard alot of good things about bluegiraffe but i have never used him so i cant speak personally on that. I think either would be perfectly fine i just always try to avoid customs. I think you should be able to go for 1-2 months maybe more between breaks. You should start slowly maybe do your taper up without any breaks until you find the right dose. If you were able to taper within two weeks than stay on that dose for another week, stop for 2 weeks and go back to just below what you found to work like .5-1 g and than if that works stay with it, other wise taper up again but it should be within 1 gram from your first successful dose. Than go back on the working dose for one month with 2 one day breaks just to make sure you dont get any withdrawal symptom at all. Take a one week break and than go for two months or so. Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions and i wish you the best of luck!
Title: Re: Kind of a unique situation. Looking for a VERY powerful sleep drug.
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 06, 2013, 09:40 am
I would rather go with BlueGiraffe, UK or not, simply because it's not in liquid form, and it's Na-GHB not K-GHB. (Or is Jung's the sodium salt too?)

Either way, I do not want liquid for many reasons. I want the pure powder myself. Much more accurate dosing and quality is more easily judged. Thank you for the recommendation.

I don't plan on using it 24/7, I plan on simply using it for sleep. Based on your suggestion for 2-3 week breaks, how many days in a row can I likely use it in your opinion? I will judge for myself when I get it, of course, but something to work off of is always beneficial.

Thank you, guys.
No its K-GHB, I have heard alot of good things about bluegiraffe but i have never used him so i cant speak personally on that. I think either would be perfectly fine i just always try to avoid customs. I think you should be able to go for 1-2 months maybe more between breaks. You should start slowly maybe do your taper up without any breaks until you find the right dose. If you were able to taper within two weeks than stay on that dose for another week, stop for 2 weeks and go back to just below what you found to work like .5-1 g and than if that works stay with it, other wise taper up again but it should be within 1 gram from your first successful dose. Than go back on the working dose for one month with 2 one day breaks just to make sure you dont get any withdrawal symptom at all. Take a one week break and than go for two months or so. Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions and i wish you the best of luck!

It's my first international order. I figured might as well try it now, and I didn't want K-GHB, I want Na-GHB. Thank you for your help, friend. I'll shoot you a PM if I have any questions for sure. Thanks!