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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: Nyaruko on May 27, 2013, 10:55 pm
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I'm running low on funds at the moment and am going to consider starting to re-sell large MDMA purchases to turn some potentially large profit, but I have never done any form of dealing before so I am calling out for help, any information is highly appreciated.
The way I look at it and based on the connections I have, I've got two choices. I either sell in larger quantities to small dealers (10g, 25g, 50g) where all trades would be set up by a friend of mine, or I would sell in small quantities (1g at a time) to users, which I think would be riskier in the sense that I would gain a reputation and would have to travel more often. On the flip-side, if I trade larger amounts and am caught I would be in a monumentally larger amount of trouble with the law.
Any tips?
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take that friend of yours. and put him on the front. build a family on loyalty and $$$$
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Guess it depends a little bit on how much product you have? If you have 500+ grams probably selling to middle dealers is the go, otherwise if less than a couple hundred grams I'd just go for selling to users for greater profitability.
You may want to look at the local laws where you are to see if selling grams compared to 20 grams makes for a different penalty. You may even be better off making your own caps and selling those.
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if you can trust your guy I agree with seafront, if you dont trust him completely 100% start off small - you will make a larger profit and eventually you will probably meet someone who will want to buy in bulk
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I don't know where in the country you are, but a while ago when I was near street level (I never actually was a street dealer) I'd have 6 friends and I'd credit them all with say 10g each as their quota. If they sold all of it I gave them 20% of what they sold as profit and if they sold less then 10% of profit as a motivation to go the extra mile to sell (yes they could cheat me short term but long term it would be expensive for them to do so as street dealers aren't always the brightest sparks). Anyway, they returned their money at the end of the week by which time I'd restock them. Occasionally, they'd introduce another guy who I'd sell 30g to and I'd give my dealer 5%. It's a bit risky and sure 1 or 2 of the dealers just ran off with the stuff never paying me back but good riddance, I don't want to work with people who cheat me for short term gain when they could make more money in the long term if they stay loyal and stick through it. Three of them are still with me now and are much higher level dealing so it goes to show their loyalty paid off.
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Thanks for the replies.
@seafrog92; I think that would probably be the best idea, but I don't want to get into this too heavily, hopefully it will be a single-summer endeavour.
@kneotac; I'd probably be consider selling around a total of 200g of MDMA throughout this entire summer, provided I sell to small scale dealers. Locally, people are willing to buy 25g of high-purity MDMA for around £750-£800. I would be very elaborate in my proceedings, I'd like to think I wouldn't get easily caught.
@titsmcgee123; I definitely do trust him, so that shouldn't be an issue. Although I probably would make a larger profit selling on an individual basis, I don't think I can be bothered with the hassle.
@StExo; That's a plausible method of distributing, however I don't have any people I know/could trust that would carry this out. However if you have any other tips specific to carrying through with large trades I'd really appreciate it.
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i used to sell coke and pot, in bulk and to a few end users (ONLY friends!). pretty much all of it applies here:
first port of call whichever you decide, bulk or small: get a throwaway phone. do ALL of your business on this. turn it off when you are done for the night or you will get calls at 3am from gurning wrecks expecting you to be up and still sort them out. soon as someone you don't want rings you on it, find out who gave them the number, then throw the whole thing away (in a river/furnace/something that completely DESTROYS it) and get another, then give your new number to everyone except the fucker thats giving your number out. when you run into him again either explain if he does it again he's going to get hurt or you don't do it any more.
don't keep ANYTHING in the house, no powder/crystals, no cash, no bags/wraps and no scales. i used to pay someone £100 a week to keep my LOCKED box around there house, so they couldn't pinch a bit if they got tempted. a lockable cash box is what i used. only visit this house once a day, and at least stay for 1 cuppa so you're not just in and out of there (looks sus) - i used to weigh out all my bits there and chuck her a coupla lines for the trouble. if you sell out do not be tempted to go back on the same day.
DON'T serve up in pubs or clubs - you get frisked/pulled by dogs on the door you are FUCKED. Don't deal from your car - you don't need customers knowing what you drive - i've had a customer drive past me and point me out to his boss before saying 'i get my gear off them'. he forgot he had another of my customers in the back seat. needless to say he didn't after i found that out. don't deal from your house. do i really need to elaborate on this one?
if you meet customers in their house park in the next street and try to not just rush in and out. this looks incredibly sus
once you have a customer base you're happy with explain the rules - you don't go into busy areas with your gear, you'll see them before they go out or not at all.
once you have a decent customer base don't take any more on, unless you've met them before (with nothing on you) and you have at least 2 existing customers that can vouch for them.
try to organise your work nights into one big run - you'll see customer 1 at 6.45, cust. 2 at 7, cust 3 at 7.30. basically try to make sure you've got nothing on you for more than 2 hours a night. drop the cash at your drop the next day when you pick your next lot of deliveries up. will save hours of going backwards and forwards in the long run
don't tic. ANYONE.
DON'T cut your product if you want them coming back.
Don't deal with dickheads - any muppet that doesn't know the meaning of subtle will not be worth the £50/£100/whatever you earn from them
if you're going to be late, text the customer as soon as you know you aren't going to make it on time.
dont tell ANYONE (apart from if they work for you) what you are doing. don't tell ANYONE AT ALL how much you're earning.
don't underestimate the authorities - despite most people on here saying they are thick as 2 short planks, they DO know what to look out for. a lot of them are a bit dim, but some are right on the ball.
don't be surprised to shit yourself every time you see/hear a siren or a squad car - i haven't dealt to end users for a few years now and i can still spot them a mile off.
if you only have 200g for the whole summer i would stick to selling to end users; if you're getting that sort of $ for under an ounce you're going to get a much higher markup selling g's, and 200g goes surprisingly quickly.
be safe mate
/lecture
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i used to sell coke and pot, in bulk and to a few end users (ONLY friends!). pretty much all of it applies here:
first port of call whichever you decide, bulk or small: get a throwaway phone. do ALL of your business on this. turn it off when you are done for the night or you will get calls at 3am from gurning wrecks expecting you to be up and still sort them out. soon as someone you don't want rings you on it, find out who gave them the number, then throw the whole thing away (in a river/furnace/something that completely DESTROYS it) and get another, then give your new number to everyone except the fucker thats giving your number out. when you run into him again either explain if he does it again he's going to get hurt or you don't do it any more.
don't keep ANYTHING in the house, no powder/crystals, no cash, no bags/wraps and no scales. i used to pay someone £100 a week to keep my LOCKED box around there house, so they couldn't pinch a bit if they got tempted. a lockable cash box is what i used. only visit this house once a day, and at least stay for 1 cuppa so you're not just in and out of there (looks sus) - i used to weigh out all my bits there and chuck her a coupla lines for the trouble. if you sell out do not be tempted to go back on the same day.
DON'T serve up in pubs or clubs - you get frisked/pulled by dogs on the door you are FUCKED. Don't deal from your car - you don't need customers knowing what you drive - i've had a customer drive past me and point me out to his boss before saying 'i get my gear off them'. he forgot he had another of my customers in the back seat. needless to say he didn't after i found that out. don't deal from your house. do i really need to elaborate on this one?
if you meet customers in their house park in the next street and try to not just rush in and out. this looks incredibly sus
once you have a customer base you're happy with explain the rules - you don't go into busy areas with your gear, you'll see them before they go out or not at all.
once you have a decent customer base don't take any more on, unless you've met them before (with nothing on you) and you have at least 2 existing customers that can vouch for them.
try to organise your work nights into one big run - you'll see customer 1 at 6.45, cust. 2 at 7, cust 3 at 7.30. basically try to make sure you've got nothing on you for more than 2 hours a night. drop the cash at your drop the next day when you pick your next lot of deliveries up. will save hours of going backwards and forwards in the long run
don't tic. ANYONE.
DON'T cut your product if you want them coming back.
Don't deal with dickheads - any muppet that doesn't know the meaning of subtle will not be worth the £50/£100/whatever you earn from them
if you're going to be late, text the customer as soon as you know you aren't going to make it on time.
dont tell ANYONE (apart from if they work for you) what you are doing. don't tell ANYONE AT ALL how much you're earning.
don't underestimate the authorities - despite most people on here saying they are thick as 2 short planks, they DO know what to look out for. a lot of them are a bit dim, but some are right on the ball.
don't be surprised to shit yourself every time you see/hear a siren or a squad car - i haven't dealt to end users for a few years now and i can still spot them a mile off.
if you only have 200g for the whole summer i would stick to selling to end users; if you're getting that sort of $ for under an ounce you're going to get a much higher markup selling g's, and 200g goes surprisingly quickly.
be safe mate
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Much appreciated. Great post.
I think I should start with getting a license first! It will make things a lot easier. Definitely true about sticking around for a while since the UK is camera ridden, even near houses sometimes. It would look suspicious to be constantly coming in and out on a regular basis.
I'll consider all of this before making any real decisions. Thanks buddy.
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I'm running low on funds at the moment and am going to consider starting to re-sell large MDMA purchases to turn some potentially large profit, but I have never done any form of dealing before so I am calling out for help, any information is highly appreciated.
The way I look at it and based on the connections I have, I've got two choices. I either sell in larger quantities to small dealers (10g, 25g, 50g) where all trades would be set up by a friend of mine, or I would sell in small quantities (1g at a time) to users, which I think would be riskier in the sense that I would gain a reputation and would have to travel more often. On the flip-side, if I trade larger amounts and am caught I would be in a monumentally larger amount of trouble with the law.
Any tips?
be smart never keep it in your house bury it same with the money
get a spare phone
give to people who you feel will keep their mouth shut i often say the longer you keep your mouth shut the longer i'll keep giving you it.
build up a clientele then offer them bulk
when you get a circle of customers dont get greedy stick to them and only them you need a "circle of trust"
then when you get this nice little circle operating well and they will want to start making money back at that point offer them bulk.
golden rule DONT GET GREEDY its great having 50 customers but 9/10 times 20+ are going about letting slip who it come from. before you know it youre known as the guy who can get real good products not a reputation you want now is it?
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before you know it youre known as the guy who can get real good products not a reputation you want now is it?
well yeah actually - how you gonna sell if you're not known to have great gear? as long as the name is only linked to a phone number - i forgot a couple of points, don't use your real name when you are in business. just make something up, not something stupid, something believable like 'kev' or 'andy'
and don't shit where you eat - this might be a bit difficult if you ain't driving but ideally you don't wanna be dealing in a 5 mile radius to where you live. if you do have a trustworthy mate with a motor give him £20 a night to ferry you around to your drops - i did this when i was banned. you got to trust this guy though, and don't count your earnings while he's driving you to your next drop - that £20 a night can easily turn into £50 if he sees the paper
and amen to that camera comment - bastards. another reason why you stay out of town when sorting shit out
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If you're afraid of some idiot trying to take your stuff, then this isn't for you. When I started low supplying dealers, I had a stab proof vest. Cost a fair bit back then but a worthy investment with 2 failed attempts to stab me occurring in the months after buying it as people generally go for the body shots with knives since they rarely want to kill you so won't go for the head and they don't hit the arms.
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man you must live in a shit part of the uk, i never had that problem. never even occurred to me i might get robbed, biggest (in fact only) worry was the gendarmes. saying that round these parts if you sell drugs you're seen as someone not to fuck with
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man you must live in a shit part of the uk, i never had that problem. never even occurred to me i might get robbed, biggest (in fact only) worry was the gendarmes. saying that round these parts if you sell drugs you're seen as someone not to fuck with
Unfortunately the opposite way around, it was a very affluent area and generally the scum of the world didn't go into that area as it wasn't where we sold anyway - don't shit where you eat principle. However, word got out as to I was in the guy in charge and some scumbags started trying to find me from a shithole part of London *Cough Hackney Cough* in my own area. Never found my address but both times they seen me unprotected they tried mugging me and it turned bad. Dumb asses didn't seem to realise I never carried the cash on me anyway, another guy took all the product and money in a locked box for me to another location and when I wanted to collect the profits I went to that place, I never took cash directly home after a night out "supervising" the dealers.
Moral of the story: Even if you live in a very expensive area, scumbags will still try to find you if they hear you've got big wads of cash. But I still to this day don't know how that information got out.
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before you know it youre known as the guy who can get real good products not a reputation you want now is it?
well yeah actually - how you gonna sell if you're not known to have great gear? as long as the name is only linked to a phone number - i forgot a couple of points, don't use your real name when you are in business. just make something up, not something stupid, something believable like 'kev' or 'andy'
and don't shit where you eat - this might be a bit difficult if you ain't driving but ideally you don't wanna be dealing in a 5 mile radius to where you live. if you do have a trustworthy mate with a motor give him £20 a night to ferry you around to your drops - i did this when i was banned. you got to trust this guy though, and don't count your earnings while he's driving you to your next drop - that £20 a night can easily turn into £50 if he sees the paper
and amen to that camera comment - bastards. another reason why you stay out of town when sorting shit out
read what i said i said get a close tight clientele you dont want known by word of mouth as the guy who can get great gear before you know it everyone knows people you dont want knowing and you got people coming to bump you of your profits seen it happen so read what i said its the idiots guide to starting dealing.
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Read books, and watch documentaries, about life in prison,
so you have a clear idea of what you're risking.
... perhaps that will stop you becoming blasé and sloppy.
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Buy pills, find festival, profit. It's a piece of piss.
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man you must live in a shit part of the uk, i never had that problem. never even occurred to me i might get robbed, biggest (in fact only) worry was the gendarmes. saying that round these parts if you sell drugs you're seen as someone not to fuck with
Unfortunately the opposite way around, it was a very affluent area and generally the scum of the world didn't go into that area as it wasn't where we sold anyway - don't shit where you eat principle. However, word got out as to I was in the guy in charge and some scumbags started trying to find me from a shithole part of London *Cough Hackney Cough* in my own area. Never found my address but both times they seen me unprotected they tried mugging me and it turned bad. Dumb asses didn't seem to realise I never carried the cash on me anyway, another guy took all the product and money in a locked box for me to another location and when I wanted to collect the profits I went to that place, I never took cash directly home after a night out "supervising" the dealers.
Moral of the story: Even if you live in a very expensive area, scumbags will still try to find you if they hear you've got big wads of cash. But I still to this day don't know how that information got out.
that sucks man, must have been someone in your circle knew you were making a pretty penny and tipped off some rude bois for a slice of it. wankers. did you find out who put em up to it?
read what i said i said get a close tight clientele you dont want known by word of mouth as the guy who can get great gear before you know it everyone knows people you dont want knowing and you got people coming to bump you of your profits seen it happen so read what i said its the idiots guide to starting dealing.
it doesn't matter how 'close knit' your clientele is, at end user level someone is always going to say something - if your gear is good, it doesn't matter how much you say 'keep it quiet', your name will get passed around. especially when people are wasted. it would be quite naive to think otherwise. did you read what happened to StExo above? and that wasn't even dealing with end users. unless you sell or have sold drugs in the past you talk, you just don't realise how much you could fuck someones life up by talking. it's genetic, we're social creatures and we like to look good - in these circles knowing someone who bangs out decent gear makes us look good so we talk about it. i did it when i was at school and i'm sure most others did too. so you learn from this experience don't you; use a fake name, a throwaway phone number and get the fuck out of your hood to make money to distance yourself as much as possible
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Thanks for all the other replies guys, everything's been taken into account.
I was thinking of possibly getting a gun since I'd be making pretty large trades and it wouldn't be surprising if I was at some point put in danger. I'm not sure if that's the best approach though.
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Thanks for all the other replies guys, everything's been taken into account.
I was thinking of possibly getting a gun since I'd be making pretty large trades and it wouldn't be surprising if I was at some point put in danger. I'm not sure if that's the best approach though.
imo, as soon as you mix drugs and guns you're in too deep.
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Raoul Duke is spot on through this. I ran an extremely tight ship, literally I had dealers who met me on time, all the time and never had any bullshit excuses so if they lost product, they made up for it with their own cash or wage deduction and if they had problems or concerns they'd let me know, it was a clear line of communication which I encouraged so I could always be up to date with what word on the street was as it can feed very useful intel.
Even in those circumstances somebody either sold me out which I have not yet found out who it was or indeed whether this was even the case, or one of the people who worked for me lost a phone/piece of paper or something which pointed to me and he didn't realise he lost it although I did tell them never to write my name or number down, memorise it and only take very brief, cryptic notes which are hard to read or shoulder surf if they absolutely have to.
These days, nothing has changed, I run a tight ship except with more money, power and status as I have moved up the chain and can have a security team check street dealers for vulnerabilities (ie, they pose as a customer and try to get info from the dealer about me, follow them etc to see how they cope) and if we have a problem, it will be dealt with swiftly and with a firm response so it's rare somebody will say something concerning to a 3rd party because the dealers realise we have stooges constantly testing them now.
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Thanks for all the other replies guys, everything's been taken into account.
I was thinking of possibly getting a gun since I'd be making pretty large trades and it wouldn't be surprising if I was at some point put in danger. I'm not sure if that's the best approach though.
No guns, that is asking for trouble. Body armour though - definitely a worthy investment, but make sure it can withstand at least a standard handgun caliber and has stab/slash protection. You can get outerwear jackets with built in armour and then wear an additional vest under a shirt for double protection, the first knife hit I got went through the outer armour as it was only a low grade protection which I used as a double up and weak protection for all body parts (it stops an air rifle if they're stupid enough to try that, I've seen it happen) but the covert vest is where the real protection is but it only protects vital organs, but it certainly stopped a big knife going into my gut.
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Yeah stay away from weaponry altogether mate, it'll end up with you either in prison or in the ground. If its only Mandy I wouldn't worry too much about shithead customers, it's generally hard drugs where it can turn nasty
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Ah right, just wondering Exo, what happened after the failed stab attempts? Did they still try to snatch your gear? I'm curious.
Thanks Raoul, you're probably right haha.
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Ah right, just wondering Exo, what happened after the failed stab attempts? Did they still try to snatch your gear? I'm curious.
Thanks Raoul, you're probably right haha.
I hit him in the face. He fell to the ground unconscious, I called the police to report an attempted murder and he went to prison. Police found it unusual I wore stab proof protection but all I had to say was I was concerned with the rise in knife crime (there were huge TV campaigns on at the time about it) and living in an affluent area I felt I was an easy target so took precautions. :)
Second attempt was just after picking up some cash off one of my main guys and I was walking back to my car which was about 200m from the location. En route the guy came from behind and tried to jab me in the back of the shoulder with a blade between 5 and 7 inches, looked like a cheap knife but still pretty sharp and would easily dig into your shoulder without protection. It just hit the armour and sunk a little bit, never really touched me but felt the force of it and stumbled forward, the guy let go of the knife (intentionally or not I don't know, maybe it got jabbed because it was really rammed in) and I decided to break my fall by landing on his legs at an odd angle as he went down. Stopped the fucker running alright. At which point the 2 security guys and 1 guy delivery the cash to me seen what happened, ran over and dragged him away, for which they told me they just put him in the car, dropped him off at a hospital after taking a photo of his ID so if he said anything to police/medical staff he'd be screwed. Never had any police attention on the matter so I assume he made up something like he fell or whatnot.
So lessons are get good armour, keep your wits about you, don't carry product - ever and if you think somebody is following you, get in a public place as I made the bad mistake of going back through quiet residential streets when there was a main road 20m away with police patrols every few minutes and a lot of CCTV. First occasion I was searched by the police and obviously holding the dude to the floor I couldn't make off to ditch something if I had any product on me, so it was lucky I had nothing on me at the time other than maybe £300-£400 carry cash, a few bank cards, ID etc. Nothing out of the usual other than covert body armour which I had a good excuse for.
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Buy pills, find festival, profit. It's a piece of piss.
This is stupid. It's not, but it is if you get me...
I wouldn't bother selling at a festival now.. But me and a mate did it before.
We took a Kilo of MDMA in with us, and sold every single bit of it for 60GBP a G.. The quality was good and y'know festival prices allowed us to go a little higher.
We were stunned! I would go about the campsites finding customers and tell them where to go to get the gear, my friend would sell it. IT WAS STUPID AS FUCK, and I'm surprised we weren't caught but we made a lot of money.
Don't think anyone tried to rob us as there was about 8 roid heads sitting in camp chairs round the tent it was all in. Seeing 8 guys that abuse roids is fairly intimidating.
Not something I suggest doing, but it was fun at the time!
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man you must live in a shit part of the uk, i never had that problem. never even occurred to me i might get robbed, biggest (in fact only) worry was the gendarmes. saying that round these parts if you sell drugs you're seen as someone not to fuck with
Unfortunately the opposite way around, it was a very affluent area and generally the scum of the world didn't go into that area as it wasn't where we sold anyway - don't shit where you eat principle. However, word got out as to I was in the guy in charge and some scumbags started trying to find me from a shithole part of London *Cough Hackney Cough* in my own area. Never found my address but both times they seen me unprotected they tried mugging me and it turned bad. Dumb asses didn't seem to realise I never carried the cash on me anyway, another guy took all the product and money in a locked box for me to another location and when I wanted to collect the profits I went to that place, I never took cash directly home after a night out "supervising" the dealers.
Moral of the story: Even if you live in a very expensive area, scumbags will still try to find you if they hear you've got big wads of cash. But I still to this day don't know how that information got out.
that sucks man, must have been someone in your circle knew you were making a pretty penny and tipped off some rude bois for a slice of it. wankers. did you find out who put em up to it?
read what i said i said get a close tight clientele you dont want known by word of mouth as the guy who can get great gear before you know it everyone knows people you dont want knowing and you got people coming to bump you of your profits seen it happen so read what i said its the idiots guide to starting dealing.
it doesn't matter how 'close knit' your clientele is, at end user level someone is always going to say something - if your gear is good, it doesn't matter how much you say 'keep it quiet', your name will get passed around. especially when people are wasted. it would be quite naive to think otherwise. did you read what happened to StExo above? and that wasn't even dealing with end users. unless you sell or have sold drugs in the past you talk, you just don't realise how much you could fuck someones life up by talking. it's genetic, we're social creatures and we like to look good - in these circles knowing someone who bangs out decent gear makes us look good so we talk about it. i did it when i was at school and i'm sure most others did too. so you learn from this experience don't you; use a fake name, a throwaway phone number and get the fuck out of your hood to make money to distance yourself as much as possible
use a fake name? unless you're a hermit and no one knows you then you've no chance of pulling off a fake name the first people to offer stuff to would be friends and associates lol, close knit clientele works start with petty amounts then give that up let everyone know youre out and done with that then keep no more than 10 people to regularly buy bulk off you that you know you can trust generally friends that you have known for a while that do keep their mouth shut, that in reality is more realistic than starting some alias with a fake name
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Worked for me for years mate, although I was pretty lucky - everyone's got nicknames ain't they? Well after I did one particular thing my mates put a spin on my nickname which made it something completely different, and I started using that for business. That way only the close mates could have made the connection and essentially there's someone new on the scene doing the rounds. And like I said before, I stayed away from my home town when I was selling. It's not that difficult
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I'm running low on funds at the moment and am going to consider starting to re-sell large MDMA purchases to turn some potentially large profit, but I have never done any form of dealing before so I am calling out for help, any information is highly appreciated.
The way I look at it and based on the connections I have, I've got two choices. I either sell in larger quantities to small dealers (10g, 25g, 50g) where all trades would be set up by a friend of mine, or I would sell in small quantities (1g at a time) to users, which I think would be riskier in the sense that I would gain a reputation and would have to travel more often. On the flip-side, if I trade larger amounts and am caught I would be in a monumentally larger amount of trouble with the law.
Any tips?
No offense but as you have stated you haven't ever dealt drugs before I think you are trying to run before you can crawl. Dealing is not one of those things that can be just walked into, you have to develop your instinct by working your way up, it's not just like running a fruit and veg distribution business, it's a fucking jungle out there. I would recommend if you are going to do it do it via SR because it'll keep you safer. I'm sure you're a cool guy but I always think if you have to ask these sorts of questions and don't know instinctively it's not for you.
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but I always think if you have to ask these sorts of questions and don't know instinctively it's not for you.
yeah this is a fair point
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Buy pills, find festival, profit. It's a piece of piss.
And it ain't a piece of piss lol, in fact it's anything but. I would say that 9/10 people who try dealing either break even or make a loss and quit within the first 6 weeks.
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suppose selling mandy or pot's a bit easier than coke though - you can only get through so much of your profits with those. with coke, then you need some REAL discipline. or a spare pair of kneecaps
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Oh yeah I'll give you that, and the people are easier to deal with too.
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I'd start of small and let the magic of word of mouth spread and people will begin to notice quality. Starting of small has benefits to, within that time frame you may find a minion who would go out and deal with your sales while you deal with bigger things. Raves, dubstep gigs, anywhere MDMA is used you will be at.
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The two lads I buy weed from are bait as fuck. Very rarely change cars or telephone numbers (one has had the same number for like 5 years) and when you call them they drive to wherever you are pull up, get a Tupperware box full of 1.5g bags out and hand you one out the window. Maybe if it's a particularly busy street they'll ask you to get in the car first. They do both use nicknames but that's about it! I know one of them sells mandy too but I've never bought that from him.
So it seems the police don't see it as a major priority, the main risk would probably be getting robbed and possibly beaten too. I suppose the thing to do would be not keep any product in your house and not let anyone you don't trust get in your car if you're gonna do it that way.
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First of all, if you are low on funds dealing is not the answer.
IME, people who depend on it as income tend to be a little riskier, and not have the ability to "flush everything and drop it" if the time comes that that is necessarry. Don't depend on your dealing profits to live your life, it will bite you in the ass.
Other than that, set out rules and stick to them. Always.
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Thanks for all the other replies guys, everything's been taken into account.
I was thinking of possibly getting a gun since I'd be making pretty large trades and it wouldn't be surprising if I was at some point put in danger. I'm not sure if that's the best approach though.
I don't mean to sound rude or offensive but you're asking how to sell MDMA on here and you realistically think you have access to a gun in the UK? No way. A gun that won't do more damage to you then it will to others, that is.
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It seems to me that this thread has become a place for some of the most elaborate stories I've ever heard. 60 grand being made at festivals? Drug dealers writing paragraphs about the ridiculous safety precautions they took, and then profiling themselves to a stupid extent by giving away pretty much every detail about a court case? I call bullshit. Remember, Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.
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From 20 years experience, here is some knowledge I've gained
#1 - Positivity
My number one rule. Giving thanks for the opportunity to live the way I do, every day
#2 - Keeping yourself safe
This covers many aspects such as:
- Throw away phones
At any one time I have at least 3 phones ready to be used and take the place of an old one. They are a dime a dozen these days, and a must. They only contain the numbers of my business associates, and are never used for any other reason (not even to chat with my business partners) other than coordinating a transaction.
- Communication
I only deal with a few people (mid level people I guess you'd call them) and we arrange ways of communication face to face before anything else takes place. For example, when I have product in stock, the only message Ill send to them is one such as 'hey man, would you like to grab a bite to eat some time?'. From that one message, they will know the time and place (which we prearranged) to meet up. That one message is the only communication that will ever pass between us, unless a) they are under duress, in which case they will respond with something like 'yes', or b) they cant make it at that particular time, in which they'll respond with with something like 'no'.
Ive also found an invaluable practice is to lay down some ground rules for the people you sell to. Talk to them in confidence, and let them understand how you operate and how you would like them to operate for maximum joy and efficiency. This will be at your discretion, and whatever you consider aids you in staying safe.
- Choose your people wisely
I found out the hard way when I was very young, how much of a biggie this is. Do not sell to idiots. Do not sell to people that run their mouths (especially at gatherings, parties etc). Do not sell to people that have any kind of addiction or habit. Do not sell to people with gang affiliations. Do not sell to people that cant abide by your rules.
- Finger prints
For all packages that I pass on, I always bag everything up using gloves or at least make sure they are wiped down.
#3 - Get the money
Always get paid in cash, NO IOU'S. This of course is all circumstantial, and will be different with each person and situation, but as a general rule of thumb, always get paid - PRODUCT FOR MONEY. Out of my entire existence as a provider of goods for the last 20 years, people owing me money has caused the most frustration.
#4 - Don't get greedy
You are not a kingpin, gangsta, right hand man to a manufacturer or government agency, but are a regular person (or so I'm assuming) trying to eek out a little capital to make ends meet, help people along the way, and buy some toys. To lead such a life, you don't need that next big score, or the final score that will set you up for life. Keep it small, somewhat consistent, and things will go a lot smoother for you. 90% of the people Ive witnessed who have been greedy and try to go big, have ended up in jail or worse. Its just not worth it unless you have many factors on your side. Keep it simple, less is more.
All of these things are in no particular order come to think of it, as they are all integral in maintaining a solid enterprise.
Good luck out there!
PE
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I actually spoke to one of the aforementioned local dealers about this sort of thing yesterday. Apparently one of his friends got caught with over a kilo of weed in his car all bagged up into teenths and got a slap on the wrist, so that further reinforced my incline that the police don't really give that much of a shit when it comes to weed. More likely they'll do someone for it if they're already strongly suspected of other crimes, I reckon.
I'm considering doing something similar myself by ordering in bulk from SR and selling it on in smaller amounts (only to make a nice little extra on the side rather than having it as my only income) but for obvious reasons, I want to be as prepared as possible rather than learning as I go along!