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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: joeMan on May 13, 2013, 11:24 pm
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Hello,
Is it save to buy some ecstasy from a Netherlands seller? I live in Germany.
I fear that the package gets opened. - I know that the police is controlling/searching for drugs at the Netherlands/Germany border, because of the legality of weed in the Netherlands. Is it likely? Have you heard of such cases?
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I don't know about Germany, but generally within the EU we have a very good success rate apart from Sweden and Finland I believe. I've had 40+ deliveries to the UK from the Netherlands now and only had 1 go missing (no customs letter or anything of the like so it is possible it has been lost in the mail or the vendor screwed things up), most of them have been ecstasy pills or weed.
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anyone else from germany with experience?
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anyone else from germany with experience?
You should probably ask some vendors who ship from the Netherlands - CandyShop for example is a vendor who is from the Netherlands and I can personally vouch in saying he has possibly the best packaging on SilkRoad and I imagine Netherlands to Germany would be via land mail so less security checks.
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Hi,
I'm very interested in this as well. I talked to one dutch vendor about this and he told me that sending pills from the Netherlands to Germany is more difficult than even to the USA. He told me that with good stealth, about 10% of all shipments gets intercepted by German customs (small orders as well as bulk).
I made a small order to a save shipping address nevertheless, and it got through without problems. Stealth was very good but there was still room for improvement. Anyways, I think 10% is too high to order frequently or in large quantities.
I'm curious whether the success rate can be significantly increased if stealth is taken to an extreme level as described in various threads (i.e. http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion.to/index.php?topic=119458.0 ) and somehow maybe even beyond that.
Another issue is how German LE and customs tend to react once a package has been intercepted. What (quantities or other factors?) triggers a love letter, a controlled delivery and / or even a search warrant?
Maybe an established vendor or an experienced buyer could comment on this without revealing stealth methods.
In regards of the recent arrests in Germany ( http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=182012.0 ), we should all realize that security is the most important issue for everyone (!) and that we should try to minimize risk when and where ever its possible.
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I have now talked about this with several other established dutch xtc vendors and almost all of the assured me that sending pills from Holland to Germany is no problem at all and that as good as every shipment arrives without being intercepted if the stealth is good (small as well as bulk orders). I not really sure if that's true however...I guess I am going to give it a try using a very safe delivery address.
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Maybe there is someone with experience in this matter who would like to share?
It would also be interesting to know how German Customs and LE tend to react once an order is intercepted. Do they simply seize the package or do they also follow through with search warrants and arrest (regarding orders below 100 pills)?
Did that happen to someone ordering from the Netherlands?
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Maybe there is someone with experience in this matter who would like to share?
It would also be interesting to know how German Customs and LE tend to react once an order is intercepted. Do they simply seize the package or do they also follow through with search warrants and arrest (regarding orders below 100 pills)?
Did that happen to someone ordering from the Netherlands?
Ich denke mal da du so explizit nach deutschland fragts kommst du auch daher,
darum schreib ich jetzt mal auf deutsch meine Meinung.
Wenn die ein Päckchen abfangen sollten kommt es darauf an aus welchem Bundesland du kommst,
bist du Berliner dann wird dir unter 100 Pillen nicht viel Passieren.
Bist du ein Münchner dann kannst du dich darauf verlassen das sie dich behandeln wie einen Terroristen,
denn wer in Bayern Drogen nimmt gilt als höchst gefährlich!
Da gibts ja schon eine Hausdurchsuchung wenn du mit 1g Weed in einem Club erwischt wirst.
Das thread thema ist eigentlich genau das was mich gerade auch beschäftigt.
Alle Pillen Vendors aus Ger haben nicht gerade die besten bewertungen bzw mehr als genug fragwürdige,
für eine Bulkorder einfach zu viele.
Die einzigen die in meinen Augen das buissnes vernünftig betreiben sind die jungs aus NL aber ich trau mich nicht von da ne Bulkorder zu machen. :-[
Entscheidend für mich ist die benutzung der sog. MBB´s aber die hat auch nicht jeder.
Wenn du ne lösung gefunden hast bzw gute erfahrungen gemacht hast dann kannst mir gerne ne PM schicken,
würd mich über einen Tip freuen.
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It depends highly on the package. I am from East Europe and always affraid to ship form NL. I always try to get the best vendor to get the best stealth, but it doesnt always work out. Haven`t lost a single package though.
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to Fred:
do you really think it depends on the state that you live in? I mean, of course drug possession is punished and persecuted much more harshly in the south of Germany. However, if an order from the NL is intercepted it is handled by German customs first, right? Do they then always hand over the hole thing to the local police or do the custom officers decide weather to pursue the recipient or not?
I think you can safely buy bulk from some of the bigger german xtc vendors but most of the pills from the famous nintendo press or the Mortal Kombat press (both dutch) are rarely available and if they are then the prices are just way too high for bulk. The same goes for the German presses whose quality I did not have the opportunity to test (also since bulk prices are very high).
Furthermore, I dont know if the use of MBBs is enough to prevent interception but imo it should be standard for all international shipments from the NL.
to utnubu:
I agree that the best stealth is necessary in order to receive orders from the NL. I dont know how strict custom controls in eastern europe are compared to the german ones, however. Good to hear that you never lost a shipment. Aprox. how often did you order and what amounts , if you dont mind me asking?
Any other input on this topic is still much appreciated!
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to Fred:
do you really think it depends on the state that you live in? I mean, of course drug possession is punished and persecuted much more harshly in the south of Germany. However, if an order from the NL is intercepted it is handled by German customs first, right? Do they then always hand over the hole thing to the local police or do the custom officers decide weather to pursue the recipient or not?
that is an interresting question,
when they you catch during an transport from NL you get arrested where they catched you,
but the thing with post...
hm i dont know... I think they let it pass and give the local Police an Tip
I think you can safely buy bulk from some of the bigger german xtc vendors but most of the pills from the famous nintendo press or the Mortal Kombat press (both dutch) are rarely available and if they are then the prices are just way too high for bulk. The same goes for the German presses whose quality I did not have the opportunity to test (also since bulk prices are very high).
There are many Bulk supplier from NL with good prices
that is not the Problem.
Tell me one German supplier who can offer bulk and had REALLY and only good feedbacks like some NL vendors.
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I think it would be pretty save to order from SuperTrips or XTCEXPRESS, they both have lots of transactions as well as mostly positive feedback.
Which dutch vendor would you consider to be more trustworthy?
I think there will always be a few negative feedbacks after so many transactions (its the same on ebay).
Anyways, this is kind of interesting: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=191371.0
IMO the guy was pretty naive but it will be interesting how things turn out. Looks like he has to deal with customs directly instead of the police, well probably both. Dont know which EU country hes talking about but still...
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I think it would be pretty save to order from SuperTrips or XTCEXPRESS, they both have lots of transactions as well as mostly positive feedback.
Which dutch vendor would you consider to be more trustworthy?
I think there will always be a few negative feedbacks after so many transactions (its the same on ebay).
Anyways, this is kind of interesting: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=191371.0
IMO the guy was pretty naive but it will be interesting how things turn out. Looks like he has to deal with customs directly instead of the police, well probably both. Dont know which EU country hes talking about but still...
The most dutch vendors have no negative feedback in this forum but ST has a lot...
the link dont work ::)
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does anyone of you have good experiences with german vendors? i only want to order from german vendors because i'm from germany...i'm interested in ecstasy and also in heroin...thank you!
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to fred: yeah you might be right about ST but XTCXPRESS is all right I think...
the topic I wanted to show you was deleted by the OP. It was from some guy who always ordered X from the NL and thought it would be no problem since he lived in the EU as well (didnt say which country). After a couple of successful deliveries he now got a letter from customs that his order was intercepted and that he is required to make a statement at the customs office. I was curious how this would turn out and wrote a pm to the guy but never heard about the final consequences.
On the original topic: I think the chances of passing through customs without being intercepted is actually pretty high as long as the order is just a letter (not a package), MBBs are used, professional outside package (not handwritten or anything like that), real return adress is used, and that the receiving address is not flagged by LE or customs already.
Nevertheless, it is of course still possible that a shipment is intercepted even though all these measures were taken but the probability is just much lower.
I hope that someone on the road with access to empty apartments and/or houses will someday offer a re-ship service (for a fee of course) or something...I will put a detail request for that in the appropriate section one of these days.
to nucky: German vendors that I can recommend are Nightmare & Limitless Corp (inactive atm) for xtc, no clue about h
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SuperTrips is the German vender I would recommend. His feedback may not be perfect but his service is. He has his listings down right now but he will be back soon and my only complaint is I did not order as much as I should of.