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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: TheGoodSon on November 16, 2012, 10:37 pm
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I am looking to diversify my ring in Q2 of 2013 (early summer). I am currently looking for advice on where the most money is in drugs, be it hash, weed, opiates, coke.. etc. I have access to some of these.
Any advice is welcome. Thanks
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coke/mdma/lsd sale the best during the summer over here, probably be the same pretty much anywhere. Can't go wrong with any of them three, really...
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Oh, I misspoke, I meant as a continuing business.
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That's an easy question, pick whichever is the most addicting.
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Like any business, ask yourself:
a) can you source a better quality product and sell for higher price in a high end market?
b) source higher quantity and sell at a lower price in low end markets?
c) provide a product in a market that has high demand, but low supply (for a higher prices naturally)?
d) can you undercut an existing saturated/competitive market with either a lower price OR higher quality product at current market price
e) create a new market by sourcing a new product or one that is not easily available (such as Peyote)
These questions aren't based on the name of the drug. It's 1) what you can sell, 2) at what price and 3) to which market. Combine that into a strategy.
Research, source and don't follow the sheep.
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Like any business, ask yourself:
a) can you source a better quality product and sell for higher price in a high end market?
b) source higher quantity and sell at a lower price in low end markets?
c) provide a product in a market that has high demand, but low supply (for a higher prices naturally)?
d) can you undercut an existing saturated/competitive market with either a lower price OR higher quality product at current market price
e) create a new market by sourcing a new product or one that is not easily available (such as Peyote)
These questions aren't based on the name of the drug. It's 1) what you can sell, 2) at what price and 3) to which market. Combine that into a strategy.
Research, source and don't follow the sheep.
I know this, but I was just wondering if there was one class that was more profitable than others. I am not a drug user myself, so I apologize if I sound naive.
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Well profit margins are correlated to risk involved. higher risk = lower supply = higher profit margins
Coke + heroin are always safe bets in that respect.
The other driver of profit margins is how complicated manufacturing or acquiring precursor chemicals is. Such as LSD ergot, growing peyote cactuses and most pharma quality pills.
Pharmaceutical amphetamines (adderral/ritalin) probably has the best combination of high demand, high price and your customers are rich university educated white kids instead of the usual crackheads and junkies.
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Well profit margins are correlated to risk involved. higher risk = lower supply = higher profit margins
Coke + heroin are always safe bets in that respect.
The other driver of profit margins is how complicated manufacturing or acquiring precursor chemicals is. Such as LSD ergot, growing peyote cactuses and most pharma quality pills.
Pharmaceutical amphetamines (adderral/ritalin) probably has the best combination of high demand, high price and your customers are rich university educated white kids instead of the usual crackheads and junkies.
I'll look into heroin. Thanks for your help, when I get around to it, I'll make sure you're on the test list if you're into it.
+1'd you.
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Coke and Heroin profits can be crazy but your clientele is awful. Junkies will always try to pull on over on you. That being said, many dealers of those drugs are just as shady. If I were you, I'd stick to just trying the product when you get it(or have someone else test it). Don't become a habitual user and you won't have problems. The worst is junkie dealers trying to feed their habit =/
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Coke and Heroin profits can be crazy but your clientele is awful. Junkies will always try to pull on over on you. That being said, many dealers of those drugs are just as shady. If I were you, I'd stick to just trying the product when you get it(or have someone else test it). Don't become a habitual user and you won't have problems. The worst is junkie dealers trying to feed their habit =/
Well, to be honest, I've never done drugs.. I'm just looking to put my chemistry degree to work. :)
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Where is the money in drugs? Wherever the market dictates in your area. Do "market research" first, aka try all the drugs you can find and make note of pricing and availability. Find out what's least available, most desired, and which drugs have the greatest potential profit margin based on local prices compared to your SR costs. Be sure to include Bitcoin exchange fees and the potential for market fluctuations. Find out which vendors are consistently available and what their prices are. Do calculations using various vendors as well as trying out different prices for different quantities to see how much you can reasonably expect to make.
Then you gotta find capital...woo potential investors, rob old ladies, work the corner, etc.
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Where is the money in drugs? Wherever the market dictates in your area. Do "market research" first, aka try all the drugs you can find and make note of pricing and availability. Find out what's least available, most desired, and which drugs have the greatest potential profit margin based on local prices compared to your SR costs. Be sure to include Bitcoin exchange fees and the potential for market fluctuations. Find out which vendors are consistently available and what their prices are. Do calculations using various vendors as well as trying out different prices for different quantities to see how much you can reasonably expect to make.
Then you gotta find capital...woo potential investors, rob old ladies, work the corner, etc.
Front money is no problem, next summer or fall, I will start sales. thanks
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That's an easy question, pick whichever is the most addicting.
^^^
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Yea dude, the absolute best money any drug dealer will see is in the hard shit like blow( hard & soft), dope, and meth. Only those things will bring you a world of hurt beyond anything you can imagine. Im not going to go into detail unless you insist, but just know there really isnt long term money in hustling any drug unless your part of that 1% of drug dealers that do the right thing with their money when they have it. Cause the other 99% of them piss it away as fast as it comes or live hoodrich and end up broke after they pay their first lawyer.
If your going to do it, keep it light and happy. Only for living/spending and pocket money whilst working a legit job of any sort for your nest egg or savings. Goodluck!
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colleges; tourist hot spots. good luck.
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MDMA for those on SR. IRL not alot of people do MDMA, unless you go to raves or events.
Opiates are good, on SR, and IRL, but you need your own scripts from Pharm, that are cheap, then you flip that.
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That's an easy question, pick whichever is the most addicting.
this
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Really depends on what you can get cheap. There is a ton of money in coke if you can get it cheap, but then again if you can source MDMA cheaply then you can make profit whereas wee do good if you can get it cheaply. So thats your supply side in a nutshell.
As for demand.. being as you cant sell what you dont have access to, why not try selling what you can get and seeing what runs out quickly?
Its not rocket science.. if you have to ask then dealing is probably not for you.
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The most profitable business is LSD manufacture. At 10,000 doses per gram and a street price of $5 to $20 per dose, the street value is $50,000 to $200,000 per gram and a wholesale value of at least $10,000 per gram. No other drug gets that kind of bang for the cost of reagents and the work involved.
This guy is the only one with his head screwed on right in this thread. Dealing and distributing is fine but everything is chump-change compared to production (not just of LSD, any drug).
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The most profitable business is LSD manufacture. At 10,000 doses per gram and a street price of $5 to $20 per dose, the street value is $50,000 to $200,000 per gram and a wholesale value of at least $10,000 per gram. No other drug gets that kind of bang for the cost of reagents and the work involved.
This guy is the only one with his head screwed on right in this thread. Dealing and distributing is fine but everything is chump-change compared to production (not just of LSD, any drug).
I read a book on LSD production once.
Not only do you need a chemistry degree, but you need to be able to source industrial chemicals, which are themselves controlled substances.
Meth is supposed to be relatively easy to produce but pretty much everything else is outside of the scope of anyone who is posting the question on a forum.. if you have to ask, you cant do it anyway.
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The most profitable business is LSD manufacture. At 10,000 doses per gram and a street price of $5 to $20 per dose, the street value is $50,000 to $200,000 per gram and a wholesale value of at least $10,000 per gram. No other drug gets that kind of bang for the cost of reagents and the work involved.
This guy is the only one with his head screwed on right in this thread. Dealing and distributing is fine but everything is chump-change compared to production (not just of LSD, any drug).
I read a book on LSD production once.
Not only do you need a chemistry degree, but you need to be able to source industrial chemicals, which are themselves controlled substances.
Meth is supposed to be relatively easy to produce but pretty much everything else is outside of the scope of anyone who is posting the question on a forum.. if you have to ask, you cant do it anyway.
I'll do you a little list of the common drugs in terms of their difficulty to produce, top is easiest etc. The list assumes that you have access to all necessary precursors -
Amphetamine
Methamphetamine
Cocaine
Heroin
Mephedrone
MDA
MDMA/Ketamine
Complex phens/amphs (2C-series/DOx substances)
LSD
This is a very in your nutshell sort of list but it's about accurate.
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Amphetamines sure, but there is no way your producing cocaine and heroine from washing up liquid and bath salts so your not going to have access to the precursors.
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Amphetamines sure, but there is no way your producing cocaine and heroine from washing up liquid and bath salts so your not going to have access to the precursors.
If you read what I said it says that it assumes you that you have access to the materials to make it. In terms of difficulty Cocaine and Heroin are actually very easy to make because they aren't synthetic.
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Is LSD really that hard to make? Man... shows how much I know about chemistry...
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Amphetamines sure, but there is no way your producing cocaine and heroine from washing up liquid and bath salts so your not going to have access to the precursors.
If you read what I said it says that it assumes you that you have access to the materials to make it. In terms of difficulty Cocaine and Heroin are actually very easy to make because they aren't synthetic.
I did read what you wrote.
It says to assume that you have access to materials that are almost impossible to obtain, there is nothing relatively easy about producing Cocaine and Heroin if the materials required are almost impossible to get hold of.
Thats like saying the pyramids are relatively easy to build, assuming you can get hold of a supply of 10 ton stone blocks and a huge amount of labor.
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Actually you are dead-wrong regarding Coke. Coca leaves, tea and flour are pretty much readily available to buy if you know where to look. Opium you can make from growing your own poppies.
I wasn't talking about making it in a commercial setting either, I was talking about just doing small-scale reactions and the chemistry for both Cocaine and Heroin aren't hard at all. So drop the attitude, read what I am actually saying and check your facts. :)
And Dank, LSD is quite hard to make yes but what compounds the difficulty is the settings that it needs to be done in.
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Actually you are dead-wrong regarding Coke. Coca leaves, tea and flour are pretty much readily available to buy if you know where to look. Opium you can make from growing your own poppies.
I wasn't talking about making it in a commercial setting either, I was talking about just doing small-scale reactions and the chemistry for both Cocaine and Heroin aren't hard at all. So drop the attitude, read what I am actually saying and check your facts. :)
And Dank, LSD is quite hard to make yes but what compounds the difficulty is the settings that it needs to be done in.
Well if its that easy, knock me up a kilo by the end of next week.
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Actually you are dead-wrong regarding Coke. Coca leaves, tea and flour are pretty much readily available to buy if you know where to look. Opium you can make from growing your own poppies.
I wasn't talking about making it in a commercial setting either, I was talking about just doing small-scale reactions and the chemistry for both Cocaine and Heroin aren't hard at all. So drop the attitude, read what I am actually saying and check your facts. :)
And Dank, LSD is quite hard to make yes but what compounds the difficulty is the settings that it needs to be done in.
Well if its that easy, knock me up a kilo by the end of next week.
Give me £8000 and I will if you are that serious. :)
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Actually you are dead-wrong regarding Coke. Coca leaves, tea and flour are pretty much readily available to buy if you know where to look. Opium you can make from growing your own poppies.
I wasn't talking about making it in a commercial setting either, I was talking about just doing small-scale reactions and the chemistry for both Cocaine and Heroin aren't hard at all. So drop the attitude, read what I am actually saying and check your facts. :)
And Dank, LSD is quite hard to make yes but what compounds the difficulty is the settings that it needs to be done in.
Well if its that easy, knock me up a kilo by the end of next week.
Give me £8000 and I will if you are that serious. :)
If you were serious you'd be doing it already after all we know its profitable and you say its easy :)
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Lol you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I love how there are so many armchair Escobar's on SR nowadays and they can never back down when someone tries to inform them about something.
1. I have no interest in making or selling Cocaine, it's not an area that interests me.
2. The Chemistry for Coke isn't hard at all, please go and look at the readily available journals that can be found online and the techs that you can find online. All the materials can be pretty much found at a hardware shop and a petrol station.
3. Go and do some research and come back and tell me that I'm wrong and then make smart arse comments. :)
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Lol you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I love how there are so many armchair Escobar's on SR nowadays and they can never back down when someone tries to inform them about something.
"armchair Escobar" you're the one who's sat there telling everyone its easy! You even wanted me to give you 8K.
1. I have no interest in making or selling Cocaine, it's not an area that interests me.
I take it that's because of your deep-rooted hatred of money.
2. The Chemistry for Coke isn't hard at all, please go and look at the readily available journals that can be found online and the techs that you can find online. All the materials can be pretty much found at a hardware shop and a petrol station.
What petrol station do you use? I have never seen coca leaves at the petrol station, is it like a seasonal offer or something?
3. Go and do some research and come back and tell me that I'm wrong and then make smart arse comments. :)
I'm not saying your wrong, I'm saying you're talking out of your arse :)
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Chemistry interests me as much as salad interests Fern Britton. I'd be interested to know what sort of profit margins are made on LSD.
Dank
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I like how people think you have to have a degree to synth chemicals...I'm in the process of learning mda synth and as long as the reactions are explained in a dumbed down way, it's really not that hard to follow. All you really need is some basic knowledge of how shit works and as long you follow the guide, your good.
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I'm not saying your wrong, I'm saying you're talking out of your arse :)
Lol from what experience do you know this then? Go do the research and then when you realize you're wrong you can suck my dick instead of eating humble pie. :)
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I'm not saying your wrong, I'm saying you're talking out of your arse :)
Lol from what experience do you know this then? Go do the research and then when you realize you're wrong you can suck my dick instead of eating humble pie. :)
A few posts ago you were going to produce 1Kg for £8000
Ill give you £8 for 1g, essentially its just a tea made form materials available form your local petrol station.
Time to put up or shut up.
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Lim just went through a major project and is sitting on .... a fuck tonne of money just waiting to be sold (the Mephadrone he's made), it makes no sense for him to go head first into a synthetic operation of cocaine when he's already got a lot of other product to offload, probably enough to retire with.
I'm just sad his ultra-meph never reached me, I really did want to try it :( (he's an exceptional vendor though who gave a reship AND then a 100% refund when that didn't arrive ... for the record he's the ONLY vendor i've never received from, out of at least 70 orders ... which strikes me as odd, but like I said, he did give me a 100% refund with no arguments/fighting/etc.).
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Lim just went through a major project and is sitting on .... a fuck tonne of money just waiting to be sold (the Mephadrone he's made), it makes no sense for him to go head first into a synthetic operation of cocaine when he's already got a lot of other product to offload, probably enough to retire with.
I'm just sad his ultra-meph never reached me, I really did want to try it :( (he's an exceptional vendor though who gave a reship AND then a 100% refund when that didn't arrive ... for the record he's the ONLY vendor i've never received from, out of at least 70 orders ... which strikes me as odd, but like I said, he did give me a 100% refund with no arguments/fighting/etc.).
Feel free to try again Quinone, I will stick tracking/DCN on your order if you like if you wanted to give ordering another try. I did have some issues a while back but they are all resolved now.
But yeah you have basically hit the nail on the head with what you said but I'm working on other projects now anyway. :)
And yeah fine, put up or shut up, you want me to make Blow then pay me to do it. I'm not spending my cash just to prove you right you absurd little boy. Also Quinone it wouldn't be the synthetic route, it'd just be the bog-standard extraction and then conversion. I love how this complete ass-hat is just arguing the toss for the sake of it though without any real valid point of discourse. Like I said go away and do your research, you'll find that it's not hard to get the raw materials to make Blow and actually, people have talked about doing small-scale reactions on here on numerous occasions. Go and do some reading, actually learn about what you are trying to pontificate on and then come back and try again.
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If you are not near the production of drugs your are just wasting your time. The money made will not make up for all the other bullshit ( jailtime, lawyers, ruined relationships ) etc.
Freakanomics did a little blurb on it in their first book .. and its true.
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If you are not near the production of drugs your are just wasting your time. The money made will not make up for all the other bullshit ( jailtime, lawyers, ruined relationships ) etc.
Freakanomics did a little blurb on it in their first book .. and its true.
Freakanomics is a truly excellent read, +1 Fred. :)
But yes your statement is pretty much spot on.
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Lim just went through a major project and is sitting on .... a fuck tonne of money just waiting to be sold (the Mephadrone he's made), it makes no sense for him to go head first into a synthetic operation of cocaine when he's already got a lot of other product to offload, probably enough to retire with.
I'm just sad his ultra-meph never reached me, I really did want to try it :( (he's an exceptional vendor though who gave a reship AND then a 100% refund when that didn't arrive ... for the record he's the ONLY vendor i've never received from, out of at least 70 orders ... which strikes me as odd, but like I said, he did give me a 100% refund with no arguments/fighting/etc.).
Feel free to try again Quinone, I will stick tracking/DCN on your order if you like if you wanted to give ordering another try. I did have some issues a while back but they are all resolved now.
But yeah you have basically hit the nail on the head with what you said but I'm working on other projects now anyway. :)
And yeah fine, put up or shut up, you want me to make Blow then pay me to do it. I'm not spending my cash just to prove you right you absurd little boy. Also Quinone it wouldn't be the synthetic route, it'd just be the bog-standard extraction and then conversion. I love how this complete ass-hat is just arguing the toss for the sake of it though without any real valid point of discourse. Like I said go away and do your research, you'll find that it's not hard to get the raw materials to make Blow and actually, people have talked about doing small-scale reactions on here on numerous occasions. Go and do some reading, actually learn about what you are trying to pontificate on and then come back and try again.
Yeh I was more or less kinda skimming through Duckman's post's, he sounds like a prick and rubs me the wrong way lol so I just assumed he was talking about semi-synthetic route.
I think I will give you another shot, only reason I just left it after the refund was cuz it was a very small order and I was probably more of a burden to you then anything anyways cuz i'm sure you've got people lined up to buy $100s or $1000s worth of your Meph. and just didn't want to bother you with more shit (that and having 2 lost packages did up the paranoia meter for me a bit haha). I do appreciate the gesture from you to promote me giving you another shot and with tracking, and will likely take you up on it shortly :).
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Well if you do want to then I will look forward to hearing from you. :)
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Well if you do want to then I will look forward to hearing from you. :)
Already there :)
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Well if you do want to then I will look forward to hearing from you. :)
Already there :)
God damn that was quick!
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Well if you do want to then I will look forward to hearing from you. :)
Already there :)
God damn that was quick!
I'm a machine ! A drug buying machine !
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If you wanna make money with a long term investment, what about buying a bunch of salvia, nbome, benzo fury, AMT, and APB and keep them until either they get scheduled or importing them becomes banned. That should drive the price way the hell up.
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Buy mdma off sr 10g for $200, then sale $100 g's...$800 profit off a $200 investment not bad.....but of course this is small time......
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Buy mdma off sr 10g for $200, then sale $100 g's...$800 profit off a $200 investment not bad.....but of course this is small time......
do you mean selling on the streets?
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Buy mdma off sr 10g for $200, then sale $100 g's...$800 profit off a $200 investment not bad.....but of course this is small time......
do you mean selling on the streets?
Yes I do
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I'm not sure which part of my business model didn't translate, but I have no interest in selling dope (or anything) on the streets.
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I'm not sure which part of my business model didn't translate, but I have no interest in selling dope (or anything) on the streets.
If you're a skilled chemist MDMA is always a fun synthesis (well it is to me anyways).
Methamphetamine is the easiest synthesis, but if you're a skilled chemist this is moot.
If you're in this for profit and you're a skilled chemist then it comes down to which precursor's you can get access to and how much they will cost you. If you can get saffrole (or can get sassafras oil and steam distill it) then MDMA is your choice.
If you can get a lot of pseudoephedrine then Methamphetamine is your choice when it comes down to time spent to profit margin. You can make a variety of the 2C analogs with pseudoephedrine as well, though it's a few more steps to dimethoxylate the phenyl before you make whichever analog you choose. If you're looking just at the profit side then stick with methamphetamine.
You can do some fun stuff with morphine and it's analogs to make other (presumably more potent) morphine analogs.
It mostly comes down to which precursor you can get your hands on easiest and cheapest which drug will net you the most money. You do, however, have to take into consideration the equipment needed, but if you're a skilled chemist with a post secondary education on the subject getting a hold of the equipment is relatively trivial, the cost, however, all depends on what you choose to produce. To get a full lab set-up and to do it right isn't cheap so you'd need a plan and a commitment if you're in it to make money.
In other words, there's little advice anyone here can give you, it's a matter of what you can get access to that will determine which drug you choose to manufacture for profit.
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The money could be whatever you can get for cheap and sell for cheaper than other people. Find something lacking in your network, doesnt have to be the best prfoit margin but if it sells quick than go with it. Weed is where it's at for me, different for everyone though.
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I really appreciate the responses. It has given me a roadmap of sorts, I will keep my intentions under wraps for the time being until I have something formative to give to the community. Thanks to all who gave me good insight.
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MDMA for those on SR. IRL not alot of people do MDMA, unless you go to raves or events.
Opiates are good, on SR, and IRL, but you need your own scripts from Pharm, that are cheap, then you flip that.
Really? over the past few years I've seen the popularity of MDMA explode, just as the popularity of EDM events or 'raves' have, making MDMA in my experience the most frequently used illegal drug besides marijuana (this is in the USA btw). All kinds of people get rolls from me, many I would not expect...lots of people I know will not do LSD or mushrooms because of all the myths about each that they have heard all their lives and they think it will fuck them in the head permanently. .but these same people are frequently willing to roll....stupid I know....these fuckers are missing out and more importantly sadly mistaken about the actual harmful effects of drugs.
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MDMA for those on SR. IRL not alot of people do MDMA, unless you go to raves or events.
Opiates are good, on SR, and IRL, but you need your own scripts from Pharm, that are cheap, then you flip that.
Really? over the past few years I've seen the popularity of MDMA explode, just as the popularity of EDM events or 'raves' have, making MDMA in my experience the most frequently used illegal drug besides marijuana (this is in the USA btw). EDM events have become the most popular type of music for the mainstream of the US population, and what is the most frequently used drug at them? MDMA. All kinds of people get rolls from me, many I would not expect...lots of people I know will not do LSD or mushrooms because of all the myths about each that they have heard all their lives and they think it will fuck them in the head permanently. .but these same people are frequently willing to roll....stupid I know....these fuckers are missing out and more importantly sadly mistaken about the actual harmful effects of drugs.
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if you live in the states look into pain clinics ::)
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MDMA for those on SR. IRL not alot of people do MDMA, unless you go to raves or events.
Opiates are good, on SR, and IRL, but you need your own scripts from Pharm, that are cheap, then you flip that.
Really? over the past few years I've seen the popularity of MDMA explode, just as the popularity of EDM events or 'raves' have, making MDMA in my experience the most frequently used illegal drug besides marijuana (this is in the USA btw). EDM events have become the most popular type of music for the mainstream of the US population, and what is the most frequently used drug at them? MDMA. All kinds of people get rolls from me, many I would not expect...lots of people I know will not do LSD or mushrooms because of all the myths about each that they have heard all their lives and they think it will fuck them in the head permanently. .but these same people are frequently willing to roll....stupid I know....these fuckers are missing out and more importantly sadly mistaken about the actual harmful effects of drugs.
Lol over the last few years? Really? Where have you been grandpa? It's been popular since the late 80s and early 90s and "EDM" and "Raves" have been around since then too. Fuck me you Americans invented house but you seem to forget this. Although, as all you can put on the box is Skrillex that's not surprising. U.K just does it so much better. 8)
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Production of any drug obviously makes more money than the middle man but there are plenty of reasons why that's not an option for some people. Education/capability, initial assets, capital outlay, etc.
Regardless of whether you're distributing, dealing, producing, whatever;
the formula for success is
Identify what profit generators you are capable of both attaining and maintaining
Run cost analysis on each
Choose which one(s) present the best opportunity
Invest
Take care o' business
>???
>profit
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Limit did daft punk create house and theyre french? Idk much about the origins of house but America has some sicks festivals mate. Its all guys that rave in the UK cockfest lol in dark sketchy basements.
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MDMA for those on SR. IRL not alot of people do MDMA, unless you go to raves or events.
Opiates are good, on SR, and IRL, but you need your own scripts from Pharm, that are cheap, then you flip that.
Really? over the past few years I've seen the popularity of MDMA explode, just as the popularity of EDM events or 'raves' have, making MDMA in my experience the most frequently used illegal drug besides marijuana (this is in the USA btw). EDM events have become the most popular type of music for the mainstream of the US population, and what is the most frequently used drug at them? MDMA. All kinds of people get rolls from me, many I would not expect...lots of people I know will not do LSD or mushrooms because of all the myths about each that they have heard all their lives and they think it will fuck them in the head permanently. .but these same people are frequently willing to roll....stupid I know....these fuckers are missing out and more importantly sadly mistaken about the actual harmful effects of drugs.
Lol over the last few years? Really? Where have you been grandpa? It's been popular since the late 80s and early 90s and "EDM" and "Raves" have been around since then too. Fuck me you Americans invented house but you seem to forget this. Although, as all you can put on the box is Skrillex that's not surprising. U.K just does it so much better. 8)
No shit it's been around since then, but has it ever been so mainstream as it's become in the 21st century? Definitely not. I know in my mid-sized western USA city a promoter started putting on frequent raves in the last few years when before there were none, what's happened? MDMA use skyrocketed, and now everyone thinks they are a 'raver' when all they know about rave culture is taking ecstasy.
and for the record, fuck Skrillex, I hate him, and also not too fond of Europeans on their high horses...
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Although, as all you can put on the box is Skrillex that's not surprising. U.K just does it so much better. 8)
Circus Records soooooooon ;D
Rottun is a force to be reckoned with as well, show some love for the canucks!
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Like any business, ask yourself:
a) can you source a better quality product and sell for higher price in a high end market?
b) source higher quantity and sell at a lower price in low end markets?
c) provide a product in a market that has high demand, but low supply (for a higher prices naturally)?
d) can you undercut an existing saturated/competitive market with either a lower price OR higher quality product at current market price
e) create a new market by sourcing a new product or one that is not easily available (such as Peyote)
These questions aren't based on the name of the drug. It's 1) what you can sell, 2) at what price and 3) to which market. Combine that into a strategy.
Research, source and don't follow the sheep.
solid advice
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Thanks, I kept inferring "Peyote" in both my posts but I don't think the message got across.
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Fentanyl if you can get it or are skilled enough to synthesize it.
It's a reasonable straight forward synth to a SKILLED organic chemist (not to a kitchen chemist or even college grad chemist), just 3 steps:
1) N-alkylation of 4-piperidinone HCL
2) Reductive amination of the N-phenethyl-4-piperidinone you produced in step 1
3) N-acylation of the 4-anilino-N-phenethyl-piperidine you produced in step 2 to yield N-(1-(2-phenylethyl)-4-piperidinyl)-N-phenylpropanamide ... more commonly known as Fentanyl :)
I won't tell you which reagents you need to use to alkylate the precursor, reductively aminate NPP (it requires a skilled chemist to do this step though, it can't be done through simple Sn2 substitution) or N-acylaton of the ANPP.
This synth is in the realm of advanced organic synthesis, so any chemist attempting this synth should already know which reagent's to use to N-alkylate, reductive amination to NPP and N-acylation to ANPP and posses the lab equipment (specialized equipment) to reductively aminate NPP to ANPP. I'm sure you can find the answers on wiki or some shit (or publications), but again this synth can only be achieved by an advanced organic chemist (I couldn't do it and i'm an organic chemist among other things :P)
Fentanyl is liquid gold, especially on SR, a 100µg fentanyl patch sells for ~$200, so just imagine being able to synth even 10g of it ... that's $20 000 000 ... for 10 grams :).
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I am looking to diversify my ring in Q2 of 2013 (early summer). I am currently looking for advice on where the most money is in drugs, be it hash, weed, opiates, coke.. etc. I have access to some of these.
Any advice is welcome. Thanks
It's not the product that matters mate, it's the margins. Buy in the region where it's cheapest and sell in regions where it is expensive.
An extreme example would be to source coke in Columbia ($4 per g) and sell it in Australia ($200g). Obviously, something like that would require a massive organisation, you may not have the resources to implement, but there are many, many options. Research your sources and your markets and find where the biggest margins (and of course demand) lie.
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British raves and clubbing is far better than the US attempt at it. Far better atmosphere, no need to worry somebody has brought a gun except when Lim is around and we have plenty of rain to cool things down when you get outside or outside festivals :)
Except when Lim is around x]
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The most profitable business is LSD manufacture. At 10,000 doses per gram and a street price of $5 to $20 per dose, the street value is $50,000 to $200,000 per gram and a wholesale value of at least $10,000 per gram. No other drug gets that kind of bang for the cost of reagents and the work involved.
This guy is the only one with his head screwed on right in this thread. Dealing and distributing is fine but everything is chump-change compared to production (not just of LSD, any drug).
+1 to both of you, I agree the real money is in drug production, providing your production isn't controlled by a cartel, in this case they make the real money. If you've worked hard enough to have production, logistics, and contacts in place, you've got it made!
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The most profitable business is LSD manufacture. At 10,000 doses per gram and a street price of $5 to $20 per dose, the street value is $50,000 to $200,000 per gram and a wholesale value of at least $10,000 per gram. No other drug gets that kind of bang for the cost of reagents and the work involved.
This guy is the only one with his head screwed on right in this thread. Dealing and distributing is fine but everything is chump-change compared to production (not just of LSD, any drug).
+1 to both of you, I agree the real money is in drug production, providing your production isn't controlled by a cartel, in this case they make the real money. If you've worked hard enough to have production, logistics, and contacts in place, you've got it made!
That is if you make the massive assumption that it's cheaper to produce it than to acquire it. And secondly, margins aren't everything. They're important. But so is turnover. If there's not much demand for the drug you produced with the intention of selling at a huge margin, it's not much use to you.
To take the example of LSD, it may well be hugely profitable based on the numbers stated above, but I know I probably couldn't even have sold 5000 acid tabs in the 5 years I was in London - it's just not that popular - whereas I could have sold mountains of pills, coke and ket.
One has to take everything into account. Like any other business.
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That is if you make the massive assumption that it's cheaper to produce it than to acquire it. And secondly, margins aren't everything. They're important. But so is turnover. If there's not much demand for the drug you produced with the intention of selling at a huge margin, it's not much use to you.
To take the example of LSD, it may well be hugely profitable based on the numbers stated above, but I know I probably couldn't even have sold 5000 acid tabs in the 5 years I was in London - it's just not that popular - whereas I could have sold mountains of pills, coke and ket.
One has to take everything into account. Like any other business.
Theoretically speaking, if your acid tabs were of good quality and SilkRoad existed, you sold them at the right price, and had a positive review from 'The Avengers' I'm confident you would have made a killing, I know very little about LSD, I've never tried it, but high quality LSD seems to be in demand here, that's what I mean by finding the right contacts, if you find your market and build a good reputation, you will become successful, it's inevitable!
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That is if you make the massive assumption that it's cheaper to produce it than to acquire it. And secondly, margins aren't everything. They're important. But so is turnover. If there's not much demand for the drug you produced with the intention of selling at a huge margin, it's not much use to you.
To take the example of LSD, it may well be hugely profitable based on the numbers stated above, but I know I probably couldn't even have sold 5000 acid tabs in the 5 years I was in London - it's just not that popular - whereas I could have sold mountains of pills, coke and ket.
One has to take everything into account. Like any other business.
Theoretically speaking, if your acid tabs were of good quality and SilkRoad existed, you sold them at the right price, and had a positive review from 'The Avengers' I'm confident you would have made a killing, I know very little about LSD, I've never tried it, but high quality LSD seems to be in demand here, that's what I mean by finding the right contacts, if you find your market and build a good reputation, you will become successful, it's inevitable!
yes, yes, yes. SR has changed everything :)
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yes, yes, yes. SR has changed everything :)
For the better, you also get a +1! :)