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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: WishiwasForum on October 24, 2012, 11:04 am

Title: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: WishiwasForum on October 24, 2012, 11:04 am
Hi, there is a huge demand for sassafras oil so people can make safrole so people can make MDMA, but there is no sassafras available. sassafras oil contains 80-85% safrole, yet camphor oil, which is hugely available on the clearnet, can contain up to 95% safrole (but mostly around 75%) So why do people not extract safrole from camphor oil? is there a reason or has it just not been done?
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: queryox on October 24, 2012, 12:12 pm
Its just as watched as sasafras and safrole is it not?? The brown stuff anyway
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: WishiwasForum on October 24, 2012, 12:39 pm
You cant know how much effort if any they are giving to watching the oil. But there is an abundance of it

Edit: 1L Cinnamomum camphora 48 dollars (50-80% Safrole)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Calmer-Solutions-Camphor-100-Pure-Undiluted-Essential-Oil-Bottle-/290751151653?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies&var=&hash=item43b21e7e25
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: WishiwasForum on October 24, 2012, 04:32 pm
10 liters of Brown camphor oil for $450
http://www.aromaessentialoilstore.com/brown-camphor-p-58.html

INPUT FROM CHEMISTRY GUYS PLEASE, ANY REASON THAT EXTRACTING SAFROLE FROM THIS WOULDN'T WORK?
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: Lister on October 25, 2012, 01:52 am
also reading that nutmeg oil contains 2% sassafras now it would be impossible to stop trade in nutmeg if anybody has the skills to clean it up could well be worth it.
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: microRNA on October 25, 2012, 07:02 am
if you try to purchase a decent amount you can expect to attract attention because the brown/yellow oil is a watched substance. could easily end up with a visit from a dea agent. maybe if you set up a shill aromatherapy business or something to have a legit reason for needing it

the white oil isnt watched but has less than 20 percent so would require greater effort to distill

according to shulgin and this synth recipe it is a theoretical source however
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/safrole.htm
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/brightstar.mdma.html
https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/archive/index.php/t-6675.html

there are numerous sources, key would be to find one who doesnt report the sale like they are supposed to
www.supersandalwoodoil.com/products/product-category/brown-camphor-oil
http://www.camphoroilexporters.com/brown.html
http://www.kazimaperfumers.com/Camphor-Oil.html
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: Limetless on October 25, 2012, 07:52 am
Right girls, it's time for an education.

Camphor oil and Nutmeg are not economically viable for large scale production of MDMA because of the yields. Also, selling Saf on SR isn't really going to happen either because generally people who can get Saf like my good self aren't going to sell saf when they could use it to make Mandy and make lots of cheddar and further shipping liquids is much too risky to do via the mail unless you have a proper set up to do it.

So lets get real about this, not many people are going to sell you saf or sass etc because well, why the fuck would we want you to get the golden egg instead of us and most of you wouldn't be able to receive it on a commercial scale and selling it in small amounts has no money in it. Most of the time it's just a pipe dream for the people that whine about this, if you really wanted it and really had the capacity to do something useful with it you'd link it yourself and definitely wouldn't be doing it through SR.

So tired of seeing threads about this subject because it's just like hearing a child cry because he can't get an extra biscuit before dinner.
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: WishiwasForum on October 27, 2012, 08:41 pm
Right girls, it's time for an education.

Camphor oil and Nutmeg are not economically viable for large scale production of MDMA because of the yields. Also, selling Saf on SR isn't really going to happen either because generally people who can get Saf like my good self aren't going to sell saf when they could use it to make Mandy and make lots of cheddar and further shipping liquids is much too risky to do via the mail unless you have a proper set up to do it.

So lets get real about this, not many people are going to sell you saf or sass etc because well, why the fuck would we want you to get the golden egg instead of us and most of you wouldn't be able to receive it on a commercial scale and selling it in small amounts has no money in it. Most of the time it's just a pipe dream for the people that whine about this, if you really wanted it and really had the capacity to do something useful with it you'd link it yourself and definitely wouldn't be doing it through SR.

So tired of seeing threads about this subject because it's just like hearing a child cry because he can't get an extra biscuit before dinner.

Wow you really went off into something no one was talking about there. What i was asking is can you extract safrole from camphor oil which is available in lots of places instead of sassafras oil which is not really available anywhere, your saying no-one will sell me sassafras because they want the money. wtf?

P.S
Sassafras albidum (wood oil, 80-85% safrole)
Cinnamomum camphora (root bark oil, 50-80% safrole)

Sounds like your trying to deter people from attempting it TBH
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: WishiwasForum on October 27, 2012, 08:55 pm
if you try to purchase a decent amount you can expect to attract attention because the brown/yellow oil is a watched substance. could easily end up with a visit from a dea agent. maybe if you set up a shill aromatherapy business or something to have a legit reason for needing it

the white oil isnt watched but has less than 20 percent so would require greater effort to distill

according to shulgin and this synth recipe it is a theoretical source however
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/safrole.htm
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/brightstar.mdma.html
https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/archive/index.php/t-6675.html

there are numerous sources, key would be to find one who doesnt report the sale like they are supposed to
www.supersandalwoodoil.com/products/product-category/brown-camphor-oil
http://www.camphoroilexporters.com/brown.html
http://www.kazimaperfumers.com/Camphor-Oil.html

Even 10% safrole content would be worth it at the price people sell it at. Say 10L white oil for $300 and you get 1L safrole, and i think i read you could make 500-750g of MDMA from 1L Safrole.
Do the math from there, maybe grab the DDW MDMA guide and then your rolling, thats more MDMA in the world
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Post by: StExo on October 27, 2012, 09:49 pm
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Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: WishiwasForum on October 27, 2012, 10:11 pm
Right girls, it's time for an education.

Camphor oil and Nutmeg are not economically viable for large scale production of MDMA because of the yields. Also, selling Saf on SR isn't really going to happen either because generally people who can get Saf like my good self aren't going to sell saf when they could use it to make Mandy and make lots of cheddar and further shipping liquids is much too risky to do via the mail unless you have a proper set up to do it.

So lets get real about this, not many people are going to sell you saf or sass etc because well, why the fuck would we want you to get the golden egg instead of us and most of you wouldn't be able to receive it on a commercial scale and selling it in small amounts has no money in it. Most of the time it's just a pipe dream for the people that whine about this, if you really wanted it and really had the capacity to do something useful with it you'd link it yourself and definitely wouldn't be doing it through SR.

So tired of seeing threads about this subject because it's just like hearing a child cry because he can't get an extra biscuit before dinner.

Sharing would be caring :)

In reality, plan on making bulk MDMA anytime soon, could do with domestic kilo's of that as that is something as we've already talked of I have existing contacts for :).

He wont share anything, he just started making MDMA and already he is trying to keep it all for himself, i'm guessing he bought the sassafras source that is readily available on SR and finally plans on selling something other than RC's and doesnt anyone finding out what a simple synth MDMA really is.
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Post by: StExo on October 27, 2012, 10:23 pm
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Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: gtgeorgz on October 27, 2012, 10:30 pm
Also, selling Saf on SR isn't really going to happen either because generally people who can get Saf like my good self aren't going to sell saf when they could use it to make Mandy and make lots of cheddar and further shipping liquids is much too risky to do via the mail unless you have a proper set up to do it.

Ah, so your MDMA is going to synthesized from Saf oil. Good man! :)
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: WishiwasForum on October 27, 2012, 10:36 pm
He wont share anything, he just started making MDMA and already he is trying to keep it all for himself, i'm guessing he bought the sassafras source that is readily available on SR and finally plans on selling something other than RC's and doesnt anyone finding out what a simple synth MDMA really is.

You really think I didn't know that? He gets a good sas source and can make good quality kilo batches for me to buy at any reasonable price and I'm happy. I know how to make MDMA in great detail thanks but since Lim is better connected, I'd rather leave getting all the stuff to him and I don't see any reason why he should share his sources with anyone, that's kind of illogical for a vendor who wishes to make money around here which as he has already stated, is his intention. So how about cutting the hate crap and just realise to people like me and Lim and probably a lot of other vendors, we're here on business terms, not to share our knowledge which we leave to the wannabe activists who so far haven't done shit and I hope they don't either because if some of this stuff goes legal, we lose business. A lot of users will hate that, but it's making me rich and that's all I care about for now.

i didnt ask him to share his sources or knowledge, the whole point of this thread was to see if safrole could be extracted from camphor just like sassafras, and the answer is yes, it can.
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: microRNA on October 28, 2012, 01:05 am
it should be noted in the one source i provide that shulgin says yellow/brown camphor is a theoretical , but very poor, source of safrole

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/safrole.htm

for this reason i believe white simply is not a viable option - no way to concentrate the safrole enough for a good synthesis
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: WishiwasForum on October 28, 2012, 02:41 am
it should be noted in the one source i provide that shulgin says yellow/brown camphor is a theoretical , but very poor, source of safrole

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/safrole.htm

for this reason i believe white simply is not a viable option - no way to concentrate the safrole enough for a good synthesis

i cant argue with that
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: undeniableDillema on November 12, 2012, 08:05 am
some people maybe just want to get their hands on some not to start a business or compete w/ folks who can do the synth in bulk, but these folks (of which i may be one of) are interested merely for academic pursuits, to say you've done it before, create something they themselvs would like to consume, and for curiosity's sake, et cetera... esp dissappointing when you have all the glassware acquired and intellectual research done, and other chems, just missing a tiny bit of juice from your golden egg lol :-P IOW, for that kind of endeavor, only small quantities are needed :-\
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: NOTspacecase on November 20, 2012, 09:17 pm
weird. I have some sass oil for sale; and nobody seems interested... :P

That's because everyone serious about production bought the source for oil too instead of getting raped for a measly liter of oil...
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: Zulu on November 21, 2012, 12:24 am
Right girls, it's time for an education.

Camphor oil and Nutmeg are not economically viable for large scale production of MDMA because of the yields. Also, selling Saf on SR isn't really going to happen either because generally people who can get Saf like my good self aren't going to sell saf when they could use it to make Mandy and make lots of cheddar and further shipping liquids is much too risky to do via the mail unless you have a proper set up to do it.

So lets get real about this, not many people are going to sell you saf or sass etc because well, why the fuck would we want you to get the golden egg instead of us and most of you wouldn't be able to receive it on a commercial scale and selling it in small amounts has no money in it. Most of the time it's just a pipe dream for the people that whine about this, if you really wanted it and really had the capacity to do something useful with it you'd link it yourself and definitely wouldn't be doing it through SR.

So tired of seeing threads about this subject because it's just like hearing a child cry because he can't get an extra biscuit before dinner.

best fucking answer + 1
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: Gunslinger2020 on November 21, 2012, 01:07 am
if you try to purchase a decent amount you can expect to attract attention because the brown/yellow oil is a watched substance. could easily end up with a visit from a dea agent. maybe if you set up a shill aromatherapy business or something to have a legit reason for needing it

the white oil isnt watched but has less than 20 percent so would require greater effort to distill

according to shulgin and this synth recipe it is a theoretical source however
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/safrole.htm
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/brightstar.mdma.html
https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/archive/index.php/t-6675.html

there are numerous sources, key would be to find one who doesnt report the sale like they are supposed to
www.supersandalwoodoil.com/products/product-category/brown-camphor-oil
http://www.camphoroilexporters.com/brown.html
http://www.kazimaperfumers.com/Camphor-Oil.html

Even 10% safrole content would be worth it at the price people sell it at. Say 10L white oil for $300 and you get 1L safrole, and i think i read you could make 500-750g of MDMA from 1L Safrole.
Do the math from there, maybe grab the DDW MDMA guide and then your rolling, thats more MDMA in the world

This.... is flawed logic.  If you were to produce this much MDMA and were able to sell it, you would have to be a wholesaler just to cover your tracks.  By being a wholesaler you would have to sell your product for $4 at the greatest.  Do the math, 4 * 600= $2400, now you have to worry about lab gear, paying your "friends" to keep their mouths shut, and a bunch of other crap.  Out of those $2,400 you just made you will probably yield yourself $400 for a week's worth of work.  I'm well versed in the Finance and Risk Management Sector and can tell you that I would not want to risk Fed time for $400, or $1,000 for that matter.  Be realistic and think of all the variables when planning your operation, there is much more that just a single Raw Material that goes in to producing a product.
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: iisthisisi on November 24, 2012, 12:07 am
First of all when looking at the composition of camphor oil:

Chemical composition

The main chemical components are a-pinene, camphene, b-pinene, sabinene, phellandrene, limonene, 1,8-cineole, y-terpinene, p-cymene, terpinolene, furfural, camphor, linalool, bornyl acetate, terpinen-4-ol, caryophyllene, borneol, piperitone, geraniol, safrole, cinnamaldehyde, methyl cinnamate and eugenol.

If one would have, say 10% safrole in their oil, that means there is 90% of the other compounds.

But the person is determined to make this MDMA. So he thinks, I could do a distillation under reduced pressure with a Vigreux column. This way I will obtain pure safrole.

However, there may be a 10 degrees difference in the boiling points of safrole and eugenol. It is very difficult to separate these two. Not even talking about the other components also present in the mixture.

So this is near to impossible to achieve.

But, I could also uses the power of steam to carry my lovely safrole to the condensor where it will nicely condensate and leave me with pure lovely safrole. So all the oil is put in the flask and water is added. Once it boils there are two layers in the receiving flask. Our chemist all happy because it smells like safrole, it looks like safrole, so it must be safrole.
But in the next reaction, the Wacker oxidation, there is a big mess formed. How on earth is this possible he thinks. Our little chemist forgot that there are a lot of chemicals that are volatile with steam. So instead of oxidizing safrole, he prepared one beautiful polymer because oxygen is a radical initiator and those Pi electrons are more then willing to form a bond with the radical and create a camphor polymer.

Of this is what you're after, this is the way to go!

If one wants to make MDMA, ones best goes with the phenylacetone of safrole.

Or just buy piperonal and go with the Knoevenagel condensation with nitroethane.

There are a lot of ways, but the camphor oil with low safrole content isn't the way to go.

 
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: WishiwasForum on December 23, 2012, 03:36 pm
if you try to purchase a decent amount you can expect to attract attention because the brown/yellow oil is a watched substance. could easily end up with a visit from a dea agent. maybe if you set up a shill aromatherapy business or something to have a legit reason for needing it

the white oil isnt watched but has less than 20 percent so would require greater effort to distill

according to shulgin and this synth recipe it is a theoretical source however
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/safrole.htm
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/brightstar.mdma.html
https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/archive/index.php/t-6675.html

there are numerous sources, key would be to find one who doesnt report the sale like they are supposed to
www.supersandalwoodoil.com/products/product-category/brown-camphor-oil
http://www.camphoroilexporters.com/brown.html
http://www.kazimaperfumers.com/Camphor-Oil.html

Even 10% safrole content would be worth it at the price people sell it at. Say 10L white oil for $300 and you get 1L safrole, and i think i read you could make 500-750g of MDMA from 1L Safrole.
Do the math from there, maybe grab the DDW MDMA guide and then your rolling, thats more MDMA in the world

This.... is flawed logic.  If you were to produce this much MDMA and were able to sell it, you would have to be a wholesaler just to cover your tracks.  By being a wholesaler you would have to sell your product for $4 at the greatest.  Do the math, 4 * 600= $2400, now you have to worry about lab gear, paying your "friends" to keep their mouths shut, and a bunch of other crap.  Out of those $2,400 you just made you will probably yield yourself $400 for a week's worth of work.  I'm well versed in the Finance and Risk Management Sector and can tell you that I would not want to risk Fed time for $400, or $1,000 for that matter.  Be realistic and think of all the variables when planning your operation, there is much more that just a single Raw Material that goes in to producing a product.

$4 a gram? jesus you must be getting some shitty MD, lab ger is a one time payment and you would obviously have to buy that before you make the stuff. Paying your friends to keep their mouths shut? thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: James Hardens Beard on December 23, 2012, 08:59 pm
if you try to purchase a decent amount you can expect to attract attention because the brown/yellow oil is a watched substance. could easily end up with a visit from a dea agent. maybe if you set up a shill aromatherapy business or something to have a legit reason for needing it

the white oil isnt watched but has less than 20 percent so would require greater effort to distill

according to shulgin and this synth recipe it is a theoretical source however
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/safrole.htm
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/brightstar.mdma.html
https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/archive/index.php/t-6675.html

there are numerous sources, key would be to find one who doesnt report the sale like they are supposed to
www.supersandalwoodoil.com/products/product-category/brown-camphor-oil
http://www.camphoroilexporters.com/brown.html
http://www.kazimaperfumers.com/Camphor-Oil.html

Even 10% safrole content would be worth it at the price people sell it at. Say 10L white oil for $300 and you get 1L safrole, and i think i read you could make 500-750g of MDMA from 1L Safrole.
Do the math from there, maybe grab the DDW MDMA guide and then your rolling, thats more MDMA in the world

This.... is flawed logic.  If you were to produce this much MDMA and were able to sell it, you would have to be a wholesaler just to cover your tracks.  By being a wholesaler you would have to sell your product for $4 at the greatest.  Do the math, 4 * 600= $2400, now you have to worry about lab gear, paying your "friends" to keep their mouths shut, and a bunch of other crap.  Out of those $2,400 you just made you will probably yield yourself $400 for a week's worth of work.  I'm well versed in the Finance and Risk Management Sector and can tell you that I would not want to risk Fed time for $400, or $1,000 for that matter.  Be realistic and think of all the variables when planning your operation, there is much more that just a single Raw Material that goes in to producing a product.
Or you can sell it at regular prices and not tell anyone fuckall about you being the producer? Seems like the way to go to me.
Title: Re: Sassafras,Safrole,Camphor,MDMA
Post by: Cartel on December 23, 2012, 10:51 pm
if you try to purchase a decent amount you can expect to attract attention because the brown/yellow oil is a watched substance. could easily end up with a visit from a dea agent. maybe if you set up a shill aromatherapy business or something to have a legit reason for needing it

the white oil isnt watched but has less than 20 percent so would require greater effort to distill

according to shulgin and this synth recipe it is a theoretical source however
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/safrole.htm
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/brightstar.mdma.html
https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/archive/index.php/t-6675.html

there are numerous sources, key would be to find one who doesnt report the sale like they are supposed to
www.supersandalwoodoil.com/products/product-category/brown-camphor-oil
http://www.camphoroilexporters.com/brown.html
http://www.kazimaperfumers.com/Camphor-Oil.html

Even 10% safrole content would be worth it at the price people sell it at. Say 10L white oil for $300 and you get 1L safrole, and i think i read you could make 500-750g of MDMA from 1L Safrole.
Do the math from there, maybe grab the DDW MDMA guide and then your rolling, thats more MDMA in the world

This.... is flawed logic.  If you were to produce this much MDMA and were able to sell it, you would have to be a wholesaler just to cover your tracks.  By being a wholesaler you would have to sell your product for $4 at the greatest.  Do the math, 4 * 600= $2400, now you have to worry about lab gear, paying your "friends" to keep their mouths shut, and a bunch of other crap.  Out of those $2,400 you just made you will probably yield yourself $400 for a week's worth of work.  I'm well versed in the Finance and Risk Management Sector and can tell you that I would not want to risk Fed time for $400, or $1,000 for that matter.  Be realistic and think of all the variables when planning your operation, there is much more that just a single Raw Material that goes in to producing a product.
Or you can sell it at regular prices and not tell anyone fuckall about you being the producer? Seems like the way to go to me.

Yep,its better to shut your mouth & keep a very low profile!