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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: Barbijuana on October 22, 2012, 04:03 pm
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I am very proud to be of a generation that harbored and was born into a world were the Internet came into fruition. I believe it is on par, if not exceeds, some of the great World Wonders of human ingenuity. Be it for good or ill - the Internet has allowed millions of people to share thoughts, connect without physical barriers, become researched and even experts in any field they desire and show off their genitals.
But from all the good that the Internet has done; has it also increased the depravity of the human experience?
The easiest example is from a sexual standpoint. Has being able to completely fulfill any curiosity and deviant desire increased the amount of desensitized and predatorial adults and even young adults. In times without the internet, should you have a sexual thought that was far from mainstream acceptable - your choice was to actively find ways to express these thoughts to others face to face; or squander this desire and move on. With the advent of the internet, not only can you find release for 8 hours a day exposing and exploring these carnal desires, but you can connect anonymously to other people that share the same ideas.
When you are dealing with even the most awful of taboo ideas, being able to find solace and others to reinforce the line of thinking can be dangerous. Or is the human connection beautiful? Eye of the beholder I guess.
There are well documented and historical atrocities throughout the timeline of human civilization. Is it that evil has always been there and we now live in an age where everyone and anyone can report and upload or has the creation of the Internet increased the amount of evil by allowing harmless thoughts turn into action with the reinforcement of mob mentality.
I guess you could argue that Guns don't kill people - its the finger. Maybe our monkey brains weren't meant to have too much time thinking.
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When you are dealing with even the most awful of taboo ideas, being able to find solace and others to reinforce the line of thinking can be dangerous.
And this is where your sentiment is flawed. Exchanging your thoughts on a taboo idea won't reinforce your desire to play out your secret phantasies. I believe quite the opposite is the case.
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When you are dealing with even the most awful of taboo ideas, being able to find solace and others to reinforce the line of thinking can be dangerous.
And this is where your sentiment is flawed. Exchanging your thoughts on a taboo idea won't reinforce your desire to play out your secret phantasies. I believe quite the opposite is the case.
What about all those sick incest and pedo onion sites? Before the internet a pedos chances of finding someone who shares in their deviant desires were greatly reduced. Being able to find a group of pedos who'll encourage you with your secret fantasies can only be harmful to that individual and society a large. In a similar way, but to a lesser extent, with the pro-anorexia websites. These people (anorexics) need our help, not a support group of like-minded individuals.
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It just increases the accessibility to the thoughts of cooks lol. ;D
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The worst thing about the internet is how it has isolated people and weakened communities. I go out to eat and it seems like everyone is on their phone, it's like the people you chose to go out with aren't entertaining enough for you. People can't sit and talk over coffee for an hour anymore without checking for texts, tweets, status updates, emails, etc.
It is like the computers are replacing people. If you think about it, it's pretty frightening.
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The worst thing about the internet is how it has isolated people and weakened communities. I go out to eat and it seems like everyone is on their phone, it's like the people you chose to go out with aren't entertaining enough for you. People can't sit and talk over coffee for an hour anymore without checking for texts, tweets, status updates, emails, etc.
It is like the computers are replacing people. If you think about it, it's pretty frightening.
Yeah I agree. Worries me quite a lot. :-\
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Having deviant fantasies is not evil. Thought is neutral.
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Having deviant fantasies is not evil. Thought is neutral.
^I agree.
However, if we assume say, child porn is evil, that would not make the internet "evil." The internet has no motives or thoughts. It is merely a tool to be used by people. If someone goes online and finds child porn, it is for the most part because they went looking for it. The internet itself did not increase evil, it was just used in an unsavory fashion.
I guess my point is, if the internet were to be used for taboo purposes, the immorality was there to begin with, and it would have been there regardless of the existence of the internet.
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The internet is the only place where you can be "free" to an extent, it creates serious egomaniacs too though, all these facebook ugly duckfacing bitches and the "i just took a shit the size of an anaconda,,,,, lolzzzz" obsessed assholes are a prime example of that.
There are plenty of posters on here who you can psycho analyze to be total internet addicted asoical creeps too though :)
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Evil/good is no different then energy, some is destructive some creative but it cannot be increased or decreased though it seems to do so at times.
Throughout history what is evil has changed by definition many times. Such is the way of things, I for one detest child porn lovers and rapists/murderers- however, there are societies where having little boys as "sex toys/workers" is embraced...etc., I choose where I live, what I do, and that is what it is.
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It just increases the accessibility to the thoughts of cooks lol. ;D
when you say "cooks" do you mean "kooks"?
or are you referring to the likes of Jamie Oliver, Gordon Ramsey et al, i.e. cooks?
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Internet is not evil.. some people that use it are evil, anyway the concept of "good or evil" is just bullshit. Who decides what is good or evil? Do you think you are an evil people because you are buying drugs online? You can say no but if you ask to a non-drug user he will probably think you are evil. I think that concept is just another religion bullshit...
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the internet has certainly increased the chances of joe public finding out about the evil cunts that run the world,,,before the net we had the confuser (television) controlled by a very few at the top,the internet not being controlled has allowed the masses to read material that otherwise would never have made it into the public domain
picking up on an earlier point,i getting very fuckin annoyed when people cant even hold a conversation without reaching for there phone to check fuckbook or emails or tx msg arrrrrggghhhhh
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The worst thing about the internet is how it has isolated people and weakened communities. I go out to eat and it seems like everyone is on their phone, it's like the people you chose to go out with aren't entertaining enough for you. People can't sit and talk over coffee for an hour anymore without checking for texts, tweets, status updates, emails, etc.
It is like the computers are replacing people. If you think about it, it's pretty frightening.
Yeah I agree. Worries me quite a lot. :-\
I assume that's why Gangster No.1 likes to walk :)? Dead on that point though, at the minimum I find it incredibly rude people are checking texts whilst I am talking to them, I see it as no different than to trying to listen to 2 people talking at the same time, diverted attention.
Nothing better than having a real fireplace, wood burning, it's snowy and freezing outside and you can sit on a warm chair or even the floor next to the fireplace with a nice cup of hot chocolate (yeah, tea/coffee just doesn't cut it for me). Nice feeling.
I agree with this. And for me personally, the internet is a distraction. It's not that I'm addicted to the internet because I have no problems living without it for a month, but it is that I use it for escapism. When I am going to study and I don't feel like it I go to the internet, because it has the ability to completely let me forget about studying for a while. It also has the ability to let me replace social interaction with real friends with social interaction with chat buddies. When I need a friend the chat buddy won't be there for me, but a real life friend will, so that's also something to watch out about.
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When you are dealing with even the most awful of taboo ideas, being able to find solace and others to reinforce the line of thinking can be dangerous.
And this is where your sentiment is flawed. Exchanging your thoughts on a taboo idea won't reinforce your desire to play out your secret phantasies. I believe quite the opposite is the case.
What about all those sick incest and pedo onion sites? Before the internet a pedos chances of finding someone who shares in their deviant desires were greatly reduced. Being able to find a group of pedos who'll encourage you with your secret fantasies can only be harmful to that individual and society a large. In a similar way, but to a lesser extent, with the pro-anorexia websites. These people (anorexics) need our help, not a support group of like-minded individuals.
Imo, Internet can spread evil. Don't get me wrong, it's mainly an amazing device, but it does have its dark sides.
I can say I'm much less innocent and pure than I was before the internet existed. Internet perverted me or created bad habits, violent porn is one instance of it I had a hard time dealing with.
And think about how easier it is for peados and terrorists to unite and take action now, much easier than before I guess.
All in all, I wouldn't say people become evil, but internet can plant evil seeds.
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When you are dealing with even the most awful of taboo ideas, being able to find solace and others to reinforce the line of thinking can be dangerous.
And this is where your sentiment is flawed. Exchanging your thoughts on a taboo idea won't reinforce your desire to play out your secret phantasies. I believe quite the opposite is the case.
What about all those sick incest and pedo onion sites? Before the internet a pedos chances of finding someone who shares in their deviant desires were greatly reduced. Being able to find a group of pedos who'll encourage you with your secret fantasies can only be harmful to that individual and society a large. In a similar way, but to a lesser extent, with the pro-anorexia websites. These people (anorexics) need our help, not a support group of like-minded individuals.
It has been shown time and time again that countries which outlaw pornography have higher rates of rape. It may be the case that actual incidences of abuse are reduced due to recorded incidences being available.
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...who'll encourage you with your secret fantasies can only be harmful to that individual and society a large.
"there is no such thing as a society." -Margaret Thatcher
In a similar way, but to a lesser extent, with the pro-anorexia websites. These people (anorexics) need our help, not a support group of like-minded individuals.
In a similar way, but to a lesser extent, with the drug-dealing websites. These people (drug-addicts) need our help, not a marketplace where they can buy more stuff to harm themselves.
The internet made in much more difficult to enforce your opinions on others, and easier for countercultures to exchange and organize. It makes society less homogenous and more diverse. And i fucking like that.
Mind your own business, don't care so much about what others do, and the internet will always be beneficial to you. This attitude isn't only helpful with regard to online activity, but in life generally. Switzerland followed this strategy for 500 years, and is now one of the richest and successful countries on earth.
I can say I'm much less innocent and pure than I was before the internet existed. Internet perverted me or created bad habits, violent porn is one instance of it I had a hard time dealing with.
I agree its bad times for people who are easily offended. Luckily i'm not one of them :)
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People are who they are and pedophiles are pedophiles. Pedophiles existed before the internet and they had to circle the schoolyard and reel in children to get their kicks. Now they can sit in their basement and jerk off all day long. Let them stay there.
Doug Stanhope anyone?
http://youtu.be/OlvNQQmsuFw
Anyways, internet might propagate a small amount of evil, but it probably prevents more than it creates.
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the internet is a tool its no more dangerous then a gun, its what you use it for is what matters.
like saying cars are bad because some people die
yes the internet is a distraction but a wonderful one at that because it was once true anarchy(freedom) now places like this or other .onions are the only truely free things
like timothy leary said the internet is the LSD of the next generation ( i got to meet someone who recorded his last trip you might have seen the videos)
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the internet is a tool its no more dangerous then a gun, its what you use it for is what matters.
like saying cars are bad because some people die
yes the internet is a distraction but a wonderful one at that because it was once true anarchy(freedom) now places like this or other .onions are the only truely free things
like timothy leary said the internet is the LSD of the next generation ( i got to meet someone who recorded his last trip you might have seen the videos)
true
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It is interesting, does forming new ideas create more evil? Usually crime always adapts no matter what it uses people than moves on to wherever the money is. Money is the root of evil not the internet.
In regards to hedonism laying claim to the internet, that is pandoras box, it is incredibly dangerous to meet random people with as many STD's that abound in this world, and those who have them tend to not care and still sleep with many people without telling them even if they know.
So maybe it increases evil dramatically that way, but who is to judge what is evil and what is not? I hope we don't have to rely on the government for that. Information like naked girls 14 and over should not be against the law, what should be is rape, but also I think but am not sure just assume many girls younger especially are talked into sexual acts now more than ever than would normally be.
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It is interesting, does forming new ideas create more evil? Usually crime always adapts no matter what it uses people than moves on to wherever the money is. Money is the root of evil not the internet.
In regards to hedonism laying claim to the internet, that is pandoras box, it is incredibly dangerous to meet random people with as many STD's that abound in this world, and those who have them tend to not care and still sleep with many people without telling them even if they know.
So maybe it increases evil dramatically that way, but who is to judge what is evil and what is not? I hope we don't have to rely on the government for that. Information like naked girls 14 and over should not be against the law, what should be is rape, but also I think but am not sure just assume many girls younger especially are talked into sexual acts now more than ever than would normally be.
I use to conclude that Money was the root of all Evil, but according to Christianity (Disclaimer: I am not on the God squad) it explains that Evil was and is derived from Selfishness. It began in Eden when the Serpent told Adam and Eve they (mostly Eve; she gave a bite to Adam) could eat from the Tree of Knowledge and become God themselves. It is then that they no longer served God, but served themselves and Sin was born. Being greedy, lazy, lustful, jealous can all be justified from selfishness. I don't believe a lot of religious psalms and concepts, but figuratively that one from Genesis makes a lot of sense to me.
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Sure, the Internet increases evil. I wouldn't say it IS evil, but it certainly increases it.
It also increases knowledge, commerce and communications. Probably increases 'goodness' too.
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the internet is a tool its the way you use it, it can create evil but then their is ossification or what #opdeepweb did
collectively weed out evil
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I don't know evil, all I know is who my enemies are. I could care less about what people masturbate to. None of that bothers me.