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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: PoohBear on October 10, 2012, 01:13 am
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This is a couple of months old, but I found it interesting. Its a blog by Leonard Frieling. A speaker for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leonard-frieling/politicians-ignore-failed-war-on-drugs_b_1832723.html
My own thoughts:
he estimates more than a trillion dollars has been wasted on the drug war.... and we here in the states are bickering over giving basic services (health care) to the people. To waste so much on a futile and failed programs like this. The destruction this war has done to good people here in the states is outrageous, but it is nothing in comparison to destruction and havoc it has caused to our neighbors.
To those who agree with prohibition.....
"FUCK YOU, I WON"T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!"
-rage against the machine, killing in the name
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Being a Brit, all I can say is your independence move really has backfired on you hasn't it when you have one of the worst healthcare systems in the world and your government prefers propaganda and ignorance over truth and reason.
That's any government, period. Founded on violence; run by same. If our own revolution is not a peaceful one, if we win, we're in for the same shit under a different group of people.
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It's funny how history repeats itself. We fought that war (US Revolution) for the same reason we fight this war ( on drugs). Because it was felt and some still feel they the right to control others. No matter the tyrant whether actual, an institution, or philosophical the people will always rise up.
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This is a couple of months old, but I found it interesting. Its a blog by Leonard Frieling. A speaker for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leonard-frieling/politicians-ignore-failed-war-on-drugs_b_1832723.html
My own thoughts:
he estimates more than a trillion dollars has been wasted on the drug war.... and we here in the states are bickering over giving basic services (health care) to the people. To waste so much on a futile and failed programs like this. The destruction this war has done to good people here in the states is outrageous, but it is nothing in comparison to destruction and havoc it has caused to our neighbors.
To those who agree with prohibition.....
"FUCK YOU, I WON"T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!"
-rage against the machine, killing in the name
Being a Brit, all I can say is your independence move really has backfired on you hasn't it when you have one of the worst healthcare systems in the world and your government prefers propaganda and ignorance over truth and reason.
Another reason I love being British and not American/Asian/African/Most Europeans. Wouldn't mind being an Aussie though, but British takes #1.
You've got to be joking if you don't think Britain doesn't have a laundry list of fucked up problems. Your drug laws are generally way worse than ours for one.
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Well I admit, I've never really been to Britain so I'm going to take your word for how the courts handle drug offenders because as you said, I only understand them on paper. I want to make it clear I am in no way pro-america and those overly ignorant patriots bother me just as much as they bother you.
As far as our foreign policy goes, your government tags along with everything we do and justifies Americas actions as well. We take the fall for most of the bullshit (because we pretty much start it) but your country benefits off our bullshit and happily engages in it. As far as taxes go I was under the impression that your government taxes its citizens way higher than ours and even the poor fall into a higher tax bracket.
Honestly, I realize I'm probably fighting a losing battle because the only country I can really talk about is the US, I've been to most of Europe but that doesn't mean I "get" there political system.
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... self-defence means you must exhaust every other possible route before you take any option to harm another person and to result in shooting, stabbing or killing somebody as a result of self-defence is rarely justified...
I agree NO spot executions, however, if I must take a life to defend mine, I will gladly do so with extreme prejudice.
Self defense my friend is far more in depth than you let on. But than what do you expect from brits, :);) they incarcerate those who defend themselves and their families from crimes of rape, murder and more for longer time periods than the actual criminals. ;)
Ill keep my guns, and my training, and will continue to live the way I do. Not initiating violence against others, word of advice, initiate against me or mine for whatever reason the person may have, and I will respond.
Again, I agree with most of what you said, you are correct, the usa is a severely fucked up hole in the ground. However, when it comes to self defense, I know the statistics, facts and what has occurred personally.
I hate the following if it helps you understand my approach better.
1. war
2. government
3. slavery
4. bigotry regardless reason
5. child abusers
6. politicians
7. prisons
8. statists
9. murderers
10. rapists
and yes, I have been places I wish to never go again, that is however not the point.
I love
1. New Zealand
2. Thailand
3. Mexico
4. Nicaragua
5. Bali
6. India (specifically Goa)
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StExo no offense, but are you actually from the UK? You're stating there are no radials or fanatics in the UK. Where do think the skinhead movement started? albeit it wasn't aligned with neo-nazism at the beginning, but the evolution can be traced to London. What about the violence between Protestants and Catholics? IRA? Combat 18?
Then to say that USA is Empirical. ("Invade, shoot, kill, take their resources, then try to justify it") We are a republic not an empire. We do not claim the territories of other sovereign nations. Have you forgotten about the British Empire? It wasn't so long ago that your country was guilty of "Invade, shoot, kill, take their resources, then try to justify it".
I'm not justifying all actions of my government. I just think you are regurgitating anti US propaganda without doing your own research.
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StExo no offense, but are you actually from the UK? You're stating there are no radials or fanatics in the UK. Where do think the skinhead movement started? albeit it wasn't aligned with neo-nazism at the beginning, but the evolution can be traced to London. What about the violence between Protestants and Catholics? IRA? Combat 18?
Then to say that USA is Empirical. ("Invade, shoot, kill, take their resources, then try to justify it") We are a republic not an empire. We do not claim the territories of other sovereign nations. Have you forgotten about the British Empire? It wasn't so long ago that your country was guilty of "Invade, shoot, kill, take their resources, then try to justify it".
I'm not justifying all actions of my government. I just think you are regurgitating anti US propaganda without doing your own research.
Every nation has its radicals,
And every first world nation is an empire, some just use different names. The usa may have been founded as a "republic" but like greece and rome it has long ago dropped that for empire building. ;)
And StExo - GB still empire builds, what do you think the middle east is.
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I would disagree, seeing as how Israel was established by GB, fast forward to today and GB is as involved in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt, Iran and East Africa as any of the other first world nations. The only reason they are there, oil, natural resources and control.
GB is not blameless sorry, though I will say, the kommunist states of amerika are the new kid on the imperial block. ;)
;)
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Lets face it, most of what you've said traces back to the UK because most of the US population stems from here. The violence you talk of is in Ireland (Not N.Ireland, just Ireland) and is not part of GB or our policies. IRA is also barely in our scope but that stems from the previous argument also and N.Ireland seem to be happy where they are and Ireland is happy where they are, it's the in between causing the trouble who are old fashioned Irish guys still bitter about the whole situation, exactly like the Falklands and Argentina.
I don't understand what you meant by the following statement. Particularly the first half of the sentence.
" Lets face it, most of what you've said traces back to the UK because most of the US population stems from here"
For the sake of clarification the mainland USA was formed from British, French, Spanish, and Mexican Territories. It would be correct to state that the majority of the population are "white", but this is just a general term that means they are of white European descent. To state that most of the US population stems from the UK would be incorrect.
As far as the statement, " The violence you talk of is in Ireland (Not N.Ireland, just Ireland)"
"The Troubles refers to approximately three decades of violence between elements of Northern Ireland's nationalist community (who mainly self-identified as Irish and/or Roman Catholic) and its unionist community (who mainly self-identified as British and/or Protestant). Use of the term "the Troubles" has been raised at Northern Ireland Assembly level, as some considered this period of conflict to have been a war.[18][19][20][21][22] The conflict was the result of discrimination against the Nationalist/Catholic minority by the Unionist/Protestant majority[23] and the question of Northern Ireland's status within the United Kingdom.[24][25] The violence was characterised by the armed campaigns of Irish republican and Ulster loyalist paramilitary groups."
*Wikipedia
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my thoughts=FUCK THE GOVERNMENT and anyone associated with it
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Culturally all British as are most of the people if you look at the empirical genetic data for comparison.
Again I don't understand this statement. There must be something lost in the English - American translation. (kidding) Either you left something out or I'm not reading it correctly. Please clarify.
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Okay I understand all of that. The referenced statement reads as if you are trying to make a certain claim. ie "Culturally all British [are .......] as are most of the people...." The part in bracket is what I would lke for you to clarify.
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my thoughts=FUCK THE GOVERNMENT and anyone associated with it
Nicely said
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