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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: Ninjew on September 29, 2012, 06:47 pm
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Hi guys.
i'm having some trouble with my new business startup.
i need to start renting a commercial building (using a private landlord wont do)
but i dont want a paper trail back to me. how could i do this ?
also, is there a forum dedicated to illegal information and criminal know how?
Ninjew
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What are you using for? Don't have to be specific but it can effect it.
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Hey Limit,
thanks for the reply
i have no issues being specific , this cannot lead back to me from tor.
its for cultivation.
i've been looking into this for a while. a guy i know did it a while back in a warehouse but in his own name .
went well but he told his landlord :-\ and ended up paying through the teeth to keep doing it there until it just wasn't doable anymore
now im looking for some way in england to get discreet space for it.
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What scale do you want to do it at?
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I'd rather go sensible that dangerous .
if i could get something small and completely anonymous i'd prefer that to enormous but risk of getting caught
what are you thinking ?
have you got experience in this type of thing?
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Sort of.
Well depends on whether you a house or a commercial sized building. Former is easier, latter is harder.
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i have reservations about private houses due to nosey landlords.
but how would you suggest acquiring a house anonymously ?
especially bypassing the credit check?
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i have reservations about private houses due to nosey landlords.
but how would you suggest acquiring a house anonymously ?
especially bypassing the credit check?
You can't go down that road. You need to find people who are willing to do CIH through a private agreement.
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whats a CIH through a private agreement?
googles only turning up chartered institute of housing .
so say if i find a house with adequate sized basement, and i enter into an agreement with the landlord anonymously, is that where a cih comes in?
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Cash in Hand. Basically an under-the-table shady deal lol.
There is no way to do it totally anonymously, best way is to find someone who is bent and give them a cut.
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ah i see
well i have the option to do that now. that's quite costly risky though.
the principle factor here is last time we cut in a landlord he started extorting the situation
i was hoping more for advice faking a front company to rent it. or forging documents to put it in someone else's name
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ah i see
well i have the option to do that now. that's quite costly risky though.
the principle factor here is last time we cut in a landlord he started extorting the situation
i was hoping more for advice faking a front company to rent it. or forging documents to put it in someone else's name
The latter is just as costly as the former. You have to make sure the owner is afraid of what happens if he fucks with you, make it come across like he needs you rather than the reverse.
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Find a really old couple who's renting out their old house. Tell them you are a Ph.D student for botany. Ask them if they would mind you growing various exotic plants that can only be found in Africa. Say it's part of your Ph.D thesis. Show them all these interesting documents and bullshit research data. Tell them it's your life passion.
Invite them over for tea and show them your plants. Tell them how excited your entire university lab is because you are one of the few people that were able to harvest some most exotic plants in Northern American soil.
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HA
i like the last idea simply on balls factor ;D
@limit :
a lot of complications arise that way. although we have the ability to threaten / extort a landlord it's a logistical nightmare keeping someone intimidated , especially since we need repeated grows, plus it aint fair if the poor cunts innocent in the first place.
i know this can be done without the landlord being brought in on it.
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Yeah of course it can but it's extremely difficult and long winded and you need resources (meaning £££££££) and contacts.
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I know a dude who has been growing in a rented warehouse since 1977.
he rented it out with some stolen ID and still to this day has the spot, and puts out some sick M39 from there..
If I were you, I'd try the fake ID route...You can even open a business with no ID (where I'm from) So in essence Joe Blow can open a company just not the bank account and then you have company papers when you go see the landlord
Good luck on your grow!
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You have to ask yourself whether you would want to cultivate in a property that someone is willing to rent out for cash in hand. The only types of property that people are going to rent out for cash in hand are going to be in areas that are utterly unsuitable for cultivation e.g. crime hot spots and sink estates. Shady cash in hand property rental is not really the sort of thing a mundane middle class suburban property owner would do.
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Finally I can honestly say I am sharing advice from experience here given my recent operations :)
Your best bet is to have somebody buy a house who isn't you of course. Now, this is a massive undertaking of course and with the economic crisis, a considerable deposit may be required. Choosing who to have buy the house is difficult and the primary issue is trust, but generally you should also account for their age and financial standing (to get good mortgage deals) and their current relation web so their wife/girlfriend/mum/dad/son/daughter/whatever doesn't go snooping on their behalf either. Preferably they should also have a criminal record free past too.
Once the house is bought, have the person rent it to you on say a 24 month contract and the agreement is made on a contract like any other house rental. Make sure to include itineraries, method of payment (Yes, using cash and then having the house owner return a receipt is perfectly acceptable and should be done at a location other than the house being rented so that if busted in future, the house owner can't be asked why he didn't know of the plants when receiving payment - a good excuse for them is to say the payment was made inside his own permanent address and not the rental house) etc. You may even want to draft in a lawyer to double check the contract for you as with any legal matter, this may also add credibility so the house owner can't have the house seized as the proceeds of crime if they're believe to have assisted in the grow operation.
A friend of mine uses a similar approach. However, in what I feel is a much less secure move, instead of using a friend/acquaintance, he himself purchases the house, setting up the bogus rental records. He also does the cultivation, half ass at that I may add. His only real requirement is an attached garage for incognito entry to the house, other than that, many location can work.
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find a fat pimply lonely elderly woman with extremely low self esteem and give her a sufficient amount of cock to get her to fall in love with you.
make sure her credit score is decent. have her put the apt / space in her name. approx every 16 days supply her with satisfactory dosages of your cock and a few love letters or poems copy pasted off the internet. problem solved. to prevent the guilt from exploiting her, or degrading her just avoid cumming on her face.. aim towards her neck or shoulders. try to genuinely care about her too so you don't completely feel like an asshole.
her credit, her name on the lease for an occasional supply of your cock and cum. mutual agreement that benefits both parties.
and also throw in some flowers, roses once in a while. PLEASE don't forget to cum always below the chin. IT REALLY MATTERS.
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find a fat pimply lonely elderly woman with extremely low self esteem and give her a sufficient amount of cock to get her to fall in love with you.
make sure her credit score is decent. have her put the apt / space in her name. approx every 16 days supply her with satisfactory dosages of your cock and a few love letters or poems copy pasted off the internet. problem solved. to prevent the guilt from exploiting her, or degrading her just avoid cumming on her face.. aim towards her neck or shoulders. try to genuinely care about her too so you don't completely feel like an asshole.
her credit, her name on the lease for an occasional supply of your cock and cum. mutual agreement that benefits both parties.
and also throw in some flowers, roses once in a while. PLEASE don't forget to cum always below the chin. IT REALLY MATTERS.
Now thats an LOL.... for real.. My abs are even hurting from the laughing...
good read!!
;D
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>unfortunately if i had funds for a deposit i'd have bought a place already, or invested in a much lower risk scheme
>i like the idea of a fake business , do you have any more info on the process?
would be interesting to know how it would work/the level of anonymity involved
in theory could i identity theif someone in the uk then start a business ?
and would a business require any photo ID/cred check to rent somewhere ?
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>unfortunately if i had funds for a deposit i'd have bought a place already, or invested in a much lower risk scheme
>i like the idea of a fake business , do you have any more info on the process?
would be interesting to know how it would work/the level of anonymity involved
in theory could i identity theif someone in the uk then start a business ?
and would a business require any photo ID/cred check to rent somewhere ?
To open a business in the UK is not my strong suit...
But good luck anyway!
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I may know of a way of renting a property almost if not totally anonymously. Most areas near Universities in the U.K have properties ranging from studio flats to 7 bed houses which can be rented through deposits straight into landlord's bank account. As properties are generally rented per bedroom you might need to get a friend to be a 'fake tenant' i.e sign a contract under a fake name and make up a phony guarantor. Ideally find one who lives far away who won't pop round to check the condition of the house, also one that doesn't have planned maintenance work done i.e boiler repairs. This way you won't need a large deposit on a house but you would need a months deposit per room, no fake id, company registration etc. Just don't go through estate agencies obviously, you can find a lot of properties on gumtree, property websites and university affiliated websites. Hope I helped.
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find a fat pimply lonely elderly woman with extremely low self esteem and give her a sufficient amount of cock to get her to fall in love with you.
make sure her credit score is decent. have her put the apt / space in her name. approx every 16 days supply her with satisfactory dosages of your cock and a few love letters or poems copy pasted off the internet. problem solved. to prevent the guilt from exploiting her, or degrading her just avoid cumming on her face.. aim towards her neck or shoulders. try to genuinely care about her too so you don't completely feel like an asshole.
her credit, her name on the lease for an occasional supply of your cock and cum. mutual agreement that benefits both parties.
and also throw in some flowers, roses once in a while. PLEASE don't forget to cum always below the chin. IT REALLY MATTERS.
I have nothing constructive to add to this thread at all except to mention that I spit up my drink as I read OrangeCapsule's advise! I laughed hard! It sounds almost real, like he's done exactly this before!
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There are plenty of fuckers on craigslist who hardly even ask for ID (mine didn't). Pay your rent on time every month, be friendly, ...? This is the case midwest usa, I don't know bout you coast fellas though. I think this is most do-able in semi-shitty parts of town, as the landlords are just happy to not have some drunk ass people trashing the house and not paying on time.
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I am going to make a suggestion, and I am sure some one will explain why it wont work. I dont grow weed anymore and when I did, I had a great place to grow it.
Set up a trust, and a management company that is owned by the trust to manage property. Then pick up a lot in a smaller town, many go for under 2k and put a trailer home on the property. At least around here you can get a used trailer home for under 10k and if you look you can get them for free.
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i considered a similar thing with a Luton van
dispersing the heat would be difficult though
and the size would be a bit of a hindrance,
i think someone on the social renting out their high rise would be best, tricky though
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