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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: TheGoodDoctor420 on August 19, 2012, 07:45 am
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I have recently gained information about a drug that is naturally occuring in the Borrachero tree, which is indigenous to Colombia. it apparently has effects that take away the free will of a person for a certain period of time while it is active in a person's body/brain. It also apparently takes away the ability to retain memories from the times during its effects. I am highly against the Elite class and their tactics to control the masses, and I percieve this to e a big asset on their end. I wish to use it to attempt to create or find a vaccine that won't allow it to affect a person's mental faculties for extended periods od time, in order to eliminate this threat to some degree. Anyone able to aid me, will be highly appreciated!
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I have recently gained information about a drug that is naturally occuring in the Borrachero tree, which is indigenous to Colombia. it apparently has effects that take away the free will of a person for a certain period of time while it is active in a person's body/brain. It also apparently takes away the ability to retain memories from the times during its effects. I am highly against the Elite class and their tactics to control the masses, and I percieve this to e a big asset on their end. I wish to use it to attempt to create or find a vaccine that won't allow it to affect a person's mental faculties for extended periods od time, in order to eliminate this threat to some degree. Anyone able to aid me, will be highly appreciated!
If you have the resources to 'develop a vaccine' (by the way scopolamine is an organic chemical, not a bacteria, fail) then you must have an operational molecular biology lab? In this case then you should synthesize it yourself. If you are educated enough to 'develop a vaccine' you can easily handle the synthesis of scopalamine as it's an easy one synthesis.
I think you are lying through your teeth and want it to rob and/or rape someone(s), your story sounds so silly ... I don't even have words ....
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Fellow SR members, I do not wish to use this for malicious intent. I can very much so promise you this. No, I do not personally have access to a high-tech laboratory...but I am associated with a couple people who do have the ability to get to them. It does come with a fee from these associates, but it is there. I would not wish to tarnish the reputation of SR or anyone on here by associating any ill-gained ends with this community. Also, I stand corrected, having called it a vaccine. I was mistaken no to call it an antigen in regards to the "antidote" I wish to find. If you do not wish to help me out here, then that is your prerogative. Though, I do give my word that I only have the best of intentions with this research. In regards to the stated question about having it synthesized, I could have this done, but it is time consuming, costly, and the people who can synthesize it for me will only do it in large batches. Given the LD50 of this substance, that is uncalled for. I do not need 10 grams of Scopolamine for testing. If I were to be using it for personal gain, then that would be a more logical solution. But seeing as that is not the case, I am in need of someone who has access to it in smaller quantities.
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There's a fellow selling Datura seeds here: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/a0946721f8
They contain scopolamine. PM him, he might ship world wide since it's legal.
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There's a fellow selling Datura seeds here: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/a0946721f8
They contain scopolamine. PM him, he might ship world wide since it's legal.
Thank you! I had no idea Datura contained Scopolamine. I have used Datura before for some tea brews, along with Angel Trumpet, Purple Passion Flower, and Moon Flower (Evening Glory). That is news to me! Thank you for the link as well!
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If you have the resources to 'develop a vaccine' (by the way scopolamine is an organic chemical, not a bacteria, fail)
Vaccines are for viruses.... Fail! :) ...couldn't resist...
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If you have the resources to 'develop a vaccine' (by the way scopolamine is an organic chemical, not a bacteria, fail)
Vaccines are for viruses.... Fail! :) ...couldn't resist...
Tetanus vaccine protects against Clostridium tetani (a gram-positive bacteria)
Cholera vaccine protects agains Vibrio cholerae (a gram-negative bacteria)
Bubonic plague vaccine protects against Yersinia pestis (gram-negative bacteria)
Crotalus atrox vaccine protects against toxins, eg. rattlesnake venom
... Fail ?
Still don't want to see Scopalamine on the road !
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I saw a video on YouTube where these guys made a vacation out of finding Devils breath. Crazy I would never want to even try it. Don't remember what city they were in but the trees were found I in the middle of city everywhere it seemed.
That said your vaccine idea is just plain silly.
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I saw a video on YouTube where these guys made a vacation out of finding Devils breath. Crazy I would never want to even try it. Don't remember what city they were in but the trees were found I in the middle of city everywhere it seemed.
That said your vaccine idea is just plain silly.
Sadly Datura can be found quite easily in many locations. It grows on the side of the road all over the USA. It's a shame except for the fact that most people thankfully don't know what it is.
I find it funny this guy wants to make a 'vaccine'/antidote/whatever BS noun he uses for 'curing' 1984esque scopalamine fearmongering, yet openly admits in a post here that he didn't even know it's one of the main tropane alkaloids in datura, a common weed lol.
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Yeah, it's "Vice guide" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04
Really interesting documentary.
I saw a video on YouTube where these guys made a vacation out of finding Devils breath. Crazy I would never want to even try it. Don't remember what city they were in but the trees were found I in the middle of city everywhere it seemed.
That said your vaccine idea is just plain silly.
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My vote is to leave this off the road. If you're capable of doing real and applicable drug research, you shouldn't need to order the chemical off SR. However TC, SR has some anti-psychotics that I think you'll find very beneficial.
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Everyone, I get the point regarding my misuse of the term "vaccine". As I already said, I stand corrected. Live and learn. As to my use of Scopolamine, I promise it is purely benevolent in all regards. And to the statement of...
I saw a video on YouTube where these guys made a vacation out of finding Devils breath. Crazy I would never want to even try it. Don't remember what city they were in but the trees were found I in the middle of city everywhere it seemed.
That said your vaccine idea is just plain silly.
Sadly Datura can be found quite easily in many locations. It grows on the side of the road all over the USA. It's a shame except for the fact that most people thankfully don't know what it is.
I find it funny this guy wants to make a 'vaccine'/antidote/whatever BS noun he uses for 'curing' 1984esque scopalamine fearmongering, yet openly admits in a post here that he didn't even know it's one of the main tropane alkaloids in datura, a common weed lol.
Well, to Impurity, I am sure the city you are speaking of is Bogota, Colombia. It is the most well-known area to find the infamous Borrachero Tree, the most well-known source of Scopolamine.
In response to Quinone, Scopolamine may have had its media frenzy peak in the 80s, but this makes its threat no less legitimate today. Did you know that Scopolamine was referred to by multiple reputable people when they spoke of the shooting at the new Batman movie? Did you know our government has used it in regards to CIA and FBI exercises on multiple occasions?
If you all do not wish for Scopolamine to be on SR, I understand. I am not wanting the wrong people to get hold of it either. But do not flame me all day for merely asking about something. That would be like flaming someone asking for LSD for spiritual gain, because of a perpetuated (and almost irrational) fear of perma-tripping. I merely asked. If you do not wish to help, or educate, then I respectfully ask that you do not post on this thread.
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There's a fellow selling Datura seeds here: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/a0946721f8
They contain scopolamine. PM him, he might ship world wide since it's legal.
selling datura--- WTF----go in your backyard-----but dont sell Datura-----oh my------do not ingest datura unless you really know what the fuck you are getting yourself into----I know from experience------it is not a recreational thing----at all!!!!!
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I have recently gained information about a drug that is naturally occuring in the Borrachero tree, which is indigenous to Colombia. it apparently has effects that take away the free will of a person for a certain period of time while it is active in a person's body/brain. It also apparently takes away the ability to retain memories from the times during its effects. I am highly against the Elite class and their tactics to control the masses, and I percieve this to e a big asset on their end. I wish to use it to attempt to create or find a vaccine that won't allow it to affect a person's mental faculties for extended periods od time, in order to eliminate this threat to some degree. Anyone able to aid me, will be highly appreciated!
I know the effects of scoplamine---and the other datura alkaloids---what you describe is somewhat correct----the mind is awake, but the body is near if not at times completely immobile ----- it would take your free will away----not really---it makes you so zombie like that you need someone else to help you exist. busy right now-or i would explain further--but this is not recreation--i promise
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I apologize if I'm ruining your dreams but Scopolamine and scopolamine indused amnesia is a common medically defined term when comparing drugs and their effectiveness to cause amnesiac symptoms. There is no government plot to use this agent as there are various drugs that reverse this including piracetam, pramiracetam, modafinil, adderall, etc. And the usage of them for those conditions are well documented.
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Perhaps it's urban legend mixed with fearmongering and the influence of modern idiocy on the television passing off entertainment as educational material, or maybe the doses people are considering are far greater than what we were able to ascertain was safe when we turned our attentions to datura stramonium, but it certainly didn't have any amnestic properties when we used it. I appreciate that the literature uses it as a standard, but the dosage used is far higher than I could ever have considered taking outside of a properly equipped medical facility.
Tripping on boiled datura flowers was reasonably unpleasant. Educational for some of us, though a couple of experimenters wished they'd had access to tranquillisers or hefty benzodiazepines. There was a fairly heavy visual effect and what I would class as hallucinations rather than psychedelic effects, with several of the experimenters describing corpses and skulls floating through the dimly moonlit forest and rushing alarmingly at people.
The day afterwards there was a noticeable relaxation or paralysis of the ciliary muscles that control the flexion of the lens, and focusing at anything closer than about a metre was difficult or impossible, which made reading the morning newspaper a bloody challenge.
Adding half a flower per person to a mescaline brew made from san pedro cactus, however, was quite the thing, resulting in more intense and satisfyingly varied visuals than mescaline alone provided.
At no time did anybody encounter paralysis or amnesia. One particularly foolhardy person drank too much datura flower tea before going to work as a night filler in a suburban supermarket. An awful story of confusion, spilled pickles, and later questions about whether medications were being taken as prescribed resulted from this silliness.
The only zombies that resulted from a bit under a dozen experiments were those we imagined to exist while under the influence. Unless you're talking about truly heroic (diabolical, perhaps would be a better term) doses then I have evidence suggesting you're not going to see anything like what it seems television has led you to believe. And at elevated doses the trip is ghastly, and very unpleasant, and I could not be persuaded to try it again for any fathomable reason.
If the original poster were at all serious about doing research - and not apparently some kind of idiotic and probably harmful shenanigans - then he would hit a textbook that dealt with plant alkaloids. It's not difficult to extract, though separating it from hyoscyamine might prove more challenging.
Some nicely informed posts from the good people in this thread have, it is hoped, discouraged you from fooling about with scopolamine.
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Perhaps it's urban legend mixed with fearmongering and the influence of modern idiocy on the television passing off entertainment as educational material, or maybe the doses people are considering are far greater than what we were able to ascertain was safe when we turned our attentions to datura stramonium, but it certainly didn't have any amnestic properties when we used it. I appreciate that the literature uses it as a standard, but the dosage used is far higher than I could ever have considered taking outside of a properly equipped medical facility.
Tripping on boiled datura flowers was reasonably unpleasant. Educational for some of us, though a couple of experimenters wished they'd had access to tranquillisers or hefty benzodiazepines. There was a fairly heavy visual effect and what I would class as hallucinations rather than psychedelic effects, with several of the experimenters describing corpses and skulls floating through the dimly moonlit forest and rushing alarmingly at people.
The day afterwards there was a noticeable relaxation or paralysis of the ciliary muscles that control the flexion of the lens, and focusing at anything closer than about a metre was difficult or impossible, which made reading the morning newspaper a bloody challenge.
Adding half a flower per person to a mescaline brew made from san pedro cactus, however, was quite the thing, resulting in more intense and satisfyingly varied visuals than mescaline alone provided.
At no time did anybody encounter paralysis or amnesia. One particularly foolhardy person drank too much datura flower tea before going to work as a night filler in a suburban supermarket. An awful story of confusion, spilled pickles, and later questions about whether medications were being taken as prescribed resulted from this silliness.
The only zombies that resulted from a bit under a dozen experiments were those we imagined to exist while under the influence. Unless you're talking about truly heroic (diabolical, perhaps would be a better term) doses then I have evidence suggesting you're not going to see anything like what it seems television has led you to believe. And at elevated doses the trip is ghastly, and very unpleasant, and I could not be persuaded to try it again for any fathomable reason.
If the original poster were at all serious about doing research - and not apparently some kind of idiotic and probably harmful shenanigans - then he would hit a textbook that dealt with plant alkaloids. It's not difficult to extract, though separating it from hyoscyamine might prove more challenging.
Some nicely informed posts from the good people in this thread have, it is hoped, discouraged you from fooling about with scopolamine.
Nice post------I will follow up with my expereince, but honestly, I have only known two other people aside from myself to consume Jimson Weed(datura), and its all very different.
Datura alkloids are present in different quanities through out the plant. The root being the strongest, and I think seeds next in line. Do not know much about the flower, but when I dosed I ate seeds, and yes---I did expereince Zombie like qualites.
Do not have time, but I will post my experience-----and yes---Datura produces REAL HALLUCINATIONS------Like real people that are not there, but you can have a complete conversation with them!!
Thanks again
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Nice post------I will follow up with my expereince, but honestly, I have only known two other people aside from myself to consume Jimson Weed(datura), and its all very different.
Datura alkloids are present in different quanities through out the plant. The root being the strongest, and I think seeds next in line. Do not know much about the flower, but when I dosed I ate seeds, and yes---I did expereince Zombie like qualites.
I'd heard of people consuming the seeds, but haven't tried it. We spent a bit of time creeping up on what felt to be an effective but safe dose, and the flowers seemed to be a fairly reasonable way to ensure the strength of a given weight of plant matter was within a narrow range.
Do not have time, but I will post my experience-----and yes---Datura produces REAL HALLUCINATIONS------Like real people that are not there, but you can have a complete conversation with them!!
Very interesting, and I look forward to your full post when you have the time. I was expecting bizarre psychedelic effects, but to have entirely believable hallucinations was a surprise. Reaching out to touch the floating, emaciated and disembidied head carried a shock of surprise when the fingers never actually made contact with the surface.
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To all of you guys, I have done a good amount of research on the subject. I even engrossed myself in a biochem textbook in the University of Tennessee Library while I visited there. I have obviously had many of you attempt harm reduction in regards to my request, but I truly do not intend any ill will against anyone. I merely wish to delve into my research and find a proper "antigen" or "vaccine" (so nobody can call out any tedious details I am just using both terms at the same time). The ones listed are costly, and hard to come by from what I have seen. I would prefer to be able to make my own so I do not have to rely on others for help. I respect the harm reduction attempts, and I promise I do take heed regarding the statements made in an attempt to turn me away from this. I will be very careful in my work and research, but I will not be turned off from Scopolamine research.
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To all of you guys, I have done a good amount of research on the subject. I even engrossed myself in a biochem textbook in the University of Tennessee Library while I visited there. I have obviously had many of you attempt harm reduction in regards to my request, but I truly do not intend any ill will against anyone. I merely wish to delve into my research and find a proper "antigen" or "vaccine" (so nobody can call out any tedious details I am just using both terms at the same time). The ones listed are costly, and hard to come by from what I have seen. I would prefer to be able to make my own so I do not have to rely on others for help. I respect the harm reduction attempts, and I promise I do take heed regarding the statements made in an attempt to turn me away from this. I will be very careful in my work and research, but I will not be turned off from Scopolamine research.
Holly shit your back---I forgot about this thread-----wtf antigen, or vaccine can you make from this-------your nuts------and UT-----come on---------not really known for a research uni---even old school faculty there, are happy that academic requirments have been lifted!!!
Dont mess with the scopolamine----and if you really want it---buy it online-------if you can get a source----than you should research nudes-------a lot of fun too!!!!
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Wait so you wanted to make a .... 'vaccigen' against a dangerous chemical BEFORE you had even read a biochemistry text book?
On what premise was your 'research' based?
What's the thesis of your intended 'plan' and what molecular biology techniques did you plan on using to develop this super vaccigen of yours?
How did you plan on FUNDAMENTALLY quantifying the existence of the 'vaccigen'-ligand complex (i'm not talking western blot's etc.here)? Do you own a functional NMR or x-ray crystallography lab with access to a proton synchrotron?
Do you think any establishment is going to give you a grant for the study of a scheduled compound without the DEA first giving you approval?
StExo i'll gladly go toe to toe with you over biochemistry because he is describing protein biochemistry, he just lacks the knowledge to know what he is describing. I am more then qualified to debate the topic of biochemistry as most of the physical life sciences (eg. molecular biology) are just tools needed in a biochemistry research project. They're rather annoying actually cuz you gotta spend all this time making crapping cloning vectors, translating, seperating, purifying, quantifying them etc. before you can even get to the good stuff in any such research study to look for prophylactic or trauma induced acute compounds to block the ligand's (in this case scopolamine) mode of action. I'll remind you, that IS BIOCHEMISTRY.
You're right in that he probably did go read an Introduction to Biochemistry textbook and figured he knew how to apply biochemistry to the study of ligand-complex formation when biochemistry alone won't do jack shit for him because us biochemist's rely on you boring biologists and your mol. bio, immunology, virology, etc. principles and techniques in the lab to produce the complexes required for our research of .... biological chemicals.
Where do you plan on doing all this anyways? In your basement? Gonna have them install a big ol' 800MHz NMR down there? Centrifuges? (microcentrifuges? ultracentrifuges?), Autoclave? Do you have the glassware? Do you have the basic reagent's a biochemistry lab would be stocked with? Do you even know what ... hrmm ... let's go with Agar is today? (and no googling !!). Optical/fluroescent specrometer's? HPLC and the appropriate column for a ligand bound complex you don't even know the theory of it's size or structure for? Do you have a PCR machine? (it's funny, the guy that developed PCR spent hours putting one test tube in one water bath, then another, then the third, cycle 1 complete, repeat, over and over and over again, until he won the nobel prize for coming up with a fairly easy solution to DNA amplification. The imagery of him doing this in my head just makes me laugh though haha). The required reagent's to carry out a PCR? Do you know how to ligate your novel DNA fragment into it's cloning vector? I'll tell you it's a mother fucking bitch with some proteins. Then again no biochemist has worked backwards to produce a magical protein on an unstudied ligand (scopalamine) binding topology. Fume hood? Electrophoretic equipment? Shakers? -70C to store your samples? Do you know how to do a blot? Do you know how to do any of this with a very dangerous chemical in an open laboratory, cuz ... you can't.
What you're describing is like 3 full PhD thesis projects in one lol, it's utterly hilarious to any scientist here.
I shoulda just skipped all the crap and quoted @doublemint, cuz that's all you're doing, lying to who I guess you think are a bunch of junkies, but within which there are intelligent folk with degree's in the physical sciences. I mean I may not have graduated magna or summa cum laude, but I still think a plain jane PhD in biochemistry is enough to strip away any incredibly ridiculous claim's you're making.
Want some ricin with that scopolamine? I'll hook you up bro, I swim in the shit yo.
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StExo i'll gladly go toe to toe with you over biochemistry because he is describing protein biochemistry, he just lacks the knowledge to know what he is describing. I am more then qualified to debate the topic of biochemistry as most of the physical life sciences (eg. molecular biology) are just tools needed in a biochemistry research project. They're rather annoying actually cuz you gotta spend all this time making crapping cloning vectors, translating, seperating, purifying, quantifying them etc. before you can even get to the good stuff in any such research study to look for prophylactic or trauma induced acute compounds to block the ligand's (in this case scopolamine) mode of action. I'll remind you, that IS BIOCHEMISTRY.
What he's planning isn't just biochemistry, it's a part but by no means whatsoever a big share. Medical testing - I doubt he's qualified to do that either, both on animal species, human testing stages, he probably doesn't even understand basic cellular testing. Even having a Ph.D in Biochemistry wouldn't qualify somebody to test anything on humans, this is why we have teams to work on this kind of project including a massive array of scientists and medics such as biochemists, pharmacologists, pharmacists, toxicologists, emergency medicine specialists, organic chemists etc. Hell, cardioversion isn't as it looks on TV except for GoodDoctor who can probably command a person to survive anything given his amazing scientific knowledge already.
GoodDoctor, looks like you have me and quinone on board to help you develop your project. All you need now is the £500,000,000 to further research, pay staff, faculty access, independent verification and review, scientific journal publicity etc etc etc. And quin, HPLCs? Man you're old, they're now all UHPLC's haha, I got a bitchy comment from a supervising associate for not including the Ultra part because they seemed really proud of it.
Yeah I won't argue with you, it's just that the biochemistry part alone would be I dunnno 2-3 full theses (thesisis? lol).
To be honest it hadn't even crossed my mind the stage of testing on live animals and humans cuz it'll take year's of work just to develop a ligand-protein complex that inactivates the ligand (scopalamine) ... just the folding and geometry of the protein alone will eat away at least a full year's work ... and that protein is still COMPLETELY theoretical in it's proposed function, hence the animal testing. That too would take several years.
And yeah we still call em plain old HPLC's :P as long as there's an automated means of obtaining my aliquot's i'm content with a plain old HPLC ... that is until I am nearing the end of my project and have what I believe/hope is my protein (PURE) at which time i'd use a fancy dancy UHPLC.
I mean I could have asked, assuming he was doing proton-proton NMR (which would make no sense in quantifying a protein ... where there are like carbon's and nitrogens and stuff) if he was going to do COSY, TOCSY, EXSY, NOESY and his approach but that's simply 2 dimentional NMR. Can't really be studying the spatial geometry, kinetics and dynamics of a protein when you can only see it's proton's. I figured he's learned enough for today so no sense taking him deeper into the rabbit hole of multidimensional NMR such as HNCA or HNCOCA wherein you'd actually get valuable data regarding your protein :-X :-X
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My vote is to leave this off the road. If you're capable of doing real and applicable drug research, you shouldn't need to order the chemical off SR. However TC, SR has some anti-psychotics that I think you'll find very beneficial.
Agreed .. Ths stuff is too dangerous for SR even
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if u desperate order it from chinese labs by kilos :P
if you are seroius about loking for so callled antidote then you should research Pilocarpine which counteracts tropane alkaloids.
peace out
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You really can not be serious man, if you were all so serious about getting hold of some Scopolamine for your little research project, you don't even need to come to SR to find it. I'm not providing you with information of where to acquire said substance as in the wrong hands this is some serious shit. You obviously haven't researched this substance at all well.
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I have experimented with Scopolamine recently on a willing subject. I'm interested to discuss with people who have experimented with it also. PM is key
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Pilocarpine is the antidote for scopolamine. Just curious, why would you want a vaccine for scopolamine?
What practical purpose does it serve?
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This shits legal and u can by it overseas, ive used it a few times to rape some bitches and they fucked me like im their daddy, then when they woke up like who the fuck are you i showed em our porn and they couldnt do shit about it (thats consent bitches!)
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This shits legal and u can by it overseas, ive used it a few times to rape some bitches and they fucked me like im their daddy, then when they woke up like who the fuck are you i showed em our porn and they couldnt do shit about it (thats consent bitches!)
Not really into the idea of raping, but whatever, as long as you no where near my female family!!!
However, I do have some moral flexibility!! Could I use this on my wife, and finally get laid again!!!;}
Would she know what happened, and would her ass hurt the next day:} lol
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Pilocarpine is the antidote for scopolamine. Just curious, why would you want a vaccine for scopolamine?
What practical purpose does it serve?
Scopalamine is harsh on your eyes and if you're prone to ocular problems (and it's hard to identify if you are until you actually have an ocular condition) it can easily make such a person go blind. So that's why there's an antigen to scopalamine.
It is not a vaccine's, vaccine's are given to you BEFORE you are prone to the disease for which the vaccine was made.
Pilocarpine is't used solely to treat scopalamine poisoning (because scopalamine is a potent poison if you take too much, there's a very slim margin between efficacy and being poisonous). It's used primarily as a treatment for various glaucoma's and is also used to treat dry-mouth.
People who take scopalamine recreationally almost all report having strained vision for up to a week. My roommate back in university couldn't even read text from a newspaper or textbook for several days and even told me it was painful when he tried to do so.
Scopalamine is a pretty dirty 'drug' and I don't really know why anyone would wish to use it recreationally. It induces full out delusion (not hallucination) and people who use it can only recall brief moment's of their delerium, and definitely do very strange and bizarre thing's under it's influence.
That vice documentary on it is complete bullshit, you cannot give someone scopalamine and then control their actions. The US government and USSR spent year's and hundreds of millions of dollar's trying to find a drug that induces a 'manchurian candidate' and both concluded that there is no known drug that can make a person under it's influence completely submit to the will of that person. Every drug studied had side effects that led to the victim still recalling fragment's of their interrogation and that they mess up the victim's perception of reality too much for the information they give to be reliably believed to be the truth and not just delusionally induced gibberish. I hate arguing with people who are convinced there are 'truth serums', if there were we wouldn't be water-boarding criminal's oversea's for terrorist intelligence, use your noggin ppl (who think there are 'truth serum's).
They actually use scopalamine in a number of medical treatment's, but they use quantities that have been diluted several hundreds to thousands of times.
Using scopalamine recreationally is kind of silly because it doesn't produce any helpful or informative high, just pure delusion, it causes severe short term ocular problem's in all of it's user's and it's been clearly shown to cause long term ocular problems in people. I don't know why anyone would want to take a chemical that's going to produce permanent unfix-able problem's in their vision a few years after taking it, and when it produces no real fun.
There's like 200 or more phenethylamine analogs that you'll have a lot more of an enjoyable time with. PIHKAL people, PIHKAL !
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So the OP probably learned of it here (VICE): http://m.vice.com/en_ca/vice-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2
OP is looking for a date rape drug, please nobody sell this guy anything, he's contradictory in his story and it bothers me such people exist.
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Pilocarpine is the antidote for scopolamine. Just curious, why would you want a vaccine for scopolamine?
What practical purpose does it serve?
Scopalamine is harsh on your eyes and if you're prone to ocular problems (and it's hard to identify if you are until you actually have an ocular condition) it can easily make such a person go blind. So that's why there's an antigen to scopalamine.
It is not a vaccine's, vaccine's are given to you BEFORE you are prone to the disease for which the vaccine was made.
Pilocarpine is't used solely to treat scopalamine poisoning (because scopalamine is a potent poison if you take too much, there's a very slim margin between efficacy and being poisonous). It's used primarily as a treatment for various glaucoma's and is also used to treat dry-mouth.
People who take scopalamine recreationally almost all report having strained vision for up to a week. My roommate back in university couldn't even read text from a newspaper or textbook for several days and even told me it was painful when he tried to do so.
Scopalamine is a pretty dirty 'drug' and I don't really know why anyone would wish to use it recreationally. It induces full out delusion (not hallucination) and people who use it can only recall brief moment's of their delerium, and definitely do very strange and bizarre thing's under it's influence.
That vice documentary on it is complete bullshit, you cannot give someone scopalamine and then control their actions. The US government and USSR spent year's and hundreds of millions of dollar's trying to find a drug that induces a 'manchurian candidate' and both concluded that there is no known drug that can make a person under it's influence completely submit to the will of that person. Every drug studied had side effects that led to the victim still recalling fragment's of their interrogation and that they mess up the victim's perception of reality too much for the information they give to be reliably believed to be the truth and not just delusionally induced gibberish. I hate arguing with people who are convinced there are 'truth serums', if there were we wouldn't be water-boarding criminal's oversea's for terrorist intelligence, use your noggin ppl (who think there are 'truth serum's).
They actually use scopalamine in a number of medical treatment's, but they use quantities that have been diluted several hundreds to thousands of times.
Using scopalamine recreationally is kind of silly because it doesn't produce any helpful or informative high, just pure delusion, it causes severe short term ocular problem's in all of it's user's and it's been clearly shown to cause long term ocular problems in people. I don't know why anyone would want to take a chemical that's going to produce permanent unfix-able problem's in their vision a few years after taking it, and when it produces no real fun.
There's like 200 or more phenethylamine analogs that you'll have a lot more of an enjoyable time with. PIHKAL people, PIHKAL !
Not really here to judge others on their drive to experience different drugs. If you read earlier in the thread, I think I mentioned I have dosed out Jimsonweed. Granted, I had other powerful datura alkaloids during my trip, but from my experience, I had a good dose of scopolamine. Well worth the experience in my eyes, so yea, I may be silly, and have done some silly things, but I rather know than not!
I am not sure about the strain on the eyes as much as the dilation, but I too was unable to read text for a week. I happened to do this while in grade school, so that made it difficult:} I would not say this stuff is a truth serum, but it does put you in a place that you can be controlled. Maybe not pure scopo, but JW could. The delusions, illusions, hallucinations are so real you do not know the difference. There was a point during the ride that I was able to control in good detail my experience. I was so dream like state that what happened when my eyes closed was so real that I felt the physical of it! That was the best part of the trip!!
To each their own.