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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: Locker on July 29, 2012, 10:44 am
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In an recent interview with Peter Sunde (brokep, piratebay co-founder), while fighting court cases and legal stuggles he is considering moving over to tor and I2p. This is likely to bring thousands upon thousands of kids and 13 year old's to the tor network, and when they find silk road we are going to get Alot of noobs and kids trying to buy drugs.
I'm not saying I have a problem with it, sure I started early but will this just make us a bigger target to LE?
Locker.
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I think the secrets been out for awhile
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I know, but most people don't bother. Thousands of people use the pirate bay and will move over to tor.
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In an recent interview with Peter Sunde (brokep, piratebay co-founder), while fighting court cases and legal stuggles he is considering moving over to tor and I2p. This is likely to bring thousands upon thousands of kids and 13 year old's to the tor network, and when they find silk road we are going to get Alot of noobs and kids trying to buy drugs.
I'm not saying I have a problem with it, sure I started early but will this just make us a bigger target to LE?
Locker.
you one selfish mothefucka ;)
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lol more like millions and silkroad should become invite only. or have random sign up days like once a month.
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lol more like millions and silkroad should become invite only. or have random sign up days like once a month.
yous too..
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lol more like millions and silkroad should become invite only. or have random sign up days like once a month.
yous too..
Aha, it's not that I don't want them to come here. I mean sure If i found this when I was 13 I would be a happy kid ;D
I just mean that tens of thousands of kids getting drugs from silk road, we are going to be a much bigger priority to be taken down.
Locker.
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lol more like millions and silkroad should become invite only. or have random sign up days like once a month.
This would be horrible...
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lol more like millions and silkroad should become invite only. or have random sign up days like once a month.
yous too..
Aha, it's not that I don't want them to come here. I mean sure If i found this when I was 13 I would be a happy kid ;D
I just mean that tens of thousands of kids getting drugs from silk road, we are going to be a much bigger priority to be taken down.
Locker.
It isn't a danger because most 13 year old's are going to have significant trouble getting their hands on bitcoins. It would be closer to... well, let's guesstimate.
Say, 5 to 10 million piratebay users...
13 year old's smart enough to torrent probably comprise... just guessing here, but maybe .1% of that population? (10K)
Said 13 year old's smart enough to use tor... probably only... well, torrenting is rather easy, so I'm guessing... .1% of the .1%... (10)
Said 13 year old's having the ability to get bitcoins... 10%? Seems good to me.
So I guess... in the end...
I, for one, welcome our new 13 year old overlord. ;D
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lol more like millions and silkroad should become invite only. or have random sign up days like once a month.
yous too..
Aha, it's not that I don't want them to come here. I mean sure If i found this when I was 13 I would be a happy kid ;D
I just mean that tens of thousands of kids getting drugs from silk road, we are going to be a much bigger priority to be taken down.
Locker.
It isn't a danger because most 13 year old's are going to have significant trouble getting their hands on bitcoins. It would be closer to... well, let's guesstimate.
Say, 5 to 10 million piratebay users...
13 year old's smart enough to torrent probably comprise... just guessing here, but maybe .1% of that population? (10K)
Said 13 year old's smart enough to use tor... probably only... well, torrenting is rather easy, so I'm guessing... .1% of the .1%... (10)
Said 13 year old's having the ability to get bitcoins... 10%? Seems good to me.
So I guess... in the end...
I, for one, welcome our new 13 year old overlord. ;D
out of 10k 13 yr olds only 10 can get on tor? I had pretty much no difficulty getting onto tor? :o
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i say fuck the DEA, new users should be always welcome!
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lol more like millions and silkroad should become invite only. or have random sign up days like once a month.
yous too..
Aha, it's not that I don't want them to come here. I mean sure If i found this when I was 13 I would be a happy kid ;D
I just mean that tens of thousands of kids getting drugs from silk road, we are going to be a much bigger priority to be taken down.
Locker.
It isn't a danger because most 13 year old's are going to have significant trouble getting their hands on bitcoins. It would be closer to... well, let's guesstimate.
Say, 5 to 10 million piratebay users...
13 year old's smart enough to torrent probably comprise... just guessing here, but maybe .1% of that population? (10K)
Said 13 year old's smart enough to use tor... probably only... well, torrenting is rather easy, so I'm guessing... .1% of the .1%... (10)
Said 13 year old's having the ability to get bitcoins... 10%? Seems good to me.
So I guess... in the end...
I, for one, welcome our new 13 year old overlord. ;D
out of 10k 13 yr olds only 10 can get on tor? I had pretty much no difficulty getting onto tor? :o
And you are how old? Keep in mind, we are talking about fucking barely-teens here. It doesn't matter where they grow up. With a very small number of exceptions, they are morons. Realistically, I wouldn't expect more than maybe... well, my guesstimations already spelled it out. 10 to 50 to join, and 1 to 5 to actually be able to buy.
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thought of something similar earlier if it was possible- a torrent tracker over tor. sounds cool and much more secure than how it is today where you can see all users IPs, but..
would surely cause lots of new traffic on these nodes, this site would surely load reaaaallly slow with this many new people, especcialy if they are downloading/uploading as much as torrents require. Would need many many more new nodes. The tiny traffic so far mostly with people just viewing websites like this would be very tiny in comparison to that traffic..
Dont you guys think the resilience of TOR nodes is a big threat?
As it is now, many ISPs allow nodes to be up. But this could easily change I think..?
Many are using TOR IPs to do crime, view/host childporn, spam etc.. theres a limit on how many times you can tell your ISP "its not me, I only run a TOR node.. its other users using my IP!". Ultimately its the ISP (who may push responsibility on you) who are responsible for the traffic on your IP
Theres a set of templates on the TOR site that you are supposed to give your ISP when they complain about crime.
I tried setting up some non-exit relays on some legit dedicated servers, after a month or few all the hosts complained and threatend to shut down the servers because of it.
So the ones that do run and continue to successfully keep these nodes alive must have some very liberal and accepting hosts or something.. I wonder how long that can last? I mean how long the hosts accept all kindsa crime to occur from their IPs to allow TOR to live.
Any chanse it can (in worst case) live on in a botnet-style distributed network with short-lived nodes on compromised hosts or something then?
Im not sure, but I fear what can happen if ISPs get much stricter on ppl running TOR nodes and allowing crime to happen in/from their network.
Im not sure how non-exit relays would be affected by this and if ISPs will be able to legitimate shutting down pure non-exit relay ones they dont know whats happening on, but the list of TOR IPs are public and the hosts I tried it with all found out somehow and did not approve. With more criminal things being forced into a corner like this it will be very easy for the authorities to strangle alot of different crime by just striking down on all TOR nodes much harder.
Think some big new things and many times the current amount of nodes would be required for such huge torrent traffic to be sustainable on these nodes atleast..
sry bit offtopic but..
Not sure tho, Im a big newb to all this.. anyone know anything about these things?
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Not gonna work, tor isn`t optimized for such high bandwidth, especially so many users on the network.
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thought of something similar earlier if it was possible- a torrent tracker over tor. sounds cool and much more secure than how it is today where you can see all users IPs, but..
would surely cause lots of new traffic on these nodes, this site would surely load reaaaallly slow with this many new people, especcialy if they are downloading/uploading as much as torrents require. Would need many many more new nodes. The tiny traffic so far mostly with people just viewing websites like this would be very tiny in comparison to that traffic..
Dont you guys think the resilience of TOR nodes is a big threat?
As it is now, many ISPs allow nodes to be up. But this could easily change I think..?
Many are using TOR IPs to do crime, view/host childporn, spam etc.. theres a limit on how many times you can tell your ISP "its not me, I only run a TOR node.. its other users using my IP!". Ultimately its the ISP (who may push responsibility on you) who are responsible for the traffic on your IP
Theres a set of templates on the TOR site that you are supposed to give your ISP when they complain about crime.
I tried setting up some non-exit relays on some legit dedicated servers, after a month or few all the hosts complained and threatend to shut down the servers because of it.
So the ones that do run and continue to successfully keep these nodes alive must have some very liberal and accepting hosts or something.. I wonder how long that can last? I mean how long the hosts accept all kindsa crime to occur from their IPs to allow TOR to live.
Any chanse it can (in worst case) live on in a botnet-style distributed network with short-lived nodes on compromised hosts or something then?
Im not sure, but I fear what can happen if ISPs get much stricter on ppl running TOR nodes and allowing crime to happen in/from their network.
Im not sure how non-exit relays would be affected by this and if ISPs will be able to legitimate shutting down pure non-exit relay ones they dont know whats happening on, but the list of TOR IPs are public and the hosts I tried it with all found out somehow and did not approve. With more criminal things being forced into a corner like this it will be very easy for the authorities to strangle alot of different crime by just striking down on all TOR nodes much harder.
Think some big new things and many times the current amount of nodes would be required for such huge torrent traffic to be sustainable on these nodes atleast..
sry bit offtopic but..
Not sure tho, Im a big newb to all this.. anyone know anything about these things?
This sound's impossible...