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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: AJAPAI on April 19, 2012, 02:31 am
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Ok im bored so i was thinking who would win a war between the U.S.A or the U.K?
1. YES ALLIES CAN GET INVOLVED BUT WOULD RUSSIA OR CHINA EVEN WASTE THERE TIME ON USELESS BLOODSHED? THATS THE KEY QUESTION.
Im very aware that british soldiers are trained far better than the u.s soldiers however, the u.s has a huge army but if the allies were to get involved the yanks might be in trouble.
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Tiny island vs world super power?
Hmmm let me think about that for a minute.
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well, if I remember correctly, your question has already been answered once.....
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I think both would lose. UK's ICBM subs carry up to 192 warheads with a range of up to 13 000 km and we all know how much stuff the US have.
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well of course we know the u.k is tiny but what if the allies were to get involved? would they? i know most of europe would but the main competition would be russia or china
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The idea of a war between the UK and the US is unrealistic. These two countries have been the closest of allies for a century. You did, however, mention what I think could be a realistic war in the future.
If one looks at the population centers of the two other nations (Russia & China) one can see that the Chinese are closer to much of the resource rich eastern side of Russia.
Those two countries are much more likely to go at it than the UK and US, which the US would win as handily as it wanted to.
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I think if the U.S utilized 100% of it's deploy-able forces, the UK would be fucked. Hard. Russia, china, nobody would stop it. Afghanistan and Iran were a joke. We (US) gave all of maybe 5% effort and destroyed them. The world has yet to see what the US is truly capable of. No nukes needed.
~Ex U.S Army.
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lol yea i guess your right honestly im sure we would make minced meat out of the u.k one on one but if the allies stepped in to aid the u.k i think it then becomes a toss up. But would russia or china take the chance at us or just sit back and laugh who knows because i know the u.k and u.s would never fight but idk im just stoned and was thinking about it.
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I think if the U.S utilized 100% of it's deploy-able forces, the UK would be fucked. Hard. Russia, china, nobody would stop it. Afghanistan and Iran were a joke. We (US) gave all of maybe 5% effort and destroyed them. The world has yet to see what the US is truly capable of. No nukes needed.
~Ex U.S Army.
So u think russia or china wouldnt step in?
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I think if the U.S utilized 100% of it's deploy-able forces, the UK would be fucked. Hard. Russia, china, nobody would stop it. Afghanistan and Iran were a joke. We (US) gave all of maybe 5% effort and destroyed them. The world has yet to see what the US is truly capable of. No nukes needed.
~Ex U.S Army.
So u think russia or china wouldnt step in?
They're staring at eachother like hungry animals right now.
Would you help your neighbor, just to have your backdoor kicked in by your other neighbor the second you leave the house? Russia can, but wont fight a war on two fronts. China, well, they might do something, but there goes any chance of the US paying back all that money. China can't really afford to stop taking money from us at the moment.
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I think if the U.S utilized 100% of it's deploy-able forces, the UK would be fucked. Hard. Russia, china, nobody would stop it. Afghanistan and Iran were a joke. We (US) gave all of maybe 5% effort and destroyed them. The world has yet to see what the US is truly capable of. No nukes needed.
~Ex U.S Army.
So u think russia or china wouldnt step in?
They're staring at eachother like hungry animals right now.
Would you help your neighbor, just to have your backdoor kicked in by your other neighbor the second you leave the house? Russia can, but wont fight a war on two fronts. China, well, they might do something, but there goes any chance of the US paying back all that money. China can't really afford to stop taking money from us at the moment.
Very true on the money aspect so i guess it would come down to u.s.a vs the u.k, russia and whatever other european countries that help the u.k which would be all of europe i really wouldnt worry about a war against europe just idk russia is sketchy they just seem to have unknown nasty nuclear shit that we never hear of and those motherfuckers are crazy it just seems it wouldnt be as easy as it seems.
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Russians ARE fucking crazy.
Like, no fucking joke. Nuts. All of em.
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russia supports iran's nuclear program, and north korea is working on missles. when the shit hits the fan, it will be russia, iran, north korea, and a few rebel fighters from other mideastern countries, against the u.s. and the u.k. germany is the only country from the e.u. that matters, the rest is already crumbling. and to be honest, i don't know which way they will lean. china is going to stay out of it as long as they can, but will quit backing the u.s. debt, halting weapon production. israel will stand back as long as they can, since the u.s. is standing back on the iran nuclear situation now. but, i think eventually china will side with russia, iran, and north korea. israel will back the u.s. and the u.k. at that point.
meanwhile, central america will have legalized the flow of drugs from south america to the u.s. and interstate 69 is almost complete. this is a super highway from mexico to canada.
america won't be able to rally troups, because the youth is sick of the establishment, and with the fresh supply of dope from south america, will most likely sit back and get stoned, and watch it all burn. or look for safe haven in canada or the netherlands.
but, that's just what it looks like to me. i've been wrong before.
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sounds like your brain farted, once you posed the question. unsure on how the divergence of such matters can leave one empty headed. thank you public schooling.
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sounds like your brain farted, once you posed the question. unsure on how the divergence of such matters can leave one empty headed. thank you public schooling.
lol well thanks for stating the complete obvious did u not read where i said i was stoned and was just thinking and that it wasnt a serious subject? U seem like an american that got offended that i even ask such a thing because u think automatically of the top of your head that the u.s would kill the u.k. nailed it on the head didnt i?
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The UK as they will soon invent the Knightmare and become once again a superpower.
All hail Britannia!
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it'd end up being a war of attrition, with the US navy sinking everything
attempting a landing would be successful but a bloodbath
this is a ridiculous thing to discuss
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lol of course its ridiculous read the thread its a laughing matter haha joke i was stoned and just posted it quit taking it so serious people.
But if u really think about it if china and russia stepped in the u.s might not be getting away with the win so easy.
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White people are crazy, so I don't think either side would 'win' but would probably just annihilate each other or themselves. :(
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Granted the US has far larger resources than the UK.....but the UK has the Welsh, Scottish and Irish. 3 of the most mental nations on the planet.
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USA would win, but our chaps would put up a jolly good fight, what what.
Also our fighter pilots would have far better mustaches.
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USA would win, but our chaps would put up a jolly good fight, what what.
Also our fighter pilots would have far better mustaches.
;D
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The Israelites run the world from the U.K. United States is under their control. So is NATO. Russia and China will destroy all of America in an hour. A nuclear holocaust is imminent.
They simply will not look at their future. All these future disasters are simply evolutionary catalysts. Everybody just hang on!
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USA would win, but our chaps would put up a jolly good fight, what what.
Also our fighter pilots would have far better mustaches.
Are RAF pilots allowed to have facial hair? I thought it interfere with the seal of the oxygen mask.
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If they ever went to war, you'd have far larger problems to worry about than who would come out of it victorious. Wars aren't fought with nukes people. Wars are ended with them. If nukes were dropped, I doubt half of you would even be around to see who won.
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It would get so nasty lol just think if russia got involved only god knows what type of fuckin shit they have up there sleeve i can just see them having shit that would make us deformed and what not haha.
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Russia WILL get involved. They are far superior.
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There are many files with titles such as:
My Experience With God Last October Concerning The Future Nuclear Attack Against New York City.pdf
Russian Nuclear Military Strategy-Nuclear Attack Prophecies.pdf
AMERICAN HOLOCAUST PREPARATIONS and PROPHECIES.pdf
Terrorists Will Nuke New York City.pdf
RUSSIAN NUCLEAR WAR PREPARATIONS.pdf
AMERICAN HOLOCAUST and The Coming NEW WORLD ORDER.pdf
Los Angeles Nuclear Destruction Prophecies.pdf
Phoenix Arizona Nuclear Destruction Prophecies.pdf
Miami Nuclear Destruction Prophecies.pdf
Attacks on America by China and Russia Prophetic Warnings.pdf
The future is in front of your eyes yet some still refuse to look.
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Why are we focusing on Russia when we're discussing a hypothetical situation between the United Kingdom and the United States of America? ???
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Why are we focusing on Russia when we're discussing a hypothetical situation between the United Kingdom and the United States of America? ???
because russia would aid the uk if we were to get into a war
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Because the UK and the US are allies really. The U.S. is fucked anyway, the ones at the top of the pyramid planned the destruction themselves!
This is another problem-reaction-solution situation. World War 3 erupts, the U.S. gets nuked, suddenly out of nowhere appears our savior (antichrist) from the UK: Prince William.
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well yea like i doubt we would ever go into war with the u.k but being stoned one thought about it. And i dont think it would be an easy war to be honest. someone called me insane and stupid for making this thread but if u really think about it its a kool subject to think about.
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Why are we focusing on Russia when we're discussing a hypothetical situation between the United Kingdom and the United States of America? ???
because russia would aid the uk if we were to get into a war
That's bshit, Russia hates the UK more than they do the US. Anyway, even in a conventional war nobody would help the UK because that would mean certain annihilation.
Now China vs US, that's an interesting case (and not so unthinkable as shit continues as it does.)
Europe would join VS ofourse, Russia China (although they hate each other as well). Just to give an indication, say the US managed to exterminate 1b chinese, than they still have twice as many people as the US.
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People are nice after wars. Can't wait till the holographic alien invasion :D
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It would get so nasty lol just think if russia got involved only god knows what type of fuckin shit they have up there sleeve i can just see them having shit that would make us deformed and what not haha.
Forget Russia. They're definitely brutal, but with all of the military testing, black projects, etc., I wouldn't doubt if the US has their hands on some of the most hazardous biological weapons we can even imagine. I'd even go as far as saying that biological is a thing of the past. I'm sure we have some prototype weapons that we couldn't even imagine.
Don't forget China though. Imagine if they ever had a mandatory draft during a gigantic world war. They could pull off some stupid shit like having 2 soldiers for every man woman and child in the United States.
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Can't we all just get along? ;D
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U.S.A could wipe out life on Earth if it wanted to
I doubt any country that isn't highly convinced of their God(s) will use nuclear weapons against other countries that have them in significant amounts, simply because it will be mutually assured destruction. Having a lot of nuclear weapons pretty much protects you from being attacked with them. The thought of people who care more about the afterlife than reality having nuclear bombs is scary though, they don't care about mutually assured destruction because they are convinced of their fairy tales.
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i love everyone
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Russia WILL get involved. They are far superior.
Check out this link: http://xsin4xbme24aatvk.onion/
There are many files with titles such as:
My Experience With God Last October Concerning The Future Nuclear Attack Against New York City.pdf
Russian Nuclear Military Strategy-Nuclear Attack Prophecies.pdf
AMERICAN HOLOCAUST PREPARATIONS and PROPHECIES.pdf
Terrorists Will Nuke New York City.pdf
RUSSIAN NUCLEAR WAR PREPARATIONS.pdf
AMERICAN HOLOCAUST and The Coming NEW WORLD ORDER.pdf
Los Angeles Nuclear Destruction Prophecies.pdf
Phoenix Arizona Nuclear Destruction Prophecies.pdf
Miami Nuclear Destruction Prophecies.pdf
Attacks on America by China and Russia Prophetic Warnings.pdf
The future is in front of your eyes yet some still refuse to look.
You get the idea. They are worth a read. This is serious business. RUN!
fallacious post is fallacious
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Ok im bored so i was thinking who would win a war between the U.S.A or the U.K?
1. YES ALLIES CAN GET INVOLVED BUT WOULD RUSSIA OR CHINA EVEN WASTE THERE TIME ON USELESS BLOODSHED? THATS THE KEY QUESTION.
Im very aware that british soldiers are trained far better than the u.s soldiers however, the u.s has a huge army but if the allies were to get involved the yanks might be in trouble.
It's true the UK has the best trained military in the world. The UK also has the largest military expenditure in the world (second only to US). It's not the largest or most advanced military, but it's certainly up there ranking as a top 5 world power, particularly in terms of air and naval power (the latter of which the UK has always excelled at). The country also has a significant nuclear capability with nuclear armed planes (and many carriers) plus nuclear armed subs, giving the UK a truly global nuclear strike reach (like the US, France and Russia).
However, the UK's military capability would be no match for the US which must be 100 times greater and way more sophisticated. If there was a direct war between the US and UK, the US would win hands down. Being an Island nation heavily dependent on imports too, the US would only need to cut-off trade to the island by blockading Britain's vital daily sea freight trade links.
The only way I could see the UK making any impact against the US would be a pre-emptive all-out strike, a surprise attack. But even then, it's unlikely to be able to deliver the US military a crippling blow due to its sheer size and the geographical size of US. We saw what happened to Japan when they tried that tactic...they only managed to give the US a bloody nose and wake the sleeping giants anger ;-) And the US military today is far more advanced. They have sophisticated satellite early warning systems, and also strategic military bases all across the world.
Summary: The UK attacking the US would be like a wasp stinging a giant who would either squat it, or put a jar over it.
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the US would win through sheer amount of firepower/man power alone, and the fact they're so trigger happy they'd bomb their own kind if they got in the way. As one English soldier said to a news reporter when asked if he was happy fighting side by side with the Americans "yeah it's good to be on their side, but i wouldn't want to get in front of them!"
if it were an even fight, as in a soldier for a soldier both sides, or a technical or intelligent fight the UK would destroy the US
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U.S.A could wipe out life on Earth if it wanted to
I doubt any country that isn't highly convinced of their God(s) will use nuclear weapons against other countries that have them in significant amounts, simply because it will be mutually assured destruction. Having a lot of nuclear weapons pretty much protects you from being attacked with them. The thought of people who care more about the afterlife than reality having nuclear bombs is scary though, they don't care about mutually assured destruction because they are convinced of their fairy tales.
If it came to nuclear warfare, the UK would be lagging behind even Israel. Being so small too would make UK highly vulnerable to a nuclear counter-strike, it would be like suicide. Also the UK lacks any land-based intercontinental nukes AFIAK..that means any UK nuclear strike against US would have to be by air or sea. The UK only has 4 nuclear armed subs and so would need to build up a considerable naval fleet in the Atlantic with several carriers to launch a full-scale nuclear strike... even if the UK armed all its fighter jets the distance is too great they would need to refuel on carriers.
By the time the UK had this deployed the US would be onto them. These days, any such operations involving deploying nuclear armed subs and carriers in the Atlantic (even training exercises) have to be declared, the US is constantly monitoring.
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I dunno, Britain would stand a good chance, especially now we're doubling the size of the RAF ;D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9203822/Spitfires-buried-in-Burma-during-war-to-be-returned-to-UK.html
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lol it still just comes down to who allies the u.k i think. Honestly the uk would get all of europe so we would be fighting not just the u.k. And unfortunatly i have heard that the brits have done piss poor in aiding the americans in afghanistan. But that could be some p.o.s american soldier just talking shit but i have heard it from numerous american troops.
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No single country could take on the US but if a few of them got together we'd be in trouble. One nuke in the air to generate an EMP would take out every electronic device in the UK. It's a wrap after that.
I doubt we could beat Russia or China on their own ground. Russia is too big and China has too many people. How have those previous invasions of Russia worked out?
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And unfortunatly i have heard that the brits have done piss poor in aiding the americans in afghanistan. But that could be some p.o.s american soldier just talking shit but i have heard it from numerous american troops.
Most of the UK soldiers who i've known to return from Afghanistan and Iraq come back hating the US guys. Usually because they have been asked to turn a blind eye to nasty shit. I won't repeat any specific stories, but it's safe to say that the worst stuff you hear about on the news isn't the exception, it's just a small sample of what goes on every day.
In military speak, doing a "piss poor job in aiding the americans" probably means that the UK boys weren't quite as willing to commit atrocities.
I'm no fan of the military, and I feel sorry for the poor indoctrinated fuckers. I can see why it would be a tempting career, especially to people from deprived areas who would otherwise not be able to achieve much. Just give up the right to make your own decisions, and you will be fed, paid, treated as a hero, travel the world, and wield the power of life and death with the full backing of your country. When you kill someone you don't have to feel bad, because you are killing in the name of your country, and with the sanction of your government.
I grew up on and around various military bases, and I was a step away from being one of these poor fuckers myself. I'm glad I turned to drugs instead. Fuck fighting rich people's wars for them.
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well, if I remember correctly, your question has already been answered once.....
this
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This is a great question, it really got me thinking, so I called President Obama to discuss it. He agreed to start a war with the UK.
Now we just wait and see. He didn;t tell me when it's going to start, but he said that we would do a sneak attack.
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If USA attacks UK, doesn't that also mean it attacks AUS as well, I mean the countries are so closely related.
I'm guessing UK would almost instantaneously have AUS joining them.
Why the heck is there ALWAYS talk about USA and wars... like, constantly.
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If USA attacks UK, doesn't that also mean it attacks AUS as well, I mean the countries are so closely related.
I'm guessing UK would almost instantaneously have AUS joining them.
Why the heck is there ALWAYS talk about USA and wars... like, constantly.
Well you all seem to be overlooking the fact that the British Empire Crown overlooks more than just England, Scotland, and Ireland. Other countries under the Queen's rule are Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, Barbados, and Jamaica just to name a few. That jerked chicken will really do a number on your colon, mon.
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last time I checked, Canada was concentrating it's army and population within 100 miles of the US border.
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peace means having a bigger stick than the other guy.
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The USA of course! But they'll spend so much money on it you'll wonder who really won. Net beneficiaries: The Canadians and Chinese will do a merger and produce libertarian babies to run the 21st century properly.
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^ We spend 43% of the world military budget, that is more than the next 17 highest military budget countries. It doesn't mean we are the best trained always but we still have more shit than you can shake a stick at. It would probably result in a bunch of countries including the U.S. being just completely demolished by nukes or something. I don''t think it will happen until the world starts to run out of resources hardcore.
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Hold the fuck on there sports-fans.
The U.K would clearly win because we could just throw crumpets, scones and the cup of tea at the the U.S which would just confuse the fuck out of the Americans. We did this for 100s of years, built the largest empire in history with crumpets, scones and cups of tea. Also the U.S wouldn't be able to understand and read our messages because of the dodgy accents like Scouse, Geordie and Yorkshire and they wouldn't even half get Cockney rhyming slang let alone the Welsh, Scots, Irish or people from the South West. The U.S would be listening in for ages and we could just snatch Obama because they didn't realize we were saying "Let's go snatch Obama and use him as a bargaining chip."
Also we have the Queen, you can't nuke an 80 odd year old woman and on top of that the U.S.A's Grandma and if the U.S nuked us she would give you one of those "We are not amused." crossed with "I'm not angry, just disappointed." looks and there is no way the U.S could resist that shit.
Finally if the U.S invaded they wouldn't be able to hack our eccentricities so they would land, maybe shoot a few tramps and be like "Actually....fuck this little island....there must be something in the water because there is someone over there wearing wellington boots and a flat peak cap and genuinely thinking they look good..."
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I've resisted this thread for a while now but i've finally given up.
Ok to the OP.
The USA would win, they have a larger, more sophisticated nuclear arsenal, a much larger army and if they ever looked in trouble they would just deploy it thus destroying the UK. On the subject of allies we can't just say 'oh the EU would side with the UK', it depends on the circumstances surrounding the war ie who declared war on who and why. If the USA out of the blue declared war on the UK then yes it is a fair assumption that the EU may come to the UK's aid. Russia would probably be the most vital ally as it has a very large nuclear arsenal as well. But the real crux of the matter is a future world war would most likely be settled by a) nuclear weapons or b) both sides agreeing a truce (the Cold War being the obvious example). If a) occurs the world would be destroyed, not literally as is the earth no longer exists, but all nations would be reduced to 3rd world nations, the US has enough nuclear missiles to pretty much destroy all its opposition and the European nuclear powers have enough to pretty much wipe out the US. Food wouldn't be able to grow due to radiation effects and water would not be safe to drink (imagine Fallout but IRL), although i think it is perceivable that at least some of the human race may survive, it would set us back many many many years especially in terms of infrastructure.
One last point that i felt the need to comment on was this (i hope i quoted it properly);
China, well, they might do something, but there goes any chance of the US paying back all that money. China can't really afford to stop taking money from us at the moment.
China can't afford to stop taking money from the US? I must say that this is completely the wrong way round. The USA is hugely in debt, more than any other nation in the world and this debt is only going to increase (at least in the short term).
a) if the USA stops getting money from China, the US economy collapses, it cannot currently afford to support itself, its budget is not balanced, it operates a huge trade deficit.
b) You mite say 'well the US can just borrow money from someone else' ? Well there are two reasons why this isn't simple.
Firstly in the current economic climate who has the money to support loans to the US ? The EU can barely keep Greece up and that is only because of Germany, and Germany are not the biggest supporter of the US so getting financial aid from them is pretty much off the table even if they could afford it.
Secondly lets pretend that you are a country that does have enough capital to finance the US's debt, here is what you see. The US is borrowing more and more money, more money than anyone can comprehend off China (a country whose economy has come from way down to be one of the top 5 in the world and still growing (hard to say if that is correct right now but as a general trend it will be)). Suddenly the US decides it is not going to pay China back, they have defaulted on all there loans, the standard bearers of free market capitalism have spat in it's face, and now they are asking you for money? You just are not going to lend it them. You are going to keep your money as far away from their hands as possible. And the result ? Again the US economy collapses with unservicable debts of $15trillion+, far far worse than the great depression.
Im not saying that China would escape unscathed, of course they would take a huge hit economically, but China are not relying on the interest payments from its loans to the US to survive, China operate a budget surplus with an export surplus, yes it will be hit, but it will carry on and still be a major economy, in fact it would probably be the largest economy in the world as a result.
On a little aside how about this for a conspiracy theory;
China is the largest 'communist' (i use the term weakly because they still operate in a free market) country in the world. They are also the largest lender to the largest capitalist country in the world the USA. If China is to call in its debts, or rank up the interest payments to the point where the USA has to default, the capitalist system collapses.
Why is China supporting capitalism; the sign of the end of there communist regime, or a move to destroy capitalism ? ;)
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lol i know this is hypothetical and all, but it's so stupid hahaha. its like imagining a war between israel and the u.s., or n. korea vs. china. Theres really no grudge between america and the u.k. anymore. most americans dont even know their own history: the inhumane acts committed by the redcoats prior and during the revolution, the war of 1812, the burning of the presidential mansion. that's all long forgotten now, or at least it doesnt matter at this point. if by some insane chance there actually were another war between the two, america would win; thats not to mean the u.k. wouldn't be a worthy opponent.
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Who will won, master or his servant? :)
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U.K. and U.S.A. are allies, there wouldn't be a war.
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As a side,
America - Available Manpower: 145,212,012 [2011] (Fit for Service: 120,022,084 [2011])
UK - Available Manpower: 29,164,233 [2011] (Fit for Service: 24,035,131 [2011])
America - Total Land Weapons: 56,269
UK - Total Land Weapons: 11,630
America - Total Aircraft: 18,234 [2011]
UK - Total Aircraft: 1,663 [2011]
America - Total Navy Ships: 2,384 [2011]
UK - Total Navy Ships: 99 [2011]
America - Defense Budget: $692,000,000,000 [2011]
UK - Defense Budget: $73,746,170,000 [2011]
America - Reserves of Foreign Exchange & Gold: $150,000,000,000 [2011]
UK - Reserves of Foreign Exchange & Gold: $66,720,000,000 [2011]
America - Purchasing Power: $14,660,000,000,000 [2011]
UK - Purchasing Power: $2,173,000,000,000 [2011]
No brainer.
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World super power vs. tiny island, hmmm....