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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: euphoria99 on April 01, 2012, 02:30 am
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Deeply concerned about this article as mainstream media in UK have caught up first BBC now the sun, the worrying thing is the sun is the most popular newspaper in uk and there will be a lot of interest,although it will bring new clients it will also put pressure on SOCA to do something about silkroad in the UK.
The sun http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4232399/Deadly-drugs-for-sale-in-online-universe-called-Dark-Web.html
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Hahaha what a typical low-brow Murdoch news article. If anything I'd prefer to see the ass-hat who wrote it prosecuted for possession purely due to the poor writing in the article, after all he admitted buying drugs twice.
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the dark web is run by a group of shady fanatics. Can't argue with that considering the biggest network that is part of the dark web (Tor) is funded primarily by the united states government.
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Nice to have a story like that come out with my shit in transit from a vendor whose product is pictured in the article.
Putting ego aside, yeah... just another scare tactic to put complete control over everything. Eversince ISPs in the UK (maybe just 3g providers, not sure) are forced to filter all porn sites by default, I'm very worried about what fucked up laws and policies they are going to implement and what technical ways they will use to enforce them.
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the dark web is run by a group of shady fanatics. Can't argue with that considering the biggest network that is part of the dark web (Tor) is funded primarily by the united states government.
Hahahaha yes! +100 on this
On the bright side though, that rock of MD looks reet tasty. Nice pic lol.
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I would love for someone to please point me in the direction of the Child Porn on SilkRoad....Oh wait there is none.
Its fucking ridiculous them using "DarkWeb" and Silk Road interchangeably. They focus completely on this site and ordering drugs and yett they have to add child pornography in the article. Fucking Fear mongering and propaganda is all that is and it leaves me with no hope in this world that they can make whatever they want up as the truth and people will believe it. I'm emailing that cock sucker who wrote that article and hope you guys will join me. Let this fucker know people don't appreciate lies.
I literally have no hope left for this world...
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i can not understand how these cunts get away with trafficking drugs and admitting it,how can they keep doin it its bullshit if 1 of mine gets tugged can i say im writing a blog ,what would of happened if customs grabbed it ,nothing u just wouldnt of read the bullshit article
are they allowed to bring shit back from afghan and say i was writing about it to show its possible ,everyone knows u can score from 1000s of sites so its not news why is this cunt not arrested
That puzzles me as well. I wonder though, how long it will be before someone sends these kind, impartial journalists some "tokens" of our appreciation of the free publicity they give us.
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I caught guys from The Sun's Aussie equivalent setup on the roof of my old office building with a directional microphone pointed at the outdoor smokers area of the police station across the road. We might be anti LE but these guys are slime-balls.
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I'm a bit miffed that he didn't critique my charlie and that it took 5 days to get to him . My delivery times are usually much better than that :-)
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ah gotta love the sun :)
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Hahaha what a typical low-brow Murdoch news article. If anything I'd prefer to see the ass-hat who wrote it prosecuted for possession purely due to the poor writing in the article, after all he admitted buying drugs twice.
I AGREE 100 HUNDRED FUCKING PERCENT.
Sorry, I cannot contain my enthusiasm ;D
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This is pretty funny. (From the article).
Former Home Secretary David Blunkett said last night: "I'm amazed by what The Sun has uncovered. It is utterly sinister — an online engine of the criminal underworld."
And MP Stephen Mosley said: "I will raise this with ministers as soon as possible."
Reads like a skit from a British comedy show.
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Thankfully the US seems a little too distracted by this plebiscite they are calling an election and the whole Trayvon Martin nonsense to be bothered with this place right now. I don't think we have much to worry about yet, but the media shitstorm is inevitable.
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Thankfully the US seems a little too distracted by this plebiscite they are calling an election and the whole Trayvon Martin nonsense to be bothered with this place right now. I don't think we have much to worry about yet, but the media shitstorm is inevitable.
Is Trayvon Martin that black kid who got murked because he was walking down the street or something?
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Allegedly yes, new evidence pops up on both sides every day. I've just been ignoring the whole thing personally as I do with every sensationalist headline. News organizations are strictly for profit and the judicial system is fubar so nobody will ever know what really happened. Far as anybody really knows the whole thing is just a made up story fabricated by candy companies to sell more iced tea and skittles.
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Allegedly yes, new evidence pops up on both sides every day. I've just been ignoring the whole thing personally as I do with every sensationalist headline. News organizations are strictly for profit and the judicial system is fubar so nobody will ever know what really happened. Far as anybody really knows the whole thing is just a made up story fabricated by candy companies to sell more iced tea and skittles.
Ah ok, no worries then. And in that case I will take one family pack of Skittles and 2 bottles of Liptons. :P
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I'm a bit miffed that he didn't critique my charlie and that it took 5 days to get to him . My delivery times are usually much better than that :-)
I literally laughed out loud when I read this, thanks HH.
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What's the Dark Web?
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I would love for someone to please point me in the direction of the Child Porn on SilkRoad....Oh wait there is none.
Its fucking ridiculous them using "DarkWeb" and Silk Road interchangeably. They focus completely on this site and ordering drugs and yett they have to add child pornography in the article. Fucking Fear mongering and propaganda is all that is and it leaves me with no hope in this world that they can make whatever they want up as the truth and people will believe it. I'm emailing that cock sucker who wrote that article and hope you guys will join me. Let this fucker know people don't appreciate lies.
I literally have no hope left for this world...
I didn't see child porn, or Silk Road listed in that article.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4232399/Deadly-drugs-for-sale-in-online-universe-called-Dark-Web.html
A story got printed in the sun (a big daily newspaper in the U.K.), telling the reader all about the dark web, and silkroad, without mentioning the name 'silkroad' or 'tor'.
This story took pictures directly from the site, and printed names of actual vendors.
Although this news is a bit scary for us, I think this is the kind of publicity that the makers of silkroad want, and can cope with, so hopefully this combined with the new lighter uk drug laws, will mean a larger selection for our uk market!
What do you think?
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yeah, lets hope more UK based vendors turn up
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yeah, lets hope more UK based vendors turn up
I'm from the U.K. :)
Read that article. Twats. Typical botched attempt at journalism. Denied Murdoch, massively denied....
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I've been pondering whether safety in numbers applies to silkroad users, especially when articles in any form of mass media will create some influx of new users...
On one hand the more packages circulating and traffic on the road, the harder it will be to police, but, the more bumbling fucknobs making mistakes and grassing on others will blow SR to pieces...
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I've been pondering whether safety in numbers applies to silkroad users, especially when articles in any form of mass media will create some influx of new users...
On one hand the more packages circulating and traffic on the road, the harder it will be to police, but, the more bumbling fucknobs making mistakes and grassing on others will blow SR to pieces...
Think it's a case of crossing that bridge when you get there mate. Only time will tell I think.
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I've been pondering whether safety in numbers applies to silkroad users, especially when articles in any form of mass media will create some influx of new users...
On one hand the more packages circulating and traffic on the road, the harder it will be to police, but, the more bumbling fucknobs making mistakes and grassing on others will blow SR to pieces...
Think it's a case of crossing that bridge when you get there mate. Only time will tell I think.
+1 Absolutely
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I read the article... this guy is an idiot. "Deadly drugs for sale online..." like that hasn't happened before. Also, since when were deadly drugs not available from your local corner store in the form of alcohol or tobacco?
I think everyone should email this idiot (from Tor of course) and give him a piece of your mind because his email address is public information (obtained easily via a quick google search): b.flynn@the-sun.co.uk
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I'm starting to feel like the days of the Silk Road are numbered, and not because of any report from any journalist. I hear about so much completely idiotic things that people are doing to jeopardize all of this, and I'm talking about things that should be common fucking sense not to do.
But yeah, the article didn't mention Silk Road, I don't know what the fucking Dark Web is, and I don't wanna know. It didn't look like a viral article though.
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I read the article... this guy is an idiot. "Deadly drugs for sale online..." like that hasn't happened before. Also, since when were deadly drugs not available from your local corner store in the form of alcohol or tobacco?
I think everyone should email this idiot (from Tor of course) and give him a piece of your mind because his email address is public information (obtained easily via a quick google search): b.flynn@the-sun.co.uk
No, please don't do that. Let's not draw any unnecessary attention our way from a journalist that already has a hard on for us. Cmon, use your brain. Keep it low key and let it die down, as emailing him will only inflame it further.
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I've been pondering whether safety in numbers applies to silkroad users, especially when articles in any form of mass media will create some influx of new users...
On one hand the more packages circulating and traffic on the road, the harder it will be to police, but, the more bumbling fucknobs making mistakes and grassing on others will blow SR to pieces...
The latter scenario you mentioned is more likely. More attention to Silk Road = more idiots and kids trying to buy drugs and do stupid shit with them and also = more people trying to be sellers, meaning more idiot sellers who do stupid things that jeopardize Silk Road, such as not trying to be as sure as they can that someone is going to be safe with what they ordered and not taking the time to be careful with packaging so some drugs spill out all over a USPS worker...
More traffic = more idiots = bad for business.
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- gonna be a lot of police chiefs and politicians scheming how they can obliterate SR, and how good they will look for promotion.
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I am also British and read the article.
What a load of BS as you Americans would say...
How many drug dealers on the street keep a verifiable list of all past transactions so you can see what others had to say about the quality of their product?
The lethal nature of drugs is caused by the fact they're illegal - which as you all know forces it underground, drives up prices and leads to individual dealers selling concoctions of various strengths. The lack of accountability is far greater "out there" than in our Dark Universe.
In addition, I resent the implication that all SR users are criminals. I don't touch drugs and never have but I am on here to help people invest their money in legal ventures!
V.
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Was bound to happen as it has happened to this place already. Good news is, it aint exactly easy to get to SR, get bitcoins, use TOR properly and not get ripped off/piss off a seller! I doubt this place is going to be flooded with GIEB DRUGS PLZ anytime soon, god willing.
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There's no such thing as bad publicity!
Although it's not too complex, safely installing a Tor based browser and setting up a Bitcoin wallet should keep the shitmunchers away from the forums - possible alternative would be to have everyone sit an IQ test before they can create an account - not quite sure the Simple Machine software had that in mind though :-)
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Was bound to happen as it has happened to this place already. Good news is, it aint exactly easy to get to SR, get bitcoins, use TOR properly and not get ripped off/piss off a seller! I doubt this place is going to be flooded with GIEB DRUGS PLZ anytime soon, god willing.
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If the road is suddenly hit by the masses, as long as the programmers are confident they can keep the place secure, I dont think we would be effected very much as already established customers.
I just think the vendors will just end up goimg into stealth mode and everything will go alot more underground. Vendors wont take on new customers without a reference and so on.
Unless the governments all decide this place has to go, and they declare all out war on silkroad!
But of course, only time will tell!!
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More bullshit from the sun, im not shocked, wonder where they will go next!
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The Sun are well known for printing bollocks like that.... They played a big part in pushing for the banning of Mephedrone, by printing shit loads of bullshit scare stories about how lethal the stuff was.... which 99% of any deaths had nothing to do with Meph.
I personally wouldn't even wipe my arse with a copy.
Cunts
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There's no such thing as bad publicity!
Although it's not too complex, safely installing a Tor based browser and setting up a Bitcoin wallet should keep the shitmunchers away from the forums - possible alternative would be to have everyone sit an IQ test before they can create an account - not quite sure the Simple Machine software had that in mind though :-)
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Was bound to happen as it has happened to this place already. Good news is, it aint exactly easy to get to SR, get bitcoins, use TOR properly and not get ripped off/piss off a seller! I doubt this place is going to be flooded with GIEB DRUGS PLZ anytime soon, god willing.
Very ignorant statement. SOmething that's underground that has even a large base of participants is totally transformed when it becomes publicized over the tradition channels. There are example after example of this occurring in very recent history.
Once it's publicized, even if it's not shut down, I can guarantee that it will never be the same as it was, and it will be ruined in most of our eyes. I actually see signs of it happening right now.
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so hopefully this combined with the new lighter uk drug laws
Must have missed announcement about this, could you post a source so I can see wots happening please?
Hope there finally going to start moving in the right direction!
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so hopefully this combined with the new lighter uk drug laws
Must have missed announcement about this, could you post a source so I can see wots happening please?
Hope there finally going to start moving in the right direction!
yeah i have heard nothing of this either, links plz :)
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@Prawl42
Reading it will make you laugh pal, it's a guide on how not to be a journalist....
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http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/
Basically instead of each drug case being dealt with differently like it has been in the past, there has now been strict guidelines put in place, to give some case by case consistency.
Also because if tighter budgets, there has been a much bigger focus on big players, and alot less on possession, and small time dealers.
The main improvement for me as a heavy cannabis user is the lighter laws for cannabis production.
If you are caught growing 9plants or less, you can now expect a small fine and a small community service order at most. If you claim you are growing for medical reasons you can expect an even smaller sentence.
Also, what happened to my post?!?! Did it get merged with another with the same name? It really confused me when I looked first thing this morning!
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http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/
Basically instead of each drug case being dealt with differently like it has been in the past, there has now been strict guidelines put in place, to give some case by case consistency.
Also because if tighter budgets, there has been a much bigger focus on big players, and alot less on possession, and small time dealers.
The main improvement for me as a heavy cannabis user is the lighter laws for cannabis production.
If you are caught growing 9plants or less, you can now expect a small fine and a small community service order at most. If you claim you are growing for medical reasons you can expect an even smaller sentence.
Also, what happened to my post?!?! Did it get merged with another with the same name? It really confused me when I looked first thing this morning!
Small fine for 9 plants? I'd kill to live where-ever you do. I've been locked up for less than 10 grams.
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- i'm not into weed so, what sort of return could you expect from 9 plants not even sure how long it takes to grow...
thanks
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Well the 9plant allowance for personal use, is planning for the heavy user that can smoke up to an ounce per week. Our new guidelines state that a plant is worth 40grams in the eyes of the law.
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Blinkrock, unfortunately, it's not as clear-cut as you have been led to believe. The guidelines are just that, guidelines for judges to base their decisions off. A judge can easily go outside them if he thinks it serves the "interests of justice" or some shit.
The 9 plants = 40 grams thing isn't set in stone, and they will only use it when it is to their advantage (ie if the lab/forensic guys estimate less than that). There was a case recently with that Sheffield judge, who sentenced someone to jail for 6 plants. This happened after these new guidelines had been issued. There's a follow-up story here:
https://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=291288
Stay safe.
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It mentioned bricks of cocaine although I have never seen them for sale here...
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Interesting thread. Seeing as I'm stoned, I think I will wax philosophic here for a minute; if you don't want to read ranting move on...
I do not agree that more attention for SR is inherently a bad thing, and the reasons for this are many, but it is especially based on the idea that Tor cannot be shut down. At its heart SR is a community driven service, not unlike eBay or even craigslist. So it follows that the larger the user base, the better the competition and product diversity. However, UNLIKE eBay, SR deals exclusively in the realm of felonious material. So IRL you would want just a little corner of the spotlight, enough to attract a growing customer and vendor population (the "right" people), but not so much you bring the goon squad. This is what makes Tor, and by proxy SR, so great. It it can stand up to limitless attention. The whole portrayal of the "dark-web" as a place where your child can easily order Heroin and an assassin will never stop being attractive to bottom feeding journalists and politicians. However, the real reasons why SR or any of its clones will never be gotten rid of is vastly more exciting IMO.
Some people in here have already spoken of this, but what you don't read in these stories is that a large part in why Tor works IS the governments of the world. Much of the service's intrinsic functions are hosted by computers which in one way or another are government property, like universities say. Now the powers that be could easily stop contributing to this IMO, but I think they don't for a few key reasons. They want the "dark-web" to thrive, because rather then shut it down they can utilize its anonymizing powers to carefully monitor the content. People are easily lulled into thinking Tor is some sort of flawless cloak-of-invisibility -- it is by no means impossible for the abc agencies of the world to nevertheless gleam info from the "dark-web." Clever social engineering by thousands of agents all over the world will eventually produce real results. However, I really believe that at its core SR is constructed in an incredibly secure way, and unless you're stupid, it is very nearly impossible to be caught through it.
At this point in time SR obviously represents a very small percentage of the world wide drug trade. Now that could all change, but honestly I don't think it will. Drugs have quite a long history in society, and I don't believe people will ever stop selling shit the 'ol fashion way -- on the corner. As long as that remains the predominant way which people score, that's where the majority negative attention will go. Tor or SR could be down tomorrow and cease to exist, but I really don't see that happening. We live in very interesting times I think. Computer networks will only become more complicated and the clandestine areas deeper. I think its fascinating to watch, especially how big brother has shifted his tactics to evolve along side it. Just read as much as you can, the technology is only your friend if you are smart enough to comprehend it -- getting tricked is easy enough for many people (a simple configuration error could be the difference between the feds kicking down your door or not). SR seems to have some very resourceful people at the helm, and I don't doubt they have what it takes to avoid the pitfalls this story will bring. Anyway, just my take on the whole thing, if anyone made it this far :D
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@UKGrower, I know the 40grams thing isn't set in stone, it's just the number that they use to put a figure on a plant. I was passing this number on to TravellingWithoutMoving just as a reference, because to be honest, I don't know how much to expect from a plant! I am doing my first crop at the moment, and I'd be very happy with 40g from each of my plants :D
And of course they are guidelines, there can only be guidelines, but these guidelines have literally just been written, for this exact purpose. If you read the guidelines, it also states all the mitigating factors that need to be examined as well, because obviously no two cases are the same.
The judge in that link has made an excessive sentence, especially for someone who is using for medicinal purposes. It says in the link that there are 7 other cases at the moment in a similar position, who are all appealing against their sentence.
I think that the judges are still in the old frame of mind, they haven't come round to the new rules yet, but especially because these stories have some publicity, once they have been appealed I think that the sentences will be severely reduced. Whats the point of these new guidelines, if they are simply to be ignored, the law must follow their own rules, which they simply have not done in that case.
Whatever happens, these 8 cases are very important to the future of growing cannabis in the U.K. They are the flagship cases, which will lead the way for all the cases to follow, so fingers crossed!! hopefully they will get their sentences reduced with the appeal!!
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Interesting thread. Seeing as I'm stoned, I think I will wax philosophic here for a minute; if you don't want to read ranting move on...
I do not agree that more attention for SR is inherently a bad thing, and the reasons for this are many, but it is especially based on the idea that Tor cannot be shut down. At its heart SR is a community driven service, not unlike eBay or even craigslist. So it follows that the larger the user base, the better the competition and product diversity. However, UNLIKE eBay, SR deals exclusively in the realm of felonious material. So IRL you would want just a little corner of the spotlight, enough to attract a growing customer and vendor population (the "right" people), but not so much you bring the goon squad. This is what makes Tor, and by proxy SR, so great. It it can stand up to limitless attention. The whole portrayal of the "dark-web" as a place where your child can easily order Heroin and an assassin will never stop being attractive to bottom feeding journalists and politicians....
I understood your point, to the extent that I read it, and admittedly I didn't want to read your high ramblings...yeah, that was a bit long-winded, homie.
I agree with some of what you said, and would add a big reason why SR isn't under fire from the government, media, the public, etc., all of which would contribute to screwing up SR in a big way: up to this point, SR has been comprised (mostly) of people doing what they do in the privacy of their own home. Remember, though, it hasn't been around for a year even, and that isn't that long at all. All it's going to take is a few people acting like idiots and crossing that thin line between keeping it in private and exposing the rest of the naive world to our beautiful world of debauchery and this could all change at a moment's notice.
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I just sent him the following :P
Dear Mr Flynn,
I just thought you should know. I went to Tescos yesterday, and saw deadly drugs for sale! They were selling alcohol and tobacco. The last time I walked through the city centre at 2am I was surrounded by obnoxious violent drunks littering everywhere, what a great cost to the tax payer! You should write a story about this as we need to make these deadly bad vicious drugs illegal, just look at the state of drugs everywhere harming people. If we don't make these evil evil drugs illegal it will give people the impression that the damage caused to society by alcohol and tobacco is the inevitable result of living in a country where people that do not harm others are free to do what they want with their own minds and bodies. Obviously, due to the 1% of people that are a problem, we need to make these bad bad satan drugs illegal and deny everyone else the right to experiment with their own consciousness! Instead of having a regulated market where feedback guarantees the quality and safety of a product, we should make it all illegal and force people into business with people they don't know, as this will act as a deterrent to those wishing to do what they want to themselves. If we catch anyone taking these malevolent drugs, we should put them in a room for 3 months and destroy all their future job prospects - after all if they were left to it they would simply be a free human ingesting a substance, we can't possibly allow that!
Please write another story, your journalistic integrity and investigative brilliance really shone through in that last article. You definitely have a passion for it, and it isn't just something you do to bay the bills and justify your meaningless existence.
Regards,
Dr. Tuhai Takair, PHD in Bioethics from the Univeristy of Bombay
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I dont understand why everyone knowing about this place would bring it down?
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I just sent him the following :P
Dear Mr Flynn,
I just thought you should know. I went to Tescos yesterday, and saw deadly drugs for sale! They were selling alcohol and tobacco. The last time I walked through the city centre at 2am I was surrounded by obnoxious violent drunks littering everywhere, what a great cost to the tax payer! You should write a story about this as we need to make these deadly bad vicious drugs illegal, just look at the state of drugs everywhere harming people. If we don't make these evil evil drugs illegal it will give people the impression that the damage caused to society by alcohol and tobacco is the inevitable result of living in a country where people that do not harm others are free to do what they want with their own minds and bodies. Obviously, due to the 1% of people that are a problem, we need to make these bad bad satan drugs illegal and deny everyone else the right to experiment with their own consciousness! Instead of having a regulated market where feedback guarantees the quality and safety of a product, we should make it all illegal and force people into business with people they don't know, as this will act as a deterrent to those wishing to do what they want to themselves. If we catch anyone taking these malevolent drugs, we should put them in a room for 3 months and destroy all their future job prospects - after all if they were left to it they would simply be a free human ingesting a substance, we can't possibly allow that!
Please write another story, your journalistic integrity and investigative brilliance really shone through in that last article. You definitely have a passion for it, and it isn't just something you do to bay the bills and justify your meaningless existence.
Regards,
Dr. Tuhai Takair, PHD in Bioethics from the Univeristy of Bombay
haha! nice work with that :) would love to know if/how he reply's to that!
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I read about this in The Times today so so yes you have had major publicity and I sincerely hope that it doesn't end up spoiling things before I've had chance to use the marketplace. It sounds too good to be true!
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Where have you guys been this place has had "major publicity" ever since the Gawker, Wired and CNN articles last year
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- thanks to above for the 40 gram .....info....etc
I dont understand why everyone knowing about this place would bring it down?
- "this is not america"
europe -small countries ..diff gov's ...diff laws; i drive 100 miles way and am in germany, turn right....50 miles....belgium....turnaround....100 miles....holland....ferry 25 odd miles ...united kingdom...very diverse ...people, race...attitude....wealth...super rich....gangsta town....countryside..city....bankers...
trying so desperately to look democratic...inviting everyone from every corner of the globe ...whilst never actually adapting laws to reflect the diversity.
- mix 'n mash of old antiquated laws mixed with oldfashined values and new laws.
uk = reactive culture
uk is a small place
loads of lords, sirs, prince x y z + + +queen, +++ politicians all crammed into small space....trying desperately to contain us, control....keep themselves wealthy...us
slaving away...
then there's government -reactive...conservative as such...neverending labour, conservative, conservative, labour....labour, conservative...bollocks
uk government once more = loads of lords + ministers talking talking talking ...and not much happening except for lining their own pockets, hidden agendas, submitting
expenses, getting us to pay for 2 or more mortgages whilst they claim rent on both and live in a third
- which makes europe ....many chiefs ...plenty castle-building, not enough jobs................and some indians...
- why are bbc / the sun type reports a problem ?
what makes the news isn't necessarily "serious" but rather politically correct, celebs, what gov ++ think are important -which don't always reflect the attitude
of the masses....
the mind set - picture the scene when a Silk Road or drugs related report hits our screens/ front page:
"...drugs....able to be ordered over the internet.....cocaine which funds terrorists {oh no....we're scared ...terrorists....lock your doors..} ....your 16yr old is able
to buy these......AND ACTUALLY GET HIGH....oh no....this needs to be stopped.....{getting high....i've never been high....that must be evil....lets have a cup of tea...}
we cannot have people enjoying themselves, getting high....definitely not.....they'll start commiting crimes....is my bmw in the garage.....they'll steal my new M3...
i'll write to my MP right now.....we cannot have this....natter natter....oooh.....
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
as above -reactive culture.......everything is blown out of proportion, so what usually follows are restrictive or blanket rules etc etc {you get the idea..} ....cos nothing
is planned for and we end up with blanket rules etc all in LE's favour ....imoa end up being real general legislation that are ambiguous / general laws / not specific
that they pretty much decide where to apply where the fuck they like....it descriminates , they no longer have to work at it -fucking apply themselves, go after real
crime....ends up a petty dog's dinner of a nanny state....where you might get fined for dropping a piece of paper result in a £50 fine, no train ticket = £100, but
dropping a fag -you get away with it and if you commit robbery...or stab someone ...spend real limited time "behind bars" = the punishment never fits the crime...
- some of the above may seem to be common in the rest of the world...on paper i'm guessing but experience and how its applied is quite another
is it clearer now?!
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- thanks to above for the 40 gram .....info....etc
I dont understand why everyone knowing about this place would bring it down?
- "this is not america"
europe -small countries ..diff gov's ...diff laws; i drive 100 miles way and am in germany, turn right....50 miles....belgium....turnaround....100 miles....holland....ferry 25 odd miles ...united kingdom...very diverse ...people, race...attitude....wealth...super rich....gangsta town....countryside..city....bankers...
trying so desperately to look democratic...inviting everyone from every corner of the globe ...whilst never actually adapting laws to reflect the diversity.
- mix 'n mash of old antiquated laws mixed with oldfashined values and new laws.
uk = reactive culture
uk is a small place
loads of lords, sirs, prince x y z + + +queen, +++ politicians all crammed into small space....trying desperately to contain us, control....keep themselves wealthy...us
slaving away...
then there's government -reactive...conservative as such...neverending labour, conservative, conservative, labour....labour, conservative...bollocks
uk government once more = loads of lords + ministers talking talking talking ...and not much happening except for lining their own pockets, hidden agendas, submitting
expenses, getting us to pay for 2 or more mortgages whilst they claim rent on both and live in a third
- which makes europe ....many chiefs ...plenty castle-building, not enough jobs................and some indians...
- why are bbc / the sun type reports a problem ?
what makes the news isn't necessarily "serious" but rather politically correct, celebs, what gov ++ think are important -which don't always reflect the attitude
of the masses....
the mind set - picture the scene when a Silk Road or drugs related report hits our screens/ front page:
"...drugs....able to be ordered over the internet.....cocaine which funds terrorists {oh no....we're scared ...terrorists....lock your doors..} ....your 16yr old is able
to buy these......AND ACTUALLY GET HIGH....oh no....this needs to be stopped.....{getting high....i've never been high....that must be evil....lets have a cup of tea...}
we cannot have people enjoying themselves, getting high....definitely not.....they'll start commiting crimes....is my bmw in the garage.....they'll steal my new M3...
i'll write to my MP right now.....we cannot have this....natter natter....oooh.....
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
as above -reactive culture.......everything is blown out of proportion, so what usually follows are restrictive or blanket rules etc etc {you get the idea..} ....cos nothing
is planned for and we end up with blanket rules etc all in LE's favour ....imoa end up being real general legislation that are ambiguous / general laws / not specific
that they pretty much decide where to apply where the fuck they like....it descriminates , they no longer have to work at it -fucking apply themselves, go after real
crime....ends up a petty dog's dinner of a nanny state....where you might get fined for dropping a piece of paper result in a £50 fine, no train ticket = £100, but
dropping a fag -you get away with it and if you commit robbery...or stab someone ...spend real limited time "behind bars" = the punishment never fits the crime...
- some of the above may seem to be common in the rest of the world...on paper i'm guessing but experience and how its applied is quite another
is it clearer now?!
Exactly like a monkey throwing shit and hoping that it sticks. The laws are generally random and are in place simply because they are in place and there's no real interest in challenging them, no real rhyme or reason to them, just little things of significance that are picked out according to the whim of the country at that moment or what the media is saying "Drugs are bad" etc.
And people trying so hard in their lives working shifts/trying to teach, they just want to read a story and the Sun happens to be a conventional narrative that they can buy in to. It isn't that the UK culture is anymore reactive than anywhere else I think that thas just said from people within that culture because they don't really understand other cultures and that the UK is NOT significant, not sophisticated because of princes/lords, in the scheme of things, just another country of ignorant, normal people that don't really care too much about anything important but read the Sun to have an opinion and to feel like their life is meaningful.
Nothing wrong with that really other than it stops other people living their lives and just makes shit confusing and pointless when there are so many mixed messages in the media (Drugs are bad is a common one but then the ex-head of the UK advisory drugs council says that weed/X/Lsd are safer than alcohol and tobacco?). So who knows what to think really, it makes sense that people do their stuff and read the Sun for a bit of entertainment. It's the acting like its important and the being self righteous because you've read an opinion in a newspaper or saw something on TV that pisses me off. If they want to buy into all that stuff that is their right but it gets to me when they try to force it on other people and act better than them because "drugs fry your brain" all the while they're sitting at home sipping a beer with no sense of hypocrisy.
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..ok
- life experience varies and is hence why the decision makers are on another planet, don't represent "the masses" anymore {probably 18th century}, you're
never going to convince them..is as vastly different as an aristocrat view of the world compared to that of a regular Joe bloggs it really is that much.
hence mine and a couple people here would rather do w/o with the publicity; europe is a mixed bag, holland have somewhat accepted its part of their
trade / shipping / dutch colony culture {think those are the factors..} blah blah
Nothing wrong with that really other than it stops other people living their lives and just makes shit confusing and pointless when there are so many mixed messages in the media (Drugs are bad is a common one but then the ex-head of the UK advisory drugs council says that weed/X/Lsd are safer than alcohol and tobacco?)
- he was sacked / fired {if i'm thinking of the same Prof / DR} since his views didn't complement / comply with government policy ...basically; so he went off and formed
an independent body, and a bunch of advisors left too and joined his organisation....{haaha ....classic...}
Bring on the Revolution.
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I understand that, I understand that people will not like it, but then what? I thought thats the beauty of tor, theres nothing they can do about it
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..ok
- life experience varies and is hence why the decision makers are on another planet, don't represent "the masses" anymore {probably 18th century}, you're
never going to convince them..is as vastly different as an aristocrat view of the world compared to that of a regular Joe bloggs it really is that much.
hence mine and a couple people here would rather do w/o with the publicity; europe is a mixed bag, holland have somewhat accepted its part of their
trade / shipping / dutch colony culture {think those are the factors..} blah blah
Nothing wrong with that really other than it stops other people living their lives and just makes shit confusing and pointless when there are so many mixed messages in the media (Drugs are bad is a common one but then the ex-head of the UK advisory drugs council says that weed/X/Lsd are safer than alcohol and tobacco?)
- he was sacked / fired {if i'm thinking of the same Prof / DR} since his views didn't complement / comply with government policy ...basically; so he went off and formed
an independent body, and a bunch of advisors left too and joined his organisation....{haaha ....classic...}
Bring on the Revolution.
I think they do represent the masses at least in some respect. They're not the same as any guy on the street exactly but in the sense that their opinions are just as based on misinformation and media myths that have been around for ages. There probably is an air of self importance to them due to the power that comes with the job but I don't see it as impossible that their minds could be changed. Of course there are some people that you can't argue with but I think most people would be reasonable if presented with the evidence (eventually). It's just their whole lives they've been told that drugs are bad, you get in there early with a new system of education and its perfectly reasonable that people would come round to the freedom/"if it doesn't harm anyone then why not" principle.
And even in the short term, it'd take a bit more than publicity for the commons to do anything/or even think about doing anything to SR. At the very least someone dying, and probably a kid ODing - would be enough for there to be a serial continuous story about it over the course of a few weeks and to create a media campaign, as opposed to these quick-buck back-page sensationalist stories that people read for a bit of breakfast entertainment and that no-one in government seems to really care about (yet, again it could really happen if someone OD'd), at least not enough to do anything other than make some offhand comment to a newspaper.
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- change / progress will most effective :-
coming from research that is allowed to be carried out
balanced (realistic) feedback and input from the independant drug authority(s)
we can continue to reflect its positivity by acting responsibly although we continue to take risks.
further contribution to the cause by others with greater influence at various levels -media, tv, the movie industry ++
Peace
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signing thread .. reading later
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(Drugs are bad is a common one but then the ex-head of the UK advisory drugs council says that weed/X/Lsd are safer than alcohol and tobacco?).
Yes it was Prof. David Nutt. Unfortunate name, but his views were backed up with evidence and research and still ignored and he was sacked because of it.
Professor David Nutt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8334948.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16678322
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-adviser-david-nutt-sacked
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What a terrible article. The writing sounds like it was done by a middle schooler. Fucking SR dealer pages are more eloquent than that shit. Really shows you what kind of people we're fighting against in the drug war.
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it's in the Times today as well, so be prepared for an influx of posh mother fuckers looking to score
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it's in the Times today as well, so be prepared for an influx of posh mother fuckers looking to score
LOL!!! Wish I was one of those "posh mother fuckers;" I could use the scratch. As it is, I have to scrimp and save to get enough money to make a small purchase. Living on a small fixed retirement income is a bitch--especially when you want to buy a little smoke every now and then.:)
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..Prof Nutt, yip (same dude i think)...
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I'm a bit miffed that he didn't critique my charlie and that it took 5 days to get to him . My delivery times are usually much better than that :-)
I literally laughed out loud when I read this, thanks HH.
8) you welcome .
All joking aside though I really didn't want the exposure .
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I'm not overly worried about this. I think if anything, its going to be an eye opener to people. Our community at SR is so great, every single transaction I've had has been so smooth. On the streets the drugs are really cut up and the users don't know how to dose safely. Personally I think if you're smart enough to remain anonymous on SR, you're certainly smart enough to dose correctly and safely. If anything SR is reducing the harm. So why make all this fuss?
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it was just something they could write about the day before the snooping shit was being discussed to scare people to try make the public think its needed ,
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Personally I think if you're smart enough to remain anonymous on SR, you're certainly smart enough to dose correctly and safely. If anything SR is reducing the harm. So why make all this fuss?
Here, you've got the choice to get the strength of whatever substance is available, whether you want super weak or head top smasher. This just isn't possible from street trade, no matter how many real life dealers you know. Unless you're Charlie Sheen
I suspect that the fact that both The Sun and The TImes are NI titles could be more than coincidental, despite it just being circumstantial. Imagine a livid Rupert Murdoch trying to convince David Cameron to lean on the Leveson Inquiry somehow, using the witholding of the expression "Silk Road" appearing in print as a bargaining chip (note that BBC only used euphemisms such as "Dark Web" instead of Tor or Silk Road when they reported on Silk Road)
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Haven't there been several news articles like this already? Nothing has come of it yet. I'd be curious to know what LE's reaction would be to the journalist actually placing and receiving the drugs. You'd think if it was so evil and dark that he'd be less willing to actually place the order.
But hey, at least some of SR's vendors get some money out if it? Hopefully no negative backlash on either of them.
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Governments DO need illegal drug trading to justify the existence of LE and budget spending and laws tightening, to keep the balance. All those articles are just for politicians` advertisements like "we will bring the illegal drugs trading down, and we will need another zillion dollars/pounds/euro to fight it".
BUT they will have to find a scapegoat just to show that the money spent by taxpayers are working. All of us, please be smart!
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BUT they will have to find a scapegoat just to show that the money spent by taxpayers are working. All of us, please be smart!
Hear hear.
Open notice to LE from AbraCadaver: Come to my house. Now. You won't find anything. I'll make you all a cup of tea if you don't cuff me (it will of course take a while to establish that there's nothing there). Come tomorrow. And the next day. It won't matter. You will leave with nothing. Other than more cups of tea.
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LOL Prof D.Nutt
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Not sure how many of you noticed this, but that article mentions nothing about "Silkroad". Just the DarkWeb.
The Darkweb has always been none about. A massive media article would most likely NOT mention the silkroad by name as to prevent more people from buying drugs... even though they do feature many SR pictures on there. I lol'd when I saw Djabbars bricks of hash.
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lol @ wumg00's and neuroticnarcotic's names showing in pics in article....
nice free advertising....
:D
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comment from article, not sure if guys is trolling.
if not, then it's scary to know there are people out there who have a 1950s mindset:
It should be illegal just to have the software on your PC - and maybe the Government should be allowed to have a right to remotely scan any computer at any time. I've never understood people who are against CCTV's and moan about big brother watching, don't like the idea of identity cards etc or police checks. If you're not doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide, then what's the problem?
^^^ We might as well install CCTV in your bathroom, there's nothing to hide, right?
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People that post that sort of bullshit aren't trolls as such, just deluded in the face of a wall of technology that they cannot comprehend, understand or interpret.
What does 'wrong' mean in any given moment. Its a sand dune, its shape and size are constantly changing, blown by a wind that cannot be stopped or altered.
Wrong today is less wrong tomorrow and in a few years, forgotten as even bad. History provides many examples.
I think that publicity of SR isn't a bad thing, its existence in the end shows that the law makers are actually less clever than the people who make things for real.
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Picture the average Sun reader trying to learn enough about IP addresses, SSL, Tor, TrueCrypt and PGP to get active on this site. Of the ones that do manage to scrape their way onto SR, do you think they will protect themselves as well as you do or will they buy Bitcoins with their credit card and log in to their personal GMail from the same Tor session they used SR? A lot of my peers need help to upload pictures to Facebook!
If you're protecting yourself better than average Joe would when he stumbles into this place, Joe will be the low-hanging fruit that LE manage to bust. A wall of idiot users would actually protect the sensible users to an extent.
However, I think you *should* be concerned about your MPs hearing rumours of "a secret online lair where paedofiles trade heroin for machine guns" and discussing it in parliament. I'd really like to hear suggestions on how to combat this.
For example, whenever a new SR-related article pops up, we could collectively leave comments saying SR is a prank/honeypot site set up by "Anonymous" (UK tabloids LOVE to talk about Anonymous) to collect junkies' personal information and mess with them. Or to scam Bitcoins. If you have a blog, you could write a post about how you ordered from SR so you could write an article on it but you were scammed. And all your friends were scammed. Try to get SR dismissed as a joke by the general public.
Everyone on here is supposed to be computer savvy. Why haven't we blackhat SEO'd a blog post about how SR is a scam/prank to the first SERPs for Google searches of "silk road" and "is silk road a scam"?
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For example, whenever a new SR-related article pops up, we could collectively leave comments saying SR is a prank/honeypot site set up by "Anonymous" (UK tabloids LOVE to talk about Anonymous) to collect junkies' personal information and mess with them. Or to scam Bitcoins. If you have a blog, you could write a post about how you ordered from SR so you could write an article on it but you were scammed. And all your friends were scammed. Try to get SR dismissed as a joke by the general public.
Everyone on here is supposed to be computer savvy. Why haven't we blackhat SEO'd a blog post about how SR is a scam/prank to the first SERPs for Google searches of "silk road" and "is silk road a scam"?
Don't know if I agree with it.. but +1 for an original idea and approach.
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For example, whenever a new SR-related article pops up, we could collectively leave comments saying SR is a prank/honeypot site set up by "Anonymous" (UK tabloids LOVE to talk about Anonymous) to collect junkies' personal information and mess with them. Or to scam Bitcoins. If you have a blog, you could write a post about how you ordered from SR so you could write an article on it but you were scammed. And all your friends were scammed. Try to get SR dismissed as a joke by the general public.
Everyone on here is supposed to be computer savvy. Why haven't we blackhat SEO'd a blog post about how SR is a scam/prank to the first SERPs for Google searches of "silk road" and "is silk road a scam"?
Don't know if I agree with it.. but +1 for an original idea and approach.
That is a good idea!
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However, I think you *should* be concerned about your MPs hearing rumours of "a secret online lair where paedofiles trade heroin for machine guns" and discussing it in parliament. I'd really like to hear suggestions on how to combat this.
Silk Road was brought up by a pair of US State Senators, in a Senate sitting I believe, last Summer. Last Summer. It was reported on ABC News too. The UK Parliament and media have had more than enough time to react to the existence of Silk Road, and most notably in Parliament, there has been nigh-on no mention. It's hardly a non-political development, is it? It's hardly a non-news story either, don't you tell people you know and trust? Don't they mostly react with similar exclamations of disbelief and disquiet at this development? It wouldn't be difficult to provoke an even stronger reaction out of right-wing tabloid readers, and this in turn would sell papers. For whatever reason, right wing tabloids don't want to sell the story though (The Sun being the only apparent exception, and I think we're all aware of the fact that Cameron and Murdoch may not be best of friends at the moment)
The media and the governments won't bring it up, at the very least until someone gives them a good reason to. (or makes it difficult for them NOT to)
For example, whenever a new SR-related article pops up, we could collectively leave comments saying SR is a prank/honeypot site set up by "Anonymous" (UK tabloids LOVE to talk about Anonymous) to collect junkies' personal information and mess with them. Or to scam Bitcoins. If you have a blog, you could write a post about how you ordered from SR so you could write an article on it but you were scammed. And all your friends were scammed. Try to get SR dismissed as a joke by the general public.
Everyone on here is supposed to be computer savvy. Why haven't we blackhat SEO'd a blog post about how SR is a scam/prank to the first SERPs for Google searches of "silk road" and "is silk road a scam"?
Great plan, and I'm trying hard not to sound patronizing here, but it would be much more effective if you hadn't announced it on a public forum first. The plan relies on short term deception for a short term effect, and yet, you've revealed the exact nature of the deception that precludes the whole thing, in public.
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It would spread FUD, (Fear, uncertainty and Doubt) rather than dismiss it totally as bunkum which vendors don't want.
The foolhardy and stupid will get put off (sun readers) and the brave and clever (everyone else) will realise that this is a very cool thing indeed.
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It would spread FUD, (Fear, uncertainty and Doubt) rather than dismiss it totally as bunkum which vendors don't want.
The foolhardy and stupid will get put off (sun readers) and the brave and clever (everyone else) will realise that this is a very cool thing indeed.
I'm afraid I don't agree, having thought it through. I'd prefer that everyone has access to a safer, better quality of overall experience when buying banned substances. Even those foolhardy, stupid, cowardly Sun readers.
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN
IT WOULD BE
THE SUN
FUCK YOU YOU PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A NEWSPAPER.
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I'd like to see what world governments / interpol try to do about SR :D
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It will be a sad day when SR will be no more (hopefully never!).
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- parliament / SOCA etc will have more reason and amo to deal with Silk Road if more are caught and especially buying weapons into uk, I
think if seen as not causing much harm and "users" behave themselves and act responsibly with their drug of choice its likely to be left to
operate -well from a uk perspective, as its probably not a service that could is seen to operate as if it were a central service from within uk...
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Just as well it is the piece of shit that is The Sun.
It was probably right in between the "Freddy Starr ate my hamster" and "Immigrants are eating our babies" stories.
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Just as well it is the piece of shit that is The Sun.
It was probably right in between the "Freddy Starr ate my hamster" and "Immigrants are eating our babies" stories.
OMG! I knew those damn immigrants were up to something. "The dingo..ah... immigrants stole my baby." I believe we all knew the story about Freddy Starr was fake.
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That Aunt Sonia always was the black sheep of the family. LOL.
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did the person who wrote this actually go to school? poorly written, my 9yr old could do a better job
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did the person who wrote this actually go to school? poorly written, my 9yr old could do a better job
That's my wife you're talking about...
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yeah holy shit why aren't they in jail?
Just because they work for a "news paper" doesn't mean they are above the law.
How fucking stupid must you be to write a article about how you bought heroin and cocaine off the internet, and even post pictures.
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Does anyone know how receiving/sending has been as usual with arriving safely? Seems like after that article local post offices might take extra measurements when it comes to trying to find whatever it is that you are receiving.. ?
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It initially makes me sad that this is considered an actual NEWSpaper. But upon reading this article, it's really more comical than sad.
Naturally, the article has to start with the word DEADLY. Yeah, sure, why not...
Then they call it "a sinister parallel online universe called the Dark Web". Of course, this is more dramatic than "deep web" which is what it's really called, but sure, you can make up your own terms when it's to manipulate the reader. Oh and it's not a parallel online universe, that's just a retarded thing to say, there's only one online universe, and it doesn't really qualify as a universe. And it's not really sinister, though that IS a really cool word.
"you can anonymously access a world of evil" as I am writing this, I am also slowly letting a baby i kidnapped bleed to death, so that I may sacrifice it to the true lord Satan. A common practice for us here, in the WORLD OF EVIL!
"Drugs, weapons, terrorism tips and sickening child porn are only a mouse click away."
Drugs, yes. Weapons, a few, so ok, check. Terrorism tips? Not so much. Sickening child porn? WTF?!
Also, it's not just a mouse click away, you have to click your mouse many times, it's actually kindof impractical.
"Within minutes we entered the Dark Web and ordered HEROIN and COCAINE as easily as shopping on eBay.". No Brian Flynn. That's just a lie. And if you did, wouldn't it be insanely dumb to admit it in a new paper? Unless of course a highly respected vigilant journalist, such as yourself, has immunity from the law.
It's from the first of april? Yeah BRIAN you sure cracked this case wide open with your "exclusive" news story, which was both factually correct AND very objective. good job...
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It initially makes me sad that this is considered an actual NEWSpaper. But upon reading this article, it's really more comical than sad.
Naturally, the article has to start with the word DEADLY. Yeah, sure, why not...
Then they call it "a sinister parallel online universe called the Dark Web". Of course, this is more dramatic than "deep web" which is what it's really called, but sure, you can make up your own terms when it's to manipulate the reader. Oh and it's not a parallel online universe, that's just a retarded thing to say, there's only one online universe, and it doesn't really qualify as a universe. And it's not really sinister, though that IS a really cool word.
"you can anonymously access a world of evil" as I am writing this, I am also slowly letting a baby i kidnapped bleed to death, so that I may sacrifice it to the true lord Satan. A common practice for us here, in the WORLD OF EVIL!
"Drugs, weapons, terrorism tips and sickening child porn are only a mouse click away."
Drugs, yes. Weapons, a few, so ok, check. Terrorism tips? Not so much. Sickening child porn? WTF?!
Also, it's not just a mouse click away, you have to click your mouse many times, it's actually kindof impractical.
"Within minutes we entered the Dark Web and ordered HEROIN and COCAINE as easily as shopping on eBay.". No Brian Flynn. That's just a lie. And if you did, wouldn't it be insanely dumb to admit it in a new paper? Unless of course a highly respected vigilant journalist, such as yourself, has immunity from the law.
It's from the first of april? Yeah BRIAN you sure cracked this case wide open with your "exclusive" news story, which was both factually correct AND very objective. good job...
Urgh....makes you want to stripe the cunts that write this shit.
"Welcome to Murdoch article writing 101. Step 1.....make up some facts, Step 2.....embellish those facts, Step 3.....print those facts to illiterate wankers with a pair of tits near the front so if they lose interest they will remember where their eyes should be. Class dismissed."
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Wish the sun would have gotten scammed by tony....
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LOL that would have been fucking jokes.
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yeah that would have been pretty funny. would have gotten even better press ::)
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If only!
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The Sun and most of the written press will be dead soon anyway. Thank god.
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ran out of shite tickets about an hour ago, picked up an old copy of the sun tore a page out and went to wipe my dirty hairy ass with it. Once i had finished then glanced round at the shit covered page to make sure my last wipe was dry, Only then did i notice this article about Silkroad. So i was still sat there forced to stare at this shit covered page trying to read the words through the smeared shit.
Just thought i would share the SHIT i had to read through to get here ::) ??? ::)
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did the person who wrote this actually go to school? poorly written, my 9yr old could do a better job
That's my wife you're talking about...
lmfao i only just see this comment :)
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ran out of shite tickets about an hour ago, picked up an old copy of the sun tore a page out and went to wipe my dirty hairy ass with it. Once i had finished then glanced round at the shit covered page to make sure my last wipe was dry, Only then did i notice this article about Silkroad. So i was still sat there forced to stare at this shit covered page trying to read the words through the smeared shit.
Just thought i would share the SHIT i had to read through to get here ::) ??? ::)
Truly comedic gold. Hey man, nice, good for you man, good for you. ::) ??? ::)
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This is pretty funny. (From the article).
Former Home Secretary David Blunkett said last night: "I'm amazed by what The Sun has uncovered. It is utterly sinister — an online engine of the criminal underworld."
And MP Stephen Mosley said: "I will raise this with ministers as soon as possible."
Reads like a skit from a British comedy show.
I'm shocked --shocked! that this is going on here!
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The press in this country is a joke tbh, whether scaremongering or just plastering us with false facts. I think i'll follow most Americans tactics which is ignoring the news and current events completely
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OLD THREAD! But yeah I only take certain journalists seriously now.
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Private eye, the last outpost for real journalism, completely independent of the big media corporations and government influence and mostly written anonymously.
That reminds me of something.......
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I do like the opinion pages in The Times lol.... ::)
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Private eye, the last outpost for real journalism, completely independent of the big media corporations and government influence and mostly written anonymously.
That reminds me of something.......
Al Jazeera (to a degree) and Vice as well :)