^^^ Yeah I did assume that they were where but I'd like a definite answer, also I have no idea whether deleted forum PM's were saved on the server like the market site, should have asked DPR that when I had the chance really but... Assuming all SMF forums are similar in nature can we find that out do you think? or would that be a specific server configuration set up on a case by case basis? Anyone with some knowledge on how SMF works would be much appreciated.