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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: BruceCampbell on July 30, 2013, 10:00 pm
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Hi,
You might recognize me as the former seller BruceCampbell. My account has recently been suspended for the following reasons:
1. Keeping a customer's address who sent me it unencrypted in a PM unsolicited.
Counter argument: I didn't ask for the address, and my inbox gets rather cluttered so it wasn't deleted. Some vendors actually keep customer addresses. I don't. Some fucktard sent me his address asking for free Xanax and sent me his address. Please Libertas, investigate all vendors on Silk Road, and pull up their PM's and search for addresses. I'm sure you'll find plenty.
2. Leaving fake feedback for yourself from a dummy buyer account.
Counter argument: I did no such thing. Another member ordered the listing. I will gladly send him the sample he ordered.
3. Claiming to have sent an order when you haven't.
Counter argument: It's impossible to send a fake order. Find something better to do with your new admin privileges. I can provide you an entire list of feedback phished from vendor feedback from vendors who mark orders in transit and don't ship them. Personally I thought this was a requirement for finalizing early on an order, so ban every vendor on Silk Road requiring FE.
Here is the thread where this all started as a joke:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=193157.45
And I would post my jenkem listing. But considering my account has been banned, that's not possible at the moment.
So basically I have been banned due to another member purchasing a free fake joke listing, thus "padding my feedback" and "keeping customer addresses".
I am awaiting a reply from DPR.
Feel free to voice your opinion on the matter here. I will include a poll.
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GayBruceCampbell>>>>>regular BruceCampbell
jk bro you dont deserve to get banned
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We love you Bruce! Call me sweetie!
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The laughs I had in the thread were not worth you getting banned for.
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Just swallow your pride, take Jacks offer. . If you do leave, I wish you all the best in any future endeavours you choose to partake in. It's been emotional.
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YOU HELD AN ADDRESS LE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR DOG SHIT JOKE! IT WOULD NOT OF GONE WELL NO MATTER WHAT YOU HELD AN ADDRESS AND AN INTERNET DRUG DEALING PCYCOPATH BY OWN ADMISSION SIR!
You got what you deserved maybe on Atlantis they will take security precautions for you and other ppl who need someone to PGP for them, delete files etc. ;-)
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:-\ stay strong brother, we have your back. also this is pretty fucked when you include who SR mods are defending throughout this little saga..
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YOU HELD AN ADDRESS LE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR DOG SHIT JOKE! IT WOULD NOT OF GONE WELL NO MATTER WHAT YOU HELD AN ADDRESS AND AN INTERNET DRUG DEALING PCYCOPATH BY OWN ADMISSION SIR!
You got what you deserved maybe on Atlantis they will take security precautions for you and other ppl who need someone to PGP for them, delete files etc. ;-)
He didnt keep the address the piece of shit scammer sent it to him in a pm asking for free drugs a little different i think as is the same cunt asking for coins in the spare coin the=read every hour
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:-\ stay strong brother, we have your back. also this is pretty fucked when you include who SR mods are defending throughout this little saga..
Who, exactly, have moderators been defending? Please provide examples of this so as it can be addressed.
Libertas
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Takes allot of balls to admit it when you fucked up. I don't know how much honor is here I haven't been here long.
But you Sir have honor.
Happy Trails....of dope.
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I don't know you or anything BC but your posts make me laugh and I'd be sad to see you go.
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YOU HELD AN ADDRESS LE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR DOG SHIT JOKE! IT WOULD NOT OF GONE WELL NO MATTER WHAT YOU HELD AN ADDRESS AND AN INTERNET DRUG DEALING PCYCOPATH BY OWN ADMISSION SIR!
You got what you deserved maybe on Atlantis they will take security precautions for you and other ppl who need someone to PGP for them, delete files etc. ;-)
He didnt keep the address the piece of shit scammer sent it to him in a pm asking for free drugs a little different i think as is the same cunt asking for coins in the spare coin the=read every hour
Exactly, that's the second time this insufferable oaf has chimed in, with out even bothering to read the whole thread, now f*** off. Help your fucking wife, you need help more you clown
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:-\ stay strong brother, we have your back. also this is pretty fucked when you include who SR mods are defending throughout this little saga..
Who, exactly, have moderators been defending? Please provide examples of this so as it can be addressed.
Libertas
You're certainly defending your decision and the admins decision to ban me and went trolling through my PM's and account history unnecessarily to actually try and pin something on me that isn't some poop joke on Tor for starters.
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:-\ stay strong brother, we have your back. also this is pretty fucked when you include who SR mods are defending throughout this little saga..
Who, exactly, have moderators been defending? Please provide examples of this so as it can be addressed.
Libertas
You're certainly defending your decision and the admins decision to ban me and went trolling through my PM's and account history unnecessarily to actually try and pin something on me that isn't some poop joke on Tor for starters.
Indeed I am defending my decision; however, RS7FI8ZRkm - through his use of the word "who" - stated that we were defending 'someone', not 'something'.
BruceCampbell, when a vendor breaks the rules they are generally audited to ensure that any and all infractions have been taken into account in the decision making process. I don't tell you how to do your job, so I would very much appreciate if you did not tell me how to do mine. I am now finished engaging with you on the matter in any event as it is closed on Silk Road's end.
Libertas
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I'd still like my profile and listing information. It's my intellectual property, I didn't save it and I would like it in case I reopen an account either here or on another marketplace. I'm assuming it's still in the server somewhere.
Thanks. Buddy.
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BruceCampbell,
I've never interacted with you but I've seen you around these parts and feel positively about you so it's too bad you're leaving.
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I'd still like my profile and listing information. It's my intellectual property, I didn't save it and I would like it in case I reopen an account either here or on another marketplace. I'm assuming it's still in the server somewhere.
Thanks. Buddy.
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If you made the choice not to save your profile information I'm afraid that's just too bad. I don't have access to it, so I'm unable to help you out there.
Sorry. Buddy.
Libertas
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wow bruce, does the harassment toward you ever end? this is the second instance of a good vendor getting the SHIT end of the stick because of a unhappy customer/beggar trying to retaliate somehow. What is the deal with SR support. They side with scamming vendors, but on the other hand side with scamming/begging buyers. I myself am only a buyer, but without some of the awesome vendors we do have, SR would not exist. I am slowly loosing hope in Silk Road. even in the year I've been around I've noticed some serious public relation/human resources issues that are ass backwards. BruceCampbell did not initiate the messages with this guy yet he has to pay the price? sounds dinky to me.
Move on to a marketplace that appreciates their vendors more then their power trips.
Enjoy the freedom of speech opinion.
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:-\ stay strong brother, we have your back. also this is pretty fucked when you include who SR mods are defending throughout this little saga..
Who, exactly, have moderators been defending? Please provide examples of this so as it can be addressed.
Libertas
You're certainly defending your decision and the admins decision to ban me and went trolling through my PM's and account history unnecessarily to actually try and pin something on me that isn't some poop joke on Tor for starters.
Indeed I am defending my decision; however, RS7FI8ZRkm - through his use of the word "who" - stated that we were defending 'someone', not 'something'.
BruceCampbell, when a vendor breaks the rules they are generally audited to ensure that any and all infractions have been taken into account in the decision making process. I don't tell you how to do your job, so I would very much appreciate if you did not tell me how to do mine. I am now finished engaging with you on the matter in any event as it is closed on Silk Road's end.
Libertas
correct me if I am wrong but 13lazed, the person who started this whole bit of shenanigans,
and if its really about the whole prank thing? common that's just silly
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:-\ stay strong brother, we have your back. also this is pretty fucked when you include who SR mods are defending throughout this little saga..
Who, exactly, have moderators been defending? Please provide examples of this so as it can be addressed.
Libertas
You're certainly defending your decision and the admins decision to ban me and went trolling through my PM's and account history unnecessarily to actually try and pin something on me that isn't some poop joke on Tor for starters.
Indeed I am defending my decision; however, RS7FI8ZRkm - through his use of the word "who" - stated that we were defending 'someone', not 'something'.
BruceCampbell, when a vendor breaks the rules they are generally audited to ensure that any and all infractions have been taken into account in the decision making process. I don't tell you how to do your job, so I would very much appreciate if you did not tell me how to do mine. I am now finished engaging with you on the matter in any event as it is closed on Silk Road's end.
Libertas
correct me if I am wrong but 13lazed, the person who started this whole bit of shenanigans,
and if its really about the whole prank thing? common that's just silly
Can you please point out where we were defending that member? BruceCampbell was demoted for breaking the rules - how, exactly, is that defending any particular person?
Libertas
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because none of this would have started nor would you have investigated brucecampbell if 13lazed never started on BC, and bruce, being his normal self had a smartass joke in return that admins took way to far.
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HollandOnline is a scammer that Silk Road admins have let scam numerous people including myself.
There's one for ya.
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because none of this would have started nor would you have investigated brucecampbell if 13lazed never started on BC, and bruce, being his normal self had a smartass joke in return that admins took way to far.
Every single member is responsible for their own actions. If a vendor breaks the rules, they are fully responsible for that. BruceCampbell broke the rules resulting in him experiencing the consequences of his actions. It's all about choice, Juggernog. He had the choice to play by the rules and chose not to do so because he thought it would be humorous. That was an immature, ill-thought out decision on his part but it was his decision nonetheless.
Libertas
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:-\ stay strong brother, we have your back. also this is pretty fucked when you include who SR mods are defending throughout this little saga..
Who, exactly, have moderators been defending? Please provide examples of this so as it can be addressed.
Libertas
You're certainly defending your decision and the admins decision to ban me and went trolling through my PM's and account history unnecessarily to actually try and pin something on me that isn't some poop joke on Tor for starters.
Indeed I am defending my decision; however, RS7FI8ZRkm - through his use of the word "who" - stated that we were defending 'someone', not 'something'.
BruceCampbell, when a vendor breaks the rules they are generally audited to ensure that any and all infractions have been taken into account in the decision making process. I don't tell you how to do your job, so I would very much appreciate if you did not tell me how to do mine. I am now finished engaging with you on the matter in any event as it is closed on Silk Road's end.
Libertas
correct me if I am wrong but 13lazed, the person who started this whole bit of shenanigans,
and if its really about the whole prank thing? common that's just silly
Can you please point out where we were defending that member? BruceCampbell was demoted for breaking the rules - how, exactly, is that defending any particular person?
Libertas
breaking what rules? no one was harmed. you're telling me I could start messaging vendors my location, an if they don't delete my info they'll get banned? logic? :-\?
and as far as jack goes? seriously, how dose anyone know anything?
if it was:
1) a joke, delete the feedback delete the listing.. at least give him a warning prior. ( no info was released an again no one was harmed, Jack knew it and if anything was just a lack of thinking it through, and shouldn't be punished so harshly IMO;
2) was a serious sample listing between jack an bruce ::), I mean it was in the pre-term conditions to FE, and I assume Jack pasted the wrong thing when trying to paste his pgp address..
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:-\ stay strong brother, we have your back. also this is pretty fucked when you include who SR mods are defending throughout this little saga..
Who, exactly, have moderators been defending? Please provide examples of this so as it can be addressed.
Libertas
You're certainly defending your decision and the admins decision to ban me and went trolling through my PM's and account history unnecessarily to actually try and pin something on me that isn't some poop joke on Tor for starters.
Indeed I am defending my decision; however, RS7FI8ZRkm - through his use of the word "who" - stated that we were defending 'someone', not 'something'.
BruceCampbell, when a vendor breaks the rules they are generally audited to ensure that any and all infractions have been taken into account in the decision making process. I don't tell you how to do your job, so I would very much appreciate if you did not tell me how to do mine. I am now finished engaging with you on the matter in any event as it is closed on Silk Road's end.
Libertas
correct me if I am wrong but 13lazed, the person who started this whole bit of shenanigans,
and if its really about the whole prank thing? common that's just silly
Can you please point out where we were defending that member? BruceCampbell was demoted for breaking the rules - how, exactly, is that defending any particular person?
Libertas
also, as you'd put it, its not my job.
finding this information is the task whom ever was assigned that position, I'm simply stating things how I see them :)
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Indeed I am defending my decision; however, RS7FI8ZRkm - through his use of the word "who" - stated that we were defending 'someone', not 'something'.
BruceCampbell, when a vendor breaks the rules they are generally audited to ensure that any and all infractions have been taken into account in the decision making process. I don't tell you how to do your job, so I would very much appreciate if you did not tell me how to do mine. I am now finished engaging with you on the matter in any event as it is closed on Silk Road's end.
Libertas
correct me if I am wrong but 13lazed, the person who started this whole bit of shenanigans,
and if its really about the whole prank thing? common that's just silly
Can you please point out where we were defending that member? BruceCampbell was demoted for breaking the rules - how, exactly, is that defending any particular person?
Libertas
breaking what rules? no one was harmed. your telling me I could start messaging vendors my my location, an if they don't delete my info they'll get banned? logic? :-\?
and as far as jack goes? seriously, how dose anyone know anything?
if it was:
1) a joke, delete the feedback delete the listing.. at least give him a warning prior. ( no info was released an again no one was harmed, Jack knew it and if anything was just a lack of thinking it through, and shouldn't be punished so harshly IMO;
2) was a serious sample listing between jack an bruce ::), I mean it was in the pre-term conditions to FE, and I assume Jack pasted the wrong thing when trying to paste his pgp address..
You can read my posts in the other thread to find out the facts of the situation - the following post shows that it was not, in fact, a serious sample listing:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=193157.msg1395194#msg1395194
Regarding whether it was a joke or not, you don't seem to be understanding that he was NOT demoted for posting a joke listing. He was demoted for following through and actually accepting an order for that joke listing, marking it 'in transit' and padding his feedback with it, along with keeping an address that was sent to him despite not intending to engage in a transaction with that person through the Silk Road order system. Even if the listing was deleted the feedback would still contribute to his overall feedback score. He actually broke 3 separate rules, any one of which it is expressly stated in the Seller's Guide will put a vendor's account at risk of demotion. You can find the Seller's Guide on the SR Wiki if you're interested in reading more about that.
slso, as you'd put it, its not my job.
finding this information is the task whom ever was assigned that position, I'm simply stating things how I see them :)
Actually, if you're making statements that we are defending a particular person it is indeed up to you to back those statements up. It's nobody's task but your own. If you can't point out where we were defending a particular person that's absolutely fine, I just wanted to clear up the fact that we were not defending a particular person, and that the vendor's demotion had nothing to do with anybody but the vendor. He made his choices, and those choices fell foul of the rules.
I will not be discussing this matter any further with any member, so you can consider this my final response.
Libertas
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Lol. You've said that like four times now Libertas. Rules are rules but I still think you could certainly have found better shit to do to occupy your time. Like seriously. I think the poll numbers and users thinking this is some straight up fuckery prove that for the most part.
Fuck yes Silk Road community for having my back. I love you drug-addled motherfuckers.
I'm just opening a new account Libertas.
I'm still going to be the same crazy bastard and sell the exact same products.
So... yeah. Awesome job. Go bust a scammer or snoop someone else's inbox. I just will try to play nicer next time and not give anyone reason to try to tarnish my rep or ban me for no fucking reason other to set some sort of precedent.
Bahahahaha.
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Indeed I am defending my decision; however, RS7FI8ZRkm - through his use of the word "who" - stated that we were defending 'someone', not 'something'.
BruceCampbell, when a vendor breaks the rules they are generally audited to ensure that any and all infractions have been taken into account in the decision making process. I don't tell you how to do your job, so I would very much appreciate if you did not tell me how to do mine. I am now finished engaging with you on the matter in any event as it is closed on Silk Road's end.
Libertas
correct me if I am wrong but 13lazed, the person who started this whole bit of shenanigans,
and if its really about the whole prank thing? common that's just silly
Can you please point out where we were defending that member? BruceCampbell was demoted for breaking the rules - how, exactly, is that defending any particular person?
Libertas
breaking what rules? no one was harmed. your telling me I could start messaging vendors my my location, an if they don't delete my info they'll get banned? logic? :-\?
and as far as jack goes? seriously, how dose anyone know anything?
if it was:
1) a joke, delete the feedback delete the listing.. at least give him a warning prior. ( no info was released an again no one was harmed, Jack knew it and if anything was just a lack of thinking it through, and shouldn't be punished so harshly IMO;
2) was a serious sample listing between jack an bruce ::), I mean it was in the pre-term conditions to FE, and I assume Jack pasted the wrong thing when trying to paste his pgp address..
You can read my posts in the other thread to find out the facts of the situation - the following post shows that it was not, in fact, a serious sample listing:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=193157.msg1395194#msg1395194
Regarding whether it was a joke or not, you don't seem to be understanding that he was NOT demoted for posting a joke listing. He was demoted for following through and actually accepting an order for that joke listing, marking it 'in transit' and padding his feedback with it, along with keeping an address that was sent to him despite not intending to engage in a transaction with that person through the Silk Road order system. Even if the listing was deleted the feedback would still contribute to his overall feedback score. He actually broke 3 separate rules, any one of which it is expressly stated in the Seller's Guide will put a vendor's account at risk of demotion. You can find the Seller's Guide on the SR Wiki if you're interested in reading more about that.
slso, as you'd put it, its not my job.
finding this information is the task whom ever was assigned that position, I'm simply stating things how I see them :)
Actually, if you're making statements that we are defending a particular person it is indeed up to you to back those statements up. It's nobody's task but your own. If you can't point out where we were defending a particular person that's absolutely fine, I just wanted to clear up the fact that we were not defending a particular person, and that the vendor's demotion had nothing to do with anybody but the vendor. He made his choices, and those choices fell foul of the rules.
I will not be discussing this matter any further with any member, so you can consider this my final response.
Libertas
- I've read your posts there is no need to repeat yourself :), I've followed this from the beginning if it were majority rules, bruce would have been let off with a warning.
- way to skip the whole part about sending vendors my info..
- honestly this is a ironic decision from a person quoting martin luther king ::) but I'm not here to argue, this whole thing just seems really blown out of proportion for what bruce did.
- you say padding? as plural? he actually didn't do anything. marking it in transit was a mistake but so what? couldn't it have simply be reversed.. or there a zero tolerance policy I haven't heard of yet, because I've seen vendors with custom listings "rating for XXX".. yet nothing.
- back to him "saving an address" the member SENT IT TO HIM VIA PM.? ^ answer previous question at the same time your telling me I could start messaging vendors my my location, an if they don't delete my info they'll get banned?
Actually, if you're making statements that we are defending a particular person it is indeed up to you to back those statements up. It's nobody's task but your own.
- I'm questioning the decisions made by the admins more the defending something most see as silly.
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Lol. You've said that like four times now Libertas. Rules are rules but I still think you could certainly have found better shit to do to occupy your time. Like seriously. I think the poll numbers and users thinking this is some straight up fuckery prove that for the most part.
Fuck yes Silk Road community for having my back. I love you drug-addled motherfuckers.
I'm just opening a new account Libertas.
I'm still going to be the same crazy bastard and sell the exact same products.
So... yeah. Awesome job. Go bust a scammer or snoop someone else's inbox. I just will try to play nicer next time and not give anyone reason to try to tarnish my rep or ban me for no fucking reason other to set some sort of precedent.
Bahahahaha.
No problem at all - play by the rules and you won't have any further issues. Please note, however, that you may not start a new account under the same name as your old one.
As stated previously 'busting scammers' is not currently my responsibility, though I do chip in where obvious scamming is taking place, and nobody has been 'snooping' your inbox. You broke the rules so you were subject to investigation. It's as simple as that. Again, you were not banned "for no fucking reason", you were banned for breaking the rules. I would strongly suggest that you familiarise yourself with all of the rules set out in the Seller's Guide before attempting to start selling again on Silk Road. If you break the rules in any way whatsoever on your new account you will be shut down permanently. Best of luck with your new venture in any event.
Libertas
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Like I said, they ban the good and overlook the bad. wtf ever. I'm not even involved in this situation and I'm still getting more and more pissed every time libertas posts a repeat of what he said before. just like the fivestar situation. she told the dude she would sell to him off site cause he would not leave her alone about it, yet SHE gets banned. I know there are guidelines, but damn, at least give them a chance to remedy their misconduct.
Libertas may feces from an aids infested monkey end up in your mailbox..
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Juggs
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I love the utter hypocrisy of this place. Truly. I could be a full fledged scammer and just give you guys another $500 to hold on to, and just go right back on scamming. No wonder Nomad Bloodbath is a resentful no-show and quote, sort of paraphrasing since I can't access the vendor forum anymore. "Tired of Silk Road's pseudo-agenda".
I'll behave myself. I certainly don't want the best wishes from the person who banned me though, so you can go ahead and keep your token apology and fake sincerity.
Please follow your own post logic and stay out of my threads. I thought you were no longer engaging me and I'd prefer that to be the case all things considered. If you have time to engage me and type out posts to support your decision, you probably have time to do your admin duties. I'm pretty sure you passed up like a half dozen scammers and a few kiddie diddlers just to type out a dozen or so comments defending your decision already.
Thank you.
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I love the utter hypocrisy of this place. Truly. I could be a full fledged scammer and just give you guys another $500 to hold on to, and just go right back on scamming. No wonder Nomad Bloodbath is a resentful no-show and quote, sort of paraphrasing since I can't access the vendor forum anymore. "Tired of Silk Road's pseudo-agenda".
I'll behave myself. I certainly don't want the best wishes from the person who banned me though, so you can go ahead and keep your token apology and fake sincerity.
Please follow your own post logic and stay out of my threads. I thought you were no longer engaging me and I'd prefer that to be the case all things considered. If you have time to engage me and type out posts to support your decision, you probably have time to do your admin duties. I'm pretty sure you passed up like a half dozen scammers and a few kiddie diddlers just to type out a dozen or so comments defending your decision already.
Thank you.
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If you were a scammer you would absolutely not be permitted to open up a second account. It's no skin off my back if you're dissatisfied with my actions here though; if you break the rules, expect consequences is all I'm saying. I'll leave you to it in any event.
Libertas
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If you were a scammer you would absolutely not be permitted to open up a second account.
How so?
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If you were a scammer you would absolutely not be permitted to open up a second account.
How so?
I'd like an answer to that too. I thought we were all pseudonyms here. What I just said literally must happen on a weekly basis. My brain hurts trying to understand Silk Road logic.
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Bruce, might want to change your signature.. (Closed for business because SR bans good vendors and lets the scammers roam.)
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Juggernog I swear to god let me get my affairs in order and I'm sending you free drugs. Thanks for the advice!
:)
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no free drugs for me :-[
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Juggernog I swear to god let me get my affairs in order and I'm sending you free drugs. Thanks for the advice!
:)
I'm quoting you on this, since it's the coolest post I've seen yet! lol
nice sig!
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I understand rules are important. They are there for a reason. But your inability to look into the situation and come to a reasonable solution is just as bad, if not worse then someone breaking the rules. Its kind of like the guy that stepped outside to pee in his front yard and a kid and his parent drive by and see him. The parent complains to the cops and the guy is labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. We all know he isn't a pervert, just a dumbass. Same with BC. We all know he isn't a scammer, just a dumbass. But the punishment should fit the crime. A bitcoin fine? maybe. Knock 5 points off vendor rating? Yea. Banning him as a vendor? No way.
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hahahaha nice nacho.
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Well Bruce, I never liked you after you ran out on our child, but even little 2 and a half year old Jimmy knows that this is a bunch of bullshit. I understand if it takes longer than usual to get the alimoney together this month.
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Well Bruce, I never liked you after you ran out on our child, but even little 2 and a half year old Jimmy knows that this is a bunch of bullshit. I understand if it takes longer than usual to get the alimoney together this month.
You tell Jimmy his father loves him very much and he's sorry for not making it to the ball game, but I was balls deep in a woman I picked up on the internet. She came over and did a rail of fetus pills with me and played with my butthole a little and I lost track of time. I need to get my affairs in order. I'm ashamed of myself.
Strange none of my customers have even commented in this thread and I've got 30 votes in my favor and countless users saying this is a bunch of bullshit.
If Silk Road was a democracy Libertas would be doing pushups right now. Lol.
Fail.
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guess so ::)
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You tell Jimmy his father loves him very much and he's sorry for not making it to the ball game, but I was balls deep in a woman I picked up on the internet. She came over and did a rail of fetus pills with me and played with my butthole a little and I lost track of time. I need to get my affairs in order. I'm ashamed of myself.
Strange none of my customers have even commented in this thread and I've got 30 votes in my favor and countless users saying this is a bunch of bullshit.
If Silk Road was a democracy Libertas would be doing pushups right now. Lol.
Fail.
None of your customers? damn backstabbers! hah they will come around when they are not fucked up from your xanax feces lmao
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guess so ::)
Considering I'll need new customers and transactions I will try and give out samples.
Seriously, fuck the system. I give out free shit all the time, have held 7 free lotteries, give out extras in orders, have had customers receive orders in less than 48 hours PRIORITY on several occasions, I use awesome packaging, and I'm a fucking boss.
My new username is "GroovyBruce". I expect to open up shop in a few days. I expected to you know, fucking vend today but we all know how that turned out.
We need new mods. I miss Scout.
Come back Scout...
I'll make an announcement in my old review thread.
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Bruce was banned because Libertas has a poop-fetish and seeing Bruce making poop jokes all over his forum infuriated him to claim justice for his beloved feces by banning Bruce, in a way saying, "how about you gnaw on my shit?"
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:-\ stay strong brother, we have your back. also this is pretty fucked when you include who SR mods are defending throughout this little saga..
Who, exactly, have moderators been defending? Please provide examples of this so as it can be addressed.
Libertas
You're certainly defending your decision and the admins decision to ban me and went trolling through my PM's and account history unnecessarily to actually try and pin something on me that isn't some poop joke on Tor for starters.
I don't tell you how to do your job, so I would very much appreciate if you did not tell me how to do mine.
Libertas
No, you don't tell him how to do his job - instead you swing the ban hammer and suspend his vendor privileges for good rather than simply give him a warning for something that warranted a wrist slapping at best and save yourself, DPR and Brucecampbell hours of hassle/ work.
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If Silk Road was a democracy Libertas would be doing pushups right now. Lol.
Fail.
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Hahaahahahahahahah x 1 million. Brilliant.
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Keeping the thread open because it's giving me a decent ego boost but DPR has spoken guys and he's like fucking Judge Dredd so the matter is closed. My new account name is GroovyBruce. I expect he might show up in a few days and will be a bit nicer and certainly not give nit-picking motherfuckers reason to swing the ban hammer. Expect a new and improved BruceCampbell. Loving the Libertas trolling though. Nothing like a good ego-check and 35+ members voting in my favor and a fucking uproar from the community is pretty damn good publicity!
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Libertas slowly decaying himself into a heartless machine, rationalizing with any and all evidence lined up on his path.
Honestly, you guys almost let a vendor stay after he had given out peoples contact information claiming to only give him a warning and trying to make a solution that would serve the community best... (something along those lines) ...
oh wait but they got banned anyway
So it will probably be brought up that you guys took the appropriate action.
Well if you stated previously that you would let a member who made a SEVERE infraction slide (regardless of what ended up happening) that shows your intent
Here you have conduct that is NO WHERE NEAR as severe, but it sticks into your foot VERY VERY deep like a thorn and even when you remove it ... you still walk funny.
Rationalize however you want and bring up your intentions and perceived notions of what you are doing...
We the community will see things how we want.
For the record -10 to you Libertas you brow beaten son of a bitch
Go fuck yourself
I hope you sleep good at night
Please read this and respond about how none of this matters...
or better yet don't respond...
SR is slowly becoming a machine of its own
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Damn, I thought I was a dick. You guys are evil bastards when you want to be. EMBRACE THE BUTTHURT LIBERTAS!
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Sorry but how do you think its funny to make a 'poo' listing, are you a six year old child or something that laughs at fart jokes... fuck dude grow up Silk Road isn't a place for children
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This whole thing was ridiculous, and it only speaks to the fact that this place is a victim of its own success, and in turn that the responsibility of governing that success has caused a bit of a power-trip.
The problem with a place that at the highest level answers to no law or legislation, is that it becomes a dictatorship.
What else can you call it when the majority of the people favour one resolution, yet the powers that be actively push another? And despite all this yada yada about the 'rules', it didn't have to be that final, because the poorly considered and shoddily written 'rules' could have been very differently interpreted, and it seems they have been by most of the regular onlookers.
Not to say that Libertas didn't have some relevant points. Just seems like in a defensive bid, those points have been milked to such a degree that Bruce has lost a lot more than he deserved to.
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To be completely honest man, you are providing a service and you need to be more professional.
Even if the customer is misinformed, impatient or even rude, you need to keep you're head on.
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Sorry but how do you think its funny to make a 'poo' listing, are you a six year old child or something that laughs at fart jokes... fuck dude grow up Silk Road isn't a place for children
Hey bro,
Jenkem is drugs. Those fucking Zambian street children know how to party. It may be fermented human waste but it will fuck your shit up. Lol. If you don't think jenkem is right for you, that's groovy. I don't judge. Just offering a niche product for sale!
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Sorry but how do you think its funny to make a 'poo' listing, are you a six year old child or something that laughs at fart jokes... fuck dude grow up Silk Road isn't a place for children
It was kinda funny though
Silk road definitely isn't a place for children, but it has been a place for harmless banter from time to time, ain't nothing wrong with that.
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Sorry but how do you think its funny to make a 'poo' listing, are you a six year old child or something that laughs at fart jokes... fuck dude grow up Silk Road isn't a place for children
It was kinda funny though
Silk road definitely isn't a place for children, but it has been a place for harmless banter from time to time, ain't nothing wrong with that.
+1 and SR can suck my sweaty balls a warning and a warning only would have been the way to roll.
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To be completely honest man, you are providing a service and you need to be more professional.
Even if the customer is misinformed, impatient or even rude, you need to keep you're head on.
I didn't know there was a guidebook on how to sell drugs on the internet. Honestly what do you expect from a guy pretending to be a viking version of bruce campbell who sells drugs on the internet? I'm a weirdo on the forum but I'm on my shit when it comes to sending out packs and actual customer service.
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Hey Bruce I never actually bought from you but I won one of your first lotteries if you recall and you gave me literally the most generous gift basket of sleep drugs that i've ever seen and sat and went through a few messages wit me. I slept great for almost two weeks off what you sent and got into my PDOC and got some help for my insomnia based on your advice. All I got to say after reading your thread is that you got fucked royally for what seemed like a joke and fuck you libertsa you fucking asshole. I'm sorry to see you get suspended over something so mundane. If you open a new vendor account ill be sure and send you a message or place an order with you at some point if i can fucking figure out coinbase!!!I think libertas is a fucking asshole and shouldn't be a mod. So basically you need to be a anal douchenozzle to become an admin around here? Fuck you libertas. Bruce is literally the best vendor I ever dealt with and he knows his stuff. Please stick around and come back stronger and dont let assclowns on a power trip who think they're special or DPR get you down bro.
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Thanks for the support Gary. Glad I could help. Makes me feel all helpful and shit.
:)
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To be completely honest man, you are providing a service and you need to be more professional.
Even if the customer is misinformed, impatient or even rude, you need to keep you're head on.
I didn't know there was a guidebook on how to sell drugs on the internet. Honestly what do you expect from a guy pretending to be a viking version of bruce campbell who sells drugs on the internet? I'm a weirdo on the forum but I'm on my shit when it comes to sending out packs and actual customer service.
No man there's not, but I think people will agree with me when I say its every buyers right to be able to use SR without the chance of getting dogshit sent to them. - despite how much of a cunt they are.
I still don't think you should be banned and the comments from Liberatas are just adding insult to injury.
All the best though, hope you are up and running again soon.
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y'all need to practice some non violent communication asap
fucking animals lol
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Sorry but how do you think its funny to make a 'poo' listing, are you a six year old child or something that laughs at fart jokes... fuck dude grow up Silk Road isn't a place for children
It was kinda funny though
Silk road definitely isn't a place for children, but it has been a place for harmless banter from time to time, ain't nothing wrong with that.
+1 and SR can suck my sweaty balls a warning and a warning only would have been the way to roll.
This.
Although I did vote the bureaucratic bullshit option.... ;)
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Regarding whether it was a joke or not, you don't seem to be understanding that he was NOT demoted for posting a joke listing. He was demoted for following through and actually accepting an order for that joke listing, marking it 'in transit' and padding his feedback with it, along with keeping an address that was sent to him despite not intending to engage in a transaction with that person through the Silk Road order system. Even if the listing was deleted the feedback would still contribute to his overall feedback score. He actually broke 3 separate rules, any one of which it is expressly stated in the Seller's Guide will put a vendor's account at risk of demotion. You can find the Seller's Guide on the SR Wiki if you're interested in reading more about that.
Libertas, do you really want to be in the same position as LE that go on about how "they follow the rules" just to never take responsibility for their actions and using their own brains? Because this is exactly how it looks like atm. You are in the same exact position of agents of the SS that continued insisting to defend themselves: "oh, but we just followed orders".
Yes, Bruce broke the "rules", but one must also understand the motivation behind the breaking of the rules and how the breaking of them is approached, elsewhere you can just go without human interaction at all and turn to scripts or daemons to ban accounts. The fact that there is an HUMAN to decide for a ban or a breaking of rules it is just because an human can discern things that go beyond the mere "breaking" and that are more important than the simple infraction in itself. You are not a machine, Libertas, you have a brain that can make connections between things and can look at the issues with shades of grey and not only black or white.
In this case:
1) the keeping of the address was NOT in a transaction, it was sent by a PM unencrypted. What there is to "keep" if the guy is the first one to give it away so easily and not care about others having it permanently or remaining in the system until deleted by the same user? If Bruce simply didn't read the full PM because he stopped at the first "send me some free Xanax" would he still be at fault of "keeping the address" just because he didn't notice the user idiotically sent an address and so it remained in the PM?
2) the transaction itself was a joke, ffs! Who cares if he marketed it in transit or not, it was a joke, does it really changes anything at all for other users or SR in itself in doing a thing like that? Try to have a little of elasticity in your thought process. Sometimes I wonder, seriously. There was SuperTrip that sold Fentanyl as Heroin and there was written proof by HIM that he did so and you didn't do nothing about it, now Bruce creates a joke transaction and some other things to make a prank - things that harm nobody and do wrong to nobody else in the market - and he gets banned immediately. If you don't find something odd in the reasoning there's something odd in yourself.
3) The feedback, was, again, meant for a joke. Probably to have fun of the thing later by making a story out of it. Do you REALLY think a +1 would change something at all in the picture? It surely aren't these things that can be considered as fake feedback to artificially increase vendors status, aren't they? I think there are much more serious things to beware of in this marketplace than a simple joke made to have some fun, ffs! What harm could have come from that? Nothing, it was just that since it "broke the rules" in writing then it must not be allowed, no matter the reality of the thing.
I must say it, Libertas, you begin to sound more and more like Robocob to me, do you remember the modus operandi, do you? Do you like to be in those shoes? Rules and laws MUST be interpreted or your risk of turning a good thing (as having rules to prevent harm to a community) into a bad one (making harm to the community - as in this case banning a vendor with no real motive apart blindly following a dictate - with the mask of making it for the good of everyone).
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Another good point well made.
Do you think it'll make a difference though? No.
This has been blown so out of proportion now, and Libertas has stuck to his/her guns so tightly without reasonable consideration, that admitting he/she is wrong would probably undermine all of his/her authority as a mod. Not to mention, It would also be horribly embarrassing. Natural human response = total denial.
Whatever happens, I won't forget this.
And it certainly hasn't made me, as a buyer, more confident of having my anonymity protected. If anything its done the opposite.
If all this disciplinarian vigour over the past 12/15 hours had be channeled into something more productive, like investigating real scammers or detecting genuine address keepers... we'd be in a much better place.
Instead, THIS is what all the effort is channeled into? Doesn't exactly instill confidence does it.
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+1 for you Bruce. I hope today is better for you.
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Another good point well made.
Do you think it'll make a difference though? No.
This has been blown so out of proportion now, and Libertas has stuck to his/her guns so tightly without reasonable consideration, that admitting he/she is wrong would probably undermine all of his/her authority as a mod. Not to mention, It would also be horribly embarrassing. Natural human response = total denial.
And it certainly hasn't made me, as a buyer, more confident of having my anonymity protected. If anything its done the opposite.
If all this disciplinarian vigour over the past 12/15 hours had be channeled into something more productive, like investigating real scammers or detecting genuine address keepers... we'd be in a much better place.
Instead, THIS is what all the effort is channeled into? Doesn't exactly instill confidence does it.
All of this is exactly what I was thinking as well. No way any of the Mods/admins/DPR reverse this now because it would actually look like they care about what the PEOPLE want and not just how much power and authority they want us to THINK they have. It's all about keeping up appearances now unfortunately.
And yeah, how much of one of our whopping THREE admins time was spent investigating and defending this bullshit while there is other way more shady shit going on elsewhere? It just isn't practical.
The sad thing is that if someone stepped in and said "No this isn't how we're going to deal with this" it would actually fix a lot of the doubt and resentment that is building and building against the Admin team here.
If SR's plan is to drive people away to other marketplaces then by all means continue this trend of "rules are rules and we don't give a shit what any of you think". I think in the long-term you'll be very successful as more and more reliable vendors move away taking their dedicated customers with them.
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And yeah, how much of one of our whopping THREE admins time was spent investigating and defending this bullshit while there is other way more shady shit going on elsewhere? It just isn't practical.
However I can understand them doing it. When a companion is in trouble you don't leave him alone, you stand to his side till the end. DPR is doing good on keeping the back of his mods, not matter what. This is a matter of honor, dignity and comradeship. The only one that can admit to have made an error at this point is Libertas, but given his/her ego he would never do a thing as that. The others CANNOT go against him, it would be unrespectful towards a friend and a companion.
Still I think that everybody knows perfectly that DPR would not have done the same thing, no matter if s/he cannot certainly say so and have to stay on the side of Libertas on the thing, no matter what. I just hope that in private he did a chat with him/her, because IMO Libertas is growing an "uniform" syndrome in this last period. S/He is a good guy but power is not for everyone and can turn even the most wonderful man into a prick in less than a minute if you cannot check yourself and what you do objectively.
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Just to clarify things:
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, and if a situation calls for me to do that, I will do it without hesitation. I also take full responsibility for my actions here. I demoted the vendor, yes, and I had good reason to do so. If BruceCampbell hadn't broken the rules, he wouldn't have found himself suspended - it is that simple. The rules apply to ALL vendors in ALL situations. A breach of the rules will result in consequences which may include demotion. As BruceCampbell broke three separate rules, demotion was the only option. It is part of my job to ensure that I look into any breaches of those rules and take action where necessary. BruceCampbell kept a member's address for 3 days, he padded his feedback using a fake listing and he threatened a member. That is simply unacceptable.
I understand that there seems to be a lot of animosity towards me here for doing my job - that's fine, but I hope you can all see the merit in demoting a vendor that is breaking the rules. I'll leave this as my final input on the entire debacle, but please know that I have the best interests of this community at heart. That is why the rules are in place, and why I must ensure that if they are broken, there are consequences to the vendor's actions.
Yes, I could have been a little less defensive, and will certainly work on that for the future. However, where I see a clear breach of the rules, I will not hesitate to take action. Every vendor has a choice to make in whether they follow the rules or not. If they choose not to follow the rules, they will face the consequences of their actions. Personal responsibility is key to operating in any market, but even more-so in a market like this.
Though you are all fully entitled to sling insults at me (and wishing I get monkey AIDs, which is really something!!), I do hope you can eventually see where I was coming from. The 'joke listing' was not the problem at all; padding feedback with it, keeping an address and threatening a Silk Road customer were the issues, and if those breaches had come from a vendor that didn't have such a well regarded forum presence I have no doubt that the vast majority of you would be calling for that vendor's head. Yes, the 'joke listing' got a little out of hand and resulted in the vendor breaking the rules and losing his account as a result of those infractions; however, it is always up to the vendor to ensure that the rules do not get broken, and he/she is always personally responsible for that.
I'll put this issue to bed before I get virtual 'flaming bags of dogshit' on my virtual doorstep, but I do hope you can all eventually see the merit in demoting vendors that break the rules, regardless of their community standing. Ensuring that vendors abide by the rules they agreed to abide by makes Silk Road a safer place for all of us.
Libertas
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Um, wow. I take a break for a week and look at the shit I miss. It never ends, does it.
I'm sorry Bruce; you deserved better. I don't care to comment on anything other than the fact that I liked you and trusted you far more than most. I wish you only the best.
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Fair play to Libertas for admitting he/she was a little over defensive. At this point in the game that's a gotta be pretty big thing.
I think the general feeling is that all your points were valid on some level Libertas, but that the action taken was a little abrupt and too objective.
I think its fair to say that BruceCampbell, as far as vendors go, isnt a real threat to anyone, and will inevitably have learnt a lesson from this whole debacle. If the rules are really there with the interests of the entire community at heart, then I'd say lesson learnt, example made, and it clearly won't happen again - so why not reinstate the guys account. No harm done and everyone wins...
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I think its fair to say that BruceCampbell, as far as vendors go, isnt a real threat to anyone, and will inevitably have learnt a lesson from this whole debacle. If the rules are really there with the interests of the entire community at heart, then I'd say lesson learnt, example made, and it clearly won't happen again - so why not reinstate the guys account. No harm done and everyone wins...
Because Lib's fucking ego is too big to admit he didn't act right.
And now he can't take that back.
Well he can but he has that ego problem, remember? ::)
It's worse than an officer arresting a pothead for smoking weed, and saying rules are rules.
Go find something better to do with your life lib
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I think its fair to say that BruceCampbell, as far as vendors go, isnt a real threat to anyone, and will inevitably have learnt a lesson from this whole debacle. If the rules are really there with the interests of the entire community at heart, then I'd say lesson learnt, example made, and it clearly won't happen again - so why not reinstate the guys account. No harm done and everyone wins...
Because Lib's fucking ego is too big to admit he didn't act right.
And now he can't take that back.
Well he can but he has that ego problem, remember? ::)
It's worse than an officer arresting a pothead for smoking weed, and saying rules are rules.
Go find something better to do with your life lib
Having an 'ego' on an anonymous forum on the deepweb would be a little bit ridiculous. I acted completely in the right, and DPR fully supports that decision. If I acted in the wrong you can bet that he would have pulled me up on it and he most certainly would have righted it.
If you think it's okay to store an address for 3 days and for a vendor to threaten a member (which BruceCampbell fully admitted to doing here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=193157.msg1396569#msg1396569) you're entitled to think that, but the rules state that it is not permitted. I don't make the rules, but I am bound by them.
You're all defending a vendor that threatened a Silk Road buyer - I just want to make sure you're aware of that.
This is my FINAL post in this thread, and I won't be posting about the matter again.
Libertas
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The only lesson I learned here is that Silk Road cares more about collecting another vendor bond than they do about preserving their own integrity. Shameful display of power, truly.
If you think it's okay to store an address for 3 days
I don't think you understand this still. The address was sent unsolicited, through the private messaging system. It was not done through a typical listing that a vendor would put up. If I go around messaging my address to a bunch of vendors right now and they don't delete my messages, will they be banned?
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He did break those three rules, in all fairness, but the first one he broke, was through a joke, and by continuing that joke ( which he could of been warned about there and then) has by proxy, led to the other two being broken. It's not as though he broke three separate rules, on three separate occasions. Which would warrant, and could justify such a stringent punishment. We could fully accept, and understand your position if this was the case. The joke went out of control, which in turn led to the other breaches. I know that was your final say Libertas, so this is a lesson in futility, but the circumstances in which the rules where broken, is what has resonated so much in peoples hearts, and minds. And has led to your new list of denigrators, but Mods can't please everyone.
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Personally I still think this is a pile of complete and utter moot bullshit but Libertas has been entrusted with keeping the security of customers, and if DPR entrusted him with that position maybe you need to be a fucking pedant to do it. Considering this all started out as a FUCKING JOKE and I now have lost 9 months worth of feedback and all the work I did on my profile and have to start over with a black cloud over my head is fucking unacceptable. I think this in the end has boiled down to the fact that reversing a decision will make staff and admins look weak, and this is some sort of precedent. If I can get banned for this, and motherfuckers are actually getting poison sent to them, there is actual proof of vendors keeping addresses, marking orders in transit that haven't been sent "FE" and plain on scamming motherfuckers, then someone has their priorities all fucked up. Like I said, Libertas passed up a half dozen scammers and child fuckers going after me and probably could have used his time better. DPR said himself the decision won't be overturned, and I consider that a sign of pride more than anything. If the community was a democracy I'd still have my vendor account. Silk Road however is not a democracy, it's a Libertarian autocratic society run by a cult of personality figure. DPR welcomed me to start over, so I guess that's what I'll do. Honestly I don't think I could have gotten better publicity, so I'll bounce back. I love this place and sure as fuck won't go to Atlantis or another market, even if they treated me better. (pretty sure they need vendors lol)
Thanks everyone.
Drop and give me 20 pushups Libertas.
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You got it bro. At least you know you had the attention of just about EVERYONE on SRF for a good day, maybe two.
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I feel for Bruce, but this isn't a democracy at all... it's a business.
If you received a random lump of shit off Amazon, you think they're going to keep that vendor?
It's one thing to joke, but to actually mail shit to someone isn't funny, and if I were DPR I would have banned Bruce just for doing that, straight up.
If he mailed out the package he should have deleted the address upon mailing, regardless of whether it was in a PM or not. You are responsible for keeping your inbox clear, it doesn't matter if a customer is spamming his/her address to vendors, you don't have to worry about them, they aren't your kids - keep YOUR box clear.
Sure, the guy receiving the piece of shit, is a piece of shit, but that is besides the point. As vendors we have a responsibility to our customers and to the road itself. When you sign up you agree to abide by the rules, and there must be rules for this thing to work well. Not only that, but part of the reason this is set up the way it is, is there is always potential for hacks, infiltration, or some physical seizure of servers - and if we don't abide by the rules, we wind up fucking people without even realizing it.
We also can't run this thing like a democracy in any way, as security and safety are the cornerstones of the road, we cannot be weakened by allowing any jackhole a vote in how things are done... or we'd be looking like Atlantis.
I voted that there should have been a warning, but that warning should have come way before things got out of hand.
Libertas has a job to do, and he cannot waver. DPR can bend the rules all he wants, as he built this rig, but his crew has to do as they're told, or they will walk the plank.
Best lesson, if someone is asking you for free shit, just ignore them.
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I feel for Bruce, but this isn't a democracy at all... it's a business.
It's not just a business, its a business with little to no successful competition in the marketplace. It might as well be a monopoly.... and in fact, the handling of this becomes quite a bit less shocking with that considered.
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I think damn near a hundred people voting with about a 9/10 in my favor ratio show this is a bit fucked up, but DPR let me log into my account and pull my info and vendor page and whatnot.
I mean shit. This actually doesn't make much sense considering I'm just going to open a damn account with almost the exact username and exact listings, and profile page and will still be allowed to continue business if I pay a vendor bond...
So what actually became of this really? Just a bunch of drama and a monumental waste of time.
I just won't threaten to mail fucktards feces grenades laced with alprazolam through the mail again.
I'll keep arguing the opinion that if I sent him jenkem I wouldn't break a rule. I made a legit (entire wiki page) jenkem listing. I was just out of Xanax is all... jenkem is drugs, he wanted free drugs.
The fake transaction gave them a reason to ban me.
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Eh, maybe a waste of time, but an eye opener at least. The integrity of the rules and mods has come under question here and it won't be forgotten, i'm sure. Its a shame you had to be scapegoat but one would hope lessons have been learned on both sides here.
Anyway, we all tried Brucey boy... best of luck with the new account. Not really a benzo kinda girl but next time I order some Diazepam i'll come your way if poss. Looks like others will do the same, so hopefully you'll be up and running in no time ;)
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If you received a random lump of shit off Amazon, you think they're going to keep that vendor?
Amazon is a different market. Nobody would dare to write to an Amazon vendor asking for a freebie in that pretentious way and moreover if the vendor really had the time to do a joke to the buyer do you really think someone at the Amazon staff would care either minimally? I mean, change the "shit" to a fake phone when asked for a FREE one, do you really think that that would make the vendor banned? Because a random buyer asked you for a freebye not deserved and you send him something as a joke as to say "c'mon, are you serious?", that would make Amazon ban the vendor, right? Oh well, if you think so...
Here we are talking of shit because this market is particular and of another level of "directness".
It's one thing to joke, but to actually mail shit to someone isn't funny, and if I were DPR I would have banned Bruce just for doing that, straight up.
OMG, from whence people here have become fucking puritans ffs? Neither asking a vendor you don't either know and never talked to for free product and then either playing arrogant when told "no" is funny, isn't it?
It was a joke of a kind for the way that individual user acted both with Bruce and BOTH here (asking always for free money, never paying back and the sort). IRL doing something like that would probably have you killed, and you complain about a little of shit in the mail?
If he mailed out the package he should have deleted the address upon mailing, regardless of whether it was in a PM or not.
And in fact Bruce didn't still mail the package, so he had all the rights to keep the address till then. We are playing your game here and still there's nothing wrong in there.
You are responsible for keeping your inbox clear, it doesn't matter if a customer is spamming his/her address to vendors, you don't have to worry about them, they aren't your kids - keep YOUR box clear.
So, let me guess: if you want to keep your inbox cluttered because you want to have ALL messages recorded or whatever other PERSONAL motive (the way you act with your things is none other personal business but YOURS) then you are breaking the rules if someone send you VOLUNTARILY an address unsolicited and unencrypted, right? Makes perfect sense...
As vendors we have a responsibility to our customers and to the road itself. When you sign up you agree to abide by the rules, and there must be rules for this thing to work well. Not only that, but part of the reason this is set up the way it is, is there is always potential for hacks, infiltration, or some physical seizure of servers - and if we don't abide by the rules, we wind up fucking people without even realizing it.
A shame that A) the joke didn't increase at all the probability of hacks, infiltration and the sort (again, if an user WILLINGLY send you his/her address unsolicited in a PM then it's not your fault if he gets caught, it is theirs) B) yes, you agree to abide by some rules, but like everything else things are relative on the motivation, scope and modus operandi behind them. If you have rules that you follow blindly without elasticity and interpretation you don't do the good of a community, because you break the inherent scope of the same. Every intelligent people knows that rules are made to be broken when necessity declares it, elsewhere you are only a brainless machine that follows everything said to you no matter the motivations behind.
We also can't run this thing like a democracy in any way, as security and safety are the cornerstones of the road, we cannot be weakened by allowing any jackhole a vote in how things are done... or we'd be looking like Atlantis.
There's no jackhole here. As for Democrary or not Democracry, this has nothing to do with the fact that rules must be interpreted and that rules must be the same for everybody.
1) When Libertas says that THREE rules were broken he is playing semantically, because the "three" were in reality just one since they were consecutive and one the result of the other. Usually always a warning is given by the site when you commit an infraction, but here it has not on the pretense that the rules were broken three times. A shame that Bruce had not the chance to stop and recover just because a chance was not given on the pretense of this, and this is unacceptable. The thing should have been approached like one rule only was broken (since they were one the result of the other, and not single events in different time frames).
2) The same Libertas gave an advice to a vendor that PUBLISHED ADDRESSES HERE, and now he insist he banned Bruce because he THREATENED someone to do the same. Don't you see a little of odd behavior in this. The first case was not a threat, was an ACTION, so immediate and happened and there was only a warning, the second was a threat (and also in a moment of rage, so not a real threat anyway), so no action, and nothing really done and in this case a ban. Sorry, but it's obvious that there's something more here than just "broken rules".
Libertas has a job to do, and he cannot waver. DPR can bend the rules all he wants, as he built this rig, but his crew has to do as they're told, or they will walk the plank.
Certainly Libertas has to do a job, but since he has a mind he must use it. That's the difference from a good "officer" and a bad one, the capability to interpret things OBJECTIVELY, without personal feelings entering in the thing. BTW it is not the first time something like this happened. If it was the first time I may have been more near to the point of Libertas (see? as humans we have the capability to INTERPRET things, and not just look at them at face value) but given his late modus operandi I know that there's much more to the thing that he wants to make it pass.
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Having an 'ego' on an anonymous forum on the deepweb would be a little bit ridiculous.
No, at all. It's called "alter-ego" for a motive, do you know?
Actually you can have much more an ego (in the sense of self-pride or narcissism) with an alternative identity just because you can fake to be something you will never be able to be otherwise in reality for external motives.
Definition of ego:
"The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves."
It doesn't matter if the self is really yours or created ad hoc, it still have full value as a distinct "individual".
You're all defending a vendor that threatened a Silk Road buyer - I just want to make sure you're aware of that.
And you defended a vendor that was GIVING AWAY buyers' addresses. Guess what's worse of the two?
You are using two weights and two measures for personal motives and THIS is the thing that is bad here, even if you cannot comprehend it.
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Well BlackIris gets some of my late night karma...
Good god damn mother fucking point across the board.
Check this point I made earlier too. After the uproar he tried to find another reason to ban me and made this post, which considering I reaccessed the situation still followed SR rules.
Libertas banned me for the jenkem farce, then he went in to all of my account history again to try and find something substantial I did wrong and he accused me off padding two transactions to further discredit me because I actually got the support of basically the entire community and he got trolled for about 12 hours. There was a sent payment between my personal buyer account and a guy on Zoklet who had some forgery I wanted and created an account on here for the trade and I used the escrow system to verify I'll send him something and have that kind of pull and knew a SR vendor... he placed an order with Bruce and received his goods. Check out this slanderous shit.
Quote from: Libertas on July 30, 2013, 06:42 pm
Just to let all of you who are supporting this vendor know, we have also turned up more evidence of feedback padding in the past. If vendors play by the rules they will not have any issues. If they break the rules, they face the consequences of their actions.
BruceCampbell, you seem to have been a decent vendor for the most part as well as a good contributor to the community here on the forums and on the back of that I wish you the best for the future. However, the rules are the rules.
Libertas
Yeah fucking right. I don't need to pad my profile page with fake FE feedback. I have neither the time, nor inclination for that shit.
Bruce got fucked but whatever. The bond is refundable and I have a hell of a lot of pathos going for me.
:)
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I'm with you. Though whether you should have or shouldn't have, doesn't really matter much. What's done is done.
They seem to stand pretty firm once a decision has been made. You've one in the court of public opinion, but since when did that ever matter?
Regroup, restock, make a comeback with a vengeance!! Make your operation better than ever!
Take a negative and turn it into a positive.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and "Get 'Er Dun"!
Enough positive affirmations for you? :P
Laytah ;)
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I've been enjoying my much needed time off but have most of my listings completed and in stealth mode at the moment and I'm waiting on a couple of new items to arrive and am taking care of a few loose ends before I come back online. I have a part-time employee I bring on sometimes as a shipper and assistant so all things considered I might just hand the reigns over to him and make him a sub-account and actually go on a vacation. I think I might go find a rave or festival somewhere and try to weasel my way in good with some DJ's or producers again. Or just get folded and go to Disneyland on a head full of acid and ride Splash Mountain.
I severely needed a vacation anyway. The simple joy of just being able to sleep in and eat a bunch of Valium and catch up on reading and going out is a nice change from spending my Friday nights filling orders and pounding out PM's and checking market prices and sources and pulling an all-nighter for Saturday pickup.
Considering I can't ask for FE from new customers anymore with a new account I actually do need to rethink my business strategy and public relations before I come online.
Thanks for the support everyone.
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GroovyBruce is open for business.
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GroovyBruce is open for business.
Congrats. now to quote you on a past remark:
Juggernog I swear to god let me get my affairs in order and I'm sending you free drugs. Thanks for the advice!
:)
LOL I told you I would hold you to it! hehe
Juggernog I swear to god let me get my affairs in order and I'm sending you free drugs. Thanks for the advice!
:)
I'm quoting you on this, since it's the coolest post I've seen yet! lol
nice sig!
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GroovyBruce is open for business.
Congrats. now to quote you on a past remark:
Juggernog I swear to god let me get my affairs in order and I'm sending you free drugs. Thanks for the advice!
:)
LOL I told you I would hold you to it! hehe
Juggernog I swear to god let me get my affairs in order and I'm sending you free drugs. Thanks for the advice!
:)
I'm quoting you on this, since it's the coolest post I've seen yet! lol
nice sig!
I'm a man of my word. I'll send you a PM.
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GroovyBruce is open for business.
Congrats. now to quote you on a past remark:
Juggernog I swear to god let me get my affairs in order and I'm sending you free drugs. Thanks for the advice!
:)
LOL I told you I would hold you to it! hehe
Juggernog I swear to god let me get my affairs in order and I'm sending you free drugs. Thanks for the advice!
:)
I'm quoting you on this, since it's the coolest post I've seen yet! lol
nice sig!
I'm a man of my word. I'll send you a PM.
WooHoo. I'm getting excited already..
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Due to the support given to me by the community I have offered a humble free drug lottery.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=200478.0
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Awesome bro!
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I think that shit grenade idea was fucking hilarious. you shouldve been praised for that
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Your account is suspended. Set on hold. They need time to sort things out.
No human without error.
I hope things work out for the best for you.
This doesn't seem fair, but SR has to put you on hold, to prevent further damage you could or might inflict.
It's not a permaban, you've got.
The mods have to come with proof, and can take 500 dollar because they assume some things.
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Your account is suspended. Set on hold. They need time to sort things out.
No human without error.
I hope things work out for the best for you.
This doesn't seem fair, but SR has to put you on hold, to prevent further damage you could or might inflict.
It's not a permaban, you've got.
The mods have to come with proof, and can take 500 dollar because they assume some things.
Err... my account has been permanently demoted. Hence why I have a new seller account.
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sorry to be a stalker again BC, Had to chime in..
Apparently people don't take kindly to receiving a pinata feces grenade filled with drugs!
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sorry to be a stalker again BC, Had to chime in..
Apparently people don't take kindly to receiving a pinata feces grenade filled with drugs!
Apparently not. But I stand by my actions. If my new account fails to take off then I at least stood for my principles. There's a 9/1 spread on votes from users who disagree with the decision, and I'm keeping the thread and poll open indefinitely. My ban will not be reversed. I am sure of it. The Dread Pirate Roberts has spoken and I sort of stretched the seller rules a bit in order to justify mailing a biohazard to someone in the mail. Unless somebody wants to start a petition...
Hell, how many votes in my favor do I need before I can get my old account back? 200?
FREE BRUCECAMPBELL!
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wow!!
just read this from pg.1..
i guess i made my popcorn too late!!
damn though.. you SOOO should've sent him that shit grenade!!
now the SOB is beggin for MORE samples from your NEW vendor account!?!
does it ever stop?!?
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I do think BC's vendor status should have been revoked, but what I DON'T understand is why his was revoked and others who openly and maliciously break rules get off with a warning[a]. Is there some other factor playing into this decision that was different or non-existent in (e.g.) Joy's case?
[a] dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=172970.0
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The only lesson I learned here is that Silk Road cares more about collecting another vendor bond than they do about preserving their own integrity. Shameful display of power, truly.
If you think it's okay to store an address for 3 days
I don't think you understand this still. The address was sent unsolicited, through the private messaging system. It was not done through a typical listing that a vendor would put up. If I go around messaging my address to a bunch of vendors right now and they don't delete my messages, will they be banned?
I may be out of line for my reasoning here, but while I concur with the "vendors may not store addresses no matter what" rule, I gotta call bullshit on how this was done! If some idiot decides to send their address to a vendor & it ends up in they're messages for a few days & the vendor loses his account over it, that would be total bullshit! That is a bit outside of the vendor making any conscience effort to save someones personal info.
All that being said, I would hope cooler heads would prevail, & if that were the only issue here we wouldn't be having this conversation.
NCK
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You guys are mean. I had only 10 yes votes and now I have 17 and 10 mean ones.
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I may be out of line for my reasoning here, but while I concur with the "vendors may not store addresses no matter what" rule, I gotta call bullshit on how this was done! If some idiot decides to send their address to a vendor & it ends up in they're messages for a few days & the vendor loses his account over it, that would be total bullshit! That is a bit outside of the vendor making any conscience effort to save someones personal info.
One time a customer wrote out a full name and city (not in the same PM, but nevertheless) and I implored him to delete the messages ASAP as I myself proceeded to do so. Told him it was for the sake of his safety, and personal (or anything close, really) information should not be shared like that. Blah.
You guys are mean. I had only 10 yes votes and now I have 17 and 10 mean ones.
:(
There, there. You're a cool bro, sir. Chin up. :)
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BruceCampbell:
You don't like me, and I, in turn, don't like you; but if your side of the story is accurate, then no, you did not deserve to be banned.
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BruceCampbell:
You don't like me, and I, in turn, don't like you; but if your side of the story is accurate, then no, you did not deserve to be banned.
Hey at least a fellow troll agrees with my logic. I never said I didn't like you. I just think you're fucking deranged. I just enjoy discourse. And you might be right about not masturbating lol.
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Actually I probably said I don't like you.
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FROM WHAT YOU HAVE STATED, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE BAN.....BUT YOU COULD BE HIDING SOMETHING.
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FROM WHAT YOU HAVE STATED, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE BAN.....BUT YOU COULD BE HIDING SOMETHING.
I'm not actually Bruce Campbell. I know. Shocker right?
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Campbell Soup Company, also known as Campbell's, is an American producer of canned soups and related products. Campbell's products are sold in 120 countries around the world. It is headquartered[2] in Camden, New Jersey. Campbell's divides itself into three divisions: the simple meals division, which consists largely of soups both condensed and ready-to-serve, the baked snacks division, which consists of Pepperidge Farm, and the health beverage division, which includes V8 juices. Campbell's runs a program for schools, Labels for Education.
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Campbell Soup Company, also known as Campbell's, is an American producer of canned soups and related products. Campbell's products are sold in 120 countries around the world. It is headquartered[2] in Camden, New Jersey. Campbell's divides itself into three divisions: the simple meals division, which consists largely of soups both condensed and ready-to-serve, the baked snacks division, which consists of Pepperidge Farm, and the health beverage division, which includes V8 juices. Campbell's runs a program for schools, Labels for Education.
Holy shit how did you know I smuggle drugs in soup cans? Bruce Campbell should make his own soup. It would taste like liquor and chicken wings.
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FROM WHAT YOU HAVE STATED, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE BAN.....BUT YOU COULD BE HIDING SOMETHING.
I'm not actually Bruce Campbell. I know. Shocker right?
No. The Shocker is where you stick your pinky out when dipping your index and middle fingers deep into a vagina, so that your pinky finger goes up the girls butt hole. This will "shock" her, thus the name.
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FROM WHAT YOU HAVE STATED, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE BAN.....BUT YOU COULD BE HIDING SOMETHING.
I'm not actually Bruce Campbell. I know. Shocker right?
No. The Shocker is where you stick your pinky out when dipping your index and middle fingers deep into a vagina, so that your pinky finger goes up the girls butt hole. This will "shock" her, thus the name.
Will my pinky smell like poo once done?
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FROM WHAT YOU HAVE STATED, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE BAN.....BUT YOU COULD BE HIDING SOMETHING.
I'm not actually Bruce Campbell. I know. Shocker right?
No. The Shocker is where you stick your pinky out when dipping your index and middle fingers deep into a vagina, so that your pinky finger goes up the girls butt hole. This will "shock" her, thus the name.
Will my pinky smell like poo once done?
Sometimes. But with no risk there is no reward.
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FROM WHAT YOU HAVE STATED, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE BAN.....BUT YOU COULD BE HIDING SOMETHING.
I'm not actually Bruce Campbell. I know. Shocker right?
No. The Shocker is where you stick your pinky out when dipping your index and middle fingers deep into a vagina, so that your pinky finger goes up the girls butt hole. This will "shock" her, thus the name.
Will my pinky smell like poo once done?
Sometimes. But with no risk there is no reward.
Spoken like a true American Hero.
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By your own admission Bruce, you put up a fake ad for Jenkem. That was rather lax of you to do with your ex-account. That shit shouldn't be taken lightly.
Now I know -Mr Hollywood, Bruce Campbell looks down on all of us common folks. He is all mighty and tall in his Hollywood mansion. He says that we don't use soap or that we smell because we don't use toilet paper. He even thinks his fancy highfalutin drugs are too good for us and offers to sell us his backwater hillbilly drugs that he thinks he knows about -jenkem. But jenkem is real. You can talk to your dead ancestors with Jenkem.
Doubt me?
Go ahead and watch this: http://www.vivecoolcity.com/episode/300
What makes it accessible is that cool white kids are doing it. Not only that -they have Australian accents that make them better than us. The moral of the story is: Don't mess with Mr Jinx. That shit will backlash.
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A lot of people here are unfairly giving Libertas a lot of quite nasty verbal; but sr never pretended to be a democracy its a business and it has to have rules, the more so since its a darkweb enterprise and Dpr has more to lose than just money if it all goes wrong, similarly Libertas. BC looks like a loose cannon to me and if this was my business I would be keeping an eye on him cos he might be a security risk in some way and could endanger us all. Possibly. Also if this were my business I would probably just kick anyone who was abusive anyway. After all noone is being forced to come to this place and if you dont like it then just go elsewhere.