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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: GoodShitExplorer on June 11, 2013, 01:49 am
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Junk
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Feels good man.
We never 'knew'- what caveman in his right mind would pull out at the best part?
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I think you've explained it quite beautifully there GSE. +1 to you
In a utopic world that's what sex would be about. Loving someone so much that you'd want to be one with someone. A child is a byproduct of that love (as with most everything in life which has a byproduct). Unfortunately, in todays world a lot of people see it as a mere urge that just needs to be fulfilled
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You insert the penis into the vagina.
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I havn't gone too deep into it, for me its just an instinct that is there and it feels fucking good to fulfill that instinct by banging loads of hot girls :)
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We learn to have sex through the same process as we come to learn anything -curiosity. We are like inductive scientists when we are young, experiencing things for the first time and discerning the wrong (harm, pain and danger) with the good through experimentation (masturbation and eventually sex, but then again even sex for the first time isn't perfect so we keep trying).
I do not believe that love is a necessary condition of sex. In fact naturally the caveman relationship was not monogamous. Communities shared in the act of mating, like a giant orgy. Tribes were smaller then and people shared everything including sex partners.
Today, it has been ingrained in us that it is immoral to have multiple sex partners. I think this is for our protection from spreading sexually transmitted diseases.
So to answer the original OP's question, what is sex? A physicalist or neuroscientist might say that it is rooted in a chemical reaction in the brain which drives our impulses, and that attraction is something physical. Romantics might think sex is related to Cupid love. Biologists might say that it is an action for the purpose of pro-creating. Philosophically though, I think sex is what makes us human and we resort to our animinalistic tendencies with complete disregard for the rational, it's an embracing of total ecstasy that you share with your partner, usually (but not necessarily) bringing you to a higher realm in the relationship.
I think I'm going to have some right now :)
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You insert the penis into the vagina.
Hm...Glad you posted this, I've been doing this "sex" thing totally different. Will update once tried.
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I think humans and all other living things crave attention and sex is the utmost way to get attention from someone!
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Basically, we are here to pass on our genes. Sex would happen even if we weren't taught it. Animals aren't taught about reproduction, yet they do it.
Ohh wait... no I'm wrong, we are here to pay our taxes and then die. Silly me. :o
~PsychedelicSphere
Edited for grammar
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I think humans and all other living things crave attention and sex is the utmost way to get attention from someone!
I would construe what you are saying somewhere along the lines of;
1. Humans are social beings.
2. Social beings crave physical contact and attention.
3. Sex is the greatest way to gain physical contact and attention.
4. Sex is performed primarily to harness this attention.
This isn't valid for me because although the premisses are true I don't think they follow from each other (except premise 4 which I think is false too). There is more going on during sex than the pleasure of gaining attention. For some people it just simply feels good, for some it's sado masochistic and they get fantasize about doing freaky stuff to people, some people do it to pro create. I think there are multiple factors to explain why we want sex, attention and physical contact only being one of them (albeit important).
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I wasn't the first archetypal type so i really dont know how they knew, they just knew. I think you are beginning to hit another topic with the force of life, when is a baby a baby? you've asked too big a question though. philosophically what is sex can have us talking about this all day.
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We have two minds, if you are willing to entertain my thoughts for a moment.
We have two minds. One is the echo that results from our brain's billion+ network of neurons. This mind-brain is what delivers us from primitive society (tribes and gangs, like herds and packs). From the collective human mind-brain, there is ancient history, modern technology, economics, theoretical mathematics. The self exists because of the mind, and as a result, survival is as complex as our imagination.
The second mind is our reflex-mind. It is governed by our physical body and narco-mind: Sex and drugs. It does not always equate to these to things, but they do a great job of summing up our motivations. Sex, whether it is flirting, touching, or fantasy, is its own drug, generates intense rewards for procreation. (Ironically, Nature's proclivity for survival is as insistent as its desire for xenocide.) In the body and brain wonderful neurotransmitters exist--to the best of our knowledge--for the sole purpose of reproduction: reward centers for procreation. The reflex-mind is simple and its purpose has nothing and everything do with modern civilization. The orgasm is prolific in nature, affecting nearly every living creature on Earth, and it exists independently of human civilization. Contrarily, the human orgasm is as much apart of modern civilization as it is independent of human existence; sex compels us to succeed, subvert, obstruct, and fail, while religious and moral authorities work tirelessly to find new ways to abhor and subjugate sex in their own quest for power.
Narcotics both augment and substitute sexual activities. Viagra and MDMA are examples of augmentation. Heroin is probably the best example for substitution. These are components of our relfex-mind. The physical body is a temple, according to Christian texts--and every other religion, in many respects. Thus, from our physical body comes all our knowledge and experience. It is our anchor to the sea floor which is reality. The wind and rain is the tempest that comprises the meta-brain--the mind.
In other words, our mind is bifurcated between the non-physical mental world (dependent) and the physical world (independent). From this bifurcation comes another separation: mind-brain, an entity that is potentially logical and pragmatic, and the reflex-brain, an entity that is impulsive. In my own mind, I have put this in very simple terms: mind and cock. I imagine a brain, spinal cord, and genitals--nothing else. That is what we are. Programmed instincts, passed on through genetics, along with some experiences and knowledge, but ultimately we are bound to our reproduction organs. That is what sex is. Anything else is a creation of our mind-brain, which can never be completely independent of the cock.
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I think humans and all other living things crave attention and sex is the utmost way to get attention from someone!
I would construe what you are saying somewhere along the lines of;
1. Humans are social beings.
2. Social beings crave physical contact and attention.
3. Sex is the greatest way to gain physical contact and attention.
4. Sex is performed primarily to harness this attention.
This isn't valid for me because although the premisses are true I don't think they follow from each other (except premise 4 which I think is false too). There is more going on during sex than the pleasure of gaining attention. For some people it just simply feels good, for some it's sado masochistic and they get fantasize about doing freaky stuff to people, some people do it to pro create. I think there are multiple factors to explain why we want sex, attention and physical contact only being one of them (albeit important).
I know a lot of people here are probably sick of me talking about God, but I cannot help it.
I want to add a number 5 to that list.
Have you ever heard of the theory that when we as humans cum, our minds are completely clear of thought, and that clearness is God. So I would add being closer to God on that list.
Of course their are numerous reasons for sex, I was just giving out a few.
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Bullshit
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There is only one reason to have sex and that is to create your own archetype. In the process male gets an orgasm and female orgasm is optional and not mandatory for procreation. All other reasons are just what you/we make up to ascribe meaning to this act.
No, that is the ultimate reason, not the only reason...
Sex for revenge.
Sex for pleasure.
Sex for hatred.
Sex for money.
Sex for trade.
Sex for biological warfare (sci-fi themes)
Sex for addiction.
Sex for murder.
Sex for friendship.
Sex for self-esteem.
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I think humans and all other living things crave attention and sex is the utmost way to get attention from someone!
I would construe what you are saying somewhere along the lines of;
1. Humans are social beings.
2. Social beings crave physical contact and attention.
3. Sex is the greatest way to gain physical contact and attention.
4. Sex is performed primarily to harness this attention.
This isn't valid for me because although the premisses are true I don't think they follow from each other (except premise 4 which I think is false too). There is more going on during sex than the pleasure of gaining attention. For some people it just simply feels good, for some it's sado masochistic and they get fantasize about doing freaky stuff to people, some people do it to pro create. I think there are multiple factors to explain why we want sex, attention and physical contact only being one of them (albeit important).
I know a lot of people here are probably sick of me talking about God, but I cannot help it.
I want to add a number 5 to that list.
Have you ever heard of the theory that when we as humans cum, our minds are completely clear of thought, and that clearness is God. So I would add being closer to God on that list.
Of course their are numerous reasons for sex, I was just giving out a few.
There is only one reason to have sex and that is to create your own archetype. In the process male gets an orgasm and female orgasm is optional and not mandatory for procreation. All other reasons are just what you/we make up to ascribe meaning to this act.
That is simply not true. I have sex all the time and I don't have/ even considered procreating. Therefore this is false, there is more than the intention of procreating for a reason to have sex.
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Bullshit
Care to elaborate?
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Interesting thread, however isnt sex great because it requires no analysis? And like someone else said it clears your mind. I feel that to talk about it philosophically is kind of silly for this reason imo.
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You insert the penis into the vagina.
and to think i've been doing it wrong all these years...
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I think you've explained it quite beautifully there GSE. +1 to you
In a utopic world that's what sex would be about. Loving someone so much that you'd want to be one with someone. A child is a byproduct of that love (as with most everything in life which has a byproduct). Unfortunately, in todays world a lot of people see it as a mere urge that just needs to be fulfilled
SEX is SEX. It is what it is. Sex will produce babies without LOVE. SEX an LOVE are two different things. TWO can exist separately. But when combined together; I guess, it's more FUN :)
What is love...
Sex comes naturally, there is never at first a thought that pops up that you should insert A into B, you just do it, nature man. Works in mysterious ways.
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Bullshit
Care to elaborate?
PerpetualMotion already elaborated on the many reasons people have sex.
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There is only one reason to have sex and that is to create your own archetype. In the process male gets an orgasm and female orgasm is optional and not mandatory for procreation. All other reasons are just what you/we make up to ascribe meaning to this act.
No, that is the ultimate reason, not the only reason...
Sex for revenge.
Sex for pleasure.
Sex for hatred.
Sex for money.
Sex for trade.
Sex for biological warfare (sci-fi themes)
Sex for addiction.
Sex for murder.
Sex for friendship.
Sex for self-esteem.
Well, let me re-phrase - That's the only cosmic reason to have SEX.
Humans have learned that SEX can be used as a tool and thus this tool can be used for everything you mentioned and for many other purposes!!!
Look at religion how it is using SEX to have power and control over mass.
SEX will be used for many other purpose in the future that we are unable think today!!!
It's a great tool and every new generation will find new usages.
But what is the use of SEX to nature?
To create archetype!!!
GSE
Yes I agree that the use of sex to nature is for procreating. However, us humans often control and manipulate nature to suit what we want. e.g. we use condoms to prevent spread of sexually transmitted diseases, as well as to prevent procreating... So it's two different things what's defined to benefit nature and defined to benefit humans.
I'm fully in agreement with you just pointing out the distinction.
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There is only one reason to have sex and that is to create your own archetype. In the process male gets an orgasm and female orgasm is optional and not mandatory for procreation. All other reasons are just what you/we make up to ascribe meaning to this act.
No, that is the ultimate reason, not the only reason...
Sex for revenge.
Sex for pleasure.
Sex for hatred.
Sex for money.
Sex for trade.
Sex for biological warfare (sci-fi themes)
Sex for addiction.
Sex for murder.
Sex for friendship.
Sex for self-esteem.
Well, let me re-phrase - That's the only cosmic reason to have SEX.
Humans have learned that SEX can be used as a tool and thus this tool can be used for everything you mentioned and for many other purposes!!!
Look at religion how it is using SEX to have power and control over mass.
SEX will be used for many other purpose in the future that we are unable think today!!!
It's a great tool and every new generation will find new usages.
But what is the use of SEX to nature?
To create archetype!!!
GSE
Yes I agree that the use of sex to nature is for procreating. However, us humans often control and manipulate nature to suit what we want. e.g. we use condoms to prevent spread of sexually transmitted diseases, as well as to prevent procreating... So it's two different things what's defined to benefit nature and defined to benefit humans.
I'm fully in agreement with you just pointing out the distinction.
Fair distinction. Please allow me to elaborate.
Benefit Nature v. Benefit Humans.
I find this distinction philosophically dangerous. Nature must better be defined in order to separate any human perspective. Unfortunately, humans belong to a subset of nature, so anything that benefits humans, by default, benefits nature. How does one define nature? The known universe is perhaps the easiest analogue of nature. More specifically, we could define nature as all living things--not necessarily limited to DNA/RNA-based organisms, but perhaps a broader scope to include any sentient being as well, such as A.I. However, with refinement of the definition of nature, our definition of nature hinders our ability to resolve any benefits to nature.
If nature is the Universe, then it is impossible to accurately describe benefits to a system we do not comprehend. If nature is life, then the difficulties have not been lessened; some organisms survive at the cost of entire species, sometimes ecosystems. This is a very, very complicated argument....
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im sure someone has already said it, but in its most logical form, sex is simply the continuation of the species. i imagine that evolution has caused us to crave sex like we do, because it keeps the human race alive. if we didnt get pleasure out of sex, we would obviously do it way less =D
i do remember reading somewhere that dolphins and humans are the only animals that have sex for pleasure.... weird huh? ;D
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im sure someone has already said it, but in its most logical form, sex is simply the continuation of the species. i imagine that evolution has caused us to crave sex like we do, because it keeps the human race alive. if we didnt get pleasure out of sex, we would obviously do it way less =D
i do remember reading somewhere that dolphins and humans are the only animals that have sex for pleasure.... weird huh? ;D
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and Bonobo monkey's have been shown to have sex for pleasure and even masturbate!
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Cosmic purpose... I don't think I like that term. It could just as easily be that extinction is the cosmic purpose, in the form of entropy.
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im sure someone has already said it, but in its most logical form, sex is simply the continuation of the species. i imagine that evolution has caused us to crave sex like we do, because it keeps the human race alive. if we didnt get pleasure out of sex, we would obviously do it way less =D
i do remember reading somewhere that dolphins and humans are the only animals that have sex for pleasure.... weird huh? ;D
I think you precisely described the cosmic purpose of sex. I thought of this purpose before creating this thread and thus wanted to know what is SEX.
So, the nature keeps the species alive (continuation of species) through creating its own archetype (SEX) and evolution takes over to create varieties for survival of the species.
Since all this tied to one thing that is called the "LIFE". SEX creates life to keep the "LIFE" alive!!! It's a self-replicating mechanism. Now as we know that "LIFE" is a self-sustainable process that it is an interaction of energy and matter to produce certain responses; the primary responses being search for food and procreate when the time is ripe. So, at an empirical level we can say that NO SEX means NO LIFE!!
This would be the psycho-evolutionary explanation of sex. I think you do not think that by accepting this you deny any of the other theories mentioned here, so it's not much of a concluding idea. There are numerous ways to explain why we have sex and therefore it's not a mono-purposeful phenomena.
But I guess, the next big question would be why LIFE and SEX needed at the first place? What is the need of LIFE to nature; to this Universe? Is there is any purpose to it?
Without life there is no nature, without man no universe, without subject there is no object. These exist co-dependently.
I know these questions are big and deserve their own threads. But it's all tied together with SEX!!! Since we are talking about SEX, I thought of throwing these questions to you all who love mental masturbation :) :) :)
I yearn for that a-ha moment in philosophy which can be metaphorised as a rewarding orgasm :DD
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So, you mean the Universe did not exist before life started/arrived on this little planet called "Earth"?
If life is embedded within the universe at a microcosmic level then life began the moment the universe did, as it is not possible for the universe to exist without life. The only difference is the definition of life, which most people assume is confined to higher forms of life.
Solved.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Plz ignore; I simply must sub to any thread about sex & philosophy -- to do otherwise would be almost immoral :)
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Let's discuss....
The more I think about SEX the more puzzled I get. But what I understand with my little knowledge is that it's a process through which a living entity creates its own archetype. It's a vital force of life and quite difficult to ignore.
I wonder how did the heterosexual species first come to know that the penis must throw up in the vagina to create the archetype!!! :) :) :)
Please share your thoughts if the idea is not too repulsive or taboo to you :)
GSE
It is a celebration of life and romantic values. Don't get bogged down in biological features, think about the concepts involved in making a sexual act.
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I feel that everyone participating in this thread should be masturbating to better comprehend the topic at hand.
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getting drunk or stoned preferably both and taking some girl home from bar and having a good time.
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One day I saw conception as a very short summary of the development of humans from its very basic form or organism. Take a look at the spermatozoon, it has tail and pretty much seems like a aquatic organism out in the sea.
Other more geek way to see it is that you are uploading your precious data into a new and fresh hardware.
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Sex is a biological mechanism, which has proven to be pretty effective when it comes to speeding up evolution, compared to simply duplicating yourself. Trying to elevate sex to a philosophical level, doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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Sex is a biological mechanism, which has proven to be pretty effective when it comes to speeding up evolution, compared to simply duplicating yourself. Trying to elevate sex to a philosophical level, doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Most people tend to focus on the physical part because is the tangible part, but believing conception is only biological is the same as believing you are just flesh and bones. There is also a spiritual side that pass on, or do you believe the spiritual side comes down from the skies and enter new born babies?
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hahaha what a thread.
I think Im too tired to even think about this subject, what a mindfuck.
Its (evolutionary) programmed into us to be dumb about sex. Not thinking about what it really is makes reproduction more efficient.
of course.. we are all malfunctioning machines here. thats why these subjects can come up.
Our brains are chemically different than the uninfluenced human brain. so we can think outside the circle.
fuckin weird.
someone in my close social circle is pregnant. And she acts like its a fuckin miracle that never happens... I was like: well.. you got fucked. This is what happens when you get fucked.
and she looks at me like Im revealing the secret of life. (well.. iam... sorta)
Its hardwired into us to be retarded. especially if its about sex.