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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: kingpinirl on May 11, 2013, 08:02 am
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I haven't noticed anyone else bring this up, but I've seen 3 different vendor profiles changed. I listed the wording below, there may be more than 3, I just saw a repeating trend and thought I'd bring it to everyone's attention.
I am not selling poison anymore.
Try to imagine what it is to risk everything to accumulate more than $100,000 worth of product, only to realize how wrong it is, and to flush all that time and effort down the toilet.
If you knew what I know you would not be taking poison anymore. If a poisoner like me can get clean through the grace of God, anyone can. If you think you have done bad things, I have done worse.
Yet when I bit out the flesh of my own wrists and threw myself into a secluded, frozen river, God brought me back from death.
My body was 33 degrees when I was brought unconscious into the hospital.
God has shown me in an unequivocal way that we can be freed from sin and born again through the Son. If you are like I have been, and not among the faithful or the observant, all you need do is pray and God will answer.
I will conclude by saying that you cannot imagine how much better you will feel to be sober. If you are using you are walking a thin line between life and death and your Judgement Day may be close at hand.
Believe me when I say that you do not want to lift up that veil to the other side when your house is not in order. Make haste now so that you may yet learn of true happiness and joy, which is the love and compassion God has for us all.
Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
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The f**k is this s**t?
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The f**k is this s**t?
Not sure, but members with thousands of posts have said erm, w e i r d e r things this week. :-\ Silk Road seems to be going through a phase recently. Hope some sanity comes back soon.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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What vendors are ya talkin about?? I've just had my morning coffee and I'm ready for a good drama! ;D
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The f**k is this s**t?
Not sure, but members with thousands of posts have said erm, w e i r d e r things this week. :-\ Silk Road seems to be going through a phase recently. Hope some sanity comes back soon.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
w e i r d e r ?
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The f**k is this s**t?
Not sure, but members with thousands of posts have said erm, w e i r d e r things this week. :-\ Silk Road seems to be going through a phase recently. Hope some sanity comes back soon.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
w e i r d e r ?
MUCH weirder. :-\
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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I'd like to know about this as well. There are now multiple vendors which are all displaying the same message. Looks like SR vendor accounts have somehow been compromised. Support needs to be looking into this ASAP to see how widespread the damage is. So far from what I've gathered, these are the two accounts which have been hacked:
HiroProtagonist
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/0a4cba6447
Neil Patrick Harris
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/45a7a48db8
Please list any other vendors you see with this message.
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I'd like to know about this as well. There are now multiple vendors which are all displaying the same message. Looks like SR vendor accounts have somehow been compromised. Support needs to be looking into this ASAP to see how widespread the damage is. So far from what I've gathered, these are the two accounts which have been hacked:
HiroProtagonist
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/0a4cba6447
Neil Patrick Harris
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/45a7a48db8
Please list any other vendors you see with this message.
People can't find religion and God without hackers being involved? Quit being so oppressive.
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People can't find religion and God without hackers being involved? Quit being so oppressive.
I think the fact that they are displaying the exact same message is what is spooking people.
Maybe God hacked into their accounts.
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This is strange, I was getting logged out all the time and I was thinking that it was someone else logging into my account. I kept logging in and trying to change my password until I finally managed to do it. After the password was changed I didn't get logged out at all. I was thinking straight away that this was a hack but the forums said it was just a glitch so I left it.
At the same time that this happened there was a few of my orders (domestic) that did not reach the customers. I refunded 100% so Don't go thinking I'm trying to get away with bullshit.
The orders where to different states so it was strange they all went. (these orders did not have encrypted address)
I notice in the log in verification field there was some times only 2 or 3 letters so I didn't enter my password hear again I refreshed the browser. Maybe this was grabbing passwords?
I think there is a big hack going on at the moment.
Something is up. :-\
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People can't find religion and God without hackers being involved? Quit being so oppressive.
I think the fact that they are displaying the exact same message is what is spooking people.
Maybe God hacked into their accounts.
maybe God hacked into their brains.
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People can't find religion and God without hackers being involved? Quit being so oppressive.
I think the fact that they are displaying the exact same message is what is spooking people.
Maybe God hacked into their accounts.
maybe God hacked into their brains.
Brother this is no joke. there are a heap of vendor account hacked and the customer address are going to be compromised if they don't use pgp. I just remembered I also had a customer who sent his address in a private note link and when I went to check it It had been read already. This is a huge concern and all vendors need to change their passwords asap. I'm not trying to spread FUD or anything this is real.
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People can't find religion and God without hackers being involved? Quit being so oppressive.
I think the fact that they are displaying the exact same message is what is spooking people.
Maybe God hacked into their accounts.
maybe God hacked into their brains.
Brother this is no joke. there are a heap of vendor account hacked and the customer address are going to be compromised if they don't use pgp. I just remembered I also had a customer who sent his address in a private note link and when I went to check it It had been read already. This is a huge concern and all vendors need to change their passwords asap. I'm not trying to spread FUD or anything this is real.
Wait - i've only seen two of these particular profile/item changes so far. How many are there?
If you're sure about this, it needs to be addressed by staff - and password changes need to be promoted and encouraged officially like... now.
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People can't find religion and God without hackers being involved? Quit being so oppressive.
I think the fact that they are displaying the exact same message is what is spooking people.
Maybe God hacked into their accounts.
maybe God hacked into their brains.
Brother this is no joke. there are a heap of vendor account hacked and the customer address are going to be compromised if they don't use pgp. I just remembered I also had a customer who sent his address in a private note link and when I went to check it It had been read already. This is a huge concern and all vendors need to change their passwords asap. I'm not trying to spread FUD or anything this is real.
all of my accounts are fine. this isnt real, this is real stupidity. maybe you had javascript turned off? this is just spreading FUD. find anyone that takes security seriously that had their account compromised. yeah, none. this is just stupidity.
also, if these religious accounts were hacked. why haven't the account owners came to the forum and said anything? i have no idea what is up with the religious dealers. it is strange but nobody needs to change their password unless they have been stupid and given it to a phishing site. enough FUD!
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People can't find religion and God without hackers being involved? Quit being so oppressive.
I think the fact that they are displaying the exact same message is what is spooking people.
Maybe God hacked into their accounts.
maybe God hacked into their brains.
Ha ha. That's actually a breath of fresh air to the other hate-filled posts posted in the last 12 hours. +1
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Note also, that Christianized Hiro fellow doesn't have any PGP key listed?
I didn't know that offering PGP was optional for vendors?
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People can't find religion and God without hackers being involved? Quit being so oppressive.
I think the fact that they are displaying the exact same message is what is spooking people.
Maybe God hacked into their accounts.
maybe God hacked into their brains.
Brother this is no joke. there are a heap of vendor account hacked and the customer address are going to be compromised if they don't use pgp. I just remembered I also had a customer who sent his address in a private note link and when I went to check it It had been read already. This is a huge concern and all vendors need to change their passwords asap. I'm not trying to spread FUD or anything this is real.
all of my accounts are fine. this isnt real, this is real stupidity. maybe you had javascript turned off? this is just spreading FUD. find anyone that takes security seriously that had their account compromised. yeah, none. this is just stupidity.
also, if these religious accounts were hacked. why haven't the account owners came to the forum and said anything? i have no idea what is up with the religious dealers. it is strange but nobody needs to change their password unless they have been stupid and given it to a phishing site. enough FUD!
I'm a vendor bro, FUD Fucks my business! I don't spread FUD I am voicing a real concern. You are the one not taking security carefully by trying to dismiss this.
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Note also, that Christianized Hiro fellow doesn't have any PGP key listed?
I didn't know that offering PGP was optional for vendors?
hacked account will have a new pgp key or no key at all because they can't read messages that are encrypted to the original owner.
If you have your vendors key then use it.
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Note also, that Christianized Hiro fellow doesn't have any PGP key listed?
I didn't know that offering PGP was optional for vendors?
He used to have a "normal" profile page with a PGP key. A couple months ago I placed an order with him with my address encrypted with his PGP key and the product arrived as advertised within a few days. It sure seems like he was a legitimate vendor. The fact that NPH (who also appears to have been legitimate in the past) has the same profile page should make it painfully obvious there was a hack. Definitely keep an eye out for a login screen that doesn't look quite right.
edit: Shouldn't SR staff freeze their accounts or something? What if the hacker (if there is one) puts up a fake but legitimate-looking profile page with a new PGP key? He could be collecting addresses. SR staff needs to somehow verify who is controlling the accounts.
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I haven't noticed anyone else bring this up, but I've seen 3 different vendor profiles changed. I listed the wording below, there may be more than 3, I just saw a repeating trend and thought I'd bring it to everyone's attention.
I am not selling poison anymore.
Try to imagine what it is to risk everything to accumulate more than $100,000 worth of product, only to realize how wrong it is, and to flush all that time and effort down the toilet.
If you knew what I know you would not be taking poison anymore. If a poisoner like me can get clean through the grace of God, anyone can. If you think you have done bad things, I have done worse.
Yet when I bit out the flesh of my own wrists and threw myself into a secluded, frozen river, God brought me back from death.
My body was 33 degrees when I was brought unconscious into the hospital.
God has shown me in an unequivocal way that we can be freed from sin and born again through the Son. If you are like I have been, and not among the faithful or the observant, all you need do is pray and God will answer.
I will conclude by saying that you cannot imagine how much better you will feel to be sober. If you are using you are walking a thin line between life and death and your Judgement Day may be close at hand.
Believe me when I say that you do not want to lift up that veil to the other side when your house is not in order. Make haste now so that you may yet learn of true happiness and joy, which is the love and compassion God has for us all.
Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
What is this poison you speak of i havn't came across it it sounds 1 hell of a trip
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This is really unnerving. SR Support should freeze these accounts.
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Note also, that Christianized Hiro fellow doesn't have any PGP key listed?
I didn't know that offering PGP was optional for vendors?
PGP is of course encouraged, but not mandatory. I can tell you as a customer of HiroProtagonist, that I remember he had a problem with his PGP, and it would be a little while before he had a new one. - All that religious stuff, is not him. I've known him for quite a while, and that's just not him. I've reported it, and I'll try an contact him. - Thanks to OP for bringing this to light!
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Hi all,
I was contacted by another member in relation to this thread:
Firstly, no, there is no 'hack' occurring. A small number of vendors have fallen victim to a phishing scam that they (for some OUTRAGEOUS reason) thought it prudent to put their login details and PIN into.
Silk Road will NEVER ask you for your PIN, just as your bank will never ask you for you PIN.
Secondly, any members that did not encrypt their information via PGP and ordered from those vendors have put their information at risk. It is ESSENTIAL that you encrypt your sensitive information so as only your vendor can read it. And I mean ESSENTIAL. Anybody that provided an unencrypted address (and yes, that includes Privnote) should clean house NOW.
A list of the (known) vendors that have been phished:
albionessentialols
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/3193205b49
Tryptonite
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/c584c1342d
Not sure what's going on with the two below, but presume the worst for now:
HiroProtagonist
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/0a4cba6447
Neil Patrick Harris
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/45a7a48db8
Libertas
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Thanks for the clarty
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Any chance this is LE? Of course it's terrible to have your address compromised, but it's unlikely that you're going to get raided by a Ugandan hacker, right?
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Any chance this is LE? Of course it's terrible to have your address compromised, but it's unlikely that you're going to get raided by a Ugandan hacker, right?
Doubtful. There would be no reason for LE to go about removing listings and replacing vendor profiles with this random religious crap - they'd rather gather information about buyers and vendors and make busts. That's just my opinion though!
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Any chance this is LE? Of course it's terrible to have your address compromised, but it's unlikely that you're going to get raided by a Ugandan hacker, right?
It is possible that it is LE, just as it is possible that it is a group of 8 year olds that got lucky with coding. Very unlikely though, as scout has mentioned above.
The fact of the matter is that we will likely never know who it was as there is absolutely no way of finding out.
Libertas
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Any chance this is LE? Of course it's terrible to have your address compromised, but it's unlikely that you're going to get raided by a Ugandan hacker, right?
It is possible that it is LE, just as it is possible that it is a group of 8 year olds that got lucky with coding. Very unlikely though, as scout has mentioned above.
The fact of the matter is that we will likely never know who it was as there is absolutely no way of finding out.
Libertas
yeah, i'm leaning toward it being 8 year olds. possibly 12 year olds.
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Really odd caper here.
I'm trying to 'profile' if you will, the type of person that would do this, and in this particular way.
The whole "found religion, got sober, anti-drug message".
Perhaps someone who is well versed with hacking, used to be an addict, found religion, or went to one of those rehabs that encourage you to "get in touch with your higher power" etc. Now, that they're all "Saved" they feel they have a mission; to punish the big bad drug dealers.
Just a theory.
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Really odd caper here.
I'm trying to 'profile' if you will, the type of person that would do this, and in this particular way.
The whole "found religion, got sober, anti-drug message".
Perhaps someone who is well versed with hacking, used to be an addict, found religion, or went to one of those rehabs that encourage you to "get in touch with your higher power" etc. Now, that they're all "Saved" they feel they have a mission; to punish the big bad drug dealers.
Just a theory.
Even geniuses can be crazy, man. Logic and intellect can only save you from so much insanity before you start believing the voices in your head, I should think.
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Really odd caper here.
I'm trying to 'profile' if you will, the type of person that would do this, and in this particular way.
The whole "found religion, got sober, anti-drug message".
Perhaps someone who is well versed with hacking, used to be an addict, found religion, or went to one of those rehabs that encourage you to "get in touch with your higher power" etc. Now, that they're all "Saved" they feel they have a mission; to punish the big bad drug dealers.
Just a theory.
Even geniuses can be crazy, man. Logic and intellect can only save you from so much insanity before you start believing the voices in your head, I should think.
So very true. +1 :)
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There is a major hack going on, Now i have messaged a mod about this and asked about the relogging in screen and was told that it was safety reduction thing. and a timer logging you out, but a few times i have had the 3 letter code etc and never entered it. Reloaded and was fine.
There have been 6 to my knowledge now vendor accounts that have been hacked. I cant believe it. It's a phishing attack, Ddos and lots of other types at the same time. I reckon it's a government agency as it has been going for weeks now.
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HiroProtagonist's page changed back on May 5, if not earlier. NPH's by May 8th.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=155963.msg1091314#msg1091314
So this has affected only HP and NPH? or at least they're the only two vendors I can find on a search for "hail mary."
If this is a caper, it's a very slow and tiny one, the Speckled Padloper of capers.
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HiroProtagonist's page changed back on May 5, if not earlier. NPH's by May 8th.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=155963.msg1091314#msg1091314
So this has affected only HP and NPH? or at least they're the only two vendors I can find on a search for "hail mary."
If this is a caper, it's a very slow and tiny one, the Speckled Padloper of capers.
I don't know what version of Tor you're using, but as of the 12th day of May 2013, HiroProtagonist's page is still with the whole "Poison, Jesus Christ" page.
Please check for yourself. They have not "changed back". If they did, I would hope they'd offer an explanation. I just checked again, and they haven't changed back. Perhaps you worded that wrong?
Curiouser, and curiouser.
PS. There is also the possibility that HP and NPH are the same people/person, and they just "Got Religion". Yes, sounds preposterous, but I have a little backround info on one of the parties, that I'll keep to myself for now. Suffice it to say, it makes it more plausible, and just in the off chance it turns out to be true. - I told ya so! ;)
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I was kind of suspecting the same thing - that they might be the same person, just two different vendor accounts. Would make more sense than most other possible explanations.
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I don't know what version of Tor you're using, but as of the 12th day of May 2013, HiroProtagonist's page is still with the whole "Poison, Jesus Christ" page.
Please check for yourself. They have not "changed back". If they did, I would hope they'd offer an explanation. I just checked again, and they haven't changed back. Perhaps you worded that wrong?
I think that thyme meant that the vendor account in question was changed to its current state back on May 5th. :P
Libertas
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@Chip Douglas
Sorry, I'm guilty, again, of sloppy writing.
Clarification: "From the information in the linked thread, HP's vendor page was noted by observers to have changed to the HailMary text as of May 5, if not earlier."
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Also, what Scout and Libertas said. :)
One person, two accounts, and one break seems to make the most sense, from the minuscule amount of information available and from my naive perspective.
Not that it matters in terms of compromise, etc., and the need to encrypt.
[But, if it is a true break: good grief, what a horrific experience, to feel one is sending out 'poison' that will harm the recipients - while also knowing it would be dishonorable to not follow through on one's contracts. Poisoner vs thief... lovely choice to have to make, eh? Irreconcilable conflicts don't usually help with stress when there's already a break occurring, I'm guessing.]
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Hi all,
I was contacted by another member in relation to this thread:
Firstly, no, there is no 'hack' occurring. A small number of vendors have fallen victim to a phishing scam that they (for some OUTRAGEOUS reason) thought it prudent to put their login details and PIN into.
Silk Road will NEVER ask you for your PIN, just as your bank will never ask you for you PIN.
Secondly, any members that did not encrypt their information via PGP and ordered from those vendors have put their information at risk. It is ESSENTIAL that you encrypt your sensitive information so as only your vendor can read it. And I mean ESSENTIAL. Anybody that provided an unencrypted address (and yes, that includes Privnote) should clean house NOW.
A list of the (known) vendors that have been phished:
albionessentialols
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/3193205b49
Tryptonite
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/c584c1342d
Not sure what's going on with the two below, but presume the worst for now:
HiroProtagonist
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/0a4cba6447
Neil Patrick Harris
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/45a7a48db8
Libertas
Brother I never went to any phishing sites and used my details. I use the same link that I have saved every time and I use the same comp every time. My password was strong. the second I changed my password I stopped getting logged out all the time. I think if anyone has been getting logged out they have a big problem. There is someone gathering info on your account. Change your password Now.
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As far as I know, neither of these vendors has posted anything on the forums, and currently, both of their last logins were 2 days ago. I think HiroProtagonist must have set up the Neil Patrick Harris again to sell different things without letting anyone know they were the same person. Either way, if this isn't a hack and is serious, take your fucking listings down! Why bother leaving your listings up to put that bullshit in the description, making buyers want to make a purchase then realizing the vendor stopped selling? No point in doing that, it's just annoying.
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I'm not sure why getting logged out only before changing your password is evidence of a hack... things recently changed, but previously you were able to log in to a single account from multiple locations just fine. It didn't log anybody out to log in to the account.
Running a successful business here is a ton of work. It's often divided among several people; it makes it easier if you can deal with customer service and orders simultaneously, etc.
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yeah I got really sus as well with the auto logouts. Although the forums said it was a glitch I got even more sus when a 3 letter/number captcha came up instead of the usual. Entered it once, got an error had to re enter login information again (this time the normal captcha showed); since had TONS of auto log outs for 2-3 days. Changed passwords to a stronger password before making more purchases and it's been all good since then
Regardless I believe after the DDoS, he next step the "hackers" are taking is to phish for accounts. Be very careful. Always PGP encrypt your address. DON'T USE PRIVONTE. DON'T USE CLEARTEXT.
If a vendor insists to use Privnote then politely refuse, "sorry I'm not comfortable with Privnote, it's got known exploits", something along those lines is what I always say. At the end of the day guys we're repsonsible for our own security. THEY will try to do everything they can to get us to lower our guard. Even if it's a TRUSTED vendor, vending for YEARS, DO NOT GET LAX
As advised earlier I'd recommend most if not all to P/C to a stronger PW and be very very careful.
I'm very concerned as I've been messaging some "trusted" vendors from a shill account with encrypted PGP messages. 2 very well known and long time vendors now. One, has taken over 3 days and hasn't bothered to decrypt my message and insists we do everything in cleartext from now on (including addresses). One sent back encrypted messages but not with my public key. When I said, I was getting an error they suggested we use Privnote from now on. I'm not saying all vendors are bad and can't be trusted or anything of the sort. All I'm trying to re-iterate is, BE CAREFUL
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I think there was even some whispers that DPR's account may have been compromised. Regardless I believe after the DDoS, he next step the "hackers" are taking is to phish for accounts.
When in the world were these "whispers" occurring? There was never a time during this DoS attack when DPR's account was EVER compromised. He was here updating everyone throughout the attack and several times posted signed messages.
I don't recall anyone claiming that DPR's account had been compromised during the attacks, and to reiterate, that definitely was never the case.
It's not a good rumor to continue spreading because it never happened - DPR's account was NEVER in ANY WAY compromised during the attacks.
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I never said it was true. :-\
I'll edit the original post. I never meant to spread the rumor but demonstrate how rumors are being created to make people uncertain of SR. From what I've been seeing there has been a very planned and methodical approach to get people to start doubting SR and moving to other markets. However, if people are careful and cautious there is no reason for us to doubt SR or considering moving anywhere if we don't want to.
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However, if people are careful and weary there is no reason for us to go any other market.
That is very true, and the rest of your last post encouraging people to encrypt their information was a great reminder. One of the best ways to approach all of it is to just act as though SR had been compromised already (note: it hasn't been, of course) by encrypting all of your sensitive info and being extra careful. That way, if one day something bad DOES happen, you'll be okay.
:)
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Apologies to Thyme :)
It was late, and I was crashing from an amphetamine fueled work session on a side project of mine, involving survival and "prepping", as some call it.
Seems silly sometimes, but it keeps me out of trouble, and "Hey, ya never know!" ;)
Scout look for a PM from me regarding our Hiro.
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Apologies to Thyme :)
It was late, and I was crashing from an amphetamine fueled work session on a side project of mine, involving survival and "prepping", as some call it.
Seems silly sometimes, but it keeps me out of trouble, and "Hey, ya never know!" ;)
Scout look for a PM from me regarding our Hiro.
Will do, Chip!
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Great thread. Lots of people here have 'lost it' since I been here, eight months. No names, but I can think of two girls and about four guys who have made posts about being in the hospital for some form of mental illness or another. It seems quite a few people here go through this cycle in their posts.
They start out normal and friendly, making regular posts, like how blessed they are about finding the road and such and a flurry of great ideas to make the road better. Then, they get a strange and paranoid tone in their writing. It escalates to some personal posts about their fellings. Then, it's the classic thread title, '" I'm writing from the loony bin" that appears with them posting about their adventure to the hospital. Then, it's usually a post about how they are slowig down on drugs, or "leaving the road" and they are changing and moving on.
It's like Silk Road helps some people to go through these stages and move on with their life? They finally release the burden theyve been carrying around all this time. Whatever it is they come here to find, it seems they find it. It's so nice how people come back and share their experiences , before and after. I'm greatful for many of the stories I read here. Thanks to everyone. Good people Here. Its a very human place.
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My favorite part is the DRUGS! 8)
Something else I've decided to put into my "prepper pack"
A nice supply of amphetamine , is going to come in handy when food becomes scarce! :P
Some of the guys in my "club" are hoarding silver and gold. There's a select few of us in the club, that realize the commodity drugs will be.
It's like a secret club within the secret club. We came to the conclusion, that it's best to store our least favorites along with what we know we'll need.
That way there's less of an urge to "dip in" to the bank, so to speak.
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My favorite part is the DRUGS! 8)
Something else I've decided to put into my "prepper pack"
A nice supply of amphetamine , is going to come in handy when food becomes scarce! :P
Some of the guys in my "club" are hoarding silver and gold. There's a select few of us in the club, that realize the commodity drugs will be.
It's like a secret club within the secret club. We came to the conclusion, that it's best to store our least favorites along with what we know we'll need.
That way there's less of an urge to "dip in" to the bank, so to speak.
you plan to become a drug dealer when the SHTF?
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you plan to become a drug dealer when the SHTF?
Well IF the SHTF, I plan to have something to barter with besides gold coins and silver pellets! - Having a rare commodity is what it's all about!
It's really just a hobby, though some of the guys would give me a lecture if they heard me with that "Devil may care" attitude.
They can tub their gold together all they want, but when someone want's a pain to go away, or some speed for energy (and to deal with hunger), guess who's gonna be popular?
I'm sure some will want to get high once in a while to forget about the whole apocalypse thing ;D
Let's put it this way, I'd rather be prepared, and not ever need to be, than need to be prepared, not having done anything to prepare.
I don't expect to live forever, but the idea is to get past the rough parts, after the roaming starving zombies have either dropped dead or been shot!
Then there will be some settling down, and a new civilization will begin.
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you plan to become a drug dealer when the SHTF?
Well IF the SHTF, I plan to have something to barter with besides gold coins and silver pellets! - Having a rare commodity is what it's all about!
It's really just a hobby, though some of the guys would give me a lecture if they heard me with that "Devil may care" attitude.
They can tub their gold together all they want, but when someone want's a pain to go away, or some speed for energy (and to deal with hunger), guess who's gonna be popular?
I'm sure some will want to get high once in a while to forget about the whole apocalypse thing ;D
Let's put it this way, I'd rather be prepared, and not ever need to be, than need to be prepared, not having done anything to prepare.
I don't expect to live forever, but the idea is to get past the rough parts, after the roaming starving zombies have either dropped dead or been shot!
Then there will be some settling down, and a new civilization will begin.
I brew and bottle wine as a hobby and for if SHTF. Alcohol will be a nice commodity too, and useful. I used to make moonshine but that is more involved and illegal so now I just stick to wine.
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I brew and bottle wine as a hobby and for if SHTF. Alcohol will be a nice commodity too, and useful. I used to make moonshine but that is more involved and illegal so now I just stick to wine.
Illegal? How horrible! ;) Just funny to hear someone worry about that on here.
Since discovering SR, and other pretty fucking cool Onion sites (not Atlantis-they are scumbags)-There's some good ones for preppers. Also militaery/survivalist ones.
So wine huh? - We could use a winemaker. If you can handle extreme Northern winters, let me know! - I get $ for recruiting members. More $ for ones with something unique to offer. ;)
I don't even think doing illegal things as bad, since becoming more libertarian minded. I mean I'm careful, I realize the consequences still apply to me. I just don't feel bad about breaking the law. As long as it's nothing immoral, (I know that's a relative term-to some) but you know, you're not hurting anyone, not taking advantage of someone. No children involved, etc.
When I see our 'so called' leaders committing crimes everyday, and getting away with it. I figure, why the fuck should I follow these laws. (other than the jail thing).
I'm happy to see Obama finally being found for the scumbag I always knew he was. Illegal wiretapping? Using the IRS to hassle political enemies? The whole Benghazi cover up? Well that last one I knew would come back to haunt him. They just did that because his re-election was 2 months away. These are more than allegations. The news is pouring out of everywhere from people who were audited and harassed by the IRS. Not just politicians either. I heard a call in show and there were people who owned businesses, but happened to put their political beliefs on display. (Liberals hate free speech), Wiretapping the Associated Press workers and reporters? These people were part of the liberal media helping Obama, ignoring any negative stories too!
Well, it's nice to finally be vindicated, especially to people I chat with at the local coffee shop, where they were all "low information voters". You KNOW I say "I told ya so" each time I see one of them! :D
Well think about it. We could use a winery in our camp. Knowledge off firearms is a plus! But we have great teachers.
Well I gotta go. My turn for guard duty tonight, and I got a 7 hour drive ahead of me. Then I gotta switch cars, etc etc.